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Sep 04 16:23:32 <ubptgbot> <utkarsh_ut> Hey
Sep 04 16:24:30 <ubptgbot> <utkarsh_ut> I was thinking of building a port for LUMIA 525, in the docs it is stated that 16gb storage is reqd., my lumia has 8gb. Will it work?
Sep 04 16:25:11 <cacti_chameleon9> It can be done yes
Sep 04 16:26:03 <antoine62[m]> <ubptgbot "<utkarsh_ut> I was thinking of b"> Is it a windows phone?
Sep 04 16:27:40 <antoine62[m]> Oh, wait, lineageos actually exist for lumia 52X, but its a windows phone
Sep 04 16:27:58 <cacti_chameleon9> Hmm... It may be possible then
Sep 04 16:31:03 <ubptgbot> <utkarsh_ut> Ok so i'll give it a try
Sep 04 16:31:24 <ubptgbot> <utkarsh_ut> What is this IRC Bridge?
Sep 04 16:32:03 <ubptgbot> <dohbee> this group is bridged to a channel on freenode IRC, which is also bridged to a group on Matrix
Sep 04 16:32:18 <ubptgbot> <utkarsh_ut> Oh ok.. Thanks
Sep 04 16:33:15 <nergzd723[m]> Halium on lumia 535 is a very, very ugly hack
Sep 04 16:34:00 <nergzd723[m]> You take crafted android which is not supposed to run on it, smashing it into lxc container and hoping that UT/plamo will work with those blobs
Sep 04 16:34:10 <nergzd723[m]> Mainlining might be easier
Sep 04 16:34:18 <nergzd723[m]> imo
Sep 04 16:35:25 <Fuseteam> mainlining easier? that's a first time i heard that :p
Sep 04 16:36:54 <cacti_chameleon9> Sorry... what's mainlining
Sep 04 16:37:25 <Fuseteam> it getting everything on the device working with an "mainline" linux kernel
Sep 04 16:37:31 <nergzd723[m]> Putting mainline linux on Android phones
Sep 04 16:37:34 <antoine62[m]> <cacti_chameleon9 "Sorry... what's mainlining"> Makinh a kernel that is compatible with you device and close to the mainline linux kernel
Sep 04 16:37:35 <ubptgbot> <dohbee> using open source drivers and no android
Sep 04 16:38:06 <Fuseteam> without coorperation from the manufacturer it typical involves reverse engineering
Sep 04 16:38:21 <cacti_chameleon9> OK, thanks
Sep 04 16:38:30 <nergzd723[m]> yeah
Sep 04 16:38:37 <antoine62[m]> * Making a kernel that is compatible with your device and close to the mainline linux kernel
Sep 04 16:38:51 <nergzd723[m]> But many SoC's are already mainlined
Sep 04 16:38:52 <nergzd723[m]> And you just need to add/write device drivers
Sep 04 16:39:26 <Fuseteam> "just add/write device drivers" is as trivial as it sounds fwiw
Sep 04 16:40:08 <Fuseteam> driver belong in the "without manufacturer cooperation you need to reverse engineer them" camp
Sep 04 16:40:25 <Fuseteam> *is not as trivial as it sounds
Sep 04 16:41:11 <nergzd723[m]> lol
Sep 04 16:41:35 <nergzd723[m]> Adding existing drivers is usually super ez
Sep 04 16:41:42 <nergzd723[m]> Writing new ones... depends
Sep 04 16:41:58 <nergzd723[m]> <Fuseteam "driver belong in the "without ma"> Nah
Sep 04 16:42:11 <nergzd723[m]> You already have downstream Linux driver for it
Sep 04 16:42:12 <Fuseteam> even google is fighting for a way to get mainline linux to work on "any android" device.
Sep 04 16:42:54 <Fuseteam> well no proprietary drivers typically break on kernel updates unless it is fixed/maintained
Sep 04 16:43:31 <Fuseteam> which unless you have the source code is not doable without the manufacturer
Sep 04 16:57:49 <ubptgbot> <dohbee> if getting open source drivers written was easy, we wouldn't bother with android to run linux phones
Sep 04 17:20:06 <cacti_chameleon9> How likely would a company, if asked nicely, send the soucre code of a out of date device?
Sep 04 17:21:26 <ubptgbot> <dohbee> probably not at all, or we'd have the source for bt/wifi firmware in nexus 4/5/6 already for example, along with all the drivers
Sep 04 17:22:11 <cacti_chameleon9> have people tried asking?
