**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu May 17 02:59:57 2007
May 17 03:07:04 <unique311> http://freshmeat.net/projects/lbrc/?branch_id=68433&release_id=253417
May 17 03:07:25 <unique311> can somebody run this src in scratchbox and see if it will compile...
May 17 03:07:28 <unique311> por favor..
May 17 03:07:39 <unique311> its a bluetooth remote app
May 17 03:08:18 <unique311> nvm
May 17 03:20:58 <ryanfaerman> is there anywhere that lists compatible phones that work with the n800?
May 17 03:29:02 <sandman> Anyone here have experience with Maemo?
May 17 03:33:16 <unique311> experience as in?
May 17 03:57:30 <bmidgley> i guess uboot was fixed...
May 17 03:57:44 <bmidgley> mokomake is past it now, building x
May 17 03:58:07 <ryanfaerman> what is the input voltage and amperage to charge the n800?
May 17 03:58:19 * ryanfaerman doesn't have one yet, or else he would look himself
May 17 03:58:49 <bmidgley> 5v 890mA
May 17 03:58:56 <ryanfaerman> blast.
May 17 03:59:08 <ryanfaerman> I was gonna wireup a USB->charger adapter
May 17 03:59:16 <ryanfaerman> but I would have to use two USB ports
May 17 03:59:30 <ryanfaerman> only 500mA per port, max
May 17 03:59:42 <bmidgley> nokia has made a usb converter
May 17 03:59:46 <bmidgley> not sure what the trick is
May 17 03:59:55 * ryanfaerman this thinking... inductor
May 17 03:59:57 <bmidgley> I haven't seen it for sale anywhere
May 17 04:00:08 <ryanfaerman> I think I can design one.
May 17 04:00:30 <ryanfaerman> I have some stuff, I'll experiment and get back to yous
May 17 04:33:25 <sandman_> Well, I've been trying to work with ext3, but have been running into problems... if any of you have experienced something similar, I'd like to discuss this
May 17 04:33:45 <sandman_> I can mkfs.ext3, load the appropriate modules, etc... it's when I work with the filesystem that I run into trouble.
May 17 04:33:50 <sandman_> It seems to corrupt itself and such.
May 17 04:35:47 <dolske> Hmm, I just use a cheapo USB->Nokia adaptor I got on Ebay for charging. Works fine.
May 17 05:00:28 <bmidgley> dolske: is it the one that has the useless n90 phone connector on it?
May 17 05:01:41 <dolske> No, it's just a retractable cable thing, USB plug on one end and n800-style plug on the other.
May 17 06:45:38 <saispo> hi
May 17 06:45:56 <saispo> anyone use 770-encod.pl ? i have no sound when i encode a xvid
May 17 06:46:00 <saispo> anyone have an idea ?
May 17 07:53:32 <keesj> grrrrrrrrrr
May 17 07:54:41 <keesj> apt-get remove lua -> bla bla lua will be remove and wxlua will be installed -> error wxlua overrides /usr/bin/lua
May 17 07:55:04 <keesj> brainless system
May 17 08:03:00 <koen> sounds like crappy packaging
May 17 08:03:44 <keesj> I did a wrong package but still I want to remove lua and it starts installing wxlua
May 17 08:04:00 <keesj> then fails.
May 17 08:12:35 <keesj> it's probabely a probleem between keyboard and chair
May 17 08:43:17 <inz> keesj, remove also the package(s) that depend on lua
May 17 08:43:53 <keesj> inz thanks . yes that was the solution,
May 17 08:44:32 <keesj> Now I am going to flash again to test if all works well. so if anybody else wan't to test on a "clean" device..
May 17 10:11:43 <guardian> morning
May 17 10:11:51 <keesj> hi
May 17 10:43:01 <keesj> I is a free day in holland , is it the same in other places?
May 17 10:47:52 <kulve> in finland at least
May 17 11:36:33 <kulve> keesj: I have the flash for "stable" stuff. First partition of mmc is normal vfat, second is my "dev fs" (ext3) and the third partition is "fresh fs" (ext3). I use the "fresh fs" if I want to test something on a clean device. This way I don't need to flash my device too often and I should always have a working system even if my "dev fs" gets screwed up. I use the boot menu to select between the three
May 17 11:37:21 <keesj> kulve: I really need to start doing the same.
