**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jun 14 02:59:57 2007 Jun 14 03:38:02 Human Interface Device profiles Jun 14 03:38:09 supported by n800.... Jun 14 03:38:48 i want to open a file with the extension .hid....its a remote control for winamp...... Jun 14 03:38:57 any help on how i go about doing this? Jun 14 03:39:27 my n800 is paired with my notebook... Jun 14 05:34:46 * cesman is away: Gone away for now. Jun 14 07:24:55 konttori, gobject.GError: no element 'tremor' (in Mediacenter line 265 create GSTOGGPlayer) Jun 14 07:25:00 does this ring a bell of some sort ? Jun 14 07:25:06 Yeah Jun 14 07:25:12 You need to install ogg plugin. Jun 14 07:25:24 http://ogg.garage.maemo.org/ogg-support.install Jun 14 07:25:29 oki. Jun 14 07:25:42 dont forget to set the dependencie in the deb file :) Jun 14 07:25:49 thanks for the info Jun 14 07:26:03 I don't consider it a dependency, as not all need ogg support Jun 14 07:26:15 And that package is not a small one, as you can see when you install it Jun 14 07:27:19 I added a comment on ogg install to the blog post. Jun 14 07:30:19 Also, ogg support isn't complete yet. It plays only one song at a time and you have to press the dpad right to move to next song. Jun 14 07:30:32 ah. Jun 14 07:30:37 I recommend using mainly mp3 files. Jun 14 07:30:39 well; it s a start :) Jun 14 07:30:50 wont work with me. Jun 14 07:30:55 half of my music is in ogg Jun 14 07:30:55 Yeah. I't only a matter of detecting end of file. Jun 14 07:31:09 Look on the bright side: Half of it is in mp3! Jun 14 07:31:13 :) Jun 14 07:31:54 Also, seeking doesn't work, as the ogg plugin doesn't support seeking (or so I've heard) Jun 14 07:31:55 oh, and what about having the skin color being a preference so one can avoid having 2 entry in the menu ? Jun 14 07:32:07 Will come in future releases Jun 14 07:32:17 kewl Jun 14 07:32:53 Just one of those comprmises one has to make sometimes. Jun 14 07:33:47 oh, cool, the volume buttons just work as it should :) Jun 14 07:34:32 Yeah. Although I was considering using them for next song/previous song at some point. Jun 14 07:34:48 But then wen't for the 'official' approach of using dpad left/right Jun 14 07:34:53 went even Jun 14 07:41:56 konttori, do you use the maemo svn repository daily ? Jun 14 07:42:02 nope Jun 14 07:42:04 because i only see add, no updates . Jun 14 07:42:25 Hmm. Is there another repository one can checkout the latest and greatest devel version ? Jun 14 07:42:35 Nope Jun 14 07:42:43 Hmm. Jun 14 07:42:54 any reason why you dont use the garage svn ? Jun 14 07:42:56 it would be... Jun 14 07:42:57 cool ? Jun 14 07:43:02 Well, considering it's python, you can just unpack the deb to your hd and mess with the code Jun 14 07:43:17 yep, but i dont know what you may be working on Jun 14 07:43:33 Yeah. Reason is that I'm currently in the process of moving to use eclipse and my current editor doesn't support svn Jun 14 07:44:23 Hey, just launch a "svn commit -m 'daily commit'" daily in a shell Jun 14 07:44:29 I was using subetha edit for quite a long time. Now, that's a great collaborative coding system Jun 14 07:44:30 it will work whatever editor you are using Jun 14 07:45:04 Hmm.. I'll consider that. Jun 14 07:46:20 I could put that as a macro to komodo. Jun 14 07:47:58 i dont know, i just use emacs to edit file , and commit stuff with the svn commands when stuff works. Jun 14 08:00:06 grumble; tuomas.kulve.fi does not seems to propose the ogg gstreamer thingy for i386... Jun 14 08:02:01 those are for armel only Jun 14 08:03:03 i think i will have a