**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Nov 11 03:02:41 2020 Nov 11 03:15:48 <@_telegram_1149248913:hacklab.fi> > Forwarded from 窦玮焦: Nov 11 03:15:49 > > TG群发,私聊,在线,增粉;三万优质中文群全网监听服务限时特价;需要请咨询 Nov 11 03:15:49 /report Nov 11 05:18:07 <@_telegram_234006496:hacklab.fi> > Forwarded from 窦玮焦: Nov 11 05:18:08 > > TG群发,私聊,在线,增粉;三万优质中文群全网监听服务限时特价;需要请咨询 Nov 11 05:18:08 /fban spam Nov 11 09:41:27 hauska Nov 11 09:49:38 <@_telegram_250862569:hacklab.fi> I need a little terminal so I freed the cosmo from the confines of my desk drawer. Nov 11 09:49:56 <@_telegram_250862569:hacklab.fi> I saw somewhere that we can now use the little shitty display as a trackpad Nov 11 09:50:25 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> Not yet, coming soon^tm Nov 11 09:50:28 <@_telegram_250862569:hacklab.fi> Where can I find info on how to enable that? I flashed the latest KDE using the cusom installation and did an apt update Nov 11 09:50:30 <@_telegram_250862569:hacklab.fi> oh rly? Nov 11 09:50:33 <@_telegram_250862569:hacklab.fi> christ Nov 11 09:50:37 <@_telegram_792211460:hacklab.fi> > I saw somewhere that we can now use the little shitty display as a trackpad Nov 11 09:50:37 it was a while ago NotKit posted an image Nov 11 09:50:41 <@_telegram_155078070:hacklab.fi> The front cover display you mean? Yes. Nov 11 09:50:56 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> Front isn't really shitty Nov 11 09:51:24 <@_telegram_250862569:hacklab.fi> motherf@ckers teasing sh!t all the time Nov 11 09:51:32 <@_telegram_250862569:hacklab.fi> I tyhink it is Nov 11 09:51:41 <@_telegram_250862569:hacklab.fi> but that's just preference Nov 11 09:51:43 <@_telegram_792211460:hacklab.fi> @YvesVLB oh, if you arespeaking about gemian - i donoknow. I think it is not public yet. Nov 11 09:52:01 <@_telegram_250862569:hacklab.fi> Yeh the default gemian Nov 11 09:52:05 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> Oh well, front can be used as relative trackpad since gemini Nov 11 09:52:21 <@_telegram_792211460:hacklab.fi> > Oh well, front can be used as relative trackpad since gemini Nov 11 09:52:21 first time I here that Nov 11 09:52:29 <@_telegram_792211460:hacklab.fi> * first time I hear that Nov 11 09:52:30 <@_telegram_21747166:hacklab.fi> http://support.planetcom.co.uk/index.php?title=Linux_for_Cosmo&type=revision&diff=824&oldid=822 Nov 11 09:53:01 <@_telegram_250862569:hacklab.fi> yeh,.. wouldn't that have gotten more coverage and why would they post a video a while back toutioing the trackpad as the new best thing since sliced bread Nov 11 09:53:18 <@_telegram_250862569:hacklab.fi> lemme check that Nov 11 09:53:33 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> There's a thread on oesf, double clicking or click and drag is a pain, but otherwise works quite well Nov 11 09:54:08 <@_telegram_155078070:hacklab.fi> > Oh well, front can be used as relative trackpad since gemini Nov 11 09:54:08 Just wish they'd make it the default or at least easy to switch. on small screens with chubby fingers it is hard to be precise Nov 11 09:54:13 <@_telegram_792211460:hacklab.fi> > There's a thread on oesf, double clicking or click and drag is a pain, but otherwise works quite well Nov 11 09:54:13 could you maybe share the url pls? Nov 11 09:56:54 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> Search is useless on oesf, go cosmo-linux, thread 'Right-click' Nov 11 09:57:12 <@_telegram_792211460:hacklab.fi> > Search is useless on oesf, go cosmo-linux, thread 'Right-click' Nov 11 09:57:12 ok, thx Nov 11 09:57:15 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> Second post has link to gemini subforum Nov 11 09:57:25 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> With how to set it up Nov 11 09:57:52 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> Oh waiy that link is no longer working lol Nov 11 09:58:00 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> Oesf is a bit of a mess Nov 11 09:58:02 <@_telegram_792211460:hacklab.fi> any way with that crap reg bluetooth and sim0 for data it is a half-usable os Nov 11 09:58:39 <@_telegram_792211460:hacklab.fi> > Oh waiy that link is no longer working lol Nov 11 