May 17 11:37:49 <keesj> would that also work on the 770 for switching between hackerOS and it2006?
May 17 11:39:26 <kulve> maybe not. I can change only the rootfs, the initfs stays the same
May 17 11:49:52 <karnhack> ciao
May 17 12:00:22 <maddler> morning all...
May 17 12:02:59 <e-voc> hello
May 17 12:03:59 <e-voc> how can i add maemo app catalog to the program manager of my n770?
May 17 12:06:11 <kulve> you can't (afaik)
May 17 12:06:17 <e-voc> oh
May 17 12:06:19 <kulve> you can add only APT repositories
May 17 12:06:26 <e-voc> ic
May 17 12:06:31 <kulve> the app catalog is just www-based
May 17 12:06:40 <e-voc> so i download the files and install them manually right?
May 17 12:06:50 <kulve> I think most of the stuff in app catalog is found in different repositories
May 17 12:07:18 <kulve> e-voc: yes. Or if it has the "single click install", it will add the repo and then install it from there using the appliaction manager
May 17 12:07:21 <kulve> I'm off
May 17 12:07:28 <e-voc> i just flashed it with rd mode, now i need xterm and sshd
May 17 12:39:32 <kulve> e-voc: rd mode doesn't need reflashing, only the setting with flasher (just in case you flashed the whole thing :). And I haven't needed the rd mode for anything. For me it's enough that you can ssh in with as root
May 17 12:39:48 <e-voc> what's the red pill mode?
May 17 12:40:27 <kulve> a mode where the applicaton manager chooses to install any armel debian package. In normal mode (blue pill) the Section has to be user/something
May 17 12:40:29 <e-voc> http://maemo.org/downloads/product/openssh
May 17 12:40:45 <kulve> you can install dropbear-{server,client} in bluepill mode..
May 17 12:40:50 <e-voc> and how do i activate it?
May 17 12:41:20 <e-voc> the program managet told me dropbear is not compatible
May 17 12:42:01 <kulve> that's weird. Where did you try to install it from?
May 17 12:42:15 <kulve> blue pill mode is the default mode.
May 17 12:42:15 <e-voc> http://matt.ucc.asn.au/dropbear/dropbear.html
May 17 12:42:32 <kulve> http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationManagerRedPillMode
May 17 12:42:49 <kulve> don't install from "normal" repositories
May 17 12:42:53 <e-voc> oh
May 17 12:42:55 <e-voc> ok
May 17 12:43:04 <kulve> and don't use the red pill mode, unless you know what you are doing
May 17 12:43:11 <e-voc> ok :)
May 17 12:43:20 <kulve> http://maemo.org/community/wiki/applicationrepositories/
May 17 12:44:00 <e-voc> is there a way to have more memory for the n770?
May 17 12:44:28 <gla55> besides swap, no
May 17 12:44:54 <e-voc> :\
May 17 12:45:04 <gla55> buy a n800
May 17 12:45:26 <e-voc> ya maybe...
May 17 12:54:02 <GuySoft> hi all, is there a way to emulate maemo on linux, so i can see how the system looks like before i go and get a nokia n800? like a VM or emulator?
May 17 12:54:40 <mgedmin> not really
May 17 12:54:58 <mgedmin> there's a development environment, but you won't get to try out the closed nokia apps in it
May 17 12:55:38 <mgedmin> look on maemo.org
May 17 12:55:44 <mgedmin> it's called scratchbox
May 17 12:56:52 <GuySoft> well i want to see the open source apps really, for example 'stars' and see if i can get other things running
May 17 12:57:09 <GuySoft> i am just googling and found 'live mamo' is that good?
May 17 12:57:17 <kulve> GuySoft: with SB (scratchbox) you can run both arm and x86 binaries and you will have the proper hildon themeing etc. But I prefer to compile in SB and run on the device. Much easier
May 17 12:57:45 <kulve> but e.g. speed is totally different when run in SB
May 17 12:58:00 <kulve> so to see how something really works, you have to run it on the device
May 17 12:58:29 <kulve> GuySoft: I'm not sure what "live maemo" is, but at least there's a vmware image which should have everything set up
May 17 12:59:02 <GuySoft> live mamo is a iso image.. i can run it off qemu and find out
May 17 12:59:16 <kulve> url?