closer look at gstreamer ogg and ukmp when everything will be smotthly commitable using svn on a scratchbox :) Jun 14 08:03:36 cool. Jun 14 08:03:50 the ogg stuff is just upstream packages compiled to armel Jun 14 08:03:57 plus the mime types etc for maemo Jun 14 08:04:21 actually there is some small changes in ogg gst plugin.. Jun 14 08:04:27 :) Jun 14 08:04:42 doesn't linux have ogg support by default (on desktop)? Jun 14 08:04:49 yup Jun 14 08:04:55 please put stuff on a svn somewhere, or at least a repo with the src deb Jun 14 08:04:56 (of course) Jun 14 08:05:33 melmoth: I didn't see it neccessary to put those in svn, since they mostly the untouched upstream packages.. Jun 14 08:05:44 I could keep the (small) patches in svn though.. Jun 14 08:05:53 melmoth: If you are up to it, it would be great if ogg would switch from GST_STATE_PLAYING to something else when it finishes playing. Jun 14 08:06:21 e.g. GST_STATE_NULL Jun 14 08:06:32 or GST_STATE_PAUSED (or whatever) Jun 14 08:06:43 konttori: hmm..? Jun 14 08:06:44 i know nothing about gstreamer, but after a first feel of ukmp, it is worth taking some times to see if it s a trivial stuff to do, and then try, or not, and then wait somebody does it :) Jun 14 08:08:33 Well, I can probably do it in ukmp as well in a few steps another way, but it would just make sense to fix the ogg gstreamer component as well (as other programs might like to use it as well) Jun 14 08:09:10 Also, would rock if it could give current position in some format. Jun 14 08:09:18 I'm currently querying: self.player.query_position(gst.FORMAT_TIME) Jun 14 08:09:28 I think the stop/pause/play with oggs (using the integer stuff) is working just fine Jun 14 08:09:43 with the ivorbisdec Jun 14 08:09:56 (or was it vorbisidec) Jun 14 08:10:04 Ahh.. I'm using tremor. Should I switch to ivorbis? Jun 14 08:10:20 Aloha! Jun 14 08:10:55 konttori: I think you should try it out Jun 14 08:11:05 me too :) Jun 14 08:11:22 Just put a package. Jun 14 08:11:22 tremor didn't need oggdemux, right? ivorbis does, iirc. Jun 14 08:11:27 Testing on device now Jun 14 08:11:34 they should both be there Jun 14 08:13:13 So, how should I change this to include the demux: gst.parse_launch( "gnomevfssrc name=source ! ivorbisdec name=decoder ! dsppcmsink name=sink" ) Jun 14 08:13:34 gnomevfssrc name=source ! oggdemux ! .. Jun 14 08:13:47 good morning Jun 14 08:13:50 * konttori had to reboot N800 because it wouldn't mount MMC cards. A sec before testing can commence Jun 14 08:21:12 dexing worked. It's playing a file now. Jun 14 08:21:25 I'll just ait until it stops playing and see i it's able to move to next song. Jun 14 08:21:45 is ivorbis less stressfull for the processor? Jun 14 08:21:50 than tremor Jun 14 08:21:57 I think they are about the same Jun 14 08:22:09 I would guess the actual codec is the same code Jun 14 08:22:20 but I just wildly guessing here :) Jun 14 08:22:23 +'m Jun 14 08:24:33 worked perfectly Jun 14 08:24:40 thanks! Jun 14 08:25:01 np :) Jun 14 08:26:31 \o/ Jun 14 08:31:01 I added a 1.3 dev to garage for you melmoth: https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/1622/UKMP-1.3-dev.deb Jun 14 08:31:12 So that you can play the other half as well ;) Jun 14 08:31:59 ok, seeking doesn't work in that. Jun 14 08:32:01 shame. Jun 14 08:32:12 But it's already an improvement Jun 14 08:32:37 yeah, we don't have seeking either Jun 14 08:32:46 and we haven't really had time to check it out Jun 14 08:41:28 Does anybody know, how to use GUNIT in ARMEL target? Jun 14 08:43:13 konttori, cool i will probably have