**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Feb 23 02:59:58 2009
Feb 23 15:46:37 <mireux> hi
Feb 23 15:48:52 <mireux> I have a problem with linux on the treo 680
Feb 23 15:49:43 <mireux> someone here?
Feb 23 16:05:17 <Sleep_Walker> mierux: hi
Feb 23 16:06:40 <Sleep_Walker> sorry - I just played table footbal for a while
Feb 23 16:06:58 <Sleep_Walker> mireux: what sort of problem it is?
Feb 23 16:07:06 <Sleep_Walker> (suspend/resume is not implemented yet)
Feb 23 16:07:23 <univac> table footbal is good
Feb 23 16:07:33 <univac> but holdem poker is better :D
Feb 23 16:08:35 <Sleep_Walker> univac: not for me
Feb 23 16:10:05 <univac> ;p
Feb 23 16:41:24 <mireux> texas holdem is the best
Feb 23 16:42:25 <Sleep_Walker> mireux: speak here, please
Feb 23 16:42:41 <Sleep_Walker> I'm sitting here most of time
Feb 23 16:43:01 <Sleep_Walker> but I was on vacation...
Feb 23 16:45:01 <mireux> ok
Feb 23 16:45:07 <mireux> no problem
Feb 23 16:45:23 <mireux> I was here yesterday
Feb 23 16:45:24 <Sleep_Walker> mireux: so, tell me about your problems :b
Feb 23 16:45:27 <mireux> :)
Feb 23 16:45:47 <mireux> mom, I take my palm
Feb 23 16:47:05 <Sleep_Walker> did it hurt much?
Feb 23 16:47:06 <mireux> ok
Feb 23 16:47:10 <mireux> lol
Feb 23 16:47:30 <mireux> sry, wrong word
Feb 23 16:47:43 <mireux> I search my palm
Feb 23 16:47:48 <mireux> thats better
Feb 23 16:48:13 <mireux> the problem is that linux can't boot on my treo 680
Feb 23 16:48:35 <mireux> I have the angstromTreo650-v01 and the cocoboot from your friend
Feb 23 16:48:38 <mireux> from this channel
Feb 23 16:48:48 <mireux> I think that was miska
Feb 23 16:48:50 <Sleep_Walker> mireux: there wasn't any official release yet, but a lot of working things can be downloaded separately
Feb 23 16:48:52 <mireux> or another admin
Feb 23 16:49:10 <mireux> yeah, he told me that you have an image for the treo680
Feb 23 16:49:25 <Sleep_Walker> cocoboot is critical part - I've got my own version :/
Feb 23 16:49:28 <mireux> Iam really despaired
Feb 23 16:49:42 <mireux> Do you have an treo680?
Feb 23 16:50:11 <mireux> I test so much ways I find in the internet, but NOTHING works correctly
Feb 23 16:50:51 <Sleep_Walker> mireux: I have Treo680
Feb 23 16:50:59 <mireux> yeah
Feb 23 16:51:19 <mireux> you are the FIRST man
Feb 23 16:51:27 <mireux> It's unbelievable
Feb 23 16:51:33 <mireux> ;)
Feb 23 16:51:36 <Sleep_Walker> mireux: http://sleepwalker.hackndev.com/cocoboot.prc
Feb 23 16:51:39 <Sleep_Walker> try this one
Feb 23 16:51:46 <mireux> ok, mom I will try this
Feb 23 16:51:54 <Sleep_Walker> older, but mostly working
Feb 23 16:52:15 <Sleep_Walker> I'd rather consult it with Alex before commiting
Feb 23 16:52:30 <mireux> ok
Feb 23 16:52:43 <Sleep_Walker> mireux: you can also grab kernel here http://sleepwalker.hackndev.com/kernel/
Feb 23 16:53:04 <Sleep_Walker> it's packed in kEdAR's way, so using his rootfs should be easy
Feb 23 16:54:02 <mireux> just a moment, I will install cocoboot first ;)
Feb 23 16:54:31 <Sleep_Walker> there is also some newer version, but it's 2.6.28 based I think - so you would need partition for that
Feb 23 16:54:37 <mireux> linux and kpilot are the best way to do this
Feb 23 16:56:16 <mireux> what is kEdAR's way?
