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Dec 18 03:02:20 <shane2peru> lol, it isn't paying any attention to p2!  same errors, must be reading the initfs.img file
Dec 18 03:03:08 <shane2peru> last error reads: could not mount foortfs: init failed!  please reset, check yhour configuration and retry
Dec 18 03:03:17 <shane2peru> overlook typos. :)
Dec 18 03:03:26 <tmzt> hmm
Dec 18 03:03:32 <tmzt> what configuration?
Dec 18 03:03:38 <tmzt> is initrd commented?
Dec 18 03:03:44 <shane2peru> doesn't say
Dec 18 03:03:50 <tmzt> if you comment it does it panic?
Dec 18 03:03:59 <shane2peru> not sure, let me try that.
Dec 18 03:09:44 <marex> does the kernel support ext3 at all ?
Dec 18 03:10:54 <tmzt> marex: wouldn't it still find the partition?
Dec 18 03:11:13 <tmzt> do you have a clue where my initrd is getting either /media/hdd or gpe from
Dec 18 03:11:23 <tmzt> or is there something overridding it in cocoboot
Dec 18 03:12:39 <shane2peru> ok, commented it and doesn't panic with it commented
Dec 18 03:13:23 <shane2peru> what if I remove the initfs.img
Dec 18 03:13:26 <tmzt> what does it say then?
Dec 18 03:13:32 <shane2peru> same old same old
Dec 18 03:13:36 <tmzt> comment should be remove
Dec 18 03:13:42 <tmzt> then coco is overridding it
Dec 18 03:13:46 <tmzt> must be
Dec 18 03:14:03 <shane2peru> right must be
Dec 18 03:14:14 <marex> tmzt, dunno, haven't readed the whole discussion either
Dec 18 03:14:22 <marex> I'm too tired for so, sorry
Dec 18 03:14:25 <marex> gnight
Dec 18 03:14:34 <shane2peru> night marex
Dec 18 03:14:40 <marex> btw. the stuff from bootpack should be OK
Dec 18 03:14:44 <tmzt> run strings on it
Dec 18 03:14:46 <tmzt> grep gpe
Dec 18 03:14:49 <marex> there might be something hardcoded in initrd
Dec 18 03:14:55 <tmzt> marex: he needs 650
Dec 18 03:14:59 <marex> (and you can mount that)
Dec 18 03:15:10 <marex> and the cocoboot.conf should be fine
Dec 18 03:15:11 <tmzt> it's my initrd, just to add rootdelay
Dec 18 03:15:18 <marex> dunno if ext3 support isnt a module
Dec 18 03:15:21 <tmzt> and it works without it
Dec 18 03:15:28 <tmzt> bootpack for 650?
Dec 18 03:18:27 <shane2peru> ok, removed the initfs.img and it is narrowed down to the kernel
Dec 18 03:18:32 <shane2peru> same errors
Dec 18 03:18:52 <shane2peru> tmzt, so, that is rather interesting
Dec 18 03:19:13 <tmzt> right
Dec 18 03:19:18 <shane2peru> that would make sense where the gpe stuff is coming from, it is the opie kernel,
Dec 18 03:19:19 <tmzt> did you do strings?
Dec 18 03:19:23 <tmzt> on the prc
Dec 18 03:19:33 <tmzt> or install the plamos dev tools pkg
Dec 18 03:19:40 <shane2peru> strings?
Dec 18 03:19:42 <tmzt> forget what it's called now
Dec 18 03:19:50 <tmzt> prctools
Dec 18 03:19:52 <tmzt> yeah
Dec 18 03:20:05 <shane2peru> no, not sure about the prctools
Dec 18 03:20:10 <tmzt> strings cocoboot.prc |less
Dec 18 03:20:56 <shane2peru> ok, that is interesting, but don't know what it means
Dec 18 03:25:33 <shane2peru> ok, new kernel, new errors, copying over the os that corresponds to that os, and we will go from there, not using initfs.img for now
Dec 18 03:27:50 <tmzt> ok
Dec 18 03:43:28 <shane2peru> ok, getting a kernel panic, and before that it says: please append a correct "root=" boot option; here are the available partitions: b300  #### mmcblk0 driver mmcblk  b301 #### mmcblk0p1  b302 **** mmcblk0p2
Dec 18 03:44:04 <shane2peru> tmzt, ^^  so we are getting somewhere, I need to mess with the
Dec 18 03:44:08 <shane2peru> root= line
Dec 18 03:47:47 <tmzt> I think it's ignoring the config
Dec 18 03:48:04 <tmzt> new cocoboot.prc?
