**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jun 04 02:59:56 2007 Jun 04 03:07:34 @myren somebody posted at ITT ben able to get it working Jun 04 03:53:15 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P39b7v1wzfg Jun 04 03:53:17 classic Jun 04 03:54:56 holy shit....that all made sense to me when i was a kid.... Jun 04 04:00:38 ultimate warrior Jun 04 04:00:54 hehehehe Jun 04 04:10:42 that dude was nutz Jun 04 04:10:53 but was entertaining Jun 04 04:13:01 lol Jun 04 04:13:03 no shit Jun 04 04:14:40 going to idle for a bit Jun 04 04:14:45 cool Jun 04 06:20:15 * cesman is away: Gone away for now. Jun 04 06:45:55 Morning! Jun 04 07:01:32 hi Jun 04 07:07:29 now how does that ultimate warrior stuff differ from wwf nowadays? Jun 04 07:08:30 people on the video tell over and over again that they don't understand what he's saying Jun 04 07:25:31 hello Jun 04 07:25:46 is it possible to run gentoo linix on such a device? Jun 04 07:26:34 I think you don't want to compile everything with such a slow processor... ;P Jun 04 07:26:47 yes,i want Jun 04 07:27:17 i have compiled gentoo,kde and openoffice on a 233mhz pentium-2 Jun 04 07:27:38 how much ram does that thing have? Jun 04 07:27:52 not enough :D Jun 04 07:27:58 770 has 64 MB and N800 128 MB Jun 04 07:28:11 128mb could be ok for kde Jun 04 07:28:27 lubomir: what kind of gui would you like with that? Jun 04 07:28:31 can the ram been changed? Jun 04 07:28:48 normal kde (emerge kde) ;-) Jun 04 07:28:57 hi Jun 04 07:29:00 lubo, not easily at least Jun 04 07:29:15 and beryl would also be fine Jun 04 07:29:15 I am kind of interrester perhaps ask on #gentoo-embedded ? Jun 04 07:29:40 fine && slow :p Jun 04 07:29:56 lubomir: i think that it isn't possible upgrade ram of n800 Jun 04 07:29:56 lubo, beryl with no hw 3D acceleration == fun Jun 04 07:30:49 I was thinking the things lacking on the device where a better browser, or some of the usability quirks Jun 04 07:30:52 lubomir: if gentoo does not work out please also checkout openembedded , it' has the same spirit as gentoo Jun 04 07:31:22 but apparently it's the lack of emerge that is keeping the endusers away Jun 04 07:31:23 suihkulo1ki: yes, but are thera realy alternatives for opera? Jun 04 07:33:00 suihkulo1ki: do you mean the lack of being able to build your own distro and package from source ? Jun 04 07:33:06 what kind of bluetooth have the N800 build in? Jun 04 07:33:11 2.0 + EDR? Jun 04 07:33:32 k-way: no, I'm just sarcastic Jun 04 07:34:26 I was afraid you where. Jun 04 07:34:56 what kind of tools does mamo use to create all the packages and releases? Jun 04 07:35:25 dpkg Jun 04 07:42:43 does anybody know how to enable the man command in scratchbox? Jun 04 07:44:16 you'd need to build it for it. it's just easier to use man outside of scratchbox though.. Jun 04 07:44:45 melmoth so dpkg can build a full distro? Jun 04 07:45:07 maemo package don't have man pages included anyway, so getting the man command there has really no point in it.. Jun 04 07:45:12 packages* Jun 04 07:48:46 k-way: i dont know how they build the image in itself...but it s a debian, so they use the whole debian toolkit Jun 04 07:50:48 ok Jun 04 07:50:53 then I won't bother Jun 04 07:52:10 dpb, _most_ maemo packages don't have Jun 04 07:53:17 some do? :o Jun 04 07:54:21 its alive..... Jun 04 07:54:42 k, best piece of software for me so far...has to be motion..... Jun 04 07:55:31 i was also able to stream live video....and watch via my notebook, wtf took place in the house when i was out... Jun 04 07:55:46 not much takes place when the house is empty...heh Jun 04 08:03:44 hi, there is a jre plugin for opera o minimo that works with N800? Jun 04 08:04:16 not yet.... Jun 04 08:04:30 java is being worked on.... Jun 04 08:04:41 tis what i am waiting on.... Jun 04 08:05:01 thank for reply Jun 04 08:05:46 np Jun 04 08:05:58 i get paid to do so,,,, Jun 04 08:07:09 :) but there is already a website for project or we are at pre-pre-pre-alpha Jun 04 08:07:12 morning maemo Jun 04 08:16:38 geaaru Jun 