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Sep 25 14:32:22 <munchausen> Hi guys, I hear this is the most active place I might find some information about zaurus sl-5500/5600 and ipaq h5500 linux support?
Sep 25 14:34:09 <munchausen> I saw that poodle is included in the linuxpda builds
Sep 25 14:44:06 <munchausen> Does anyone know the status of the kernel for those devices? And point me at the source? (I am not sure if it's mainlined, it looks like h5000 might be?)
Sep 25 14:45:30 <munchausen> And is there a workable userland around (not sure if void\ works?)
Sep 25 14:45:47 <munchausen> voidz
Sep 25 15:26:49 <ant_work> hi munchausen
Sep 25 15:27:15 <ant_work> poodle is almost mainlined
Sep 25 15:27:53 <ant_work> for kernel 4.4 there is a big patchset for collie and incidentally poodle (locomo)
Sep 25 15:28:42 <ant_work> (this patchset adds SD card to collie and battery driver to poodle)
Sep 25 15:29:03 <ant_work> you can build without this patchset
Sep 25 15:29:24 <ant_work> I have put some demo images here
Sep 25 15:29:26 <ant_work> https://github.com/LinuxPDA/test-images-2018-09-23
Sep 25 15:29:47 <ant_work> for void you have to ask greguu
Sep 25 15:29:54 <munchausen> ant_work thanks
Sep 25 15:30:25 <munchausen> Where do the patches live?
Sep 25 15:30:30 <ant_work> I do develop for Zaurus with OpenEmbedded
Sep 25 15:30:32 <ant_work> http://cgit.openembedded.org/meta-handheld/tree/
Sep 25 15:30:46 <munchausen> So you're using an OE userland?
Sep 25 15:30:52 <ant_work> yes
Sep 25 15:31:25 <ant_work> the one I uploaded on monday is glibc, usually I build musl
Sep 25 15:31:28 <munchausen> Is that available in binary somewhere? And is there a package repo?
Sep 25 15:32:00 <munchausen> Oh sorry thats the test image right
Sep 25 15:32:24 <ant_work> I do have the whole package feeds but dunno where to upload
Sep 25 15:32:41 <ant_work> we are planning to do that
Sep 25 15:36:35 <munchausen> Cool thanks. Do you know if there's still a flashing guide anywhere? I have forgotten all, my device has been sitting in a box for about 10 years or something like that?
Sep 25 15:36:55 <munchausen> s/that?/that :/
Sep 25 15:37:10 <ant_work> http://cgit.openembedded.org/meta-handheld/tree/README.zaurus
Sep 25 15:37:50 <ant_work> do you have kexecboot on poodle?
Sep 25 15:37:50 <munchausen> rtfm sorry
Sep 25 15:38:10 <munchausen> No I dont think so, I don't know what its running in fact
Sep 25 15:38:19 <munchausen> I need to order a new battery for both devices next
Sep 25 15:39:36 <ant_work> ok
Sep 25 15:39:36 <munchausen> You don't know if anyone is still supporting ipaq h5000? I saw a recent page about h3600 but that is not so relevant.. I guess that a zaurus userland might just work
Sep 25 15:39:49 <ant_work> in the installkit you have the updater.sh script
Sep 25 15:40:01 <ant_work> h3600 is sa1100
Sep 25 15:40:35 <ant_work> I did build for the hx4700 (pxa)
Sep 25 15:41:00 <ant_work> at one point we had kernel 4.0 for h1940
Sep 25 15:41:23 <ant_work> but really nobody ever sent patches for ipaq in 10 yrs ;)
Sep 25 15:41:34 <munchausen> It looks like at least something is mainlined, so I'll try to just build a kernel
Sep 25 15:42:10 <ant_work> just look at the arch
Sep 25 15:42:22 <ant_work> if it is sa1100 or pxa is like zaurus
Sep 25 15:42:37 <ant_work> there were many variants
Sep 25 15:42:40 <munchausen> But all my arm linux knowledge predates kexecboot and also mostly dtb as well
Sep 25 15:42:52 <munchausen> Yeah the h5500 is pxa255 w 128MB ram
Sep 25 15:42:57 <ant_work> np, we support both
Sep 25 15:43:06 <ant_work> zaurus is not yet dt
Sep 25 15:43:47 <ant_work> copy http://cgit.openembedded.org/meta-handheld/tree/conf/machine/hx4700.conf
Sep 25 15:44:18 <ant_work> and create the h5500, we'll add it
Sep 25 15:44:45 <ant_work> ah, is pxa 255, not pxa270
Sep 25 15:44:55 <ant_work> then is similar to corgi/tosa
Sep 25 15:45:25 <ant_work> should just work ;)
Sep 25 15:45:43 <munchausen> So kexecboot just uses a uImage and kernel parameters (and initrd maybe?)