Dec 18 03:48:21 <shane2peru> yep, the latest
Dec 18 03:48:40 <shane2peru> I think so too, perhaps I need a linux.config.cfg file,
Dec 18 03:49:09 <tmzt> no
Dec 18 03:49:15 <shane2peru> no
Dec 18 03:49:18 <shane2peru> ok
Dec 18 03:49:21 <tmzt> that's not read by anything but an initrd
Dec 18 03:49:26 <tmzt> at some point
Dec 18 03:55:43 <shane2peru> tmzt, ahh, you can go ahead and shoot me now!  updated cocoboot, and presto it is booting
Dec 18 03:56:06 <tmzt> of course
Dec 18 03:56:10 <tmzt> booting what?
Dec 18 03:56:32 <shane2peru> the hackndev wiki or wherever I got that latest cocoboot.prc 0.5.3 is outdated, I googled up a 0.6.1 version
Dec 18 03:56:40 <shane2peru> debian
Dec 18 03:57:01 <shane2peru> ahh, I missed it, now I have a black screen, and missed the boot process
Dec 18 03:58:08 <shane2peru> even then the cocoboot.prc that I put on the card was not being run, it had copied itself to the palm, and continued to run the old version, I had to delete it off the palm itself.
Dec 18 03:58:37 <tmzt> hah
Dec 18 03:58:39 <tmzt> ok
Dec 18 03:58:50 <tmzt> booting debian with rootdelay?
Dec 18 03:58:56 <tmzt> with or without the initrd?
Dec 18 03:59:05 <shane2peru> without initrd I think
Dec 18 03:59:18 <shane2peru> my brain is fried after tryhing somany things
Dec 18 03:59:37 <shane2peru> oh, right, I have to sshe into it, from here
Dec 18 03:59:47 <shane2peru> one second
Dec 18 04:03:52 <shane2peru> wow, actually the gui loaded
Dec 18 04:07:56 <tmzt> what image now?
Dec 18 04:08:56 <shane2peru> hmm, I used the zimage from hmm, oh, let me find the link
Dec 18 04:10:06 <shane2peru> I'm pretty sure it was this one: http://hackndev.com/node/212  the link at the top of this howto
Dec 18 04:11:08 <tmzt> what root fs
Dec 18 04:11:47 <shane2peru> debian-sid-armel-20090416.rootfs
Dec 18 04:12:10 <tmzt> loop mounted
Dec 18 04:12:10 <tmzt> ok
Dec 18 04:12:32 <shane2peru> actually that is the link on the bottom of this page:  http://hackndev.com/trac/wiki/DebianOnTreo680
Dec 18 04:12:43 <shane2peru> that is for the 680
Dec 18 04:13:12 <shane2peru> hmm, doesn't want to let me ssh in
Dec 18 04:17:35 <shane2peru> tmzt, thanks for the help!!!  much appreciated!
Dec 18 04:17:44 <tmzt> sure
Dec 18 04:17:58 <tmzt> but y9ou want that on the sd partition like raster said
Dec 18 04:18:12 <shane2peru> what?
Dec 18 04:18:22 <shane2peru> seems as though all is running off the sd
Dec 18 08:28:39 <marex> http://hackaday.com/2009/12/17/accessing-bga-pins/ wow
Dec 18 08:52:37 <Sleep_Walker> marex: this was much more impressive ;) http://hackaday.com/2009/05/03/steampunk-vibrator/
Dec 18 15:35:11 <shane_> tmzt, ok, it works with or without the initfs.img, seems to be ingnoring that file altogether, JFYI
Dec 18 15:37:48 <shane_> Sleep_Walker, I did end up getting it, turned out I had to update cocoboot I had version 0.5.3 and the latest that I found anyway is: 0.6.1 which worked.