look at it tonight, or this week end :) Jun 14 08:43:21 I have force installed the libgunit_0.5.2-2_arm.deb and gunit-hildon_0.1.2-1_arm.deb on the scracthbox. But I can not compile my gunit test code. It gives error "ERROR: Source object //usr/lib/libgunithildon.so has EABI version 0, but target test-send-receive has EABI version 4" Jun 14 08:44:24 the debian architecture in maemo was arm long time ago. Now it's armel Jun 14 08:44:35 so you need new versions of those deb packages Jun 14 08:44:42 recompiling should be enough Jun 14 08:45:41 kulve: Where to find armel deb packages for those libraries? Jun 14 08:45:55 dunno, I have no idead what gunit is Jun 14 08:46:07 -d Jun 14 08:46:21 kulve: gunit is for unit test. Jun 14 08:46:35 where did you get them? Jun 14 08:46:49 https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=112 Jun 14 08:47:11 But there is no packages for armel target. Jun 14 08:47:21 try getting the .dsc and .tar.gz Jun 14 08:47:31 then dpkg-source -x file.dsc Jun 14 08:47:38 then cd justcreateddireectory Jun 14 08:47:45 then dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot Jun 14 08:48:11 kulve: I will try it now, thanks a lot. Jun 14 08:49:04 that will produce you the armel debs *if* the APIs haven't changed (and they are at least somewhat) Jun 14 10:35:23 Hello, all! Have anyone configured WPA-EAP on n800? I imported my certificate, but it doesn't appear in combobox in connection manager. Jun 14 10:37:37 By the way will nokia lauch the firmware tomorrow? Jun 14 10:38:12 konttori: Hm what firmware? Jun 14 10:38:30 next firmware Jun 14 10:40:26 well, it's been speculated that might be coming soon. At least on the internettablettalk forums Jun 14 10:40:43 Can't remember where they got the impression that it would be coming out now Jun 14 10:52:15 I have Gtk::TreeView in my program which I'm clearing and updating. If I tap treeview furiously it will give "GLIB-GObject g_value_unset: assertion G_IS_VALUE(value) failed", some other critical errors and finally segmentation fault. Would someone know why this is happening? Jun 14 10:52:57 Gathaja, i had a similar issues. Jun 14 10:53:08 wait , let me find the bug again Jun 14 10:53:15 but dont be too happy, it s still in NEW state :) Jun 14 10:53:42 :) Jun 14 10:53:57 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1450 Jun 14 10:54:09 it segfaulted when i was recreating a fresh model Jun 14 10:54:18 if i just clear() the model, everything is fine Jun 14 10:54:47 so i really dont know if it the same as you. Jun 14 10:56:32 yep, I clear it and then put new rows to the model Jun 14 10:56:54 seems I need to make an account to that page Jun 14 10:57:14 i dont know. When in doubt, it may be a better idea to open a separate bug Jun 14 10:57:57 Gathaja, if you can make a short test case, posting it on the maemo devel list may help as well Jun 14 10:58:19 there was an interesting one recently (that ended up in bugzilla anyway :) ) Jun 14 10:59:57 okay Jun 14 11:22:15 hmm, seems that there's no unset_model() in gtkmm eventhough it's in the documentation Jun 14 11:22:39 for treeview Jun 14 11:45:25 why does gnome_vfs_open report "invalid uri"? Jun 14 11:46:36 maybe you have invalid uri? Jun 14 11:47:11 it works in browser ... Jun 14 11:47:54 browsers go to amazing lenghts to deal with crappy input. Jun 14 11:47:54 what's the uri? Jun 14 11:49:19 here's one: http://mt0.google.com/mt?n=404?v=w2.17&x=8&y=8&zoom=13 Jun 14 11:51:50 works here Jun 14 11:52:00 but maybe th eextra question mark is the issue. does http://mt0.google.com/mt?n=404%3fv=w2.17&x=8&y=8&zoom=13 