**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri May 18 02:59:56 2007 May 18 03:00:20 but, whenever i "draw" something it says, "Unable to recognize. Try again." May 18 03:00:30 but, it _never_ recognizes anything! May 18 03:00:32 what gives? May 18 03:08:48 has anyone else had this problem? May 18 03:09:03 is there some sort of limit to the number of characters you can train? May 18 03:09:09 i tried removing others... May 18 03:28:16 :( May 18 03:29:18 *sigh May 18 03:29:23 i guess I'll try flashing... May 18 03:29:48 ooh May 18 03:29:57 a new versino of the flasher is available May 18 03:32:11 that was fast May 18 03:33:55 what version? May 18 03:56:20 latest and greatest May 18 04:02:09 it still doesnt work! May 18 04:02:11 wtf?? May 18 04:14:00 huh May 18 04:14:02 it's working now May 18 04:14:22 i went in and removed a shape i had for the ':' character and it started working again :) May 18 04:14:27 thanks all! May 18 04:15:21 but only for one character! May 18 04:15:23 heheehh May 18 04:15:35 okay. there is a terminal limit to the number of shapes you can input May 18 04:15:47 i wish it said that instead of "unable to recognize" May 18 04:15:49 sheesh May 18 05:01:09 Hi! May 18 05:02:03 somone have tryed tu play gameboy games in nokia 770/800? May 18 07:39:09 morning May 18 07:49:11 Morning, all May 18 07:59:03 Hi Jaffa May 18 08:40:49 what is it with this site? maemo.org won't let me log in, yet again. May 18 08:40:59 Is it just me? May 18 09:00:02 good morning May 18 09:47:53 <|tbb|> anyone able to play following stream with bora mplayer ? mms://81.169.180.142/Stream-Stuttgart-9F4gS329 May 18 10:14:21 Hi, I'm having a problem with maemo2.2 gregale, my rootstrap fails to launch submenu with arm. May 18 10:14:55 Anyone knows what might be the issue here? May 18 10:15:22 hi May 18 10:19:58 long time since last time being here :-) May 18 10:32:54 Rebe submenu? May 18 10:34:27 keesj: menu inside menu? May 18 11:11:32 hmm May 18 11:11:40 I think the planet layout has something broken with images May 18 11:11:53 which causes the huge gap on the right side between the bubbles and the sidebar May 18 11:12:42 the site layout is broken as well May 18 11:12:46 fixed-width is so 1995 May 18 11:16:52 Rebe: Try compiling in SB and running in the device. Running in SB causes always something weirdiness, so I try to avoid it.. May 18 11:40:04 kulve: ok, will do May 18 12:05:13 hello, i am fat-man and i weigh 400 pounds. you can see video of my supreme fatness at www.fat-man.org May 18 12:06:42 hi guys, how ho I import certificate as user certificate in Certificate Manager? .p12 tells me not correct passwd used even I use correct one, .pem is imported but shows in CA page not User certificates... May 18 12:12:32 Yo.Anybody fluent with gdb and debuging symbols ? May 18 12:13:16 i open the following bug, and am trying to have a more usefull backtrace https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1450 May 18 12:14:10 so i followed steps mentionned in http://jameswestby.net/tips/tips/compiling-debian-package-for-debug.html to build libgtk2.0-0-dbg_2.6.10-2.osso30_i386.deb May 18 12:14:44 as the apt-get installaint it is borked. Now, i have installed the whole lot of recompile libgtk2, but the backtrace still looks the same May 18 12:15:18 i mean, am i not supposed to see all of a sudden the source code file name as well as the line the instruction is in ? May 18 12:30:46 iirc firefox uses some sort of default seed, so passwords aren't actually plain text, but aren't really protected. don't let people steal your hardware. it's like letting them steal your wallet w/ your keys attached, or your phone that has your passwords in the notepad section May 18 13:39:02 <|tbb|> hi, for what the 256k color xterm is good 4 May 18 13:39:08 <|tbb|> ? May 18 14:58:08 Ok, simple maemo feature request: Please make the screen unlock dialog buttons jumbo sized for fingers. It's annoying whipping out the pen just to type a passcode, then switching back to fingers. May 18 15:00:55 trevarthan: or copy the iPhone May 18 15:04:32 Jaffa: