**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Nov 06 02:59:57 2008
Nov 06 03:00:20 <flyback> https://cart.jbutler.com/sc_images/products/go-betweens3014angles_lg-naked.jpg <--- these are absoltely FUCKING AWESOME, the next coolest thing beside electric toothbrushes
Nov 06 03:00:50 <flyback> holy shit
Nov 06 03:00:56 * flyback is happy for 0.000000000000000000001 seconds
Nov 06 03:24:39 <flyback> canuck it
Nov 06 03:24:49 * flyback attempts to scrap up enough brain power to repair solder pda cable
Nov 06 03:30:43 <BobOfDoom> awesome my treo wifi dongle is appearing lsusb.. now to figure out how to upload firmware to it
Nov 06 03:31:27 <flyback> I told you guys
Nov 06 03:31:33 <flyback> intel pxa had a full usb
Nov 06 03:31:36 <flyback> AND I WAS RIGHT AGAIN
Nov 06 03:32:04 <BobOfDoom> flyback: indeed. :)
Nov 06 03:32:24 <flyback> I just need to repair my broken cable
Nov 06 03:32:30 * flyback warms up his $5 iron
Nov 06 03:32:38 <BobOfDoom> I knew it had full USB, but didn't realise you could use the USB client pins as host pins as well (cause there's seperate host pins)
Nov 06 03:33:44 <flyback> yeah I didn't know that
Nov 06 03:33:48 <flyback> or mabye I did
Nov 06 03:33:51 <flyback> I can't remeber now
Nov 06 03:33:55 <flyback> the brain decline is getting worse
Nov 06 03:33:58 <flyback> oh well :?
Nov 06 03:51:58 <flyback> bah wait till tomarrow
Nov 06 03:52:01 <flyback> not enough brain power
Nov 06 03:52:11 <flyback> I have a spacial defect in my brain since birth
Nov 06 03:52:15 <flyback> you know how like say
Nov 06 03:52:19 <flyback> you have a parallel port
Nov 06 03:52:22 <flyback> and it's numebred
Nov 06 03:52:24 <flyback> 1 to 25
Nov 06 03:52:30 <flyback> but it depends on which end you are looking at
Nov 06 03:52:42 <flyback> that throws my mind into a total look
Nov 06 03:52:43 <flyback> loop
Nov 06 03:53:24 <flyback>   
Nov 06 03:53:36 <flyback> hmm
Nov 06 03:53:45 <flyback> I wonder if usb flash would be faster than sd card
Nov 06 03:54:05 <flyback> I dunno what the sd max speed is in a palm t5 or tx
Nov 06 03:57:31 <BobOfDoom> given that it's not USB 2.0, I'd say it'd probably be slower unless PXA SD controller sucks really badly
Nov 06 03:58:05 <flyback> well that's what I mean't
Nov 06 03:58:24 <flyback> I happen to have a little 4000ma lithium pack
Nov 06 03:58:30 <flyback> I can use with a hub that can be powered
Nov 06 03:58:32 <flyback> this is perfect :P
Nov 06 03:58:42 <BobOfDoom> nice :)
Nov 06 03:59:17 <BobOfDoom> I'm using the treo's external power pin to power my wifi dongle, will probably reduce the phone's battery life a bit though
Nov 06 03:59:29 <BobOfDoom> and it doesn't work with all USB devices, as it's not 5V
Nov 06 03:59:52 <flyback> I wouldn't take the chance :P
Nov 06 03:59:59 <flyback> they make rechargable hubs now also
Nov 06 04:05:27 <BobOfDoom> woo.  showing up in ifconfig now :D
Nov 06 04:05:37 <BobOfDoom> now I just need iwconfig binary
Nov 06 04:36:32 <BobOfDoom> damn!
