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Aug 04 16:58:12 <edo1> hi
Aug 04 16:58:18 <edo1> anybody here?
Aug 04 17:06:22 <edo1> AndyI: are you here?
Aug 04 17:24:25 <Marex> edo1: what do you need ?
Aug 04 17:32:23 <edo1> I want get access to WM9712 on tungsten e2 under palmos
Aug 04 17:33:10 <edo1> i think in linux porting process somebody get this information ;)
Aug 04 17:34:33 <edo1> AFAIK palmos not limit hardware access
Aug 04 17:36:57 <edo1> I read http://marex.hackndev.com/patches-mainline/24-palmte2-support.patch - so wm9712 is connected to gpio28-31 pins
Aug 04 17:42:57 <edo1> what kernel branch I must get for applying these patches?
Aug 04 17:46:52 <edo1> and what is current support state for tungsten e2?
Aug 04 17:56:21 <Marex> edo1: hang on
Aug 04 17:56:35 <Marex> no changes to TE2 were made past 2.6.35
Aug 04 17:56:41 <Marex> so you should be fine with 2.6.35
Aug 04 17:57:09 <edo1> vanila?
Aug 04 17:59:43 <edo1> your patches are included to mainline kernel?
Aug 04 18:04:47 <Marex> edo1: yes, why won't they be
Aug 04 18:05:33 <Marex> http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/marex/pxa-linux-2.6.git;a=summary you can also keep an eye here in case some changes happened (which is not likely happening)
Aug 04 18:06:18 <edo1> so i can build vanila 2.6.35 and boot it on my e2? ;)
Aug 04 18:06:28 <Marex> probably
Aug 04 18:08:46 <edo1> OMG! I see palmte2.h in vanila 2.6.35 ;)
Aug 04 18:09:53 <Marex> so what ?
Aug 04 18:09:55 <edo1> so patches from http://marex.hackndev.com/patches-mainline/  are unnecessary now?
Aug 04 18:09:57 <Marex> it's not that hard to push patches
Aug 04 18:10:02 <Marex> edo1: that's deprecated
Aug 04 18:10:08 * andrewsh pushed mine a week ago :)
Aug 04 18:10:31 <Marex> andrewsh: which one ?
Aug 04 18:10:40 <andrewsh> for 3c59x
Aug 04 18:10:45 <andrewsh> ethtool wol support
Aug 04 18:11:05 <andrewsh> not sure it reached linus himself, but dave s. miller has it applied
Aug 04 18:11:24 <andrewsh> so anyway it will be there soon
Aug 04 18:11:28 <andrewsh> or already it
Aug 04 18:11:31 <andrewsh> is*
Aug 04 18:12:13 <Marex> ah ... the card is documented well ?
Aug 04 18:12:41 <Marex> damned NDAs of DooM
Aug 04 18:12:41 <Marex> :/
Aug 04 18:12:56 <andrewsh> That patch just fixes the interface. The driver already had WOL support, but it wasn't accessible via ethtool.
Aug 04 18:13:29 <andrewsh> Marex: I'm fighting with some NDAd devices at my job.
Aug 04 18:13:43 <andrewsh> I'm starting really hate Realtek.
Aug 04 18:13:54 * Marex can't speak about the NDA
Aug 04 18:14:00 <Marex> the NDA itself is NDAed
Aug 04 18:14:06 <andrewsh> :)
Aug 04 18:14:49 <andrewsh> Realtek don't support developers, don't publish sources, don't publish datasheets, don't publish in-system programming protocols.
Aug 04 18:15:30 <andrewsh> The sources I've found at PUDN don't work as expected being ported from x51 to AVR (maybe there's a porting error, not sure)
Aug 04 18:16:00 <andrewsh> two chips differing by presence of letter B in the model name are completely different ICs
Aug 04 18:16:08 <andrewsh> RTD2523 and RTD2523B
Aug 04 18:16:43 <Marex> andrewsh: pudn actually works ?
Aug 04 18:16:49 <andrewsh> the have different pinout, different featureset, different register layout, different interfaces and different programming algorithms
Aug 04 18:16:53 <andrewsh> Marex: yes :)
Aug 04 18:16:54 <Marex> I found XDB4 there ... I should report it
Aug 04 18:17:03 <andrewsh> report where?
Aug 04 18:17:17 <edo1> can I see kernel messages until boot on E2? (on lcd screen, via usb or something else)
Aug 04 18:17:30 <Marex> edo1: LCD should work
Aug 04 18:17:37 <Marex> andrewsh: to Marvell Law dept.
Aug 04 18:17:51 <andrewsh> you work for them?
Aug 04 18:18:29 <andrewsh> if not, don't
Aug 04 18:19:30 <Marex> andrewsh: like why shouldn't I ?
Aug 04 18:20:53 <andrewsh> Because pudn is the one of places those help The Usual Developer to work with some ICs you can't find any docs for,
Aug 04 18:20:56 <andrewsh> .
Aug 04 18:21:28 <Marex> andrewsh: why don't you push on the corporation instead ?
