**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jun 13 02:59:57 2007 Jun 13 03:11:29 are there c++ bindings for gtk on the 770? Jun 13 03:15:30 it seems maemo roadmap has disappeared from the website Jun 13 03:16:04 i see references to hildonmm out there on the net, wondering if it is recommended Jun 13 03:16:09 yeah, looks like a config error Jun 13 03:16:46 Wiki isn't looking too clever either... Jun 13 03:17:17 ... but it (Wiki) just loaded - took a long while Jun 13 03:18:45 maemo.org is very, very, sllllloooow. Jun 13 03:20:13 well, it is supposed to be a kind of sourceforge work-alike, isn't it? ;) Jun 13 03:21:32 ha... yes, it's very authentic Jun 13 03:22:03 this is what you get when nokia pays attention to detail Jun 13 03:23:35 amazing thing was that the guaranteed to be static mail archives were also really slow a few days ago Jun 13 03:23:40 lets hope Nokia pay attention to the iphone UI when it's released :) I'm not a fan of Apple or the iPhone, but I bet it will have a consistent UI Jun 13 03:23:44 :) Jun 13 03:24:03 I'm actually really looking forward to that device coming out Jun 13 03:24:28 me too, it should make things "interesting" Jun 13 03:24:52 I'm not actually a fan of touchscreen phones - I have a SonyEricsson W950i - and I see that Nokia aren't fans either Jun 13 03:25:42 phone UIs have steadily gotten worse since the original 2110 Jun 13 03:26:36 only the last batch of nokia's phones have started again approaching the level of simplicity with the most used functions Jun 13 03:26:43 I liked the simplicity of the Nokia 8110 (Banana/matrix) :) Jun 13 03:26:48 yup Jun 13 03:26:57 Do mericales do excist? if they do please make euchreprof be ban!!! Jun 13 03:27:37 miracles* Jun 13 03:28:06 Nokia on touchscreen phones: http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/11/nokias-not-enthusiastic-about-touchscreens-apple-lg-and/ Jun 13 03:32:56 now there's some deep insight in there Jun 13 03:33:24 well it is only engadget :) Jun 13 03:34:18 and there isn't much info in the linked article, but to be honest I'd say he (mr nokia bloke) is bang on the money Jun 13 03:34:51 i like buttons and tactile feedback when i use a phone - i've learned this to my cost having owned the W950i for the last 6 months Jun 13 03:35:27 the iPhone will look sexy and have the eye candy UI but without buttons... it's not for me Jun 13 03:36:10 plus the hardware spec is pretty poor (no 3G - are they nuts?!) Jun 13 03:37:20 Why there so many crazy people on ITT? Jun 13 03:37:36 Easy... I'm one of 'em! ;) Jun 13 03:37:48 And quite probably one of whome you may be referring :D Jun 13 03:37:57 Nah Jun 13 03:38:04 I'm just reading the update thread. Jun 13 03:38:29 The non-locked Skype thread? Jun 13 03:38:30 sapporobaby and euchreprof are the main ones Jun 13 03:38:38 yep Jun 13 03:39:34 Milhouse2: I think full-body touchscreen is the future of mobile devices, additional kick-back from a haptic thingy as well Jun 13 03:39:59 I want some N900 spyshots so I have a reason to start saving up again. Jun 13 03:40:01 it will be good enough, I personally hate the keypads on most phones Jun 13 03:40:16 lle2 - now if they can get some sort of feedback going on the touchscreen then I agree you may be right but without any sort of feedback touchscreens are a non starter for me Jun 13 03:40:46 Milhouse2: it will suck badly in finland though, during the winter ;) Jun 13 03:40:51 Well, they're not perfect, but I've gotten pretty good at typing on the Nokia's fullscreen keyboard. Jun 13 03:41:11 lle2 - I wonder if anyone has consdired really thick gloves as a use case?! Jun 13 03:41:12 I like the thumb keyboard as well, only it should be transparent Jun 13 03:41:41 Milhouse2: you can't use the newer phones with gloves on anyway, so not much lost there Jun 13 03:41:42 That would be sweet Jun 13 03:41:53 and the weird text duplication bug really needs to be fixed. Jun 13 03:41:55 lle2 - i think someone posted a deb here wich rendered the virtual keyboard trasnparent Jun 13 03:42:45 General - not to mention the crazy auto capitalisation bug in Opera Jun 13 03:42:58 That's irritating as all get out. Jun 13 03:43:18 It's too bad today's devices are too small to have handwriting like the Newton. Jun 13 03:43:52 I enter very little text into my N800 to be honest Jun 13 03:44:06 I post to forums and stuff at work. Jun 13 03:44:07 The occasional Google/Wiki search... all my usual pages are bookmarked... Jun 13 