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Oct 24 06:37:09 <Sleep_Walker> oh
Oct 24 06:37:20 <Sleep_Walker> standby mode is very battery draining
Oct 24 08:10:49 <slapin> Hi, all!
Oct 24 08:11:00 <slapin> anybody being lazy today?
Oct 24 08:11:03 <Sleep_Walker> hi slapin!
Oct 24 08:11:13 * Sleep_Walker is not lazy much
Oct 24 08:11:29 <Sleep_Walker> I just reflashed that crippled Treo 650 to start play with a bit :)
Oct 24 08:19:41 <slapin> cool
Oct 24 10:28:43 * |miska| is lazy today :-B
Oct 24 10:29:23 <fdv__> any news for PalmTX?
Oct 24 10:29:52 <fdv__> about wi-fi
Oct 24 10:37:30 <BobOfDoom> isn't wifi working?
Oct 24 10:37:52 <BobOfDoom> ah
Oct 24 10:38:00 <BobOfDoom> firmware doesn't load
Oct 24 10:42:05 <fdv__> can you give me direct link to an ISO image for TX?
Oct 24 10:42:25 <fdv__> may be I use old version
Oct 24 10:43:07 <BobOfDoom> ISO?  I didn't think the TX had a cd drive..
Oct 24 10:43:23 <BobOfDoom> http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~miska/
Oct 24 10:43:31 <BobOfDoom> btw, i don't have a TX
Oct 24 10:43:44 <BobOfDoom> |miska| is the one to talk to
Oct 24 10:43:54 <fdv__> ISO not only for CD
Oct 24 10:44:07 <fdv__> thanks
Oct 24 10:45:12 <BobOfDoom> true... ISO actually standards for International Standards Organization :)
Oct 24 10:45:22 <fdv__> :))
Oct 24 10:48:22 <|miska|> fdv__: wifi can be sometimes somehow used with vanilla kernel
Oct 24 10:49:00 <|miska|> It's on the testing page, cause it isn't stable yet...
Oct 24 10:49:11 <fdv__> I need to compile it by myself?
Oct 24 10:49:56 <|miska|> no, you can try binary package, but I'm not sure if it will boot currently...
Oct 24 10:50:02 <|miska|> I need to update it
Oct 24 10:51:38 <fdv__> good. thanks
Oct 24 10:52:11 <|miska|> Well, I'll try to do something with it during this weekend
Oct 24 10:52:20 <fdv__> without wi-fi it not complete device
Oct 24 10:53:16 <|miska|> Well, currently only options are quite stable without wifi or wifi without nearly anything else :-D
Oct 24 10:53:32 <|miska|> And wifi with some problems
Oct 24 10:54:00 <fdv__> maybe
Oct 24 10:54:50 * fdv__ will be back later
Oct 24 11:15:37 <Sleep_Walker> BobOfDoom: setting GPIO10 to FFDCD cause 'Cannot open /dev/ttyS0!' :/
Oct 24 11:15:56 <Sleep_Walker> it is not set to any AFN in PalmOS - so who knows :/
Oct 24 11:16:47 <BobOfDoom> mm
Oct 24 11:18:03 <BobOfDoom> okay, rasters happy with minicom
Oct 24 11:18:10 <BobOfDoom> now back to debugging cocoboot on 680
Oct 24 11:18:27 <Sleep_Walker> you're debugging it? great!
Oct 24 11:18:40 <Sleep_Walker> I won't disturb you then :b
Oct 24 11:18:45 <BobOfDoom> I haven't had a single boot so far :p
Oct 24 11:18:53 <Sleep_Walker> wow
Oct 24 11:19:05 <Sleep_Walker> maybe I should send you my kernel
Oct 24 11:19:28 <Sleep_Walker> to remove kernel site problems
Oct 24 11:19:28 <BobOfDoom> but my cocoboot build was broken.. the machine id was getting corrupt, and it was affecting 650 as well
Oct 24 11:19:38 <BobOfDoom> no idea why thats happening
Oct 24 11:19:44 <BobOfDoom> James Mckenzie
Oct 24 11:19:50 <BobOfDoom> who did the initial port to 650
Oct 24 11:19:59 <BobOfDoom> I mean inital cocoboot prot
Oct 24 11:20:07 <BobOfDoom> put some comments in there mentioning too
Oct 24 11:20:18 <BobOfDoom> I jsut added some extra padding bytes
Oct 24 11:20:22 <BobOfDoom> cause I can't figure out what's going on
Oct 24 11:20:43 <BobOfDoom> maybe it's some DMA or random hardware going spastic when we disable interrupts
Oct 24 11:20:52 <BobOfDoom> I dunno
Oct 24 11:30:50 <BobOfDoom> hmm
Oct 24 11:30:56 <BobOfDoom> it's dying in linux land
Oct 24 11:31:02 <BobOfDoom> Sleep_Walker: yeah could you post a zImage?