Dec 18 15:45:32 <Sleep_Walker> hi
Dec 18 15:50:11 <shane_> Sleep_Walker, howdy!  got it all a working, still have tinkering to do, can you use your phone with debian?
Dec 18 15:50:56 <Sleep_Walker> you mean GSM part?
Dec 18 15:51:08 <shane_> hmm, I mean make phone calls?
Dec 18 15:51:18 <Sleep_Walker> well, yes, I can
Dec 18 15:51:19 <shane_> I do have a GSM phone, and am using it in Peru.
Dec 18 15:51:26 <Sleep_Walker> but not much comfortably
Dec 18 15:51:32 <Sleep_Walker> (using AT commands)
Dec 18 15:51:39 <Sleep_Walker> I have no support in userspace
Dec 18 15:51:41 <shane_> ahh, ok, but not recieve phone calls
Dec 18 15:51:42 <Sleep_Walker> (yet)
Dec 18 15:51:58 <Sleep_Walker> I can do both
Dec 18 15:52:10 <Sleep_Walker> just watch serial and wait for RING RING :)
Dec 18 15:52:11 <shane_> really, that is encouraging
Dec 18 15:52:30 <shane_> I don't suppose there is a little how to on that?
Dec 18 15:52:49 <Sleep_Walker> ?
Dec 18 15:52:56 <shane_> that is my biggest downfall, is that it is my palm, and my phone, however that is my greatest help too.
Dec 18 15:53:00 <Sleep_Walker> AT commands set>
Dec 18 15:53:02 <Sleep_Walker> ?
Dec 18 15:53:14 <shane_> I will have to google AT commands I know nothing about them
Dec 18 15:53:28 <Sleep_Walker> shane_: can you python?
Dec 18 15:53:38 <shane_> Sleep_Walker, extremely little
Dec 18 15:53:56 <shane_> I can read it and make some sense of it, but write it, not hardly anything
Dec 18 15:54:31 <shane_> just bash. :)  Spanish, Greek, English, Sign Language, I haven't ventured a lot into computer languages.
Dec 18 15:55:29 <Sleep_Walker> shane_: what network is used in Peru?
Dec 18 15:56:13 <Sleep_Walker> CDMA
Dec 18 15:56:15 <shane_> for the phone?  I'm really not sure, all I know is that it had to be and unlocked GSM phone for it to work here
Dec 18 15:56:16 <Sleep_Walker> ?
Dec 18 15:56:21 <shane_> oh, no we use a chip
Dec 18 15:56:27 <shane_> which is not CDMA
Dec 18 15:57:15 <Sleep_Walker> so GSM?
Dec 18 15:57:18 <shane_> SIM card, that is what it is, I don't know if that is the same, but I know that CDMA is not used
Dec 18 15:57:50 <Sleep_Walker> GSM use SIM cards
Dec 18 15:57:52 <Sleep_Walker> ok
Dec 18 15:58:00 <Sleep_Walker> try FSO :)
Dec 18 15:58:07 <shane_> FSO?  what is that?
Dec 18 15:58:54 <mekius> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FSO
Dec 18 15:59:15 <mekius> but iirc, someone told me that project was a bit dead
Dec 18 15:59:34 <mekius> looks to be alive to me though
Dec 18 15:59:42 <Sleep_Walker> damn
Dec 18 15:59:46 <Sleep_Walker> noone told me :b
Dec 18 16:00:08 <shane_> mekius, thanks for the link, looks interesting
Dec 18 16:00:11 <mekius> well it looks fine to me based on the fact that they have milestones for just a month back heh
Dec 18 16:00:22 <mekius> and it's half done
Dec 18 16:00:27 <mekius> anyway
Dec 18 16:00:43 <mekius> wish someone could make a cdma layer for that framework :)
Dec 18 16:00:57 <Sleep_Walker> it would be the easist way for us
Dec 18 16:01:09 <Sleep_Walker> I'd be happy is anyone will take care of that
Dec 18 16:01:43 <mekius> Actually what I really wish is that there was a good GSM carrier in the US heh
Dec 18 16:02:00 <mekius> Verizon dominates almost every angle of service, but they are CDMA heh
Dec 18 16:02:01 <shane_> is the US the only one using CDMA?
