**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jul 21 02:59:57 2009
Jul 21 03:02:33 <mekius[work]> doesn't have support for tslib and can't even get evdev or kbd drivers to work
Jul 21 03:07:22 <mekius[work]> tmzt: seems OE has a very special version of xfbdev
Jul 21 16:53:49 <tmzt_> mek: I have used the debian version before, you have to have the correct abi version of tslib (0 or 1) installed
Jul 21 20:30:57 <Strife89> Hello, all. I followed the instructions under "Step by step guide without building" on this page: http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/PalmTungstenE2HowTo
Jul 21 20:31:23 <Strife89> OPIE works, but it's so slow that I can't help but think I did something wrong.
Jul 21 20:31:25 <marex> that's deprecated, sorry
Jul 21 20:31:43 <marex> well you have 16megs of RAM...
Jul 21 20:31:51 <Strife89> marex: Replaced or abandoned?
Jul 21 20:32:11 <marex> I maintain palmte2 in mainline kernel now, but I dont do userspace
Jul 21 20:32:39 <marex> so it;s not abandoned, but there's no userspace for it ... someone should do that
Jul 21 20:33:07 <Strife89> marex: So is there a new method or version?
Jul 21 20:33:21 <marex> no
Jul 21 20:33:33 <marex> you can use OpenEmbedded and build new userspace yourself
Jul 21 20:33:52 <Strife89> Sorry, but what do you mean, userspace?
Jul 21 20:34:10 <marex> Strife89: the thing that runs above kernel
Jul 21 20:34:18 <marex> bluelightning: would you mind to elaborate ?
Jul 21 20:35:19 <bluelightning> Strife89: userspace is all of the system scripts, GUI environment (if any) and user programs
Jul 21 20:35:34 <bluelightning> for handhelds that's basically everything that's not the kernel and bootloader
Jul 21 20:36:03 <Strife89> So, it's badly incomplete?
Jul 21 20:36:12 <bluelightning> OpenEmbedded can build all of the things you need for this from scratch with some setup
Jul 21 20:36:24 <bluelightning> however if nobody's done this for a while for the E2 then things might be a bit broken
Jul 21 20:36:55 <marex> Strife89: the kernel side of TE2 is pretty much complete
Jul 21 20:37:04 <Strife89> Is there a different, or more recent, page with instructions for building it?
Jul 21 20:37:32 <Strife89> I only see instructions to build the kernel on the linked page.
Jul 21 20:41:34 <bluelightning> Strife89: broadly, the instructions are similar for setting up OpenEmbedded are the same for each machine, you just choose a different machine type
Jul 21 20:41:59 <bluelightning> so if you want to try it, just follow the normal getting started instructions at http://www.openembedded.org
Jul 21 20:42:32 <bluelightning> a warning though, don't be too surprised if it fails to build, you may need to fix a few things and I can't guarantee that we will be able to help
Jul 21 20:42:39 <bluelightning> but we'll do our best :)
Jul 21 20:43:03 <Strife89> bluelightning: I appreciate it. :)
Jul 21 20:45:07 <bluelightning> marex: btw I think I saw the Czech mafia today :)
Jul 21 20:48:58 <marex> bluelightning: there's anything like that ? :D
Jul 21 20:49:18 <bluelightning> well, a black Mercedes S600 with Czech plates stopped in the road near my office, I was suprised when people wearing shell suits stepped out :)
Jul 21 20:49:34 <bluelightning> even the girls were wearing shell suits :D
Jul 21 20:50:35 <marex> bluelightning: argh ... that's sad, were they pretty at least ? ;-)
Jul 21 20:51:24 <bluelightning> kind of I guess... I was a bit too surprised by the whole spectacle to pay attention to that
Jul 21 20:51:37 <bluelightning> they asked me directions to the home office building, I guess they want to move here
Jul 21 20:52:15 <marex> bluelightning: they probably want to take over your company ;-)
Jul 21 20:52:33 <bluelightning> marex: well, I'm leaving that company so they're welcome to it :)
Jul 21 20:55:22 <marex> bluelightning: one heck of an emplyee you are ;-)
Jul 21 20:56:12 <bluelightning> heh
Jul 21 22:52:37 <marex> desertdog: hi, how's your treo755p thing going ?
Jul 21 22:58:43 <desertdog> Hi Marex, It's going slow. I'm working on setting up a cross compile set up.
Jul 21 23:06:48 <marex> desertdog: using OE ?
Jul 21 23:07:34 <marex> desertdog: btw if you are using debian, you can just install crosscompiler packages and stuff
Jul 21 23:08:30 <desertdog> I am using ubuntu. I have been trying to use the instructions on oe.
Jul 21 23:09:33 <desertdog> and the wiki for Gentoo setup, adapted to Ubuntu.
