**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jun 08 02:59:56 2007
Jun 08 03:31:29 <BlueStory> hi guys :)
Jun 08 03:32:54 <BlueStory> probably all of you are very proffecional in maemo so please excuse my ignorance, but is someone familiar with nokia n800 ?
Jun 08 03:44:22 <rwhitby> BlueStory: don't ask to ask, just ask the question you have.
Jun 08 07:39:41 <urs_buddy7> hi anyone here got an idea of how to build emacs in scratchbox? No offences, but i find vi  very problematic but scratchbox doesnt has emacs.
Jun 08 07:40:08 <kulve> use emacs from outside the sb
Jun 08 07:40:32 <kulve> emacs /scratchbox/user/<username>/home/<username>/path/to/file
Jun 08 07:42:08 <urs_buddy7> kulve: has anyone tried integrating scratchbox with emacs?
Jun 08 07:42:23 <kulve> dunno. I see no reason for that
Jun 08 07:43:09 <urs_buddy7> kulve: thanks
Jun 08 07:43:14 <guardian> good morning
Jun 08 07:47:25 * zuh has a link from $HOME/scratchboxhome to /scratchbox/user/<username>/home/<username> to reduce typing
Jun 08 07:48:18 <kulve> mine is ~/sb-home ..
Jun 08 07:48:39 <suihkulokki> I think emacs is more likely to integrate scratchbox than the other way around
Jun 08 07:48:45 <kulve> :)
Jun 08 08:01:02 <AD-N770> 0good morning
Jun 08 08:04:33 <guardian> hmm, my n800 gets its ip adress from dhcp, which is supposed to register the hostname with the dns
Jun 08 08:04:42 <guardian> on the n800 i set /etc/hostname to "n800"
Jun 08 08:05:02 <guardian> frmo my linux workstation i can't ping the tablet by name
Jun 08 08:05:53 <guardian> on some linux workstations, i have to edit /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf so that it sends the hostname. is there some equivalent on the tablet ?
Jun 08 08:10:16 <guardian> hmm
Jun 08 08:32:20 <guardian> i edited /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname and rebooted. however, the hostname of my tablet keeps being "nokian800.domain.tld" any idea please ?
Jun 08 08:32:26 <guardian> i'm using wifi
Jun 08 08:34:22 <inz> guardian, udhcpc (used on the device) seems to take a -H parameter, but it is launched by icd...
Jun 08 08:35:34 <guardian> so modifying /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname will only work for usb networking ?
Jun 08 08:41:08 <guardian> inz: you mean it's hardcoded then ?
Jun 08 08:44:42 <guardian> haha i'm lost, /etc/udhcpc/default.bound contains "sample udhcpc renew script" comment while /et/udhcpc/default.renew contains "sample udhcpc bound script" comment :D
Jun 08 09:07:30 <cosmo> hm, i'm getting failed to write **** errors with maemo mapper
Jun 08 09:07:41 <cosmo> mmc should have free space
Jun 08 09:08:30 <cosmo> it also flashes "check repository format and internet connection"
Jun 08 09:09:24 <cosmo> internet connection is working
Jun 08 09:29:13 <cosmo> hm, now the whole 770 reboots few minutes after being turned on
Jun 08 09:29:28 <cosmo> something seems to be badly wrong
Jun 08 09:32:08 <inz> guardian, it is configurable...
Jun 08 09:32:16 <inz> guardian, set the _bluetooth_ name of yer device...
Jun 08 09:33:42 <guardian> hmm gonna try, but i find it weird that bluetooth names controls the name sent to dhcp, considering my bluetooth is always off
Jun 08 09:34:24 <inz> guardian, I find it weird too =)
Jun 08 09:49:34 <bjv> ok. so im looking for scratchbox-toolchain-cs2005q3.2-glibc-i386-1.0.5  and ultimately -arm-1.0.5 toolchain as well
Jun 08 09:50:08 <bjv> the actual maemo sdk can be installed vi apt-get? from within scratchbox, once it is up and running
Jun 08 09:52:35 <dpb_> no, you have to get the rootstrap and install it into scratchbox.
