**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Feb 11 02:59:57 2009
Feb 11 03:21:40 <ferret_0567> builds.hackndev.com is down
Feb 11 03:21:46 <ferret_0567> where can I get the TP1?
Feb 11 03:34:26 <ferret_0567> |miska|: are you there?
Feb 11 05:38:57 <ferret_0567> builds.hackndev.com is down. Where can I get LifeDrive TP1?
Feb 11 06:33:37 <ferret_0567> where else can I download TP1?
Feb 11 18:47:04 <ferret_0567> where can I get TP1?
Feb 11 18:47:35 <ferret_0567> My Linux rootfs won't work until I can at least get the initrd out of TP1 and/or TP2
Feb 11 18:47:57 <Sleep_Walker> TP2 is on web
Feb 11 18:48:53 <ferret_0567> well...it does not include the initrd as a seperate file
Feb 11 18:49:15 <ferret_0567> I'd need to extract the initrd using objcopy for armv5te
Feb 11 18:51:53 <ferret_0567> or hmm...this code says align 4096 for eacxh section in the kernel
Feb 11 18:52:28 <ferret_0567> builds.hackndev.com is down, anyways
Feb 11 18:57:42 <ferret_0567> is TP2 newer than TP1?
Feb 11 19:09:35 <ferret_0567> hello farcaller
Feb 11 19:10:00 <ferret_0567> I notice that builds.hackndev.com is down right now
Feb 11 19:10:14 <farcaller> yeah
Feb 11 19:10:20 <ferret_0567> will it ever be back up?
Feb 11 19:10:29 <farcaller> and I can't remember where should it point to :-/
Feb 11 19:10:35 <ferret_0567> oh
Feb 11 19:10:55 <farcaller> I've seen your message earlier and gone on quick investigation
Feb 11 19:10:59 <ferret_0567> don't you have a list of all the DNS domains you have registered?
Feb 11 19:11:43 <farcaller> I have, but it's not there
Feb 11 19:11:54 <ferret_0567> weird
Feb 11 19:12:00 <farcaller> yup
Feb 11 19:13:41 <farcaller> in fact builds.hackndev.com is registered only on ns1.vpslink.com but not on ns1.hackndev.com
Feb 11 19:13:55 <farcaller> that means it was long ago since it died
Feb 11 19:14:12 <farcaller> I suppose - when old.hackndev.com became "old"
Feb 11 19:14:27 <ferret_0567> can't you email vpslink and ask them what vps builds.hackndev.com was on?
Feb 11 19:14:38 <ferret_0567> including the ip address?
Feb 11 19:14:49 <farcaller> I know that - same node where hackndev.com is now
Feb 11 19:15:07 <farcaller> but I can't find the backup for builds subdomain
Feb 11 19:15:16 <Sleep_Walker> ferret_0567: yes
Feb 11 19:15:16 <ferret_0567> oh
Feb 11 19:15:36 <Sleep_Walker> ferret_0567: btw. you probably don't need initrd
Feb 11 19:15:40 <Sleep_Walker> farcaller: hi!
Feb 11 19:15:44 <farcaller> Sleep_Walker: hello there
Feb 11 19:16:14 <ferret_0567> for some reason my kernel never sets up the framebuffer, and the LifeDrive appears to freeze when I boot it
Feb 11 19:19:51 <Sleep_Walker> ferret_0567: try to use clean TP2
Feb 11 19:20:11 <Sleep_Walker> but it's incredibly old and unstable :/
Feb 11 19:20:12 <ferret_0567> Sleep_Walker: I want to have a newer kernel with the border fix and stuff
Feb 11 19:20:35 <Sleep_Walker> ferret_0567: you mean that disabling white border?
Feb 11 19:20:39 <ferret_0567> Sleep_Walker: that's the problem, if I had my way, I'd be running the latest Opie right now
Feb 11 19:20:43 <ferret_0567> Sleep_Walker: yes
Feb 11 19:21:14 <Sleep_Walker> ferret_0567: I'll try to create my own build soon
Feb 11 19:21:23 <Sleep_Walker> based on Marex's recent work
Feb 11 19:21:34 <ferret_0567> Sleep_Walker: please put the initrd outside of the kernel
Feb 11 19:21:51 <ferret_0567> Sleep_Walker: I do not want the initrd inside the kernel image
Feb 11 19:21:54 <Sleep_Walker> ferret_0567: btw. you can try kEdAR's release :)
Feb 11 19:22:03 <ferret_0567> Sleep_Walker: where is that?
