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Apr 02 17:59:16 <Sleep_Walker> Marex: it seems that SUSE opened ARM64 position
Apr 02 17:59:18 <Sleep_Walker> https://attachmatehr.silkroad.com/epostings/index.cfm?fuseaction=app.jobinfo&jobid=307018
Apr 02 17:59:52 <Sleep_Walker> too bad I lost the contact with all of that
Apr 02 18:14:45 <Marex> Sleep_Walker: why the hell is there "silkroad.com" domainname ?
Apr 02 18:14:58 <Marex> Sleep_Walker: wasn't that some illegal website some times ago ?
Apr 02 18:15:00 <Sleep_Walker> I really don't know
Apr 02 18:15:03 <Sleep_Walker> yeah
Apr 02 18:15:15 <Sleep_Walker> we always make fun of them
Apr 02 18:15:20 <Sleep_Walker> but it's HR
Apr 02 18:15:23 <Sleep_Walker> you know
Apr 02 19:08:49 <Marex> Sleep_Walker: how much do they pay ?
Apr 02 19:09:35 <Sleep_Walker> don't expect German or USA salary
Apr 02 19:10:09 <Sleep_Walker> you can have more elsewhere
Apr 02 19:11:17 <Sleep_Walker> but collective is great
Apr 02 20:04:25 <Sleep_Walker> Marex: do you think about applying?
Apr 02 20:04:46 <Sleep_Walker> Marex: in that case don't remember to mention my name so I can have referal bonus ;)
Apr 02 21:52:03 <Marex> Sleep_Walker: I'm a BFU
Apr 02 21:52:13 <Sleep_Walker> ?
Apr 02 21:52:17 <Marex> Sleep_Walker: besides, my current job is all right :b
Apr 02 21:52:25 <Marex> Sleep_Walker: BFU ... B.F.U.
Apr 02 21:52:29 <Sleep_Walker> I don't think that you're BFU
Apr 02 21:52:50 <Sleep_Walker> I think you're Loli-addicted ARM guru
Apr 02 21:53:25 <Marex> Sleep_Walker: wat ?
Apr 02 21:53:31 <Sleep_Walker> you're still wiht denx?
Apr 02 21:53:48 <Marex> Sleep_Walker: I'm more FPGA oriented recently :b
Apr 02 21:54:15 <Sleep_Walker> Fingering and Penetrating Girl's Ass?
Apr 02 21:54:27 <Sleep_Walker> good for you
Apr 02 21:55:02 <Marex> Sleep_Walker: sounds like 5 beers and counting for you ? ;-/
Apr 02 21:55:32 <Marex> Sleep_Walker: btw yeah, I'm still with them, so it's all u-boot, arm-linux, yocto and this kind of stuff
Apr 02 21:56:08 <Sleep_Walker> nope, I'm just too tired for fun today
Apr 02 21:58:12 <Marex> Sleep_Walker: FPGA designers are apparently paid even better than software engineers :b
Apr 02 22:05:32 <Sleep_Walker> I can't compare
Apr 02 22:05:41 <Sleep_Walker> but it is possible
Apr 02 22:06:23 <Sleep_Walker> well, the most money is still probably in bank industry, real-time systems for micro transactions etc
Apr 02 22:07:30 <Marex> Sleep_Walker: yeah, you can make a ton from highspeed trading
Apr 02 22:07:53 <Marex> Sleep_Walker: that's also one of the industries where you use the top-of-the-line FPGAs :b
Apr 02 22:08:09 <Sleep_Walker> I still prefer doing something for others ;b
Apr 02 22:08:56 <Marex> Sleep_Walker: like what ?
Apr 02 22:09:55 <Marex> Sleep_Walker: you can make a lot of money, multiply them even further and then pour them into some charity while still being filthy rich :b
Apr 02 22:09:56 <Sleep_Walker> like work on distribution, fixing problems in generally available software
Apr 02 22:10:27 <Sleep_Walker> I'm glad to hear that you're loaded
Apr 02 22:10:47 <Sleep_Walker> it's handy for living
Apr 02 22:12:44 <Marex> Sleep_Walker: not yet, but look at people like Musk or Branson, they do cool stuff with global impact while making money
Apr 02 22:12:59 <Marex> Sleep_Walker: to do such stuff, you need some kind of an initial capital
Apr 02 22:13:09 <Sleep_Walker> right
Apr 02 22:13:25 <Sleep_Walker> I aim not so high :b
Apr 02 22:15:39 <Marex> Sleep_Walker: it's important to aim high :)
Apr 02 22:15:52 <Sleep_Walker> not to pee on the shoes, I know :b
Apr 02 22:16:09 <Marex> :D
Apr 02 22:17:48 <Marex> Sleep_Walker: it's also fun to make tanglible stuff, it's just more expensive than making software :S
Apr 02 22:31:49 <Marex> Sleep_Walker: btw there are certain talks going on that intel might buy altera, in which case I wouldn't be surprised by intel releasing an x86-fpga combo chip
Apr 02 22:33:10 <Sleep_Walker> interesting
Apr 02 22:34:37 <Marex> Sleep_Walker: it only makes sense, esp. for ie. offloading repetitive, but computationaly heavy tasks
Apr 02 22:34:55 <Sleep_Walker> what other company does manufacture FPGAs?
