**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jan 28 02:59:57 2020 Jan 28 08:44:14 davedoom: "can someone put that link in the welcome thing for the irc channel?" What was the link again? :) Jan 28 08:48:10 VartiWork: i think he meant the cosmo update link at oesf Jan 28 08:53:31 I hope this will do, otherwise I'll see how to add that as a greeting message for the channel Jan 28 09:00:50 It would be useful if we had a wiki to put howtos on. I've noticed that there's a mediawiki installation on oesf, but that one's empty. The gemian wiki on github is meant for gemian stuff, so I'd hesitate to put android things on there. But maybe I missed something that already exists. Jan 28 09:02:59 is that github wiki thing free? Jan 28 09:03:15 seems to be just the place to do it Jan 28 09:06:35 github wikis are tied to repositories and I don't know/have a fitting repository for that. There's also sites like wikihow, wikibooks and other stuff we could use Jan 28 09:08:10 I'm mainly thinking about putting the lab-notes about rooting into a more digestable form, since it's not becoming obsolete as quickly as I had anticipated. The manual upgrade howto would also be a good thing to have on a wiki rather than on a forum. Jan 28 09:09:16 TauPand: I'd love to have a Gemini/Cosmo wiki on the forum, and that was a long time project of mine Jan 28 09:10:00 TauPand: the reason why the wiki is empty is that so far I have not found the time to organize it Jan 28 09:11:01 if you'd be willing to help me with that, I'd be more than grateful... what's missing is a well thought template to organise all the information Jan 28 09:14:34 we already have an old wiki, devoted to the Sharp Zaurus, but it wasn't well planned and at the end it became a mess: http://www.oesf.org/old_wiki/ (note that it takes a lot of time to load) Jan 28 09:17:30 what I could do now is to update that MediaWiki installation to the latest version, and register you as a contributor, we might start with a simple frontpage with some useful info (like the ones you mentioned) Jan 28 09:17:51 let me know if you're interested and I'll today work on this Jan 28 09:22:29 I'll need to think about this. Jan 28 09:24:44 * TauPand thinks about all the wikis becoming messy that he's witnessed so far. Jan 28 09:25:27 Maybe there's something more lightweight. Like a gist on github. Especially since the rooting howto in particular will have an expiry date and the general points are covered elsewhere. Jan 28 09:29:31 ideally, IMHO it would be better to have all the info in one place, i.e. on OESF. We don't have to use MediaWiki, we can install any other type of wiki we might find easier to use, providing that our server meets the minimum requirements Jan 28 09:41:52 * VartiWork is taking a look at DokuWiki templates: https://www.dokuwiki.org/Template Jan 28 09:43:05 Hm, I don't mind mediawiki in particular. I'm just not sure if I can help with organizing the wiki. Would it be ok if I just write the howto as soon as you get around to doing the things you deem necessary before that? Jan 28 09:48:54 yes, that will do Jan 28 09:50:32 I'll try my best to keep all the info there organized, I hope that we will get again a messy wiki :) but having a working wiki is a priority now Jan 28 09:51:02 I'll get in touch with you as soon as I have everything setup... thanks for your help! Jan 28 10:06:42 When I touch or see things, I'll follow the scout rule, so things don't get too messy too quickly! I feel that is a good general rule for wikis. Jan 28 10:13:03 Blimey it is slow. Could I add that you need to be careful of spammers. It can soon get overtaken unless you're careful. Jan 28 10:16:33 I'm a member of mythtv wiki and new registrations have been removed because of spammers. Jan 28 11:06:17 yes, it is too slow, need to fix this first Jan 28 11:09:03 this mediawiki installation has just one user and only the main page, but the older one has thousands of spambots registered in and many spam pages, so this might cause it to be slow even if it is not accessing the same tables Jan 28 11:09:55 I'll get rid of the old tables and see if it makes any speed difference Jan 28 11:18:29 can I suggest a capcha or better yet ... tell people to ask for the secret word here in IRC. Jan 28 11:19:51 Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious but backwords and in pig latin ;-) Jan 28 11:21:53 Haha. Jan 28 11:28:41 I like the question captcha the best, seems to be the one of the most secure around, provided that you keep changing the questions list once in a while Jan 28 11:29:41 for the wiki, I guess I'll just keep the registrations closed at first, and accept registration requests on the forum Jan 28 11:42:09 Some people don't like to use irc. I personally overlooked the forum registration requirement, but that may have just been me being sloppy or something. Jan 28 11:53:28 I can recommend dokuwiki as well Jan 28 12:03:08 It's probably the best if VartiWork makes the technical pick of a wiki engine, since it has to be something he's comfortable with for the near future. Wiki Syntax is usually similar across wikis and getting used to a slightly different syntax is usually not too much effort. The real challenge in any wiki is moderation, which is why I'm afraid I'm currently not really up to that task. :-\ Jan 28 12:09:57 yep, I agreew Jan 28 12:10:00 agree Jan 28 15:11:47 The whole flashing process seems cumbersome to me. I'm not familiar with what "Scatter" files are, or any of that. Most firmware updates I do are from some arbitrary binary blob, not a bunch of files. Jan 28 15:12:02 I guess I"ll wait for an actual explainer before I eagerly brick my Cosmo Jan 28 15:12:35 And this is coming from a guy that shoehorned Android 7 on an old Samsung S3 and it works fine Jan 28 15:12:45 That was an adventure. Jan 28 15:13:52 I started to do this manual flash process but stopped when I realized the scatter file included in the zip file was not going to work with the image. I think I need a deep dive into scatter files before I try again. Jan 28 15:34:54 ok, I have done some tests to see if the tables of the old wiki have any impact on the loading times of the new wiki Jan 28 15:37:11 I have done a copy of the new wiki using a separate db without any of the old wiki tables, and I see an improvement, 35s for the initial page vs. 5s, although you need some retries for the first result, probably because the page is cached somewhere Jan 28 15:37:45 https://www.oesf.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page is on the new, cleaned up database Jan 28 15:37:54 https://www.oesf.org/wiki_slow/index.php/Main_Page is on the old Jan 28 17:27:09 my cosmo front camera had turned on somehow. is there some key that starts it? Jan 28 17:35:11 it's not in the manual Jan 28 17:38:18 can I get write access to the wiki? Jan 28 17:46:08 i had the cosmo in the package and it was getting warm with the camera open Jan 28 19:00:54 davedoom: if you mean the quick tutorial I posted, then you must use the scatter file from the link I mentioned, not the one from inside the zip file Jan 28 19:01:06 I think I will edit the post a bit... Jan 28 21:55:55 and, in fact, the solution with the scatter file + binaries for every partition is much more fail-prove. Jan 28 21:56:19 than have some sort of one binary blob Jan 28 21:56:36 the scatter file is like the partition table Jan 28 21:56:41 exactly Jan 28 23:29:42 Which opens itself up to confusion and easier bricking Jan 28 23:30:08 Unless someone posts a meticulous step-by-step, I'm doomed Jan 28 23:30:23 Not just "grab whatever here and okay go" **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jan 29 02:59:57 2020