Dec 18 16:02:13 <mekius> no, others use it, but it's going out of style elsewhere
Dec 18 16:02:29 <mekius> I have heard that CDMA carriers in the US are going to switch to something more GSM-like
Dec 18 16:02:34 <shane_> GSM, seems to be the popular international way
Dec 18 16:02:43 <mekius> with a sim card of sorts and hopefully some of the other nice things
Dec 18 16:03:08 <mekius> That's because CDMA is only good where you bought the phone
Dec 18 16:03:08 <shane_> although AT&T has sim cards, because I used them with my phone while in the US
Dec 18 16:03:21 <mekius> yes, they are GSM
Dec 18 16:03:29 <mekius> But imo they aren't that good
Dec 18 16:03:50 <mekius> their 3g coverage is a bit iffy, especially in my area
Dec 18 16:03:50 <shane_> no, I only used them because I did prepaid, and wanted to use gsm system
Dec 18 16:03:55 <mekius> yeah
Dec 18 16:04:37 <shane_> hmm, I can't seem to ssh into my phone
Dec 18 16:06:00 <shane_> this line: sudo ip addr add 192.168.0.200/24 dev usb0
Dec 18 16:06:00 <shane_> Cannot find device "usb0"
Dec 18 16:06:49 <mekius> need to load the module on the phone maybe
Dec 18 16:07:12 <shane_> the g_ether module?  I can't type symbols. :)
Dec 18 16:07:18 <Sleep_Walker> http://pastebin.ca/1719554
Dec 18 16:07:31 <Sleep_Walker> check /var/log/messages for this
Dec 18 16:08:21 <shane_> on computer or phone?
Dec 18 16:08:35 <Sleep_Walker> shane_: http://git.hackndev.com/?p=hackndev/tools.git;a=tree;f=treo680;hb=HEAD\
Dec 18 16:08:40 <Sleep_Walker> on computer side
Dec 18 16:09:28 <shane_> yep
Dec 18 16:09:34 <shane_> hit that nail on the head
Dec 18 16:09:50 <mekius> what phone?
Dec 18 16:09:51 <shane_> the link: 403 Forbidden
Dec 18 16:09:54 <shane_> Treo 650
Dec 18 16:10:00 <mekius> option+- makes _ for me
Dec 18 16:10:06 <mekius> option + -
Dec 18 16:10:16 <mekius> have to press them together
Dec 18 16:10:25 <Sleep_Walker> without \
Dec 18 16:11:37 <shane_> oh, right the keymap, I read something about that last night, but didn't have the time to mess with it
Dec 18 16:11:53 <Sleep_Walker> quite usefull :b
Dec 18 16:12:18 <shane_> mekius, ahh, that works
Dec 18 16:12:45 <shane_> I hit the option key then the other key (palm way) and it didn't work, I believe the module is loaded because it is in the /etc/modules file
Dec 18 16:13:33 <shane_> ahh, fatal: could not load /lib/modules/2.6.27-rc2-dirty/modules.dep
Dec 18 16:13:39 <shane_> that could be the prob
Dec 18 16:14:18 <shane_> that is just really great I can run linux and have cli on my treo, I'm still thinking that is great
Dec 18 16:16:10 <shane_> I used this file: http://hackndev.com/trac/wiki/DebianOnTreo680  which is for a 680, will that give me probs with mods?
Dec 18 16:16:26 <shane_> perhaps I should replace it with alex's older file?
