**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jun 05 03:00:15 2018
Jun 05 07:25:05 * greguu got the gemini today
Jun 05 08:18:42 <greguu> VartiWork: Did you get your Gemini yet ? Mine arrived today
Jun 05 08:19:27 <VartiWork> wow
Jun 05 08:19:30 <VartiWork> congrats
Jun 05 08:19:49 <VartiWork> no, still no signs of mine, and still no tracking email
Jun 05 08:20:18 <greguu> hm, maybe because you chose a rare keyboard layout ?
Jun 05 08:20:19 <VartiWork> I was thinking of getting in touch with planet, since my account has been locked since 3 weeks by now
Jun 05 08:20:54 <VartiWork> uncommon keyboard layout + accessories + back camera add-on
Jun 05 08:21:09 <VartiWork> so that might be well the reasons of the delay
Jun 05 08:21:28 <VartiWork> just I don't understand why they have locked the order anyway
Jun 05 08:21:37 <greguu> I got the 4G upgrade, pouch and camera add-on today
Jun 05 08:21:41 <VartiWork> any first impression on your unit?
Jun 05 08:21:49 <VartiWork> ah
Jun 05 08:21:55 <greguu> well, the bad news first
Jun 05 08:21:59 <VartiWork> :(
Jun 05 08:22:06 <greguu> the camera add on is not that good
Jun 05 08:22:21 <VartiWork> well, 4 megapixels
Jun 05 08:22:30 <greguu> quality is same as the front camera, 5 mp ?
Jun 05 08:22:41 <VartiWork> or 5, I don't remember
Jun 05 08:22:56 <greguu> its ok, but I would not order it again (the camera module~
Jun 05 08:23:06 <VartiWork> yes, the camera add-on was a last-minute addition
Jun 05 08:23:22 <greguu> also it makes the device more thick
Jun 05 08:23:28 <greguu> I am thinking about removing it again
Jun 05 08:23:38 <greguu> it still fits in the pouch ok
Jun 05 08:23:45 <VartiWork> my hope is that either Planet or any third party will release a better camera addon
Jun 05 08:23:52 <VartiWork> I'd leave it there
Jun 05 08:24:09 <VartiWork> you might need for apps which required to scan an IQ code
Jun 05 08:24:16 <VartiWork> required = require
Jun 05 08:24:18 <greguu> hm, yes.
Jun 05 08:24:51 <VartiWork> they usually don't work with a front camera, unless you fiddle with the config in Android
Jun 05 08:24:58 <greguu> there is a bubble on one of the corners of the screen protectors... not a big issue
Jun 05 08:25:16 <greguu> the keyboard seems to be ok, I got into typing pretty much right away.. s
Jun 05 08:25:26 <VartiWork> and anyway it would be difficult to make a shot with the front camera :)
Jun 05 08:25:27 <greguu> the space bar issue is not that of an issue actually. not for me
Jun 05 08:25:50 <VartiWork> the screen protector is meant to be removed
Jun 05 08:25:53 <greguu> one key felt a bit hard, but after a bit of typing its all good
Jun 05 08:26:15 <VartiWork> though it is useful to prevent greasy fingerprints on the screen
Jun 05 08:26:20 <VartiWork> that's good to hear
Jun 05 08:26:35 <greguu> there is a bit of movement (tilt) with some keys
Jun 05 08:26:45 <VartiWork> be careful with the sharp edges of the hinge when closing it :)
Jun 05 08:26:46 <greguu> this was reported before
Jun 05 08:26:52 <VartiWork> aha
Jun 05 08:26:52 <greguu> not an issue for me, hard to notice
Jun 05 08:27:13 <greguu> the sharp edges are there, yes, but I did not hurt myself so far
Jun 05 08:27:14 <VartiWork> what's important is that you can confortably type on it
Jun 05 08:27:30 <greguu> yes, that does work once you get the right keyboard layout set in Android
Jun 05 08:27:45 <VartiWork> I really hope I'll get mine before we go to the two weeks trip next August
Jun 05 08:27:47 <greguu> I have not found out how to use F1 to F12 yet
Jun 05 08:28:20 <greguu> its fast and snappy, I have not tried any Linux yet.