Jun 08 09:56:15 <bjv> plan of attack: get      scratchbox-core_1.0.7_i386.deb    scratchbox-libs_1.0.7_i386.deb   & the 2x toolchain packages... then..
Jun 08 09:56:39 <bjv> i dunno.. figure out this hildon mess.
Jun 08 10:00:59 <guardian_> unable to install bash: conflict with application packages: bash
Jun 08 10:01:01 <guardian_> hmm ok :)
Jun 08 10:02:11 <guardian_> which should be prefered ? ssh package or dropbear server ?
Jun 08 10:04:27 <SeRi> personally... ssh
Jun 08 10:04:35 <jonnylamb> I prefer using openssh because I'm more familar with it.
Jun 08 10:04:46 <SeRi> ^^ dito
Jun 08 10:05:37 * bjv also installed opensshd out of reflex
Jun 08 10:06:07 <cosmo> i've got "JFFS2 notice: check_node_data: wrong data CRC in data node at ..." message in dmesg. any ideas how to get rid of it?
Jun 08 10:11:24 <cosmo> argh, looks like broken flash: http://maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-users/2006-December/002436.html
Jun 08 10:16:08 <bjv> ok. wtf is this link trying to do: "site:downloads/download-maemo"
Jun 08 10:16:28 <bjv> or this one? "ext:dl_maemo22/i386"
Jun 08 10:18:23 <bjv> bingo.
Jun 08 10:19:22 <bjv> Maemo_Dev_Platform_rootstrap_Nokia_Binaries_v2.2.tar.gz  is what im after?
Jun 08 10:22:39 <dpb_> are you developing for the 770?
Jun 08 10:23:10 <dpb_> oh, and no. that only includes the closed source binaries afaik
Jun 08 10:26:24 <bjv> i think that is all im after, i just want to see if i can build my little program against mesa & run it on my 770
Jun 08 10:28:18 <dpb_> no, it certainly isn't all you're after. the binaries wont work by themselves. they need the full maemo.
Jun 08 10:30:40 <bjv> the full maemo is needed when you run the -i386-1.0.5 produced binaries in an xnest, i dont think i even need the SDK
Jun 08 10:30:59 <bjv> hildonization is fairly far off.
Jun 08 10:35:20 <dpb_> guess you wont need a scratchbox then either.
Jun 08 11:09:04 <prahal> I got a user question is this the right channel ? I want to see my linux box in the n770 file manager or see the n770 files from my linux box ... how could I achieve that ?
Jun 08 11:11:17 <bjv> i run openssh on the tablet & also a copy on the desktop,  i use konqueror to view the tablet contents on the desktop & sshfs/fuser to enable viewing desktop files on the tablet
Jun 08 11:12:36 <bjv> it's drag'n'drop once it's working, but you do need to know how to deploy sshd & mounting/unmounting into the tablets root fs
Jun 08 11:16:11 <b0unc3> also nfs would do the trick ... ( if you flash a kernel with nfs support )
Jun 08 11:16:27 <prahal> hum thank you I do have sshd installed on the tablet. I had hope that the n770 file manager was able to see my gnome-obex-server as it sees my phone ... I am not that interested in seeing the full file system . My main point was to have some part of each file system available through both file managers (n770 one and nautilus) the way samba or nfs works on linux
Jun 08 11:18:51 <prahal> but if it cannot I will stick to sshd on the n770 side and sftp/nautilus on the linux side ... though I ll have a look at sshfs now . I did not though about it
Jun 08 11:26:16 <prahal> also I need a "network" for ssh/nfs ... could I push a file via bluetooth from the n770 the way I do from my phone or nautilus-sendto ?
