**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Oct 30 02:59:57 2008 Oct 30 11:38:57 BobOfDoom: have you checked and sync? Oct 30 12:04:45 slapin: ping Oct 30 12:05:07 slapin: I guess you're still OE maintainer for palm stuff right? Oct 30 12:27:32 slapin: oh woah... nope hadn't seen your commits Oct 30 12:27:34 err Oct 30 12:27:42 Sleep_Walker: <-- meant to address that to Oct 30 12:28:41 BobOfDoom, ping Oct 30 12:29:26 BobOfDoom, yeah, but need to mail my ssh key yet, will resolve in a few days (my ISP is disappointing me). Oct 30 12:29:27 slapin: ah, check your mail.. raster wanted to commit some stuff to fix hackndev kernel build in OE Oct 30 12:29:50 BobOfDoom, ok, I'll check that asap. Oct 30 12:30:15 slapin: he's got OE commit access, I assume he just needs to review it or whatever Oct 30 12:30:28 s/needs to/needs you to/ Oct 30 12:30:32 boo Oct 30 12:30:33 :) Oct 30 12:31:09 anyway, what happened recently? I'm a bit overloaded lately Oct 30 12:31:18 who got commit access? Oct 30 12:31:24 Sleep_Walker, you? Oct 30 12:31:27 raster did Oct 30 12:31:31 moi Oct 30 12:31:37 ah, great Oct 30 12:31:44 raster, grats Oct 30 12:32:24 dont care about that so much as just fixing shit Oct 30 12:32:30 i dont like stuff that doesnt work Oct 30 12:32:31 :) Oct 30 12:33:12 raster, it seems I don't know you because I was not really active much lots of time, so what are you working on and what device(s) are you trying to free? :) Oct 30 12:33:34 treo650 Oct 30 12:33:51 well also n800, zaurus c860, freerunners Oct 30 12:33:55 should have a pandora soon Oct 30 12:34:09 slapin: quick background: raster == project lead of enlightenment. he's been porting e17 to handhelds, and writing a widget library and other UI stuff for them. He's been using the treo as a test platform since it's rather RAM constrained Oct 30 12:34:09 might look at adding some sc6410 too at some point Oct 30 12:34:25 i like the low ram Oct 30 12:34:34 keeps my head in reality Oct 30 12:34:35 :) Oct 30 12:35:09 0001-Linux-Palm-Fix-Linux-kernel-build-so-it-actually.patch Oct 30 12:35:19 0007-netbase-provide-a-default-network-setup-for-palmt65.patch Oct 30 12:35:24 raster, n800 is good as it is, I have a friend which support some of Zauri in Linux Kernel, hope you could contact with Oct 30 12:35:40 0013-palmt650.conf-add-palmt650-keyboard-modmap-package.patch Oct 30 12:35:45 0014-palmt650.conf-use-palmt650-keyboard-modmap-in-palmt.patch Oct 30 12:35:59 0018-palm.inc-plam.inc-machne-conf-need-to-remove-EXTRA_.patch Oct 30 12:36:00 I am now work with at91 things, Zire 72 and T3. Oct 30 12:36:07 those are my palm specific fixes of late Oct 30 12:36:18 well c860 works Oct 30 12:36:24 all of those work with oe Oct 30 12:36:28 n800 is kind of arsey Oct 30 12:36:31 x is unaccelerated Oct 30 12:36:34 and no wifi Oct 30 12:36:54 c860 - i think my hardware is dodgey as the kernel likes to lock up after runing for a few hours Oct 30 12:37:03 raster, so OE needs some maemo stuff built then. Oct 30 12:37:06 the treo and my 2 freerunners are my best platforms so far Oct 30 12:37:07 :) Oct 30 12:37:11 yeah Oct 30 12:37:12 it does Oct 30 12:37:15 and stuff that is closed Oct 30 12:37:18 eg wifi drivers Oct 30 12:37:19 :) Oct 30 12:37:37 raster, IIRC Nokia opened their prosm stuff Oct 30 12:37:54 raster, so only port is needed. Oct 30 12:37:56 really? Oct 30 12:37:58 as of when? Oct 30 12:38:07 raster, I remember having announcement somewhere. Oct 30 12:38:15 recent? Oct 30 12:38:18 raster, a few months ago. Oct 30 12:38:23 