work? Jun 14 11:52:06 taneli: is your opemode correct? Jun 14 11:54:40 actually it should almost certainly be & Jun 14 11:55:18 Hey all. I need to create a CGI app for N770 that digs stuff from the addressbook. I was going to open the abook with osso_abook_init_with_name etc. but this needs osso_context and I can't get osso_initialize to return it. Is there something that prevents osso_initialize from within a CGI? Jun 14 11:56:04 kulve: GNOME_VFS_OPEN_READ right? Jun 14 11:56:17 taneli: yep Jun 14 12:11:06 It appears that http:// gives invalid uri, what could be wrong... Jun 14 12:12:32 maybe your gnome-vfs doesn't support http? Jun 14 12:13:46 that's possible, why wouldn't it? I'm on N800 Jun 14 12:15:52 at least there seems to be libhttp.so on 770 Jun 14 12:17:44 'gnomevfs-cat http://google.com' seems to work ok on N800 Jun 14 12:18:30 as it does here, now I'm puzzled ... Jun 14 13:55:01 Hi, i'm having a really annoying bug with text input with opera: http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/1674/n800bugwi9.png Jun 14 13:55:51 Anybody else experiencing this? Jun 14 13:58:28 Anybody that can help me? Jun 14 13:59:30 I have problems with the on screen keyboard going insane and CApitaLIzing things oddly in Opera Jun 14 13:59:35 but not that particular problem no Jun 14 14:00:55 It's pretty frustrating. I have to write things in the notepad then paste them over. Jun 14 14:01:25 yeah, me too Jun 14 14:01:42 or, even better, on a laptop and then transfer them across the USB cable :-) Jun 14 14:04:19 Other apps work fine with text input, just opera that borks Jun 14 14:04:40 Didn't get that on 770 at least Jun 14 14:07:35 Bobsworth: yeah, its a known issue I think Jun 14 14:08:04 Hmm, opera doesn't appear in the application manager, so I can't easily reinstall it, or did they give it some other name? Jun 14 14:08:24 its part of the base system Jun 14 14:08:51 Tigert, haven't seen anything alse about it on the internet Jun 14 14:09:17 I keep on meaning to check bug reports for N800 and file them if they're not there... but I'm too lazy Jun 14 14:09:25 and there's so many bugs that it would just take too long... Jun 14 14:11:46 Text handling in minimo isn't too good either, it keeps closing the full screen keyboard Jun 14 14:12:32 And doesn't show the text of the field when it does let you open it Jun 14 14:13:07 Or is it just my tablet? Jun 14 14:22:02 * Sho_ can't get Minimo installed because the download times out all the time ... great server Jun 14 14:32:41 hmm, did someone trip over the power cord of bugs.maemo.org ;) Jun 14 14:35:42 This really illustrate my problem, I entered the numbers ONCE opening and closing the keyboard a few times, look what happens: http://www.glowfoto.com/viewimage.php?y=2007&m=06&img=14-073132L&t=png&rand=6794&srv=img5 Jun 14 14:40:19 Bobs, open-close-open-close causes trouble on 770 too Jun 14 14:43:24 Is it as bad as that? Aren't there any fixes? Jun 14 14:45:34 hello world Jun 14 14:45:44 * timeless is looking for someone familiar w/ apt and dist-upgrade Jun 14 14:46:05 specifically i'm wondering if i can do apt dist-upgrade -r /some_other_root Jun 14 14:50:01 Is it possible to run thttpd with python pages being served to create an ajax application with the maemo platform? Jun 14 14:51:46 timeless, doesn't look like you're gonna get much help here. My knowledge barely extends beyond apt-get moo :P Jun 14 14:52:02 * timeless nods Jun 14 14:52:27 i should just try it Jun 14 14:53:26 sounds like a famoust last word... Jun 14 14:54:04 zbrown, at least you