Feb 23 16:57:05 <Sleep_Walker> using squashfs-lzma images as read-only loopbacks and aufs for their unification with RAM disk
Feb 23 16:58:32 <mireux> sry sleep walker, Iam only a normal mortal
Feb 23 16:58:36 <mireux> :)
Feb 23 16:58:50 <mireux> one moment, backup is running for the treo
Feb 23 17:00:32 <Sleep_Walker> for normal mortal - running system from file, not from partitions
Feb 23 17:00:38 <Sleep_Walker> changes are stored separately
Feb 23 17:00:53 <mireux> ok, your version of cocoboot is installed
Feb 23 17:01:15 <Sleep_Walker> good luck
Feb 23 17:01:25 <mireux> I take the sd card from the palm and put them to the cardreader on my linux
Feb 23 17:02:03 <mireux> so I have the modules-k27x the ZImage and the initrd.k27
Feb 23 17:02:34 <mireux> sry for some stupid questions
Feb 23 17:02:38 <mireux> I hope you can help me
Feb 23 17:05:32 <mireux> must I compile this?
Feb 23 17:05:46 <Sleep_Walker> no compilation is needed
Feb 23 17:05:52 <Sleep_Walker> mmnt
Feb 23 17:05:57 <mireux> only copy the files to the card?
Feb 23 17:06:06 <mireux> mount?
Feb 23 17:07:00 <Sleep_Walker> mmnt = moment, please
Feb 23 17:07:05 <mireux> :) ok
Feb 23 17:26:10 <mireux> still here?
Feb 23 17:27:25 <mireux> ok, I will back in 10 minutes
Feb 23 17:34:41 <Sleep_Walker> ok, better now
Feb 23 17:35:14 <Sleep_Walker> unfortunately I'm working atm, so I've got my time fragmented into pieces...
Feb 23 17:39:15 <mireux> ok
Feb 23 17:39:17 <mireux> iam back now
Feb 23 17:39:45 <mireux> sry, i work with cisco devices additionally
Feb 23 17:40:01 <mireux> do you have a piece of time for me?
Feb 23 17:40:01 <mireux> :)
Feb 23 17:40:32 <mireux> or can you tell me when you have a little bit of time, then Iam back there
Feb 23 17:46:51 <Sleep_Walker> mireux: modules belongs to /linux2ram on card
Feb 23 17:47:00 <Sleep_Walker> zimage and initrd into /
Feb 23 17:47:10 <Sleep_Walker> then you need to download some rootfs image
Feb 23 17:47:23 <mireux> ahh
Feb 23 17:47:26 <mireux> you are back
Feb 23 17:47:38 <Sleep_Walker> for example this one
Feb 23 17:47:41 <Sleep_Walker> http://kedar.palmlinux.cz/linux2ram/rootfs-OpieMini20070719-xscale.squashfs
Feb 23 17:47:54 <mireux> sry, i havent an idea about the partition scheme of the sd card
Feb 23 17:48:07 <mireux> i think i must copy all the files to the root of the sd card
Feb 23 17:48:12 <Sleep_Walker> http://kedar.palmlinux.cz/linux2ram/modlist-OpieMini0719.txt
Feb 23 17:48:19 <mireux> sry, i have only the workarounds from the website
Feb 23 17:48:27 <Sleep_Walker> mireux: do you have linux?
Feb 23 17:48:33 <mireux> yes
Feb 23 17:48:38 <mireux> its my os
Feb 23 17:48:39 <Sleep_Walker> do you understand bash?
Feb 23 17:48:57 <mireux> a little bit
Feb 23 17:49:10 <mireux> do you mean the terminal?
Feb 23 17:49:21 <mireux> what is with the second link you send?
Feb 23 17:49:23 <Sleep_Walker> I mean Bourne-again shell
Feb 23 17:49:28 <mireux> http://files.kedar.palmlinux.cz/linux2ram/modlist-OpieMini0719.txt
Feb 23 17:49:48 <Sleep_Walker> that is some filelist for kEdAR's releases, also belongs to /linux2ram
Feb 23 17:50:21 <mireux> the /linux2ram is a folder that iam creating on the root of the sd card right?