aaaah Oct 30 12:38:25 missed it Oct 30 12:38:25 BobOfDoom: I'm not maintainer of OE Oct 30 12:38:30 s/prosm/prism Oct 30 12:38:47 Sleep_Walker, you have to become one Oct 30 12:38:58 Sleep_Walker, that's your doom, really Oct 30 12:39:04 Sleep_Walker: sorry, was talking about your linux-2.6.git commits Oct 30 12:39:20 slapin: basically wondering if its ok to commit fixes to oe for plamt650 Oct 30 12:39:27 i actuvely build images/maintain stuff for it Oct 30 12:39:37 so i'm doing this because it fixes builds Oct 30 12:39:39 Sleep_Walker, are you ready to submit to mainline? Oct 30 12:39:42 and generally makes it more usable Oct 30 12:39:51 slapin: what are you talking about? Oct 30 12:39:55 if u dont like them they can always be reverted Oct 30 12:40:02 obeying Koen? Oct 30 12:40:03 raster, as soon as I mail my ssh pubkey to Koen. Oct 30 12:40:09 just wondering if u want every patch to be reviewed Oct 30 12:40:19 aaah Oct 30 12:40:22 i' Oct 30 12:40:27 'm a step ahead of u there Oct 30 12:40:27 BobOfDoom: ok, got it now finally :b Oct 30 12:40:36 raster, as I was lazy to do so Oct 30 12:40:39 i can mail u my current palm-spefic patches if u want for a read Oct 30 12:40:48 if u're happy i can just commit for u Oct 30 12:40:49 I still have monotone commit access though Oct 30 12:41:19 slapin: do you have any progress about T3? (for example suspend/resume) Oct 30 12:41:45 raster, I have a large bunch of stuff pending, but it better wait because I don't want somebody tortured for my stuff :) Oct 30 12:41:59 HAHAHAHAHAHHA Oct 30 12:42:01 ok Oct 30 12:42:12 i'll set up a branch on oe's git at some point Oct 30 12:42:14 i have a local branch Oct 30 12:42:23 i just dont have anywhere to publish it Oct 30 12:42:37 Sleep_Walker, I have much fun with mfd stuff and CPU identification at the moment. They are show stoppers before basic T3 can be committed. Oct 30 12:43:02 ah.. the pxa26x stuff? Oct 30 12:43:03 raster, oe-devel? Oct 30 12:43:07 heh Oct 30 12:43:10 BobOfDoom, yeah Oct 30 12:43:12 slapin: ahhh, I knwo Oct 30 12:43:46 slapin: well emailing a bunch of patches i dont consider publishing Oct 30 12:43:51 thats so 90's Oct 30 12:44:00 as soon as basic T3 can be committed, that will be just matter of one merge window. Oct 30 12:44:06 i mean it an scn-accessible tree u can just fetch with all changes Oct 30 12:44:07 :) Oct 30 12:44:16 ok Oct 30 12:44:26 raster, put it on infradead.org Oct 30 12:44:26 I'm now very interested in my Treo680 Oct 30 12:44:34 raster, or on github Oct 30 12:44:43 I hope I finish base stuff soon Oct 30 12:45:06 slapin: hmm doesnt make sense when i have oe git commit access :) Oct 30 12:45:12 just put up a branch there Oct 30 12:45:13 :) Oct 30 12:45:36 raster, just try to avoid Koen in bad mood Oct 30 12:45:38 it just doesnt like my branchname for some reason that it wont explain Oct 30 12:45:46 hehehe Oct 30 12:46:06 raster, you will have to push it with a branch name for it to be created Oct 30 12:46:16 i did Oct 30 12:46:17 raster, if their commit hooks allow that. Oct 30 12:46:20 it refuses to accept it Oct 30 12:46:40 ah... Oct 30 12:46:50 i have come to hate git with a passion... Oct 30 12:46:57 you need a full refspec thingamie the first time IIRC Oct 30 12:46:58 there is always something broken/not working Oct 30 12:47:14 raster, don't worry then - just break it. commit it directly. Oct 30 12:47:20 as per Oct 30 12:47:22 http://wiki.openembedded.net/index.php/GitPhraseBook Oct 30 12:47:41 raster, just make sure you break only what