Dec 18 16:26:21 <shane_> hmm, no ideas on the failed module?
Dec 18 16:38:44 <mekius> well you have to hold the option key and press -
Dec 18 16:39:12 <mekius> sounds like you need to remake the module dep file, but not sure how you go about doing that heh
Dec 18 16:39:59 <mekius> that's the guide I followed and didn't have any issues with it myself
Dec 18 16:40:20 <mekius> I have a centro even :)
Dec 18 16:40:52 <mekius> anything that works on the 650 should work on the 680 and centro
Dec 18 16:40:57 <mekius> well userspace that is
Dec 18 16:41:07 <mekius> kernels differ a bit I think
Dec 18 16:41:19 <mekius> Sleep_Walker: Speaking of kernels, did you ever look at my tris info?
Dec 18 16:42:39 <Sleep_Walker> shane_: sorry, I don't follow your thoughts
Dec 18 16:42:47 <Sleep_Walker> what did you asked about?
Dec 18 16:42:57 <shane_> the g_ether module failed to load.
Dec 18 16:43:02 <Sleep_Walker> mekius: yeah
Dec 18 16:43:07 <shane_> mekius, you have the centro?
Dec 18 16:43:14 <shane_> that is going to be my next phone
Dec 18 16:43:15 <mekius> yep
Dec 18 16:43:16 <shane_> some day
Dec 18 16:43:18 <mekius> cdma one
Dec 18 16:43:22 <shane_> eww
Dec 18 16:43:23 <Sleep_Walker> mekius: I'm a bit occupied with my newly born child :b
Dec 18 16:43:24 <mekius> nah, wait for better stuff to come :)
Dec 18 16:43:26 <shane_> no I want the gsm one
Dec 18 16:43:32 <mekius> you won't gain much with centro over 680
Dec 18 16:43:35 <mekius> just smaller
Dec 18 16:43:50 * Sleep_Walker preffers T680 over Centro :b
Dec 18 16:43:51 <shane_> well, I'm still lugging around a 650. :)
Dec 18 16:43:53 <mekius> Sleep_Walker: what a coincidence, my wife just had a baby on tuesday :)
Dec 18 16:44:03 <mekius> 680 has a bigger screen
Dec 18 16:44:11 <mekius> ah 650
Dec 18 16:44:12 <Sleep_Walker> mekius: congratz then!
Dec 18 16:44:14 <shane_> well, congrats to both of you,
Dec 18 16:44:17 <mekius> Sleep_Walker: you too :)
Dec 18 16:44:27 <shane_> is this a welcome to parenthood?  or more than one?
Dec 18 16:44:39 <Sleep_Walker> mekius: so you know how my free time looks like now... ;b
Dec 18 16:44:45 <mekius> Sleep_Walker: indeed hehe
Dec 18 16:45:01 <mekius> Sleep_Walker: And when you do get free time it's usually spent taking a nap :D
Dec 18 16:45:17 <Sleep_Walker> well, I'm being productive
Dec 18 16:45:20 <shane_> lol, I'm done with those newborn days
Dec 18 16:45:51 <Sleep_Walker> 680 has bigger screen and keys - useful for triple key shortcuts
Dec 18 16:45:54 * shane_ thinks he should look into the 680 then, should be cheaper too
Dec 18 16:46:10 <mekius> yeah, i'm trying to work from home today heh
Dec 18 16:46:13 <mekius> we'll see how that goes :)
Dec 18 16:47:51 <shane_> oh, my thoughts Sleep_Walker were, perhaps I should use the older version of the OS, posted on Alex's howto, instead of using the 680 version I unpacked on put on the card, thinking perhaps that is why the module failed
Dec 18 16:49:13 <Sleep_Walker> that packed file is Debian, it should work
Dec 18 16:49:30 <Sleep_Walker> use same kernel and modules at the same time - that's all
Dec 18 16:49:57 <Sleep_Walker> if you have kernel modules for your kernel, you have to extract it to card too
Dec 18 16:50:53 <shane_> ok, so apparently I need to get the g_ether kernel module for my kernel,
Dec 18 16:52:06 <shane_> lol, I'm triple booting my phone. :)  Palm, Opie, and Debian
Dec 18 16:52:35 <shane_> Ok, enough tinkering, I have work to do.
