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May 23 04:13:59 <pr0nGuy> Does anyone know what retail store sells the Nokia N800 if any?
May 23 04:16:31 <unique311> jnr
May 23 04:16:35 <unique311> in nyc
May 23 04:16:48 <unique311> the nokia store also in nyc
May 23 04:24:47 <trevarthan> compiling irssi for os2007 here. is it possible to have xterm run something automatically? like, osso-xterm -c 'irssi' or something?
May 23 04:25:48 <trevarthan> pr0nGuy: I think they said CompUSA does/did. I bought mine from tigerdirect.
May 23 04:25:59 <trevarthan> I think you can get them from amazon and walmart too.
May 23 04:26:11 <trevarthan> not in store though. just online.
May 23 04:35:30 <pr0nGuy> trevarthan: you're right, but they just closed all of them around me.
May 23 04:35:54 <pr0nGuy> Closest place is 101 miles
May 23 04:36:15 <`0660> trevarthan, it is
May 23 04:38:38 <`0660> Exec=/usr/bin/osso-xterm /usr/bin/irssi <- a line like that in the .desktop file
May 23 04:51:56 <trevarthan> `0660: thanks. would it be a good idea to incorporate a dependency on osso-xterm and add a .desktop file with such a line in it to the package?
May 23 04:52:57 <trevarthan> dude... what's with the umask for a name?
May 23 04:57:14 <tigert> how do you know its "dude"? ;)
May 23 04:57:25 <tigert> mornng
May 23 05:01:47 <trevarthan> I just know. morning.
May 23 05:02:52 <trevarthan> Alright, I've got a irssi deb for os2007. No perl, of course. But it compiled. I'll submit it in a few days once I know it works ok. Relatively painless process so far. Think I'll make some more debs.
May 23 05:03:33 * trevarthan needs to get some sleep
May 23 05:03:40 <trevarthan> laters
May 23 05:05:04 <`0660> trevarthan
May 23 05:05:27 <`0660> did you include the network initialization script?
May 23 05:06:17 <`0660> isn't it possible to just add an dependency on any terminal?
May 23 05:06:43 <dragorn> pr0nGuy: Frys does
May 23 05:11:26 <javamaniac> hey guys, what's the name of the default browser on the os2007?
May 23 05:11:39 <javamaniac> if it's not opera, where can i find opera?
May 23 05:12:19 <trevarthan> javamaniac: it's opera
May 23 05:12:45 <trevarthan> `0660: no, no network init script. I'll see if it works as-is tomorrow. too tired now.
May 23 05:12:50 <javamaniac> oh, ok, and there's some other browser around?
May 23 05:12:59 <javamaniac> just to compare :)
May 23 05:13:11 <trevarthan> javamaniac: mozilla, I think. check maemo.org.
May 23 05:13:33 <trevarthan> I'm pretty happy with opera on my n800, personally.
May 23 05:13:40 <trevarthan> alright. I'm out.
May 23 05:16:30 <`0660> ok
May 23 05:56:05 <pr0nGuy> dragorn: What?'
May 23 08:13:46 <AD-N770> good morning
May 23 08:30:27 <Jaffa> Morning, all
May 23 12:35:06 <guardian> does anyone know if it's possible to have your .o in a separate directory when using autotools, instead of having them in the src directory next to the .c files ?
May 23 12:37:30 <Efrael_> I think it is but it's tricky. Pretty much no one does it that way.
May 23 12:37:48 <florian> it should be quite easy
May 23 12:38:02 <florian> just create a directory and run configure from there
May 23 12:38:07 <Mithrandir> mkdir somewhere ; cd somewhere ; ../configure ; make
May 23 12:38:13 <guardian> hmm
May 23 12:38:13 <Mithrandir> that's the usual way to do it
May 23 12:38:16 <guardian> gonna test that
May 23 12:38:18 <florian> exactly
May 23 12:46:30 <Efrael> Ah, I thought you ment automating it
May 23 14:01:23 <b0unc3> hello
May 23 14:11:32 <|tbb|> hi all, is there a subversion client available right now
May 23 14:21:52 <trevarthan> |tbb|: haven't seen one.
May 23 14:22:18 <trevarthan> you gonna write code on your tablet, eh?
May 23 14:49:54 <|tbb|> nope
May 23 15:51:56 <user__> Ggrmble; There is no escape key on y bbbrand new bt keyboard
May 23 15:52:16 <user__> how am i supose to use vi ?