Feb 11 19:23:38 <Sleep_Walker> ferret_0567: here http://kedar.palmlinux.cz/test/k27x/
Feb 11 19:23:59 <Sleep_Walker> it should be cumulative release for all PXA27x PDAs
Feb 11 19:24:08 <Sleep_Walker> err s/PDAs/Palms/ :)
Feb 11 19:24:31 <marex> ferret_0567, TP2 can disable the white border around screen
Feb 11 19:24:40 <marex> there is an applet for it
Feb 11 19:25:14 <Sleep_Walker> that's right
Feb 11 19:25:14 <ferret_0567> marex: does it have the 324x484 resolution if you disable it?
Feb 11 19:25:22 <Sleep_Walker> ferret_0567: nope
Feb 11 19:25:29 <Sleep_Walker> marex just disabled border
Feb 11 19:26:39 <marex> Sleep_Walker, nah
Feb 11 19:27:06 <marex> ferret_0567, no, it turn black<->white (though sysfs it can do various other colours)
Feb 11 19:27:13 <marex> *through
Feb 11 19:28:28 <Sleep_Walker> when I'll have working buildsystem for LD, I'll try to use my 324x484 settings for LD
Feb 11 19:28:36 <Sleep_Walker> it should work - it's the same display
Feb 11 19:29:27 * marex needs to calm down
Feb 11 19:30:16 <Sleep_Walker> marex: take a deep breath and let it out slowly...
Feb 11 19:35:11 <ferret_0567> is there any way to change the font size of the framebuffer console while it's booting up?
Feb 11 19:35:49 <Sleep_Walker> ferret_0567: check kernel doc for that
Feb 11 19:36:26 <Sleep_Walker> it's set through kernel config, but if it is changable through kernel cmdline - I don't know
Feb 11 19:39:37 <marex> Sleep_Walker, once you'll see the article, you'll piss your pants as well
Feb 11 19:40:09 <ferret_0567> marex: what article?
Feb 11 19:41:18 <Sleep_Walker> marex: page? :)
Feb 11 19:41:51 <marex> Sleep_Walker, let's just say OpenBSD/Palm was founded a few minutes ago
Feb 11 19:42:37 <ferret_0567> marex: can you pm me the link?
Feb 11 19:42:46 * Sleep_Walker starts pissing my pants a lot!
Feb 11 19:43:02 <Sleep_Walker> well, his pants :D
Feb 11 19:43:04 <ferret_0567> damn, that sucks...
Feb 11 19:45:20 <marex> http://marex.hackndev.com/OpenBSD/p1000297.jpg
Feb 11 19:45:47 <farcaller> geez
Feb 11 19:45:51 <marex> git version of cocoboot can boot it
Feb 11 19:45:55 <marex> farcaller, hi ;)
Feb 11 19:46:03 <farcaller> hi Marek
Feb 11 19:46:11 <ferret_0567> WTF?
Feb 11 19:46:22 <ferret_0567> that _IS_ OpenBSD O.o!
Feb 11 19:46:43 <ferret_0567> now what?
Feb 11 19:46:53 <farcaller> now port DOS :)
Feb 11 19:46:53 <Sleep_Walker> now?
Feb 11 19:47:00 <Sleep_Walker> let's port FreeDOS!
Feb 11 19:47:08 <farcaller> it would be even _LESS_ useful than OpenBSD :D
Feb 11 19:47:09 <ferret_0567> ewww....no way
Feb 11 19:47:13 * Sleep_Walker is pissing his pants very hard!
Feb 11 19:47:30 <ferret_0567> how useful is OpenBSD on LifeDrive right now?
Feb 11 19:47:46 <Sleep_Walker> cocoboot is better than anyone even thought
Feb 11 19:52:04 <ferret_0567> marex: I see you are making some progress on USB2 on LD
Feb 11 19:52:52 <ferret_0567> if it's not as useful as Linux on LD, then I am going to sleep soundly tonight
Feb 11 19:53:35 <ferret_0567> how do you use USB console on Cocoboot?