Jun 05 08:28:25 <greguu> ah
Jun 05 08:28:46 <greguu> what I found was that the call answering while having it closed did not seem to detect the orientation of the device
Jun 05 08:29:04 <greguu> I installed a "level app" and the sensor works
Jun 05 08:29:11 <greguu> but also screen rotation did not work for me
Jun 05 08:29:48 <VartiWork> the screen rotation bit is a bit tricky, I have read
Jun 05 08:29:58 <greguu> another thing is it still shows a second sim card slot and status, despite me disabling it
Jun 05 08:30:13 <greguu> 4G works, so does Wifi
Jun 05 08:30:17 <greguu> here in NZ
Jun 05 08:30:35 <VartiWork> yes, that's a known issue
Jun 05 08:30:36 <greguu> the bogous OTA update was finally disabled
Jun 05 08:30:46 <greguu> I did not get promted to upgrade
Jun 05 08:30:47 <VartiWork> I was about to write about that
Jun 05 08:30:56 <VartiWork> good the removed it
Jun 05 08:31:16 <VartiWork> bad timing I guess, Planet are still in Japan AFAIK
Jun 05 08:31:41 <greguu> so far I am fine, I guess I could have saved the money on the pouch and camera, but hey
Jun 05 08:32:04 <greguu> I will play with Android for a few days, then start building a kexecboot kernel
Jun 05 08:32:26 <greguu> I am not sure I will use much Debian, maybe just as a base to test and chroot into Arch or Alpine or Void
Jun 05 08:33:00 <greguu> Android works fine, but its not made for the landscape orientation and keyboard input
Jun 05 08:33:15 <greguu> big hopes for Sailfish X for the Gemini
Jun 05 08:34:12 <greguu> minor issue, the charger is US / Japan style, not AUS/NZ...
Jun 05 08:34:29 <greguu> also it charges really slow or not at all while on a standard USB port
Jun 05 08:38:39 <VartiWork> looking forward for your kexecboot port
Jun 05 08:38:54 <VartiWork> I'll gladly test it once I'll have my device
Jun 05 08:40:10 <VartiWork> Omegamoon has received his unit too
Jun 05 08:41:10 <VartiWork> I'm not sure, was an AU charger available as an option when you ordered it?
Jun 05 08:41:34 <VartiWork> if it was and you ordered it, you should ask Planet to send you the correct charger
Jun 05 08:41:35 <Omegamoon> greguu, VartiWork as far as kexecboot port... it won't work on the Gemini
Jun 05 08:41:48 <VartiWork> AFAIK
Jun 05 08:42:16 <VartiWork> fast charging works only using the included wall charger
Jun 05 08:42:31 <Omegamoon> the 3.18 kernel has no support for kexec, all arm64 parts are missing
Jun 05 08:42:43 <Omegamoon> for kexec that is
Jun 05 08:42:51 <VartiWork> or a compatible PE+ charger, which are now rare to find
Jun 05 08:45:04 <VartiWork> you mean that the Gemini's 3.18 kernel can't be booted from kexec? I was under the impression that the version of the kernel of kexec and the one you'd like to boot don't have to be the same revision
Jun 05 08:45:13 <VartiWork> s/revision/version/
Jun 05 08:48:08 <Omegamoon> the Gemini's 3.18 kernel has no kexec support build in, so it won't be able to boot any other kernels
Jun 05 08:57:57 <greguu> there is mainline support for this soc
Jun 05 08:58:02 <greguu> but pretty limited
Jun 05 08:58:23 <greguu> maybe just needs mediatek framebuffer ported to make kexecboot work
Jun 05 08:59:08 <greguu> all the other features are not important for a kexecboot kernel
Jun 05 08:59:28 <greguu> so, yes maybe not with 3.18, but it can be done
Jun 05 09:00:30 <VartiWork> ok, I got it now, sorry for the dumb question
Jun 05 09:02:20 <Omegamoon> sure, it can be done... but given the fact that there is an Oreo on the way...
Jun 05 09:02:39 <Omegamoon> that will have a 4.4+ kernel
Jun 05 09:03:16 <VartiWork> fingers crossed that it will be released
Jun 05 09:03:44 <greguu> yes, I was just about to say, we have not seen a phone with this soc and oreo yet
Jun 05 09:04:03 <greguu> well, yes, there are, but still with kernel 3.18
Jun 05 09:04:50 <greguu> lenovo is about to release oreo for one of their x27 devices next month
Jun 05 09:10:28 <VartiWork> greguu, Omegamoon: what shipping company was used to ship your devices?