03:44:24 I've tried that, I'll do it in extreme cases but find it too much bother Jun 13 03:44:35 to post from the N800 that is Jun 13 03:44:39 AIM has replaced texting since I got the data plan. Jun 13 03:44:46 It's not bad with the thumboard Jun 13 03:45:01 Better considering my alternative at work is nothing. Jun 13 03:45:40 If I used AIM a lot, and I was in an office environment I'd get a BT keyboard Jun 13 03:45:40 the reason I'd like a Good (TM) touchscreen + haptic is that I need my hw to be in one piece, no slide-out keyboards Jun 13 03:46:30 or clam-shells or anything like that Jun 13 03:46:35 Retail, so only on short breaks and no keyboards. ;) Jun 13 03:47:01 I really like it when I'm on campus. Jun 13 03:47:31 Much lighter than schlupping a laptop around in 98°F weather with 132% humidity. Jun 13 05:08:50 What is a picture~ Jun 13 05:11:33 Is there any way to change the zoom levels in Opera? Jun 13 05:13:03 <`0660> yes Jun 13 05:13:22 <`0660> try the plus and minus buttons on the top of n800 Jun 13 05:13:53 Haha Jun 13 05:13:58 <`0660> ? Jun 13 05:14:00 presets Jun 13 05:14:22 I want a 200% zoom level :D Jun 13 05:15:02 Doubled, so images wont look all wonky. Jun 13 05:15:36 <`0660> how about not closing your browser? :) Jun 13 05:16:01 <`0660> then you would only need to change the zoom level when you reboot it Jun 13 05:17:17 Right now, the closest presets are 180 and 240 Jun 13 05:17:31 <`0660> oh Jun 13 05:17:40 <`0660> try to file a bug about this Jun 13 05:18:29 Damn, I was hoping I could just play with some configs. Jun 13 05:18:36 Thanks! Jun 13 05:51:25 !nick PET Jun 13 05:51:39 ;; Jun 13 05:51:53 What is a picture! Jun 13 05:57:04 ;; Jun 13 06:05:07 Just put a blogpost on theme maker 1.0 release. Includes screenshots of NuvoBlack and NuvoPearl as well as a brief tutorial video on youtube to introduce people to theming. Jun 13 06:05:15 http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/ Jun 13 06:43:27 Hi to all ... Jun 13 07:04:06 hi all, which is the best way to install scratchbox and all the stuff @debian sid ? maybe the scratchbox script + maemo sdk script that you can find the maemo.org ? Jun 13 07:04:54 when i installed the gregale sdk i just added a repo to my sources.list ... Jun 13 07:05:16 I would install SB from tarballs and then use the maemo script to install the targets Jun 13 07:05:27 to any debian Jun 13 07:08:38 i'm looking at the scripts, still we don't have an amd64 version of sb ? Jun 13 07:08:50 afaik, no Jun 13 07:08:59 but the i386 version should work ok Jun 13 07:11:45 kulve: on native amd64 or inside a i386 chroot ? Jun 13 07:12:37 native Jun 13 07:12:59 sb is pretty self contained (or someting like that), so it shouldn't need a chroot Jun 13 07:13:12 I'm running still 32bit linux, so I'm not 100% sure Jun 13 07:14:35 have commented the arch checking in the script, now downloading, thanks kulve Jun 13 07:15:23 <`0660> i thought sb is a just big hack around chroot :) Jun 13 07:17:00 i'm working on yet another system monitor desktop applet, backend finished, now gonna write the frontend Jun 13 07:17:20 for the hacker edition :) Jun 13 08:15:11 good morning Jun 13 08:15:16 ferenc: "We are moving the entire server from the XEN node to a brand new and powerful machine. There will be ups and downs during today's operation, but we hope that by the end of the day our performance problems will be history. Cross your fingers." Jun 13 08:15:24 yeah, just receieved the mail :) Jun 13 08:15:27 \o/ Jun 13 08:15:34 so, let's see do we ever see maemo.org again ;) Jun 13 08:26:04 * Efrael places his hat on his chest and solemnly bows his head Jun 13 09:48:55 hello Jun 13 09:51:38 do you have binaries to CX3110x. n770 ? Jun 13 09:52:29 I do not arrive compil cx3110x :'( Jun 13 10:17:36 Aloha! Jun 13 13:28:57 does anybody have experience with anjuta? Jun 13 13:29:08 I'm having trouble configuring my project Jun 13 13:29:31 I created a new gtk+ project, and it created all the makefiles and stuff all right, but... Jun 13 13:30:17 when I deleted main.c and replaced with main.cc of my own, it still insists on finding main.c Jun 13 13:30:43 even though I can't find a reference to main.c anywhere in any of the makefiles, Makefile, Makefile.in or Makefile.am Jun 13 13:31:09 *** No rule to make target 'main.c', needed by 'main.o'. Stop. Jun 13 13:35:34 Mikho: I suggest you use g++ instead of gcc Jun 13 13:35:44 it might get over the C/C++ dillemma. Jun 13 13:36:35 