04 08:16:43 i'll get ya some links Jun 04 08:18:24 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6153&highlight=java Jun 04 08:19:12 http://www.pikesoft.com/blog/index.php?itemid=178 Jun 04 08:19:44 http://wiki.java.net/bin/view/Mobileandembedded/PhoneMEAdvancedPlatformsNokia800 Jun 04 08:19:54 ;) thanks i see Jun 04 08:23:44 i known link of PhoneMEAdvanced... but is for a jvm on system not jre for browser. I installed it. Jun 04 08:23:47 http://www.jalimo.org/wiki/doku.php Jun 04 08:36:05 is there a command that can help me detecting if the toolchain is arm or armel Jun 04 08:36:38 i would like to use this as part of a makefile, to put my binaries in bin/i386 or bin/arm or bin/armel depending on which target i compile for: x86,n770,n800 Jun 04 08:36:57 dpkg-architecture, gcc -dumpmachine Jun 04 08:39:27 many thx suihkulo1ki Jun 04 08:42:41 i always used uname -m before Jun 04 09:00:17 hi out there Jun 04 09:00:50 does anyone know where the n0.8k stores the display-brightness and volume... Jun 04 09:01:11 on the kaleo it's in /proc/acpi/dtr_bright/lcd Jun 04 09:01:15 for example Jun 04 09:37:10 ok, now it seems xephyr magically stopped working all of a sudden Jun 04 09:37:53 AUDIT: Mon Jun 4 12:33:09 2007: 8833 Xephyr: client 1 rejected from IP 127.0.0.1 port 33 Jun 04 09:38:17 that comes from the host machine where I ran start-xephyr.sh Jun 04 09:39:00 the error comes when I try af-sb-init.sh start in scratchbox Jun 04 09:39:24 Xlib: connection to "127.0.0.1:2.0" refused by server Jun 04 09:39:30 Xlib: No protocol specified Jun 04 09:47:47 And your start-xephyr passes -ac argument to Xephyr? Jun 04 09:48:57 yes Jun 04 09:55:54 actually it wasnt. When I pico:ed the start-xephyr.sh script earlier, the $ character at the end of a line wasn't a word wrap marker, it was a regular $ Jun 04 09:56:01 now it gives a different error message Jun 04 09:56:55 now it also prints "Auth name: MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 ID:-1" on the server side and Jun 04 09:57:24 bleh gtype system :( Jun 04 09:57:26 "Xlib: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key" on the scratchbox side Jun 04 09:57:38 wanted to use a widget that i already coded as part of a GTypeModule Jun 04 09:57:51 needs to copy/paste the code because of the weird type registration stuff Jun 04 09:59:13 how do I define the key on the scratchbox side? Jun 04 09:59:35 xauth add should be the proper command on the xephyr server side but... Jun 04 10:00:02 with -ac you shouldn't need such auth stuff Jun 04 10:00:16 ... another prob: is there a file where i can adjust the display brightness or do i have to send a dsme-msg??? where are the dsme-msgs defined?! HELP!! Jun 04 10:01:56 du1, gconf key /system/osso/dsm/display/display_brightness Jun 04 10:03:39 inz: and where is that gconf file ?? Jun 04 10:03:57 find / -name *gconf* | wc -l Jun 04 10:03:58 214 Jun 04 10:04:19 sorry for my noobish questions Jun 04 10:04:36 use gconftool-2 to read and set entry Jun 04 10:05:12 ok... got a bit forward Jun 04 10:05:45 now the xephyr screen flashed for 0.1 seconds the screen I wanted to see, and again gave a whole new error message Jun 04 10:06:13 time for lunch Jun 04 10:06:18 du1 http://developer.imendio.com/publications/introduction_gconf_gnomevfs Jun 04 10:06:32 melmoth: thx Jun 04 10:07:50 by example 'gconftool-2 -R /apps/osso' Jun 04 10:08:02 will give you the gconf settings for all stuff under /apps/osso Jun 04 10:08:24 there is also a way to set a key, or have the value of a single key, but i m not that fluent to know how to on top of my head Jun 04 10:10:00 thx for the first... it seems easy... Jun 04 10:28:57 hi Jun 04 10:29:30 can you suggest me a lighter editor for maemo? vim takes about 10mb on my n770, it's too much for that! :( Jun 04 10:31:19 emacs? Jun 04 10:31:23 Andy, the busybox vi? Jun 04 10:32:08 inz: vi ? but... does it have the same "key-mapping" like vim or another one? Jun 04 10:32:11 I explain better.... Jun 04 10:32:45 sometimes if I only use "vi" I've that bad