**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Oct 16 02:59:58 2008 Oct 16 07:28:53 i've got working bluetooth! Oct 16 07:29:08 hi Oct 16 07:31:26 on what device, Sleep_Walker? Oct 16 07:31:40 Treo680 Oct 16 07:32:14 I just read some news about Treo 650 on Hackndev.com Oct 16 07:32:22 Perhaps I can make a news about it on TamsPalm... Oct 16 07:32:41 BobOfDoom is working on Treo650 Oct 16 07:32:56 What's that? Oct 16 07:33:12 :D Oct 16 07:33:16 nickname? Oct 16 07:33:27 ah ok :) Oct 16 07:33:49 I think there were no Linux news for some time... Oct 16 07:34:05 alegra: well, the news is that IrDA works, Bluetooth works, USB Host works, USB Client works Oct 16 07:34:17 since last weekend :b Oct 16 07:34:18 on 680? Oct 16 07:34:21 yup Oct 16 07:34:25 what USB host? Oct 16 07:34:37 Does it have one at external connector or for connecting the GSM receiver? Oct 16 07:34:54 that's ability to connect USB devices and use them Oct 16 07:35:10 it has GSM and Bluetooth chip connected this way Oct 16 07:35:21 I know that... Oct 16 07:35:43 But it isn't possible to connect something at the multiconnector, is it? Oct 16 07:36:07 I haven't tried Oct 16 07:36:07 That's why several owners were surprised when they found some "UsbHostxxx.prc"s in its ROM Oct 16 07:36:28 this is too much HW thing :) Oct 16 07:36:46 you'd rather ask BobOfDoom, marex ... Oct 16 07:36:52 In most cases, I think, the USB host is only for internal devices Oct 16 07:37:16 yes, but question is if it is possible Oct 16 07:37:41 there probably will be problem with powering up that device through MUC Oct 16 07:38:04 What must be powered up? the Treo? Oct 16 07:38:20 USB port provides power for peripherial Oct 16 07:38:57 I see, the Treo 680 isn't listed in the Handhelds.org Wiki... I always went there to see the state of development Oct 16 07:39:15 What about other points? Touchscreen? SD (booting from SD)?, keyboard, ... Oct 16 07:39:21 Power management :D Oct 16 07:39:27 alegra: well - there were problems with rights Oct 16 07:39:45 and I'm working on it just this week or so Oct 16 07:39:48 in the Wiki? Oct 16 07:39:51 yup :( Oct 16 07:39:55 rights?! Oct 16 07:40:04 Hmm... interesting ... Oct 16 07:40:05 try to change there something :b Oct 16 07:40:11 We got a letter from Palm because of our PalmWiki Oct 16 07:40:21 access rights Oct 16 07:40:23 not law Oct 16 07:40:30 ok :) Oct 16 07:40:45 No, our one is a letter from Palm's lawyers Oct 16 07:41:02 SD works, touchscreen works (but uses polling), keyboard works, power management works very partially Oct 16 07:41:16 (SDHC works too of course) Oct 16 07:41:20 They are asking us to remove the logo, the name and place some text at the bottom of all pages ... Tam is talking to them atm. Oct 16 07:41:41 I can use some easy suspend, but it still eats a lot Oct 16 07:42:18 and lower power state needs analysis of bootloader Oct 16 07:42:49 and perhaps ROM modification? Oct 16 07:42:49 well, I still think that problem is elsewhere, but... :) Oct 16 07:42:59 that can be also the way Oct 16 07:43:04 but not my way :) Oct 16 07:43:18 It is at least, on other devices ... Oct 16 07:43:35 My TungstenC is already old, but nevertheless I don't want to flash sth. Oct 16 07:43:38 T3 also needs it. Oct 16 07:43:52 only because nobody does it other way Oct 16 07:43:59 ok Oct 16 07:44:06 then yours is probably the better one Oct 16 