Jun 05 09:10:43 <greguu> DHL Express International
Jun 05 09:10:51 <greguu> from HongKong
Jun 05 09:10:57 <greguu> took 4 days
Jun 05 09:12:09 <VartiWork> ok, it seems they are using Hermes for UE or for UK only, I'm not sure
Jun 05 09:12:46 <VartiWork> just checking all my mail folders, to make sure that the tracking email wasn't treated as spam
Jun 05 09:13:48 <greguu> I got a confirmation email from DHL. Then I went to their site and added my mobile number and email and I got any updates via SMS
Jun 05 09:13:59 <greguu> it was pretty good
Jun 05 09:14:06 <greguu> and arrived one day before ETA
Jun 05 09:14:44 <VartiWork> nice
Jun 05 09:15:00 <VartiWork> no email from them, I'll now send an email to Robin
Jun 05 09:25:56 <Omegamoon> Gemini was sent using DPD for me
Jun 05 09:26:14 <Omegamoon> and it was sent from UK
Jun 05 09:27:07 <greguu> by the way, I did some research on the Lenovo K8 Plus (actually X23 not X27, but same soc type) and the crowd is complaining about no Oreo update for this soc
Jun 05 09:27:09 <Omegamoon> I got a new dispatch email yesterday, this time I hope they sent all the missing pieces :-/
Jun 05 09:27:41 <greguu> Omegamoon: what was missing ?
Jun 05 09:27:44 <Omegamoon> hmm... when Oreo finally arrives we have to wait some time for the source code to arrive
Jun 05 09:28:29 <Omegamoon> greguu, HDMI cable, USB hub, camera, leather pouch... all missing
Jun 05 09:28:33 <greguu> lenovo is not too bad as I heard about their android source, but I wonder will they ever release Oreo and will it be kernel 4.4 ?
Jun 05 09:28:36 <Omegamoon> i only got the Gemini
Jun 05 09:29:03 <greguu> ah, ok, I got a package with pouch, camera, gemini today, all in one
Jun 05 09:29:49 <greguu> this reminds me, I got to test the USB C hub I already have
Jun 05 09:29:54 <Omegamoon> for Oreo it is Google is mandating vendors to use kernel 4.4+
Jun 05 09:53:26 <Omegamoon> don't know what they are doing over there at Planet Computers...
Jun 05 09:54:34 <Omegamoon> I got an email yesterday about shipment of the "All-in upgrade"...
Jun 05 09:54:47 <Omegamoon> now I got another email saying they shipped the camera
Jun 05 09:55:08 <Omegamoon> not very efficient ;-)
Jun 05 09:57:53 <VartiWork> heh
Jun 05 09:58:22 <VartiWork> they maybe shipped them separately? but so far you only got one tracking email, isn't it?
Jun 05 10:03:43 <Omegamoon> no, I got a 2nd tracking mail also
Jun 05 10:04:34 <Omegamoon> well, I'm glad they finally ship it, so I won't complain ;-)
Jun 05 10:09:13 <Omegamoon> wow... I have 3 tracking numbers now
Jun 05 10:09:34 <Omegamoon> I hope they sent me an extra Gemini also :P
Jun 05 10:10:19 <greguu> Omegamoon: There have been several Mediatek SoC based Oreo releases with kernel 3.x.. yes, very odd, but no 4.4 for the X23-X27 Helios as far as i know
Jun 05 10:11:16 <greguu> If Planet does manage to get a 4.4.x with source, we are lucky
Jun 05 10:13:45 <greguu> the official sailfish x release for the gemini (maybe september 2018) may contribute to that... I hope it will happen
Jun 05 10:14:31 <greguu> the sailfish x port will be very likely android based.. unless jolla pulls a stunt
Jun 05 10:16:25 <greguu> 4.4.x may be good until 2022 or so..