Nov 06 04:36:53 <BobOfDoom> looks like palm's power pin can't supply enough current
Nov 06 04:37:05 <BobOfDoom> dongle hangs when I turn on the antenna
Nov 06 04:37:13 <BobOfDoom> oh well.. it works with external power
Nov 06 04:37:17 <BobOfDoom> guess I'll have to add ab
Nov 06 04:37:20 <flyback> yeah don't fuck witht he palm
Nov 06 04:37:22 <flyback> not worth risk
Nov 06 04:37:23 <BobOfDoom> battery pack
Nov 06 04:37:27 <BobOfDoom> :(
Nov 06 04:37:31 <flyback> well you could probably use a charge pump
Nov 06 04:37:33 <flyback> and a single AA
Nov 06 04:37:47 <flyback> what is the max for usb 500ma
Nov 06 04:37:52 <BobOfDoom> and it looks so neat and tidy without the battery too :(
Nov 06 04:37:57 <flyback> so say you have a 1.2 v nimh 3000ma
Nov 06 04:37:58 <BobOfDoom> yeah
Nov 06 04:38:05 <flyback> you need a 4x charge pump
Nov 06 04:38:18 <flyback> to get 4.8 at 3000ma/4 = uh
Nov 06 04:38:20 <flyback> brain too tired
Nov 06 04:38:21 <flyback> help me
Nov 06 04:38:33 <flyback> you don't get more than 90-98% on a charge pump but you get the idea
Nov 06 04:38:42 <flyback> be at least 1-2 hrs
Nov 06 04:39:01 <BobOfDoom> yeah
Nov 06 04:39:13 <BobOfDoom> and it probably doesn't draw the full 500mA constantly
Nov 06 04:39:21 <flyback> actually
Nov 06 04:39:25 <flyback> you could use lipo also
Nov 06 04:39:30 <flyback> probably smaller than the dongle
Nov 06 04:39:31 <BobOfDoom> it's probably pretty low curernt when not transmitting
Nov 06 04:39:33 <flyback> even with the charge pump
Nov 06 05:03:16 <flyback> anyone here
Nov 06 05:03:23 <flyback> have the t5/tx treo usb sync cable?
Nov 06 05:03:30 <flyback> and can open it and tell me the wiring colors
Nov 06 05:09:34 <flyback> you can't hurt anything mixing up usb + and - correct?
Nov 06 05:09:36 <flyback> it just won't work
Nov 06 05:10:49 <BobOfDoom> flyback: right
Nov 06 05:11:03 <flyback> cool :)
Nov 06 05:11:10 <flyback> cause I can figure out the power and 2 grouns
Nov 06 05:11:14 <flyback> those are the nasty bits
Nov 06 05:11:34 <BobOfDoom> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athena_Connector <-- pinout
Nov 06 05:11:54 <flyback> not the end I am dealing with :P
Nov 06 05:12:15 <flyback> I wonder about that serial pins
Nov 06 05:12:19 <BobOfDoom> got a multimeter with connectivity testing?
Nov 06 05:12:20 <flyback> thjose might be useful also
Nov 06 05:12:21 <flyback> yep
Nov 06 05:12:52 <BobOfDoom> then you should be able to use that with the pinout to figure out which wire is connected to which pin
Nov 06 05:13:01 <BobOfDoom> and hence which is USB+ and -
Nov 06 05:13:12 <flyback> mabye :/
Nov 06 05:13:16 <flyback> I can't work backwards easily
Nov 06 05:13:29 <flyback> it's a limitation I have always had
Nov 06 05:13:32 <flyback> never has chaNGED
Nov 06 05:13:56 * BobOfDoom has a look to see whether he has an official palm cable somewhere
Nov 06 05:14:44 <flyback> it's almost like a dylexia almost
Nov 06 05:15:59 <flyback> i'm thinking something like xobee
Nov 06 05:16:03 <flyback> and save the usb for other stuff
Nov 06 05:16:52 <BobOfDoom> xobee?