09:58:39 I think + know what are you talking about. I will figure it out. Nov 11 09:58:52 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> Geminipda-linux, last thread touchscreen as touchpad relative mouse input Nov 11 09:59:38 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> Currently last threas on first page at least, that previous thread had some info on getting it working specifically for cosmo Nov 11 09:59:43 <@_telegram_792211460:hacklab.fi> > Geminipda-linux, last thread touchscreen as touchpad relative mouse input Nov 11 09:59:43 yeah. I did it. I thought you were referring to CODI as a touchscreen. Nov 11 10:00:51 <@_telegram_792211460:hacklab.fi> > Currently last threas on first page at least, that previous thread had some info on getting it working specifically for cosmo Nov 11 10:00:51 to be honest it is better then direct touch gemian has by default. at least I can see where I am pointing. so yeah Nov 11 10:01:59 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> Well yeah, and even with that huge space accuracy is an issue, cover will be probably even less useful considering its size Nov 11 10:02:30 <@_telegram_250862569:hacklab.fi> ah ok Nov 11 10:02:35 <@_telegram_250862569:hacklab.fi> well Nov 11 10:02:46 <@_telegram_250862569:hacklab.fi> its a mobile ssh terminal at best this thing :) Nov 11 10:02:48 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> (you either swipe 5-10 times to move half a screen, or overshoot everything if you dial it up to 11) Nov 11 10:06:25 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> It is probably the best ssh terminal Nov 11 10:06:37 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> Pocketable at least Nov 11 10:07:15 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> With sfos it's also great for developing/testing on device Nov 11 10:09:39 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> You can add landscape mode to your app yourself etc, no need for third parties Nov 11 10:10:04 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> Not sure why ubports version of reddit client uses resources and puts qml in the binary Nov 11 10:10:15 <@_telegram_250862569:hacklab.fi> so Nov 11 10:10:28 <@_telegram_250862569:hacklab.fi> I just completly reinstalled the kde dist Nov 11 10:10:44 <@_telegram_250862569:hacklab.fi> and a apt get update spews out a buch of invalid repo's Nov 11 10:11:07 <@_telegram_250862569:hacklab.fi> seems that some are no longer to be found Nov 11 10:11:27 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> Maybe the v1? Though don't think urls changed Nov 11 10:11:28 <@_telegram_250862569:hacklab.fi> You gotta be a right muppet to pre order that astro glide Nov 11 10:11:33 <@_telegram_250862569:hacklab.fi> v2 Nov 11 10:12:09 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> Did that recently as tweaking sfos broke keyboard in gemian, everything worked fine, interesting Nov 11 10:12:39 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> Maybe v3 is upon us Nov 11 10:13:39 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> Yeah, astro is a gamble as they delivered less alternative systems than with gemini with cosmo, maybe it will be android only Nov 11 10:17:00 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> Seems that fxtec is where it's at with proper lineageos support and xda thingie, shame its keyboard is shit Nov 11 10:21:02 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> Would be interesting if planet somehow cooperated with fxtec, their hw with fxtec soc and dev support would be a killer Nov 11 10:22:27 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> Now you have to choose good keyboard with no dev support vs n900 level keyboard and proper dev community Nov 11 10:33:02 <@_telegram_701506086:hacklab.fi> have they even said whether the astro will support other OS's? with the cosmo it was right there in the tagline but i dont think it was for the astro Nov 11 10:33:29 <@_telegram_101151514:hacklab.fi> I think it was stated at IGG campaign at least Nov 11 10:33:37 <@_telegram_701506086:hacklab.fi> ahh Nov 11 10:34:06 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> It