deserves to be broken, so Koen does not come with a club Oct 30 12:47:58 11:47PM ~/oe/openembedded > git-branch -a Oct 30 12:47:58 org.openembedded.dev Oct 30 12:47:58 * raster Oct 30 12:47:58 origin/HEAD Oct 30 12:47:59 ... Oct 30 12:48:49 11:48PM ~/oe/openembedded > git push origin raster/raster Oct 30 12:48:53 error: src refspec raster/raster does not match any. Oct 30 12:48:55 etc. Oct 30 12:48:56 raster, just pull master, branch master into your master, rebase your branch and push it into OE master. Oct 30 12:49:01 i can try several branchnames Oct 30 12:49:04 but... doesnt work Oct 30 12:49:19 raster: ah yeah.. you have to give the full path the firstname or it refuses to create it Oct 30 12:49:24 you really do something wrong with git command line Oct 30 12:49:27 lemme remember Oct 30 12:49:42 you need to set branch:branch as first. Oct 30 12:49:45 BobOfDoom: ugh... and that would be? Oct 30 12:50:16 '/' is for specifying sub-branches/remotes like origin/master, etc. Oct 30 12:50:36 git push origin localbranchname:refs/remotes/origin/raster/raster Oct 30 12:50:40 that might be it Oct 30 12:51:03 aaah Oct 30 12:51:17 last one can be shortened by just :raster I think Oct 30 12:51:21 git push origin raster Oct 30 12:51:22 works Oct 30 12:51:24 and creates a Oct 30 12:51:32 origin/raster Oct 30 12:51:38 "magically" Oct 30 12:52:03 http://git.openembedded.net/?p=openembedded.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/raster Oct 30 12:52:05 yep Oct 30 12:52:17 raster, so to turn into wizard, you just need to do one thing... Oct 30 12:53:10 do i need to change to the origin/raster branch? Oct 30 12:53:11 ie Oct 30 12:53:17 git-checkout -b origin/raster Oct 30 12:53:18 ? Oct 30 12:53:34 to do what? Oct 30 12:53:46 oh Oct 30 12:53:47 dunno Oct 30 12:53:51 to continue development Oct 30 12:53:57 ie git-commit stuff Oct 30 12:53:59 then git-push Oct 30 12:54:07 (withotu specialyl pushing to a branch) Oct 30 12:54:15 raster, you need to create trackimg branch Oct 30 12:54:24 ah Oct 30 12:54:24 yeah Oct 30 12:54:28 ugh Oct 30 12:54:44 why does git have to do everything the hard way Oct 30 12:54:44 :) Oct 30 12:55:09 raster just either edit .git/config or do git branch raster1 remotes/raster Oct 30 12:55:30 raster, that depends on what you define hard and easy Oct 30 12:55:44 svn -> easy Oct 30 12:55:48 csv -> easy Oct 30 12:55:51 rcs -> easy Oct 30 12:55:52 :) Oct 30 12:56:04 god forbid mtn! Oct 30 12:56:07 dont even go there! Oct 30 12:56:07 :) Oct 30 12:56:11 raster, I can cope with git hardships, because it becomes easy when you really need scm (rebasing) Oct 30 12:56:30 raster, well, do you really konw what rcs is? Oct 30 12:56:37 yes Oct 30 12:56:45 i used it long enough Oct 30 12:56:45 :) Oct 30 12:56:50 its hella-primitive Oct 30 12:57:30 raster, you forgot to say SCCS -> easy, bitkeeper -> easy, and clearcase-> easy (damn the last one). Oct 30 12:57:40 hehehe Oct 30 12:57:42 never used those Oct 30 12:57:44 cant say Oct 30 12:57:45 :) Oct 30 12:58:13 hmm Oct 30 12:58:17 so what does a tracking branch do Oct 30 12:58:18 raster, better tool gives you more power. you might feel confident using primitive tool until you find you really need that power... Oct 30 12:58:20 i mean i have a branch Oct 30 12:58:25 i do my work in it Oct 30 12:58:27 i commit to it Oct 30 12:58:32 why do i need anything else? Oct 30 12:58:40 aaah Oct 30 12:58:44 i have found i never need the power Oct 30 12:58:56 maybe its a artifact of e devel Oct 30 12:59:02 head is the only