Nov 06 05:17:18 <flyback> yeah zigbee with serial interface
Nov 06 05:17:44 <BobOfDoom> ah, and wire that to the serial pins? cool
Nov 06 05:17:57 * BobOfDoom has never used any zigbee stuff
Nov 06 05:18:35 <BobOfDoom> nah can't find a cable, I've been using after-market ones from ebay, cause they have all the pins
Nov 06 05:19:05 <BobOfDoom> the official ones (and some of the after-market ones too) that I've seen only have the USB pins in the connector, they're missing serial and all the other useful ones
Nov 06 05:23:37 <flyback> it's ok I am too damn tired right now anyways
Nov 06 05:34:56 <flyback> yeah i'm done
Nov 06 05:35:01 <flyback> my brain just isn't working anymore
Nov 06 05:41:46 <flyback> so cool
Nov 06 05:41:47 <flyback> http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.ke4nyv.com/sharp3000.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.ke4nyv.com/portapacket.htm&h=219&w=300&sz=8&hl=en&start=8&um=1&usg=___9CMjp0EiXDrsIDLQv_qYbsUDXw=&tbnid=XiMg-3wnfOp_FM:&tbnh=85&tbnw=116&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dpalm%2Btx%2Bsync%2Bcable%2Bwiring%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG
Nov 06 10:53:00 <Sleep_Walker> gm
Nov 06 10:53:12 * Sleep_Walker is curious what is attached to CS2 on Treo680
Nov 06 11:25:37 <rwhitby> FYI: the G1 can now be reflashed: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=442831
Nov 06 12:13:50 <Sleep_Walker> BobOfDoom: how did you get your PWM values?
Nov 06 12:14:27 <Sleep_Walker> I've got some haret/p dumps, but I'm not sure how to count right values...
Nov 06 12:14:52 <marex> Sleep_Walker, see pxa27x trm, there is a formula for that
Nov 06 12:18:38 <Sleep_Walker> I found that formula, but it gives me weird results and problem with negative value setting is still there
Nov 06 12:18:57 <Sleep_Walker> I think I have set weird period
Nov 06 12:29:36 <Sleep_Walker> BobOfDoom: how did you get MAX_INTENSITY value?
Nov 06 12:29:54 <Sleep_Walker> SD=0
Nov 06 12:29:55 <Sleep_Walker> PRESCALE=0
Nov 06 12:29:57 <Sleep_Walker> FD=0
Nov 06 12:29:58 <Sleep_Walker> DCYCLE=0x187
Nov 06 12:29:59 <Sleep_Walker> PV=0x310
Nov 06 12:30:09 <Sleep_Walker> these are values got from PWM registers
Nov 06 12:30:49 <grindars> i still can't configure PAN networking. on host side i run  pand -sn -u /sbin/ifup -o /sbin/ifdown, on device pand -c '00:0A:3A:55:9D:D8' -u /sbin/ifup -o /sbin/ifdown
Nov 06 12:31:01 <grindars> log at host says
Nov 06 12:31:01 <grindars> pand[15987]: Bluetooth PAN daemon version 2.25
Nov 06 12:31:01 <grindars> pand[16459]: New connection from 11:22:33:44:55:66 bnep0
Nov 06 12:31:12 <grindars> at device Nov  6 15:26:55 pand[542]: Bluetooth PAN daemon version 3.36
Nov 06 12:31:12 <grindars> Nov  6 15:26:55 pand[542]: Connecting to 00:0A:3A:55:9D:D8
Nov 06 12:31:12 <grindars> Nov  6 15:26:56 pand[542]: bnep0 connected
Nov 06 12:31:33 <grindars> interfaces are configured properly, but no packets passes
Nov 06 12:35:04 <grindars> why?
Nov 06 12:42:40 <rwhitby> ip_forward set?
Nov 06 12:43:21 <grindars> i don't need it now
Nov 06 13:29:51 <Sleep_Walker> we have here two aussies, right? :D http://www.bash.org/?13213
Nov 06 13:29:54 <Sleep_Walker> fuck
Nov 06 13:29:56 <Sleep_Walker> :D
Nov 06 14:22:25 <grindars> fuck
Nov 06 14:30:57 <Sleep_Walker> :)
Nov 06 16:59:00 <Sleep_Walker> BobOfDoom: you have mentioned in http://hackndev.com/trac/wiki/Treo680Hardware , section specifications GSM phone module that it is connected via USB - you have some news or it is just outdated?
Nov 06 17:29:02 * flyback shoves his foot up marex's ass
Nov 06 17:29:12 <flyback> that's for all of you who told me the pxa270 didn't have a full usb port
Nov 06 17:29:16 <flyback> and I said it did
Nov 06 17:30:06 <Sleep_Walker> flyback: maybe it's because nobody listen you! :)
Nov 06 17:30:36 * Sleep_Walker kicks flyback to his ass because he doesn't scream loud enough
Nov 06 17:33:52 <marex> whoa ... macrokeys are great
Nov 06 17:39:44 <flyback> kick me al you want, you were still wrong
Nov 06 17:39:52 <Sleep_Walker> :D
Nov 06 17:40:34 <Sleep_Walker> KickMeIFlyBack :)
Nov 06 17:41:04 <flyback> i'm not going to be around much longer anyways
Nov 06 17:41:11 <Sleep_Walker> why so?