Oct 24 11:31:14 <BobOfDoom> just to check whether my kernel is broken
Oct 24 11:34:11 <BobOfDoom> hmmm... my 680 kernel works on the 650.. (although the screen is all demented and red)
Oct 24 11:39:59 <Sleep_Walker> BobOfDoom: http://sleepwalker.hackndev.com/kernel/
Oct 24 11:40:21 <Sleep_Walker> adapted k27x experimental of kEdAR
Oct 24 11:40:30 <Sleep_Walker> kernel my own
Oct 24 11:40:41 <Sleep_Walker> there should be also support for T650
Oct 24 11:41:08 <BobOfDoom> thanks
Oct 24 11:44:54 <BobOfDoom> ooh it works
Oct 24 11:45:56 <BobOfDoom> now just gotta make it know the right amount of RAM
Oct 24 11:46:41 <Sleep_Walker> BobOfDoom: there is some problem when compiling Treo680 kernel without Treo650 kernel
Oct 24 11:47:50 <BobOfDoom> I was actually trying with 2.6.27 which was probably part of the problem :p
Oct 24 11:47:59 <Sleep_Walker> :b
Oct 24 11:49:40 <BobOfDoom> man.. that flap on the SD card slot on the 680 is so annoying
Oct 24 11:49:47 <BobOfDoom> makes it a pain to swap cards
Oct 24 11:50:41 <Sleep_Walker> BobOfDoom: heh, yeah
Oct 24 11:50:51 <Sleep_Walker> I think it will be the first thing to break
Oct 24 11:51:01 <Sleep_Walker> when compiling 50x times a day
Oct 24 11:52:02 * BobOfDoom tapes it back out of the way :D
Oct 24 11:52:16 <BobOfDoom> i should have thought of doing that before
Oct 24 11:52:20 <BobOfDoom> yay
Oct 24 11:53:36 <BobOfDoom> GRRRR
Oct 24 11:53:40 <BobOfDoom> mach_num is still being eaten
Oct 24 11:54:35 <BobOfDoom> hmm
Oct 24 11:54:42 <BobOfDoom> the only thing being written is the kernel
Oct 24 11:54:47 <BobOfDoom> maybe the kernel is overwriting it
Oct 24 11:55:00 <BobOfDoom> in that case.. I just need to shift it somewhere safer
Oct 24 12:06:43 <BobOfDoom> aaahh
Oct 24 12:06:54 <BobOfDoom> compiler is clobbering the inline asm registers
Oct 24 12:15:31 <CIA-27> ato cocoboot * r86c8bef9caab /m68k/mach.c: Add Palm Centro. Remove Treo 600, to avoid the illusion that we
Oct 24 12:15:32 <CIA-27> ato cocoboot * r95dde9a5f8db /arm/ (boot.c cpu.c): Cleanup and avoid some memory corruption on Treos.
Oct 24 12:24:01 <CIA-27> ato cocoboot * r019e7054094c /m68k/mem.c: Tweak RAM guesstimator on Treo 680 by adding a "magic" 3mb.
Oct 24 12:24:01 <CIA-27> ato cocoboot * rae432a160a45 /include/shared.h: Add some more padding to try to prevent overwrites.
Oct 24 12:24:49 <BobOfDoom> Sleep_Walker: ok I think its pretty stable on 680 now
Oct 24 12:25:02 <BobOfDoom> Sleep_Walker: I've done about 10 boots and not a single reset
Oct 24 12:50:20 <bfree> pity I still haven't got myself a compilation environment to try out my 680 yet then :-(
Oct 24 12:50:37 <bfree> probably have to hack an initrd to get qemu booting the debian (lenny) install I made, as the debian kernel doesn't have suitable hd support built in (though I'm thinking I'll just try emdebian's cross-compiler anyway).  going away for long weekend though, so not til next week
Oct 24 12:50:58 <bfree> and if you think the 680's sd flap is bad you should try the cover on the Centro's minisd!