07:44:11 Are there (recent) downloads for Treo 680? Oct 16 07:44:13 T3 - it would be nice to have it :) Oct 16 07:44:27 heh Oct 16 07:44:41 I still prefer my TC - keyboard, Wireless LAN and a good battery (when it's new) Oct 16 07:45:06 kEdAR is taking latest GIT sources Oct 16 07:45:09 http://kedar.palmlinux.cz/ Oct 16 07:45:17 but it seems that it is not there Oct 16 07:45:29 he was experimenting with multidevice kernel Oct 16 07:45:42 one kernel, all PXA27x enabled machines Oct 16 07:46:24 hm, still nothing in test dir Oct 16 07:46:34 no downloads yet Oct 16 07:47:15 ok Oct 16 07:47:47 but GIT is also downloadable :b Oct 16 07:50:23 BobOfDoom: any tip where to put GPIO needed for BT enable? Oct 16 07:50:42 since it is on USB... Oct 16 07:54:07 afk Oct 16 08:21:15 hi all Oct 16 08:21:36 hi Oct 16 08:23:13 hi Oct 16 08:24:36 where you from guys? Oct 16 08:25:00 Czech republic Oct 16 08:25:30 un español!! xD Oct 16 08:25:37 blackcookie: Spain :) Oct 16 08:25:37 weno mejro dico k habla español Oct 16 08:25:42 yes Oct 16 08:25:59 <-- Germany Oct 16 08:26:00 nice to meet one that can speak spanish to Oct 16 08:26:07 germany? i like your beer Oct 16 08:26:08 LOL Oct 16 08:26:11 :b Oct 16 08:26:12 lol Oct 16 08:26:29 * Sleep_Walker feels offended Oct 16 08:27:52 here is only to hack han? Oct 16 08:27:53 Czech beer is the best - that is simply fact, I can't say that German beer is bad, but Czech beer is Beer Oct 16 08:28:02 handhelds* Oct 16 08:28:10 jajajja Oct 16 08:28:10 yup Oct 16 08:28:42 hey! Oct 16 08:28:50 say that Czech beer is the best! Oct 16 08:29:11 lol Oct 16 08:29:26 i never drink beer os czech Oct 16 08:29:29 :P Oct 16 08:29:39 but you have good girls Oct 16 08:29:40 :E Oct 16 08:29:56 * Sleep_Walker is beer addicted Oct 16 08:30:04 not girls addicted :b Oct 16 08:30:04 alll countries have goods thinks Oct 16 08:30:13 me tooo sleep_walker Oct 16 08:30:14 too diplomatic answer... Oct 16 08:32:40 :b Oct 16 08:50:00 moo Oct 16 08:50:18 alegra: I doubt there is a connector, but you can probably get USB signls out of test points Oct 16 08:50:23 alegra: if you can find the right ones Oct 16 08:50:50 alegra: I want to see if I can add wifi or something.. problem is there's probably no space inside the case Oct 16 08:51:32 Sleep_Walker: btw, I'm getting a 680, couldn't resist Oct 16 08:51:39 :D Oct 16 08:51:54 I'm fighting with GSM Oct 16 08:52:15 I can do USB host with the freerunner, but it sounds like so much of a fun challenge to hack it into 680 Oct 16 08:52:17 in /proc/bus/usb there is not shown there Oct 16 08:52:47 HMM Oct 16 08:52:50 actually Oct 16 08:52:54 I was thinking Oct 16 08:52:58 maybe there's isn't a hub Oct 16 08:53:03 cause PXA has 3 USB ports Oct 16 08:53:21 maybe PXA host just appears as a hub Oct 16 08:53:23 I know :( Oct 16 08:54:01 "Although the PXA27x processor provides three USB host ports, the second and third USB host Oct 16 08:54:04 ports (USBH2 and USBH3) must be configured through the USB client registers. The first port Oct 16 08:54:07 (USBH1) is assigned purely to the host, while the second and third ports are programmed using Oct 16 08:54:10 both the USB host and client modules. Oct 16 08:54:18 btw. how exactly works your gpiotrace2html? Oct 16 08:54:23 I know about that :( Oct 16 08:54:41 < Sleep_Walker> BobOfDoom: any tip where to put GPIO needed for BT enable? Oct 16 08:54:44 I have