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Mar 24 10:30:45 <Sleep_Walker> Marex: alive?
Mar 24 10:31:27 <Sleep_Walker> I'm looking for some machine with good connectivity and at least some HW
Mar 24 10:31:39 <Sleep_Walker> for GuixSD distribution I work on
Mar 24 10:31:57 <Sleep_Walker> do you have idea whether there is chance to get something from MFF UK?
Mar 24 10:33:11 <Sleep_Walker> unfortunatelly due to _very_ dynamic nature of whole distribution it is not just pure mirror request
Mar 24 10:33:36 <Sleep_Walker> it's more like build host alternative
Mar 24 10:33:46 <Sleep_Walker> FYI it is FSF endorsed distribution ;)
Mar 24 10:33:47 <farcaller> read that as "dramatic nature", got intrigued :p
Mar 24 10:34:03 <Sleep_Walker> heh
Mar 24 10:34:36 <Sleep_Walker> the machine is usually just rebuilding packages and provide them through HTTP
Mar 24 10:35:09 <Sleep_Walker> and thanks to dependencies it is sometimes endless
Mar 24 10:35:25 <Sleep_Walker> but we miss some European mirror
Mar 24 10:35:46 <Sleep_Walker> and the only server we have from FSF is very often sluggish
Mar 24 10:36:02 <Sleep_Walker> farcaller: you're not in university anymore, right?
Mar 24 10:36:05 <Sleep_Walker> *on
Mar 24 10:36:15 <farcaller> nah
Mar 24 10:36:33 <Sleep_Walker> I remember reading something with Goo something about you
Mar 24 10:36:41 <Sleep_Walker> too many colors for my eyes
Mar 24 10:36:56 <farcaller> lol
Mar 24 10:38:28 <farcaller> I actually figured out today that fahhem was working with me in here as well
Mar 24 10:38:53 <farcaller> (well, he figured it out and pinged me)
Mar 24 10:38:57 <Sleep_Walker> :)
Mar 24 10:39:11 <Sleep_Walker> only me is working alone
Mar 24 10:39:21 <Sleep_Walker> :'(
Mar 24 10:39:58 <farcaller> eh
Mar 24 10:43:10 <Sleep_Walker> farcaller: btw. what are you working on?
Mar 24 10:43:22 <Sleep_Walker> and can you even talk about that?
Mar 24 10:43:29 <Sleep_Walker> moon landing?
Mar 24 10:43:34 <Sleep_Walker> rays of death
Mar 24 10:43:36 <farcaller> sql :D
Mar 24 10:43:41 <Sleep_Walker> eh
Mar 24 10:44:05 <Sleep_Walker> no fun at all
Mar 24 10:44:34 <farcaller> you can INSERT INTO moon VALUES lunar_module
Mar 24 10:46:28 <Sleep_Walker> yeah, sure you can
Mar 24 10:46:35 <Sleep_Walker> but do you actually do it?
Mar 24 10:46:56 <farcaller> i can neither confirm nor deny that statement :p
Mar 24 10:47:02 <Sleep_Walker> :D
Mar 24 10:48:09 <farcaller> I'm doing my own moon program with zinc, but so far I only managed to make led blinking, so the launch is delayed ;)
Mar 24 10:56:07 <Sleep_Walker> good start though
Mar 24 15:43:11 <Marex> Sleep_Walker: yeah
Mar 24 15:44:32 <Marex> I was digging in FPGAs until morning, so I just got here
Mar 24 15:45:30 <Marex> Sleep_Walker: I finished my studies, I'm waiting for my MSc degree now
Mar 24 15:45:44 <Sleep_Walker> Marex: and do you know who to contact?
Mar 24 15:45:52 <Marex> for a build rig ?
Mar 24 15:45:54 <Marex> hmmmmm
Mar 24 15:45:55 <Sleep_Walker> yup
Mar 24 15:46:12 <Marex> I doubt anyone would care, but maybe Pavel Semerad
Mar 24 15:46:32 <Sleep_Walker> it's not interesting anymore?