can use nginx and php ;) Jun 14 14:56:15 hmmm Jun 14 14:56:39 I managed to set up my hello world using autotools \o/ Jun 14 14:56:58 now, making the debian package should be simple Jun 14 15:00:14 Hmm, I think I should update my nginx package Jun 14 15:00:31 The current package is 0.5.13 and current nginx is 0.5.25 Jun 14 15:06:15 So, no advice on opera textarea borking? Jun 14 15:08:17 Well, goodbye then Jun 14 15:10:24 hello Jun 14 15:11:04 can some guru help me? How can I run osso-backup with root priveleges? Jun 14 15:12:13 the only way i have found so far to launch it from terminal is through maemo-invoker: exec maemo-invoker /usr/bin/osso-backup.launch Jun 14 15:12:30 The funny thing is that ps shows maemo-invoker running as root, with child process osso-backup.launch running as "user". Jun 14 15:50:28 can some guru help me? How can I run osso-backup with root priveleges? Jun 14 15:51:18 hello! How can I run osso-backup with root priveleges? Jun 14 15:53:19 JMFX, a) it is not very polite to keep asking the same question over and over, b) why do you need to, c) run-standalone.sh maemo-summoner /usr/bin/osso-backup.launch Jun 14 16:18:29 inz, thank you for reply, I am just mad with that simplest thing that just does not work. I need to be able to backup and restore my custom settings after reflash without manual chmoding. run-standalone.sh does not work from console for osso-backup. The only way i have found so far to launch it from terminal is through maemo-invoker: exec maemo-invoker /usr/bin/osso-backup.launch. The funny thing is that ps shows maemo-invoker running as root, with child process Jun 14 16:21:35 <`0660> i didn't know they already published the new firmware :) Jun 14 16:22:56 <`0660> hmm, i should probably add "new firmware" to my hilights :) Jun 14 16:28:05 inz, thank you very much, "run-standalone.sh maemo-summoner /usr/bin/osso-backup.launch" perfectly worked from root console. Jun 14 17:42:20 * Mikho issues an official thanks for everyone who's helped me with my efforts in installing a hello-world program on the n770 device Jun 14 17:42:25 I finally made it Jun 14 17:42:56 -> beer Jun 14 17:43:25 <_Shurik_> congrats! Jun 14 17:43:44 <_Shurik_> I will be messing with it next and pretty sure will ask you some questions :) Jun 14 17:45:00 I'd be happy to help everyone with the problems I've faced and solved thus far Jun 14 17:45:17 <_Shurik_> awsome! Jun 14 18:25:47 ah crap, that sucks Jun 14 18:26:59 my n770 keeps rebooting.. only the "NOKIA" splash comes up and after a few seconds it reboots again Jun 14 18:27:44 <_Shurik_> gotta re-flash it from linux Jun 14 18:27:56 but whats the problem? Jun 14 18:28:08 <_Shurik_> did you just flash a new kernel? Jun 14 18:28:12 no Jun 14 18:28:22 <_Shurik_> just happened? Jun 14 18:28:57 i have this problem since a few month, normaly it comes up again after some dozen times rebooting Jun 14 18:29:07 <_Shurik_> I would re-flash it really Jun 14 18:29:24 <_Shurik_> that happened to me when I was upgrading firmware. Well... on my n800 Jun 14 18:29:27 <_Shurik_> I don't have 770 Jun 14 18:29:43 <_Shurik_> but before any servicing I would reflash the whole thing Jun 14 18:36:37 can i backup my n770 image with the flasher somehow? Jun 14 18:58:14 Is there any way to increase the number of simultaneous SSH logins allowed in maemo? 