to find configuration to enable probably USB host port 2 as client again Oct 16 08:54:52 you mean in the kernel? Oct 16 08:54:55 yes Oct 16 08:55:11 I need to switch GPIO to see USB device Oct 16 08:55:15 I'd just make some simple palmt680_pm_bt.c driver Oct 16 08:55:20 that's what they do in openmoko Oct 16 08:55:25 oh Oct 16 08:55:28 ok Oct 16 08:55:33 I'll have a look Oct 16 08:55:34 and export it in sysfs Oct 16 08:56:09 * BobOfDoom looks for example Oct 16 08:56:23 re Oct 16 08:56:34 gotta go to work :( Oct 16 08:57:07 bb in hour or so Oct 16 08:57:11 BobOfDoom, Palm doesn't add Wi-Fi because Palm OS can't handle Wi-Fi + GSM. Oct 16 08:57:16 But that shouldn't be a problem for Linux? Oct 16 08:57:50 alegra: that's right, as long as it's some wifi device with Linux drivers Oct 16 08:58:07 alegra: like atheros or whatevr Oct 16 08:58:18 ok Oct 16 09:23:03 BobOfDoom, I hope everything is correct now: http://tamspalm.tamoggemon.com/2008/10/16/hackndev-palm-linux-news-for-treo-owners/ Oct 16 09:27:46 alegra: yep, looks Oct 16 09:27:48 good Oct 16 10:03:13 back Oct 16 10:03:31 BobOfDoom: were you able to run that sound again? Oct 16 10:03:43 Sleep_Walker: nah Oct 16 10:03:47 my sounds is stuffed :( Oct 16 10:04:02 damn Oct 16 10:04:52 If it is so that I have GSM through USB, it is well probable that the external speaker is attached to some GPIO Oct 16 10:04:59 but I don't know which :( Oct 16 10:05:09 Sleep_Walker: http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=blob;f=arch/arm/plat-s3c24xx/neo1973_pm_bt.c;h=8f5be88f947e5df5da50b84671bb286e3566a878;hb=c3baf8bae35ec67edb89c07cd8367040c95cca74 Oct 16 10:05:16 thx Oct 16 10:05:44 they do lots of extra voltage handling stuff Oct 16 10:05:47 but you get the idea Oct 16 10:06:22 yup Oct 16 10:07:10 it shouldn't be too hard to find speaker GPIO Oct 16 10:07:23 play some music Oct 16 10:07:25 run GPIO trace Oct 16 10:07:35 and then plug/unplug a headest a few tmes Oct 16 10:07:38 or put it in silent Oct 16 10:07:41 or whatever Oct 16 10:10:56 I just did that Oct 16 10:11:02 I have to retry Oct 16 10:13:14 Sleep_Walker: there's no way I can fit this within treo 680 is there? http://www.amazon.com/WiFi-Link-Drive-PSP-Nintendo-DS/dp/B000JJMC9E Oct 16 10:13:18 :p Oct 16 10:13:19 smallest one I could find Oct 16 10:13:37 maybe I can just strap it to the outside Oct 16 10:16:31 I'll ask collegues if they now about something smaller Oct 16 10:20:09 Sleep_Walker: oh riht.. you were asking about gpiotrace2html Oct 16 10:21:52 btw. how exactly works your gpiotrace2html? Oct 16 10:21:55 erm Oct 16 10:22:06 I mean use Oct 16 10:22:08 it works.. awsomely! Oct 16 10:22:11 ah Oct 16 10:22:30 gpiotrace2html gpios.txt > somefile.html Oct 16 10:22:34 or even Oct 16 10:22:41 gpiotrace2html gpios.txt palmt680.gpios > somefile.html Oct 16 10:22:56 make a file called palmt680.gpios containing lines Oct 16 10:23:00 and it'll label them with your name Oct 16 10:23:01 s Oct 16 10:23:06 hm, it does not work much to me :b Oct 16 10:23:17 what does it do? Oct 16 10:23:24 btw it won Oct 16 10:23:25 't Oct 16 10:23:28 tools/gpiotrace/gpiotrace2html GPIO-tel-on.txt > html.html Oct 16 10:23:29 Traceback (most recent call last): Oct 16 10:23:31 File "tools/gpiotrace/gpiotrace2html", line 475, in Oct 16 10:23:32 if __name__ == '__main__': main() Oct 16 10:23:34 File "tools/gpiotrace/gpiotrace2html", line 