then again, is there a rule por main.o ? Jun 13 13:37:44 Mikho, add empty main.c which only says '#include "main.cc"' ? :) Jun 13 13:38:00 I wonder how to make anjuta use a custom compiler Jun 13 13:38:33 it seems it has a *very* limited setting windows Jun 13 13:39:23 I wouldn't want to resort to a bubblegum solution, I'd like to know why the heck is it trying to find main.c if it isn't mentioned anywhere Jun 13 13:40:02 You will _not_ disparage bubblegum! ;-) Jun 13 13:40:04 if the makefile contains rule to create .o from a .c file Jun 13 13:40:53 anyway, I think the problem is what kaatis says: there's a %.o: %.c rule or main.o: main.c rule messing around. Jun 13 13:42:15 but I can't find the rule Jun 13 13:42:44 and I don't know how to make it compile as c++ Jun 13 13:47:51 hmm... am I supposed to turn on some CFLAGs or something to make it c++? Jun 13 14:00:22 Mikho: you need to change the compiler something like CC = gcc becomes CC = g++ Jun 13 14:05:27 I found a reference to gcc in Makefile.in, but it doesn't help to change the setting, as the file is automatically generated by anjuta Jun 13 14:06:07 but there's no mention of C/C++ choice in any of the Makefile.am or configure.ac files Jun 13 14:06:51 this is useless, maybe I should just forget about anjuta Jun 13 14:08:11 does anybody have good suggestions for C/C++ ide for developing software for 770? Jun 13 14:08:35 already tried eclipse+cde, and emacs won't do Jun 13 14:09:49 vim Jun 13 14:09:55 vim Jun 13 14:10:08 wouldn't just about any ide do Jun 13 14:10:16 no, only vim Jun 13 14:10:46 I'd be willing to accept emacs, but I would secretly be concerned for your soul. Jun 13 14:10:54 well, that's what I thought at first, but after wasting two full days of work with anjuta I've changed my mind Jun 13 14:11:11 kdevelop might be ok Jun 13 14:11:16 hmm Jun 13 14:11:20 I tried that a few years ago Jun 13 14:11:42 using it with sb0.9.x Jun 13 14:11:56 but I'm using gnome Jun 13 14:12:03 it's the only ide worth bothering with Jun 13 14:12:09 Eclipse CDT 4.0 will be released in a few weeks or so. Jun 13 14:12:30 does it support autoconfed projects properly? Jun 13 14:13:12 I seem to recall so. Not sure though. Jun 13 14:13:22 Check their web pages. Jun 13 14:13:45 last time I looked at eclipse's C support it didn't know of anything else but its own pretty pathetic Makefile kludge Jun 13 14:15:32 It supports custom makefiles. But I'm not an expert on that, Eclipse is slow as molasses on every Linux platform I have ever tried it on. Plus I think it crashed parsing my code (KDevelop at least did). Jun 13 14:15:58 custom makefiles I can support equally well using bash Jun 13 14:16:22 I would expect an IDE to at least pretend that it manages the source files to some extent Jun 13 14:16:47 Bash does not do function name autocompletion, integrated debugging and all the other fancy stuff. Jun 13 14:17:05 for C code eclipse is just an enormous text editor Jun 13 14:17:28 ermm Mikho, did you create the new file through Anjuta's file wizard? Jun 13 14:17:32 yes Jun 13 14:17:40 integrated debugging is overrated Jun 13 14:17:40 and you specified C++ Source file? Jun 13 14:18:27 I created a gtk+ project which was in the C section, but checked the enable c++ support box Jun 13 14:18:28 I'm reading the user manual, and it looks like you need to specify the file type when using the "New File" Wizard. Jun 13 14:18:45 specify the file type? Jun 13 14:19:16 http://anjuta.sourceforge.net/documentations/subpage/documents/C/anjuta-manual/anjuta-manual.html Jun 13 14:19:28 "Creating a New File" Jun 13 14:19:37 people who insist on integrated debugging should use python or something like it Jun 13 14:19:39 on Chapter 3 Jun 13 14:20:02 lle2, what's the problem with integrated debugging? :-) Jun 13 14:20:42 not that I usually take advantage of it (printf/cout/cerr are godsends most of the time) Jun 13 14:21:01 well, I'm not sure what that would help as it'd be still looking for main.c Jun 13 14:21:11 Yes, because manuallyt typing breakpoints for mega long C++ function names is fun, fun, fun. Not to mention gdb's wonderful user friendliness. :) Jun 13 14:21:21 * gomiam ponders... Jun 13 14:21:23 gomiam: nothing :) I just don't see the need, print* is enough Jun 13 14:22:14 won't Anjuta give different file extensions depending on the specified File Type? Jun 13 14:22:18 Integrated debugging encourages people to fix symptoms, rather than actually think about the