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Jun 10 03:19:54 <Chupi> I have an SDL question if anybody's here
Jun 10 03:21:10 <Chupi> The SDL docs seem to say that I'll get one SDL_KEYDOWN event when I press a key and one SDL_KEYUP when it's released...
Jun 10 03:21:18 <Chupi> but I
Jun 10 03:22:11 <Chupi> ...but I'm getting many keydowns when I hold a key, and (more annoyingly) alternating keydown/keyup when I hold the key and drag
Jun 10 03:22:38 <Chupi> drag on the screen, I mean...
Jun 10 04:13:24 <pupnik> hi unique311
Jun 10 04:13:36 <pupnik> lots of back pain.  no work getting done
Jun 10 04:15:51 <unique311> u always MIA now
Jun 10 05:17:57 <unique311> what other country u know can make a funny adult swim cartoon about the president...
Jun 10 05:18:06 <unique311> making fun of him at that...
Jun 10 05:18:12 <unique311> america is great...
Jun 10 05:44:08 <mk8> Hi to all ...
Jun 10 05:45:08 <trevarthan>  rwhitby: yeah, I'm pretty sure the headset profile would work just fine. I'll test it out tomorrow.
Jun 10 05:47:39 <rwhitby> trevarthan: that will be a killer application for listening to mono podcasts through a normal mono bluetooth headset
Jun 10 05:48:06 <rwhitby> we need to get this added to ukmp!
Jun 10 06:00:31 <trevarthan> what is ukmp?
Jun 10 06:01:53 <rwhitby> UK media player
Jun 10 06:02:16 <rwhitby> the author was in here (and may still be - I forget his nick)
Jun 10 06:02:50 <rwhitby> https://garage.maemo.org/projects/ukmp/
Jun 10 06:03:18 <rwhitby> it's early in it's life, and the author seems open to new ideas :-)
Jun 10 06:03:52 <rwhitby> kontorri was his nick
Jun 10 06:04:00 <rwhitby> ~seen kontorri
Jun 10 06:04:13 <infobot> rwhitby: i haven't seen 'kontorri'
Jun 10 06:04:41 <`0660> it's konttori
Jun 10 06:04:51 <rwhitby> ~seen konttori
Jun 10 06:04:59 <rwhitby> thx
Jun 10 06:05:30 <infobot> konttori <n=konttori@a88-114-91-19.elisa-laajakaista.fi> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 2d 9h 25m 21s ago, saying: 'in osx and ubuntu'.
Jun 10 06:07:15 <`0660> maybe he's on vacation or something. he's been quite active on this channel
Jun 10 06:15:20 <trevarthan> ok. installed ukmp. it's rough, but i think it'll work. i wanted to use python anyway. easy development.
Jun 10 06:16:10 <trevarthan> i'll read through the code when i get a chance and add in headset support.
Jun 10 06:17:18 <trevarthan> but first i want to make ukmp use my cover.jpg files when they exist. some of those covers it downloaded are bogus.
Jun 10 06:17:54 <trevarthan> very nice starting point though. very cool.
Jun 10 06:28:27 <trevarthan> well, i'm catching some sleep. night folks.
Jun 10 06:30:55 <rwhitby> night trevarthan
Jun 10 06:31:07 <rwhitby> thx for the bluetooth-alsa work
Jun 10 06:35:03 <rwhitby> hmm - ukmp having a directory with a space in it in it's svn repository is a bit annoying.
Jun 10 06:52:05 <pupnik> give feedback
Jun 10 08:20:02 <tigert> most unix tools not coping with spaces in filenames are also fairly broken :)
Jun 10 09:35:44 <rwhitby> tigert: fully agree. that's why it's only annoying and not a bug :-)
Jun 10 09:43:04 <tigert> yeah
Jun 10 09:45:06 <keesj> I saw that in macOS it was possible to paste files names in the shell containing spaces
Jun 10 09:45:31 <keesj> I guess it's more a shell problem
Jun 10 09:46:19 <rwhitby> it's not a real problem, you just escape the space with a backslash in the shell.