Apr 02 22:34:56 <Marex> the paralelism of FPGA is also beyond that of GPUs
Apr 02 22:35:00 <Marex> Sleep_Walker: xilinx
Apr 02 22:35:05 <Marex> Sleep_Walker: lattice
Apr 02 22:35:11 <Marex> (lattice is small)
Apr 02 22:35:18 <Marex> AMD did manufacture GALs and PALs :b
Apr 02 22:35:25 <Marex> but those are not exactly FPGAs
Apr 02 22:35:34 <Marex> there was one more ... hmmmm ... what was the name again
Apr 02 22:35:50 <Sleep_Walker> so there is still lot of alternatives - good
Apr 02 22:35:56 <Marex> http://www.fpgadeveloper.com/2011/07/list-and-comparison-of-fpga-companies.html
Apr 02 22:35:59 <Marex> microsemi, right
Apr 02 22:36:09 <Sleep_Walker> I'd rather not see Intel's monopol again
Apr 02 22:36:15 <Marex> well, xilinx is the biggest, second is altera, the rest are way smaller
Apr 02 22:37:03 <Sleep_Walker> I still can't imagine what I'd use FPGA for
Apr 02 22:37:16 <Sleep_Walker> 0verkill accelerator?
Apr 02 22:38:19 <Marex> Sleep_Walker: highly-parallelised symetric crypto offload for example
Apr 02 22:38:20 <Sleep_Walker> could you create GCC in FPGA?
Apr 02 22:38:33 <Marex> Sleep_Walker: OpenCL....anything (computer vision related stuff for example)
Apr 02 22:39:12 <Sleep_Walker> john the ripper - FPGA edition
Apr 02 22:39:31 <Marex> Sleep_Walker: well, bitcoin mining was done on FPGAs for a while, until they moved to custom silicon
Apr 02 22:39:47 <Sleep_Walker> yeah
Apr 02 22:39:52 <Marex> Sleep_Walker: every time you need some kind of a well defined real-time processing, the FPGA can help
Apr 02 22:40:11 <Sleep_Walker> well said
Apr 02 22:40:46 <Marex> that's one of the selling points there, you can make a design which you can analyze and create some expectations based on that
Apr 02 22:40:57 <Marex> you cannot do that with a contemporary CPU full of caches and stuff
Apr 02 22:41:36 <Marex> also, in case you need to model some obscure I/O circuitry (for simple example, SPI slave), FPGA is really helpful there
Apr 02 22:42:58 <Marex> note that the FPGA doesn;t usually run at amazing clock speed , the logic blocks max out at some 200 MHz or so, which is why you make extensive use of the parallelism and pipelining there
Apr 02 22:43:38 <Sleep_Walker> the only example of use I understand and remember was in Cisco switches for routing
Apr 02 22:44:02 <Marex> (I think altera CV SX maxes out at some 200 MHz , higher-end ones might max out further, but are also bloody expensive)
Apr 02 22:44:16 <Marex> Sleep_Walker: sure, that's a sensible one too
Apr 02 22:45:20 <Marex> Sleep_Walker: for example, slightly more expensive arriav devkit has 2 40Gbps SFP slots and you can implement ethernet<->avalon ST bridges no problem
Apr 02 22:45:37 <Marex> Sleep_Walker: then you just do streaming processing of the network packets real quick
Apr 02 22:46:51 <Marex> Sleep_Walker: also, modern FPGAs usually have differential transceivers (the lowest end cyclone IV GT for example has I think four 3.125GT/s ones), so PCIe, USB, SATA ... no problem there at all
Apr 02 22:48:49 <Marex> yeah, FPGAs are super :b
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