huh? May 18 15:08:25 I meant the slider, but realise you were talking about passcodes. May 18 15:08:55 Ok. Never used an iphone... May 18 15:09:48 gesture for a passcode would be fun May 18 15:14:15 Ah... Just big buttons and us humb May 18 15:14:30 Thumb userd are happy. May 18 15:43:15 exit May 18 15:43:16 oops May 18 15:45:20 you are now standing outside the irc channel. there's a forest to the west. there's a house to the northeast. there's a little pebble lying on the grass. May 18 15:45:35 don't know how to oops May 18 15:58:53 Hi. Just tried phoneme on N770. Does anyone know, if there are plans to support UI (lcdui/AGUI) on that platform? May 18 16:00:16 sorry no idea May 18 16:00:30 * dolfun has to leave the channel before he mentions how presidential candidate Dr. Ron Paul is the only hope to crush the burgeoning police and war state c.f. http://riverrat.homelinux.com/RonPaul/index2.shtml May 18 16:00:31 I think there are no official plans for N770 May 18 16:01:46 Efrael: hmm, too bad. Having a Java platform on the N770 would have been very nice, due to the 800x480px display. May 18 16:02:07 Efrael: Maybe I'll try the WinCE version of phoneme May 18 16:03:38 not too many j2me apps are aimed at that high resolutions though May 18 16:04:26 gla55: I was intending to code my own apps. so I did't look for any existing stuff. ;-) May 18 16:05:21 ah ok :) May 18 16:05:26 gla55: I demo J2ME app talking to my J2EE app would have made a nice showcase. May 18 16:08:38 Check out for unoffici.. or don't May 18 16:09:11 plop May 18 16:09:13 oups May 18 16:17:58 hi May 18 16:18:25 which is last 770 flash image? May 18 16:19:18 2006.49-2? May 18 16:38:12 Disconnect: thanks May 18 17:11:33 I'm waiting to get my Nokia N800 in the mail. May 18 17:11:55 Is there anything i should know before ripping it out of the box? May 18 17:15:00 jsmanrique: you can always look at the firmware files available for download May 18 17:15:13 the filenames sort alphabetically in the firmware recency order May 18 17:15:32 the first increasing number in the filename is a counter (1, 2, 3) May 18 17:16:17 SU-18_2006SE_3.2006.49-2_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin is the latest one May 18 17:16:31 pr0nGuy: I don't think so May 18 17:25:21 <||cw> pr0nGuy: test it out, then put the latest firmware on it May 18 17:30:13 ||cw: How is that done? Where do i find that? Is it like drivers? May 18 17:31:50 k-s[WORK], uploaded zimage and initfs with oprofile to http://repository.nrcc.noklab.com/oprofile/ May 18 17:32:41 evening all... May 18 17:34:09 maddler: you must be in Europe. May 18 17:34:56 and he's not the only one.. May 18 17:35:21 pr0nGuy: http://europe.nokia.com/A4305010 May 18 17:35:44 well, maybe nokia.com/n800 gives something else than "europe" for you.. May 18 17:39:16 kulve: Europe's alright. I'll be there next week. May 18 17:39:27 kulve: where are you from? May 18 17:42:31 kulve: reading the link you sent, it seems that I have to have a computer to download updates and then transfer that to the Nokia, right? May 18 17:43:31 yeah. You "transfer" it (flash it) with a tool. flasher-3.0 in linux and some gui wizard in windows May 18 17:43:37 kulve: damn, I need Windows! Can I do it on Ubuntu? May 18 17:43:46 it will overwrite everything there May 18 17:43:53 pr0nGuy: read my sentence again.. May 18 17:44:01 kulve: i did May 18 17:44:08 "flasher-3.0 in linux" May 18 17:44:17 kulve: right May 18 17:44:31 kulve: s/and/or May 18 17:45:03 http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithLinux May 18 17:48:44 derf: just out of curiosity, what are you telling kulve by "s/and/or"? I've seen something like that before and I never understood it. May 18 17:49:27 pr0nGuy: he typoed it. It should have been s/and/or/ ;) May 18 17:49:32 Substitute "or" for "and" in his line. May 18 17:50:11 common in different scripting langues. Like in sed. May 18 17:50:15 And I did not. It works perfectly fine in an editor like I said it. May 18 17:50:25 ok May 18 17:50:27 s/pattern/replacement/ is used in quite a few unix text editors (ed, sed, ex, vi, vim) May 