Jun 10 09:47:16 <keesj> there are even bigger problems like having file names starting with -
Jun 10 09:47:40 <keesj> or "--" as file name or "*"
Jun 10 09:49:16 <keesj> I think the shell programming language should just be a little smarter and not so much depend on string parsing
Jun 10 09:52:45 <keesj> on the web they solved this problem with urlencoding
Jun 10 09:53:49 <zuh> And in the shell the special characters are escaped with '\'s
Jun 10 09:54:08 <zuh> Or the names delimited with ''
Jun 10 09:56:53 <tigert> keesj: it works on linux too
Jun 10 09:57:19 <tigert> it pastes the filenames in '' quotes
Jun 10 10:01:18 <keesj> tigert: so I must know it was a file name
Jun 10 10:03:14 <tigert> well yeah
Jun 10 10:03:20 <tigert> but I mean, if you drag a file to the terminal
Jun 10 10:03:27 <tigert> it does the quotation for you for all paths
Jun 10 10:03:38 <tigert> which is handy. but yeah, the shell is not any smarter
Jun 10 11:04:07 * cesman is away: Gone away for now.
Jun 10 11:50:41 <maki> how can i get the maemo platform on a linux host up and running
Jun 10 11:51:55 <jonnylamb> maki: Do you mean the Hildon desktop?
Jun 10 11:54:07 <maki> yep
Jun 10 11:54:23 <maki> i mean to run maemo on qemu or ...
Jun 10 11:55:55 <maki> http://bp0.blogger.com/_XExY_OuNVv4/RmlbqNF1fOI/AAAAAAAAAJs/B6FiTkjSuXw/s1600-h/sardine-alpha.png
Jun 10 11:55:59 <maki> like in here
Jun 10 11:56:27 <jonnylamb> Either run Sardine..
Jun 10 11:57:02 <jonnylamb> ..or read the HildonDesktopPortability page on the maemo wiki.
Jun 10 11:57:18 <maki> ok
Jun 10 11:57:56 <jonnylamb> The former is a live CD IIRC. The latter actually installs all the hildon/osso libs to your computer.
Jun 10 12:39:22 <pupnik> freedom !!!
Jun 10 12:39:57 <gla55> wah
Jun 10 12:43:12 <pupnik> hi gla55
Jun 10 12:43:31 <gla55> you're free from what
Jun 10 13:32:54 <pupnik> It's a call to arms, really.
Jun 10 13:56:08 <trevarthan> so... does everything use gstreamer in maemo?
Jun 10 13:56:29 <kulve> afaik, no
Jun 10 13:56:32 <kulve> mplayer doesn't
Jun 10 13:58:50 <trevarthan> in other words, would i be able to make an alsa gstreamer sink for my a2dp headset and everything would automatically use it?
Jun 10 13:59:26 <kulve> if you would be able to make an alsa gstreamer sink, then yes
Jun 10 14:00:05 <trevarthan> kulve: actually, mplayer does. it uses the gst ao by default. type 'mplayer -ao help' to see.
Jun 10 14:00:39 <kulve> but the device (afaik) doesn't have real alsa driver as everything goes through the dsp, so making the a2dp thing might be hard..
Jun 10 14:00:44 <kulve> trevarthan: ok
Jun 10 14:02:05 <trevarthan> a2dp is already working. i just need to make a standard gst alsa sink, i guess. http://www.guardiani.us/index.php/N800_custom_packages#Bluetooth_ALSA
Jun 10 14:04:34 <kulve> I think there's alsa sink already..
Jun 10 14:04:57 <kulve> garage seems to be too slow again..
Jun 10 14:05:53 <kulve> https://garage.maemo.org/projects/dsp-alsa/
Jun 10 14:06:07 <kulve> maybe that one. Hard to say, since garage doesn't say anything to me
Jun 10 14:10:21 <trevarthan> i was told yesterday that the dsp-alsa project is a placeholder  for the alsa support that ships with the n800 by default. that's why there are no files. it's already on the device. not sure if there is an alsa gst sink though.
Jun 10 14:18:22 <dev> I've here an alsaspdif:  alsaspdifsink: S/PDIF ALSA audiosink on my N800
Jun 10 16:27:39 <florian> hi all
Jun 10 16:35:50 <Blacksitox> hi :)
Jun 10 16:36:10 <florian> hi Blacksitox
Jun 10 16:36:59 <Blacksitox> florian, how are you ?
Jun 10 16:38:18 * florian is fine and starts to catch up what he missed in the past two weeks
Jun 10 16:41:03 <Blacksitox> florian, you speak spanish ?
Jun 10 16:41:21 <florian> Blacksitox: no, sorry
Jun 10 16:41:31 <Blacksitox> ok
Jun 10 16:41:49 <pupnik> la cuchuracha
Jun 10 16:41:53 <Blacksitox> not problem
Jun 10 16:42:56 <pupnik> ciao amigos
Jun 10 16:43:15 <Blacksitox> pupnik, tu hablas español ?
