**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Dec 04 02:59:57 2008 Dec 04 03:14:24 * flyback says hell yes to the sausage sandwitch but chews very carefull after the tooth pull Dec 04 13:09:33 slapin, can you help with modbus RTU/TCP driver for wincc? Dec 04 14:00:22 fdv_, I never seen this driver. btw, why you're going to run modbus via kernel? it is better using userspace, if you have proper support on UART level. Dec 04 14:20:09 it fow windows Dec 04 14:20:11 for Dec 04 14:21:08 WinCC is Siemens SCADA for windows Dec 04 22:14:17 bluelightning, hi, check ML Dec 04 22:15:59 marex: hi, will do Dec 04 22:16:08 btw I just bought a palmtx on ebay :) Dec 04 22:17:13 marex: what's ts_calibrate? Dec 04 22:17:17 bluelightning, nice ... you can fix the wifi firmware loader and nand flash driver ;-) Dec 04 22:17:21 argh Dec 04 22:17:43 tslib's calibration tool ... it's a bit more useful than opie calibrate Dec 04 22:17:57 it takes multiple samples so the display is calibrated more accuratelly Dec 04 22:18:12 bluelightning, hehe ... sorry for abusing your happiness ;) Dec 04 22:18:31 well, that's probably a good thing, but the problem is not in the calibration itself Dec 04 22:18:40 it's how the ts randomly goes out of calibration Dec 04 22:19:20 yup ... ts_calibrate doesnt have issues with it ;) Dec 04 22:19:51 unless ts_calibrate runs all of the time I don't see how it could help Dec 04 22:20:03 Im not really sure, but maybe you can throw away the old opie code and base the new calibration stuff upon ts_calibrate ? Dec 04 22:21:12 bluelightning, the way I do it if opie goes crazy is, that I just run ts_calibrate before opie, then when booting, calibrate the touchscreen and after that start opie (which doesnt ask for calibration since /etc/tscal already exist) Dec 04 22:24:04 I have found sometimes it occurs on resume though Dec 04 22:24:29 I see ... then it might be Qt's issue Dec 04 22:24:57 bluelightning, I thought he has issues with the calibration process itself ... sorry then Dec 04 22:25:13 marex: yes, I suspect it's in qt Dec 04 22:28:59 bluelightning, have you tried with 2.3.12 ? Dec 04 22:29:15 no, but I was led to believe 2.3.11+ are buggy Dec 04 22:29:24 bluelightning, dunno, but it might be worth fixing that png issue there Dec 04 22:29:30 I don't know in what way though Dec 04 22:29:34 png issue? Dec 04 22:29:37 yes, I heard about it too Dec 04 22:29:52 well I was told there was png loading issue ... dunno any details though Dec 04 22:30:15 iirc opie was unable to start as all when I last tried with 2.3.12, but that might have had other reasons Dec 04 22:30:20 why dont you give it a try ? Dec 04 22:30:56 or maybe try diffing .10 and .11 then .11 and .12 and see the differences (and also where the bug might be) Dec 04 22:37:44 I will give it a try sometime when I get a spare moment Dec 04 22:38:27 yes ... that's the worst ... I havent had a spare time since last month :/ Dec 04 22:39:28 usually I have time over christmas, but this year I am going away and then straight back to work when I get back Dec 04 22:39:59 bluelightning, lucky you ... I wont have time over xmas at all :/ I have examination period shortly after Dec 04 22:40:18 harsh :/ Dec 04 22:40:26 best of luck, I'm sure you won't need it :) Dec 04 22:41:00 I'll need all the goddesses of luck to be with me ... if not, Im done for Dec 04 22:42:07 anyway, after that, I might end up doing certain project I though quite some time about Dec 04 22:42:47 that's be implementing a window manager on top of linux framebuffer, that'd have API compatible with palmos API Dec 04 22:43:21 I'd like to tweak the appearence a little and also make it multitasking of course, but othervise, I like the palmos quite a bit Dec 04 22:43:54 I think palm somehow has the best fitting OS for embedded devices so far ... though it has it's limitations Dec 04 22:45:18 iow the palmos launcher for example is fine, since you can control it with bare fingers and it's simplicity and straightforwardness makes it really easy to use Dec 04 22:45:53 just reimplementing the lower "taskbar" into something more useful would do the trick I guess Dec 04 22:47:01 this is what I'd like to achieve - a simple gui with which you can just pull the device from you pocket, tap here, there and there you go, you got what you wanted Dec 04 22:48:19 hmm Dec 04 22:49:48 bluelightning, opie is quite close to this concept, but it's more like desktop environment ... that is - something you use to transform your handheld into mobile pc Dec 04 22:50:26 I suppose Dec 04 22:50:48 where specifically do you see deficiencies in the opie system for handheld use? Dec 04 22:53:07 bluelightning, I never said I see deficiencies ... it's just still too advanced Dec 04 22:54:06 well some of it must be something like "I want to do this, but it takes me X steps on my palm vs. X+5 steps on Opie" Dec 04 22:54:14 the codebase is rotting, that's slightly the issue here ... and opie2 is a no-go :T Dec 04 22:54:27 well, it's on life support, yes Dec 04 22:55:28 I'm not saying you shouldn't do it, but I do believe you should think and plan very carefully before starting yet another environment Dec 04 22:55:56 and I don't say that just because I think that you should contribute to opie instead :) Dec 04 22:55:58 bluelightning, yes, i know ... well that's a plan for Q2/2009 Dec 04 22:56:17 it might end up totally differently Dec 04 22:56:23 we have 3+ envs started just for the OpenMoko devices alone Dec 04 22:56:43 yup ... but I though of writing something really lightweight Dec 04 22:57:17 you see ... some really simple toolkit right on top of linuxfb Dec 04 22:58:04 (with a windowing manager of course) Dec 04 22:59:52 surely there must be at least a lightweight toolkit available that you could use? fltk? Dec 04 23:00:42 well I want it to be compatible with that palmos api (so I can just take some apps right from palmos) Dec 04 23:01:09 ah, I see Dec 04 23:01:15 with recompilation of course ... moreover I know palmos api isnt all that great, but it might be useful Dec 04 23:01:40 ie. it can be used by people wanting to run their palmos apps on their pc once again Dec 04 23:02:58 you are keen to avoid any abstraction layers I guess Dec 04 23:04:17 bluelightning, well I'd like to have support for multiple apps running in parallel (which palmos cant ... at least by legal means) so this will have to be thought over first Dec 04 23:04:44 I think a server-client model would do for this - have server that's handle the clients (apps) and display what's necessary Dec 04 23:19:19 marex Dec 04 23:19:23 what do you mean you are done for? Dec 04 23:19:29 what's wrong bro Dec 04 23:20:17 appears to be getting a free voice upgrade for his garmin, woot Dec 04 23:27:47 * flyback brb Dec 05 00:09:11 * flyback has so had it with ubuntu freaking stupid permission system, he is ready to hunt down and kill a few developers Dec 05 00:48:30 * flyback starts repeately punching his computer Dec 05 00:56:49 * flyback is sick of the arrogant of software developers who think they are smarter than everyone else, he just wants to repeately smash their skulls in with his fists Dec 05 01:46:28 * flyback just tanked this box, later Dec 05 02:11:46 * flyback is pondering going back to school and changing careers Dec 05 02:15:35 * flyback having chest pain, bbl Dec 05 02:57:33 google change their video search algorithium again and it's more freaking stupid thana ever, goodnight **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Dec 05 02:59:58 2008