thing we use Oct 30 12:59:08 branches are for the weak and feeble Oct 30 12:59:09 :) Oct 30 12:59:09 raster you set this branch as active using checkout and you can say just pul and push. it plays like master-origin relationship, but more flexible Oct 30 12:59:13 tracking branch just means when you git pull and push it knows which remote branch is associated with it Oct 30 12:59:14 u screw with head Oct 30 12:59:23 everyone gets your changes and can moan and groan Oct 30 12:59:24 :) Oct 30 12:59:29 I just do it explicitly all the time Oct 30 12:59:36 never bothered to learn how to set it up Oct 30 12:59:47 the end result is that devs seem to not rabidly destroy it and it tends to be pretty damn stable Oct 30 12:59:47 branches and rebase are git's powerful things. once you get used to them - you can't leave without them Oct 30 12:59:47 :) Oct 30 13:01:26 git branch --track somenewlocalbranch origin/raster Oct 30 13:01:27 BobOfDoom: so i set up raster1 lets say Oct 30 13:01:29 git checkout somenewlocalbranch Oct 30 13:01:44 and then I guess push and pull should go to upstream "raster" branch Oct 30 13:01:53 --track might be the default I guess Oct 30 13:02:08 git branch raster1 origin/raster Oct 30 13:02:14 then git-branch -b raster1 Oct 30 13:02:16 to flip to it Oct 30 13:02:26 nah Oct 30 13:02:32 git-checkout raster1 Oct 30 13:02:33 and from now on all my commits when i git-push end up in origin/raster branch on the server? Oct 30 13:02:37 to bswitch ot it Oct 30 13:02:46 yeaherr Oct 30 13:02:48 thats what i meant Oct 30 13:02:53 git-checkout -b raster1 Oct 30 13:02:59 (to switch to raster1) Oct 30 13:03:05 in your general git repo you can have zillions of branches, I generally have hundreds of them, it is how general work with git is done, branches are cheap so you set them up for your smaller tasks, Oct 30 13:03:20 "-b" option means create a new branch Oct 30 13:03:43 aaah ok Oct 30 13:03:46 yeah Oct 30 13:04:18 i tend to hate branches myself Oct 30 13:04:24 i tend to have a single stream fo stuff i do Oct 30 13:04:26 i do it Oct 30 13:04:28 finish it Oct 30 13:04:31 comit it - move on Oct 30 13:05:24 two approaches exist - you have your work branch, which is not tracking, you have your tracking branch (e.g. master) which you never touch. you periodically update your master, and rebase your work branch from it. Oct 30 13:06:28 i prefer 1 level Oct 30 13:06:40 master (what everyone else is working on) and i rebase on that Oct 30 13:06:43 second - you work with master branch directly and do pushes abd pulls, but that creates mayhem when your work is patch-based (e.g Linux kernel). For OE this stype works, until you want several topic branches. Oct 30 13:06:49 and then "my stuff" as the overlay Oct 30 13:07:15 i always have done "branching" in code itself Oct 30 13:07:21 ie its a compile option Oct 30 13:07:44 ./configure --enable-new-experimental-thing Oct 30 13:07:49 or a runtime option Oct 30 13:07:59 (-option-enable or in a config file or gui config) Oct 30 13:08:26 so i dont move my "keep multiple things in play at once" logic in the scm Oct 30 13:08:31 i keep it in the source itself Oct 30 13:09:26 raster, I recommend you work on your local non-tracking branch, which you rebase using master. as soon as you going to commit, you merge it all int your tracking non-master branch and push. so you have 3 branches - master, origin/raster and raster (local). Work on raster, rebase it on master and push to remote/raster. never pull from remote/master though. Oct 30 