May 17 13:02:04 <GuySoft> kulve:  http://maemo.org/community/wiki/LiveCD
May 17 13:03:22 <kulve> "Note: This appears to only be for Maemo 1.1"
May 17 13:03:24 <kulve> *old*
May 17 13:03:35 <GuySoft> how old?
May 17 13:04:06 <GuySoft> i just want to see how the apps look like, maybe have a look at the input, if posible
May 17 13:04:14 <GuySoft> input interface*
May 17 13:04:22 <kulve> that's probably too old for anything..
May 17 13:04:24 <kulve> http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/directory/702
May 17 13:04:41 <kulve> that's a bit newer (for n800, bora 3.0 (not 3.1 which is the newset))
May 17 13:47:09 <e-voc> SU-18_2007HACKER_2.2006.47-17_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin looks nice
May 17 14:05:00 <k-s[WORK]> jamey: ping
May 17 14:07:52 <k-s[WORK]> anyone managed to run oprofile or gprof in n800?
May 17 14:12:12 <geoffeg> So which third-party email client should I use. There's slypheed (or however it's spelled).. and claws-mail.. and....
May 17 14:14:46 <kulve> I would use pine. But I've heard that claws-mail could be something you might want to try out
May 17 14:14:56 <kulve> ssh+pine
May 17 14:19:58 <geoffeg> something more guiish would be good for the tablet interface i would think
May 17 14:20:03 * mgedmin suggests s/pine/mutt/
May 17 14:25:22 <kulve> geoffeg: can be (good ui should be better than text based on a device like that). I haven't tried how google mail works..
May 17 14:25:49 <kulve> but, like I said, claws-mail seem to be active project.
May 17 14:27:27 <geoffeg> thanks
May 17 14:36:50 <keesj> where could I find information about the debian/*.install files what program uses it?
May 17 14:39:37 <kulve> http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/
May 17 14:40:23 <keesj> kulve: I did not find it in there
May 17 14:40:40 <kulve> debian/<package-name>.install file lists files to be put in the package (without the first /)
May 17 14:41:42 <kulve> <package-name> is the name listed in debian/control -file
May 17 14:45:17 <keesj> my -dev package includes subdirs in usr/include but does not to the same for subdirs in /usr/lib
May 17 14:47:40 <kulve> I think the normal stuff for .install files are:
May 17 14:47:41 <kulve> cat libpackage1.install
May 17 14:47:41 <kulve> /usr/lib/libpackage*.so.*
May 17 14:47:41 <kulve> cat libpackage-dev.install
May 17 14:47:41 <kulve> usr/lib/libpackage*.so
May 17 14:47:43 <kulve> usr/include/package
May 17 14:47:46 <kulve> usr/lib/pkgconfig/package.pc
May 17 14:48:22 <keesj> but can/must I do usr/share/locale/*/*
May 17 14:48:27 <kulve> putting just "usr/include" would include everything under that
May 17 14:48:45 <kulve> "usr/share/locale/" should include all under it
May 17 14:51:28 <keesj> thanks, back to rebuild :p
May 17 14:52:55 <kulve> this is how I usually do things: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/debian/?root=kilikali
May 17 14:57:26 <keesj> I tried kilikal btw
May 17 14:57:42 <kulve> did it work? :)
May 17 14:58:23 <keesj> it did work.
May 17 15:00:04 <kulve> good
May 17 15:00:40 <keesj> it' still quite small. I guess it uses the same stuff as the other music tools?
May 17 15:01:15 <kulve> it uses gstreamer, if that's what you mean
May 17 15:01:46 <keesj> I guess so
May 17 15:02:30 <keesj> all the programs I try don't play nice with gmediaserver
May 17 15:02:35 <kulve> gstreamer is quite common media framework on any linux, including the IT200x. So it's there already and kilikali just uses it.
May 17 15:03:17 <kulve> keesj: try ushare. For me it seems to work better than the gmediaserver
May 17 15:03:23 <keesj> I am still learning gstreamer, I want to play with the webcam
May 17 15:03:57 <kulve> the basic cases are *very* simple. But if you want something specific, then you need to know some details..
May 17 15:04:11 <kulve> gst-launch is a good for trying out stuff..
May 17 15:04:39 <kulve> from the command line. With a few words, you get the n800 camera image on the screen..