Oct 24 12:52:02 <BobOfDoom> :)
Oct 24 12:55:15 <Sleep_Walker> fine, I'll sync
Oct 24 12:55:35 <Sleep_Walker> kEdAR will be glad for that Centro :)
Oct 24 12:56:48 <bfree> I've yet to buy myself a tiny sd for it, but I will
Oct 24 13:27:18 <CIA-27> ato cocoboot * r24130154196b / (Changelog include/cocoboot.rcp): Bumped to version 0.5.1.
Oct 24 14:00:08 <marex> hehehe ... I got Eric this time ;-)
Oct 24 14:00:24 * slapin wonders if it is really possible to build arm part of cocoboot using normal compiler
Oct 24 14:00:35 <slapin> marex, hi
Oct 24 14:00:40 <marex> slapin, bye, Im off
Oct 24 14:00:54 <slapin> marex, suits you
Oct 24 14:02:36 <marex> why ?
Oct 24 14:02:52 <marex> I need to go buy some food ... I'll be back in a few hours
Oct 24 14:03:00 <marex> slapin, do you need something important ?
Oct 24 14:03:25 <slapin> marex, no, just about SoC thing
Oct 24 14:03:36 <slapin> marex, might wait a few days
Oct 24 14:03:49 <marex> SoC ? you mean gSoC or aSoC or what SoC ?
Oct 24 14:04:59 <slapin> marex, ASoC, sorry, mistyped a damn thing
Oct 24 14:05:08 <marex> what about it ?
Oct 24 14:05:18 <marex> I already wrote generic driver, hope you used it
Oct 24 14:05:26 <Sleep_Walker> BobOfDoom: ok, it seems that BCM2133 over FFUART has no other connected pins than you already have in gsm
Oct 24 14:05:39 <slapin> marex, just what are you going to do with pxa27x version and have you really tested it.
Oct 24 14:05:48 <Sleep_Walker> initialization is 87 low, high, 34 out, in :)
Oct 24 14:06:13 <marex> slapin, well it should be merged upstream as you probably know ...
Oct 24 14:06:19 <Sleep_Walker> with software flow control it works flawlessly
Oct 24 14:06:21 <marex> (it's common sense I guess)
Oct 24 14:06:34 <Sleep_Walker> most of time :b
Oct 24 14:06:45 <slapin> marex, anyway, as I see with z72, there's no any GPIO there to control speaker/headphones, so this really doesn't work for z72 as is.
Oct 24 14:07:30 <slapin> marex, so as I see you didn't care, so I will try to clean it up and will submit to lakml
Oct 24 14:08:28 <slapin> marex, if you will have some time, please look at it too
Oct 24 14:13:44 <marex> slapin, from where do you see I dont care ?
Oct 24 14:14:49 <marex> btw. there is no need to clean it up, you just dont have to set any GPIO there, use -1 or something, I dont recall exactly
Oct 24 14:15:24 <marex> we can continue this in the evening or so ... I dont have much time because of school
Oct 24 14:15:29 <marex> bye
Oct 24 14:15:31 <slapin> marex, ok, you don't care enough, I decide this by not seeing in LAKML it yet.
Oct 24 14:15:45 <slapin> marex, so you agree?
Oct 24 14:15:58 <marex> slapin, I sent it to lakml some time ago iirc
Oct 24 14:16:20 <marex> I have some patches prepared already which I might submit soon, so give me some time
Oct 24 14:16:44 <marex> slapin, this one is there as well
Oct 24 14:16:53 <marex> 0002-Palm-PXA27x-unified-aSoC-sound-driver.patch
Oct 24 14:17:06 <slapin> marex, anyway, I'd like to have more look into this
Oct 24 14:17:20 <marex> do as you please, but I will submit my version eventually
Oct 24 14:17:30 <marex> I made some more adjustments there
Oct 24 14:17:31 <slapin> marex, 'eventually' = ?
