**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Sep 05 02:59:59 2013 Sep 05 22:14:24 Marex: o/ Sep 05 22:14:33 zumbi: \o/ Sep 05 22:14:52 sorry I was unable to build toolchains.. I have not yet been able to give a go to 4.8 Sep 05 22:15:08 quite busy lately Sep 05 22:15:14 zumbi: forget toolchains ;-) Sep 05 22:15:20 I get it now all right Sep 05 22:15:33 I just hope you still build them Sep 05 22:15:50 and not gone for some binary one Sep 05 22:15:51 zumbi: I was busy with denx projects, but I am getting back to fiddling with build systems Sep 05 22:16:01 and that in turn means I need to start digging in gcc again Sep 05 22:16:12 uhmm.. I am interested on build systems Sep 05 22:16:13 yeah, I was building 4.8, I even have debian 4.8 packages, but they need some more care Sep 05 22:16:49 Marex: there is a Debian mini-debconf in November, we aim to fix that Sep 05 22:17:06 zumbi: the building issues of cross toolchains ? Sep 05 22:17:08 there are plans to upload a cross toolchain to Debian, but just targeting ARM Sep 05 22:17:15 oh wow! Sep 05 22:17:25 Cross toolchains for official archive Sep 05 22:17:36 yep, that'd be awesome Sep 05 22:17:54 This is the agenda http://people.debian.org/~zumbi/debian-arm.html Sep 05 22:18:22 Marex: and in case you want to come... Sep 05 22:18:23 https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/Miniconf-UK/2013 Sep 05 22:18:34 I'll go to that one, if possible Sep 05 22:18:48 zumbi: what about ARM64 ? Sep 05 22:19:57 zumbi: what about switching the mx53 for wandboard quads ? Sep 05 22:20:20 ARM64, we need buildds and unofficial archive support in debian-ports Sep 05 22:20:37 for buildds, we want to switch mx53 for highbanks Sep 05 22:20:46 nice Sep 05 22:20:55 what's a wandboard? Sep 05 22:20:58 how much is highbank ? Sep 05 22:21:04 see wandboard.org ... quad-core mx6q Sep 05 22:21:13 I got a sabrelite Sep 05 22:21:31 oh 2GB RAM.. nicee Sep 05 22:21:55 Marex: a highbank is expensive, we need someone to donate Sep 05 22:22:10 but a 2 card (8 node) chassis is around 10kUSD Sep 05 22:22:27 loaded with SSDs Sep 05 22:23:15 dev boards is way cheaper... unless you build the rack and expense the time.. which turns out to be similar pricing to highbank Sep 05 22:23:31 we did that.. http://vincentsanders.blogspot.co.uk/2013/04/when-you-make-something-cleaning-it-out.html Sep 05 22:24:08 would love to have a highbank rack ;-) Sep 05 22:24:12 that was my box for work.. the first picture is what I built quickly to get started Sep 05 22:24:31 but vince did nice job putting it all in a rack Sep 05 22:24:42 aww i wanna go to debconf :( Sep 05 22:25:08 debconf14 in Portland, OR Sep 05 22:25:18 August next year Sep 05 22:25:37 oh hmmm... compelling Sep 05 22:26:26 Marex: here is the Debian rack.. http://blog.einval.com/2011/09/05 Sep 05 22:26:49 Marex: at work we got a highbank and it is really nice Sep 05 22:27:11 can get webkitgtk builds in few hours, while now is days Sep 05 22:27:18 now as in mx53 Sep 05 22:28:06 Marex: when around tell me more about your build system projects, I am interested Sep 05 22:28:12 and maybe I am able to help Sep 05 22:28:58 zumbi: if you get proper arm toolchain into debian itself, then I wont need to rebuild my toolchains ever again ;-) Sep 05 22:31:44 Marex: what about mips/ppc/sh4? Sep 05 22:32:15 zumbi: shall that not follow the ARM toolchain ? Sep 05 22:33:02 not really.. Sep 05 22:33:08 maybeee... Sep 05 22:33:25 would be the logical course of action Sep 05 22:33:26 most folks pushing this cross stuff, just care on ARM Sep 05 22:33:39 Marex: we can get ARM and get stuck on it Sep 05 22:33:41 yeah, I see the bad state of multiarch etc. there Sep 05 22:33:45 zumbi: yep Sep 05 22:34:01 having all set is a maintenance burden Sep 05 22:34:48 multiarch.. buff... nice