18 17:50:50 perl too, iirc May 18 17:51:07 sure May 18 17:51:07 mgedmin: substitute "pattern" for "replacement"? May 18 17:51:14 yes May 18 17:51:35 echo foo | sed s/foo/bar/ May 18 17:51:35 bar May 18 17:51:48 fubar? May 18 17:52:11 Is that what i think it means? May 18 17:52:40 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foobar May 18 17:53:48 kulve: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fubar May 18 17:54:00 kulve: that's what I thought you meant. May 18 17:56:20 kulve: both "foobar" and "fubar" are interesting. :) May 18 17:57:47 if you find those interesting, you might want to read the jargon file (www.jargon.org) sometime May 18 17:58:52 mgedmin: As a matter of fact, I'm reading about it in Wikipedia right this moment. May 18 17:59:00 mgedmin: sounds interesting. May 18 17:59:20 mgedmin: especially since i met ESR last month. May 18 17:59:42 I used to adore ESR before I actually met him May 18 17:59:42 mgedmin: we hung out for a little bit until he figured out that he hates me. May 18 17:59:52 creepy guy May 18 17:59:56 indeed May 18 18:00:52 He was avoiding me like the plague after he got to know me, but he delivered a nice speech here in Michigan at the Penguicon. May 18 18:07:31 * Disconnect knew ESR "way back when" but he's always been a nutjob May 18 18:08:10 one of these days he's gonna have a shack and a bunch of dogs and its all gonna be wrapped in foil May 18 18:20:30 I'm so pissed! May 18 18:21:06 Disconnect, he's still a nutcase May 18 18:21:42 I just noticed that Nokia emailed me with a message that my order for the N800 cannot be shipped until I called them up to verify my id. May 18 18:21:57 I had to answer some stupid id verification questions May 18 18:22:16 It was wierd. I was thinking it was a scam. May 18 18:22:24 Now I won't get it til Tues. May 18 18:22:34 Fudge! May 18 18:24:10 They used a system by verid. Has anyone heard of that? www.verid.com May 18 18:25:05 the primary function of the nokia web store is to prevent customers from buying devices May 18 18:25:27 try living outside the 11 officially supported countries, for example May 18 18:28:15 mgedmin: they needed to verify because I didin't have a plan for my PHONE. Is the Nokia N800 also a phone? May 18 18:28:30 no it isn't May 18 18:29:11 I didn't think so, but the guys at Nokia told me that it was also a phone. May 18 18:44:13 then the guys at Nokia did not Have A Clue May 18 18:44:50 unless devices that can do Voice over IP are now phones May 18 18:50:29 I've had mixed results with nokia/letstalk in the US anyway May 18 18:50:58 mgedmin: I'm living in "The Corporate America" where advanced technology is not recognized. May 18 18:52:05 mgedmin: I'm just a corporate robot. May 18 19:15:28 jamey: it works much better than the version I had before May 18 19:16:07 jamey: do you mind if I put link to your repository and kernel/inifs images? May 18 19:16:12 on my blog, etc May 18 19:17:21 k-s[WORK], no problem. I'm glad it works May 18 19:18:05 jamey: what kind of profiling are you doing? And what's your average counter for events, using 500 makes it reboot :-P I'm still experimenting May 18 19:24:44 how would I go about getting my address book from my mac to my n800? May 18 19:24:49 can I just drop the vcards someplace? May 18 19:25:47 k-s[WORK], I am planning to profile a speech recognizer and a new window manager and UI toolkit May 18 19:26:02 k-s[WORK], you need to link /var/lib/oprofile to the mmc card May 18 19:26:06 I forgot to tell you May 18 19:26:23 I used default parameters for profiling otherwise May 18 19:27:09 jamey: ok, fine... btw, which window manager? May 18 19:27:30 arghhhh... reboot cycle, damn... May 18 19:33:43 pixie May 18 19:33:49 not seen in public yet May 18 19:33:55 worked on by my coworkers May 18 19:34:31 ok, fine May 18 19:34:52 jamey: ah, btw, your kernerl worked, but your initfs no May 18 19:34:58 it was causing the reboot cycle May 18 19:35:58 k-s[WORK], hmm. lack of wlan module causes a reboot cycle, maybe it was the wrong initfs. May 18 19:53:07 This is sad... the only