Aug 04 18:21:34 <Marex> that'd be for common good
Aug 04 18:21:54 <andrewsh> They won't do anything. If they're Chinese, its guaranteed.
Aug 04 18:22:32 <andrewsh> They can expose some info to Chinese fellows (maybe), but almost no way to europeans.
Aug 04 18:23:08 <Marex> andrewsh: I have the best experience with chineese
Aug 04 18:23:39 <andrewsh> Anyway, reporting doesn't help you but potentially harm others.
Aug 04 18:23:54 <andrewsh> Marex: Yes, I had good experience with one company.
Aug 04 18:23:56 <andrewsh> Techwell.
Aug 04 18:24:14 <andrewsh> Communicating with many others was not so good.
Aug 04 18:24:30 <andrewsh> Realtek did not reply to not a single my message.
Aug 04 18:24:31 <Marex> andrewsh: it does harm me
Aug 04 18:24:34 <andrewsh> Ever.
Aug 04 18:24:38 <andrewsh> How?
Aug 04 18:24:43 <Marex> can't tell
Aug 04 18:25:50 <andrewsh> Okay.
Aug 04 18:26:34 <edo1> what about userspace? can I get e2 shell on my PC?
Aug 04 18:26:47 <andrewsh> Maybe I don't understand something. The only way for that I see is if you worked for Marvell.
Aug 04 18:26:50 <andrewsh> But anyway.
Aug 04 18:27:11 <Marex> andrewsh: there are actually many more possibilities I don't want to talk about
Aug 04 18:27:45 <Marex> edo1: yes, you can install debian on it ... but it's low on ram so it'll be slow as crap
Aug 04 18:27:52 <Marex> edo1: usb gadget mode should work
Aug 04 18:28:54 <edo1> 32Mb?
Aug 04 18:29:23 <Marex> 16
Aug 04 18:29:29 <edo1> :(
Aug 04 18:29:39 <edo1> but shell must work ;)
Aug 04 18:30:56 <edo1> exist pre-builded initrd with minimal system?
Aug 04 18:32:37 <edo1> or system must be paced on separate partition on SD card?
Aug 04 18:32:42 <Marex> no, you can crosscompile busybox or multistrap debian
Aug 04 18:32:47 <Marex> the other can be done on host system
Aug 04 18:37:41 <edo1> thanks, I will try boot to linux tomorrow. perhaps I'll ask more questions
Aug 04 18:38:59 <Marex> edo1: I'll be on a trip tomorrow
Aug 04 18:39:51 <edo1> where can I find answers? ;)
Aug 04 18:40:04 <Marex> what answers ?
Aug 04 18:40:55 <edo1> i look to wiki on hackndev - it is not very filled
Aug 04 18:41:30 <edo1> exist HOWTO or something similar?
Aug 04 18:43:45 <Marex> no
Aug 04 18:43:47 <Marex> you can write one
Aug 04 18:43:53 <Marex> hackndev is probably dead
Aug 04 18:44:09 <Marex> I maintain the palm code in mainline (modulo palmz72 and partly part treo)
Aug 04 18:44:13 <Marex> *palm treo even
Aug 04 18:45:12 <edo1> my english is very-very ugly :(
Aug 04 18:45:25 <Marex> I'm not a native either
Aug 04 18:48:08 <edo1> http://hackndev.com/trac/wiki/Bootpacks - why different builds for different devices? userpace is not compatible across different models?
Aug 04 18:50:24 <Marex> edo1: I seriously have no idea, I don't do userland ... I use debian on my ARM buildcluster
Aug 04 18:51:32 <edo1> so - debian bootstrap image work on any palm arm-based device?
Aug 04 18:54:40 <Marex> errr ... the buildcluster I have consists of some PXA320 boards, some PXA300 boards and some PXA270 boards
Aug 04 18:54:45 <Marex> no palms though ;-)
Aug 04 18:54:55 <Marex> it's slightly more beefed hardware :)
Aug 04 18:55:08 <Marex> edo1: debian works on any armv4 and better device
Aug 04 18:58:25 <Marex> (xscale is armv5)
Aug 04 18:58:32 <Marex> so debian "armel" will work
Aug 04 18:58:48 <Marex> note you need "armel", not "arm" or "armhf", be careful there
Aug 04 18:59:23 <edo1> ok
Aug 04 18:59:37 <edo1> palm did not have usb host?
Aug 04 18:59:50 <Marex> pxa255 does not
Aug 04 19:00:41 <edo1> what gadget I need? ;)
Aug 04 19:00:47 <edo1> serial or network?
Aug 04 19:00:51 <Marex> whatever you want
Aug 04 19:00:56 <Marex> network if you want network
Aug 04 19:00:59 <Marex> serial if you want serial
Aug 04 19:01:04 <Marex> (tty)
Aug 04 19:02:03 <edo1> both must work?
Aug 04 19:03:04 <edo1> (not simultaneously)
Aug 04 19:03:12 <Marex> yes
Aug 04 19:03:16 <Marex> should work
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