**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jun 01 02:59:58 2007 Jun 01 07:16:06 would someone here know how I can interpret guint value that con_ic_statistics_event_get_signal_strength returns? Jun 01 07:31:50 how could I get my hands on the wlan access points that the n800 sees? Jun 01 07:32:14 to get signal strengths and stuff Jun 01 07:39:52 iwconfig? Jun 01 07:50:27 good morning Jun 01 07:53:08 morning Jun 01 07:56:27 tigert: thanks Jun 01 08:01:10 morning maemo Jun 01 08:02:07 Morning, all Jun 01 08:05:48 hi there Jun 01 08:05:55 how are you?? Jun 01 08:10:25 somebody who could maybe help me?? Jun 01 08:10:30 i try apt-get install $(echo $(apt-cache search sink | cut -f1 -d\ ;apt-cache search alsa | cut -f1 -d\ )) Jun 01 08:10:44 and get: libgstreamer0.10-dev: Depends: pkg-config but it is not installable Jun 01 08:10:55 where do i get pkg-config?? Jun 01 08:11:35 apt-get install pkg-config tells me: Package pkg-config is not available, but is referred to by another package. Jun 01 08:14:12 my apt sources: https://www.securepaste.com/decrypt_data.php?id=dp3NzhcE6&password=bud Jun 01 08:16:28 apt-get update is complaining about some signatures (line 23 & 24) - see https://www.securepaste.com/decrypt_data.php?id=5UPbu3y49Cn&password=bud Jun 01 08:16:50 anyone able to help me?? Jun 01 08:21:24 du1 how did you install maemo sdk rootstraps ? Jun 01 08:21:26 manually? Jun 01 08:21:51 and which version, gregale ? bora ? Jun 01 08:22:03 the one you want?!?! Jun 01 08:23:02 hi, what is the best way to play audio with very low latency on n800? like effects in a game or click sound when tapping the screen? Jun 01 08:23:17 gstreamer Jun 01 08:23:20 interface Jun 01 08:23:29 that is what nokia wants you to use Jun 01 08:24:14 quite helpfull when starting off with gstreamer: http://mirror.linux.org.au/pub/linux.conf.au/2007/video/talks/272.pdf Jun 01 08:24:23 gstreamer takes something like 2 secs to start the pipeline, dunno what Im doing wrong Jun 01 08:24:41 ok thanks Ill take a look Jun 01 08:27:00 pff, I tried to make a deb package from wirelesstools but doesn't seem to work Jun 01 08:28:51 Hmm, Foleo looks interesting. Jun 01 08:32:33 not to me Jun 01 08:32:41 certainly not a palm saver Jun 01 08:33:03 * Jaffa dislikes the lack of a keyboard on his N800, means I can't use it for meeting notes/minutes Jun 01 08:33:47 Jaffa: use the handwriting-recognition Jun 01 08:34:06 but first teach him your own symbols (clear all other definitions first) Jun 01 08:34:08 works well! Jun 01 08:34:56 Not for me :-/ Jun 01 08:35:07 ;) Jun 01 08:35:13 It's a very nice entertainment device but that's harder to justify to the wife ;) Jun 01 08:35:15 Jaffa: i view foleo as a limited subnotebook, but a subnotebook anyhow, which puts it to different category than 770/800.. in my view Jun 01 08:36:12 i really like the possibility to open up the xterm on the n800, ssh home and do some stuff to pass the time during meetings *g* Jun 01 08:36:30 excuse my bad english btw Jun 01 08:37:46 gla55_: indeed, but the mistake many manufacturers make (and Nokia's made in some of its statements) is assuming that consumers don't have to settle on one device in the category which best meets their needs and instead will buy one device from each category, eg. PDA, Internet Tablet, Smartphone, Laptop, Desktop Jun 01 08:38:27 Jaffa: yeah but foleo is in the smallish laptop category Jun 01 08:38:40 well Jun 01 08:38:53 i just don't see it selling like hotcakes and saving palm Jun 01 08:38:54 And, if nothing else, it looks more interestingly hackable with "proper" USB, VGA out. Much easier to hack on the move. Jun 01 08:38:58 The foleo would be usefull for me, e.g. for trips I don't want to lug around a macbook