**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat May 26 02:59:57 2007 May 26 07:04:39 hi, one basic question: on n800, how can I get shell access and sshd on the device May 26 07:09:01 oil: yes May 26 07:09:22 oil: there is instructions on the maemo.org site May 26 07:10:36 http://maemo.org/community/wiki/InstallSsh May 26 07:11:07 ok. thanks. I'll follow that one May 26 07:11:48 oil: better follow http://maemo.org/community/wiki/installssh2006/ May 26 07:12:00 it's not as outdated as the first one May 26 07:12:22 thanks. and the instructions for 770 and 800 are the same? May 26 07:12:37 that's messed up May 26 07:12:48 wait a second, i'll get my n800 and walk you through May 26 07:14:28 oil: so, do you have the last firmware installed? May 26 07:14:57 zakx: yes. I'll have the latest May 26 07:15:19 this will take a while. I'll add up all the repositories to the terminal May 26 07:15:45 notice that you shouldn't use "mistral" repositories May 26 07:16:11 that's the old maemo 2.0 release May 26 07:16:27 n800 runs 3.1, so you need to add "bora"-repositories May 26 07:16:57 you should also add no repositories meant for use with the SDK May 26 07:17:08 as they will most likely brick your installation May 26 07:17:50 for openssh you'll want "deb http://repository.maemo.org/ bora free non-free" May 26 07:18:05 you can add that using the GUI package manager May 26 07:18:56 if you did not do this yet, activate the red pill mode: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationManagerRedPillMode May 26 07:19:34 ok thanks. I'll try to get things working. nice to learn about the device May 26 07:19:37 you'll need that as the application only installs and displays user/*-packages May 26 07:19:59 when in red pill mode, you can install everything, but be careful with that ;) May 26 07:20:23 after these steps you can easily select "openssh" via the program and install it May 26 07:20:40 you'll be able to ssh into it now (as root, password is "rootme") May 26 07:20:49 better change the password after your first login May 26 07:20:50 ;) May 26 07:21:23 if you want a terminal on the device itself, there's a package named osso-terminal or something like that May 26 07:21:31 yes. better. or i'll have some unwanted visitors on the device :) May 26 07:42:30 cool. now I'm on root access to the n800 :) May 26 07:49:17 hi there May 26 07:49:53 im trying to code a little multitrak app for sound recording with python/gst May 26 07:50:33 where can i get code sample, tutorial and doc please ? May 26 07:50:45 im searching for maemo specifique stuff May 26 07:50:52 specific May 26 07:51:05 http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/ May 26 07:51:22 http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/Maemo_tutorial_bora.html May 26 07:52:44 ok cool May 26 07:52:53 and of course: May 26 07:52:54 http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/python_maemo_3.x_howto.html May 26 07:52:58 :) May 26 07:54:08 I forgot to say big thanks for the help :) May 26 07:54:16 thanks, are there any python/gst stuff specofic to maemo, i mean things like dspmp3sink for example May 26 07:54:33 i know nothing about gstreamer, so i dont know. May 26 07:54:55 ok, anyway thanks fpr the links abobe ;) May 26 07:54:59 above May 26 07:56:26 oil: you're welcome :) May 26 07:57:01 there will be lot's of question for more.. after I'll get introduced with this device :) May 26 07:57:30 btw. do you know how to sniff which wlan AP's are around? May 26 08:02:20 <`0660> oil, just click the globe in the top right corner and it will show you available ap's :) May 26 08:02:45 or even better. if the terminal connects to a certain wlan apn, then I can do some actions May 26 08:03:13 :) but I'm looking for an daemon or similar for wall garden May 