Jun 10 16:43:21 <pupnik> nada
Jun 10 16:43:29 <pupnik> buenos noches :)
Jun 10 16:57:21 <trevarthan> is there any way to make the hildon scrollbars thicker?
Jun 10 16:57:21 <trevarthan> more thumb friendly?
Jun 10 18:52:35 <melmoth> To people having access on upload to extra repository. how long did it take for garage@maemo.org to reply to your initial request ?
Jun 10 18:58:19 <keesj> melmoth: 5 days
Jun 10 18:58:48 <keesj> melmoth: that was for a garage project not a upload only account
Jun 10 18:59:22 <melmoth> oh. You were unlucky, i dont remember waiting that much for the garage opening.
Jun 10 18:59:47 <melmoth> well, let s say i m experiencing a karma balance sort of event then :)
Jun 10 20:24:12 <fer_> hi
Jun 10 20:59:03 <theril> Hello. I managed to get my N800 to a reboot loop by removing the sdk-theme. Is there any way apart from flashing to rescue it?
Jun 10 21:01:14 <jonnylamb> theril: AFAIK, no.
Jun 10 21:02:11 <theril> jonnylamb: OK, thanks
Jun 10 21:11:51 * cesman_away is back.
Jun 10 21:51:33 <Fatal> lol, I have 770 unread items in my planet.maemo.org feed :D
Jun 10 22:06:18 <unique311> so 1 more day till an update...
Jun 10 22:15:12 <SeRi> @unique311 I wouldnt hold my breath
Jun 10 22:15:54 <unique311> lol
Jun 10 22:16:18 <SeRi> :P
Jun 10 22:16:50 <jonnylamb> Update?
Jun 10 22:16:52 <SeRi> Man I hate when my job becomes work....
Jun 10 23:03:52 <mattsqz> anyone have an idea how 2007he is coming along
Jun 10 23:08:01 <rwhitby> mattsqz: what's the 'he' stand for?
Jun 10 23:11:20 <Sho_> rwhitby: "hacker edition"
Jun 10 23:11:42 <Sho_> rwhitby: unsupported backport to the 770, as i understand it
Jun 10 23:13:08 <rwhitby> ah, ok.  I thought it might be a nokia update.
Jun 10 23:13:41 <Sho_> rwhitby: the HE is released by Nokia, I think
Jun 11 00:02:13 <rwhitby> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-May/000289.html <- is this a maemo port to Intel MIDs?
Jun 11 01:10:53 <N800> anyone using motion detector?
Jun 11 01:11:00 <N800> besides me
Jun 11 01:46:44 <trevarth1n> N800: What's motion detector?
Jun 11 01:47:18 <N800> a camera app
Jun 11 01:47:42 <N800> that has a feature where you set it, and any change in the pixels in the room it snaps a picture...
Jun 11 01:47:49 <N800> really cool spy stuff...
Jun 11 01:48:08 <N800> but its snaps so many pictures...
Jun 11 01:48:19 <N800> not stable..
Jun 11 01:48:25 <N800> it has a live mode...
Jun 11 01:48:32 <N800> but i'm not sure what that does...
Jun 11 01:49:11 <N800> i tried viewing it via my desktop on port 8080 with the n800 ip...that didn't work...
Jun 11 01:49:27 <N800> early version of motion...live mode did work..
Jun 11 01:50:22 <mattsqz> anyone know whats up with this
Jun 11 01:50:25 <mattsqz> Sending and flashing rootfs image (77028 kB)...
Jun 11 01:50:25 <mattsqz> 100% (77028 of 77028 kB, avg. 626 kB/s)
Jun 11 01:50:26 <mattsqz> Finishing flashing... done
Jun 11 01:50:26 <mattsqz> Sending request 0x83 failed: Cannot send after transport endpoint shutdown
Jun 11 01:51:17 <unique311> trevarth1n, its in the garage...
Jun 11 01:52:13 <trevarth1n> ah. my camera is sloooooooow on my n800. Almost unusable slow.
Jun 11 01:52:29 <unique311> why is that?
Jun 11 01:52:47 <mattsqz> is that an error i should worry about, or is that a result of the reboot
Jun 11 02:54:21 <mattsqz> does anybody know if the 52mhz mmc kernel will work with 2007he?
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