May 17 15:06:29 <b0unc3> I'm just trying to stream webcam video with farsight... without success at the moment ;(
May 17 15:08:37 <keesj> I was just trying to get lasertraq working , I want to create some webcam games
May 17 15:09:41 <keesj> if you have a simple v4l2src | screen example to use with gst-launch I would not mind getting it :p
May 17 15:11:27 <kulve>  gst-launch-0.10  v4l2src ! xvimagesink
May 17 15:12:12 <kulve> or if you want the camera rotation: gst-launch-0.10  gconfv4l2src ! xvimagesink
May 17 15:17:48 <keesj> You just really need to change the icons of the kilikali app. it's a good open source replacement of the default player I think
May 17 15:18:10 <kulve> what's wrong with the icons? :)
May 17 15:18:19 <kulve> hmm. do you mean the play/stop etc? Or the kilikali icon?
May 17 15:18:25 <keesj> perhaps the buttons can also be bigger so I can use my finders
May 17 15:18:33 <kulve> yeah
May 17 15:18:53 <keesj> the double arrow to switch between volume and controls
May 17 15:19:01 <kulve> according to zuh the buttons are useless, since every would be using the devices hard keys..
May 17 15:19:13 <kulve> yeah, that icon is a bit mess..
May 17 15:19:31 <keesj> but are they supposed to work then?
May 17 15:23:30 <jamey> k-s[WORK], I have oprofile running in n800. You need a new zImage and initfs and oprofile.
May 17 15:24:16 <k-s[WORK]> jamey: ok, I have zImage with oprofile compiled in, so no need for initfs (right?)
May 17 15:24:35 <k-s[WORK]> jamey: where you got your oprofile userspace daemon/scripts?
May 17 15:24:49 <jamey> k-s[WORK], what I found was that the modules compiled with the kernel compiled with CONFIG_PROFILING disabled would not load in a kernel compiled with it enabled
May 17 15:24:56 <jamey> so I had to rebuild the wlan modules also
May 17 15:25:22 <jamey> I used mainstream oprofile plus arm11 patches
May 17 15:25:30 <jamey> I'll see if I can build a .deb
May 17 15:25:35 <k-s[WORK]> jamey: I have one here, but I didn't know where people find... it may be broken and the problem... trying to build it in scratchbox leads to errors due missing binutils dev pkgs
May 17 15:25:57 <jamey> yes, it needed libbfd, so I built that also.
May 17 15:26:41 <k-s[WORK]> jamey: could you put your zImage, initfs and oprofile debs somewhere?
May 17 15:27:07 <jamey> I will do so
May 17 15:27:33 <k-s[WORK]> jamey: thanks!
May 17 15:31:45 <k-s[WORK]> jamey: I'll go for lunch, brb
May 17 15:32:10 * k-s[WORK] is away: lunch!
May 17 15:33:40 <kulve> keesj: I haven't really even tried the hw keys..
May 17 15:35:00 <kulve> keesj: feel free to report bugs/feature requests. They will be reacted on :)
May 17 15:46:55 <geoffeg> claws-mail ain't bad
May 17 15:49:59 <jamey> k-s[AWAY_WORK], build oprofile deb, off to lunch also
May 17 16:20:37 <keesj> mgedmin: the ssh install fails for some reason on my machine
May 17 16:20:46 <mgedmin> oh?
May 17 16:21:09 <mgedmin> "some reason" may be visible in the menu (Tools -> Log...)
May 17 16:21:56 <keesj> apt-cache policy ssh gives something back but install fails
May 17 16:22:06 <jamey> k-s[AWAY_WORK], oprofile armel deb is available via deb http://repository.nrcc.noklab.com/ bora extras
May 17 16:22:13 <keesj> nope nothing in the lods (I am in red pill mode)
May 17 16:23:05 <keesj> it worked yesterday :p
May 17 16:32:10 <keesj> mgedmin: I installed dropbear. the install message is E: Couldn't find package ssl
May 17 16:32:33 <mgedmin> I know nothing about dropbear
May 17 16:33:19 <keesj> the error message from installing ssh from the command line as root after beroming root by using dropbear
May 17 16:34:42 <keesj> yep , ssl is missing, where should it be downloaded from (what does apt-cache policy say)
May 17 16:35:59 <mgedmin> hmm
May 17 16:36:36 <mgedmin> no 'ssl' package here
May 17 16:36:50 <keesj> I had to first install openssl
May 17 16:37:14 <mgedmin> ssh 1:3.8p1-3osso7 from repository.maemo.org doesn't depend on ssl
May 17 16:37:34 <mgedmin> although it wants libssl0.9.7 that I got from the same repository
May 17 16:38:02 <mgedmin> which ssh version do you see with apt-cache policy ?