Feb 11 19:53:56 <ferret_0567> I tried using minicom but no dice
Feb 11 19:58:12 <Sleep_Walker> ferret_0567: where is that marex's USB2 progress?
Feb 11 19:59:27 <ferret_0567> Sleep_Walker: http://old.hackndev.com/node/697
Feb 11 20:01:30 <marex> Sleep_Walker, there is some sx2_udc.c on my harddrive and some scheme somewhere in my heap of papers
Feb 11 20:02:04 <Sleep_Walker> ferret_0567: that is USB2 progress from 6.4.2007
Feb 11 20:02:12 <Sleep_Walker> almost two year old
Feb 11 20:02:24 <Sleep_Walker> marex: that is much more interesting :)
Feb 11 20:04:37 * farcaller was surprised to see hh.unicyb.kiev.ua still alive and even containing first (and olny) post about linux on tt3 :)
Feb 11 20:05:10 <farcaller> I wonder if university admins have the only backup dating end of 2005 and revert it every time things go bad :)
Feb 11 20:05:50 <Sleep_Walker> farcaller: it's in your cache only, there is nothing about that for years! ;b
Feb 11 20:06:16 <farcaller> XD
Feb 11 20:12:29 <marex> farcaller, how do you like it ? ;)
Feb 11 20:12:55 <farcaller> what?
Feb 11 20:12:56 <marex> I mean ... OpenBSD/Palm
Feb 11 20:12:58 <farcaller> ah
Feb 11 20:13:06 <marex> and Cocoboot/ELF
Feb 11 20:13:27 <farcaller> you see, a friend of mine is absolutely weird on openbsd and ibm notebooks
Feb 11 20:14:10 <marex> :D
Feb 11 20:14:14 <farcaller> my personal opinion is that openbsd should be used only on server hardware
Feb 11 20:14:18 <farcaller> only for server tasks
Feb 11 20:15:12 <marex> farcaller, and server palmld ;)
Feb 11 20:15:55 <farcaller> palmld with apache on openbsd is even more weird than gcc cluster on ipaqs :)
Feb 11 20:35:28 <ferret_0567> OpenBSD/Palm can't even boot to a GUI yet, right?
Feb 11 20:36:36 <Sleep_Walker> ferret_0567: you can run KDE with OpenBSD :D
Feb 11 20:36:49 <marex> OpenBSD/Palm cant even boot into commandline yet
Feb 11 20:37:02 <marex> but the kernel can start, which itself if enough
Feb 11 20:39:02 <ferret_0567> marex: good
Feb 11 22:00:22 <ferret_0567> marex: where can I get the initrd you used in TP2 besides from the kernel image inside TP2 (needs objcopy from armv5te to extract)
Feb 11 22:01:27 <marex> ferret_0567, arm-unknown-openbsd4.4-objcopy works too
Feb 11 22:01:51 <ferret_0567> marex: I don't have that
Feb 11 22:02:22 <marex> ferret_0567, codesourcery
Feb 11 22:31:40 <Sleep_Walker> did I miss something? :b
Feb 11 22:33:07 * farcaller_ has been trying to boot darwing on his tt3 but failed
Feb 11 22:33:35 <farcaller_> (because there's no Photos anymore in bigrom and I don't have fullflash)
Feb 11 22:37:00 <ferret_0567> farcaller_: don't you mean Darwin?
Feb 11 22:37:25 <farcaller_> yeah, darwin
Feb 11 22:37:27 <Sleep_Walker> farcaller_: hehe
Feb 11 22:37:44 <Sleep_Walker> farcaller_: plug external USB flash ;b
Feb 11 22:37:59 <Sleep_Walker> the windows way ;b
Feb 11 22:38:06 <farcaller> lol
Feb 11 22:45:13 <Sleep_Walker> http://www.myzombiepinup.com/ :)
Feb 11 23:06:53 <ferret_0567> marex: can I have the initrd used in the zImage in TP2? I want it sent to me over DCC
Feb 11 23:07:28 <marex> ferret_0567, I dont like the second sentence
Feb 11 23:08:25 <ferret_0567> marex: well then, I'll tell you where to send it in a PM
Feb 11 23:08:43 <marex> I dont like the first part of it actually
Feb 11 23:09:24 <ferret_0567> marex: why not?