Nov 06 17:44:13 <flyback> things are not going well for me
Nov 06 17:51:17 <marex> flyback, so you tested in on T5 ?
Nov 06 17:51:37 <marex> s/in/it/
Nov 06 17:51:59 <flyback> not yet
Nov 06 17:52:05 <flyback> my usb sync cable is broken
Nov 06 17:52:12 <flyback> I was too sleep deprived last night to solder it
Nov 06 17:52:16 <marex> flyback, I see ... so you have no proof it works
Nov 06 17:52:21 <flyback> would have ended up soldering my fingers again :/
Nov 06 17:52:22 <flyback> dude
Nov 06 17:52:31 <flyback> it has the same pxa270 the tx etc have
Nov 06 17:52:52 <marex> and it does work on tx ?
Nov 06 17:53:06 <flyback> I thought it was tested on a tx already
Nov 06 17:53:07 <Sleep_Walker> |miska| didn't confirm it yet
Nov 06 17:53:24 <flyback> when I test it marex I will send you logs
Nov 06 17:53:37 <Sleep_Walker> we were discussing needed kernel changes
Nov 06 17:53:38 <flyback> I want to help the developers
Nov 06 17:53:54 <flyback> anyone played with the serial pins yet?
Nov 06 17:54:02 <flyback> there's another source of i/o on the connector
Nov 06 17:54:11 <marex> flyback, I see ... so you just wanted to insult me ... then apologize
Nov 06 17:54:19 <flyback> no
Nov 06 17:54:24 <flyback> i AM just joking really
Nov 06 17:54:27 <flyback> giving you a hard time
Nov 06 17:54:29 <Sleep_Walker> I have now MUC connector, I'll try it soon
Nov 06 17:54:37 <flyback> because you guys all told me the chip didn't have a full usb port
Nov 06 17:54:40 <flyback> swore at me etc
Nov 06 17:54:55 <Sleep_Walker> and I have |miska|'s handsfree for TX - I'll test it too
Nov 06 17:54:56 <flyback> Sleep_Walker, if you mean the serial pins remeber it's ttl +3.3 serial
Nov 06 17:55:00 <marex> flyback, etc. nothing ... you just came and insulted me ...
Nov 06 17:55:04 <flyback> dude
Nov 06 17:55:08 <Sleep_Walker> flyback: sure...
Nov 06 17:55:15 <flyback> I guess it's because you are .cz
Nov 06 17:55:22 <flyback> you don't understand american culture jokes
Nov 06 17:55:23 <flyback> I am sorry
Nov 06 17:55:31 * flyback shakes marex's hand
Nov 06 17:55:57 <marex> Sleep_Walker, you are .cz as well ... looks like you are the same imbecile as I am ...
Nov 06 17:56:04 <flyback> imbecile?