May 17 16:38:29 <MishaS> ssl should be part of the device software...
May 17 16:38:37 <keesj> 3.8p1-3osso7
May 17 16:38:53 <MishaS> (openssl)
May 17 16:40:19 <keesj> unpacking from ssh_1%3a3.8p1-3osso7
May 17 16:41:10 <keesj> MishaS: should as in wishfull thinking, or as is part of
May 17 16:41:38 <MishaS> keesj: i believe some components depends on openssl
May 17 16:41:45 <MishaS> for certificate handling and https
May 17 16:42:09 <keesj> is it normal that the version is 1:3.8 note the ":"
May 17 16:42:39 <keesj> ok I will reflash again then.
May 17 16:42:53 <mgedmin> that's the epoch
May 17 16:42:54 <ian_brasil__> kulve: i  am using the system init scripts to install ogg-support_0.2_armel.deb (using dpkg -i when the system boots....the home page says The codecs are inserted as dependencies...does this mean i need to have for example libvorbisdec0a ??...if so where can i get these debs so i can satisfy the dependencies
May 17 16:43:13 <mgedmin> debian uses those when they need to reduce the version number but have it considered to be newer
May 17 16:43:21 * ian_brasil__ hopes you understand this
May 17 16:43:28 <keesj> I have installed it ian_brasil__
May 17 16:44:16 <MishaS> on my device: libssl0.9.7 is installed
May 17 16:44:22 <keesj> ian_brasil__ I was something similar this week with the the dh_help 5 package of sbox
May 17 16:45:08 <MishaS> (fyi: my device is n800: 2.2005.51-7)
May 17 16:45:50 <ian_brasil__> so a dpkg -i will work then?...it does not need any dependencies
May 17 16:46:33 <kulve> ian_brasil__: dpkg doesn't install dependencies
May 17 16:46:41 <kulve> apt-get does
May 17 16:47:04 <keesj> I have just flashed with flasher-3.0 -F RX-34_2007SE_3.2007.10-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin  -f -R
May 17 16:47:05 <kulve> if you have network on the device, go to http://ogg.garage.maemo.org
May 17 16:47:26 <kulve> and "Or click here for single click install."
May 17 16:47:32 <MishaS> keesj: so yours is newer than mine :)
May 17 16:47:44 <MishaS> keesj, where do you install ssh from?
May 17 16:48:07 <ian_brasil__> thx, i am developing in the SDK for now b4 going to the device
May 17 16:48:14 <keesj> I am tring to use the maemo.org downloads single click install
May 17 16:48:19 <kulve> ian_brasil__: but the application manager might not work, if you already tried with dpkg..
May 17 16:48:32 <ian_brasil__> dpkg -i /home/user/apps/ogg-support_0.2_armel.deb
May 17 16:48:45 <MishaS> kulve: after install ogg support like that, should media player be invoked for .ogg files?
May 17 16:49:03 <kulve> MishaS: no
May 17 16:49:17 <keesj> thanks for the help. I will reflash an retry
May 17 16:49:34 <kulve> the apps must tell, what mime types they know how to open, and most of the apps doesn't tell that they can play ogg
May 17 16:49:50 <kulve> if you install kilikali, it will be opened for .oggs :)
May 17 16:50:10 <ian_brasil__> i am customising the desktop so videos and music oggs are available when system boots
May 17 16:51:16 <ian_brasil__> by putting files in .videos and .sounds
May 17 16:51:26 <MishaS> kulve: how then can i open .ogg files? :)
May 17 16:51:35 <MishaS> media player has a very interesting interface... :)
May 17 16:51:57 <kulve> MishaS: yeah, the built-in player needs to first find the music with it's own time..