code and understand where the actual problem came from. Jun 13 14:23:46 derf: diagnostics encourage people to fix symptoms. Using integrated debugging or print* doesn't change the outcome. It's the developer's responsability to go beyond the symptoms. Jun 13 14:23:46 what _is_ integrated debugging ? Jun 13 14:23:48 Yes, and programming in any other language than assembler (or dip switches) encourages people to fix symptoms, rather than actually think about the code and understand where the actual problem came from. Jun 13 14:24:01 JussiP: just put bkpt instruction to right place and all is well Jun 13 14:24:10 melmoth: being able to step through the code while it executes. Jun 13 14:24:28 oh. like gdb ;) Can you do that with python ? Jun 13 14:24:36 this woudl be cool Jun 13 14:24:51 Yes you can. See Python's debugger class. Jun 13 14:25:01 sounds nice. Jun 13 14:25:08 well, I created a new main.cxx source file with the wizard and tried to build, but it still lusts and hungers for main.c Jun 13 14:25:25 sounds like a wizard Jun 13 14:26:52 gomiam: There is a big difference between, "I will just watch every value change" and "I can only put so many printfs in, now where do I _think_ the program might be failing?" Jun 13 14:27:10 and what is a 'po' directory? Jun 13 14:27:20 impossible to google Jun 13 14:27:31 place where to put translation file (gettext stuff) i guess Jun 13 14:28:00 I think we can generalize: programming encourages people not to think. Jun 13 14:28:37 derf: is there? You can put enough printfs in to watch everything ;-) (I had to do that at times) Jun 13 14:28:46 it seems something in the 'po' directory refers to main.c Jun 13 14:28:56 now what should I do with the po Jun 13 14:29:01 po... that sounds like localization Jun 13 14:29:53 how do I get rid of it? Jun 13 14:30:09 no idea, I know very little about Anjuta. Jun 13 14:31:41 gomiam: Sure, you _could_, but that's a lot of typing. Somewhere during all that typing, you might decide it's easier on your fingers to exercise your brain. Jun 13 14:31:55 derf, that's what copy&paste is for ;-D Jun 13 14:32:20 anyway, in the end it all comes down to the developer having enough brain to check what really matters. Jun 13 14:32:32 that's not very often the case Jun 13 14:33:16 that's true, too. Jun 13 14:33:34 Just don't write software with bugs. Problem solved. Jun 13 14:33:38 better just run builds with make > /dev/null 2>&1 Jun 13 14:33:38 :-D Jun 13 14:33:46 ok... removed the main.c from POTFILES.in. Now where does it hallucinate the need for main.c from Jun 13 14:34:04 Mikho: may I suggest you grep -R main.c * Jun 13 14:34:20 from the project's home directory. Jun 13 14:34:49 I would suggest not using anjuta Jun 13 14:35:23 lle2: that's another option. It may make harder designing the interface, though. Jun 13 14:35:45 what's wrong with glade (or whatever it is these days)? Jun 13 14:36:57 if I remember that's what anjuta starts up anyway Jun 13 14:37:05 yes, it does. Jun 13 14:38:03 anyway, since Mikho is using Anjuta, I find it better to try and help him learn use it and have everything at once. Your POV may differ. Jun 13 14:38:34 yeah, it does. I'll go away -> Jun 13 14:38:44 XD Jun 13 14:41:17 ok, there's a hidden .deps directory in the src folder, that has two files: callbacks.Po and main.Po Jun 13 14:41:32 Err did the List-id of maemo lists just change? Jun 13 14:41:32 main.Po lists main.c Jun 13 14:41:48 mmm... Jun 13 14:42:04 you created the project as a C project, right? Jun 13 14:42:11 now how can I make the po whatever to completely and utterly forget about main.c, callbacks.c and other auto generated stuff Jun 13 14:42:27 yes Jun 13 14:42:41 you might need to either recreate it as a C++ project or find the Anjuta project file and tinker with it Jun 13 14:43:08 otherwise, Anjuta will stubbornly expect you to use C files mainly. Jun 13 14:43:35 I'd be very disappointed for not finding the setting that forces me to use main.c Jun 13 14:44:12 even though it has complex auto-generated makefile structure and all Jun 13 14:44:24 * gomiam checks Anjuta documentation Jun 13 14:44:54 lool: seems like it. seems to be @lists.maemo.org now instead of @maemo.org.. Jun 13 14:45:13 http://anjuta.sourceforge.net/documentations/subpage/documents/libanjuta/project-wizard-format.html Jun 13 14:45:34 there is the project file format, it seems Jun 13 14:46:25 you would probably need to change the text in <_category> Jun 13 14:46:38 so