key mapping that it's not very intuitive... I cannot use arrows to move in the text eccc... Jun 04 10:33:27 the N800 vi is remarkably usable even just with the onscreen kb Jun 04 10:34:04 Andy, I think arrow keys work in the busybox vi, if you're not in "insert" mode Jun 04 10:36:53 inz: yes, you're right... and... where is the "Esc" key? I need it to leave the "insert" mode usually... Jun 04 10:37:15 "Esc" key is on left pad Jun 04 10:39:40 thank you so much :) Jun 04 10:40:09 np Jun 04 10:40:50 another quick question... I tried to contact the manteiner too, but no reply... I see that xchat 2.8.2 is available for maemo, but only for os2007. Where can I find the package for os2006 too? I tried to install the os2007 version but it refuses to install... Jun 04 10:41:46 skyhusker's xchat? Jun 04 10:42:05 yes Jun 04 10:42:48 inz: at the moment, on my n770, I'm using 2.6.2 release... but it's not "hildonized" Jun 04 10:44:33 Andy, skyhusker has 2.8.0 for gregale Jun 04 10:45:06 Andy, http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/maemo/pool/gregale/ Jun 04 10:47:07 thanks... I'll install it! Jun 04 10:50:24 I think he should include it on the garage... Jun 04 10:50:54 the "one click" installation, only gets the mistral version Jun 04 10:52:47 test... Jun 04 10:53:37 uhm... it doesn't support the fullscreen yet... Jun 04 10:58:49 it seems I get different error messages every time i try to af-sb-init.sh Jun 04 10:59:26 this time it's "hildon-input-method[13408]: GLIB WARNING ** default - Could not initialize osso from hildon-input-method Jun 04 11:00:00 and "hildon-input-method[13408]: GLIB WARNING ** Could not register the osso_hw_set_event_cb" Jun 04 11:03:45 oh, there's more: "Starting Maemo Launcher: maemo-launcher start failed" Jun 04 11:04:46 but no explanation why it failed Jun 04 11:07:56 on a different try maemo-launcher complained about not being able to "rise the oom shield" Jun 04 11:08:47 You can ignore that one Jun 04 11:11:20 but anyway I'm unable to get even the brief flash of the UI on xephyr screen Jun 04 11:13:17 the libosso initialisation probs sound like dysfunctional dbus Jun 04 11:15:17 *sigh* Jun 04 11:15:24 next problem: Jun 04 11:15:45 The program 'maemo_af_desktop' received an X Window System error. Jun 04 11:15:54 This probably reflects a bug in the program Jun 04 11:16:05 The error was 'BadMatch'. Jun 04 11:16:33 (Details: serial 520 error_code 8 request_code 56 minor_code 0) Jun 04 11:29:33 you better reinstall the whole stuff Jun 04 11:31:08 it leaves all kinds of daemons running on the background Jun 04 11:31:19 and it gives different error messages all the time Jun 04 11:31:24 this is highly annoying Jun 04 11:38:38 indeed sometimes when af-sb-init.sh fails it leaves daemons running Jun 04 11:38:47 you need to do af-sb-init.sh stop Jun 04 11:39:05 and make sure you kill all running stuff in scratchbox (you can do that from sb-menu) Jun 04 11:39:43 then check your xephyr options Jun 04 11:40:13 i use Xephyr :2 -host-cursor -screen 800x480x16 -dpi 96 -ac Jun 04 11:40:25 yes, the same as in the tutorial Jun 04 11:40:50 probably Jun 04 11:41:58 finally got it to work! Jun 04 11:42:30 had to do af-sb-init.sh stop AND remove the font path I added the last time to get rid of some warnings Jun 04 11:44:00 better ignore the warnings next time or I might be in trouble Jun 04 11:45:28 don't fix what's not broken :) Jun 04 12:14:25 does the n800 support 2gb SD's?? Jun 04 12:16:51 yes Jun 04 12:25:50 i get a 'Memory card corrupted or unformatted' Jun 04 12:26:00 it is brand new - so maybe unformatted Jun 04 12:26:08 can i format it on the n800?? Jun 04 12:30:23 does somebody know where to attatch scripts wich should be ran when a mmc gets attatched ?? (maybe udevd is involved??) Jun 04 12:37:25 hi back adoyle Jun 04 12:52:17 why isn't fmradio-software shipped with the n800, when the hardware is built in??? Jun 04 12:54:01 why does the kernel have binary only modules? Jun 04 12:54:26 <`0660> why the earth is not flat? Jun 04 12:54:42 ok, ok