May 17 16:51:57 <ian_brasil__> so ogg support needs to be enabled using an install script which sym links to system install scripts
May 17 16:52:11 <kulve> MishaS: then it will show them. Pretty awful, imo
May 17 16:52:36 <MishaS> keesj, just to make sure, you install http://downloads.maemo.org/product/openssh ?
May 17 16:53:45 <ian_brasil__> maybe it is better to install kilikali then
May 17 16:53:58 <dirty_harry> i just bought the n900
May 17 16:53:59 <dirty_harry> 800*
May 17 16:58:21 <MishaS> ryanfaerman, n800 turned dirty_harry into ryanfaerman? :)
May 17 16:58:39 <ryanfaerman> no, more like I just changed my nick to what it is supposed to be :D
May 17 17:00:35 <keesj> I did it again(flash + install) and now it works , I will have to .
May 17 17:00:50 <MishaS> keesj, but you had to enable pilled mode, no?
May 17 17:02:43 <keesj> yes, with red pil. I now first installed ssh , perhaps it was the order in I installed the apps
May 17 17:03:21 <MishaS> right. i just tried to install it and it 'could not find the application'
May 17 17:03:33 * MishaS . o O (behold the magic :))
May 17 17:03:46 * MishaS . o O (dirty harry turns into...)
May 17 17:05:33 <keesj> ubbernerd?
May 17 17:05:50 <MishaS> last time it was ryan :)
May 17 17:05:53 <MishaS> sorry...
May 17 18:02:08 * k-s[AWAY_WORK] is back.
May 17 18:05:02 <k-s[WORK]> jamey: ok, I'll check
May 17 18:07:47 <k-s[WORK]> jamey: hum... missing binutils package
May 17 18:07:59 <k-s[WORK]> jamey: or your .deb/packages is wrong
May 17 18:16:41 <unique311> http://www.spikedhumor.com/articles/105643/United_300.html
May 17 18:16:47 <unique311> very entertaining
May 17 18:42:04 <Jaffa> Re
May 17 18:53:17 <trevarthan> Anyone know how to convert ilbc to wav for editing in audacity?
May 17 18:55:15 <kennethd> my n800 no longer boots, since an apt-get upgrade in march it just reboots over & over, so I am looking to flash it.  I have flasher-3.0-static, but I am not sure what kind of image I want to flash it with, or where to get it?
May 17 18:55:46 <kulve> kennethd: the official image can be found from: nokia.com/n800
May 17 19:03:07 <jamey> k-s[WORK], rebuilding without dependence on binutils
May 17 19:25:09 <k-s[WORK]> jamey: have you uploaded it?
May 17 19:38:21 <kennethd> thanks kulve, but nokia.com only has the windows exe, and points to maemo.org for linux users.  I found the image + instructions @ http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithLinux?highlight=%2528CategoryFlashing%2529
May 17 19:39:58 <TimRiker> what's in the n800 navigation kit? ie: how does it talk to the gps?
May 17 19:40:35 <matt_c> TimRiker: Bluetooth?
May 17 19:40:49 <TimRiker> that's what I'm wondering.
May 17 19:41:01 <TimRiker> http://www.nokiausa.com/accessories/item_details/1,8994,product:NAVKIT,00.html
May 17 19:41:03 <gla55> bt dongle most likely
May 17 19:41:23 <matt_c> I use a BT GPS with my N800 and S60 devices.
May 17 19:41:48 <TimRiker> includes "Car charger which can be used with both GPS and the Nokia N800"
May 17 19:42:10 <TimRiker> so I expect it is and BT device.
May 17 19:42:29 <TimRiker> matt_c: what software do you use?
May 17 19:42:36 <matt_c> My little BT device charges via mini-usb and takes nokia-sized batteries which is kinda nice.
May 17 19:42:48 <TimRiker> nice
May 17 19:42:53 <matt_c> TimRiker: maemo mapper on the N800, TomTom on S60
May 17 19:43:06 <TimRiker> cool.
May 17 19:43:18 <matt_c> I tried GPSDrive once but had issues downloading maps
May 17 19:43:21 <matt_c> probably my fault though
May 17 19:44:12 <MoRpHeUz> how much is a GPS bluetooth enabled ?