Mar 24 15:46:48 <Marex> you mean mindless building of software packages ?
Mar 24 15:46:50 <Sleep_Walker> and some fan of scheme?
Mar 24 15:47:11 <Sleep_Walker> more or less
Mar 24 15:47:25 <Marex> Scheme as in that programming language ?
Mar 24 15:47:32 <Sleep_Walker> yes :D
Mar 24 15:47:40 <Sleep_Walker> it's whole distribution written in that
Mar 24 15:48:02 <Sleep_Walker> init, package manager, ...
Mar 24 15:48:17 <Sleep_Walker> and user interface is implemented as Emacs mode :D
Mar 24 15:48:31 <Sleep_Walker> (to that package manager)
Mar 24 15:48:47 <Sleep_Walker> but it is of course possible to use without Emacs
Mar 24 15:48:53 <Marex> hmmmm
Mar 24 15:49:10 <Marex> did you also check U-Root btw ? It's done in Go, but distributed in source form
Mar 24 15:49:23 <Sleep_Walker> never heard of it
Mar 24 15:50:26 <Marex> Sleep_Walker: the concept is interesting
Mar 24 15:50:51 <Marex> Sleep_Walker: maybe you can also check Travis CI, they have some "free of charge" build service
Mar 24 15:52:47 <Sleep_Walker> it would be nice to have dedicated machine
Mar 24 15:53:07 <Sleep_Walker> to sign packages and have some faith that the builds are not compromised much
Mar 24 15:53:42 <Marex> Sleep_Walker: well, buy one ?
Mar 24 15:53:56 <Sleep_Walker> it's not just HW, but also connectivity
Mar 24 15:54:28 <farcaller> how much resources you need?
Mar 24 15:55:02 <Marex> farcaller: oh ... you're sitting on a bloody datacenter, right ... :)
Mar 24 15:55:19 <farcaller> lol
Mar 24 15:55:34 <Sleep_Walker> my guess is ~4+GB RAM, 4+ cores, ~50+GB
Mar 24 15:56:01 <farcaller> mhm, thought something along those lines
Mar 24 15:56:09 <farcaller> I'm out of disk unfortunately :(
Mar 24 15:56:09 <Marex> Sleep_Walker: that's not much :)
Mar 24 15:56:31 <Marex> farcaller: did google run out of disk space ? maybe I can delete some of my gmail messages :b
Mar 24 15:56:35 <Sleep_Walker> we have now like ~1400 packages, 3 archs
Mar 24 15:56:54 <farcaller> it's not that I can host Sleep_Walker in prod, you know :)
Mar 24 15:57:16 <Marex> farcaller: can't you host him in some container ?
Mar 24 15:57:32 <Sleep_Walker> I'm not sure that these guys would trust google :b
Mar 24 15:57:41 <farcaller> oh I can. but I need to bill someone on that :)
Mar 24 15:57:42 <Sleep_Walker> this distribution is about reproducibility
Mar 24 15:57:52 <Sleep_Walker> about paranoia
Mar 24 15:58:00 <farcaller> paranoia ftw
Mar 24 15:58:00 <Sleep_Walker> about trusing noone
Mar 24 15:58:06 <Sleep_Walker> *trusting
Mar 24 15:58:15 <Marex> the truth is out there !
Mar 24 15:58:16 <Sleep_Walker> and as always with GNU
Mar 24 15:58:24 <Sleep_Walker> decentralized
Mar 24 15:58:44 <Sleep_Walker> they plan to use GNUnet for distributing packages in future
Mar 24 15:58:49 <Sleep_Walker> neat!
Mar 24 15:59:02 <Sleep_Walker> really crazy guys
Mar 24 15:59:12 <farcaller> what about making a distributed currency for building stuff? Compilecoins!