Nov 06 17:56:06 <flyback> not at all
Nov 06 17:56:11 <flyback> I Have aspergers marex
Nov 06 17:56:13 <flyback> you know what that is
Nov 06 17:56:18 <flyback> I constantely misunderstand people
Nov 06 17:56:33 <marex> flyback, yea ... and it's pretty much your problem
Nov 06 17:56:43 <marex> moreover ... I really dislike americans, bear with it
Nov 06 17:56:47 <flyback> not for much longer
Nov 06 17:56:54 <flyback> i'm losing my mind
Nov 06 17:57:03 <marex> I can ban you anytime
Nov 06 17:57:11 <flyback> doesn't matter
Nov 06 17:57:22 <flyback> I am starting to have altimerez like symptoms
Nov 06 17:57:27 <flyback> I probably got a few yrs left
Nov 06 17:57:29 <flyback> oh well :/
Nov 06 17:57:31 <Sleep_Walker> flyback: head up
Nov 06 17:57:50 <flyback> I don't want to live anymore anyways
Nov 06 17:58:39 <marex> flyback, then just end it ... noone is interested in your blahs anyway
Nov 06 17:58:47 <Sleep_Walker> flyback: you can't compare .cz and US just because of Marex
Nov 06 17:58:52 <flyback> God doesn't allow sucide
Nov 06 17:58:54 <flyback> dude
Nov 06 17:59:00 <flyback> I WAS NOT FUCKING INSULTING .CZ
Nov 06 17:59:05 <flyback> i was just saying
Nov 06 17:59:10 <flyback> mabye he took me joking around as a insult
Nov 06 17:59:15 <Sleep_Walker> I can read logs too
Nov 06 17:59:18 <flyback> because he's not familiar with some american humor
Nov 06 17:59:25 <Sleep_Walker> no, the problem is that Marex is Marex
Nov 06 17:59:26 <flyback> that's not saying he's better or worse than us
Nov 06 17:59:30 <flyback> that too
Nov 06 17:59:34 <flyback> he's always wanted to be insulted
Nov 06 17:59:38 <Sleep_Walker> that's his gift and curse
Nov 06 17:59:58 <flyback> HE'S Brilliant though
Nov 06 18:00:12 <flyback> palm should hire him
Nov 06 18:00:25 <Sleep_Walker> flyback: well, comunity needs Bob or Farcaller
Nov 06 18:00:34 <Sleep_Walker> somebody to share that knowledge
Nov 06 18:00:49 <Sleep_Walker> Marex is like Koen - one-man-show :)
Nov 06 18:00:52 <flyback> my mom just got a IIC from my pastor
Nov 06 18:01:04 <flyback> so I am going to try to revive my old IIIxe or the IIIx she got but dropped
Nov 06 18:01:19 <flyback> both of them need new displays and my IIIXe has a stroke but it's repairable
Nov 06 18:01:31 <flyback> the flash rom sector 0 is corrupt so the cpu can't even init
Nov 06 18:01:49 <flyback> if I fix one of those giving it to my dad
Nov 06 18:02:00 <flyback> yeah they are all m68k pda's but fine for them
Nov 06 18:02:04 <flyback> wish I could run linux on them :P
Nov 06 18:02:08 <Sleep_Walker> is it still usable?
Nov 06 18:02:16 <flyback> no it doesn't even start up
Nov 06 18:02:23 <Sleep_Walker> well, I mean compared with recent Palms
Nov 06 18:02:31 <flyback> well m68k is like 386 or 286
Nov 06 18:02:34 <flyback> forget video etc
Nov 06 18:02:37 <flyback> but for basic pda stuff
Nov 06 18:02:38 <flyback> fine
Nov 06 18:02:45 <Sleep_Walker> I got it for reading books
Nov 06 18:02:52 <flyback> my boss still uses his b/w m68k palm
Nov 06 18:02:53 <Sleep_Walker> long battery living
Nov 06 18:02:54 <flyback> just for alarms
Nov 06 18:03:01 <flyback> yeah they can run month on 2 AA
Nov 06 18:03:06 <Sleep_Walker> :)
Nov 06 18:03:21 <flyback> the only thing I am worried about with the IIIc is the lithium battery but ut's only $15 online
Nov 06 18:03:25 <flyback> so I might just replace it now for her
Nov 06 18:03:29 <flyback> even if the old one isn't bad
Nov 06 18:04:05 <flyback> i'm sorry marex if you feel insulted all the time
Nov 06 18:04:07 <flyback> but I will tell you this
Nov 06 18:04:10 <flyback> believe me or not
Nov 06 18:04:22 <flyback> the last build of wtf ever opie, whatever it's called now
Nov 06 18:04:30 <flyback> was pretty close to 100% usuable on my t5
Nov 06 18:04:38 <flyback> so very impressive and nice job
Nov 06 18:05:05 <flyback> I think the problem I ran into was lack of swap
Nov 06 18:05:07 <marex> flyback, look ... this has nothing to do with culture nor me feeling insulted ... you behaviour is just broken
Nov 06 18:05:25 <flyback> well I know this also :/ but you seem to be easily annoyed more than others
Nov 06 18:05:32 <flyback> it's another reason I just want to die
Nov 06 18:05:54 <flyback> there was a girl in hs 15-16 I took to the prom, but never more than friends and it still bothers me :/
Nov 06 18:06:05 <flyback> I was so out of it back then
Nov 06 18:06:09 <flyback> if you think it's bad now :/
Nov 06 18:06:33 <flyback> but anyways this isn't #flybackslifesux
Nov 06 18:06:53 <flyback> probably after I get back from my weekly allergy shot
Nov 06 18:07:03 <flyback> I will fire up my t5 and plug usb devices into
Nov 06 18:07:10 <flyback> and post up the logs on yousendit or something
Nov 06 18:07:50 <flyback> one quick question, any chance of fixing it so when you exit out of linux os it doesn't reset the clock to 1942?