May 17 19:44:45 <matt_c> MoRpHeUz: I grabbed a Holux 236 for about $100US on ebay, I've seen similar models for less (this was about a year to a year and a half ago)
May 17 19:44:51 <gla55> cheapest bt gps pucks probably start around 70-90$
May 17 19:45:01 <MoRpHeUz> great =)
May 17 19:45:03 <MoRpHeUz> thanks
May 17 19:45:24 <matt_c> I've been happy with mine, battery life is great, but I'd love to have something that does on-board logging too
May 17 19:45:53 <MoRpHeUz> matt_c: are you using your gps with n800 ? (maemo mapper, etc. ?)
May 17 19:46:12 <matt_c> MoRpHeUz: yes.
May 17 19:46:24 <MoRpHeUz> =D
May 17 19:47:16 <MoRpHeUz> btw, I'm still trying to find obdII in my renault clio
May 17 19:50:39 <trevarthan> MoRpHeUz: when are you going to relesse
May 17 19:50:58 <MoRpHeUz> trevarthan: gmyth ?
May 17 19:51:04 <trevarthan> Release a single click gmyth client installer?
May 17 19:51:39 <MoRpHeUz> trevarthan: well, I can provide .deb's for you...
May 17 19:51:42 <MoRpHeUz> =)
May 17 19:51:50 <pyhimys> MoRpHeUz: http://www.e-tuning.co.uk/Tech%20Help/eculocations.htm
May 17 19:52:32 <trevarthan> Whats the difference between single click and a .deb?
May 17 19:54:23 <trevarthan> Isn't the single click just a cute text wrapper for .deb's?
May 17 19:55:11 <MoRpHeUz> pyhimys: thanks! =)
May 17 19:55:31 <MoRpHeUz> trevarthan: ow, ok, now I understand what you mean with "single click" hehe =)
May 17 19:56:07 <MoRpHeUz> trevarthan: we are just finishing some bug fixes...then we would love to "open" it for tests making it easier to install (we are almost there)
May 17 19:57:38 <trevarthan> Should I wait for that? Or dive right in? I'm familiar enough with the n800 that i was planning to give it a try this weekend.
May 17 19:59:49 <MoRpHeUz> pyhimys: great site! =D
May 17 20:00:55 <MoRpHeUz> trevarthan: if you feel comfortable doing this tests go ahead =)...we have .deb's for gmyth and a couple of tools to test it...
May 17 20:01:27 <trevarthan> Where do I get the deb's?
May 17 20:02:07 <MoRpHeUz> if you setup mythtv to use low resolution videos, you should even be able to watch live-tv and recorded videos, otherwise you can use another approach..
May 17 20:02:26 <MoRpHeUz> trevarthan: you can install gmyth on the same pc as mythtv and also "gmyth-streamer"
May 17 20:02:41 <MoRpHeUz> then you should be able to play the videos directly from mplayer on your n800
May 17 20:03:59 <trevarthan> So.... No n800 client? Just streaming?
May 17 20:05:39 <MoRpHeUz> trevarthan: you have both approach's...depends on what you want =D
May 17 20:05:53 <trevarthan> Souunds a lot like the old mythstreamtv mythweb plugin.
May 17 20:06:05 <MoRpHeUz> trevarthan: the second method yes..
May 17 20:06:22 <MoRpHeUz> but mythstreamtv just worked with wmv/asf files
May 17 20:06:41 <trevarthan> So you *do* have a client available?
May 17 20:07:00 <MoRpHeUz> yes...like I said, you can choose from 2 approach's.....
May 17 20:07:28 <MoRpHeUz> the point is that you can run the same client on n800 and on your pc..
May 17 20:07:53 <MoRpHeUz> but if you use dvb, you just can't play videos of that resolution on your n800, so  you need to transcode it before...
May 17 20:08:03 <MoRpHeUz> this is why method 2 exists (gmyth-streamer)
May 17 20:09:37 <trevarthan> Well, i thought youd have to transcode with #1 too. 802.11g doesn't offer enough bandwidth for raw mpeg-2.
May 17 20:10:23 <jamey> k-s[WORK], I just uploaded a new version that should have the binutils version removed. I have to run, email jamey.hicks@nokia.com to let me know if it works or not.
May 17 20:10:30 <jamey> have to run
May 17 20:10:50 <MoRpHeUz> trevarthan: if you are using dvb dont...but here in brazil we still have analog tv and myth automatically transcodes it to mpeg4, so we can use #1 directly
May 17 20:12:15 <trevarthan> Ah. I have analog Tv here in the US. But i record to mpeg2 because it looks better. So... I'll have to use gstreamer.