Mar 24 15:59:16 <Marex> Sleep_Walker: do you support Nios II ? :b
Mar 24 15:59:46 <farcaller> you distribute build jobs randomly; verify same build matches for different builders
Mar 24 15:59:48 <Marex> or even big-boys RISC V ? :b
Mar 24 16:00:00 <farcaller> risc v is a thing already?
Mar 24 16:00:15 <Sleep_Walker> I'm arfraid it's the first time I hear about that
Mar 24 16:00:17 <Marex> farcaller: it's getting there ... but in case you're paranoid, you really need to cook your own hardware !
Mar 24 16:00:22 <Marex> farcaller: that is the basics of basics !
Mar 24 16:00:37 <Marex> farcaller: Verilog uber Alles :b
Mar 24 16:00:52 <farcaller> I have a trusted programmable calculator made in SU
Mar 24 16:01:01 <farcaller> it produces verified code :D
Mar 24 16:01:17 <Marex> farcaller: do you still have decatrons in it ? :)
Mar 24 16:01:21 <Sleep_Walker> gluglug is finally catching with Thinkpads
Mar 24 16:01:35 <farcaller> lol
Mar 24 16:01:46 * Marex does a marathon of kimikiss and signaltap debugging :S
Mar 24 16:02:12 <Marex> gotta practice both my japanese (linuxcon jp is coming) and signaltap (linuxcon jp is coming, I'm speaking about FPGAs :) )
Mar 24 16:02:38 <Marex> for whatever reason, my crypto unit in FPGA has some weird clocking bug
Mar 24 16:03:00 <Sleep_Walker> Marex: bring me some japanese student girl, I'll buy some cellar to lock her into
Mar 24 16:03:34 <farcaller> hm, can you bring two then?
Mar 24 16:03:51 <Sleep_Walker> farcaller: I thought that you're not in UK anymore
Mar 24 16:04:03 <Marex> I don't know you ;-/
Mar 24 16:04:10 <farcaller> well, ireland is even further from japan
Mar 24 16:04:19 <Sleep_Walker> ah, OK
Mar 24 16:04:30 <Marex> farcaller: LCJ is full of sysadmins, maybe big G could send you over ...
Mar 24 16:05:13 <farcaller> mhm. my daughter would *totally* appreciate that
Mar 24 16:05:53 <farcaller> escaping to japan does sound tempting though :p
Mar 24 16:05:58 <Marex> farcaller: 15 years from now, you could show her photos from Akiba :)
Mar 24 16:06:03 <farcaller> :D
Mar 24 16:06:19 <Marex> farcaller: "look, your papa didn't give a whack about you when you were young and instead went on screwing cute japanese girls"
Mar 24 16:06:31 <farcaller> "screwing cute japanese girls"
Mar 24 16:06:34 <farcaller> I don't know you ;-/
Mar 24 16:06:57 <farcaller> actually I do
Mar 24 16:07:06 <farcaller> slapin, take off your mask! :p
Mar 24 16:07:19 <Marex> farcaller: I still didn't reach his volume !!
Mar 24 16:07:43 <Sleep_Walker> :D
Mar 24 16:07:54 <Sleep_Walker> good old times :)
Mar 24 16:08:28 <Marex> farcaller: but you're right, in case you screwed with some girls in akiba, the UK border patrol would probably shoot you on sight ...
Mar 24 16:08:40 <farcaller> wut?
Mar 24 16:08:47 <Marex> farcaller: you're be considered perv through and through
Mar 24 16:08:53 <farcaller> how would they even know?
Mar 24 16:09:11 <Marex> farcaller: you'd be emitting pervy aura
Mar 24 16:09:38 <Sleep_Walker> farcaller: don't be afraid - Marex is travelling quite a lot
Mar 24 16:10:06 <farcaller> I have a wolf for that :p
Mar 24 16:10:08 <Marex> Sleep_Walker: I didn't screw any of the akiba girls ...