Jun 04 12:54:43 why doesn't the n800 have a video output to plug it to the tv Jun 04 12:55:03 hey guardian: this one would be really cool!! Jun 04 12:55:04 why is there no integrated sauna? Jun 04 12:55:06 why is bugzilla bugged ? Jun 04 12:55:14 ....lol Jun 04 12:55:21 i'm not kidding it is :) Jun 04 12:55:36 tv out would be good. tried the tvout on n95 the other day.. Jun 04 12:55:37 `0660: but the earth IS flat.. who's taught you otherwise? ;o Jun 04 12:55:37 advanced search form is fucked up on windows/firefox Jun 04 12:55:42 works on linux/firefox though Jun 04 12:56:34 flat earth - see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth Jun 04 12:56:54 woot, first time i try to access bugs.maemo.org from IE7 Jun 04 12:57:01 it says that the certificate expired or is not valid Jun 04 12:57:05 lol Jun 04 12:57:08 never saw this errror before Jun 04 12:57:10 on any site Jun 04 12:57:16 maybee some MITM is attacking you Jun 04 12:57:34 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_in_the_middle Jun 04 12:57:52 ssl certificates are evil. Jun 04 12:57:55 y Jun 04 12:58:03 Why can't everyone just be nice instead? Jun 04 12:58:05 yeah Jun 04 12:58:11 and i hoe the man in the middle gonna fix the bugs also Jun 04 12:58:15 thx you santa Jun 04 12:58:21 hope Jun 04 12:58:55 Once I'll get this 'peer' guy - and then I will reset HIS connection!!!!! Jun 04 12:59:10 I'm involved in ssl configuration for wap. Specific, a wap banking solution. The bank has a list of around 20 cell phones that has to work. Jun 04 12:59:28 I think it's pretty much impossbiel. Jun 04 12:59:30 impossible. Jun 04 12:59:45 to get everyone working through the same site, with the same certificate. Jun 04 12:59:48 w00t is impossible?? the mission? Jun 04 12:59:53 yah. Jun 04 13:00:04 Getting every cell phone to accept the same certificate. Jun 04 13:00:17 why should it be?? ACCEPT */* Jun 04 13:00:32 on a cell phone? good luck ;) Jun 04 13:00:41 it's the cell phone end that is the problem. Jun 04 13:00:48 would probably need detection of what phone is it asking to give the right to some? Jun 04 13:00:53 are it 20 different phones? Jun 04 13:00:58 dul: yes. Jun 04 13:01:03 doh.... Jun 04 13:01:06 20 different phone types. Jun 04 13:01:15 that one could get quite tricky... Jun 04 13:01:19 Veggen: i can imagine your pain ;) Jun 04 13:01:55 ...so tell 'em new hardware is needed - buy everyone an iphone - write your own firmware - *g* Jun 04 13:02:10 they'll be happy Jun 04 13:02:31 what makes you think writing your own firmware for iphone is simple Jun 04 13:02:46 i don't say it's simple Jun 04 13:02:56 i say it would solve all probs *g* Jun 04 13:02:58 telling couple of million banking users to buy a specific phone would be a failure too Jun 04 13:03:00 dul: The bank has a million customers. Jun 04 13:03:13 good luck ;) Jun 04 13:03:45 so how will you solve the prob? Jun 04 13:04:48 does anyone know where the 'startmenu' entries in the n800 are stored?? wanna add one for the fmradio Jun 04 13:23:52 hi ... i've got trouble connecting to repository.maemo.org from scratchbox, it tells me temporary failure resolving repository.maemo.org ... what's the reason for that? Jun 04 13:24:06 command i used was a simple apt-get update Jun 04 13:24:24 is your dns entry right? Jun 04 13:24:34 my dns entry? Jun 04 13:24:54 nslookup works in the console outside scratchbox, if you mean that;. Jun 04 13:25:24 dalibor: this is a big classic Jun 04 13:25:32 ?? Jun 04 13:25:39 now i'm interrested too Jun 04 13:25:49 good. then i'm looking formward to the classic answer :) Jun 04 13:25:53 everything is being looked at in /scratchbox/nsswitch.conf (from the machine hosting scratchbox) Jun 04 13:26:00 be sure there is no mdsn entry for host Jun 04 13:26:44 sorry its /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf Jun 04 13:26:50 hosts: files dns ? Jun 04 13:26:54 yep Jun 04 13:26:59 file dns that should work Jun 04 13:27:04 file mdns that should not work Jun 04 13:27:11 no mdns entry there. Jun 04 13:27:24 