Jul 21 23:13:28 <marex> yuck, ubuntu
Jul 21 23:13:53 <marex> anyway ... good luck with OE ... did you managed to compile at least compiler ?
Jul 21 23:14:08 <marex> (ie. the thing in tmp/work/cross/ works ? )
Jul 21 23:14:36 <marex> err ... build/tmp/cross/
Jul 21 23:15:26 <desertdog> Well, I tried to compile a zimage based on the 2.5.27 hackndev fork just for practice
Jul 21 23:15:26 <marex> desertdog: you dont have to PM me ... you can probably reuse the treo680.c from mainline kernel and start off from that
Jul 21 23:15:43 <marex> desertdog: that 2.6.27 crap in our git is dead
Jul 21 23:15:46 <desertdog> Sorry, I am new to IRC
Jul 21 23:15:49 <marex> dont use that
Jul 21 23:15:56 <desertdog> ok
Jul 21 23:16:00 <marex> desertdog: just talk here, you are doing fine
Jul 21 23:16:13 <marex> desertdog: read the topic, do you see the RTFM.txt file there ?
Jul 21 23:16:24 <desertdog> yeah
Jul 21 23:16:26 <marex> http://marex.hackndev.com/RTFM.txt
Jul 21 23:16:35 <marex> read it, but start reading from line starting PULL
Jul 21 23:16:48 <marex> that will get you proper kernel source
Jul 21 23:17:31 <desertdog> My logic was this: The centro zImage booted to the root login. The source code to the cento image is in 2.6.27
Jul 21 23:18:21 <desertdog> So, I was going to cut and paste the centro.c and rename it t755p.c and recompile it.
Jul 21 23:19:12 <marex> desertdog: did you configured the kernel properly ?
Jul 21 23:19:15 <desertdog> but when I look at the source code for centro.c, it is really just 680.c with large sections commented out
Jul 21 23:19:34 <desertdog> I am not sure.
Jul 21 23:19:46 <marex> desertdog: that's why I told you to grab the kernel source from the RTFM.txt
Jul 21 23:19:51 <desertdog> It started to compile
Jul 21 23:20:03 <desertdog> but then I got some errors.
Jul 21 23:20:05 <marex> it's pretty much mainline linux-arm kernel + some further changes
Jul 21 23:20:13 <desertdog> ok
Jul 21 23:20:27 <marex> Sleep_Walker: can you supply him with some kernel config ?
Jul 21 23:20:53 <Sleep_Walker> which device?
Jul 21 23:21:00 <desertdog> 755p
Jul 21 23:21:17 * Sleep_Walker have t680 and centro
Jul 21 23:21:17 <marex> Sleep_Walker: centro
Jul 21 23:21:23 <Sleep_Walker> ok
Jul 21 23:21:30 <marex> desertdog: you'll have to tweak it
Jul 21 23:21:32 * Sleep_Walker have shiny new centro kernel :)
Jul 21 23:21:41 <desertdog> ok
Jul 21 23:21:55 * marex has deeply broken alsa and everything around
Jul 21 23:22:53 <Sleep_Walker> centro have some evil ugliness about IR
Jul 21 23:22:59 <Sleep_Walker> and maybe also BT
Jul 21 23:23:11 <desertdog> Do you have a zImage that I can try?
Jul 21 23:23:35 <desertdog> or should I compile from source?
Jul 21 23:24:19 <Sleep_Walker> I don't have t755, I don't have even GPIO dump for that
Jul 21 23:24:34 <Sleep_Walker> I can give you Centro kernel and you can try
Jul 21 23:24:45 <desertdog> ok
Jul 21 23:24:49 <Sleep_Walker> (but you have to fake coco that you're using Centro :)
Jul 21 23:25:03 <marex> desertdog: btw if you start tweaking the treo680.c from the kernel tree noticed in RTFM.txt, be sure to check MACHINE_START(<machine id here ... change this properly>, "SOMETHING") and comment out everything but set_pxa_fb_info in treo680_init()
Jul 21 23:25:05 <desertdog> I know how to fake coco
Jul 21 23:25:20 <Sleep_Walker> desertdog: I'll be fully occupied with Centro, but please provide gpio dumps
Jul 21 23:25:38 <Sleep_Walker> do you know GPIO trace?
Jul 21 23:25:44 <desertdog> Ok, I'll read up on that and work on that
Jul 21 23:26:01 <marex> Sleep_Walker: no, I think the gpio dumps are at the google code page
Jul 21 23:26:18 <desertdog> I have GPIOtrace but have not played around with it yet.
Jul 21 23:26:22 <Sleep_Walker> desertdog: I can send you binary
Jul 21 23:26:37 <Sleep_Walker> then you'll do some simple tasks like
Jul 21 23:26:42 <Sleep_Walker> turn IR on
Jul 21 23:26:46 <Sleep_Walker> turn IR off
Jul 21 23:26:49 <Sleep_Walker> turn BT on
Jul 21 23:26:52 <Sleep_Walker> turn BT off
Jul 21 23:27:01 <marex> Sleep_Walker: it's too early for that
Jul 21 23:27:05 <Sleep_Walker> backlight on/off, sound...