it suddenly acts as a C++ project. Jun 13 14:47:36 hmm Jun 13 14:47:49 this might create even more problems than it solves, though. Jun 13 14:49:20 back to study for me, though. I'm sorry I can't help you any more right now. Jun 13 14:49:23 good luck Jun 13 14:49:25 ok, thanks Jun 13 14:49:32 anyway Jun 13 15:01:04 hrmm.. it seems nothing updates the files in .deps directory Jun 13 15:01:26 the directory exists there for the sole purpose of hindering my job Jun 13 15:18:28 well, I resolved the problem by changing main.c to main.cpp, but it left some unanswered questions Jun 13 15:18:56 if I add source files, what generates the appropriate .deps file? Jun 13 15:39:42 someone needs to write a new isearch applet that uses firefox search plugin syntax. Jun 13 15:39:58 crying shame to duplicate all that work. Jun 13 16:03:16 Just a check, but is maemo.org supposed to be faster ? Jun 13 16:03:27 Seems to be crawling to me. Jun 13 16:04:45 it's blazingly fast when accessed from within nokia.com Jun 13 16:04:47 ;) Jun 13 16:05:01 Or from google cache ,) Jun 13 16:06:01 Anyway, it seems like it's creating the pages on-fly. Any decent content management system knows how to cache page content for static pages. Jun 13 16:06:06 Or semi static. Jun 13 16:06:24 How midgard is so slow is just beyond me. Jun 13 16:07:24 I actually develop a proprietary CM system as my paying job at the moment. Jun 13 16:09:19 maybe it tries to be somehow cute with ip addresses, and since all nokians probably go out through a couple of fixed proxies, we get fast response Jun 13 16:09:55 either that or the hosting provider is shaping traffic Jun 13 16:11:21 in any case I would consider changing career to an IBM solutions engineer if I'd be responsible for the technical implementation of maemo.org Jun 13 16:12:21 Ahh.. seems faster now for me as well Jun 13 16:12:32 Perhaps there was something just slowing everything down for me. Jun 13 16:12:54 My apologies! Jun 13 16:13:14 you had thousands of bt downloads in the background? Jun 13 16:13:44 nope. nothing. Jun 13 17:33:11 * k-s[WORK] is away: lunch... Jun 13 18:33:41 <_Shurik_> hola fellow tableteers Jun 13 18:34:17 <_Shurik_> anyone was able to connect ad-hoc XP to n800? Jun 13 18:34:27 <_Shurik_> via wifi Jun 13 18:43:01 _Shurik_: never tried, but sure it works.. Jun 13 18:43:54 <_Shurik_> I agree :) I just haven't spent much time figuring it out Jun 13 18:51:40 _Shurik_: I have Jun 13 18:52:17 <_Shurik_> how did you make it broadcast itself as an access point so n800 can find it? Jun 13 18:52:32 no special setting Jun 13 18:52:41 just set it as an ad-hoc network Jun 13 18:52:46 and specify some ssid you want Jun 13 18:52:58 the ip is a bit tricky Jun 13 18:53:12 windows xp in automatic mode attempts to see if the other end has a dhcp server running Jun 13 18:53:20 <_Shurik_> aha Jun 13 18:53:21 so I recommend you specify static ips Jun 13 18:53:31 <_Shurik_> in tablet you mean? Jun 13 18:53:40 in both tablet and windows xp Jun 13 18:53:48 to avoid the dhcp server check by windows xp Jun 13 18:54:00 once you associate it will attempt to see if the n800 has a dhcp server running Jun 13 18:54:06 which it doesnt Jun 13 18:54:23 so you either have to provide one or use static ips in both ends Jun 13 18:54:44 <_Shurik_> hmm okay. How about connection via bluetooth? Would that be easier? Jun 13 18:54:57 thats similar Jun 13 18:55:01 <_Shurik_> there's only one place where I have no wireless connection and would like to share ethernet to tablet Jun 13 18:55:16 I 've done it before with linux on one end though and n800 on the other Jun 13 18:55:20 <_Shurik_> I'm trying to avoid static IP if possible Jun 13 18:55:29 then install a dhcp server Jun 13 18:55:35 I have written my own Jun 13 18:55:37 in python Jun 13 18:55:39 <_Shurik_> I might need to research this, since I really don't use BT for anything else on laptop Jun 13 18:55:42 it just allocates an ip Jun 13 18:55:48 <_Shurik_> hmm, interesting Jun 13 18:56:53 I wish the wireless driver was open source Jun 13 18:57:15 <_Shurik_> :) Jun 13 19:03:58 ins't bt plainfully slow? Jun 13 19:05:00 for moving large files yes.. Jun 13 19:05:05 for browsing the internet.. no Jun 13 19:05:20 and streaming audio (what I do the moost) Jun 13 19:05:29 ? Jun 13 19:05:53 what kind of audio? Jun 13 19:05:59 shoutcasts etc.. just fine Jun 13 19:06:36 it wasnt Jun 13 19:06:48 mp3 Jun 13 19:07:01 I was transfering files accross the bt tunnel through