Jun 08 11:29:23 <edt> anyone know of software that reassigns some of the buttons.  I would REALLY like the buttons on top and below the menu button to act as pgup and pgdown
Jun 08 11:31:36 <bjv> prahal: i dont use bluetooth, but if i were you i would investigate the limits of the tablets ability to interface with your desktop bluetooth hardware
Jun 08 11:32:38 <bjv> that sounds like an interesting solution, though ssh is all around more powerful and normally in use anyway
Jun 08 11:48:32 <mubelacker> (leave
Jun 08 12:45:39 <guardian> please, how could i get back the value of DEB_BUILD_ARCH in my configure.ac ?
Jun 08 14:28:47 <guardian> The default is to
Jun 08 14:28:48 <guardian>         automatically guess the appropriate version, so you should not
Jun 08 14:28:48 <guardian>         set this variable under normal circumstances
Jun 08 14:28:55 <guardian> that's what scratchbox doc says
Jun 08 14:29:03 <guardian> about autoconf version
Jun 08 14:29:13 <guardian> so on which base does it decide to use 2.13 and not 2.59 ?
Jun 08 14:29:26 <guardian> because autoconf --version reports 2.13 here
Jun 08 14:39:55 <pna> hi * how to play an mp3 file on the standard media-player from cui?
Jun 08 15:05:24 <jumpula> scratchbox.org debian repositories have been restructured
Jun 08 15:05:42 <jumpula> in the future, use:
Jun 08 15:05:43 <jumpula> deb http://scratchbox.org/debian/ maemo3-sdk main
Jun 08 15:06:07 <jumpula> for getting scratchbox, if you're doing maemo development
Jun 08 15:06:23 <jumpula> packages found in that repository are the same that are used in sdk
Jun 08 15:06:32 <dpb_> what about with maemo2.2? :)
Jun 08 15:07:05 <jumpula> well, that has yet to be figured out :)
Jun 08 15:07:30 <dpb_> ln -s maemo3-sdk maemo2-sdk? :)
Jun 08 15:07:41 <jumpula> currently, there's only repository for maemo3-sdk
Jun 08 15:07:53 <jumpula> yeah, we could do that
Jun 08 15:08:30 <jumpula> but i'm not that familiar with the requirements of 2.2
Jun 08 15:09:20 <jumpula> ie. does it use the legacy branch, or stable...
Jun 08 15:10:03 <dpb_> it uses apophis r4 or later
Jun 08 15:18:03 <trevarthan> Does anyone have a2dp packages I can play with on maemo?
Jun 08 15:27:29 <zj> Has anyone been successful in getting USB host mode to work on the N800?
Jun 08 15:32:52 <pna> zj, heh I've already, compiled the kernel with the patches, but waitin for a usb cable to attach something ;)
Jun 08 15:33:26 <zj> pna - I got a powered hub and hooked up the n800 to the upstream port of the hub but no luck
Jun 08 15:34:04 <pna> nothing appeard on the dmesg
Jun 08 15:34:10 <pna> ?
Jun 08 15:34:31 <zj> pna - I followed the directions at http://muru.com/linux/n800-usb-host/, but when doing echo host > /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode it always then resets itself to "peripheral"
Jun 08 15:34:37 <zj> nothhing on dmesg
Jun 08 15:35:21 <pna> hmmm strange, ive also followed those directions, but remains on host mode
Jun 08 15:35:48 <pna> i've also found an option on the falsher something like --active-host-mode
Jun 08 15:35:54 <zj> maybe I need to do that before hooking up the usb cable...trying now
Jun 08 15:35:59 <pna> but i guess was for the 770
Jun 08 15:36:04 <zj> did that, not sure if that has an effect on the n800 though
Jun 08 15:36:25 <pna> yep sure you have to do it before attach the device
Jun 08 15:38:10 <zj> no, still changes right back to peripheral
Jun 08 15:38:32 <zj> the mode file was read only and I had to do a chmod +w on it....did you have a similar issue?
Jun 08 15:40:57 <pna> no
Jun 08 15:41:01 <pna> no problem on that
Jun 08 15:41:18 <pna> did you enabed also otg mode?