Oct 24 14:17:42 <marex> eventually = when I have time
Oct 24 14:17:47 <slapin> marex, please share it then
Oct 24 14:17:51 <marex> probably next week
Oct 24 14:18:03 <marex> I will share it when I revise it ... and I will share it through lakml
Oct 24 14:18:25 <slapin> marex, cooperative, as always
Oct 24 14:18:38 <slapin> marex, I just wanted to add z72 support to it
Oct 24 14:18:48 <marex> slapin, right ... I have school to study which has priority for me ... period
Oct 24 14:19:01 <slapin> marex, so, you agree or not?
Oct 24 14:19:18 <marex> I will submit it till the end of next week
Oct 24 14:19:30 <marex> slapin, happy with that ?
Oct 24 14:20:15 <slapin> marex, I'm really happy
Oct 24 14:21:14 <marex> fine ... see you in lakml then
Oct 24 14:21:28 <marex> slapin, anything else ?
Oct 24 14:21:55 <slapin> marex, I had a birthday yesterday
Oct 24 14:23:00 <marex> slapin, Otanjobi omedeto
Oct 24 14:26:08 <slapin> marex, domo arigatoo
Oct 24 14:46:15 <Sleep_Walker> Speak _english_ (clever topic part :b )
Oct 24 15:50:58 <Sleep_Walker> BobOfDoom: your cocofix is not helping me :/
Oct 24 15:51:09 <Sleep_Walker> you didn't test it with initrd did you
Oct 24 15:55:00 <Sleep_Walker> that diff I sent you is making things a bit better
Oct 24 16:14:32 <Sleep_Walker> 9 and 47 are connected, but it is also connected to 115
Oct 24 16:15:03 <Sleep_Walker> 115 is OUT, switching high/low
Oct 24 16:15:35 <Sleep_Walker> 47 is OUT on low, switching to IN high
Oct 24 16:16:00 <Sleep_Walker> 9 is IN all the time, switching on/off
Oct 24 16:24:08 <Sleep_Walker> http://sleepwalker.hackndev.com/settel.sh
Oct 24 16:24:48 <Sleep_Walker> this will initiate Treo 680 GSM so minicom can be used with HW flow control
Oct 24 16:25:42 <Sleep_Walker> unfortunatelly I can't dial :(
Oct 24 16:25:54 <Sleep_Walker> incomming call is detected and displayed
Oct 24 16:26:18 <Sleep_Walker> but dialing with ATD always return NO CARRIER
Oct 24 16:28:05 <Sleep_Walker> got it!!!!!!!!!!!! yay!
Oct 24 16:28:50 <|miska|> ATX something?
Oct 24 16:29:01 <Sleep_Walker> ATDT<number>;
Oct 24 16:29:09 <Sleep_Walker> semicolon was important
Oct 24 18:39:56 <Sleep_Walker> heya
Oct 24 18:45:12 <Sleep_Walker> unfortunately I can't force GSM chip to stay awake when it is not switched on from PalmOS
Oct 24 19:09:04 <Sleep_Walker> 13minutes of one way call :b
Oct 24 19:16:44 <fdv_> really?
Oct 24 19:18:48 <Sleep_Walker> yup
Oct 24 19:19:04 <Sleep_Walker> trying to find two way settings
Oct 24 19:35:40 <Sleep_Walker> ok, two way call done
Oct 24 19:36:00 <Sleep_Walker> but there is very silent output to ear
Oct 24 19:36:20 <Sleep_Walker> I'll try to find correct settings in PalmOS :)
Oct 24 19:36:40 <fdv_> ;)
Oct 24 19:57:32 <samuel> Hi all. I have Raster's e17 image running on my Treo650, I've set up net connectivity and I can ping google. Now I want to install some Angstrom packages but I can't see which feeds to add/use. Can anyone help?
Oct 24 22:23:45 <Sleep_Walker> BobOfDoom: that two way call you did - it was done as usual or with handsfree or using that external amplifier?