sftp Jun 13 19:07:04 at a decent speed Jun 13 19:07:25 alright. Jun 13 19:07:54 sending even small videos taken on my phone already takes ages Jun 13 19:08:04 from phone to n800 Jun 13 19:30:11 hi Jun 13 19:30:22 <_Shurik_> ðùäô Jun 13 19:30:23 <_Shurik_> hola Jun 13 19:30:25 <_Shurik_> sorry Jun 13 19:30:51 i want unlock my nokia can u help me ??? ;-) Jun 13 19:31:29 3310 Jun 13 19:31:51 <_Shurik_> where did you lock your nokia? Jun 13 19:32:19 <_Shurik_> most of the drawers can be easily pryed open with little force Jun 13 19:38:17 beats me what unlocking 3310 and maemo have to do with each other Jun 13 19:39:22 it's so old anyways that you could unlock it with little googling.. Jun 13 19:48:37 ukmp 1.2 released today. https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/1621/UKMP-1.2.deb Jun 13 19:48:48 I'll make a blog entry soon. Jun 13 19:49:06 1.2 version includes Party (or queue) mode. Also supports cover.jpg files in mp3 folders. Will skip any folders titled: Maps. This improves living besides maemo mapper. Accidental clicks in cover view have been handled a bit better. Jun 13 19:51:02 Party mode is way cool and easy way to make a playlist for the next hour ... four hours... or however long. Jun 13 20:01:24 <_Shurik_> does it have an EQ? Jun 13 20:13:34 Nope Jun 13 20:14:01 Ahh.. Blog is now online. Have a look at the new party mode (includes screenshots) Jun 13 20:14:02 http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/2007/06/ukmp-12.html Jun 13 20:14:10 <_Shurik_> Most of the times it's not required, but somtimes I'd like to have one so bad. Jun 13 20:14:25 I hear you. I know the feeling. Jun 13 20:15:06 But, alas, it's not on my roadmap for a long time. Sorry to disappoint you, there are just too many more important features to be made. Jun 13 20:15:09 <_Shurik_> in the car it's easier, you can do some equalizing via stereo Jun 13 20:15:13 <_Shurik_> but in headphones... Jun 13 20:15:15 true Jun 13 20:15:38 yeah. I hope Nokia will include EQ in the future firmware. Jun 13 20:15:39 <_Shurik_> well that's fine, I will check your new release tonight Jun 13 20:15:51 Cool. Have you used 1.1? Jun 13 20:16:25 <_Shurik_> not yet, I just got n800 last week. Haven't settled in yet! Jun 13 20:21:26 Here is a short introduction video on the ukmp 1.0: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCIANUJ-ctg Jun 13 20:23:41 Hi to all Jun 13 20:27:38 hi! Jun 13 20:32:25 The Nokia 8600 Luna uses a single micro-USB port for a streamlined design free of extraneous indentations; it allows owners to streamline common activities - like charging, audio and data connectivity - into a single connection. Quad-band GSM support also allows owners to easily stay connected while they are on the road, while the large, bright display is perfect for sharing images captured with the 2 megapixel camera. Jun 13 20:32:42 I hope N900 will also support charging from USB Jun 13 20:33:51 hmm Jun 13 20:33:52 hopefully Jun 13 20:34:05 <_Shurik_> what N900?? :) I just got N800 Jun 13 20:34:17 heey, does anyone know if there is a good math program that has some funktions of a graphical calculator like for example the TI voyage 200? Jun 13 20:35:01 <_Shurik_> hmm, that's an interesting concept Jun 13 20:35:03 <_Shurik_> TI emulator Jun 13 20:35:03 It's a speculative name for the next internettablet ;) Jun 13 20:35:15 there was ti emu before. Jun 13 20:35:28 <_Shurik_> well, I'd think they would either drop the "N" and call it 900 or use some other letter, preferably cyrillics Jun 13 20:35:33 <_Shurik_> like ß900 Jun 13 20:35:34 I don't know if it works on the latest firmware Jun 13 20:35:48 does anybody know how could I get to use makedepend inside scratchbox? Jun 13 20:35:52 ti emu emulates? Jun 13 20:35:54 Indeed. Or just go for a plaing chinese name Jun 13 20:36:05 I should install xutils-dev package, but where is it? Jun 13 20:36:08 is it fast? Jun 13 20:36:15 <_Shurik_> no, russians were involved in the first 2 designes Jun 13 20:37:01 chinese have also been involved in the first two Jun 13 20:37:09 so that's kinda moot point Jun 13 20:37:35 as well as around 30+ other different nationalities Jun 13 20:38:16 <_Shurik_> fine... Jun 13 20:38:17 <_Shurik_> :) Jun 13 20:39:09 I'm convinced there are a few extra terrestrials as well Jun 13 20:39:32 <_Shurik_> but their codenames were Sputnik and Soyuz Jun 13 20:39:42 <_Shurik_> so looks like us, Russians, had an upper hand there :-D Jun 13 20:40:06 