6 seems like too few. I need at least 8. Jun 14 19:00:46 <`0660> why not use screen? Jun 14 19:02:03 I can't install it on my n800 for some reason. Some missing dep. Jun 14 19:02:09 Doesn't screen use a TTY? Jun 14 19:07:41 why do you need that many, btw? Jun 14 19:11:04 Has there been a new firmware release for the N800 recently? Jun 14 19:14:54 kakos: in may, afaik Jun 14 19:15:08 Hmmm Jun 14 19:15:16 I kept hearing talk about a firmware with Skype or some crap Jun 14 19:15:22 Wondering if I missed something Jun 14 19:15:45 Sho_N800: development crap. Need lotsa sessions. Jun 14 19:16:07 kakos: think that's due Q4 or something. Jun 14 19:16:12 later this year anyway. Jun 14 19:17:28 trevarth1n: ah. just got mine the other day, no dev'ing yet. Jun 14 19:18:44 * kakos wants a new firmware NOW Jun 14 19:18:49 <_Shurik_> why? Jun 14 19:18:56 <_Shurik_> what's wrong with old one? Jun 14 19:19:01 Nothing Jun 14 19:19:05 <_Shurik_> :) Jun 14 19:19:05 I just want new hawtness Jun 14 19:19:25 <_Shurik_> I'm just happy that it reads hchd Jun 14 19:19:31 <_Shurik_> eerr hcsd Jun 14 19:19:42 The old one? Jun 14 19:19:54 <_Shurik_> well, after kernel update Jun 14 19:20:00 I was going to say. ;) Jun 14 19:20:22 I hope they include sdhc in the next firmware. They're gay if they don't since it's available right now in an alternate kernel. Jun 14 19:20:37 I hope they include SDHC and USB Host Jun 14 19:21:58 One thing the alternate kernel doesn't support is SDHC via the USB client thingy. I can't plug my n800 into my computer and use it as a card reader. Hope they fix that too. Jun 14 19:23:00 I don't think USB host is getting fixed anytime soon. I think the kernel drivers are too flaky right now. You can look up the chipset on google and see discussions about it on the linux kernel list. Jun 14 19:24:17 trevarth1n: I can do it with mine Jun 14 19:24:30 you using an SDHC card? Jun 14 19:24:37 Yeah Jun 14 19:24:51 huh... maybe it's my kernel on the desktop machine then. Jun 14 19:24:53 oh well. Jun 14 19:25:05 What isn't yours doing? Jun 14 19:25:11 <_Shurik_> I think once n800 is patched to read sdhc, then you can read them via USB Jun 14 19:25:22 <_Shurik_> at least I can access my 8gig SD via usb when connected to pc Jun 14 19:25:30 I can't see my SDHC card. It complains. Probably need to upgrade my kernel on the desktop machine. Jun 14 19:25:58 I could try it with my windows host, but I'm too lazy to find a USB cable right now. Jun 14 19:27:03 <_Shurik_> does you n800 see the SD? Jun 14 19:27:14 The only problem I had was mounting the card via USB if I have two partitions on my card Jun 14 19:29:03 _Shurik_: Yeah, of course. Jun 14 19:29:29 <_Shurik_> hm I se Jun 14 19:29:31 <_Shurik_> e Jun 14 19:38:52 hey.... how do I insert a RETURN keycode when using synergy and an xterm on my n800? It keeps popping up the virtual keyboard when I hit ENTER. Jun 14 19:43:16 nm... I figured it out. Enter on the keyboard's keypad actually inserts a return character on my n800's xterm. The normal Enter key pops up the virtual keyboard. Jun 14 19:45:03 Who runs the ITT forums? Jun 14 20:48:44 hi all Jun 14 20:48:48 one quick question... Jun 14 20:49:08 do you know if it's available a port of ices2 or darkice for n770/800? Jun 14 20:49:34 I mean a client to send voice/stream to an IceCast server... Jun 14 20:49:40 it would be very usefull for me Jun 14 20:55:19 ok... I'll porte both :) Jun 14 20:55:20 port Jun 14 23:50:24 hi Jun 14 23:50:44 speak spanish ? Jun 15 01:27:22 hello Jun 15 01:29:49 stop the torture Jun 15 01:30:05 stop government torture Jun 15 01:31:45 any ideas of why I'm getting "Scratchbox devkit debian not found." even if apt-get says that "scratchbox-devkit-debian is already the newest version."