13:10:30 as your task finishes and you go to next one, you usually create new branch based on master and work there. This way you will usually get proper merges when you decide to commit to master. Oct 30 13:10:49 anyway, that's up to you. Oct 30 13:11:45 lets see how it goes Oct 30 13:12:00 anyway there's a raster branch there i think now Oct 30 13:12:02 publicly Oct 30 13:12:06 origin/raster Oct 30 13:12:11 to look at the changes i made Oct 30 13:12:18 .. if my push did what i thought it did Oct 30 13:12:42 yeah Oct 30 13:12:54 it worked: http://git.openembedded.net/?p=openembedded.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/raster Oct 30 13:13:24 BobOfDoom: yeah - i just hope my commits went TO my branch Oct 30 13:13:28 ... i hope! Oct 30 13:13:40 they did Oct 30 13:13:59 as they're not visible in the dev branch Oct 30 13:14:09 ekkshellennt Oct 30 13:15:59 guess I should get up the nerve to start submitting treo stuff to linux-arm mailing list Oct 30 13:16:08 BobOfDoom: do it Oct 30 13:16:17 dont worry about the nerve Oct 30 13:16:21 just be lucky u have the time! Oct 30 13:16:25 thats always my problem :) Oct 30 13:17:52 last time I tried I thoguht "hmmm.. better clean this up first". got it cleaned up, and then got distracted by getting some new ASIC crap working and well.. slowly development hacks crept in and it was unclean again Oct 30 13:17:56 hmm Oct 30 13:18:06 maybe that's what slapin's hundreds of branches are for though :D Oct 30 13:18:45 I'll need to figure out how to handle the ASIC stuff properly Oct 30 13:18:51 hahaha Oct 30 13:18:52 aaah Oct 30 13:18:57 unclean code Oct 30 13:18:57 maybe I can just start by submitting the base machine without GSM support first though Oct 30 13:19:00 thats the way of the samurai Oct 30 13:19:01 :) Oct 30 13:19:30 ok Oct 30 13:19:35 time to snoz Oct 30 13:19:40 zzzzzzzzzz.......... Oct 30 13:19:42 good idea Oct 30 13:19:49 nitew man! Oct 30 13:19:52 nite Oct 30 13:19:53 :) Oct 30 13:19:56 night Oct 30 13:21:26 BobOfDoom, submitting base machine is what you need first Oct 30 13:22:26 BobOfDoom, split your stuff into logical pieces, like support for this and that. It will increase chanses that clean stuff gets in and you get advice on how to improve your unclean stuff Oct 30 13:24:56 slapin: do I have to submit at a particular time? (in relation to merge window stuff?) or will any time do for linux-arm? Oct 30 13:34:50 BobOfDoom, well, we missed this release with new stuff, so we better submit stuff for review next week. Oct 30 13:35:30 BobOfDoom, hopefully we'll have it in .29. Oct 30 14:28:03 * slapin wonders why all commercial products he looked at were so good until he looked inside and world turned upside down. it is always better to not know a thing you like too much. (this is often the case with people too). Oct 30 14:45:22 hm Oct 30 16:22:48 http://hackndev.com/node/227 fuck Oct 30 16:24:03 marex: wtf? Oct 30 16:25:02 you were saved from something horrible Oct 30 16:25:38 marex: thank you! Oct 30 23:00:04 BobOfDoom: gm Oct 30 23:00:16 BobOfDoom: can IR be disabled by GPIO direction change? Oct 30 23:01:43 hm, probably not Oct 30 23:07:01 9,47,115 are really weird Oct 30 23:07:20 setting 47 to FICP_TXD makes IrDA working Oct 30 23:08:29 direcion change? Oct 30 23:08:36 hmm Oct 30 23:08:40 read the datasheet Oct 30 23:09:09 TFBS4650 Oct 30 23:10:22 looks like there's a shutdown signal that when high disables it Oct 30 23:12:04 so 115 probably is shutdown Oct 30 23:12:30 and 9 is just weird Oct 30 