pro Jun 01 08:39:22 ~12" laptops aren't that much more expensive than foleo Jun 01 08:39:27 gla55_: yeah, it's a different product category, but it's targetted at the same people (big screen, internet on the move) at a similar price. Jun 01 08:39:52 the pepperpad laptop version would be nice to try Jun 01 08:40:06 Is there one? Jun 01 08:40:13 on their pages yes Jun 01 08:40:27 but it's not on sale yet/currently it seems Jun 01 08:40:29 what about UMPC's like the Sony Vaio U-Series?? Jun 01 08:40:42 du1: they tend to cost 2k+ Jun 01 08:41:14 Jaffa: http://www.pepper.com/solutions/web-devices.html at the bottom.. seems like they try to pitch it to oems Jun 01 08:41:36 but some ppl have to think thei're worth it... ;) Jun 01 08:41:59 du1: yes but they're in entirely different category because of the price Jun 01 08:42:05 4 times more expensive Jun 01 08:42:24 4 times more expensive wouldn't matter if it was 100->400, but 500->2k.. Jun 01 08:42:45 * Jaffa could see using a Foleo a lot more than his N800, assuming the $450 price tag transferred across to about Ł250 (i.e. the same price as an N800) Jun 01 08:43:04 gla55_: looks very interesting Jun 01 08:43:08 ultra small, ultra mobile, ultra powersaving, ultra ultra...... Jun 01 08:43:15 Jaffa: I suspect the foleo is even more closed-source than the n800 Jun 01 08:44:13 i would think so as well Jun 01 08:44:16 koen: is that possible? ;-) Admittedly, I wouldn't expect Palm to change overnight, these things take time... Jun 01 08:44:22 i dunno why they're sitting on the specs of the thing Jun 01 08:44:24 But you're probably right. Jun 01 08:44:30 Jaffa: apparently foleo has a cf slot inside it Jun 01 08:44:41 gla55_: _under_ the battery :( Jun 01 08:44:46 One of the articles said "open to third pary developers", but I can't find anything about that Jun 01 08:44:52 yeah Jun 01 08:45:53 no info about that really, so currently it's like jobs's "omg 3rd party devs just suck but there will be 3rd party support sometime eventually" with iphone Jun 01 08:45:57 so what are the technical specs from the foleo about? Jun 01 08:46:05 can't find em Jun 01 08:46:09 du1: if you find anything concrete let me know too Jun 01 08:46:16 the launch was a joke from that aspect Jun 01 08:46:23 http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2494029776.html Jun 01 08:47:18 With a 1024x768 screen, ditching the Palm environment and running xfce is a real possibility (unlike on the N800 which needs a custom UI IMNSHO) Jun 01 08:47:54 perhaps Jun 01 08:48:08 that linuxdevices article is as vague as others about specs Jun 01 08:48:35 http://eugenia.blogsome.com/2007/05/30/palm-foleo-vs-nokia-n800/ Jun 01 08:48:45 this is all very strange as they got mhz etc etc specs for the other palm devices in marketing pages.. Jun 01 08:49:24 5 hours Jun 01 08:49:27 even with full wifi Jun 01 08:49:32 smells like marketing bullshit Jun 01 08:50:16 something like htc athena but with linux would be nice Jun 01 08:50:47 (magnetic attaching keyboard and shit) Jun 01 09:00:53 f*** Jun 01 09:01:01 where do i get make for the n800?? Jun 01 09:01:09 i'm on it via ssh Jun 01 09:01:17 tried to make espeak Jun 01 09:01:25 doesn't know make Jun 01 09:01:34 apt-get install make tells me: Jun 01 09:01:44 Package make is not available, but is referred to by another package. Jun 01 09:03:50 maybe i got rid of too much... just re-flashed it to orig-state Jun 01 09:04:34 my n800lite command so far: Jun 01 09:04:48 apt-get -y --force-yes remove $(echo $(dpkg --get-selections *chess* *mahjo* *block* *marbl* *brows* *email* *voip-* *rss-f* *age-v* *agevi* *iapla* *filem* *dress* *al-se* *clock* *lcula* *isear* *vitat* *et-ra* *teach* osso-he* | cut -f1)) Jun 01 09:05:23 du1: The