Sep 25 15:45:48 <munchausen> Cool :)
Sep 25 15:45:54 <munchausen> hx4700 looks nice
Sep 25 15:46:06 <munchausen> 640x480 and a CF slot
Sep 25 15:46:31 <ant_work> btw we are about releasing kexecboot 0.7
Sep 25 15:46:44 <ant_work> just one feature to add
Sep 25 15:50:42 <munchausen> So updater.sh is a bin?
Sep 25 15:51:05 <munchausen> file says "data"
Sep 25 16:09:07 <ant_work> is encrypted
Sep 25 16:09:30 <ant_work> http://cgit.openembedded.org/meta-handheld/tree/recipes-bsp/zaurus-utils/zaurus-updater/updater.sh
Sep 25 16:09:36 <ant_work> ^ source
Sep 25 16:11:40 <ant_work> last year I added repartitioning
Sep 25 16:32:47 <ant_work> bbl
Sep 25 21:37:57 <munchausen> ant_work so after a lot of trailing through old websites and current mainline, it is clear that ipaq h5000 support is not in mainline, but only exists in an old handhelds.org 2.6 fork, some backup of which is available on github
Sep 25 21:38:21 <munchausen> (and also includes support for a whole load of other machines)
Sep 25 21:41:34 <bluelightning> yeah, there was a split a long time ago and a bunch of work never made it to the mainline
Sep 25 21:41:40 <bluelightning> a real shame
Sep 25 21:44:50 <munchausen> The state of what is preserved on github is not even very clear... I don't know when the backup was taken
Sep 25 21:45:31 <munchausen> The mainline support for h5000 basically only consists of flash, USB gadget and serial as far as I can tell
Sep 25 21:46:40 <munchausen> But I'm also struggling to find information about how to flash a bootloader and start the thing up... and then I will need to try and find working downloads as well
Sep 25 21:48:20 <munchausen> But I did just realise that #handhelds still has some people in it.. so a place to start
Sep 25 21:55:23 <bluelightning> interesting, I should probably hang out there as well
Sep 25 21:58:18 <bluelightning> you should be able to read the handhelds.org wiki through archive.org, at least I was able to in the past
Sep 25 22:01:48 <munchausen> Yeah it seems to be mostly intact. Also, the kernel backup I found (https://github.com/hackndev/linux-hnd without history, unfortunately) seems to be roughly contemporary with most of the last edit dates of wiki pages in the handhelds.org backup
Sep 25 22:05:42 <munchausen> I also found a working mirror of the handhelds ftp server with the bootloader etc all there https://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/handhelds/
Sep 25 22:06:15 <munchausen> So at this stage it should be possible to install a circa 2007 linux on my device lol
Sep 25 22:07:15 <bluelightning> as I recall it never worked particularly well on h5000... that's not to say it wouldn't be fixable, but just to set expectations
Sep 25 22:07:39 * bluelightning still has his h5000 somewhere
Sep 25 22:08:13 <bluelightning> battery will be dead as a doornail by now of course
Sep 25 22:08:31 <munchausen> Yeah I have found a replacement battery online (not cheap)
Sep 25 22:09:31 <munchausen> My interest in it over my sl-5600 is mostly because it has 128MB ram, and I have a whole bunch of sleeves and some neat CF cards
Sep 25 22:10:42 <munchausen> sl-5600 only has 32MB :(
Sep 25 23:06:53 <munchausen> ant_home so it looks like my 5600 has a 2007.12 angstrom on it heh
Sep 25 23:07:05 <munchausen> 10 years was about right...
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