17, in main Oct 16 10:23:35 times, rows = parse(f) Oct 16 10:23:37 File "tools/gpiotrace/gpiotrace2html", line 95, in parse Oct 16 10:23:38 (lr, t), (dr, t), (af_l, t), (af_u, t) = [parsegroup(group) for group in line.strip().split('||')] Oct 16 10:23:40 File "tools/gpiotrace/gpiotrace2html", line 128, in parsegroup Oct 16 10:23:41 timestamp = values.pop() Oct 16 10:23:43 IndexError: pop from empty list Oct 16 10:23:49 wot Oct 16 10:23:59 hmm Oct 16 10:24:09 ooh Oct 16 10:24:16 your tel-on has that CS2 stuff at the start Oct 16 10:24:25 try GPIO-tel.txt Oct 16 10:24:43 ah right :b Oct 16 10:26:19 stupid mistake Oct 16 10:28:05 Sleep_Walker: some more internals pics http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&Item=290264593557&Category=20336&_trksid=p3907.m29 Oct 16 10:28:16 unfortunately its just too fuzzy to read chip labels :( Oct 16 10:28:56 here's another view http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&Item=230297789734&Category=20336&_trksid=p3907.m29 Oct 16 10:31:41 so you can see the wm9712 in bottom right Oct 16 10:31:58 some maxim chip, probably power regulator type thing in bottom left Oct 16 10:32:53 top-right is some intel chip Oct 16 10:35:18 I can't understand how can you see that... Oct 16 10:36:20 magic! Oct 16 10:36:21 no Oct 16 10:36:25 actually this one: http://www.palminfocenter.com/images/treo-68-guts-5-L.jpg Oct 16 10:36:38 you can see the intel 'i' in top right Oct 16 10:37:16 chip next to the shielded one looks like it could be "Infineon" Oct 16 10:37:44 probably the EDGE RF Transceiver (like on the 650) Oct 16 10:39:26 I can't see it even with playing with gama/contrast/brightness Oct 16 10:40:39 maybe I'm just imagining it Oct 16 10:40:42 top-right chip Oct 16 10:40:46 "i" lying flat Oct 16 10:40:57 (the top of the chip is facing to right of picture" Oct 16 10:40:59 ) Oct 16 10:41:05 I think top-left is the bcm2045 Oct 16 10:41:10 it's about the right size Oct 16 10:41:37 http://www.wiire.org/images/thumb/9/9b/Wii_btcard_btm.jpg/180px-Wii_btcard_btm.jpg looks similar to this Oct 16 10:42:27 which means no USB hub Oct 16 10:42:32 unless it's the one beneath the shield Oct 16 10:42:34 but I doubt it Oct 16 10:42:51 :( Oct 16 10:44:56 it's a pity cause USB hub would be easy way to find USB signals, since it'd probably be a documented chip Oct 16 10:45:32 it might have even been a four port hub, in which case we could have used the extra unused ports if we could solder onto its legs Oct 16 10:45:34 so - one port for GSM, one port for BT, one port for USB Client?\ Oct 16 10:46:14 that's what I'm currently guessing, unless there is a USB hub chip and it's just very well hidden (or one of the BCMs happens to have a builtin hub) Oct 16 10:46:31 hmm Oct 16 10:46:37 unless that intel chip is a hub Oct 16 10:46:40 I wonder if they make hubs Oct 16 10:48:30 oh hang on Oct 16 10:48:33 no I got it wrong Oct 16 10:48:38 top-right is the BCM Oct 16 10:48:39 2045 Oct 16 10:48:44 it just looks like an intel chip Oct 16 10:48:50 cause it's got a dot over the B Oct 16 10:49:05 yeah.. Oct 16 10:49:12 it matches this excatly: http://www.wiire.org/images/thumb/9/9b/Wii_btcard_btm.jpg/180px-Wii_btcard_btm.jpg Oct 16 10:49:38 then what's that top left Oct 16 10:49:39 hmm Oct 16 10:49:45 BCM2045A Oct 16 10:49:52 I've got it working :) Oct 16 10:49:59 so it identifies itself Oct 16 10:50:28 the