interest, but sysroot allows me to do real builds today against random root FS Sep 05 22:34:59 s/interest/concept Sep 05 22:35:05 oh Sep 05 22:35:15 so the multiarch didn't exactly work out ? Sep 05 22:35:30 well, it is in the way.. half done Sep 05 22:35:53 debian and crpbntu are out of sync too Sep 05 22:36:18 I saw Sep 05 22:36:36 but crapbuntu is stripping away arch support , at least PPC seems to be getting ready to fly out of the door soon Sep 05 22:37:20 siigh Sep 05 22:37:31 no commercial interest it seems Sep 05 22:37:42 zumbi: yeah, but that doesn't really help Sep 05 22:37:47 there are new powerpc SoC in the pipeline Sep 05 22:37:51 I also got rid of my sparcserver :( Sep 05 22:38:03 sparc is also dying in Debian Sep 05 22:38:03 (sparc that is) Sep 05 22:38:17 you want a porterbox ? :B Sep 05 22:38:25 I still have dual-CPU ultra 60 here Sep 05 22:38:43 hw gets obsolete, unmaintained and machines are hard to replace Sep 05 22:38:59 indeed Sep 05 22:39:02 Marex: we have stability issues when running Debian stable kernel under load Sep 05 22:39:08 on sparc ? Sep 05 22:39:11 yes Sep 05 22:39:25 but is sparc not maintained still ? Sep 05 22:39:32 we need to run old-stable kernels to get sparc buildds running Sep 05 22:39:34 I saw some niagara patches (well, not exactly ultrasparc II tho) Sep 05 22:39:48 not very well maintained it seems Sep 05 22:39:56 at least kernel side Sep 05 22:40:04 oracle is doing shitty job maybe ? Sep 05 22:40:12 I think the bug is reported upstream for years now Sep 05 22:40:17 sigh Sep 05 22:40:34 oracle.. not sure they care much on sparc Sep 05 22:40:43 zumbi: it's their biz now Sep 05 22:41:00 do they sell that? Sep 05 22:41:09 are there new computers on sparc? Sep 05 22:41:23 what seems to be coming back is alpha Sep 05 22:41:44 zumbi: I think there are some new niagaras , yes Sep 05 22:41:47 zumbi: alpha ? Sep 05 22:41:59 zumbi: last alpha I saw was in a form factor of a small washing machine Sep 05 22:42:47 hehe.. true Sep 05 22:43:00 you saw some new alphaserver ? Sep 05 22:43:02 where ? Sep 05 22:43:05 for how many ? Sep 05 22:43:08 shut up and take my money ! Sep 05 22:43:13 (lol) Sep 05 22:43:49 http://buildd.debian-ports.org/stats/ Sep 05 22:44:25 oh, I thought they stared selling the CPU again Sep 05 22:44:26 Marex: today someone was wanting to give me an alphaserver ds20e Sep 05 22:44:34 a mips o2 and a sparc Sep 05 22:45:29 zumbi: I can give you some PXA27x board :) Sep 05 22:45:48 32MB of SDRAM too Sep 05 22:45:54 not sparc, powermac g4, with your sparc I almost get the full set of arches :) Sep 05 22:46:12 I got balloonboards :P Sep 05 22:46:34 it is better form factor to carry around Sep 05 22:46:38 I have one too, I think I got it to work with full 384MB of RAM too Sep 05 22:47:08 I wholy remember I had to downclock the other 128MB bank to get it working in stable manner Sep 05 22:48:41 yes, you did.. Sep 05 22:48:49 that was fantastic Sep 05 22:49:20 that was fucking crazy :) Sep 05 22:50:20 I need to look into PXA in U-Boot again Sep 05 22:54:23 hm, looking back, PXA times were good times, everything was so simple :) Sep 05 22:54:25 why? Sep 05 22:54:32 why ... what ? Sep 05 22:54:41 why need to look into PXA in U-Boot again Sep 05 22:54:52 PXA is perfect now, isnt it? :) Sep 05 22:55:43 Marex: also, have you heard about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenPOWER_Consortium ? Sep 05 22:56:25 zumbi: far from it ... there are still things that need ironing out in the context of recent uboot changes ;-/ Sep 05 22:57:21 zumbi: I heard about this power thing, but that's mostly Power7 and on, not the embedded Power chips Sep 05 22:58:39 we'll see what happens Sep 05 22:59:20 embedded power8 certainly wont ;-) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Sep 06 02:59:59 2013