23:12:51 seems to mirror TXD Oct 30 23:12:55 dunno what the point in that is Oct 30 23:15:31 maybe it so so they can wake on IRDA Oct 30 23:15:41 but I would have thought it'd mirror RXD then Oct 30 23:19:09 oh Oct 30 23:19:16 it's 115200 only? Oct 30 23:19:40 seems like Oct 30 23:20:29 that's "fine" Oct 30 23:21:41 hmmm, standby works, but touchscreen does not after resume :b Oct 30 23:22:36 screen works but no touchscreen? Oct 30 23:22:40 hmm Oct 30 23:22:51 maybe wm9712 is getting shut off Oct 30 23:22:58 and not waking Oct 30 23:23:11 I have to compare... Oct 30 23:23:58 oooh, my TX with broken LCD just arrived Oct 30 23:23:59 more toys Oct 30 23:24:04 :) Oct 30 23:24:23 oh woah.. that screen is really screwed up Oct 30 23:24:37 I have just one spare screen for |miska| Oct 30 23:24:50 3/4 is just white and grey cracks Oct 30 23:24:57 |miska|: btw, I'm not sure I will be there so early Oct 30 23:25:03 bottom right quarter.. you can make out bits and pieces but it's all faded Oct 30 23:25:06 (I'm pretty sure I won't ;) Oct 30 23:25:17 guess it got crushed by something heavy Oct 30 23:25:23 hopefully my old LD screen will work Oct 30 23:25:30 hehe Oct 30 23:25:34 another zombie Oct 30 23:25:36 <|miska|> Sleep_Walker: Well, if you wouldn't be there, we can meet during the monday ;-) Oct 30 23:25:41 badabing! Oct 30 23:26:04 |miska|: ok Oct 30 23:26:14 it would be the best Oct 30 23:26:25 BobOfDoom: there is screwed more :( Oct 30 23:26:36 it seems that also SD/MMC.. Oct 30 23:27:08 raster: badaboom Oct 30 23:27:29 Sleep_Walker: yeah.. one of the signal will control power to it Oct 30 23:27:43 I triggered it while messing around with GSM wake at one point Oct 30 23:27:45 aha Oct 30 23:27:49 need to hunt down exactly which one it is though Oct 30 23:27:54 BobOfDoom: so says bob. Oct 30 23:28:20 BobOfDoom: I'll create MMC killing script :) Oct 30 23:28:41 XD Oct 30 23:28:52 actually Oct 30 23:29:01 while mmc_is_alive(); do change_gpio $i; i=$((i+1)); done Oct 30 23:29:02 another way to find it might be with gpiotrace and insert and remove card Oct 30 23:29:10 not so funny :/ Oct 30 23:29:20 but I'm in PalmOS Oct 30 23:29:22 assuming it powers down while not inserted Oct 30 23:29:36 how it can output GPIOs to card when there is no card? Oct 30 23:29:53 oh Oct 30 23:29:58 point taken Oct 30 23:30:04 I need to wake up Oct 30 23:30:17 fooooooood! Oct 30 23:39:03 ow Oct 30 23:39:11 today is not going to be a good day Oct 30 23:39:51 just managed to flip a bowl of almost boiling pasta sauce all over myself Oct 30 23:39:52 :)) Oct 30 23:40:06 ow ow Oct 30 23:40:21 and by the state of my pants it looks like I've just axe murdered someone Oct 30 23:40:32 freeminded in dressing :b Oct 30 23:41:45 BobOfDoom: btw. you set buttons Calendar, Home.. etc to some wierd values - what it is for? Oct 30 23:42:01 (I mainly use OPIE and it doesn't work with this settings) Oct 30 23:42:07 oh Oct 30 23:42:09 I dunno Oct 30 23:42:15 I think I set home to home :p Oct 30 23:42:21 I dunno about the others Oct 30 23:42:38 you can change them to something more useful.. Iwasn't sure what to mke them Oct 30 23:42:45 (on the other hand - if this will cause some better compatibility with 650 keymap - it can be fine :) Oct 30 23:42:46 just let raster know so he can update the X keymap Oct 30 23:43:15 ok, I'll set it as it was in 2.6.21 Oct 30 23:43:20 that worked fine Oct 30 23:43:27 ok Oct 30 23:43:38 (when I ommit the fact that there are not defined all buttons :) Oct 30 23:43:52 ooh wait Oct 30 23:43:55 this is 680? Oct 30 23:43:57 aaah Oct 30 23:44:13 right.. I think I was lazy and just copied from 650 Oct 30 23:44:22 .. so actually.. 