Feb 11 23:10:00 <marex> ferret_0567, you are demanding something ... realize, you are NOT in any possition to be doing so
Feb 11 23:10:42 <ferret_0567> marex: what? I said "can I?"
Feb 11 23:10:43 <marex> you seriously don't mean to order me what I should do, do you ?
Feb 11 23:10:59 <marex> "I want it sent to me over DCC" seems pretty much like an order to me
Feb 11 23:11:18 <marex> anyway ... dig it out from the zImage, it shouldnt be such a hassle
Feb 11 23:11:45 <ferret_0567> I can't get it out of the zImage even when using binutils on the lifedrive
Feb 11 23:12:04 <ferret_0567> it says: unrecognized file format or some such
Feb 11 23:12:28 <ferret_0567> marex: no, I seriously didn't mean to order you to do something
Feb 11 23:12:30 <marex> use google then ... zImage extract initramfs
Feb 11 23:12:54 <marex> I dont have it handy and Im not going to look for it
Feb 11 23:49:28 <ferret_0567> marex: is this a angstrom initrd or heavily hacked initrd?
Feb 11 23:52:33 <marex> it's my own custom initrd
Feb 11 23:52:40 <marex> *initramfs
Feb 11 23:52:43 <marex> it's not initrd
Feb 11 23:54:04 <ferret_0567> I guess I'll just make my own initrd then
Feb 11 23:54:09 <ferret_0567> err...initramfs
Feb 11 23:54:20 <ferret_0567> I know how to do that
Feb 11 23:55:12 <marex> why havent you dont that a few hours ago then :E~
Feb 11 23:55:22 <marex> s/dont/done.
Feb 11 23:56:11 <ferret_0567> because I wanted your initramfs
Feb 11 23:59:08 <marex> you wanted ... oh ... I recall I already told you I dont have it handy
Feb 12 01:37:34 <ferret_0567> marex_: what programming languages are you fluent in?
Feb 12 01:39:02 <ferret_0567> marex_: also, maybe you will like the Colemak keyboard layout, I haven't tried it yet, but I hear it's very good
Feb 12 01:39:33 <marex_> ferret_0567, would you mind bothering me as least as possible? thanks
Feb 12 01:40:23 <Sleep_Walker> ferret_0567: interesting layout
Feb 12 01:40:42 <ferret_0567> marex_: oh,  I'm sorry
Feb 12 01:41:12 <ferret_0567> Sleep_Walker: all I need to do is find out if there is a Colemak layout for Opie and the Linux console
Feb 12 01:41:26 <Sleep_Walker> ferret_0567: there is probably not
Feb 12 01:41:26 <ferret_0567> Sleep_Walker: Colemak is included with Xorg
Feb 12 01:44:13 <ferret_0567> Sleep_Walker: since my desktop keyboards have pop off keys, I'll just rearrange the keys for Colemak
Feb 12 01:44:31 <ferret_0567> Sleep_Walker: as for the laptops, do you think I can rearrange those keys?
Feb 12 01:44:58 <Sleep_Walker> ferret_0567: it depends on laptop and your skills, not good question
Feb 12 01:46:32 <ferret_0567> Sleep_Walker: oh, then I want to know if I can rearrange them with little skills and where the laptop is a Dell Inspiron 1150
Feb 12 01:47:09 <Sleep_Walker> ferret_0567: still not good question, I don't know that laptop
Feb 12 01:47:16 <Sleep_Walker> shortly - I don't know
Feb 12 01:47:33 <Sleep_Walker> send me that laptop and I'll see what can I do with that :)
Feb 12 01:47:34 <marex_> shortly - noone cares
Feb 12 01:47:44 <marex_> or even more shortly - offtopic
Feb 12 01:47:51 <marex_> Sleep_Walker, :D
Feb 12 01:48:15 <Sleep_Walker> marex_: even more shortly - OT ;b
Feb 12 01:50:02 <marex_> ☠
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