**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Nov 10 16:04:06 2009 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Nov 10 19:53:47 2009 Nov 11 01:06:12 hi, anyone got a treo pro gsm? Nov 11 02:07:38 hi, anyone got a treo pro gsm? Nov 11 02:49:43 raster: hey, any comment on the samsung stuff yet? I can't even find the stories that were mentioned Nov 11 02:54:32 tmzt: i only have read that it exists. i dont think it will go anywhere. notice samsung is also doing limo.. another linux+x11 os Nov 11 02:54:37 (and others too) Nov 11 02:54:56 right, but I'm trying to see what api's are being used Nov 11 02:55:05 the java world is not improving fast enough Nov 11 02:55:10 no info on it Nov 11 02:55:14 java? Nov 11 02:55:16 hahahahaha Nov 11 02:56:08 no Nov 11 02:56:15 java is android, blackberry, etc. Nov 11 02:56:29 I mean where's the native code world outside of iPhone Nov 11 02:57:09 well andorid is java-ish Nov 11 02:57:12 java lang Nov 11 02:57:17 different apis and "jvm" Nov 11 02:57:29 blackberry - not sure. i thought they had a custom os of theiur own Nov 11 02:57:44 and 3rd party appps are java liek a gazillion featurephones out there Nov 11 02:58:10 i personally despise things like java or .net ertc. Nov 11 02:58:33 anythign that forceds my app to become bytecode that can be or is interpreted... even jit'ed - makes me most unhappy Nov 11 02:58:45 i am happy for such systems to exist as logic augmentation Nov 11 02:59:19 eg i have an app and the theme, to do layotu logic and animation uses such systems to run that logic as its dyanmic and changeable runtime **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Nov 11 02:59:56 2009