26 08:07:38 eg. when the device finds an open ssid, which requires login. the device would do the login automatically May 26 09:32:15 now we only need flexible cpu: http://youtube.com/?v=H7QbQugXy1A :) May 26 09:44:21 hello ;) May 26 09:44:58 I want to buy an nokia n800, is it advisable ? May 26 09:52:23 eichi, depends on whom you ask and what you're looking for May 26 09:52:32 eichi, generally I'd say: "Hell yeah!" May 26 10:02:13 which desktop runs on the n800? i dont know this one on linux May 26 10:04:39 hildon May 26 10:05:37 http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HildonDesktopPortability May 26 10:08:19 there is no problem, killing software like opera and install firefox etc? May 26 10:10:17 well, i dont know May 26 10:10:19 i use opera May 26 10:10:58 hm okay May 26 10:11:34 you use wlan for surfing in the internet? May 26 10:12:19 wireless lan ? yep May 26 10:12:23 there is no other choice. May 26 10:12:30 sure there is May 26 10:12:33 well, actually there is a way to have network via usb May 26 10:12:43 Or grps with a bluetooth phone May 26 10:12:57 oh yeah, i forgot this one May 26 10:14:10 Had I a company paid phone, that'd be my primary access May 26 10:14:27 Now I only use wlan @home or @work May 26 13:06:07 Hi there! A bit off topic, but.... I'm part of the project thats porting Linux to the H63XX series of iPaqs, which happen to have a vary similar processor (OMAP1510) and the same DSP (TMS320C55x), albit at a lower frequency. Never having worked with a DSP before, I'm wondering would it be possible to checkout all the DSP related things, like dspgateway and the gstreamer dsp sinks, compile them, and run them on the iPaq? May 26 13:24:47 I don't think we've got this parts open May 26 13:31:41 dsp things are rather on the proprietary side May 26 13:38:40 iih. 1 day and bricked n800 :) May 26 13:38:55 the device refuses to boot anymore May 26 13:39:11 maybe a reinstallation of the os would help? May 26 13:39:48 Most likely, unless you did something really naughty May 26 13:40:09 not really. hopefully May 26 13:40:33 i suppose there is no 'safe' mode boot ? May 26 13:44:14 Nope May 26 13:44:30 but turning the software watchdog off might help, depend on why it's not booting May 26 13:45:07 Juhaz: how to do that? the device tries to boot but fails. I can not do anything? May 26 13:45:37 at what point of the boot process does it fail? May 26 13:46:14 I get the Nokia logo. Then after a while it just reboots itself May 26 13:46:41 No progressbar? May 26 13:46:53 it got to a third or something May 26 13:47:00 what would cause a program to run great in the scratchbox environment....and to seg fault on the device... May 26 13:47:15 now I re-installad the image.. and progressbar went all the way to the end May 26 13:47:17 no errors on the device... May 26 13:47:25 ok. now it's ok. May 26 13:47:51 Visual 0 will use shared memory for X Segmentation fault May 26 13:48:10 stomped.... May 26 13:48:36 i'm thinking its the optimize CFLAGS i used in scratchbox.. May 26 13:49:08 the program is apple IIgs emulator....kegs. May 26 14:45:58 hello May 26 14:46:07 anybody in here May 26 14:47:01 maybe... May 26 14:47:24 ok i'll take maybe May 26 14:47:39 got some issues... May 26 14:48:02 i compiled...kegs..which is a apple IIgs emulator.. May 26 14:48:28 works fine in scratchbox, but when i run it on the device it seg faults.... May 26 14:48:34 with no erros... May 26 14:48:39 errors May 26 14:49:19 is that a common thing for an app to work in scratchbox and not work on the device.. May 26 14:51:08 mine segfault already in scractchbox :) May 26 14:52:15 urs.. May 26 14:52:20 apple IIgs? May 26 14:52:44 non the apps i write in scracthbox May 26 14:52:52 ok May 26 14:53:23 i never had a pb such as a segfualt on the