? Jun 15 01:32:42 ("maemo-sdk-install_3.1.sh" is the one complaining about the devkit...) Jun 15 01:34:57 hi unique311 Jun 15 01:42:28 hello Jun 15 01:42:34 hi hi Jun 15 01:42:51 torture... torture... torture.... Jun 15 01:43:02 tell me about it Jun 15 01:43:04 you can be tortured for no reason now Jun 15 01:43:25 sucks....i havent been playing with my n800 Jun 15 01:43:37 thats torture... Jun 15 01:43:52 ran out of stuff to do with it... Jun 15 01:44:13 well ... it's time to say fuck maemo Jun 15 01:44:16 and fuck toys Jun 15 01:44:30 we live free or die as slaves Jun 15 01:44:37 and the net is closing in Jun 15 01:44:44 and none of this maemo shit matters any more Jun 15 01:44:57 real id card Jun 15 01:45:03 global empire Jun 15 01:45:26 lol Jun 15 01:46:04 what the tutorial for installation the maemo in the nokia N800 ? Jun 15 01:46:05 maybe if n800 came with another OS...the linux community would embrace hacking the hell out of it... Jun 15 01:46:37 we can't work on open source Jun 15 01:46:43 if we are locked up in slave camps Jun 15 01:47:01 see there is this freedom thing that needs to be in effect Jun 15 01:47:13 i don't follow... Jun 15 01:47:15 before we can talk about fun things like PDAs and Open Source Jun 15 01:47:24 if you are locked up in a concentration camp Jun 15 01:47:32 you can't play with your MID or N800 Jun 15 01:47:43 ok Jun 15 01:48:45 concentration camps.. Jun 15 01:49:02 and this is happening where> Jun 15 01:49:03 ? Jun 15 01:49:11 USA. Jun 15 01:49:18 no its not Jun 15 01:49:24 i live in NY Jun 15 01:49:33 they exist. They are currently empty Jun 15 01:49:33 no concentration camps here... Jun 15 01:49:42 hey http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/5486/025wo2.jpg Jun 15 01:49:48 and you know this how? Jun 15 01:49:48 my Nokia n800 :D Jun 15 01:49:54 what the tutorial for installation the maemo in the nokia N800 ? Jun 15 01:49:59 :( Jun 15 01:49:59 google Jun 15 01:50:52 hold on Blacksitox Jun 15 01:51:05 maemo.org Jun 15 01:51:08 sorry to spoil the fun. but we need freedom before we can have nice PDA toys Jun 15 01:51:10 tutorial section Jun 15 01:51:23 we have freedom in america.. Jun 15 01:51:24 unique311, my english is bad :( sorry Jun 15 01:51:34 may not be the best complete.. Jun 15 01:51:38 for the installation ? Jun 15 01:51:38 but better than most. Jun 15 01:51:51 http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/ Jun 15 01:51:55 try that Jun 15 01:52:14 dolfun where are you from? Jun 15 01:52:30 and do you have proof of these concentration camps in amrica? Jun 15 01:52:37 unique311, Im from Boliva Jun 15 01:52:40 Bolivia* Jun 15 01:52:40 yeah just google them - about 800 Jun 15 01:52:52 ups sorry Jun 15 01:52:59 hi Blacksitox Jun 15 01:53:06 heya dolfun Jun 15 01:53:10 dolfun you lost me.. Jun 15 01:53:17 we all need fairly free societies to do our happy computer work Jun 15 01:53:36 the bad stuff is coming real fast in the USA Jun 15 01:54:25 unique311: bad bad things going down in your country Jun 15 01:55:04 if you say so... Jun 15 01:55:13 doesn't seem that way to me.... Jun 15 01:55:32 you have to spend time researching it Jun 15 01:55:40 i won't convince you here Jun 15 01:55:44 and worry myself.. Jun 15 01:55:47 no thanks.. Jun 15 01:56:14 i'm happy not knowing what my countries government is doing to maintain the super power status that we have now.. Jun 15 01:56:31 heh .. 