default image has no support for compiling your own things. That is what the SDK is for. Jun 01 09:06:00 so i have to compile in the sbox and then carry the binary over to the n800 ?? Jun 01 09:06:18 because i already compiled it in the sbox - where it worked as espected Jun 01 09:06:24 That is the recommended way.. Jun 01 09:06:43 than reflashing was for nothing - doh Jun 01 09:07:08 Make sure you compile the binary for ARM though.. Jun 01 09:07:27 can i use the real n800 processor for compiling (my armel-target in the sbox must use a emulated arm - does it???) Jun 01 09:07:44 bcause my pc got an x86 chip Jun 01 09:08:54 or does the emulated arm work 100%?? Jun 01 09:09:39 please excuse my n00bish questions Jun 01 09:09:41 You can just crosscompile on x86 for arm.. Jun 01 09:10:47 so i can use my armel-target inside the sbox and compile 'native' ?? Jun 01 09:11:51 du1: Just check your binary with 'file' to see if it worked ;) Jun 01 09:12:38 [sbox-SDK_ARMEL: ~/espeak-1.25-source/src] > file speak Jun 01 09:12:38 speak: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.4.17, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), not stripped Jun 01 09:12:53 For just compiling you don't need the emulation. If the build system of the project tries to run the compiled binaries however, you will need emulation (qemu) or remote execution (sbrsh). Jun 01 09:13:16 ok Jun 01 09:13:28 this is the case for what for example?? Jun 01 09:14:21 For example anything using gtk-doc Jun 01 09:14:39 ok Jun 01 09:14:41 thx Jun 01 09:14:43 off current discussion topic: do i see that right? : i can only manually-update the repository's in the application manager when taken the red pill??? Jun 01 09:14:44 It compiles a scanner and executes that Jun 01 09:14:49 y Jun 01 09:15:49 du1, you can update with blue pill too Jun 01 09:16:28 when in red pill i have a green update symbol in the lower right corner Jun 01 09:17:55 du1, it's in the menu in blue pill mode Jun 01 09:20:49 XFade_; seems to work with the scratchboxbinary - thanks Jun 01 09:28:41 du1: Nice ;) Jun 01 10:51:35 hmm I wonder why gst_element_seek_simple jusst hangs.. the stream should be seekable. Jun 01 10:55:10 mikkoh: try gst debugging options? Jun 01 10:55:55 Just run your app with --gst-debug-level=2 or 3? Jun 01 10:56:21 is stage.maemo.org down? cannot checkout sources Jun 01 10:56:35 works fine on scrachbox, hangs on hw Jun 01 10:57:00 how do i install debug libs to n800? Jun 01 10:57:32 with apt-get. There are -dbg packages in the repository.. Jun 01 10:58:00 hmm how did i miss those.. well thanks :) Jun 01 11:02:03 aaarghh stage.maemo.org :'( Jun 01 11:02:33 hehe back up and running Jun 01 11:31:12 X-Fade_: which repository? cannot find -dbg of tools, plugins base nor libgstreame in repository.maemo.org Jun 01 11:44:53 hmm, when I run my program on hw it gives a warning "invalid cast from ConIcStatisticsEvent to ConIcEvent." after con_ic_connection_statistics call. That doesn't appear on matchbox. The callback functions should be okay, can't understand what's wrong Jun 01 11:45:21 mikkoh: hmm weid, I can find them for plugins-good, but not for base. Jun 01 11:45:59 hey! Jun 01 11:46:27 i installed maemo 3.1 and installed the armel dev rootstrap Jun 01 11:46:37 now i wanted to compile the gtk hello world example Jun 01 11:47:14 it doesnt work, and i can not install the libgtk2.0-dev Jun 01 11:47:56 because it can not install the pkg-config package. are there sources i have to add so it can find the package? Jun 01 11:52:14 cute, i don't have pkg-config either in my sardine reference Jun 01 11:52:17 * timeless sighs Jun 01 11:54:28 i actually have the pkg-config program, but the package is not available Jun 01 11:55:11 well, i