device that did not occurs in scratchbox May 26 14:53:40 how do i kill the hildon desktop..and if i do, will i get a terminal.. May 26 14:54:13 thats my problem..it works in scratchbox the ARM environment also.... May 26 14:54:33 but yet..it segfaults on the device.. May 26 14:54:59 if it did, and gave me an error....i would be happy.. May 26 14:57:09 maybe using gdb on the device itself would help ? http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/maemo_debugging_guide.html May 26 15:01:49 too much May 26 15:02:11 i figure its a memory issue.. May 26 15:02:29 been working on this thing for 3 days.. May 26 15:02:48 got it working...just to be dissapointed when running it on the device.. May 26 15:02:58 i'm over it.. May 26 15:52:42 Anyone here familiar with Blue Serial? May 26 16:07:39 is there a way to 'sniff' what is happening on the osso dbus bus ? May 26 16:20:11 melmoth, is dbus-monitor available. at least in ubuntu it seems to work ok May 26 16:22:29 molkko: and you can check what is going on in the scratchbox bus ? May 26 16:23:04 melmoth, dunno about scratchbox but now i did try dbus-monitor in my n800 and it really seems to work May 26 16:24:08 oh, it s available in the sdk. May 26 16:24:09 [sbox-SDK_X86: ~/dev/rapier/trunk] > run-standalone.sh dbus-monitor May 26 16:24:09 Failed to open connection to session message bus: Unable to determine the address of the message bus May 26 16:30:55 try --system parameter May 26 16:31:41 it works for the system bus, like it starts May 26 16:31:46 melmoth, did you start the session with af-sb-init.sh? May 26 16:31:50 but what i m intersested in is probably on the user bus May 26 16:32:11 yes, i have a whole session runing in xephyr May 26 16:32:33 the idea is to unedrestand why an app taht is started correctly with the menu, just dies somes seconds later May 26 16:32:36 no core, nothing May 26 16:32:51 i expect something related to osso and dbus and stuff, but am clueless on how to investigate this way May 26 16:33:31 when i start the application with the hildon menu , i see nothing in dbus-monitor with --system, so it s probably not on the system bus i have to look May 26 16:36:43 mhhh, works better on the tablet actually May 26 16:37:02 tigert: where do I get one of these? http://tigert.1g.fi/kuvat/maemo/maemo-hpcalc.jpg May 26 16:37:35 where do i get apache+php to n800? May 26 16:38:09 That reminds me that I've been thinking a lot lately that a screen rotate function would be handy on my n800. Sometimes you just need more height than width, you know? May 26 16:38:19 or does not have to be apache but any webserver that works without excess hassle with php May 26 16:38:41 molkki: I remember seeing phpcgi in the app manager. May 26 16:38:47 sorry, molkko May 26 16:39:08 And I think there is an httpd server in there too. not apache though. May 26 16:39:40 you gonna use your n800 as a mobile demonstration server? May 26 16:40:12 I'm also interested about dbus. how could I do, that the device would run a script, when connected to a certain wlan SSID ? May 26 16:41:29 trevarthan: it was just a mockup May 26 16:41:30 trevarthan: but May 26 16:41:36 there is a hp calculator ported to the device May 26 16:41:47 the mockup was just to encourage people think in portrait mode as well May 26 16:41:48 oil_: If you figure that out, let me know too. I'd love be able to run scripts when the wlan if goes up. May 26 16:42:03 since the one existing had the keypad split in two pieces side by side May 26 16:42:25 trevarthan: I will. at least there is nothin on dbus-monitor when doing the connection May 26 16:42:25 tigert: I think you've got something there. May 26 16:44:10 tigert: you don't have a link to the existing hp calc do ya? Been searching google and maemo.org and I don't see