650 is probably wrong then as well Oct 30 23:44:26 ow Oct 30 23:44:30 but don't listen to me today Oct 30 23:44:34 brain is not working Oct 30 23:44:45 and I need to take a shower and wash off pasta sauce Oct 30 23:44:46 argh Oct 30 23:48:18 Do you celebrate halloween there, BobOfDoom ? Oct 30 23:48:54 (just say it's your costume -- no problem.) Oct 30 23:50:02 no we don't Oct 30 23:50:14 although I guess I can say I'm an american Oct 30 23:50:36 oh wait no Oct 30 23:50:43 halloween was yesterday our time anyway Oct 30 23:50:55 ooh no its not Oct 30 23:50:56 31st Oct 30 23:50:57 huh Oct 30 23:50:58 ok Oct 30 23:52:49 hmm Oct 30 23:52:54 according to wikipedia Oct 30 23:53:09 "Halloween is celebrated in several countries of the Western world, [...] and at times in parts of Australia." Oct 30 23:53:40 I guess cause Australian's are lazy Oct 30 23:53:46 can't be bothered to celebrate it most of the time Oct 30 23:53:58 I like the rather vague "at times" part. Oct 30 23:55:09 Sleep_Walker: cant opie just have a remap? Oct 30 23:55:16 (instead of changing it in the kernel?)_ Oct 30 23:55:22 as those keys dont have standard keycodes Oct 30 23:55:40 raster: OPIE can't do that Oct 30 23:55:50 * raster :-P @ opia Oct 30 23:55:52 err Oct 30 23:55:53 but loadkmap before running OPIE maybe can Oct 30 23:55:55 * raster :-P's @ opie Oct 30 23:56:06 may as well follow the convention from the other devices anyway though Oct 30 23:56:21 like if on the ipaqss and other palms there's some convention about how to set calendar button or whatever Oct 30 23:56:25 basically for x i just took the keycodes and remap them at login (x start of x session) to something "useful" Oct 30 23:56:27 although actually Oct 30 23:56:33 I thought OPIE did have the keys mapped Oct 30 23:56:39 but it's hardcoded in the OPIE source Oct 30 23:56:43 for the machine Oct 30 23:56:46 like palm.c or whatever Oct 30 23:56:50 BobOfDoom: silly opie Oct 30 23:56:50 :) Oct 30 23:58:09 http://fisheye3.atlassian.com/browse/~raw,r=853/hackndev/OE/com.hackndev/packages/libopie/libopie2/palm.patch Oct 30 23:58:12 ^ ah ha! Oct 30 23:58:16 thought so Oct 30 23:58:48 sillinessss Oct 30 23:58:49 :) Oct 30 23:59:09 then again Oct 30 23:59:15 ever device has its own world of buttons Oct 30 23:59:22 not really sure how better to do it Oct 30 23:59:25 other than a config FILE Oct 30 23:59:28 not a patch to src Oct 30 23:59:39 yep Oct 30 23:59:43 agreed Oct 30 23:59:51 raster: wanna rewrite? ;b Oct 31 00:01:47 does any device in 2.6.27 have working PM? I'm a bit confused Oct 31 00:02:29 Sleep_Walker: yeah. it's called enlightenment :) Oct 31 00:03:00 ohh, enlightement Oct 31 00:03:03 I tried it once Oct 31 00:03:06 hehehe Oct 31 00:03:18 slow, to much grafic sugar Oct 31 00:03:26 Sleep_Walker: umm.. look at slapin's upstream patches for z72 Oct 31 00:03:37 it wasn't usable with 64 megs of memory Oct 31 00:03:44 that's probably the most cleaned up PM stuff in 2.6.27 Oct 31 00:03:44 ok Oct 31 00:03:54 or wait.. I dunno if they've been merged yet Oct 31 00:03:54 thx Oct 31 00:04:00 Sleep_Walker: dude. i run it on my treo650 Oct 31 00:04:02 * BobOfDoom hunts Oct 31 00:04:29 with room to kill Oct 31 00:04:45 raster: really? do you use BCM2122 as second core instead of GSM functions? Oct 31 00:04:53 hahaha Oct 31 00:04:54 no Oct 31 00:05:28 overclocking to 800 MHz? Oct 31 00:05:37 * raster shrugs