then, double check resolv.conf as well (must point), well anything that is related to name resolving Jun 04 13:27:49 but the trick is, not to dot in on /etc/nsswitch.conf in scratchbox, but in /scratchbox/etc/* from the hosts Jun 04 13:29:02 by example, i once had an entry in /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf because i was using a vpnc client when i used scratcbox. Jun 04 13:29:14 i jad no name resolution for monthees untill i understood this was the file to change Jun 04 13:29:31 hmm ... weird. the /ets/resolv.conf and /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf differ. Jun 04 13:31:40 yeah, copying /etc/resolv.conf to /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf fixed it, thanks. Jun 04 13:33:20 you'r welcome :) Jun 04 13:41:49 are the mistral repositories still available? Jun 04 13:42:55 ok ... now ... how do i get the debian stuff from inside scratchbox? Jun 04 13:43:14 ah, ... i don't. Jun 04 13:43:17 it's there. Jun 04 13:54:49 ok ... onto the next. Jun 04 14:03:26 im having dependencie issues i cant seem to correct: "maemo-browser-controls: Depends: libdbus-gl" Jun 04 14:03:33 libdbus-gl doesnt seem to exist Jun 04 14:08:28 anyone have time to help me understand what i really need to do to get started in application development? Jun 04 14:08:57 i've just got some questions... Jun 04 14:09:11 that the faqs seem to not directly answer Jun 04 14:19:09 <`0660> i don't think anyone has time to help you Jun 04 14:19:13 is there a way to reset my n770 to factory condition? Ive installed a bnch of 3rd party junk that has my dependencies all screwed up Jun 04 14:19:18 <`0660> you could try to just ask though Jun 04 14:19:30 <`0660> sometimes people might answer even if they are busy Jun 04 14:19:38 <`0660> just like i did now Jun 04 14:20:04 defor^work, im looking to start developing too, if i can get my 770 back in working order :/ Jun 04 14:20:33 livingtm: yeah, you can re-flash it Jun 04 14:21:01 sp3000 is the utility from nokia's website ? Jun 04 14:23:17 found it.. thanks! Jun 04 14:30:27 hmm Jun 04 14:30:31 ill ask in a little Jun 04 14:33:03 ok, i'm wondering about g_spawn_async_with_pipes Jun 04 14:33:40 i've got an app doing that, and attaching something to the iochannel for stdout, in order to read from it when the data is output for reading. Jun 04 14:34:03 trouble is that it seems to wait until the spawned app is done. Jun 04 14:34:24 which can take 10-20 minutes, to then read all of the output. Jun 04 14:34:41 any way to make it work more ... uh ... intuitively? Jun 04 14:42:35 so what's the difference between "arm" and "armel"? Jun 04 14:42:59 I can't run any "arm" programs on my nokia 770 because the architecture is "armel" Jun 04 14:45:12 yeah you need the armel binaries Jun 04 14:45:15 armel is EABI Jun 04 14:45:25 or cross compile your code to armel Jun 04 14:45:50 is it a toolchain issue or a rootstrap issue? Jun 04 14:49:20 livingtm: libdbus-gl sounds like a truncated version of libdbus-glib-1 (AFAIK there is no such thing as GL bindings to D-Bus ;) Jun 04 14:50:06 now where did I find the list of rootstrap packages... Jun 04 14:50:23 zuh just reflashed it :-) Jun 04 14:52:27 how do I cross compile it to armel? Jun 04 14:52:59 Mikho: by following the maemo tutorial.. Jun 04 14:53:15 I thought I compiled it to armel already Jun 04 14:53:38 then you missed some step Jun 04 14:54:36 now how did it end up being an arm package... Jun 04 14:54:55 I have an armel rootstrap, the target's name is SDK-ARMEL... Jun 04 14:55:38 but it seems there are no armel toolchains Jun 04 14:57:20 my crystal ball says you did not select wrong devkits Jun 04 14:57:52 that's good Jun 04 15:00:06 so your problem should go away be recreating the SDK-ARMEL with sb-menu, and when it asks for devkits, double-check that you select the correct ones Jun 04 15:00:49 i selected debian-sarge, debian, doctools, perl and cputransp and that's all there is Jun 04 15:02:05 what's the difference betweel all these cputransparencies? There are