only have sources for packages, and i don't have any package by that name Jun 01 11:55:26 scratchbox provides pkg-config Jun 01 11:55:26 even though virtually all the packages depend on that package explicitly Jun 01 11:55:38 dpb: too bad i'm not using scratchbox :) Jun 01 11:55:45 how do i get the gtk+ and other header files Jun 01 11:56:02 timeless: ;) Jun 01 11:56:21 dpb: you can see the sardine entry near the bottom of my computer's root page Jun 01 11:56:49 gtk+2.0-2.10.12/ Jun 01 11:56:52 is available in sardine Jun 01 11:56:57 i clearly used apt-get source Jun 01 11:57:08 not sure how you'd want to do it Jun 01 11:57:21 what is *hosting* your maemo3.1 thingy? Jun 01 11:57:26 are you running it on an n800? Jun 01 11:57:27 a working apt-get would be cool :-( Jun 01 11:57:49 deb http://repository.maemo.org/sardine unstable main non-free Jun 01 11:57:49 deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/sardine unstable main non-free Jun 01 11:57:51 ubuntu edgy, want to compile for n800 Jun 01 11:58:02 its a 3.1 bora rootstrap Jun 01 11:58:08 and you're using scratchbox? Jun 01 11:58:26 which version of scratchbox and did you tell it you wanted the debian devkit? Jun 01 11:59:00 libgtk2.0-0 2:2.10.12-0osso3 Jun 01 11:59:03 * timeless ponders Jun 01 11:59:04 i used the install script from the hp. debian dev kit is installed Jun 01 11:59:38 oh the package is installed, you are right Jun 01 11:59:49 but still pkg-config complains it can not handle it Jun 01 12:00:03 [sbox-x86: ~] > dpkg -l pkg-config Jun 01 12:00:03 Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold Jun 01 12:00:03 | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed Jun 01 12:00:03 |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) Jun 01 12:00:03 ||/ Name Version Description Jun 01 12:00:03 +++-==============-==============-============================================ Jun 01 12:00:05 ii pkg-config 0.17.2-1 manage compile and link flags for libraries Jun 01 12:01:01 should we use nopaste? Jun 01 12:01:06 ||/ Name Version Description Jun 01 12:01:06 +++-========================-========================-================================================================ Jun 01 12:01:09 pn libgtk2.0-dev (no description available) Jun 01 12:01:44 apt-get install libgtk2.0-dev ? Jun 01 12:03:02 thats what happens Jun 01 12:03:04 : http://rafb.net/p/SSSXC574.txt Jun 01 12:03:40 Interesting: http://jkkmobile.blogspot.com/2007/05/nokia-adding-keyboard-to-tablet.html - wonder if it's the E93 (?) or an Internet Tablet Jun 01 12:05:10 what does the output for dpkg -l pkg-config say? (just the one line) Jun 01 12:05:29 pn pkg-config (no description available) Jun 01 12:05:51 thanks for the support, i really need to compile something for the n800 these days Jun 01 12:06:49 you definitely want ii for pkg-config :) Jun 01 12:06:55 no idea what magic it takes to get that :) Jun 01 12:07:18 can i see your source.lst ? Jun 01 12:07:53 my sources.list didn'dt manage to get pkg-config as i said earlier :) Jun 01 12:08:24 * timeless goes to find an sdk critter Jun 01 12:08:28 http://rafb.net/p/qQ5Kd825.txt Jun 01 12:09:15 hmm, are you sure, what does which pkg-config say? Jun 01 12:10:07 timeless: i see you are running a x86 box Jun 01 12:10:32 perhaps i did not mention: i have no such problem with the x86 box, but with the arm Jun 01 12:14:31 i could build gtk from source - but i think that problem-boomerang will hit me again later Jun 01 12:22:10 hello Jun 01 12:22:41 could someone help me a bit? Jun 01 12:24:06 if you come into a irc channnel rule no. 1 dont ask to ask. just ask Jun 01 12:24:40 i've been to a number of irc channels where nobody responds, #ubuntu for example Jun 01 12:24:41 yeah, we have no idea