was stated with cosmo, now it's efforts of foss community, but we never provided the sources lel Nov 11 10:37:21 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> @NotKit any chance the android base will be published for cosmo? They can't really claim: it's up to you open source community keeping all sources closed Nov 11 10:38:30 <@_telegram_101151514:hacklab.fi> it's a problem that Planet doesn't own it Nov 11 10:39:04 <@_telegram_101151514:hacklab.fi> for Sailfish at least, it can build on top of LineageOS sources, I want to put the repos, but didn't get to it yet Nov 11 10:41:07 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> Any way to dockerize your setup or would this also be mtk infringinf? Nov 11 10:43:04 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> The preview is so close to being perfectlt usable... Just a couple defconfigs and some keyboard hack and planet is silent... And just no way to even tinker with it is... Ehh Nov 11 12:51:58 <@_telegram_792211460:hacklab.fi> > @NotKit any chance the android base will be published for cosmo? They can't really claim: it's up to you open source community keeping all sources closed Nov 11 12:51:58 yes, as NotKit noted android sources are provided with the platform by ODM. AND more over MTK restricts redistribution of any kind. So there is no hope to see any at least in a meaningful time Nov 11 12:53:03 <@_telegram_101151514:hacklab.fi> it's not much MTK as opposed to ODM fearing their code/"secrets" will be used by competitors Nov 11 12:53:29 <@_telegram_101151514:hacklab.fi> * it's not much MTK as opposed to ODMs fearing their code/"secrets" will be used by competitors Nov 11 13:32:54 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> What secrets are there in base source of cosmo android? Not even audio balancer made it which is supposedly standard on Pie and cosmo has apparently huge issues with speaker balancing (won't fix by planet lel) Nov 11 13:38:37 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> @NotKit would it be maybe possible to setup your setup as a CI, that would just accept a defconfig variable, not give any source access and just spit out a kernel/rootfs? Nov 11 13:39:09 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> This way no ODM could.complain about source leakage and we could tinker on sfos as the irc guys suggest? Nov 11 13:39:26 <@_telegram_101151514:hacklab.fi> > for Sailfish at least, it can build on top of LineageOS sources, I want to put the repos, but didn't get to it yet Nov 11 13:39:26 ^ Nov 11 13:39:58 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> Ok I guess that will be better, sorry Nov 11 13:40:32 <@_telegram_565620682:hacklab.fi> im feeling extra fussy this morning Nov 11 13:40:41 <@_telegram_565620682:hacklab.fi> good morning ladies and gentlemen Nov 11 13:40:56 <@_telegram_565620682:hacklab.fi> devs and flashers Nov 11 13:41:01 <@_telegram_565620682:hacklab.fi> gamers and grandmas Nov 11 13:41:03 <@_telegram_565620682:hacklab.fi> :) Nov 11 13:46:22 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> In any case if someone needs a 3.2.1 build of an app from open repos in the meanwhile, I managed to get a gitlab generic sfos builder running and works... 80% of the time without hitches so far (and 20% with nasty hacks but still) Nov 11 13:47:18 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> i think even whisperfish alpha could run (then again it is using some edgy rust implementation, no idea) Nov 11 13:47:24 <@_telegram_565620682:hacklab.fi> have any license holders tried cosmo SFos with the dalvik RPMs from the 8.x android compatibility stack? Nov 11 13:47:47 <@_telegram_565620682:hacklab.fi> i know on other snapdragons it works Nov 11 13:47:50 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> Won't work Nov 11 13:47:59 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> Sfos dalvik is vey heavily hw and kernel dependent Nov 11 13:48:05 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> Very* Nov 11 13:48:47 <@_telegram_565620682:hacklab.fi> have you already tried it? Nov 11 13:49:36 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> As you said on snapdragon you