Feb 23 17:50:30 <Sleep_Walker> yes
Feb 23 17:50:40 <mireux> must the sd card be formatted
Feb 23 17:50:44 <mireux> i have 2 folders on it
Feb 23 17:50:53 <mireux> dcim and palm
Feb 23 17:50:53 <Sleep_Walker> no need to format
Feb 23 17:51:04 <Sleep_Walker> just put that damn files there!
Feb 23 17:51:05 <Sleep_Walker> :b
Feb 23 17:51:06 <mireux> whats with the "bourne-again shell"?
Feb 23 17:51:13 <mireux> all files that you send?
Feb 23 17:51:21 <mireux> all files you send?
Feb 23 17:52:27 <Sleep_Walker> yes
Feb 23 17:53:04 <mireux> ok, the files initrd.k27x-sw1.gz, modules-k27..., rootfs-OpieMini... and the zImage  are in the /linux2ram folder on my sd card
Feb 23 17:53:12 <mireux> is that right?
Feb 23 17:53:15 <Sleep_Walker> nope
Feb 23 17:53:26 <Sleep_Walker> initrd and zImage are in root
Feb 23 17:53:29 <Sleep_Walker>  /
Feb 23 17:53:48 <mireux> the sd card has a fat16 partition
Feb 23 17:54:09 <mireux> and there are 3 folders, dcim, palm and linux2ram
Feb 23 17:54:31 <mireux> the sd card haven't an linux partition scheme
Feb 23 17:54:49 <Sleep_Walker> put http://kedar.palmlinux.cz/linux2ram/kedar_changes.squashfs http://kedar.palmlinux.cz/linux2ram/konqueror-embedded.squashfs also in /linux2ram
Feb 23 17:55:26 <Sleep_Walker> http://kedar.palmlinux.cz/linux2ram/dev_tt3.squashfs
Feb 23 17:55:28 <Sleep_Walker> also
Feb 23 17:55:32 <Sleep_Walker> that should be all
Feb 23 17:55:46 <Sleep_Walker> http://kedar.palmlinux.cz/cocoboot.conf into /
Feb 23 17:56:03 <mireux> ok, one moment, i will try this
Feb 23 17:56:47 <mireux> cocoboot.conf in the root right?
Feb 23 17:56:52 <Sleep_Walker> right
Feb 23 17:57:07 <mireux> please wait 2 minutes for me
Feb 23 17:57:07 <Sleep_Walker> but you need to edit it to use my kernel
Feb 23 17:57:15 <mireux> argh
Feb 23 17:57:23 <Sleep_Walker> no release yet :b
Feb 23 17:57:31 <mireux> ok, no problem, but..
Feb 23 17:58:02 <mireux> is it ok, that the sd card is fat16?
Feb 23 17:58:18 <Sleep_Walker> :D
Feb 23 17:58:25 <Sleep_Walker> mireux: I can live with that
Feb 23 17:58:28 <mireux> :) sry for stupid question
Feb 23 17:58:33 <mireux> s
Feb 23 17:58:34 <Sleep_Walker> and linux also
Feb 23 17:58:57 <mireux> Iam very confused with this, but I learned hard to manage this
Feb 23 17:59:00 <mireux> :)
Feb 23 17:59:07 <Sleep_Walker> sure... take your time
Feb 23 17:59:38 <mireux> ok, when I click on my mounted sd card then I put the initrd.k27... and the zImage into
Feb 23 17:59:52 <mireux> after this, I make a folder with the name linux2ram
Feb 23 18:00:26 <mireux> into this, I copy the dev_tt3... kedar_changes...konqueror....modules-k27...and the rootfs-Opie right?
Feb 23 18:00:48 <Sleep_Walker> right
Feb 23 18:00:58 <mireux> ok, I try this
Feb 23 18:02:16 <mireux> oh, I forget the cocoboot.conf
Feb 23 18:03:07 <mireux> cmdline = init=/linuxrc root=/dev/ram0 max_loop=255 ram=75% cpu=auto mod=modlist-OpieMini0719.txt net=192.168.0.231/24;192.168.0.1 dns=213.46.172.36;213.46.172.37
Feb 23 18:03:16 <mireux> whats with this?
Feb 23 18:03:29 <mireux> must I take the IP and the DNS?
Feb 23 18:03:38 <Sleep_Walker> that's configuration of Palm in Linux
Feb 23 18:04:01 <Sleep_Walker> if you don't want to use Internet on Palm, feel free to ignore it
Feb 23 18:04:23 <mireux> I must change the cmdline?