Mar 24 16:10:13 <Marex> farcaller: aaargh :-E~
Mar 24 16:10:55 <farcaller> :D
Mar 24 16:11:27 <Marex> yeah, good old times
Mar 24 16:12:02 * farcaller downloads some amg manga
Mar 24 16:12:24 <Marex> farcaller: you lost btw, I finished reading before you did :)
Mar 24 16:12:41 <Sleep_Walker> I won - I have never started!
Mar 24 16:12:42 <farcaller> like I ever cared
Mar 24 16:13:54 <farcaller> I won you over at s&w though
Mar 24 16:14:43 <Marex> farcaller: bah, there's still a few volumes to go ... let alone the fact that I did read the LN
Mar 24 16:15:21 <Marex> writing FSM in verilog correctly is not as easy as it might look :)
Mar 24 16:18:49 <Sleep_Walker> I will pretend that I know what you're talking about :b
Mar 24 16:19:16 <farcaller> SM in there is exactly that SM you would expect ;)
Mar 24 16:22:05 <Sleep_Walker> good for him I guess...
Mar 24 16:22:09 <Marex> http://www.asic-world.com/tidbits/verilog_fsm.html ... that page is really cool btw
Mar 24 16:25:26 <Sleep_Walker> gotta go
Mar 24 16:25:38 <farcaller> gl hf
Mar 24 16:25:44 <Sleep_Walker> ;)
Mar 24 17:57:02 <Marex> Sleep_Walker: FPGAs are awesome :)
Mar 24 17:58:26 <farcaller> Furious Perverted Gaijins in Akiba?
Mar 24 18:11:18 <Marex> farcaller: I didn't expect any less from you :)
Mar 24 19:05:22 <Sleep_Walker> I have never use for any
Mar 24 19:05:30 <Sleep_Walker> *had
Mar 24 20:11:58 <Marex> Sleep_Walker: because you're using wimpy hard-CPUs :b
Mar 24 20:16:19 <Sleep_Walker> because I don't care
Mar 24 20:16:26 <Sleep_Walker> (much :b )
Mar 24 20:30:19 <Marex> Sleep_Walker: because you didn't see the awful shyte that can be hidden in those things
Mar 24 20:42:38 <Sleep_Walker> well, things like SMT?
Mar 24 20:51:42 <Marex> Sleep_Walker: please see PM
Mar 24 20:55:34 <Marex> Sleep_Walker: I mean awful stuff like AMD SMU, see this for starters https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yE_PMcwltzo
Mar 24 20:56:16 <Marex> Sleep_Walker: http://www.slideshare.net/codeblue_jp/igor-skochinsky-enpub in case you want something really nasty
Mar 24 20:56:33 <Sleep_Walker> I jsust read that Intel CPUs should contain 3G chip
Mar 24 20:56:33 <Marex> this intel ME is really ... awful
Mar 24 20:56:34 <Sleep_Walker> wtf
Mar 24 20:56:40 <Sleep_Walker> yeah
Mar 24 20:56:44 <Sleep_Walker> do you have alternative?
Mar 24 20:57:04 <Marex> well, plugging that into ME is easy, you already have a webserver running there (so most likely a full OS :) )
Mar 24 20:57:16 <Marex> you can do everything with FPGAs :B
Mar 24 21:00:53 <Marex> that stuff by Igor makes me wet my bed at night ;-)
Mar 24 21:01:00 <Marex> use with caution
Mar 24 21:01:33 <Sleep_Walker> I'd love to have something usable
Mar 24 21:01:37 <Sleep_Walker> not just board
Mar 24 21:18:42 <Marex> Sleep_Walker: Novena ? :)
Mar 24 21:56:44 <Sleep_Walker> Marex: nice
Mar 24 21:57:21 <Sleep_Walker> Novena may be nice HW, but it looks like something which would disassemble in my bag
Mar 24 21:58:38 <Marex> Sleep_Walker: it's pretty sturdy
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