it. May 26 16:44:54 dbus-monitor --system seems to get the information May 26 16:45:02 but how to run a script for that May 26 16:46:12 http://maemo.org/downloads/product/free42/ May 26 16:46:16 but this is horizontal in the first place May 26 16:46:25 but one should really design these as fullscreen apps :) May 26 16:47:46 why the heck doesn't that show up when searching for 'calc' or 'calculator'. May 26 16:48:21 that is something you can file a bug for May 26 16:49:15 How does maemo.org work? Is there like a maintainer for each package? Or is it an organization that manages it? May 26 16:49:39 well May 26 16:49:58 maemo.org is the opensource effort of nokia, if that defines it good enough May 26 16:50:12 and garage.maemo.org is basically g-forge installation May 26 16:50:18 where anyone can get an account to host a project May 26 16:50:25 and those can be added to the catalog May 26 16:51:20 so while its a job for some people, its also a community thing - like X-Fade_ has been helping a lot with the web layout etc May 26 16:55:01 gotcha. May 26 16:58:06 that 42 doesn't behave like a normal calculator. I'd have to learn to use it. May 26 16:58:15 Are there any TI calc emulators for maemo? May 26 17:02:05 Now, thats funny..my app does not crash on its own anymore if i s/org.maemo.rapier/com.maemo.rapier/ everywhere, and change the service file name accordingly May 26 17:02:14 is this..a bug ? May 26 17:02:47 i meant changing org.maemo.rapier to com.nokia.rapier May 26 17:05:24 melmoth: I'm probably alone, but I don't have a clue what you're talking about. May 26 17:08:39 trevarthan: this is about how to start apps from the hildon menu May 26 17:08:40 http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/Maemo_tutorial_bora.html#integration May 26 17:08:54 and s its really really really ...hmmm. strange i should say :) May 26 17:10:37 trevarthan: its reverse polish notation, the hp calculators had that May 26 17:10:40 some people love it May 26 17:11:02 melmoth: so, you're changing X-Osso-Service and it doesn't crash? May 26 17:11:41 tigert: yeah, my boss has one of those I think. He showed it to me. I prefer a good TI-82/83, I think. May 26 17:12:44 trevarthan: that s it trevarthan ....it does not crash anymore if i call the service nokia.something, and not maemo.something May 26 17:14:19 tigert: maybe this? http://lpg.ticalc.org/prj_tilem/shots.html May 26 17:19:19 doesn't compile without some effort, it seems. I might take a look at this after I port autossh to maemo. May 26 19:09:13 hello, is maemo multi user ? can I use for example the n800 with 2 users, different logins like I do on my linux desktop? May 26 19:10:45 eichi: no, I don May 26 19:10:45 I guess so May 26 19:10:49 't think so May 26 19:10:54 <`0660> yes, it is May 26 19:11:10 hmmm... news to me. How does that work? May 26 19:11:11 but I really don't know how dbus and other services are supposed to work in multi-user modes May 26 19:11:45 <`0660> i'm not sure about the desktop either May 26 19:12:16 eichi: you don't want to run sessions in parallel but have a xdm like login right? May 26 19:12:28 keesj: yes ;) May 26 19:12:44 I was more thinking on kernel/ssh/login level May 26 19:12:55 or remote login on my desktop? not really ;D ? May 26 19:13:38 eichi: Well, you could always VNC into another machine, but I think you lose the on-screen keyboard then. May 26 19:14:02 interesing, I guess it will requires some hacking with patchs but I would be an interesting exercies, May 26 19:14:14 eichi: I've never seen a user login interface like xdm on my n800. May 26 19:15:57 We need to modify rdesktop to have a hovering button to pop up the onscreen kb or something. May 26 19:17:39 eichi: I don't think it has been done before. May 26 19:18:40 What has been done becore