Jun 08 15:41:38 <pna> maybe could be an OnTheGo problem that set the n800 as a peripheral
Jun 08 15:41:48 <zj> no...how do I do that/
Jun 08 15:41:50 <zj> ?
Jun 08 15:41:54 <pna> and re
Jun 08 15:42:55 <pna> look @ this thread:
Jun 08 15:42:58 <pna> http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/22873
Jun 08 15:44:13 <pna> there are some tweaks to add to your .config before compile, like the CONFIG_USB_OTG_WHITELIST and such things
Jun 08 15:44:37 <zj> hm, alright
Jun 08 16:05:34 <pna> where are the sources for pkg-config, can't find those on the svn
Jun 08 16:05:55 <pna> need pkg-config i guess 0.18
Jun 08 16:06:01 <pna> or 0.17
Jun 08 16:13:31 <pna> ok found http://repository.maemo.org/pool/sardine/main/source/p/pkgconfig/
Jun 08 16:30:31 <pna> i do not have dpkg-reconfigure on scrathcbox do ia have to add some virtual package?
Jun 08 16:43:45 <pna> heh solved ;) dpkg --configure
Jun 08 16:51:28 <trevarthan> exit
Jun 08 16:55:29 <trevarthan> Is there an alsa enabled kernel available for the n800? Or do I need to build my own?
Jun 08 16:55:38 <trevarthan> Trying to play with A2DP....
Jun 08 17:00:10 <pna> trevarthan, could help you?: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-6117.html
Jun 08 17:00:45 <trevarthan> Yeah. Trying to. But the bluetooth-alsa project requires, well, alsa. And I don't think the n800 ships with alsa.
Jun 08 17:02:05 <trevarthan> So that means: 1.) kernel upgrade (while keeping my SDHC patches), 2.) alsa tool deb, 3.) modified mplayer deb with alsa support, 4.) finally helping develop an a2dp solution.
Jun 08 17:02:27 <trevarthan> That's a lot of steps just to get to the point where you can start developing...
Jun 08 17:02:58 <suihkulokki> trevarthan: it comes with alsa
Jun 08 17:03:01 <pna> heh yes ,)
Jun 08 17:03:47 <trevarthan> suihkulokki: Oh yeah? I must have missed the /dev entries....
Jun 08 17:04:26 <trevarthan> suihkulokki: mplayer for the n800 doesn't come bundled with alsa support, it looks like. So how would I confirm that alsa is present?
Jun 08 17:06:05 <trevarthan> suppose I could try building mplayer with alsa and just give it a whirl...
Jun 08 17:07:11 <suihkulokki> trevarthan: it has a userland plugin for libalsa forsound output
Jun 08 17:07:57 <suihkulokki> trevarthan: there's a project for it in garage as well
Jun 08 17:07:58 <trevarthan> suihkulokki: I'm sorry, but which 'it' are you referring to?
Jun 08 17:08:11 <suihkulokki> the device
Jun 08 17:08:16 <suihkulokki> ie. n800
Jun 08 17:09:12 <trevarthan> suihkulokki: got a link?
Jun 08 17:09:37 <suihkulokki> https://garage.maemo.org/projects/dsp-alsa/
Jun 08 17:10:10 <trevarthan> no files. have to build it from svn?
Jun 08 17:11:00 <suihkulokki> its already on the device
Jun 08 17:11:34 <trevarthan> ok. so I just need to rebuild mplayer then.
Jun 08 17:15:18 <kamui> xchat
Jun 08 17:15:58 <`0660> no, irssi
Jun 08 18:28:06 <trevarthan> no, pidgin
Jun 08 18:28:32 <`0660> you just haven't seen the light yet :)
Jun 08 19:26:59 <trevarthan> I've got mplayer built with alsa support for the n800: http://www.guardiani.us/index.php/N800_custom_packages#Bluetooth_ALSA
Jun 08 19:27:43 <trevarthan> but it doesn't seem to work, at least with the dspmp3 codec...
Jun 08 19:27:44 <unique311> is that a good thing??
Jun 08 19:27:52 <unique311> compile vlc....
