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Dec 28 11:27:41 <flyback> anyone know if putting u-boot in disk-on-chip on palm t5 is possible?
Dec 28 11:27:57 <flyback> or if I can solder up a serial rom to the board to hold the code
Dec 28 11:32:36 <Marex> read pxa27x trm
Dec 28 11:44:00 <flyback> trm?
Dec 28 11:45:34 <flyback> ah 2-4kb programable bootblock
Dec 28 11:45:38 <flyback> wonder if u-boot can fit in that
Dec 28 11:45:47 * flyback reading the disk on chip datasheet
Dec 28 11:50:00 <Marex> it cannot
Dec 28 11:50:09 <Marex> but it's enough for boostrap loader
Dec 28 11:50:46 <flyback> yeah anything that can jump to something else would be fine :P
Dec 28 12:52:27 <macgyver_alt> hi guys. the old T|X wifi problem. I got libertas_cs: helper firmware doesnt answer. modules seem to be loaded. firmware-files are under /lib/firware. anyone else got no answer from the firmware-files ? google did not help ...
Dec 28 13:14:53 <Marex> macgyver_alt: hey
Dec 28 13:15:04 <Marex> macgyver_alt: you have the fvw5 ?
Dec 28 13:15:11 <Marex> *fwv5
Dec 28 13:16:02 <macgyver_alt> I don't eve have a clue what this should be
Dec 28 13:16:33 <macgyver_alt> years ago my first ugly windowmanger had a name like this :-)
Dec 28 13:18:31 <Marex> nevermind then
Dec 28 13:18:44 <macgyver_alt> may it help?
Dec 28 13:19:03 <macgyver_alt> i have the two firmwarefiles from crocoboot
Dec 28 13:19:39 <macgyver_alt> and putting them on the wrong place i get "..not found" - now i get "no answer"
Dec 28 13:19:46 <Marex> it may help, but I'm still in marvell legal machinery about it
Dec 28 13:19:56 <Marex> maybe disable the wifi in palmos
Dec 28 13:20:32 <macgyver_alt> i heard that i must enable it - and get some throughput
Dec 28 13:21:48 <macgyver_alt> what about the fwv5 - is this som kind of version ?
Dec 28 13:24:25 <macgyver_alt> libertas_cs.fw 82876byte;  libertas_cs_helper.fw 2064byte
Dec 28 13:24:27 <Marex> it's something that shouldn't have happened
Dec 28 13:24:35 <Marex> fwv5 that is
Dec 28 13:28:29 <macgyver_alt> I'm still confused: where do you assue the error: the modules or the fw-files ? by the way it's absoluty repeatable by reloading the modules
Dec 28 13:31:06 <Marex> the card's (88W8381) support is solely based on reverse engineering and it's crappy
Dec 28 13:31:32 <Marex> besides, firmware version 4.20.something that's supplied with PalmTX is old and incompatible with the driver
Dec 28 13:32:20 <macgyver_alt> ok - and where to get the new firmware - not from dumping?
Dec 28 13:33:49 <Marex> macgyver_alt: I don't know (and even if I did, I can't tell) ...
Dec 28 13:34:01 <Marex> macgyver_alt: try asking someone else, maybe Sleep_Walker
Dec 28 13:34:17 <macgyver_alt> hey i remeber something
Dec 28 13:34:27 <Marex> official statement is, there never was newer firmware for this card
Dec 28 13:34:56 <macgyver_alt> month ago i had not his error - then i got my TX to factory state
Dec 28 13:35:48 <macgyver_alt> reset - and i remeber that i did an official palm tx wifi update - is it possible that there was a new firmware included ?
Dec 28 13:36:49 <Marex> no, palmos comes with firmware v4.20.xyz
Dec 28 13:37:21 <macgyver_alt> the last 6 years ? i resettet my palm to a 6year old brick
Dec 28 13:38:44 <Marex> so what ... that's how enterprise products are done
Dec 28 13:38:53 <Marex> you buy new one if you want updated software
Dec 28 13:39:43 <macgyver_alt> ok - and the firmware isn' gpl or free - right?
Dec 28 13:40:27 <Marex> obviously
Dec 28 13:41:53 <macgyver_alt> i allways wondered why dumping - and not putting it in rootfs .... the v5 - is by marvell?
Dec 28 13:43:14 <Marex> dumping, because marvell license doesn't permit you to distribute it
Dec 28 13:43:39 <Marex> noone else can write a firmware for a marvell wifi chip but marvell ...
Dec 28 13:44:06 <Marex> the wifi chip itself is very complicated device, don't get me started on this topic
Dec 28 13:45:11 <macgyver_alt> no i won't. and there are rumours about a version5? so in which devices may it be used ?
Dec 28 13:48:08 <Marex> it's not used in any device
Dec 28 13:49:34 <macgyver_alt> the marvell guys had some free time ?
Dec 28 13:51:25 <Marex> I don't know the details
Dec 28 13:52:14 <macgyver_alt> cant belive that they doing a new firmware for a 6 your old ic?
Dec 28 13:52:35 <Marex> the firmware is old as well
Dec 28 13:56:25 <macgyver_alt> so sleep_walker knows more details? maybe he will jump in this conversation ....