nope, those were picked by very, very finnish people living in a cold, dark city called Oulu Jun 13 20:40:41 and you've got only one of them right Jun 13 20:40:42 <_Shurik_> and as I was almost tasting a victory.. Jun 13 20:41:11 <_Shurik_> that's what maemo.org says thoug Jun 13 20:41:14 <_Shurik_> Device Codenames Jun 13 20:41:14 <_Shurik_> Jun 13 20:41:14 <_Shurik_> * Soyuz: Codename that was apparently used for the N800. Reported here, see also photos. Jun 13 20:41:14 <_Shurik_> * Sputnik: Codename for N770 device (also SU-18) here here Jun 13 20:41:22 haha Jun 13 20:41:49 that's incorrect Jun 13 20:42:48 sputnik part is right Jun 13 20:43:13 <_Shurik_> well, now I have 3 favorite things that came from Finland: Finland vodka, Tupu Tapu and N800 Jun 13 20:43:25 <_Shurik_> what was the 770? Gagarin? Jun 13 20:43:36 770 = sputnik Jun 13 20:43:42 n800 = gagarin Jun 13 20:43:46 <_Shurik_> ah, okay Jun 13 20:43:52 <_Shurik_> either way Jun 13 20:44:02 <_Shurik_> can't wait for N900 "Stalin" Jun 13 20:44:08 heh ;) Jun 13 20:44:26 <_Shurik_> with HD mind reader Jun 13 20:44:27 now is it possible to actually browse the maemo scratchbox repositories? Jun 13 20:45:08 maemo scratchbox repos? Jun 13 20:45:13 I need to find the correct package to install to make makedepend work Jun 13 20:45:32 inside scratchbox Jun 13 20:45:40 hmm, can't you just build it using host-gcc inside sbox? Jun 13 20:46:28 or better yet use sb2 :) Jun 13 20:46:35 sb2? Jun 13 20:46:55 <_Shurik_> scratch box 2? Jun 13 20:47:02 http://freedesktop.org/Software/sbox2 Jun 13 20:47:23 in normal linux environment, if I'm missing a tool, it's easy to just enter it in the package manager search and just install packgages Jun 13 20:47:45 inside scratchbox even the tab-completion in apt-get install doesn't work Jun 13 20:47:51 with sb2 that's all you need to do, it uses your host's binaries Jun 13 20:48:40 this sb2... does it work? Jun 13 20:48:42 it may have some rough edges though, but they only help build character Jun 13 20:49:00 I've used it to build some stuff Jun 13 20:49:16 kdrive xserver doesn't build, some crap with libtool Jun 13 20:49:28 I've already spent quite much time to make the plain scratchbox work Jun 13 20:49:29 but quite a few things seem to build Jun 13 20:50:03 sb2 is simple to install, just take a look at the readme, link is on the fdo page Jun 13 20:50:25 hm Jun 13 20:50:35 it will hopefully make it to debian/unstable soon Jun 13 20:51:04 so people can just apt-get install scratchbox2 Jun 13 20:51:31 but isn't scratchbox supposed to be an independent environment than my host? Jun 13 20:51:53 yeah, sb1 is that way, sb2 is different Jun 13 20:52:01 way smaller Jun 13 20:52:26 about 1/2000th of sb1's size Jun 13 20:52:28 can't find tiemu for the 770.. Jun 13 20:52:40 can someone help? Jun 13 20:53:00 so if I install this sb2, I could live happily with my 770 forever? Jun 13 20:53:08 no idea :) Jun 13 20:53:15 it's work in progress Jun 13 20:53:21 I'll gladly help if you hit issues Jun 13 20:53:54 <_Shurik_> I think its time for n800 Jun 13 20:53:57 I personally refuse to touch sb1 Jun 13 20:54:47 but obviously it is the official maemo build environment, for now Jun 13 20:55:52 I'm just trying to install the hello_world application from the tutorial to my 770. For that, I need to make a debian package out of it. For that, I need to create a makefile with correctly set dependencies. And for that, I need makedepend, and preferably without having to write paths like /scratchbox/users/mipoloja/targets/ARMEL etc into the makefile Jun 13 20:56:25 can't you use gcc -E -M or some such to generate the dependencies? Jun 13 20:56:27 maybe I should try sb2 next Jun 13 20:56:36 no idea, I'm a newbie Jun 13 20:56:57 I think you can Jun 13 20:57:00 tried to follow a makefile tutorial Jun 13 20:57:04 oh Jun 13 20:57:19 try to avoid makedepend Jun 13 20:57:25 so what does -E -M do? Jun 13 20:57:32 spits out the same stuff Jun 13 20:57:51 it's a bit difficult to man gcc, as it has zillions of options Jun 13 20:58:11 true Jun 13 20:58:50 well, try man gcc, /-M, hit 'n' a couple of times Jun 13 20:58:53 hmm if this -E -M works I'd be delighted Jun 13 21:00:07 err, since when does making a debian package need a makefile with correctly set dependencies Jun 13 21:01:24 suihkulokki: maybe that started today? trends come and go so fast these days Jun 13 21:02:33 well, I started out following the debian maintenance tutorial and it happily