if we can help you or not if we don't know the question. Jun 01 12:25:05 rule #2, don't expect answers quickly Jun 01 12:25:29 I usually expect a reaction in 5-6 hours Jun 01 12:25:31 anyway Jun 01 12:25:43 is there something wrong with the maemo tutorials? Jun 01 12:26:00 I can't see any of the source code and some links to pictures seem to be broken Jun 01 12:26:44 Yeah, they're fixing it Jun 01 12:27:01 <`0660> haven't they been fixing it for the last two months or so? :) Jun 01 12:27:01 Try this one: http://test.maemo.org Jun 01 12:28:33 what's that? Jun 01 12:29:31 * grumpy if anyone knows how to get gtk headers into 3.1 arm rootstrap for simply building the gtk hello world, just tell :-) Jun 01 12:30:43 wow, test.maemo.org seems to work properly Jun 01 12:31:40 I've got pretty far by just viewing the source code and deducing the correct paths to the pictures but that's pretty bothersome Jun 01 12:32:57 so what's the difference between test.maemo.org and the official page? Except that the former is updated Jun 01 12:33:15 test.maemo.org is the old page Jun 01 12:33:26 so it's broken in different ways :D Jun 01 12:33:34 gnn Jun 01 12:34:15 well, at least the tutorial works Jun 01 12:35:46 ill start a maemo gentoo fork, who joins me :-) Jun 01 12:39:18 what you mean by maemo gentoo? i mean do you want to compile your packages with emerge on the n800? phauhauha Jun 01 12:41:14 gentoos sandbox should support cross-compiling Jun 01 12:42:03 grumpy, heh ;) and so? Jun 01 12:46:36 only kidding, never midn Jun 01 12:48:34 a gentoo devkit for scratchbox is always welcome :) Jun 01 12:48:45 hi, sunrise layman already support scratchbox on gentoo :-) Jun 01 12:59:55 grumpy: search for gentoo scratchbox in google Jun 01 13:00:03 you'll get straight to my page :) Jun 01 13:09:43 wow, i managed to compile the gtk arm hello world Jun 01 13:10:00 i found the holy grale install.txt Jun 01 13:10:06 does anybody know what do error messages like "Could not init font path element /usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi" mean? Jun 01 13:10:19 grumpy: what was wrong? Jun 01 13:10:22 there's no such directory on my computer Jun 01 13:10:29 probably that there's no such directory, or it doesn't have a fonts.dir in it Jun 01 13:10:32 <`0660> you probably don't have any 100dpi fonts Jun 01 13:10:34 a harmless warning message Jun 01 13:10:37 feel free to ignore it Jun 01 13:10:45 <`0660> yeah Jun 01 13:10:49 I have the fonts, it's just searching for them in the wrong place Jun 01 13:11:05 but where could that kind of search paths be defined? Jun 01 13:11:15 /etc/X11/xorg.conf Jun 01 13:11:24 only nobody uses server-side fonts anymore Jun 01 13:11:28 I have the correct paths there Jun 01 13:11:47 they read /usr/share/X11/fonts/jadajada Jun 01 13:13:23 i started the hildon framework, the rootstrap was maemo-sdk-rootstrap_3.1_armel.tgz. it looks like n770 not like n800. this is normal right? Jun 01 13:18:26 is there something in common between XF86Config and xorg.conf? Jun 01 13:21:31 Mikho: yes, basicly the same file, just for different X servers. XF86Config is for XFree86 and xorg.conf is for the X.org X server. Jun 01 13:22:02 i see. So, if a help page tells me to exit XF86blah I edit xorg.conf instead Jun 01 13:24:09 what was the key combination to shut down X? Jun 01 13:25:08 ctrl-alt-backspace Jun 01 13:25:34 the help file you're reading is very outdated, if it still talks about XF86 Jun 01 13:25:40 nobody uses XFree86 anymore Jun 01 13:25:54 ok, thanks Jun 01 13:26:24 nah, I'm just trying to get rid of the warning messages Jun 01 13:27:02 can't figure out where it gets the false font paths. paths in xorg.conf are correct Jun 01 13:27:12 hm Jun 01 13:27:24 oh, I get the