groupware client that has all the features I need and is complete is Kontact, and it doesn't have a handheld port. May 18 19:53:29 I always run into this kind of thing when trying to build a solution May 18 20:45:43 Hi jamey! In my N800, I have set the event in opcontrol to CPU_CYCLES, started the daemon, dumped the data, etc. etc. but when i try to generate the report, I get the error: "no sample files found: profile specification too strict ?" Any ideas? May 18 20:50:57 jamey: have you seen this error: May 18 20:51:00 insanity nr_node=32e size=200 May 18 20:51:00 opreport error: /media/mmc2/oprofile/samples/current/{root}/root/test-slow/{dep}/{root}/root/test-slow/CPU_CYCLES.100000.0.all.all.all: Invalid argument May 18 21:02:04 jayarama, k-s[WORK] copy /var/lib/oprofile to mmc card, rm -fr /var/lib/oprofile, ln -s /media/mmc1/oprofile /var/lib/oprofile May 18 21:02:26 can't gather stats on jffs2 files because cannot mmap files in jffs2 MAP_SHARED May 18 21:02:52 need a script or something in the package May 18 21:02:58 to fix this up for you May 18 21:03:08 jamey: I've already this link May 18 21:03:18 jamey: I'm trying with another kernel May 18 21:03:53 oh, right, I see that in your error report May 18 21:04:25 the invalid argument error comes from user space tools May 18 21:04:34 did you restart the daemon after making the link? May 18 21:05:59 jamey: yep May 18 21:06:08 hmm May 18 21:06:26 I've reflashed with my previous kernel to check May 18 21:06:56 since I'm not using your initfs... May 18 21:13:11 I won't have time to look at this until Monday if it needs more debugging May 18 21:14:43 jamey: no problems, I'm also doing other things May 18 21:14:53 ok May 18 21:15:05 jamey: if you're interested: http://code.google.com/p/arm1136j-s/ May 18 21:15:25 I'll try to gather code snippets with good performance, in various areas May 18 21:15:39 memory ops, graphics, ... May 18 21:16:16 cool May 18 21:16:35 ouch... same error, even with my own kernel (insanity nr_node=32e size=200) May 18 21:16:42 opreport error: /media/mmc2/oprofile/samples/current/{root}/root/test-slow/{dep}/{root}/root/test-slow/CPU_CYCLES.100000.0.all.all.all: Invalid argument May 18 21:16:46 * jamey look for that error in the source May 18 21:16:50 as you can see, the link is already there May 18 21:17:38 df /media/mmc2 to verify card is mounted there? May 18 21:17:51 jamey: it is, and it's not full May 18 21:18:23 I am puzzled. May 18 21:18:49 I will investigate when I get a chance May 18 21:19:02 me too... I'll reset everything, maybe something else wrong here May 18 21:20:07 have to run, hope resetting things fixes it but I'll be back Monday May 18 21:20:13 ok May 18 21:20:15 thanks May 18 22:22:00 Is there a way to keep the n800's backlight on while charging? May 18 22:27:39 trevarthan: Yes. May 18 22:28:03 How? May 18 22:28:09 Very carefully. May 18 22:28:22 Control panel? May 18 22:28:39 You can use gconf to change the list of allowable timeouts. May 18 22:28:45 And add an entry for one that's really long. May 18 22:28:54 And then pick that one in the control panel. May 18 22:32:08 Ah. So youd have to set it every time you went on ac. No fun. May 18 22:32:40 Well, if you're really clever, you can write a program to monitor dbus for messages to tell when the AC adapter is connected and disconnected, and maintain separate settings. May 18 22:33:23 OR, you could use the one I already wrote: http://planetmath.cc.vt.edu/~derf/local/dists/bora/user/binary-armel/acmonitor_0.1_armel.deb May 18 22:38:24 derf: nice. What sort of config work doees acmonitor need? May 18 22:39:29 Plug it in, change your settings, unplug it, change your settings, plug it back in, it goes back to whatever it was last time it was plugged in. May 18 22:40:11 It tracks brightness and blank time. May 18 22:40:34 And while plugged in will periodically kill www.google.com to keep your net connection up. May 18 22:40:38 s/kill/ping May 18 22:40:49 Don't ask me why I said kill. May 18 22:45:53 derf: Dude, it's awesome. Why isn't it on maemo.org? May 18 22:47:01 Or, better yet, in the