Oct 24 22:24:27 <Sleep_Walker> that inner amplifier is quite silent, I wonder if it has it's own GPIO
Oct 24 22:25:17 <marex> samuel, sure, use google
Oct 24 22:25:42 <BobOfDoom> Sleep_Walker: just the internal earphone
Oct 24 22:25:55 <Sleep_Walker> hmmm
Oct 24 22:27:29 <BobOfDoom> Sleep_Walker: I just avoid initrd, so no haven't tested with that
Oct 24 22:30:06 <BobOfDoom> samuel: any arv5te or earlier packages should work I guess
Oct 24 22:30:12 <BobOfDoom> samuel: I dunno, haven't tried it
Oct 24 22:31:10 <marex> BobOfDoom, right
Oct 24 22:59:52 <samuel> BobOfDoom: Thanks, that's the info I was missing...  Do you know why Raster chose to use only example feeds in his image? I thought that might mean something specific...
Oct 24 23:04:33 <BobOfDoom> samuel: just because those are tesing / proof of concept images and raster builds his own packages with OE, I believe, rather than using a feed
Oct 24 23:06:40 <samuel> BobOfDoom: But even so - can I reasonable expect many Angstrom packages to work? Is there a non-raster/non proof of concept Angstrom image apart from the Debian on on the website that I've missed somehow (I really have googled this stuff, but when you're new to an area it is easy to miss things/not find the right keywords!)
Oct 24 23:08:31 <BobOfDoom> samuel: not for the treo specifically as far as I know, a rootfs from a bootpack for a different palm *should* theoretically work as well though
Oct 24 23:09:48 <BobOfDoom> just use a treo 650 zImage with it
Oct 24 23:09:59 <BobOfDoom> oh speaking of which, http://meshy.org/~ato/tmp/zImage
Oct 24 23:10:07 <BobOfDoom> that's the latest kernel, built yesterday
Oct 24 23:10:21 <BobOfDoom> might have a few minor fixes compared to the one in raster's image
Oct 24 23:11:03 <samuel> cool: thanks :) Am I missing a wiki somewhere? or does this information tend to float in the ether?
Oct 24 23:12:40 <BobOfDoom> haha
Oct 24 23:12:51 <BobOfDoom> yeah, it does kind of tend to float in the ether
Oct 24 23:13:05 <BobOfDoom> we do have some old trac instances at http://trac.hackndev.com
Oct 24 23:13:16 <BobOfDoom> but they're kind of decaying
Oct 24 23:13:21 <samuel> BobOfDoom: for example, there doesn't seem to be a good keymap for the Treo yet - but if people are actually running this I was sure someone, somewhere would have done it. For example, if I had '/' and 'tab' on the real kb I'd never need an onscreen one practically
Oct 24 23:13:45 <BobOfDoom> actually raster has one (again not documentmented anywhere except irc logs)
Oct 24 23:14:07 <BobOfDoom> lemme find it
Oct 24 23:14:16 <samuel> BobOfDoom: The one in his images is not perfect - do you know if that's the one you're thinking of?
Oct 24 23:14:54 <BobOfDoom> ah, there is one in those images?
Oct 24 23:14:54 <BobOfDoom> hmm
Oct 24 23:15:00 <BobOfDoom> yeah that'd be the one I'm thinking of
Oct 24 23:15:07 <BobOfDoom> I thought he added it after he built those images
Oct 24 23:15:17 <BobOfDoom> but maybe he posted new binaries when I wasn't looking :p
Oct 24 23:15:18 <Sleep_Walker> different version?
Oct 24 23:15:18 <BobOfDoom> http://svn.enlightenment.org/svn/e/trunk/TMP/oe/my_packages/palmt650-keyboard-modmap/
Oct 24 23:16:11 <samuel> I'll run a diff of this with the version on the phone
Oct 24 23:17:45 <BobOfDoom> samuel: I'm setting up a new trac on hackndev.com server (which is much faster than the one the old tracs are running on), I'll try and authenticate it against the forum accounts and link it more prominently from the frontpage too, so hopefully we can start to build up a more useful knowledge base
Oct 24 23:18:53 <samuel> BobOfDoom: That sounds great. I think now that treos are <£40 on eBay and they've had some good 'linux press' it might be more popular...
Oct 24 23:19:16 <samuel> Fun too :)
Oct 24 23:20:17 <marex> BobOfDoom, I never noticed any knowledge ...
Oct 24 23:20:41 <marex> at least on my side, there is nothing ... totally blank here ;-)
Oct 24 23:20:49 <BobOfDoom> XD
Oct 24 23:21:52 <marex> anyway ... if you need some source of knowledge, start with anidb.net ;-)
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