might be able to run it (buggily if nit exact same chip) Nov 11 13:49:43 <@_telegram_565620682:hacklab.fi> I've seen some interesting reports, and while i know the snapdragon family is generally a unified arch, its interesting to see the SD630 build working with snap 835s Nov 11 13:49:52 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> On mtk? Pretty much no wai Nov 11 13:50:00 <@varti:matrix.org> > Oh waiy that link is no longer working lol Nov 11 13:50:00 I have fixed the link in that thread, anyway this is the link: https://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?topic=35185.0 Nov 11 13:50:05 <@_telegram_565620682:hacklab.fi> well i was trying to get some details as to what makes it work Nov 11 13:50:14 <@_telegram_565620682:hacklab.fi> if its based on the underlying halium Nov 11 13:50:22 <@_telegram_565620682:hacklab.fi> or if its doing something else entirely self contained Nov 11 13:50:35 <@_telegram_565620682:hacklab.fi> no one i've talked to has any real understanding of the architecture Nov 11 13:51:40 <@_telegram_565620682:hacklab.fi> if it is indeed tied to very specific elements of the SoC then that would be a shame Nov 11 13:52:25 <@_telegram_565620682:hacklab.fi> certainly means jolla will never officially support more than 1 or 2 current gen officially supported devices Nov 11 13:52:27 <@_telegram_101151514:hacklab.fi> > In any case if someone needs a 3.2.1 build of an app from open repos in the meanwhile, I managed to get a gitlab generic sfos builder running and works... 80% of the time without hitches so far (and 20% with nasty hacks but still) Nov 11 13:52:27 GitLab builder for apps? Nov 11 13:52:30 <@_telegram_565620682:hacklab.fi> and their adoption rate is quite slow Nov 11 13:52:43 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> It's a hybris for android pretty much, not just linux interfaces, trying to emulate android Nov 11 13:52:50 <@varti:matrix.org> in general, all the thread links on OESF in older posts need to be fixed, since they use the syntax of the old forum... I have seen that at least the thread indexes match, I need to figure out how do the links to the single posts are formatted Nov 11 13:53:16 <@varti:matrix.org> I'll fix this in the next days, and try to improve the search tool too Nov 11 13:53:55 <@varti:matrix.org> notice that there's an advanced search too, you can reach it by searching for an empty field Nov 11 13:55:35 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> > GitLab builder for apps? Nov 11 13:55:35 Yeah, it just basically downloads coderus docker, theb executes git clone of a sfos app and mb2 to make rpms and drops.them.as artifacts Nov 11 13:56:53 <@_telegram_565620682:hacklab.fi> well, im teetering back and forth on buying an XA2 just for a solid working sailfish device Nov 11 13:56:54 <@_telegram_565620682:hacklab.fi> they're cheap enough Nov 11 13:57:22 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> It's just reworked yml that was for a single app to accept url and appname, still bit buggy mb2 doesn't like .qmake.config's for example, but for other apps it compiles nicely Nov 11 13:57:23 <@_telegram_565620682:hacklab.fi> and i figure i'll get some good use out of it, plus paying the license should net me access to the rpms for use on the pro 1x when it ships Nov 11 13:58:55 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> > GitLab builder for apps? Nov 11 13:58:55 Example of a build shoukd be public https://gitlab.com/szopin/sfos-builder/-/jobs/842111506 Nov 11 13:59:44 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> You can rerun the pipeline with any proper git url and package name and it will.spit out rpms Nov 11 13:59:59 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> Or need some slight tweaks Nov 11 14:03:18 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> .qmake.conf is not well handled by mb2 with subprojects, but a hacky way is to add cp *.conf to each subdir in the yml, ugly as heck but no need to wait to get home to try a fix, coderus is a genius Nov 11 14:14:15 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> Pure qml apps work out of the box (or at least 10/10 so far), communi