2008... you have a chance to turn it around... Jun 15 01:56:37 last chance Jun 15 01:56:53 lol Jun 15 01:56:57 really Jun 15 01:57:25 it snaps shut like a trap Jun 15 01:57:30 unless aliens come to earth and fuck with the US...i doubt anything that bad is going to happen.. Jun 15 01:57:34 i am warning you now Jun 15 01:57:53 it happened in germany in 1939 Jun 15 01:57:58 warn the government.. Jun 15 01:58:01 not me.. Jun 15 01:58:04 it happened in the ussr in 1914 Jun 15 01:58:14 you are the only hope Jun 15 01:58:27 and the US is doing everything in its power not to repeat history.. Jun 15 01:58:56 no man you like maemo and the nokia because it is a free OS Jun 15 01:59:01 you can port stuff to it Jun 15 01:59:09 the nokias are about freedom Jun 15 01:59:17 apply that to the rest of your life Jun 15 01:59:25 honestly...unless the rest of the world gang up..i doubt any other country have a chance at war with the US....... Jun 15 01:59:38 now if you talking self destruction...then ok..maybe.... Jun 15 01:59:47 yes i am Jun 15 01:59:53 the rest of the world is not a threat Jun 15 02:00:00 exactly... Jun 15 02:00:26 so how, if you know.....are we going to destroy ourselves? Jun 15 02:00:48 in theory.. Jun 15 02:00:50 couldn't china pose a threat to....everyone... Jun 15 02:01:04 no Jun 15 02:01:11 too far away.... Jun 15 02:01:18 they cannot bring the fight to us... Jun 15 02:01:26 we abosultely can bring it to them Jun 15 02:01:50 they have a navy and an air force Jun 15 02:01:53 speak spanish ? Jun 15 02:02:03 not as big as we do.... Jun 15 02:02:11 <---- prior navy... Jun 15 02:02:44 unless your navy have some major aircraft carrier power...you hold no weight.. Jun 15 02:02:53 we have around 14 Jun 15 02:03:29 heard the brits have around 2 or 3 Jun 15 02:06:48 unique311: no preemptive wars Jun 15 02:06:59 unique311: defend the USA Jun 15 02:07:06 don't defend corporate profits Jun 15 02:07:25 i think we have 2 Jun 15 02:07:25 don't go to war for the UN or for some corporation Jun 15 02:07:37 i know. Jun 15 02:07:37 <-- english Jun 15 02:07:56 made that mistake once already... Jun 15 02:08:10 mistake? Jun 15 02:09:09 i did operation afghanistan freedom, and operation iraqi freedom.... Jun 15 02:09:20 OEF...i was all for... Jun 15 02:09:33 ah-hah Jun 15 02:09:44 but OIF had some discrepencies i didn't like... Jun 15 02:10:14 http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/china/images/ch-cv-cdf-theme-001.jpg Jun 15 02:10:22 lol chinese aircraft carrier.. Jun 15 02:10:24 ! Jun 15 02:10:26 1 Jun 15 02:10:55 and that seems to be a microlite taking off from it Jun 15 02:13:46 reading another article.... Jun 15 02:13:54 theriegister.co.uk Jun 15 02:14:04 a flying aircarft carrier... Jun 15 02:14:05 lol Jun 15 02:14:18 was amaze to be on one, and it stayed afloat.. Jun 15 02:14:26 one that flies...lol Jun 15 02:15:43 the microlite is doing a fly by.... Jun 15 02:16:00 ...i know, that was a joke Jun 15 02:18:10 2.5 billion for 2 more aircraft carriers..britains royal navy... Jun 15 02:18:17 alot of money.. Jun 15 02:20:18 is that pounds or dollars? Jun 15 02:20:26 dollars Jun 15 02:20:59 course it's a lot of money either way Jun 15 02:21:14 http://www.bobhenneman.info/china.htm Jun 15 02:21:18 check that out... Jun 15 02:21:26 the next two won't be built for several years though Jun 15 02:21:31 how do they plan to move it.. Jun 15 02:22:09 oh no....the flying aricraft carrier...lol Jun 15 02:23:30 wow, so that's actually a building...cool Jun 15 02:23:39 lol Jun 15 02:24:13 Support Ron Paul! Read his articles on lewrockwell.com. Listen to the interviews on antiwar.com Jun 15 02:24:23 build a building looking like that..imagine the real thing.. Jun 15 02:25:43 KILL THE SLIME! **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jun 15 02:59:56 2007