Feb 23 18:04:59 <mireux> the kernel is the k27, ok I will write this down in the cocoboot.conf
Feb 23 18:05:16 <Sleep_Walker> you don't need to change anything
Feb 23 18:05:20 <Sleep_Walker> but
Feb 23 18:05:28 <Sleep_Walker> initrd and kernel lines
Feb 23 18:05:37 <Sleep_Walker> if you don't
Feb 23 18:05:53 <Sleep_Walker> cocoboot will don't know you use my kernel and will be very angry
Feb 23 18:06:02 <mireux> lol
Feb 23 18:06:07 <Sleep_Walker> then you poor palm starts to burn
Feb 23 18:06:11 <mireux> one moment, i will change this
Feb 23 18:06:14 <Sleep_Walker> causes fire of your house
Feb 23 18:06:22 <mireux> and I will burn too
Feb 23 18:06:30 <Sleep_Walker> and you'll become only child only because of simple mistake
Feb 23 18:06:30 <mireux> then you have kill me
Feb 23 18:06:39 <mireux> killed
Feb 23 18:06:54 <mireux> strange shit
Feb 23 18:06:55 <mireux> :)
Feb 23 18:08:45 <mireux> you are a brilliant man
Feb 23 18:08:55 <mireux> it boot
Feb 23 18:09:02 <mireux> I can't believe it
Feb 23 18:09:27 <mireux> !
Feb 23 18:09:42 <mireux> would you like to marry me?
Feb 23 18:09:58 <mireux> ;9
Feb 23 18:10:00 <mireux> ;)
Feb 23 18:10:25 * Sleep_Walker is already married
Feb 23 18:11:31 <mireux> hehe
Feb 23 18:11:35 <mireux> that was a joke my friend
Feb 23 18:11:44 <mireux> my wife will kill me when she reads this letters
Feb 23 18:11:46 <mireux> ;)
Feb 23 18:15:04 <Sleep_Walker> mireux: she's already reading that ;)
Feb 23 18:15:17 <Sleep_Walker> whoa, that emails go so fast!
Feb 23 18:15:39 <mireux> hehe
Feb 23 18:15:40 <mireux> :)
Feb 23 18:15:53 <mireux> thats really great
Feb 23 18:16:16 <mireux> I can't still believe it
Feb 23 18:16:24 <Sleep_Walker> unfortunately - suspend/resume doesn't work
Feb 23 18:16:33 <mireux> ok
Feb 23 18:16:40 <Sleep_Walker> so - you shouldn't switch it off
Feb 23 18:16:54 <Sleep_Walker> but you can also make a phone call ;D
Feb 23 18:17:03 <mireux> I will come frequently to hackndev irc channel
Feb 23 18:17:15 <mireux> thats really great
Feb 23 18:17:16 <Sleep_Walker> we are all glad ;]
Feb 23 18:17:19 <Sleep_Walker> :D
Feb 23 18:17:27 <mireux> are you czech?
Feb 23 18:17:35 <Sleep_Walker> yeah
Feb 23 18:17:45 <mireux> iam german
Feb 23 18:17:51 <Sleep_Walker> I noticed it
Feb 23 18:17:51 <mireux> i hope this isn't a problem
Feb 23 18:17:56 <mireux> from what?
Feb 23 18:17:57 <mireux> :)
Feb 23 18:18:06 <Sleep_Walker> why it should be problem?
Feb 23 18:18:14 <Sleep_Walker> because you drink so weird beer? :D
Feb 23 18:18:16 <mireux> you know, the history and so things
Feb 23 18:18:19 <mireux> haha
Feb 23 18:18:29 <mireux> iam a bavarian, i drink the REAL bear
Feb 23 18:18:30 <mireux> beer
Feb 23 18:18:52 <mireux> but my job didn't allow me to drink so much
Feb 23 18:18:52 <Sleep_Walker> real beer?