is installing a debian arm and connect to it using vnc, May 26 19:32:57 eichi there are already plenty of accountsirc:*:39:39:ircd:/var/run/ircd:/bin/sh May 26 19:32:59 ? May 26 19:34:34 sorry I have a very laggy connection atm May 26 19:39:01 re May 26 19:41:27 charging the battery from a n800 with solarcells? possible? May 26 19:44:15 making it more mobile ;) May 26 19:44:24 eichi: what kind of fun project are your investigating? May 26 19:45:03 I ask only for interesst May 26 19:46:05 today I have bought a new photo camera , it's a Olympus Mju 770 SW, it can go under water May 26 19:46:25 I guess the n800 sould also be water proof that would be so cool May 26 19:47:16 perhaps the olpc is more the way to go :P May 26 19:47:25 very usefull, browsing in the internet under water May 26 19:51:30 I quick grep over /etc/init.d shows at least a few su - user command May 26 19:53:43 the n800 uses 17mW in idle May 26 19:54:09 2,3 W with video call May 26 19:58:25 someone has an n800 and can say me the volt of loading? May 26 19:58:33 12? May 26 19:59:16 the adapter is saying 5V May 26 20:00:43 eichi and in suspend? May 26 20:02:10 keesj: and amphere? May 26 20:04:00 890 mA May 26 20:12:18 arg... my autossh package doesn't work. May 26 20:13:01 works from dev environment, but not from device. May 26 20:20:19 ah. configure must have hardcoded the ssh binary path using /scratchbox somehow. May 26 20:52:13 AutoSSH deb, if anyone wants it: http://www.guardiani.us/index.php/N800_custom_packages May 26 21:01:55 Hi all May 26 21:20:05 hi nkverma May 26 21:21:46 the n800 usb is only client usb? no chance to make it host? May 26 21:26:14 eichi: there's a chance. My understanding is that the linux kernel only supports client mode for that chipset. Develop host mode in the kernel and it's just a matter of incorporating that kernel into the firmware. May 26 23:51:03 Does anyone know how to access an SMB filesystem from an n800? May 27 00:48:33 hello folks! May 27 00:48:45 anyone with guts to test my game?! May 27 00:49:34 I might try it out. You test it yourself first? May 27 00:52:05 sure May 27 00:52:11 im having lots of fun testing it =-) May 27 00:52:19 FLTK May 27 00:52:28 alternative for osx? May 27 00:52:47 FLTK is made with GL, right? May 27 00:53:36 yea May 27 00:54:13 know of similar apps for osx? May 27 00:54:34 similar apps for what use? May 27 00:54:42 FLTK is a GUI toolkit, just like GTK May 27 00:55:11 to create apps... May 27 00:55:30 but looking for the gui route. May 27 00:56:33 ok May 27 00:56:41 you can always try openstep May 27 00:56:48 cocoa is based on it May 27 00:56:51 and it is opensource May 27 00:58:41 thanks May 27 00:58:55 did you take a look at gimp.... May 27 00:59:02 well the source.. May 27 00:59:17 not actually May 27 00:59:38 got kegs compiled...appleIIGS EMU May 27 00:59:38 ive been focusing on juicing my game engine, its sluggish graphics get faster May 27 00:59:46 I think I just did it run ok May 27 01:00:06 I will put on the web for you to download...brb May 27 01:00:20 it runs in scratchbox....but when i run it on the device it segfaults.. May 27 01:00:24 very mad.. May 27 01:00:31 k May 27 01:02:12 divshare,right? May 27 01:05:11 yeah May 27 01:05:21 group maemo or n800 May 27 01:05:37 unique311: what does an strace look like? May 27 01:06:18 http://www.divshare.com/download/747089-3dd May 27 01:06:48 please, leave the "storage" directory on the root of your mmc card (/media/mmc1) May 27 01:06:57 and also, please report ;-) May 27 01:07:02 k May 27 01:07:06 trevarthan... May 27 01:07:09 ??? May 27 01:07:34 unique311: you've never used strace? May 27 01:07:49 no May 27 01:08:08 might help you debug the segfault. tell you what it is doing right before the segfault anyway. May 27 01:08:24 brb - dinner