Sep 04 17:22:26 <ubptgbot> <dohbee> typically firmware/drivers contain some "secrets" which are claimed to still be used in newer devices
Sep 04 17:23:07 <cacti_chameleon9> OK... just wondering. Thanks
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Sep 04 19:00:49 <Fuseteam> heck halium exists __because__ it's not easy getting open sourced drivers written/get the driver source code
Sep 04 19:30:59 <nergzd723[m]1> We have a lot of source already
Sep 04 19:31:08 <nergzd723[m]1> But that’s old and poor quality
Sep 04 19:31:18 <nergzd723[m]1> So most people decide to write it from scratch
Sep 04 20:17:27 <nergzd723[m]1> cacti_chameleon9: I asked some(like 4 or 5) only 1 responded with “sry it’s confidential bye”
Sep 04 20:17:35 <nergzd723[m]1> So they don’t want to share anything
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Sep 04 22:04:50 <Fuseteam> <nergzd723[m]1 "We have a lot of source already"> i dunno about that tbh, not based on what i've seen so far
Sep 04 22:05:53 <nergzd723[m]1> Well, downstream kernel source is very useful
Sep 04 22:07:22 <Fuseteam> i mean the linux kernel ABI is unstable (for a reason) so knowing how the downstream kernel interact with proprietary drivers won't help running on the mainline kernel and it will break down the line
Sep 04 22:08:10 <Fuseteam> even google has a hard time figuring out how to work with those drivers without "Stabilizing" the linux ABI
Sep 04 22:08:52 <ubptgbot> <dohbee> anyway, we don't need to argue about it in here. halium is for using android kernel/drivers/HAL to run more traditional linux distributions on top of
Sep 04 22:09:25 <ubptgbot> <fredldotme> Yes, please keep discussion here about Halium porting and help requests.
Sep 04 22:25:38 <ubptgbot> <Bodzey> Halium is kernel?
Sep 04 22:26:34 <ubptgbot> <fredldotme> Halium is mostly a minimal and modified Android user land, distros might impose certain requirements on the kernel though.
Sep 04 22:27:11 <ubptgbot> <fredldotme> [Edit] Halium is mostly a minimal and modified Android userland, distros might impose certain requirements on the kernel though.
Sep 04 22:30:12 <ubptgbot> <Bodzey> @fredldotme [Halium is mostly a minimal and modified Android userland, distros might impose c …], So, it give opportunity to launch any aarm64 distros?
Sep 04 22:31:16 <ubptgbot> <fredldotme> @Bodzey [So, it give opportunity to launch any aarm64 distros?], Yeah
Sep 04 22:32:41 <Fuseteam> true that i'm mostly hear to get a grasp how halium works anyway
Sep 04 22:42:45 <ubptgbot> <Bodzey> @fredldotme [Yeah], And this distros installing over android, like a shell?
Sep 04 22:43:16 <nergzd723[m]1> No
Sep 04 22:43:23 <nergzd723[m]1> Android is running in a container
Sep 04 22:43:23 <ubptgbot> <fredldotme> @Bodzey [And this distros installing over android, like a shell?], Not really, they run Android in a container like LXC. This requires modifications to the Android bits, sometimes even device-specific ones.
Sep 04 22:43:32 <nergzd723[m]1> Providing hw interfaces
Sep 04 22:43:39 <nergzd723[m]1> To GNU/Linux system
Sep 04 22:53:24 <ubptgbot> <Bodzey> @nergzd723[m]1 [Providing hw interfaces], So, android just running only for hw access?
Sep 04 22:53:50 <nergzd723[m]1> ofc
Sep 04 22:53:55 <nergzd723[m]1> That's the point of Halium
Sep 04 22:54:27 <ubptgbot> <Bodzey> @nergzd723[m]1 [That's the point of Halium], Cool. I just try to understand how it works)
Sep 04 22:55:03 <ubptgbot> <Bodzey> @nergzd723[m]1 [That's the point of Halium], [Edit] Cool. I just trying to understand how it works)
Sep 04 23:02:47 <ubptgbot> <Bodzey> I think man who who invented using stock android, system, vendor for linux access to hardware - genius
Sep 04 23:03:58 <ubptgbot> <fredldotme> Thank Carsten Munk for libhybris in the first place (not affiliated with Halium)
Sep 04 23:04:19 <ubptgbot> <fredldotme> Credit where credit is due, he's a cool guy.
Sep 04 23:05:00 <nergzd723[m]1> Yep, I would think it's too complicated
Sep 04 23:05:11 <nergzd723[m]1> And in fact, it is too complicated
Sep 04 23:05:15 <nergzd723[m]1> But it somehow works
Sep 04 23:05:18 <nergzd723[m]1> And that's cool
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