Jun 08 19:28:04 <trevarthan> Yeah, if I'm going to use a2dp...
Jun 08 19:28:18 <trevarthan> why would I want to compile vlc?
Jun 08 19:28:53 <unique311> it rocks
Jun 08 19:29:04 <unique311> lack of words
Jun 08 19:29:35 <trevarthan> yeah ok, I'm trying to do something here. I'm not just trying to compile various players.
Jun 08 19:30:00 <unique311> what are you trying to do?
Jun 08 19:30:10 <trevarthan> get a2dp working
Jun 08 19:30:26 <unique311> bluetooth headset
Jun 08 19:30:35 <trevarthan> stereo. yeah.
Jun 08 19:30:39 <unique311> k, carry on soldier
Jun 08 19:31:24 <trevarthan> :) thanks.
Jun 08 19:32:27 <unique311> u should compile vlc when done..
Jun 08 19:33:13 <unique311> do it for your country....instead of just compiling various players
Jun 08 19:33:27 <unique311> ur country needs vlc
Jun 08 19:35:12 <trevarthan> I'm actually thinking about writing my own player after I'm done. I've got a few UI ideas that I'd like to kick around. I'm not sure if I'll ever get done though. :)
Jun 08 19:35:25 <trevarthan> Kinda like an oss canola.
Jun 08 19:36:29 <edistar> hey...
Jun 08 19:36:42 <edistar> does anyone of you know how to use CTRL and ALT on the 770?
Jun 08 19:36:50 <edistar> I need them for screen...
Jun 08 19:37:35 <edistar> and for centericq etc...
Jun 08 19:37:40 <edistar> anyone help me?
Jun 08 19:38:11 <X-Fade_> edistar: Just install the right terminal program..
Jun 08 19:38:22 <edistar> ?
Jun 08 19:38:33 <X-Fade_> The maemo-hackers one..
Jun 08 19:38:36 <edistar> and how do I use ESC?
Jun 08 19:38:40 <edistar> I found CTRL already..
Jun 08 19:38:47 <edistar> but ALT and ESC I need too
Jun 08 19:40:18 <X-Fade_> ESC is the back button..
Jun 08 19:40:39 <edistar> which one?
Jun 08 19:40:44 <edistar> oh
Jun 08 19:40:48 <edistar> the arrow? really?
Jun 08 19:40:49 <X-Fade_> Above menu..
Jun 08 19:40:52 <X-Fade_> http://maemo-hackers.org/osso-xterm.install
Jun 08 19:41:06 <edistar> I am very not bright at the moment..
Jun 08 19:41:10 <X-Fade_> This is the right terminal..
Jun 08 19:41:15 <X-Fade_> Geeft niets ;)
Jun 08 19:41:43 <edistar> bedankt ;)
Jun 08 19:42:45 <edistar> en ALT?
Jun 08 19:43:10 <X-Fade_> Check the menu..
Jun 08 19:43:31 <edistar> ok
Jun 08 19:43:34 <edistar> cya
Jun 08 20:00:36 <edistar> hey... how can I cet an ALT in my toolbar of xterm?
Jun 08 20:04:06 <edistar> hm?
Jun 08 20:04:17 <edistar> or how else can I get ALT?
Jun 08 20:06:13 <trevarthan> edistar: you have the hackers xterm?
Jun 08 20:07:01 <trevarthan> ok, I'm going to assume 'yes' to that question.
Jun 08 20:07:38 <trevarthan> Click Menu Button -> Edit -> Shortcuts
Jun 08 20:07:47 <edistar> yes
Jun 08 20:07:55 <edistar> and then?
Jun 08 20:08:07 <trevarthan> Then you need the keycode for ALT. I'm not sure what that is off the top of my head. Hang on.
Jun 08 20:09:27 <trevarthan> OK, the keycodes are here: https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/gtk+/gdk/gdkkeysyms.h
Jun 08 20:09:54 <trevarthan> You want to type in 'Alt_L', I think.