May 27 01:08:26 there's a version of strace for the n800. I can't remember where I got mine. May 27 01:08:52 so run kegs and then strace May 27 01:09:03 nah, just run `strace kegs` May 27 01:09:03 it'll tell me why its seg faulting May 27 01:09:09 k.. May 27 01:09:15 let me get that done.. May 27 01:09:22 maybe, maybe not. but it might point you in the right direction. May 27 01:09:56 k May 27 01:10:05 better than nothing.. May 27 01:11:27 you can also attach to a running process, I think, using the -p option, I think. May 27 01:12:02 So if it only crashes after you do something specific, you can start your app, get it ready, then connect and do that thing that crashes it. May 27 01:12:32 i think its a memory issue.. May 27 01:12:48 gotta find strace.. May 27 01:19:37 im back May 27 01:19:46 anyone tried the game? May 27 01:20:21 looking for strace,, May 27 01:20:24 i will in a bit May 27 01:22:04 yeah, gimme a bit neostrider. I gotta do a firmware backup of my n800 first, just in case. May 27 01:23:04 haahha May 27 01:23:04 ok May 27 01:23:11 never tried on n800 indeed May 27 01:23:13 i just got 770 May 27 01:23:21 on the n800 it will rock =-) May 27 01:30:52 the deb pack crashes May 27 01:31:02 it starts..play it and crash May 27 01:34:12 wow May 27 01:34:16 770 or N800? May 27 01:34:23 n800 May 27 01:34:27 hummm May 27 01:34:33 the splashscreen appears? May 27 01:35:09 it plays.. May 27 01:35:16 well now its playing nice.. May 27 01:35:23 running it from terminal May 27 01:35:27 no crashes yet May 27 01:35:50 strange May 27 01:35:53 slow? May 27 01:36:00 no.. May 27 01:36:06 start nice... May 27 01:36:08 good speed? May 27 01:36:18 or just "playable"? May 27 01:36:19 was it suppose to go in the extras folder. May 27 01:36:26 i placed it in the games folder May 27 01:36:47 I used to test it on extras, but on my 770, today, i used the games folder May 27 01:37:24 running it from terminal..no crash. May 27 01:37:32 running that icon... May 27 01:37:33 really strange... May 27 01:37:36 i get crashes.. May 27 01:38:29 maybe there is some differences between bora and gregalle May 27 01:38:38 maybe May 27 01:38:57 but definitely crashes when i don't run it from terminal.. May 27 01:39:05 sound would be nice... May 27 01:40:41 on desktop, we already have music, but sbox doesnt like my /dev/dsp May 27 01:40:57 any comment on gameplay? May 27 01:41:04 can you please take a picture? =-D May 27 01:43:36 anyone with a 770 can also test the game please? May 27 01:46:55 hey trevarthan...can u send your copy of strace over here.. May 27 01:47:27 well folks... i must go to the redmondXP for a bit...so, good night May 27 01:47:36 thanks for the testing May 27 01:51:19 unique311: turn on red pill mode in the application manager. I believe it shows up there. dpkg -p says I have strace-4.5.14-1.osso1, so I think it's a Nokia package. May 27 01:56:29 I need to build a new kernel with jffs2 support. Anyone know how to turn it on through menuconfig? May 27 02:03:34 killed by SIGSGV May 27 02:03:40 lol May 27 02:03:56 had issues with that on another app.. May 27 02:04:18 basiliskII May 27 02:04:46 what got SIGSGV'd? strace? Or app manager? May 27 02:04:59 strace May 27 02:07:30 ummm... you've got serious problems then May 27 02:07:50 when you run strace by itself? Or when you pair it with keg? May 27 02:07:58 when i pair it.. May 27 02:08:24 kegs is dying seg faulting for SIGSEGV May 27 02:09:40 now why i don't get the sigsegv in scratchbox... May 27 02:12:54 I wonder if it's using some x86 specific asm? May 27 02:13:07 I bet a bad CPU instruction would do that. May 27 02:14:21 gonna check the src..and compile...i compile it with some optimization flags i saw online.. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun May 27 02:59:56 2007