warnings when starting xephyr Jun 01 13:27:28 ah Jun 01 13:27:38 it probably uses some different config file Jun 01 13:27:46 and that's the default path Jun 01 13:28:01 yuck, Xephyr doesn't have a man page! Jun 01 13:28:44 you can specify the default font path on the command line (Xephyr -fp ...) Jun 01 13:30:04 I see Jun 01 13:30:54 I guess the fonts installed to scratchbox are different from the ones in the host machine Jun 01 13:31:59 are there any fonts inside scratchbox? Jun 01 13:32:06 besides, you run Xephyr on the outside Jun 01 13:32:33 (it makes perfects sense to have fonts inside scratchbox, when I think about it -- client-side TTF fonts) Jun 01 13:34:16 there seem to be fonts inside scratchbox as well Jun 01 13:34:32 but which fonts is it searching for? Jun 01 13:37:51 does -fp .../path/to/sbox/target/usr/share/fonts help? Jun 01 13:43:52 hm, the directory exists but has only few font files Jun 01 13:47:23 "Could not init font path element /scratchbox/users/mipoloja/targets/SDK-PC/usr/share/fonts, removing from list!" Jun 01 13:48:57 oh, I needed to tell every font separately. Just entering the fonts directory is not enough Jun 01 13:55:23 put them in ~/.fonts Jun 01 13:55:28 to easily use them Jun 01 14:11:32 what are gst-launch-0.10 params for resolve flip on webcam? Jun 01 14:22:40 What is the best way to access an SMB share from my n800? Jun 01 14:28:41 hrm Jun 01 14:28:55 is the n800 kernel dynamically or statically linked? :) Jun 01 14:29:57 linked against what? Jun 01 14:31:51 he probably means 'ld' Jun 01 14:32:08 who knows :) Jun 01 14:33:52 so you think building a new kernel is the only way? Whatever happened to that gnomevfs thing? Does anyone have it working on an n800? Every time I've tried it doesn't work. Jun 01 14:34:28 I'm thinking about patching my kernel for sdhc and buying a 4gb card, so I guess adding smbfs support wouldn't be all that hard after that. Jun 01 14:35:59 dunno to be honest Jun 01 14:36:08 <`0660> why not just get 4gb card that doesn't need sdhc? Jun 01 14:36:09 trevarthan: it's called osso-gnome-vfs and it's already on the device Jun 01 14:36:21 i think that one answer would be whether kernel modules are dynamically loaded or statically linked Jun 01 14:36:24 <`0660> i have one and it workd great Jun 01 14:38:17 the n800 kernel supports loadable modules Jun 01 14:47:27 are there screensavers for the tablet Jun 01 14:48:21 guardian: you feel the battery lasts too long? Jun 01 14:50:37 suihkulo1ki: that's exactly what i answered but i was requested to forward the question :D Jun 01 14:50:53 suihkulo1ki: so.... I can just use smb:// in the file manager by default or something? I'm not around an smb network right now so I can't test.... Jun 01 15:07:27 another question, the laika eclipse plugin contains standard templates. the help text talks about "Maemo applications require you to run them in standalone mode." What does this mean? Jun 01 15:09:58 grumpy: My guess is that they would be started with the run-standalonex??.sh script not started from the maemo-af-desktop Jun 01 15:10:25 ok, found the run-standalone.sh script Jun 01 15:10:28 thanks Jun 01 15:10:57 np Jun 01 15:25:47 hi any idea on how to flip the camera on gstreamer? Jun 01 15:28:29 I think you need to use gconfv4l2src as source . I don't know why :p Jun 01 15:28:49 videoflip plugin isn't included on gst-plugins-good ... and so i don't known how can i do it Jun 01 15:29:28 keesj, I already use gconfv4l2src on gst-launch on sardine but no way Jun 01 15:29:53 I mean v4l2src is the same Jun 01 15:30:24 no fliping when i rotate Jun 01 15:31:16 here is a examoke in python . http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/howto_camera_api_bora.html Jun 01 15:32:49 I