May 17 20:12:37 <trevarthan> Or mythstreamtv.
May 17 20:13:06 <trevarthan> Can you watch livetv over gstreamer?
May 17 20:13:07 <MoRpHeUz> mythstreamtv is no longer maintained
May 17 20:13:18 <trevarthan> Yeah.
May 17 20:13:55 <MoRpHeUz> trevarthan: gmyth-streamer is able to use gstreamer or mencoder...but again...you must have gmyth+gmyth-streamer to make it work
May 17 20:14:19 <MoRpHeUz> the best setup is to have: gmyth-streamer+gmyth+mythtv on the same machine
May 17 20:14:42 <MoRpHeUz> and then just use mplayer to watch on your n800 or even through the internet...
May 17 20:15:17 <MoRpHeUz> gmyth-streamer streams over http and provides an easy way to select vcodecs, acodecs, resolution, etc.. for your encoding..
May 17 20:16:19 <trevarthan> I was hoping you inserted a piece into the frontend network layer to do onthefly transcoding. But that's cooll. At least youve made a repplacement for mythstreamtv. Sounds like an impprovement to it too.
May 17 20:16:56 <trevarthan> Ill definitely check it out asap.
May 17 20:17:00 <MoRpHeUz> trevarthan: the idea was to do something like that but mythtv guys are complicated ;-)
May 17 20:17:20 <trevarthan> Yeah, they are.
May 17 20:17:50 <MoRpHeUz> trevarthan: I have some patches waiting approval for about 6 months...and we couldnt wait so long for another patches so just changed our approach to solve the problem hehe
May 17 20:19:18 <trevarthan> Would require a ton of backend and frontend cpu too. This way it can be load balanced, i bet. Does gmyth support multiple simultaneous clients?
May 17 20:20:28 <MoRpHeUz> trevarthan: yeah, it does, but not for livetv (because just one instance can use the tv card - this is a hardware limitation)
May 17 20:21:09 <trevarthan> Very cool. Cant wait to try it. Thanks!
May 17 20:21:12 <MoRpHeUz> trevarthan: with gmyth you can request videos sotred on your harddisk, request videos on diferent backends, etc..
May 17 20:21:13 <MoRpHeUz> =)
May 17 20:21:37 <MoRpHeUz> trevarthan: if you have more questions, please ping/email me! I would love to help you setting up your environment.
May 17 20:23:10 <trevarthan> Yeah, very nice. What file formats will it transcode? Ive  got some mpeg2 vids in my mythvideo collection. Will it stream those too?
May 17 20:24:08 <MoRpHeUz> trevarthan: yeah...it can transcode from/to any format supported by mencoder/gstreamer
May 17 20:29:05 <trevarthan> MoRpHeUz: What if you want to fast forward a stream?
May 17 20:30:05 <MoRpHeUz> trevarthan: then we have a problem =P
May 17 20:30:20 <MoRpHeUz> trevarthan: maybe for version 2 ? =P hehe
May 17 20:31:52 <trevarthan> I might help with that. Sounds like once you have FF working you no longer need  the frontend and all can be web based.
May 17 20:33:45 <MoRpHeUz> trevarthan: for sure =) that would be great =)
May 17 20:36:02 <trevarthan> Does gmyth look like just another frontend to backends? Is it like a complete alternate frontend?
May 17 20:47:16 <cartoon_nate> hello guys, quick question, I'm wondering if I can run the maemo platform on an x86 device?
May 17 20:47:39 <MoRpHeUz> trevarthan: I think gmyth is more a library to make it easier to develop frontends...
May 17 20:47:56 <cartoon_nate> also... I'm wondering when you guys port apps, do you make it so all the dialogues are usable at 640x480?
May 17 21:26:59 <unique311> java could not create jvm?
May 17 21:27:19 <unique311> so the java stuff don't do gui yet?
May 17 23:13:25 <Akkerfriend> Hey folks
May 17 23:13:36 <ryanfaerman> hey akker
May 18 02:59:28 <Markov_> hey'a
May 18 02:59:37 <Markov_> i'm trying to train the handwriting recognizer
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