qemu-arm-version-sb2 and qemu-armeb-version-sb2 and whatnot Jun 04 15:03:49 Mikho: so, why did you select debian-sarge ? the instructions did not say so.. Jun 04 15:04:03 (and if they do, it's a bug it should be filed) Jun 04 15:04:15 because I got lot of nice error messages earlier by not installing something they didn't tell me to Jun 04 15:05:30 or is it a problem with some of the files sb-menu offers to install? Jun 04 15:05:59 maybe it overwrites the armel tools with arm ones or sth.. Jun 04 15:06:48 so is there somethin in debian-sarge that's messing my things? Jun 04 15:08:20 yes, debian-sarge does not support armel Jun 04 15:08:33 oh Jun 04 15:08:52 so, should I choose arm or armeb as the emulation method? does it make a difference? Jun 04 15:08:57 huho gmane's broken :( Jun 04 15:09:16 what does the instructions say? Jun 04 15:10:41 it doesn't say anything. sb-menu didn't exist during the creation of that tutorial Jun 04 15:13:45 it's arm then Jun 04 15:18:07 checking whether the C compiler works... configure: error: cannot run C compiled programs. If you menat to cross compile, use '--host'. Jun 04 15:18:18 but where am I supposed to stick the host Jun 04 15:18:41 guardian: gmane broken? Jun 04 15:19:33 Hmm. the maintainer is 4 days idle on IRC. Jun 04 15:19:33 search.gmane.org gives 404 Jun 04 15:20:02 so does article.gmane.org Jun 04 15:23:51 should con_ic_connection_get_all_iaps(connection) return all the same stuff that can be seen in connection selection dialog? It seems to return only the on that is connected Jun 04 15:24:08 *only the one Jun 04 15:25:34 like all the different wlan networks that are available Jun 04 15:26:12 <`0660> is it possible to scan different networks while being connected to one? Jun 04 15:28:27 Mikho: check config.log for the real error, that usually just means that something is broken in your target setup Jun 04 15:28:54 oh, maybe I'll take that connect call away and try then Jun 04 15:30:21 which scratchbox toolchain do i want for my n770? Jun 04 15:32:22 maybe it can't find the emulator software Jun 04 15:32:40 still there seems to be only one item on the list that the function returns :/ Jun 04 15:32:40 which is logical because I didn't include it in the target Jun 04 15:32:55 because I wanted to cross-compile directly to the n770 Jun 04 15:33:18 ./configure seems to say the target host is arm, but how do I change it to armel? Jun 04 15:34:26 pff, it seems that connections need to be saved Jun 04 15:34:27 have someone done a script to make an full backup for n800? I seem to brick my device twise a week and therefore would be nice if the application would be there as well :) Jun 04 15:35:49 there doesn't seem to be any reference to armel in /scratchbox/compilers/bin/ Jun 04 15:38:12 Mikho: So is there any reason to try to do things the hard way, instead of just setting up the devkits and CPU transparency properly, after which you can just ./configure && make without having to do magic tricks? Jun 04 15:38:48 I'm trying to understand this Jun 04 15:39:14 Ok, so you do have a reason :) Jun 04 15:39:32 If my reason says I don't need emulators if I want a package for the 770 Jun 04 15:39:55 and still, the tutorial doesn't say anything about installing a cputransp devkit Jun 04 15:40:28 Maybe because the tutorial is written for scratchbox 0.9.x where such thing didn't exist? Jun 04 15:40:35 indeed Jun 04 15:40:56 it's the old tutorial because the new one has tons of broken links :/ Jun 04 15:41:50 And the old one doesn't help you with newer scratchbox (just confuses things more)... Jun 04 15:42:01 I'm about to lose all hope Jun 04 15:42:45 But what's wrong with the target setup portion from the new tutorial? Jun 04 15:42:50 hi :) Jun 04 15:43:16 I tried installing the transparency and emulator. Got past the last error message but ran into another. Moreover the configure script doesn't think it's cross-compiling :/ Jun 04 15:43:55 It shouldn't think it's cross-compiling, that's the whole point of scratchbox :) Jun 04 15:44:19 I