assumed there's a makefile in the program root, and dh_make seemed to complain about it so I assumed I need a makefile Jun 13 21:03:35 doesn't the tutorial contain a sample makefile or something? Jun 13 21:03:49 in addition, there doesn't seem to be a reasonable choice of IDE that would manage makefiles for me Jun 13 21:04:22 aha, now we can redo the IDE discussion from earlier Jun 13 21:04:34 yes Jun 13 21:04:42 anjuta just seems to complicate things Jun 13 21:05:43 IDE:s usually do ;) Jun 13 21:05:46 I'm beginning to understand why people say things like vi/vim/emacs when I ask for IDE recommendations Jun 13 21:07:21 just download some existing application sources and build it Jun 13 21:07:36 hey, "g++ -E -M `pkg-config hildon-libs --cflags` main.cpp" seems to work! Jun 13 21:07:49 woo-hoo Jun 13 21:08:19 IDE would be ok if nokia preconfigured it and created wizards and shit to make the whole thing painless, but since nokia doesn't do that, IDEs suck Jun 13 21:11:04 I still think the best way would be a perfectly made vmware image. (but that's just me) Jun 13 21:11:43 I'd like that! Jun 13 21:11:49 or qemu.. Jun 13 21:14:15 lle2: carbide.c++ is starting to be okayish for symbian dev..(well.. thats relative of course, since symbian tools are so crap) Jun 13 21:14:40 nice! I proceeded into linker errors when running make Jun 13 21:16:26 lle2: thanks! your tip was very helpful Jun 13 21:16:49 I actually managed to make my hello world by using custom Makefile Jun 13 21:17:59 Mikho: np :) Jun 13 21:18:28 now for some fine tuning... Jun 13 21:19:01 is there a convention for placing compiled source (=object) files? Jun 13 21:19:46 src, bin or obj maybe? Jun 13 21:20:48 well, I typically leave them in the same dir as sources Jun 13 21:21:03 Everyone does. Jun 13 21:21:16 hmm, my makefile seems to throw them in the root, even though the sources are in src Jun 13 21:21:20 And tool support for putting them anywhere else is "poor", so you might as well get used to it. Jun 13 21:21:52 the rule is: Jun 13 21:21:59 %.o: %.cpp Jun 13 21:22:19 (tab) $(CC) $(CFLAGS) -c $< Jun 13 21:23:08 VPATH variable is set to src Jun 13 21:23:19 get rid of the VPATH Jun 13 21:23:34 it'd still find the source file? Jun 13 21:23:44 should Jun 13 21:24:07 you should only need it if you want to support putting obj files into a separate dir tree Jun 13 21:25:18 ok Jun 13 21:29:37 now this is weird, it thinks main.o is compiled and tries to link even though it isn't ready Jun 13 21:36:17 it seems the generated dependency list somehow messes up the search for the real object file Jun 13 21:37:22 how can I combine the dependencies and the build instructions for main.o? Jun 13 21:38:25 actually, even if I remove the "include .depends", it can't find the rule to make object files Jun 13 21:38:50 I would do something like: Jun 13 21:38:53 objects = main.o Jun 13 21:39:07 why doesn't it suddencly accept %.o : %.cpp ? Jun 13 21:39:40 this is pointless Jun 13 21:39:49 there are millions of makefiles out there Jun 13 21:40:44 oh, it says it can't find the rule even if it just can't find the source file Jun 13 22:08:09 is gnome an option for the n800 yet? Jun 13 22:08:36 should it be? Jun 13 22:15:58 Have you seen the archos 704? 800x480 7" screen. Opera 9. Jun 13 22:16:00 http://www.archos.com/products/video/archos_704wifi/index.html?country=global&lang=en Jun 13 22:28:12 nomis:....hmm, not really. Jun 13 22:31:10 Knowledge: if you're looking for alternatives to the hildon desktop you might want to have a look at GPE. Jun 13 22:31:48 nomis: I'm sorry if I sound ignorant, but is GPE Covered in the forums? Jun 13 22:31:57 what forums? Jun 13 22:32:21 iTt Jun 13 22:32:41 Knowledge: no idea, I don't care about that forum. Jun 13 22:32:43 Knowledge: http://gpe.linuxtogo.org/ Jun 13 22:34:22 nomis: gotcha Jun 13 22:34:25 thank you for the info Jun 14 01:54:40 hello Jun 14 01:55:04 will maemo run on a sharp zaurus? Jun 14 02:07:10 hi all, I want to see mouse cursor in my device. does anyone know how to do it? Jun 14 02:07:29 I'm using Xfbdev Jun 14 02:07:39 sorry Jun 14 02:07:42 I'm using maemo Jun 14 02:07:56 maemo + fbdev Jun 14 02:08:59 but when matchbox starts, mouse cursor disappear Jun 14 02:09:05 any idea? Jun 14 02:09:16 thanks in advance !! Jun 14 02:10:48 dragon: thanks for you last comment, I solved my problem with Xfbdev using parameter "-keybd keyboard" **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jun 14 02:59:57 2007