have not tried this. Jun 01 15:34:35 well, i have, but is exact the same, when you rotate the camera the image does not flip Jun 01 15:34:46 is a problem affecting many people Jun 01 15:34:54 take a look here: Jun 01 15:35:17 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4351 Jun 01 15:37:17 geaaru, did you find something? Jun 01 15:37:39 no nothing yet :( Jun 01 15:41:01 pna: Maybe you can ask the author of the camera app? It's not open source, but maybe he can still help you? Jun 01 15:43:02 X-Fade_, thank you do you know his name? are you speaking about the Camera software, i mean that one on https://garage.maemo.org/projects/camera/ ? Jun 01 15:43:29 pna: Yeah, that is your best bet. Jun 01 15:43:44 heya ... I've got packages for n800, they download and install in ai ... but i can;t see the installed apps. any idea if i need to put something special in my section field? Jun 01 15:45:35 pna: It is too bad that they didn't opensource it. I really don't understand why the insist on doing that. Jun 01 15:46:02 X-Fade_, yep and it also a weaky sw, ;) Jun 01 15:48:20 Maintainer: internet-tablet-addons@nokia.com Jun 01 15:48:36 maybe, because there is a particular kernel command (or other) for manage flip that use a not public library Jun 01 15:48:39 It is really unfortunate that there seem to be 2 Nokia teams. The opensource one and the closed source + lawyers one.. ;) Jun 01 15:48:49 imho no one will answer me, but i'll try Jun 01 15:49:02 pna: Just ask on the developers list.. Jun 01 15:49:16 k Jun 01 15:49:27 Or file a bug against the documentation :) Jun 01 15:49:44 That the camera api is not complete.. Jun 01 15:51:30 k i'll try with the ml Jun 01 16:05:36 this kernel variable /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/cam_act/state Jun 01 16:06:04 give information of camera state so can be flip image in software Jun 01 19:12:51 Anyone know of a tool I might use to inject album art into my MP3s for use in Canola? Jun 01 19:13:26 nm. they've got their own channel. sorry. Jun 01 19:13:41 <`0660> i didn't know it was possible to inject pictures in mp3 files Jun 01 19:14:09 trevarthan: any id3 tag tool Jun 01 19:14:30 trevarthan: or just place a cover.jpg on same folder as your mp3 Jun 01 19:16:17 `0660: id3 supports covers Jun 01 19:16:51 <`0660> cool :) Jun 01 19:18:36 k-s[WORK]: ok. cover.jpg works. I thought it wouldn't because of this bug report: https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=223&group_id=125&atid=532 Jun 01 19:20:00 trevarthan: btw, names are configurable in gconf, if you need it Jun 01 19:21:14 trevarthan: about that bug, we just don't fetch the covers, but it will be done... eventually :- Jun 01 19:24:08 k-s[WORK]: what file formats does canola support? I've got mp3 working, but wma and m4a don't seem to work. Jun 01 19:25:08 trevarthan: you can register other formats in gconf, both the mime-type (for remote media) and extension (local media) Jun 01 19:25:56 trevarthan: so far, just mp3 is handled fine, others we don't try to parse any tag, we just handle the URL to Osso Media Player (maemo's default player) Jun 01 19:43:28 k-s[WORK]: I'm looking in gconf editor for mime types and extensions, but I don't see them. Where do I need to add what? Jun 01 19:44:32 oh, nm. find to the rescue. /apps/canola Jun 01 20:03:03 Wow, I couldn't disagree more. I love being able to click those menu items directly. This should be configurable from the web UI at least, IMO. https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=459&group_id=125&atid=529 Jun 01 20:03:22 trevarthan: gconf ;-) Jun 01 20:03:36 trevarthan: but it sucks, believe me Jun 01 20:05:46 I'm using it. I love it. Jun 01 20:06:11 It's intuitive when using a click