thought it was a cross-compiling environment Jun 04 15:45:24 It is, but it doesn't tell the configure script that. It fools it to think it's compiling natively. Jun 04 15:46:09 And since configure script tries to compile a test prog and run it, you need to have emulation Jun 04 15:46:11 the tutorial says something about using sbrsh, hmm Jun 04 15:46:52 That's only an alternative to qemu, but for 770 it doesn't offer much benefit (you need to setup nfs server etc) Jun 04 15:47:30 ok Jun 04 15:47:50 so maybe I'll stick to the emulator Jun 04 15:48:14 and think about nfs later Jun 04 15:48:38 so to run cpu transparency on a n800, is it necessary to use the full dev rootfs, or can jus tthe required components be installed on the device? Jun 04 15:50:01 You can run it with the "consumer" rootfs too, just install sbrshd and set it up (ie. create a simple config file for it) Jun 04 15:50:27 wow, now it generated a _armer.deb file! Jun 04 15:50:33 _armel.deb Jun 04 15:51:00 * Mikho proceeds to install it on 770, with shaky and sweaty hands... Jun 04 15:54:12 great, it works! Jun 04 15:54:18 thanks for help, everyone! Jun 04 15:54:53 is there any software for maemo that allows me to send images from my phone to n770 via bluetooth? Jun 04 15:56:29 can't you simply use the file manager to access the images on your phone ? Jun 04 15:56:35 it's just that in linux, you solve problems generally by just installing packages and more packages. It seems you have to be careful not to install the packages that break your system Jun 04 15:57:25 this time debian-sarge devkit cost me some 4-5 hours of work time Jun 04 15:57:28 guardian, I want to send picturees from my n73 to my n770 Jun 04 15:58:17 don't know never used my tablet with a phone Jun 04 15:58:42 but i assumed that if the tablet's file manager can explore other device's files via bluetooth, then you can copy files from them Jun 04 16:01:18 guardian, ah okok. it's what I need :) Jun 04 16:01:41 I'd be glad if you could explain one more thing: what is the rootfs for? Would installing it solve the incredible problems in 770 when getting root access, getting sudo to work etc? Jun 04 16:08:30 http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/Maemo_2.2_Tutorial.html#settingup <-- under "Installing Scratchbox" they tell you to edit .bash_profile, but dont tell you what to put in it! Jun 04 16:10:11 that tutorial is totally hosed. its missing all kinds of key information Jun 04 16:10:53 for instance, they tell you to download the SDK rootstrap, but the lijnk is bad. Jun 04 16:11:29 livingtm: Please file a bug against the documentation on the website. That way someone can fix it.. Jun 04 16:11:39 "Log in to Scratchbox as a normal user with another terminal window using the following command: ]]> " heh Jun 04 16:11:49 * sp3000 sobs Jun 04 16:12:04 sp3000, EXACTLY. im a first-timer... cant get real for :-) Jun 04 16:12:06 far Jun 04 16:13:17 livingtm: you can use http://test.maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/Maemo_tutorial.html Jun 04 16:13:21 but yeah, do file bugs Jun 04 16:13:34 where do i file a bug for that documentation? Jun 04 16:13:56 * sp3000 isn't sure Jun 04 16:14:05 bugzilla or maemo2midgard on garage? Jun 04 16:14:45 bugzilla sucks less but the latter might be right Jun 04 16:14:53 bugzilla. Jun 04 16:15:03 It has a special website section.. Jun 04 16:15:06 (yay!) Jun 04 16:15:31 https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=website Jun 04 16:15:37 livingtm: I wrote a better, cleaner, working howto for n770 sdk.. but... it's in italian language :( Jun 04 16:15:41 Component: documentation Jun 04 16:18:28 are the repositories offline ? Jun 04 16:18:38 that's what's being said in the dev ml Jun 04 16:20:01 Works for me[tm] Jun 04 16:20:53 sure Jun 04 16:20:55 same here :) Jun 04 16:22:22 okay, bug filed. Jun 04 16:24:15 so is that there's no recent version of libc6 for armel? Can't install a number of other software Jun 04 16:25:12 ah another bug related to the migration Jun 04 16:27:10