Jul 21 23:27:07 <desertdog> Someone posted a GPIO dump in the forums in April 2009
Jul 21 23:27:27 <Sleep_Walker> marex: unfortunately some evil GPIO can prevent Treo from booting :(
Jul 21 23:27:51 <Sleep_Walker> marex: and having unknown GPIOs being defined as input - it's hard to find without that
Jul 21 23:27:57 <marex> Sleep_Walker: happy hacking on that
Jul 21 23:28:10 <desertdog> http://hackndev.com/node/287
Jul 21 23:28:25 <marex> desertdog: well fttb do what I told you ...
Jul 21 23:28:37 <marex> Sleep_Walker: can you send him the kernel config ?
Jul 21 23:28:53 <Sleep_Walker> desertdog: working on
Jul 21 23:29:12 <marex> Sleep_Walker: just prepare something that contains framebuffer and nothing else
Jul 21 23:29:28 <marex> Sleep_Walker: this is about bringing up new platform, therefore you need some minimal kernel
Jul 21 23:30:00 <Sleep_Walker> marex: well I don't have time now for creating some minimal kernel now
Jul 21 23:30:29 <marex> Sleep_Walker: just kernel config is fine
Jul 21 23:34:01 <Sleep_Walker> http://sleepwalker.hackndev.com/release/Centro/
Jul 21 23:34:12 <Sleep_Walker> kernel is uploaded right now
Jul 21 23:34:31 <Sleep_Walker> config is my centro config
Jul 21 23:34:52 <Sleep_Walker> config-minimal - some reduced configuration
Jul 21 23:34:52 <desertdog> thank you. I will give it a try.
Jul 21 23:35:24 <Sleep_Walker> zImage.Centro.sw6 - latest Centro build (maybe with camera support? :b )
Jul 21 23:36:01 <Sleep_Walker> kernel uploaded
Jul 21 23:42:01 <Sleep_Walker> marex: GPIO47 (STUART_TXD) on Centro uses 3 states - INPUT AF0 low, OUTPUT AF1 hi and OUTPUT AF1 low
Jul 21 23:42:20 <Sleep_Walker> something evil happend again in Palm HW developers' heads
Jul 21 23:42:31 <marex> this is correct
Jul 21 23:43:14 <marex> Sleep_Walker: you can try gpio42,43
Jul 21 23:43:33 <Sleep_Walker> well, it would be, but there is no activity on GPIO46 and GPIO115 behaves in similar way
Jul 21 23:44:39 <marex> Sleep_Walker: is modem hooked up to usb again ?
Jul 21 23:44:59 <Sleep_Walker> on treo680 is modem attached to FF UART
Jul 21 23:45:05 <Sleep_Walker> this looks similar
Jul 21 23:45:15 <Sleep_Walker> but Bluetooth is again on BT UART
Jul 21 23:45:23 <Sleep_Walker> I'm pretty happy I have Treo680 :)
Jul 21 23:46:31 <marex> Im happy for centro users ... usb is such a bloated piece of crap, utterly misfit for battery powered device
Jul 21 23:46:53 <marex> using uart saves quite a bit of energy
Jul 21 23:47:28 <Sleep_Walker> maybe yes
Jul 21 23:47:46 <Sleep_Walker> but who needs to use BT on Centro or Treo680? :)
Jul 21 23:48:36 <desertdog> Sleep_Walker: With your centro image it starts to load, then I get a blank white screen.
Jul 21 23:49:05 <marex> desertdog: go ahead and compile the kernel yourself
Jul 21 23:49:13 <Sleep_Walker> desertdog: have you seen at least something?
Jul 21 23:49:23 <Sleep_Walker> good idea
Jul 21 23:49:29 <Sleep_Walker> and find your GPIOs
Jul 21 23:49:32 <desertdog> Ok
Jul 21 23:50:32 <marex> desertdog: but be sure to follow what I said, comment all the stuff I said out and be sure to check the machine id used in kernel
Jul 21 23:50:32 <Sleep_Walker> Centro kernel probably touched some GPIO, which has different function on 755o
Jul 21 23:50:33 <desertdog> I'll work on the GPIO's and compiling
Jul 21 23:50:35 <Sleep_Walker> 755p
Jul 21 23:50:51 <Sleep_Walker> good luck
Jul 21 23:51:00 <desertdog> Thank you for your help.
Jul 21 23:51:28 <desertdog> I am going to have to leave now and help my kids with something.
Jul 21 23:52:07 <Sleep_Walker> np
Jul 22 00:00:25 <bluelightning> night
Jul 22 00:00:35 <marex> bluelightning: gn
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