Dec 18 16:54:25 <shane_> in theory the Tung E also can run this stuff, it also has 32MB of ram?  That may be more usefull, not worring about phone functions
Dec 18 16:58:54 <mekius> ah, yeah you'll need to make sure you have the modules that go with your kenel
Dec 18 16:58:56 <mekius> kernel*
Dec 18 17:00:17 <mekius> which should be available with the kernel
Dec 18 17:00:38 <shane_> or make a kernel to go with the modules. :)  I think I'm using .21, and the modules are .27, hence the error?
Dec 18 17:21:44 <Sleep_Walker> sonds like problem to me :)
Dec 18 18:16:21 <tmzt> Sleep_Walker: how is audio routing handled on 650/680?
Dec 18 18:18:04 <Sleep_Walker> tmzt: http://hhtinker.blogspot.com/2007/07/hello-hello.html
Dec 18 18:18:57 <Sleep_Walker> treo680 is probably a bit different
Dec 18 18:19:02 <tmzt> but you can do it from command line with alsactl or sysfs?
Dec 18 18:19:13 <Sleep_Walker> yeah
Dec 18 18:19:33 <tmzt> if so, would be happy to help with ofono stuff and mer testing for our new merphonr/yafano project
Dec 18 18:19:43 <Sleep_Walker> the best is to switch profiles with alsactl
Dec 18 18:20:12 <Sleep_Walker> ofono?
Dec 18 18:20:45 <Sleep_Walker> isn't that the project where balrog-kun is involved?
Dec 18 18:41:19 <tmzt> maybe
Dec 18 18:41:52 <tmzt> he might be in #ofono way too many channels in my head to be sure
Dec 18 18:56:23 <mekius> sigh, no love for any cdma in the open source frameworks heh
Dec 18 18:56:36 <mekius> Is this due to GSM being more popular around the world?
Dec 18 18:56:40 <mekius> Is it more open?
Dec 18 18:56:52 <mekius> Is it thought of as a better standard?
Dec 18 18:57:13 <mekius> Would think at least a few people would like to do something with CDMA heh
Dec 18 18:58:02 <tmzt> do what?
Dec 18 18:58:14 <tmzt> the at commands are similar
Dec 18 18:58:39 <tmzt> support should be coming to ofono at least once the plugin/driver situation is more clear
Dec 18 18:58:46 <tmzt> things like cfun=99
Dec 18 18:58:52 <tmzt> so it doesn't turn off
Dec 18 18:59:14 <tmzt> it's due to devs being in europe
Dec 18 18:59:22 <tmzt> in most of these cases
Dec 18 18:59:31 <tmzt> there's a few cdma users in the us
Dec 18 18:59:43 <tmzt> I have verizon (cdma) touch pro 2
Dec 18 18:59:50 <tmzt> never had a treo though
Dec 18 19:00:01 <tmzt> treo pro is at least similar
Dec 18 19:33:34 <mekius> similar phone, but with win mobile right?
Dec 18 20:05:24 <tmzt> not exactly
Dec 18 20:05:41 <tmzt> similar to my phone, msm chipset instead of pxa and msm baseband
Dec 18 20:05:58 <tmzt> we are working on support for it now
Dec 18 20:06:19 <tmzt> the phone stuff is a bit harder but everything else should be able to work soon
Dec 19 01:10:33 <palmlinuxnoob> hi there... i just installed some busy box kernel and cocoboot on my tungsten t5 from the packages in this link: http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~miska/
Dec 19 01:10:57 <palmlinuxnoob> it seems to boot ok... but i can't type anything. anyone know what i'm doing wrong?
Dec 19 01:11:14 <palmlinuxnoob> thanks in advance.
Dec 19 02:33:18 <palmlinuxnoob> anyone?
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