interface like the n800. Jun 01 20:06:57 trevarthan: I still think it lacks feedback Jun 01 20:13:18 Honestly, after having used an ipod for a while, I'd prefer a scroll wheel. I don't see why that couldn't be implemented using a touch screen. Jun 01 20:15:38 In addition, I think it would be nice to implement support for FM radio. When I use my n800 in the car I plug it into my tape deck for playback. (can you believe they still make cars with tape players? ) So I can use the radio in the n800 instead of the car radio. And if the n800 supported time shifting then that would be sweet. Jun 01 20:16:25 trevarthan: There _is_ an FM radio app for the N800. Jun 01 20:27:30 do you guys find the n800 touchscreen a bit unresponsive? Jun 01 20:33:07 fbdev Jun 01 20:33:13 or device /dev/fb Jun 01 20:33:14 trevarthan: there is fm radio support for n800 Jun 01 20:33:17 frambuffer? Jun 01 20:33:31 now does the 770 or n800 have framebuffer support Jun 01 20:35:28 with basiliskII running it in window mode works nice up to 1024x768 Jun 01 20:35:43 but in fullscreen mode, the screen is black. Jun 01 20:36:40 dga// Jun 01 20:36:40 [if Basilisk II was configured with --enable-xf86-dga] Jun 01 20:36:40 Full-screen display using the XFree86 DGA extension. The color depth Jun 01 20:36:56 (8/15/24 bit) depends on the depth of the underlying X11 screen. Jun 01 20:36:56 "width" and "height" specify the maximum width/height to use. Jun 01 20:36:56 Saying "dga/0/0" means "complete screen". Jun 01 20:36:56 dga/ Jun 01 20:52:59 unique Jun 01 20:53:06 where'd you put the new compiles? Jun 01 22:44:36 http://turrican.renoise.com/pulsar/pics/feedblender.png - mono and n800? pure fun untill now. Jun 01 23:24:43 what's the best way to access smb from maemo? Jun 01 23:28:30 there is a kernel module available Jun 01 23:28:43 which enables the cifs filesystem. Jun 01 23:28:49 you can use mount then Jun 01 23:29:54 http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowToAccessWindowsCIFS Jun 01 23:29:56 there you go Jun 01 23:31:03 that does actually work quite well, i don't know why i was suprised...but i was Jun 01 23:31:59 yep, does a better job than all that upnp stuff Jun 01 23:32:26 nothing gui based? i was hoping to just transfer some mp3s. Jun 01 23:32:46 trevarthan: use the usb cable then. Jun 01 23:33:30 it it does not matter if you push or poll, you can use scp on your windows(?) box. Jun 01 23:33:34 i recommend winscp Jun 01 23:33:47 you need to install an ssh server on your nokia though Jun 01 23:33:54 hmmm. not a bad idea. i keep forgetting about that. thanks! Jun 01 23:34:20 i've got one. Jun 01 23:34:52 i just don't like sftp much. Jun 01 23:35:42 well, i am sure you can get an ftp server up and running on your nokia. last time i checked pureftpd was pretty nice and compact. Jun 01 23:36:26 at least the transfer speed should be better when using ftp instead of sftp. Jun 01 23:36:54 did not any benchmarks, but i presume that ssh encryption might lower your transferspeed due to limited cpu resources on the nokia Jun 01 23:38:37 let me know if you need it really bad, i could give it a try in the scratchbox if it compiles and works out of the box. Jun 01 23:54:59 i've got a working sdk too. trying to compile perl currently. Jun 01 23:55:47 anything particular you need perl for? Jun 01 23:56:10 pain Jun 01 23:56:30 :D Jun 02 00:02:03 yeah, i need libperl.a (armel) so i can build irssi with perl support. Jun 02 00:02:17 ic Jun 02 00:02:48 sdk only comes with x86 libperl, afaik. Jun 02 00:02:53 i did not miss perl support in irssi for years :) Jun 02 00:03:21 perl is available in some maemo 2.X release, if i remember correctly Jun 02 00:03:26 need it so i can do custom beep notification. Jun 02 00:03:48