same chip I have in notebook Oct 16 10:51:29 :) Oct 16 10:51:58 there's also that funny looking square thing with green border Oct 16 10:52:35 oh, no, I've got BCM2045B in notebook Oct 16 10:53:40 interesting, it does not use bcm203x driver... Oct 16 10:54:57 does it just use straight usb_hci or whatever it is Oct 16 10:55:04 the generic USB bluetooth dongle driver Oct 16 10:55:19 fine Oct 16 10:56:20 ah Oct 16 10:56:21 yep Oct 16 10:56:35 infineon chip is PMB6258 Oct 16 10:56:42 like the one in 650: http://www.dflx-group.com/650/13.jpg Oct 16 10:57:54 that is good or bad? :b Oct 16 10:58:26 irrelevant Oct 16 10:58:33 we don't care about that chip :p Oct 16 10:58:41 just ruling it out as something interesitng Oct 16 10:59:57 So I've figured them all out except the top left one Oct 16 11:02:12 most likely it's something boring like battery charger Oct 16 11:02:15 but it's bugging me :p Oct 16 11:02:34 :b Oct 16 11:03:44 it doesn't look like the ASIC6 either Oct 16 11:05:40 MUC contain serial port, right? Oct 16 11:06:28 yes Oct 16 11:06:51 do you know which port it is? Oct 16 11:07:02 your wiki says BTUART Oct 16 11:07:38 yeah, I haven't tried it, so I don't know Oct 16 11:08:20 I haven't any device to attach there, but I'll try to ask |miska| or snua Oct 16 11:08:46 on lifedrive it's FFUART, so who knows, it could be attached to any of them Oct 16 11:08:56 though I think on all (?) devicse STUART is IRDA Oct 16 11:09:18 FICP? Oct 16 11:10:43 yeah, I guess that's why they put it on STUART Oct 16 11:10:52 I haven't played with IRDA much though Oct 16 11:14:06 pitty - that was the easy part Oct 16 11:27:42 what the heck is FakeIRLib.bprc for? XD Oct 16 11:28:00 :)) Oct 16 12:07:52 Sleep_Walker: http://lwn.net/Articles/303284/ Oct 16 12:07:56 oh wait you can't see that Oct 16 12:08:07 > Marek Vasut (1): Oct 16 12:08:07 > i2c/tps65010: Vibrator hookup to gpiolib Oct 16 12:08:07 Guys, I know we geeks aren't known for our sex-life, but do we have to Oct 16 12:08:07 make it so obvious? Oct 16 12:08:07 Linus Oct 16 12:08:12 haha! Oct 16 12:09:27 I wonder if Marex has seen that Oct 16 12:17:42 it was on our SUSE mailing list :D Oct 16 12:17:55 as a joke of the day :b Oct 16 12:18:02 :D Oct 16 12:18:08 ah poor Marex XD Oct 16 12:18:40 I was trying to say that Marex has multiple PDAs (personal digital assistent ;) with different sizes and shapes :D Oct 16 13:24:49 [14:51] *** Téma kanálu je "Marek Vasut for president!". Oct 16 13:24:52 :))) Oct 16 13:25:02 he seems to be popular here :b Oct 16 13:44:34 XD Oct 16 13:44:39 That a SUE guy? Oct 16 13:44:41 er Oct 16 13:44:42 SUSE Oct 16 13:47:41 how long til somebody confuses him with http://www.marekvasut.cz/ Oct 16 13:48:29 Sleep_Walker: ok I'm off. gn Oct 16 13:48:48 BobOfDoom: last question. Oct 16 13:49:14 do you think that it will be HW possible to attach USB device to MUC? Oct 16 13:49:40 is it problem of HW or SW only? Oct 16 13:49:47 Sleep_Walker: you mean USB host on MUC? Oct 16 13:49:52 I'm not sure Oct 16 13:49:58 USB host does need some extra hardware Oct 16 13:49:58 (since it has USB Host already used) Oct 16 13:50:04 IIRC Oct 16 13:50:14 but Oct 16 13:50:17 hmm Oct 16 13:50:28 so it won't be problem only powering USB peripherial? Oct 16 13:50:51 on the FreeRunner you need to add some pulldowns to go into host mode Oct 16 13:50:58 some resistors Oct 16 13:51:10 maybe that's