Nov 06 18:08:30 <Sleep_Walker> flyback: maybe if you can not to hard reset
Nov 06 18:08:46 <Sleep_Walker> but hard reset is fine for setting all back to PalmOS
Nov 06 18:08:51 <flyback> that's waht I do
Nov 06 18:08:54 <flyback> I hit shutdown
Nov 06 18:09:00 <flyback> then when it says ok to hard reset
Nov 06 18:09:06 <flyback> I use the reset button
Nov 06 18:09:58 <Sleep_Walker> I can't imagine how you write correct memory contents into RAM, setting whole HW and finishing Cocoboot application back :D
Nov 06 18:10:18 <flyback> oh I know
Nov 06 18:10:21 <flyback> that's very hard work
Nov 06 18:10:30 <flyback> espically when the chip makers and palm don't tell you
Nov 06 18:10:31 <Sleep_Walker> maybe it is possible with some really ugly and hard hack
Nov 06 18:10:33 <flyback> I am not complaining
Nov 06 18:10:38 <flyback> just asking for answers :)
Nov 06 18:10:45 <flyback> I am very impressed with everyone's work
Nov 06 18:10:59 <flyback> there actually is a linux port for mmuless m68k
Nov 06 18:11:00 <Sleep_Walker> exactly - to do that you need to know very well PalmOS stuff
Nov 06 18:11:06 <flyback> but not really enough ram to do anything :P
Nov 06 18:11:08 <Sleep_Walker> uclinux?
Nov 06 18:11:19 <flyback> most have 4 or 8 ram :P no flash
Nov 06 18:11:25 <flyback> yes
Nov 06 18:11:35 <marex> Sleep_Walker, backing up ram would be just fine I suppose ... softreset should handle the rest
Nov 06 18:11:37 <Sleep_Walker> that was first linux for Palm I have seen :)
Nov 06 18:11:37 <flyback> although it would be fine to turn pda into controller box
Nov 06 18:11:45 <flyback> to run robot etc
Nov 06 18:12:04 <Sleep_Walker> marex: so cocoboot stuff is done clean?
Nov 06 18:12:28 <Sleep_Walker> there is no need to reset  because of dirty work with memory?
Nov 06 18:12:32 <marex> what do you mean ... you'd have to suspend linux to disk, restore ram and reboot the device
Nov 06 18:12:41 <marex> that way you'd be back to where you were in palmos
Nov 06 18:13:06 * flyback would like to get rid of palm os eventually and also have that 256meg disk on chip to use in linux
Nov 06 18:13:11 <Sleep_Walker> too much work and too less effect :/
Nov 06 18:13:13 <marex> it'd work the other way too ... I actually wanted to try experimental bootloading over suspend/palmos loader but never got to it
Nov 06 18:13:25 <flyback> marex as long as I can't perm brick my pda
Nov 06 18:13:31 <flyback> I wouldn't mind testing buggy code on weekends etc
Nov 06 18:13:38 <flyback> if you need someone to
Nov 06 18:14:41 <flyback> this is cool
Nov 06 18:14:42 <flyback> http://www.ke4nyv.com/portapacket.htm
Nov 06 18:15:58 <marex> I dont ... and i dont have time to hack on palm devices now
Nov 06 18:16:13 <flyback> I understand :)
Nov 06 18:16:21 <marex> no you dont
Nov 06 18:20:39 <Sleep_Walker> hey, no bugs at all! ;)
Nov 06 18:20:55 <Sleep_Walker> http://hackndev.com/trac/report/6
Nov 06 18:31:19 <flyback> hey marex and sleep
Nov 06 18:31:25 <flyback> would either of you have the internal wiring for the Palm Multi-Connector
Nov 06 18:31:26 <Sleep_Walker> ?