default firmware. May 18 22:47:13 Because I can't log in. May 18 22:47:38 You just wrote it? May 18 22:47:54 I mean, to downloads.maemo.org. May 18 22:48:10 It refuses to log me in with my garage account. May 18 22:48:59 And I wish it was in the default firmware... I had to reverse-engineer the dbus messaging stuff, and apparently it's totally broken in the IT2007 hacker's edition. May 18 22:49:17 So then that would be their problem, as I can't fix their broken messaging. May 18 22:50:32 Well, keep at it man. The squeeky wheel gets oiled. Gripe till they let you in. May 18 22:50:49 I mean, I wrote it back in March. May 18 22:50:55 At this point, I don't care anymore. May 18 22:51:21 The login problems to maemo.org seem to be well know, or at least I've seen a number of people bitching about them in this channel. May 18 23:11:46 I'm trying to use the Nokie Media COnverter, and it fails whenever I try to convert anything. May 18 23:13:27 It just says "lameopts is not a MEncoder option May 18 23:36:55 I understand that the Nokia N800 does not support ogg format, but can I downlaod a program to do it? May 18 23:37:30 .hello folks May 18 23:43:56 pr0nGuy: http://ogg.garage.maemo.org/ f.e. May 18 23:44:48 * sp3000 slaps downloads.maemo.org with a wet tcp syn May 18 23:44:55 oh there we go May 18 23:46:21 sp3000: what does "f.e." stand for? May 18 23:46:43 for example, I think I've seen other things before, dunno May 18 23:47:19 i see May 18 23:47:55 Is there any support for OTFE on that device that you know of? May 18 23:49:24 Are button presses on the n800 accessable via dbus? May 19 01:03:49 Does maemo support any 4g sd cards? i.e. This one doesn't say it's sdhc: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820163159 May 19 01:04:29 Does that mean it works? May 19 01:08:52 trevarthan...I guess only unofficial system images do support May 19 01:09:31 So do you have to use 2 2g sd cards to get 4g of storage? May 19 01:09:44 What does that mean? May 19 01:12:30 hi May 19 01:12:40 trevarthan: i got a couple of non-spec 4g cards during the last woot-off. they work fine. but it depends on whether you get lucky, since (by definition) they aren't spec, so they aren't -supposed- to work in anything. May 19 01:13:36 Just received the Stowaway bluetooth keyboard... works great! May 19 01:13:41 yah i love mine May 19 01:14:17 Interesting. Do we know when sdhc will be available? It's in 2.6.20, right? May 19 01:14:48 The stand was annoying until I saw in the manual that it comes off. May 19 01:15:15 Why is the stowaway better than the other bt kb from igo? May 19 01:16:39 havn´t seen the igo.. got a good deal on amazon for the stowaway May 19 01:18:43 Ummm... The stowaway is from igo too. May 19 01:19:44 my stowaway is from think outside May 19 01:19:57 Same thing. May 19 01:20:40 Do a googlle search for igo and look. May 19 01:20:46 the igo stowaway looks thinner and all black.. mine seems more solid and has grey keys. May 19 01:22:04 ahh.. igo also sells one that looks like think outside May 19 01:22:16 Folds in half? Or forths? May 19 01:22:55 and the website for igo says .. formerly Think Ouside... May 19 01:22:59 Dude. The igo url is thinkoutside.com. Same company. May 19 01:23:05 mine folds in half May 19 01:24:08 Ok. You've got the older less expensive 4 row model. You like it? Im thinking about getting same one. May 19 01:25:41 Disconnect: do you have the same one as zephar? May 19 01:26:07 yep 4 rows... got it for $86 with free shipping from amazon.com May 19 01:26:34 So far ... it is working better then a thought it would. very easy to type May 19 01:27:15 Nice. Still ain't cheap though. You think it's worth the extra price for the portability? May 19 01:28:56 It is a lot easier to use xchat on the n800 with it. :) May 19 01:30:14 I like thumbs for chat. I would use it for ssh. May 19 01:33:16 any suggestions on developing for the n800? I already have the vm image and know how to code in C/C++ and java. plan to go through the tutorials this weekend **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat May 19 02:59:56 2007