Jun 08 20:10:08 <edistar> cool, thanks
Jun 08 20:10:27 <trevarthan> did that work for you?
Jun 08 20:11:02 <trevarthan> I'm not sure how to make it "sticky" like the Ctrl shortcut.
Jun 08 20:12:03 <edistar> well, it is there
Jun 08 20:12:13 <edistar> but I need it sticky
Jun 08 20:12:16 <edistar> :(
Jun 08 20:12:30 <trevarthan> Can you do a combination of keys instead of making it sticky?
Jun 08 20:12:53 <trevarthan> You can combine keys together by separating their codes with a comma ','
Jun 08 20:13:16 <edistar> thanks a lot:)
Jun 08 20:13:43 <edistar> is there any other version than hackers xterm btw?
Jun 08 20:14:12 <trevarthan> for example, I have an irssi shortcut for the "/window close" command: slash,w,i,n,d,o,w,KP_Space,c,l,o,s,e,KP_Enter
Jun 08 20:14:21 <trevarthan> not that I'm aware of, no.
Jun 08 20:14:42 <trevarthan> you can always hack your own though. full source is available, I think.
Jun 08 20:14:53 <edistar> looks long;)
Jun 08 20:16:02 <edistar> I only heard maemo is based on debian. how much debian is left?
Jun 08 20:16:55 <trevarthan> a good bit.
Jun 08 20:17:28 <edistar> ok:)
Jun 08 20:18:13 <tko> the important part, apt-get :)
Jun 08 20:18:52 <trevarthan> I think the tablets are very nice embedded linux devices. They offer a lot more flexibility than many embedded devices. The only hassle is the fact that you need to cross compile your code for the CPU and memory architecture, so you need the maemo SDK to port applications.
Jun 08 20:19:40 <trevarthan> Some of the hardware drivers are closed source I think, and so are some of the apps, and so is the boot loader/flasher stuff. But the vast majority of it is still linux.
Jun 08 20:19:41 <tko> strictly speaking you don't need it, but it is probably more convenient than alternatives
Jun 08 20:20:08 <zyxulnaga> the worst is that the wireless driver is closed source and we cant do packet injection
Jun 08 20:20:26 <Fatal> trevarthan: why not bind it in irssi?  /bind meta-c multi insert_text /window close;send_line ?
Jun 08 20:20:31 <trevarthan> Yeah, I should probably say that I find the SDK very easy to deal with. Cross compiling without it would be a huge pain.
Jun 08 20:21:19 <trevarthan> Fatal: neato.
Jun 08 20:21:23 <Fatal> uh, that was overly complex :/
Jun 08 20:21:38 <Fatal> easier ; /bind meta-c /window close
Jun 08 20:21:40 <Fatal> :)
Jun 08 20:22:29 <trevarthan> OK. If anyone has an A2DP headset and wants to play with A2DP, you can use my packages here: http://www.guardiani.us/index.php/N800_custom_packages#Bluetooth_ALSA
Jun 08 20:23:15 <edistar> ctrl doesn't work properly with centericq via screen
Jun 08 20:23:22 <trevarthan> It works, but it's choppy. Something about SCO being unoptimized or something. It's the a2dpd daemon that is slow. mplayer plays just fine using straight alsa and libmp3.
Jun 08 20:24:08 <trevarthan> I hope to dig into the a2dpd CPU hog issue in the near future. A2DP is waaaaay cool.
Jun 08 20:27:49 <koen> trevarthan: try bluez 3.11, that one has a fixed-point SBC encoder
Jun 08 20:29:32 <trevarthan> koen: So I'll need to upgrade the bluez that ships with the firmware, basically?
Jun 08 20:29:55 <koen> or poke johan to get the updates into maemo :)
Jun 08 20:30:10 <koen> the SBC stuff was done by the ondt guys
Jun 08 20:30:25 <trevarthan> cool.
Jun 08 20:30:41 <trevarthan> sounds like this stuff is mostly done and just needs to be packaged up.