Feb 23 18:18:54 <Sleep_Walker> pils? :D
Feb 23 18:18:55 <mireux> lol
Feb 23 18:18:57 <mireux> no pils
Feb 23 18:19:03 <mireux> "vollbier"
Feb 23 18:19:11 <mireux> "fullbeer" for example
Feb 23 18:19:18 <Sleep_Walker> and it's here again
Feb 23 18:19:20 <mireux> you didn't know this, i think
Feb 23 18:19:46 <Sleep_Walker> I probably know that
Feb 23 18:19:55 <Sleep_Walker> but it's not my cup of tea ;D
Feb 23 18:20:15 <mireux> ok, thats fine
Feb 23 18:20:26 <mireux> I drink tea too
Feb 23 18:20:29 <mireux> on the work
Feb 23 18:20:45 <mireux> by the way, how old are you?
Feb 23 18:20:52 <mireux> just for the information :)
Feb 23 18:21:09 <mireux> when you are married, I think you are 28
Feb 23 18:21:22 <univac> hm
Feb 23 18:21:57 <mireux> ok, its too indiscreet
Feb 23 18:21:58 <Sleep_Walker> 26+-epsilon I think
Feb 23 18:22:09 <mireux> you think right
Feb 23 18:22:11 <Sleep_Walker> it's not so easy question
Feb 23 18:22:15 <mireux> I'am 25
Feb 23 18:22:42 <Sleep_Walker> date +%Y
Feb 23 18:22:52 <Sleep_Walker> and then some calculations....
Feb 23 18:23:01 <Sleep_Walker> it's not easy
Feb 23 18:23:04 <mireux> haha
Feb 23 18:23:20 <mireux> mathematical things aren't easy he?
Feb 23 18:23:29 <mireux> I love the network mathematical
Feb 23 18:23:57 <mireux> everyday the same, networks here, networks there
Feb 23 18:24:12 <mireux> calculate subnets, make network schemes
Feb 23 18:24:14 <mireux> bla...
Feb 23 18:24:27 <mireux> I think you know these things
Feb 23 18:24:42 <mireux> by the way
Feb 23 18:24:52 <mireux> I must go out to eat with my wife
Feb 23 18:25:07 <mireux> when you like, we can talk tommorow
Feb 23 18:25:19 <mireux> tomorrow
Feb 23 18:26:22 <Sleep_Walker> mireux: bye
Feb 23 18:26:30 <mireux> no conversations?
Feb 23 18:26:31 <Sleep_Walker> I don't have much time for chatting :/
Feb 23 18:26:42 <mireux> ok, no problem
Feb 23 18:26:43 <Sleep_Walker> busy at work, busy with palms etc :b
Feb 23 18:26:47 <mireux> bye sleep walker
Feb 23 18:26:51 <mireux> thanks for your help
Feb 23 18:26:53 <Sleep_Walker> bye mireux
Feb 23 18:26:53 <mireux> its great
Feb 23 18:26:54 <Sleep_Walker> np
Feb 23 18:26:56 <mireux> :)
Feb 23 18:26:57 <mireux> bye
Feb 23 22:14:30 <cuddlefish> How do you compile the vanilla kernel?
Feb 23 22:17:52 <cuddlefish> How to compile the vanilla kernel?
Feb 23 22:19:12 <cuddlefish> How is kernel formed?
Feb 23 22:20:13 <cuddlefish> How GCC get pragnent?
Feb 23 22:22:00 <Sleep_Walker> ?
Feb 23 22:22:30 <Sleep_Walker> maybe tldp.org would be good start
Feb 23 22:30:49 <marex> <cuddlefish> How GCC get pragnent? <-- did you mean pregnant ? :D
Feb 23 22:31:55 <marex> cuddlefish, kernel sources contain directory called "Documentation", start there
Feb 23 22:32:39 <Sleep_Walker> marex: it's not friendly!
Feb 23 22:32:57 <Sleep_Walker> marex: TLDP is much more readable and fun!
Feb 23 22:33:30 <marex> Sleep_Walker, ah yes, you can read it forward and backward and the fun never ends
Feb 23 22:33:39 <Sleep_Walker> exactly!
Feb 24 00:34:24 <neohaven> Hello!
Feb 24 00:48:22 <neohaven> I'm still trying to grasp how I would use the Ethernet-over-USB feature between my Zire 72 and my MacBook.
Feb 24 00:48:46 <neohaven> I'm quite unclear on the conceptual side, so I can't really figure out what I'm supposed to get ifconfig to do.
Feb 24 01:02:19 <neohaven> http://hackndev.com/node/187 doesn't seem to work.
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