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Nov 10 10:36:18 <bluelightning> hi ant_work
Nov 10 10:36:29 <bluelightning> sorry I missed your ping the other day, anything I can help with?
Nov 10 10:36:53 <ant_work> hi
Nov 10 10:37:19 <ant_work> I'm traveling a lot those days..
Nov 10 10:37:31 <ant_work> I tried to build w/out meta-oe
Nov 10 10:37:47 <ant_work> and I have to say the results are more predictable...
Nov 10 10:38:19 <ant_work> in fact I was thinking that we only have the klibc bits in meta-oe
Nov 10 10:38:30 <ant_work> (class and recipe)
Nov 10 10:39:46 <ant_work> now, while supporting meta-oe, I'm thinking that mayb we could pull back those in meta-handheld and be independent
Nov 10 10:40:11 <bluelightning> possibly, but my preferred approach would be to fix meta-oe
Nov 10 10:40:44 <ant_work> look, I'm flying very low...aiming at core-image-sato
Nov 10 10:40:55 <bluelightning> are you able to narrow down the "unpredictability" in any way?
Nov 10 10:41:01 <ant_work> almost
Nov 10 10:42:00 <ant_work> apart udev and initscripts/systemd
Nov 10 10:42:11 <ant_work> the actual problem is the X server
Nov 10 10:43:30 <ant_work> the one in oe-core just lacks xf86-video-fbdev
Nov 10 10:43:46 <ant_work> (and xinput and xinput-calibrator)
Nov 10 10:43:50 <ant_work> from meta-oe
Nov 10 10:43:52 <ant_work> that's all
Nov 10 10:44:16 <bluelightning> well, can we not try to get those moved to oe-core?
Nov 10 10:44:33 <ant_work> the other in meta-oe has a different xserver-nodm-init and uses different -common
Nov 10 10:44:54 <bluelightning> the question as always with these things is "why?"
Nov 10 10:44:58 <ant_work> heh
Nov 10 10:45:12 <ant_work> iirc because of the 'no-cursor' option
Nov 10 10:46:27 <bluelightning> duplicated recipes just to remove the cursor...??
Nov 10 10:47:35 <ant_work> and rootless X maybe...
Nov 10 10:47:51 <ant_work> but anyway, if we apply in meta-handheld this
Nov 10 10:47:52 <ant_work> https://gitorious.org/shr/meta-handheld/commit/d3793e1c2e7b28ce798a6ca1c253bfca05a462b7
Nov 10 10:48:25 <ant_work> we then need xf86-video-fbdev
Nov 10 10:49:13 <ant_work> and somehow the x scripts in oe-core are still pulling xtscal when tslib is 'deprecated' in favor of input events
Nov 10 10:49:41 <ant_work> thus we could borrow the xinput-calibrator and its xinput dependency
Nov 10 10:50:44 <ant_work> but the original issue is in the duplicate xserver-nodm-init
Nov 10 10:51:22 <ant_work> and from the xserver-common vs. x11-common
Nov 10 10:54:37 <ant_work> bluelightning: maybe ask Joshua? Isn't he working on x those days?
Nov 10 10:55:28 <bluelightning> not really...
Nov 10 10:55:41 <bluelightning> my suggestion would be to start the discussion on the mailing list
Nov 10 10:56:14 <bluelightning> the problem I have is I don't know a lot about X, particularly the details of the things you mention here
Nov 10 11:01:26 <ant_work> I started a thread, I'll revive it
Nov 10 11:01:52 <ant_work> imho we are half-way with the merge
Nov 10 11:05:15 <ant_work> bluelightning: anyway the patch ^^ makes sense for meta-handheld (we discussed with RP too)
Nov 10 11:06:55 <bluelightning> ant_work: yep I'll take that patch
Nov 10 11:07:30 <ant_work> thx
Nov 10 11:07:42 <ant_work> I'l ltry to lure JaMa on the matter once he'll appears
Nov 10 11:07:55 <ant_work>  -s
Nov 10 11:08:24 <bluelightning> yeah, if I could have a pull request/patch(es) that would be good
Nov 10 23:31:51 <ant____> cd ..
Nov 10 23:35:23 <ant____> bluelightning: ping
Nov 10 23:35:31 <bluelightning> hi ant____
Nov 10 23:35:40 <ant____> hi, I'm updating...can we avoid
Nov 10 23:35:42 <ant____> # Untracked files:
Nov 10 23:35:42 <ant____> #   (use "git add <file>..." to include in what will be committed)
Nov 10 23:35:42 <ant____> #
Nov 10 23:35:42 <ant____> #	../bitbake/
Nov 10 23:35:42 <ant____> #	../build/
Nov 10 23:35:52 <ant____> gitignore?
Nov 10 23:36:13 <ant____> this is stock oe-core checkout
Nov 10 23:36:24 <bluelightning> hmm, I thought those were already in there...
Nov 10 23:36:30 <bluelightning> well, build at least
Nov 10 23:36:47 <ant____> I never git-added those dirsa
Nov 10 23:37:19 <ant____> in fact, to update bitbake you have to be in its dir
Nov 10 23:37:40 <bluelightning> what's in your build dir?
Nov 10 23:37:58 <ant____> andrea@mizar /oe/oe-core/bitbake $ ls ../build/
Nov 10 23:37:58 <ant____> conf  downloads  pseudodone  sstate-cache  tmp-eglibc
Nov 10 23:38:16 <bluelightning> for whatever reason, we've chosen to be specific about the files we ignore under build/
Nov 10 23:38:31 <bluelightning> probably one for the mailing list I'm afraid
Nov 10 23:39:14 <ant____> or maybe I did something bad when I cloned...
Nov 10 23:39:37 <ant____> (I'd exclude that)
Nov 10 23:43:21 <ant____> ok, I'll retry tomoorow
Nov 10 23:43:34 <ant____> rebuild launched
Nov 10 23:43:38 <ant____> god nite
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