Dec 28 13:56:55 <Marex> I dunno what he knows ... it was a random pick
Dec 28 13:59:13 <Marex> besides ... getting involved with marvell law dept. is the last thing I'd like to experience
Dec 28 14:02:19 <macgyver_alt> crazy - my dream freeing my palm will burst because of two commercial files ....
Dec 28 14:06:10 <Marex> I'm trying to get it into linux-firmware tree
Dec 28 14:07:19 <macgyver_alt> the problem is only a "ok" from marvell - isnt it?
Dec 28 14:07:40 <Marex> obviously
Dec 28 14:08:25 <macgyver_alt> chance?
Dec 28 14:09:20 <Marex> low
Dec 28 14:11:15 <Marex> I just found the file ... Marvell NDA all around
Dec 28 14:11:53 <macgyver_alt> NDA != GPL
Dec 28 14:12:42 <Marex> macgyver_alt: I'm already balancing at the borderline of what I can say about marvell stuff and what I can not
Dec 28 14:12:52 <flyback> macgyver_alt:
Dec 28 14:13:05 <flyback> do the usb mod if your tx is running linux anyways
Dec 28 14:13:14 <flyback> and attach a usb wifi chip that is supposted by gpl driver
Dec 28 14:14:05 <Marex> flyback: the driver is GPL
Dec 28 14:14:14 <macgyver_alt> ohhhh no - no money - thats the rule ! otherwise i would by an archos device ...
Dec 28 14:15:27 <flyback> oh cool
Dec 28 14:15:43 <flyback> no money? you are talkking < $ 10 in parts :P
Dec 28 14:15:50 <macgyver_alt> all clear - and i bought 5 years ago indirectly via palm "old" firmware (which i can dump as often as i want) ...
Dec 28 14:16:37 <macgyver_alt> no money - the rule - this keeps me on my "projects"
Dec 28 14:16:38 <flyback> :P
Dec 28 14:19:42 <macgyver_alt> marex you remeber "singler" from hackndev board?
Dec 28 14:20:15 <Marex> no
Dec 28 14:20:25 <Marex> should I ?
Dec 28 14:20:58 <macgyver_alt> you answered his post ;-)  (node 315)
Dec 28 14:21:04 <macgyver_alt> nevertheless
Dec 28 14:21:37 <Marex> and what interesting prophecy did I say ?
Dec 28 14:22:01 <macgyver_alt> the hole board - no word about the version problem - there are many people saying "i did wifi" (like singler)
Dec 28 14:22:30 <Marex> I didn't give the firmware file to anyone
Dec 28 14:22:43 <Marex> that I can assure you
Dec 28 14:22:48 <macgyver_alt> singler is an example - cant belive that he dealed with firmware version problems
Dec 28 14:23:19 <Marex> well the wifi somehow worked ... but it was poor with v4
Dec 28 14:23:29 <Marex> it even worked with v3 firmware, but that was even worse
Dec 28 14:23:58 <macgyver_alt> but in my case - it doesnt answer
Dec 28 14:24:16 <macgyver_alt> and i can live with poor firmware
Dec 28 14:25:04 <Marex> you can ... just about until it makes your chip desolder itself from the PCB
Dec 28 14:25:11 <macgyver_alt> maybe we break a butterfly on a wheel
Dec 28 14:25:44 <Marex> macgyver_alt: you can try hacking on the driver ... it's a clean piece of code
Dec 28 14:27:40 <macgyver_alt> hmmm - no chance that the problem is not the version-thing? it's not answering
Dec 28 14:28:26 <Marex> I think you might want to fiddle with turning the wifi off in palmos
Dec 28 14:28:31 <Marex> that's how I got it working
Dec 28 14:28:52 <Marex> the firmware has to be in reset-state (which is achieved by clearly loading it from linux)
Dec 28 14:29:54 <macgyver_alt> thats a good hint - because there are many post saying that you have to surf about a minute ...
Dec 28 14:31:37 <macgyver_alt> ok - example: 1.hard reset palm - 2.palmOS (wifi should be off) - 3.crocoboot .....
Dec 28 14:34:15 <macgyver_alt> ohhh: step2: wifi is not generally off after hard reset ...
Dec 28 14:34:45 <Marex> turn wifi off and hit the reset button
Dec 28 14:34:51 <Marex> then check if - after boot - it's off
Dec 28 14:34:55 <Marex> try booting linux
Dec 28 14:37:25 <macgyver_alt> modules loaded - no message - no iwconfig device
Dec 28 14:37:40 <macgyver_alt> but also no firmware errors
Dec 28 14:38:00 <Marex> ifconfig -a
Dec 28 14:38:18 <Marex> is it there ?
Dec 28 14:43:34 <macgyver_alt> crazy no i get: cant load helper firmware ...
Dec 28 14:45:32 <macgyver_alt> cewl - reloading the module i get my eth0 !
Dec 28 14:46:00 <macgyver_alt> thanks marex! the great hint was the defined OFF-state!
Dec 28 14:48:11 <Marex> ok, np
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Dec 28 17:28:16 * flyback off to work, peace out, God bless, etc :)
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