Oct 31 00:05:41 try for yourself Oct 31 00:05:42 or not Oct 31 00:05:44 up to you Oct 31 00:05:50 :b Oct 31 00:05:54 yup Oct 31 00:06:01 relative to what u gett its about the leanest out there Oct 31 00:06:06 and there's still room to lean down Oct 31 00:06:09 but I won't miss opportunity to flame a bit :b Oct 31 00:06:19 nb Oct 31 00:06:35 the original e (e 0.1 -> 0.13) i did on a p120 with 32m ram Oct 31 00:06:40 so if it was that e Oct 31 00:06:48 i doubt your claims of "it cant run un 64m" Oct 31 00:06:49 :) Oct 31 00:06:55 it was developing it in 32m Oct 31 00:06:59 on a p120 Oct 31 00:07:14 0.14->0.16 were done on 300-500mhz era machines Oct 31 00:07:25 with 128->512m range Oct 31 00:07:25 I tested it on Palm Tungsten T3 2 years ago Oct 31 00:07:28 and that was room to kill Oct 31 00:07:39 e17 of course has been done on mubh bigger boxes Oct 31 00:07:47 but i've been aiming it at adapting ot embedded for a long time Oct 31 00:08:00 i put in all the hooks and bits Oct 31 00:08:06 just never turned them all on until recently Oct 31 00:08:12 Sleep_Walker: http://www.spinics.net/lists/arm-kernel/msg55527.html Oct 31 00:08:24 Sleep_Walker: also see http://www.spinics.net/lists/arm-kernel/msg55528.html Oct 31 00:09:26 on my t650 e + x11 + all the gfx (includes wm, launcher, panel, panel applets) dbus daemon and alarm daemon and other base system daemons use 11m Oct 31 00:13:35 BobOfDoom: thx Oct 31 00:13:59 raster: sounds really cool Oct 31 00:14:53 Sleep_Walker: raster even has video proof: http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-treo-650.avi :p Oct 31 00:15:30 BobOfDoom: surely fake ;b Oct 31 00:16:12 XD Oct 31 00:16:19 ok.. need to go to work Oct 31 00:16:22 cya laer Oct 31 00:17:01 bye Oct 31 00:17:22 photoshopped! Oct 31 00:19:43 raster: ok, quite nice Oct 31 00:19:54 but OPIE is really faster... Oct 31 00:24:18 not really Oct 31 00:24:56 if u consider that opia is more like win95 style display and e is more osx style with alpha blending, layers, overlays, etc. etc. Oct 31 00:26:47 I can understand that Oct 31 00:26:56 but I care about result speed... Oct 31 00:28:42 It will be valuable on some more powerfull machines Oct 31 00:29:17 thats the way things are going anyway Oct 31 00:29:24 and it is acceptably fast on the treo650 Oct 31 00:29:48 also note that i know we can optimise a fair bit more Oct 31 00:30:53 does it also have some bluetooth, irda applets, pim applications etc.? Oct 31 00:36:23 no Oct 31 00:36:48 working on the toolkit level and will be writing phone/sms stuff tho Oct 31 00:37:04 irda imho is pretty dead Oct 31 00:37:07 not worth it Oct 31 00:37:13 bt - leave that up to bluez and tools Oct 31 00:37:16 its not a whole stack Oct 31 00:37:22 unliek opie (qte/qtopia) Oct 31 00:37:30 u HAVE to write it for qte Oct 31 00:37:31 no choice Oct 31 00:37:34 u HAVE to wport Oct 31 00:37:35 this is e Oct 31 00:37:38 run any x app u like Oct 31 00:37:39 :) Oct 31 01:50:24 BT still can wake up device on Treo680 :) Oct 31 01:50:35 USB host wake? BT wake? Oct 31 02:07:09 BobOfDoom: there is change in behaviour of suspend/resume between 2.6.21 and 2.6.27 Oct 31 02:07:23 resume goes reset Oct 31 02:07:42 that can mean that it is ready to try some addresses (finally) Oct 31 02:09:47 IrDA code doesn't work without some init, but I can see no GPIO change on turning on/off Oct 31 02:10:13 gn Oct 31 02:18:56 BobOfDoom: hmmm Oct 31 02:19:00 your patch.. looks.,.. strange **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Oct 31 02:59:57 2008