Nov 06 18:31:44 <flyback> I figure out ALL The wires except usb + and usb -
Nov 06 18:31:45 <Sleep_Walker> z72ka_ntb: hi! long time no see
Nov 06 18:32:29 <Sleep_Walker> flyback: you mean this one? http://pinouts.ru/PDA/palm_treo650_pinout.shtml
Nov 06 18:32:32 <z72ka_ntb> Sleep_Walker, I know, sorry, I am hard worker...
Nov 06 18:32:48 <Sleep_Walker> z72ka_ntb: I'm Sleep_Worker ;)
Nov 06 18:32:49 <flyback> no I mean inside a cable
Nov 06 18:32:54 <flyback> like the hotsync cable it comes with
Nov 06 18:32:54 <z72ka_ntb> Sleep_Walker, Check hackndev-cz tab please
Nov 06 18:33:49 <Sleep_Walker> checked
Nov 06 18:34:18 <Sleep_Walker> flyback: hmmm, I don't understand at all, sorry
Nov 06 18:34:25 <Sleep_Walker> but it surely is fine
Nov 06 18:34:57 <flyback> the wires that go inside the cable you attach to that connector
Nov 06 18:34:58 <flyback> sorry
Nov 06 18:35:22 <flyback> anyone have a cable they can take the cover off
Nov 06 18:35:25 <flyback> and tell me the color wire order
Nov 06 18:41:49 <flyback> I should probably buy a bunch now while I can
Nov 06 18:42:14 <flyback> Sleep_Walker,  I need like the inside of this
Nov 06 18:42:15 <flyback> http://learninginhand.com/blog/images/071706MicrophoneL.jpg
Nov 06 18:42:53 <Sleep_Walker> I don't have this cable
Nov 06 18:43:10 <Sleep_Walker> I have smaller MUC and with only some pins
Nov 06 18:43:21 <flyback> now this is a good idea
Nov 06 18:43:21 <flyback> http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/8335/tech-center-labs-tx-adapter-for-treo-headset-review/
Nov 06 18:43:30 <flyback> way to bypass broken headphone jack
Nov 06 18:43:57 <Sleep_Walker> I just have one from |miska|
Nov 06 18:44:43 <flyback> this is what I need to know
Nov 06 18:44:43 <flyback> http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_TL0v_aPITww/SMrduyC-QfI/AAAAAAAAAG4/g-0Bun4VrY8/s1600-h/232b.jpg
Nov 06 18:44:45 <flyback> :P
Nov 06 18:45:45 <flyback> I guess i can check the usb side and figure out what color is usb + and usb -
Nov 06 18:45:50 <flyback> then line up with the pins on the palm
Nov 06 18:46:57 <flyback> btw I have some of these
Nov 06 18:46:58 <flyback> http://www.howardforums.com/archive/topic/471459-1.html
Nov 06 18:47:14 <flyback> they work great for convert +5 ttl and +3.3 ttl serial into usb rs232 emulation
Nov 06 18:47:40 <flyback> back another time
Nov 06 20:03:10 * Sleep_Walker is really confused by Treo680 and pwm-backlight behaviour :(
Nov 06 22:55:05 <Sleep_Walker> back again
Nov 06 22:55:20 <Sleep_Walker> BobOfDoom: alive?
Nov 06 22:55:51 <Sleep_Walker> I went through PWM and PWM_backlight code deeply and it's really weird
Nov 06 23:18:36 <Sleep_Walker> there is no clock setting at all
Nov 06 23:21:24 <Sleep_Walker> there are only some virtual values, which are not used for PWM
Nov 06 23:22:33 <Sleep_Walker> it get clock settings, count period value and duty cycle length is just some fraction of that
Nov 06 23:23:06 <Sleep_Walker> but I can't understand then, why that PWM control is inverted
Nov 06 23:23:50 <Sleep_Walker> highest backlight settings means no backlight, zero backlight value means full backlight
Nov 07 00:09:12 <marex> Sleep_Walker, it might be gated somewhere to get some more gain available
Nov 07 00:12:31 <flyback> half way done repairing the usb cable :)
Nov 07 00:31:30 <flyback> cable works :)
Nov 07 00:31:34 <flyback> time to make powered usb hub
Nov 07 00:39:12 <Sleep_Walker> good luck with that
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