**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jan 24 02:59:58 2020 Jan 24 08:25:39 davedoom: You're trying to make a backup with SP flash tool? (which instructions?) Jan 24 10:16:35 NM I was trying to flash the cosmo. An incredibly stupid error. I figured it out before it was too late. Jan 24 14:52:33 finally got an e-mail from dpdlocal Jan 24 14:53:12 i backed in nov 5 2018 Jan 24 15:36:58 what is the status of buster on the gemini? Jan 24 16:25:55 akik: same here, backed Nov 5, received yesterday Jan 24 16:27:04 i think you're from finland :) Jan 24 16:29:06 rasva means grease in finnish Jan 24 17:01:53 akik: I know :) Jan 24 17:03:15 are you from czech? Jan 24 17:04:13 i worked for nokia from 1998 to 2008 Jan 24 17:04:20 and in 2010 Jan 24 17:05:20 i remember in 2007 that i made a decision to always use a qwerty phone Jan 24 17:06:12 I noticed my Cosmo front display turn on with the "hello" message by itself. It was fully powered off and sitting on my desk. Jan 24 17:06:14 i'm using a blackberry priv now but its keyboard is shit Jan 24 17:06:21 I wonder if it "wakes up" every once in a while for some reason Jan 24 17:06:58 Coincidentally I had turned on my Gemini nearby -- wonder if it "knows" some near-field crap influence or something Jan 24 17:07:11 NFC or Bluetooth, whatever. Jan 24 17:07:17 Just a guess. Jan 24 17:29:59 akik: yes, czech. Jan 24 17:30:46 I started with HTC universal, and since then most of my phones had some sort of hw keyboard Jan 24 17:34:06 my first qwerty was maybe nokia 6881 Jan 24 17:34:51 then e70, e71, e72, htc desire z Jan 24 17:35:09 samsung had a couple Jan 24 17:35:49 moto droid 4 Jan 24 17:38:33 it's quite amazing what planet has accomplished Jan 24 17:39:00 sold my gemini to my brother Jan 24 17:55:07 I am far from giving up my Gemini, Cosmo is stuck at V16, cannot update, no root, bad touchscreen sensitivity... Jan 24 17:55:13 stil a way to go Jan 24 18:07:43 btw, anyone have a link or zip file with Cosmo OTA update version 19? Jan 24 18:09:50 or is there a separate cosmo channel? I havent been here for some time Jan 24 18:51:55 rasva: Have you seen https://www.facebook.com/groups/1774620199505688/?ref=bookmarks Jan 24 19:00:21 My cosmo has been on a shelf since I got it Jan 24 19:00:31 They have to catch up before I even bother with it Jan 24 19:23:12 Steve-Goodey: yes, I am there as well Jan 24 19:44:43 Xperia Mini Pro remains the best phone I've ever used Jan 24 19:45:33 I've gone through about half a dozen of the things, but they're a bit long in the tooth now Jan 24 19:47:25 and the price of used ones in reasonable condition is going up - I guess supply is dwindling faster than the number of people willing to use a vintage 2011 phone in exchange for the best mobile keyboard experience ever Jan 24 19:49:31 Cosmo is great, and very typeable, but its mandatory two-handed ergonomics and bricklike size and weight put it a solid second place to the erstwhile Xperia Mini Pro Jan 24 19:55:52 it's more or less a slightly smaller, lighter N900 with an extra row of keys and double the RAM Jan 24 20:05:12 what's the software on that Xperia Mini Pro? Jan 24 20:07:12 folks from PinePhone talk about making a keyboard variant Jan 24 20:08:08 a drastically slower SoC than MT6797X, but with sane software Jan 24 20:09:52 a ridiculous pile of blobs with a hacked-up chroot on top makes hardware specs mean nothing -- PinePhone is mainstreamed Jan 24 20:10:54 dTal: I have Xperia Pro (which is the bigger version of Mini Pro) with Sailfish OS Jan 24 20:11:44 you used to be able to download Sailfish for the Mini Pro but the links are all dead now Jan 24 20:12:30 the kernel github is still up so you could probably build a halium kernel yourself with a lot of work, but so far I haven't been arsed Jan 24 20:12:31 dTal: I provide images (I did the sailfish port for the 2011 xperias) Jan 24 20:12:38 ! Jan 24 20:12:39 *I can provide images Jan 24 20:12:52 oh my lord yes please Jan 24 20:13:09 which reminds me that I should build latest sailfish for those Jan 24 20:13:22 also I need to find out a new