May 23 15:55:11 <mgedmin> ctrl-]
May 23 16:08:30 <trevarthan> user__: which one did you get? (cause I don't want that one)
May 23 16:16:16 <mk8> Hi to all ...
May 23 17:10:19 <trevarthan> anyone have an autossh binary for os2007? http://www.harding.motd.ca/autossh/
May 23 17:10:27 <trevarthan> looks like it would be handy
May 23 17:39:52 <trevarthan> crap. I was setting up SSH pub key auth on my n800. I logged in as root and dumped my id_rsa and id_rsa.pub files in /home/user/.ssh/, then logged out and tried to log back in so I could change the ownership of those files. Now I can't log in as root! It says "stdin is not a tty". What can I do?
May 23 17:40:39 <dragorn> try ssh -t
May 23 17:41:12 <trevarthan> no good.
May 23 17:41:27 <dragorn> time to install gainroot and do it from console then
May 23 17:41:59 <trevarthan> ok. Luckily I had a root SSH console sitting around. What causes that message so I can fix it? Chown'ing those files didn't help.
May 23 17:42:34 <dragorn> the error itself is, well, not getting a tty.  With openssh you can force a pty allocation with -t, I'm not surprised dropbear sshd doesn't support it.  I don't know why you'd be getting it, however.
May 23 17:43:00 <dragorn> you could maybe get strace installed and trace the dropbear server and see what it's trying to do
May 23 17:43:32 <trevarthan> I think I'm running the openssh server... how do I get a list of the packages install from the cli?
May 23 17:44:03 <dragorn> probably dpkg
May 23 17:46:03 <trevarthan> yeah, dropbear server, openssh client.
May 23 17:46:30 <trevarthan> why the f would I not have a tty all the sudden?
May 23 17:47:14 <trevarthan> can you only log in as root once?
May 23 17:47:26 <dragorn> dunno, i've never had it happen with dropbear.  Usually means you're doing something funny, like trying to run a screen-based program directly
May 23 17:49:49 <trevarthan> geez. I'm not. That I know of. I'm terrified to log out of my root console session now too.
May 23 17:54:22 <mgedmin> can you ssh in as user?
May 23 17:54:49 * trevarthan sighs
May 23 17:54:53 <trevarthan> /proc/sys/kernel/pty/max = 4
May 23 17:54:59 <trevarthan> I almost shat myself.
May 23 17:55:42 <trevarthan> I just had too many consoles open.
May 23 17:59:48 <trevarthan> now. i wonder if it's possible to overwrite the screen lock dialog with something that has thumb friendly buttons?
May 23 18:01:46 <guardian> evening
May 23 18:04:39 <tko> trevarthan: hildon-libs/hildon-widgets/hildon-code-dialog.c
May 23 18:04:42 <trevarthan> doesn't look like it's a process. probably built into hildon itself or something.
May 23 18:04:48 <trevarthan> ah
May 23 18:04:49 <trevarthan> cool
May 23 18:07:58 <trevarthan> tko: so, I've got the dev kit. I'm assuming it comes with hildon binaries. How would I go about recompiling hildon?
May 23 18:08:34 <tko> trevarthan: apt-get source hildon-libs ; apt-get build-dep hildon-libs ; cd hildon-libs* ; dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b
May 23 18:09:56 <trevarthan> sweet
May 23 18:10:13 <tko> MDK: where did the lock code dialog go? I can't see it in hildon-1
May 23 18:11:21 <tko> (IIRC we were doing something for the buttons already)
May 23 18:12:35 <trevarthan> how do I make the dialog appear in Xephyr?
May 23 18:13:27 <tko> gtk_dialog_run (hildon_code_dialog_new ()); ?
May 23 18:15:10 <trevarthan> isn't there like a keystroke to emulate the power button or something?
May 23 18:15:44 <tko> I'm not sure the systemui process is running in xephyr
May 23 18:16:35 <tko> besides, it's much easier for you to make a tiny app which shows the dialog instead of restarting the xephyr environment all the time
May 23 18:16:48 <trevarthan> ok. fair enough.
May 23 18:43:10 <Negen> yo
May 23 18:56:55 <homeasvs> I was going to check lucasr's screencasts on writing some n800 apps using python
May 23 18:57:06 <homeasvs> but it would seem that his tutorials are for the next generation hildon version
May 23 18:57:08 <florian> re
May 23 18:57:09 <homeasvs> is that correct ?