Jun 08 20:32:16 <trevarthan> koen: are there debs for bluez 3.11?
Jun 08 20:32:32 <koen> not for maemo afaik
Jun 08 20:32:33 <trevarthan> or a source tree with a debian dir?
Jun 08 20:33:36 <trevarthan> This page mentions bluez-libs-3.11-0osso1: http://cia.vc/stats/author/jh
Jun 08 20:35:02 <trevarthan> There we go: https://stage.maemo.org/viewcvs.cgi/projects/connectivity/bluez-libs/tags/bluez-libs-3.11-0osso1/?root=maemo
Jun 08 20:35:30 <trevarthan> I take it that 'jh' is johan.
Jun 08 20:39:29 <etrunko> trevarthan: maybe johan hedberg
Jun 08 20:43:13 <trevarthan> I'm compiling bluez-libs 3.11 and bluez-utils 3.11 from those SVN repos now. But I think I'll wait till I get home and rsync my tablet before I try to install the debs. I'm guessing there might be some binary incompatibility between 3.9 and 3.11. I'm guessing things might break horribly.
Jun 08 20:52:42 <trevarthan> I need flex and libhal-dev to build bluez-utils 3.11. Anyone know where I can get those?
Jun 08 20:55:58 <trevarthan> maybe it's time I join the mailing list...
Jun 08 20:59:22 <jumpula> trevarthan: flex is provided by scratchbox
Jun 08 20:59:32 <jumpula> trevarthan: follow instructions in the wiki
Jun 08 20:59:41 <jumpula> trevarthan: http://scratchbox.org/wiki/Apophis-r4
Jun 08 21:00:12 <jumpula> okay. debian-etch devkit released.
Jun 08 21:02:16 <trevarthan> jumpula: Yeah, that worked. Now I just need libhal-dev.
Jun 08 21:02:56 <jumpula> maemo repositories?
Jun 08 21:03:24 <trevarthan> haven't seen it there... am I missing something?
Jun 09 00:10:00 <livingtm> Im learning to develop using the SDK. I have built the maemo pad demo, then modified it and attempted to compile it, which fails because the no include directories are passed to the compiler. Is there a good tutorial on how to set this up to build properly? (the links on the maemo 2.2 tutorial are invalid)
Jun 09 00:11:34 <livingtm> http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/Maemo_2.2_Tutorial.html#deployment  the first link "Making a packagefor the application manager" is an invalid link
Jun 09 00:32:04 <livingtm> how do i build an application without making it into a a .deb package?
Jun 09 00:33:05 <dragorn> just do make and copy the binary over
Jun 09 00:35:06 <livingtm> dragorn, Im in the maemopad dirctory, and make says no targets
Jun 09 00:35:21 <livingtm> same in the src directory
Jun 09 00:35:25 <dragorn> sounds broken
Jun 09 00:35:37 <livingtm> if i run the dpkg-build.... it works fine.
Jun 09 00:35:58 <dragorn> so look at what dpkg-build runs
Jun 09 00:36:05 <dragorn> and run that manually and exclude the packaging
Jun 09 00:36:21 <livingtm> isnt dpkg-build a binary?
Jun 09 00:46:05 <livingtm> theres a hell of a lot going on in there
Jun 09 01:17:39 <livingtm> okay, if i wanted to start with fresh, clean source code with no make files etc, where do i begin? automake?
Jun 09 01:23:07 <livingtm> is www.maemo.org down?
Jun 09 01:23:10 <livingtm> i cant ping it
Jun 09 01:50:11 <ed__> what is the best irc/chat client for the n800?
Jun 09 02:22:12 <edt> what is the best irc/chat client for the n800?
Jun 09 02:23:44 <unique311> xchat
Jun 09 02:23:56 <unique311> u can try gaim...or irssi..
Jun 09 02:24:02 <unique311> the choice is yours luke
Jun 09 02:27:46 <edt> gaim is heavy
Jun 09 02:27:54 <edt> I will try irssi
Jun 09 02:27:58 <edt> thanks
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