place for the images Jan 24 20:14:42 kilobyte: agreed that Android is a waste of good hardware, which is currently the same problem as with the Cosmo - but nevertheless, the hardware *is* good Jan 24 20:15:06 I was actually thinking of using a Halium kernel and trying to get a stock Debian phone going on one Jan 24 20:16:11 there's a lot of movement in this space that would be fun to stay on top of - we have the Pine projects, and the Pyra, and the Cosmo, and I think a few other I've forgotten, all wanting a phone stack running on top of normal desktop GNU/Linux Jan 24 20:18:02 I have been also helping a bit with mainline kernel porting for fairphone 2, it has many things working already Jan 24 20:20:33 mal: it would be good to have build instructions for the Halium kernel for Xperias as well Jan 24 20:21:23 I suppose it's straightforward for an expert.... Jan 24 20:23:14 dTal: I can try to build the new sailfish images for 2011 xperias, not sure if I have time but I can try to make time this weekend, I think new image wouldn't be too difficult, only one a bit difficult part, patching telephony middleware to get mobile data working Jan 24 20:24:49 That would be so, so cool Jan 24 20:25:37 do you have hosting space? I'd happily pay for some hosting, to return the favour :) Jan 24 20:26:51 or set up a server if the traffic's not too high, I have a pro bono colocation unit sitting unused somewhere Jan 24 20:26:52 I have my own private server at home with 100/100 MB/s connection, not sure if my service provider allows having a server which shared big files Jan 24 20:32:17 I probably can use that as long as I make sure nothing indexes it to prevent any excess data transfers, I have been using that to give images sometimes Jan 24 20:44:53 you can use transfer.sh web site to share files Jan 24 20:54:18 Hi guys. I'm contemplating an idea. I have a raspberry pi setup in a cupboard. It hosts my mail and has been running flawlessly for years. It is a bit slow so I am thinking of replacing it. Jan 24 20:54:42 I have the gemini which sadly has been sitting on a corner of my desk for a year or more. Jan 24 20:54:59 I want to press the gemini into service as my mail server/ media PC. Jan 24 20:55:42 This sounds like a cool way to use existing hardware to do something fun but the problem is the actual hardware. Jan 24 20:56:14 I can plug the power into the left hand side, but then I get to plug only one thing into the right hand side. Jan 24 20:56:41 I have a bluetooth keyboard and mouse but I need to use the right hand plug for the hdmi cable. Jan 24 20:56:54 So I don't have a place to plug in ethernet. Jan 24 20:58:18 this is what I am thinking of: It looks like HDMI cables since 2009 support Ethernet over a side channel. Can I use a splitter to run an Ethernet cable off the hdmi and still run my projector? Jan 24 20:58:24 If so how do I do that? Jan 25 00:06:06 davedoom - is it absolutely necessary to have the direct display? Maybe just SSH into it or somesuch thing? Jan 25 00:06:18 Set it up, then go headless Jan 25 01:36:17 I'm thinking it over. The thing is that the Raspberry pi works great right now. I don't want to go with less functionality. Besides I can get a pi4 for like 80 euros. Jan 25 01:37:34 Also, running a mail server on a machine with outdated kernel with ton of security bugs and a 3MLoC horrid patch and likely outdated userspace, sounds like a bad idea Jan 25 01:39:00 rasva: ahoj Jan 25 01:40:06 davedoom: get an alix from pcengines or something like that? Jan 25 01:42:39 It's debian. I updated it today. Jan 25 01:43:41 The kernel? Heh, no Jan 25 01:45:00 Userspace, yep, running on kernel which is completely unsuitable Jan 25 01:45:58 As for the HDMI / Ethernet, I think you need a mux chip for that on both ends Jan 25 01:47:29 The SoC in gemini doesn't have an Ethernet mac, so you would need extra one to feed this mux chip Jan 25 01:49:00 You might be able to somehow use the usbc with displaylink and USB Ethernet via hub , but that might suck **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jan 25 02:59:59 2020