May 23 18:57:23 <homeasvs> and if so, is there some tutorial for the current version so I could write an app that would work today ?
May 23 19:03:39 <trevarthan> If anyone wants to play with the IRSSI package I made, you can get it here: http://www.guardiani.us/index.php/N800_custom_packages
May 23 19:04:13 <trevarthan> Consider it a Beta package. I've been testing it today and it seems to work nicely, but no promises.
May 23 19:05:44 <unique311> i will betta
May 23 19:14:25 <snorkelyd> vertigo
May 23 19:29:32 <guardian> irssi ?
May 23 19:29:37 <guardian> on a nokia tablet
May 23 19:29:52 <guardian> how much time do you need to enter a sentence ?:)
May 23 19:45:48 <trevarthan> i am writing this with my thumbs. it's not too bad.
May 23 19:46:58 <trevarthan> hella better than im'ing or texting from a phone. my wife does that all the time too.
May 23 19:47:29 <trevarthan> i'll ask her what she's smoking for ya.
May 23 19:49:25 <mk8> Hi to all ...
May 23 19:58:38 <maddlah> hey all!
May 23 20:09:25 <homeasvs> can status applets be written in python ?
May 23 21:11:44 <Okko> trevarthan: I get "NO WINDOWS: -!- Irssi: Invalid charset: CP1252"
May 23 21:13:32 <mk8> Hi to all ...
May 23 21:57:49 <trevarthan> Okko: you got an n800 with that latest firmware?
May 23 22:11:32 <unique311> trevarthan video of your accomplishments
May 23 22:20:17 <trevarthan> there is no way to get scrollback history using irssi-proxy, is there?
May 23 22:20:49 <trevarthan> So I'm basically without history from the time I leave one terminal and go to another...
May 23 22:22:29 <trevarthan> unique311: you want a video of what exactly?
May 23 22:24:35 <unique311> irssi running on the 770or800
May 23 22:25:48 <trevarthan> why? you don't believe me?
May 23 22:25:56 <trevarthan> I'm not sure how I would go about doing that.
May 23 22:26:05 <trevarthan> I could take a screenshot.
May 23 22:26:24 <trevarthan> no video camera, other than my n800 though.
May 23 22:39:25 <unique311> i believe..
May 23 22:39:33 <unique311> a video is always a plus..
May 23 22:39:42 <unique311> place it on the youtube..
May 23 22:40:11 <unique311> and people who are hardcore fans of irsii, it might be a motivation to get an N800
May 23 22:40:12 <unique311> lol
May 23 23:36:56 <Negen> anyone alive??
May 24 00:22:39 <Negen> any .net programmers here?
May 24 00:23:38 <bipolar> Negen: best just ask the question :)
May 24 00:24:15 <Negen> im about to f
May 24 00:25:11 <Negen> laaunch a site for security apps on the n800 looking for another .net dev
May 24 00:38:28 <Negen> any bt keyboards work with the n800?
May 24 00:38:39 <Robot101> yes
May 24 00:39:28 <Negen> ive tried two of my logis.... no discovery
May 24 00:39:37 <Negen> any suggestions?
May 24 00:39:56 <Robot101> we've used thinkoutside keyboards, and also a frogpad, with no problems
May 24 00:40:16 <Robot101> did you make them discoverable?
May 24 00:40:23 <Negen> what bout mice
May 24 00:40:32 <Robot101> anything that implements the bluetooth HID keyboard profile should work
May 24 00:40:43 <Robot101> mice I don't think so, there's no pointer :D
May 24 00:41:07 <Negen> of course even used btscanner to assure correct addy
May 24 00:41:41 <Robot101> eh? you're not using the UI?
May 24 00:42:26 <Negen> i did but after discovery and no input used it
May 24 00:42:49 <Negen> may be the kb
May 24 00:43:07 <Negen> i know shit bout bt though
May 24 00:47:54 <Negen> ahh got it now... brb
May 24 01:11:21 <neostrider> hello folks
May 24 01:11:47 <neostrider> any crazy man to test the new version of my game?
May 24 01:18:26 <neostrider> unique!
May 24 01:36:41 <Negen> it is the kb robot... they require proprietary drivers
May 24 01:40:15 <Negen> is there any way to get active x ctrls to work on the 800?
May 24 01:40:36 <Negen> im trying to use tvlinks
May 24 01:42:18 <Negen> any help for an 800 noob?
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