Jun 05 10:16:37 <Omegamoon> https://source.android.com/devices/architecture/kernel/modular-kernels#core-kernel-requirements
Jun 05 10:17:20 <Omegamoon> the question is how this should be interpreted: "All SoCs productized in 2017 must launch with kernel 4.4 or newer"
Jun 05 10:17:41 <Omegamoon> the X27 launched in december 2016
Jun 05 10:17:54 <greguu> yes, there you go
Jun 05 10:19:45 <greguu> this explains why vendors go the easy route to just release oreo with 3.18 kernel
Jun 05 10:20:21 <greguu> maybe planet computers earned enough cash to pay mediatek to push out a new sdk and kernel 4.4
Jun 05 10:21:03 <greguu> I doubt it, if lenovo and other giants did no persued it
Jun 05 10:21:36 <greguu> lets be optimistic ..:)
Jun 05 10:21:40 <greguu> lol
Jun 05 10:22:18 <greguu> I certainly hope for it.. not 4.4 but mainline eventually]
Jun 05 10:22:49 <Omegamoon> it's a long, long road before mainline will be available!
Jun 05 10:23:07 <greguu> well there is already, albeit pretty basic
Jun 05 10:24:52 * greguu is looking for the link
Jun 05 10:30:45 <greguu> https://github.com/freedomtan/X20-96-board/wiki/booting-mainline-kernel
Jun 05 10:33:34 <greguu> this was or kernel 4.9 rc1
Jun 05 10:33:55 <greguu> s/for/or
Jun 05 10:34:30 <greguu> Omegamoon, I will play with this once I got more familiar with the device...
Jun 05 10:34:42 <greguu> maybe we can work on that..
Jun 05 10:36:09 <Omegamoon> sure... I got as far as preparing a petitboot image (sorry for that in this kexecboot channel :-[)
Jun 05 10:36:53 <Omegamoon> when I finally wanted to try it out on the Gemini device... only then I found out that kexec parts were missing in the kernel :(
Jun 05 10:37:19 <greguu> backport it
Jun 05 10:37:58 <greguu> dont be sorry, you are the OP of this channel :) recommending another product :)
Jun 05 10:39:24 <greguu> Omegamoon: do you have the flappy screen issue ?
Jun 05 10:39:33 <greguu> on your gemini..
Jun 05 10:41:11 <Omegamoon> greguu... help me here... what is 'the flappy screen issue' ? :P
Jun 05 10:41:39 <greguu> hah, it was reporte on OESF and the official forum
Jun 05 10:42:05 <greguu> when you hold your Gemini above your head, eg, when lying down, it will close the screen
Jun 05 10:42:11 <greguu> by force of gravity
Jun 05 10:44:20 <greguu> the hinge spring does not hold the weight of the screen if you are lying down or at an "odd" angle
Jun 05 10:44:34 * Omegamoon is looking stupid now... with a Gemini above his head
Jun 05 10:44:40 <greguu> lol
Jun 05 10:44:51 <Omegamoon> no flappy screen here :D
Jun 05 10:45:30 <greguu> maybe it just me
Jun 05 10:46:27 <greguu> if I hold it while lying on the bed with my back facing the bed, the screen closes if I start typing
Jun 05 10:47:09 <greguu> as said, the gravity is stronger than the spring in the hinge
Jun 05 10:47:28 <greguu> you do not notice it if you use it on an horizontal plane
Jun 05 11:09:37 <greguu> another issue, alarms can not be snoozed by pushing the only button. need to open the screen
Jun 05 11:20:23 <VartiWork> consider that you might have a stronger gravity down there in NZ than here in EU :P
Jun 05 11:38:11 <greguu> haha
Jun 05 11:41:36 <greguu> once you get yours you will know what I mean
Jun 05 11:43:50 <VartiWork> I find it unconfortable to use a device while laying down on my back anyway
Jun 05 11:45:59 <VartiWork> last week I brought my Akita in my vacation trip, while on the bed I preferred to place it on the bed and use it that way
Jun 05 12:19:26 <Omegamoon> you guys saw the "One Netbook One Mix"?
Jun 05 12:19:31 <Omegamoon> https://www.gearbest.com/promotion-One%20Netbook%20Laptop-2489.html
Jun 05 12:20:42 <Omegamoon> that formfactor is nice... like the good old Zaurus
Jun 05 12:20:59 <Omegamoon>  although the device all-in-all is a bit too big in my opinion
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