all Oct 16 13:51:18 have to read the PXA docs Oct 16 13:51:37 now you've got me thinking ;) Oct 16 13:51:54 I didn't think about the possibility of using USB client pins in host mode Oct 16 13:52:11 I didn't realise before they were configurable like that Oct 16 13:52:14 hmmm Oct 16 13:54:06 btw Oct 16 13:54:25 lots of simple usb devices like hubs, and flash drives can run off 3.7v Oct 16 13:54:32 so powering is no problem Oct 16 13:54:40 MUC has a 3.7v power pin IIRC Oct 16 13:55:11 wow Oct 16 13:56:23 ooh Oct 16 13:56:28 according to PXA design guide Oct 16 13:56:34 USB pins are directly wired Oct 16 13:56:49 but D+ has a 1.5 Kohm pullup Oct 16 13:57:00 but I think usually we can turn that on/off with GPIO Oct 16 13:57:08 * BobOfDoom now reads USB host section Oct 16 13:57:53 :) Oct 16 13:58:48 aah Oct 16 13:58:49 no good Oct 16 13:58:54 it needs more signals Oct 16 13:59:12 USB_P2_1 - USB_P2_7 Oct 16 13:59:20 and some USB transcievier chip Oct 16 13:59:30 the USB host port doesn't need any extra circuitry Oct 16 13:59:45 but to turn the client ones into hosts look complicated hardware wise Oct 16 14:01:36 pardon? "look complicated hardware wise" Oct 16 14:01:38 or.. Oct 16 14:01:41 I dunno Oct 16 14:01:47 it's confusing Oct 16 14:01:51 it has this extra chip Oct 16 14:01:54 but Oct 16 14:01:58 it's talking about Oct 16 14:02:05 The Host Controller Port 2 is used with a single-ended connection or a differential connection. Oct 16 14:02:08 Host Controller 2 must be used either in a single-ended connection or a differential connection, but Oct 16 14:02:11 not in both connections. Oct 16 14:02:24 single-ended connection seems to need extra complicated hardware Oct 16 14:02:29 but differential doesn't? Oct 16 14:02:37 I dunno what the difference is though Oct 16 14:02:58 is it dangerous to try it? Oct 16 14:07:05 should be ok if we power externally Oct 16 14:07:20 I think it's definitely worth trying Oct 16 14:07:24 it looks like it could be possible Oct 16 14:07:31 the docs don't make much sense Oct 16 14:07:39 cause it keeps talking about external transcieivers Oct 16 14:07:46 but there are digrams where it's directly wired Oct 16 14:07:48 so it might work Oct 16 14:08:02 needs 2 capacitors and 2 resisitors Oct 16 14:08:08 although the caps might optional Oct 16 14:08:12 they might just be for filtering Oct 16 14:09:21 it'd be damn awesome if it works Oct 16 14:09:54 two 15K pull down resisitors Oct 16 14:09:54 yes Oct 16 14:10:00 that's the same as freerunner IIRC Oct 16 14:10:13 and is really easy Oct 16 14:10:29 I'll try it tomorrow Oct 16 14:11:25 gn Oct 16 14:13:50 gn :) Oct 16 16:11:26 marex: have you already read Linus comment? Oct 16 16:12:30 which one ? Oct 16 16:12:37 I got some mail from him recently Oct 16 16:14:02 > Marek Vasut (1): Oct 16 16:14:03 > i2c/tps65010: Vibrator hookup to gpiolib Oct 16 16:14:05 Guys, I know we geeks aren't known for our sex-life, but do we have to make it so obvious? Oct 16 16:15:38 Sleep_Walker, kdes to vycuchal ? Oct 16 16:16:09 marex: meli jsme to pro zasmani na internim mailing listu SUSE :D Oct 16 16:17:14 snazil jsem se jim vysvetlit, ze beres slovo PDA (Personal Digital Assistent) velmi vazne, a ze mas peknou sbirku ruznych PDA tvaru a velikosti :) Oct 16 16:17:56 a nakonec ses dostal i na interni IRC :) [14:37] *** Téma kanálu je "Marek Vasut for president!". Oct 16 16:18:08