is a hell even on sfos.sdk it had problems (on windows symlinking is an issue, mb2 has its own) but you can pretty much take any openrepos app and recompile Nov 11 14:15:12 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> No idea why ubports enforces resource usage, less of a tinkering platform, not really.any security.reason to censor your users Nov 11 14:16:37 <@_telegram_991509486:hacklab.fi> Or maybe it's not enforced and only that one ubports openrepos clone has it, retarded still for qml based platforms Nov 11 14:17:11 <@_telegram_101151514:hacklab.fi> > No idea why ubports enforces resource usage, less of a tinkering platform, not really.any security.reason to censor your users Nov 11 14:17:11 I don't think it enforces that, just the way apps are built Nov 11 16:05:49 <@TauPan:matrix.org> Hm, I can't help but notice that the last message Sami Olmari has seen on matrix is the last message that has been synced to irc. Something broken on the same host? Nov 11 16:06:29 <@TauPan:matrix.org> Hm, that isn't correct. Looks like it's my matrix plugin for weechat. Sorry. Nov 11 16:08:35 <@TauPan:matrix.org> (/matrix reconnect matrix_org gave me a second buffer that was properly synced... sorry for the noise) Nov 11 16:57:56 cos: does hemppa or "arcusbot" has ever bneen registered to FN? Nov 11 16:58:22 if not, that is exact same issue that we generally hit Nov 11 16:59:05 well, "etymology" aside, from tech standpoint it would be at least limit in matrixorg provided FN-bridge, anyways Nov 11 16:59:48 <@cos:hacklab.fi> Sami Olmari: nope Nov 11 17:01:19 cos: then "matrix-matrix bridge" as it does does not worn either, similarly like any non-regged and otherwise blocked users... regging is easy enough, login with bots credetial to matrix and talk to appservice provider like any FN registation would go Nov 11 17:01:49 (FN bridge, thing that keeps on giving I guess...) Nov 11 17:01:51 <@cos:hacklab.fi> argh.. can't it be disabled by channel ops? Nov 11 17:02:37 I think FN bridge nowadays just doe snot allow anything but registered users, that is what I've gathered in recent'ish time Nov 11 17:02:59 so no channel op anywhere can likely do anything about that Nov 11 17:04:04 ..we can talk specific details elsewhere too, but for irc-bridging as-is, such need to be done for this kind of doohickey to work Nov 11 17:05:41 <@cos:hacklab.fi> If it's true, i'd be ready to drop freenode support completely. Bridge it to IRCNet or some other network without ridiculous rules. I think IRC users are quite small minority nowadays anyway. Nov 11 17:14:34 Generally true, ultimately bridges are meant to bring common folks together, FN - matrixorg relationship tends to make it harder and harder nowadays anyhow... Nov 11 17:15:14 For other bots elsewhere I've regged nick way before things were issue, for the bot exactly is has been working too :) Nov 11 17:28:52 <@cos:hacklab.fi> Folks at #irc:matrix.org say there's no such limitation on the bridge, it's a channel mode issue if it requires a regged nick. Nov 11 17:30:23 okay then... different times, different answers I guess (: Nov 11 17:31:18 modes were listed on some channel some days ago when we triaged this, we could dig those and see Nov 11 17:34:38 <@cos:hacklab.fi> Related: https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-appservice-irc/wiki/End-user-FAQ#i-am-a-chanop-and-have-a-spam-problem-how-can-i-fix-it-without-affecting-matrix-users Nov 11 17:39:35 yep, also discussed and linked back then.. anyway, wil ltry to look the message in some time (million things at the same time) Nov 11 19:39:26 <@_telegram_101151514:hacklab.fi> > for Sailfish at least, it can build on top of LineageOS sources, I want to put the repos, but didn't get to it yet Nov 11 19:39:26 https://github.com/Sailfish-on-Cosmo-Communicator/android_device_planet_cosmocom + https://github.com/gemian/cosmo-linux-kernel-4.4/commits/ubports Nov 11 19:41:15 <@_telegram_101151514:hacklab.fi> would be nice to automate building droid-hal packages on some CI later on, but GitLab probably does not offer enough disk space, GitHub Actions may work **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Nov 12 02:59:56 2020