**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jun 15 02:59:56 2007
Jun 15 03:53:09 <dolfun> heh live free
Jun 15 03:53:14 <dolfun> support Ron Paul
Jun 15 04:47:20 <sevda> sevda1990_2007@yahoo.com
Jun 15 05:50:15 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Jun 15 07:02:19 <Andy80> hi
Jun 15 07:57:53 <tigert> inz: around?
Jun 15 07:59:40 <inz> tigert, pong
Jun 15 08:09:22 <acydlord> i wish my n800 looked as vibrant as the ones in the nokia pics lol
Jun 15 08:09:51 <acydlord> especially the whole screen being fully visible in direct sunlight part
Jun 15 08:11:13 <X-Fade> acydlord: Yeah, it would have been nice if they used a reflective lcd..
Jun 15 08:11:40 <acydlord> indeed
Jun 15 08:12:21 <acydlord> might be able to add in via a hack, bit that would be tricky
Jun 15 08:12:33 <X-Fade> I want to browse websites while lying in my chair in the sun.. :)
Jun 15 08:12:47 <acydlord> and now i wish i had $250 laying around for the n800 navicore kit for geocache stuff
Jun 15 08:13:22 <cosmo> acydlord: it's VERY overpriced.. i'd buy it otherwise
Jun 15 08:13:25 <X-Fade> acydlord: you can use a cheaper gps mouse for that too..
Jun 15 08:13:34 <acydlord> that would be nice indeed, i live in arizona, cant get away from the sun
Jun 15 08:13:39 <cosmo> you can get a full navigator device for 199e
Jun 15 08:14:03 <acydlord> yeah i know, i was looking at the garmin bluetooth gps puck which i think outpost had on sale for $99
Jun 15 08:14:25 <cosmo> i think there have been bt gps's for sale at 60e
Jun 15 08:14:35 <cosmo> 140e just for software..no way
Jun 15 08:15:31 <acydlord> they should offer just the gps device without the navicore software, would probably drop the price considerably
Jun 15 08:16:23 <inz> acyd, are you still working on the wordpress/sqlite?
Jun 15 08:16:50 <acydlord> i havent had much time to work on it, got sidetracked with some other projects i had put on hold
Jun 15 08:17:17 <cosmo> acydlord: you can get cheap bt gps's easily
Jun 15 08:17:24 <inz> acyd, no pressure, just checking ;)
Jun 15 08:17:25 <cosmo> but no way getting navicore software
Jun 15 08:17:43 <cosmo> and maemo mapper is not an option for car navigation
Jun 15 08:17:54 <acydlord> maemo mapper is good enough software for the uses i'd want it for
Jun 15 08:20:02 <gla55> acydlord: i'd imagine the gps puck to be the same nokia pucks that are available without anything extra?
Jun 15 08:20:12 <acydlord> i dont drive, so i'm more interested in geocaching
Jun 15 08:20:51 <acydlord> indeed gla55
Jun 15 08:21:06 <gla55> ld-3w is 90e here
Jun 15 08:23:40 <acydlord> i found a couple for around $70 USD but i don't know if they would work with the n800
Jun 15 08:25:06 <acydlord> like this holux GPSlim 240 looks nice, about the size of a large thumb drive, and it's only $80
Jun 15 08:25:29 <cosmo> i believe any bt gps should work
Jun 15 08:27:00 <gla55> yeah.. there's not that much differences
Jun 15 08:27:06 <gla55> this one puck i had for a while sucked though
Jun 15 08:27:17 <gla55> had to boot it everytime for a new connection to it
Jun 15 08:28:52 <acydlord> this one i'm looking at has road, offroad, and marine navigation, which would be good since i'm getting back in to kayaking
Jun 15 08:29:07 <acydlord> and they have a decent return policy, maybe i'll pick one up in a week or so
Jun 15 08:31:16 <acydlord> does anyoen know if anybody has a twitter app in progress or planned?
Jun 15 08:54:04 <florian> good morning
Jun 15 08:57:23 <acydlord> morning
Jun 15 08:58:11 <Free_maN> how full saving the n770 ?
Jun 15 09:00:34 <osfameron> er?
Jun 15 09:02:29 <`0660> this empty discarding an n800.
Jun 15 09:03:55 <`0660> osfameron, you don't know pidgin english? :)
Jun 15 09:04:10 <osfameron> `0660: apparently not :-)
Jun 15 09:04:43 <`0660> it's quite easy
Jun 15 09:04:44 <osfameron> oooo!  irssi autocompletes your nick on 0<TAB>
Jun 15 09:04:57 <osfameron> that's handy, cos Italian keyboards don't have backtick handy...
Jun 15 09:05:09 <`0660> just type every word that come in your mind while trying to get something said
Jun 15 09:05:16 <`0660> yeah
Jun 15 09:05:18 <`0660> irssi <3
Jun 15 09:05:47 <osfameron> oh, I get the principle.  It's what I use while communicating in several languages (often in English too)
Jun 15 09:05:57 <osfameron> I just didn't get the original sentence's meaning.
Jun 15 09:06:48 <`0660> me neither
Jun 15 09:07:21 <`0660> part of the deal is that the same words are repeated as long as required or the other participant gives up :)
Jun 15 09:08:08 <roukin> hi everybody, I have two N770 and I want them to communicate through the bluetooth. But they don't see each other! Can someone help? thx
Jun 15 09:08:46 <osfameron> `0660: oh, I thought that was the English technique:  just keep repeating the words, possibly slower and louder.  After all, foreigners are only *pretending* not to speak English.
Jun 15 09:09:04 <`0660> :)
Jun 15 09:09:36 <acydlord> roukin, trying to get them to communicate as in sending files back and forth?
Jun 15 09:10:02 <roukin> yes
Jun 15 09:10:25 <acydlord> i think you may need to install the obex applications to get them to work that way
Jun 15 09:10:39 <acydlord> i may be mistaken though, i never tried to transfer files that way
Jun 15 09:11:18 <roukin> ok, I take a look at this, thank you
Jun 15 09:12:30 <acydlord> you're welcome
Jun 15 09:26:11 <Efrael> Should I put my application's custom made 26x26 icons to $datadir/icons/hicolor/26x26/hildon ?
Jun 15 09:28:48 <acydlord> i think so
Jun 15 09:30:35 <zuh> $datadir/icons/hicolor/26x26/apps should be fine too (the subdir has no real meaning when searching for the icons from icon theme)
Jun 15 09:32:01 <acydlord> i think the n800 should have come with the tango icon set
Jun 15 09:32:46 * zuh has it installed
Jun 15 09:32:54 <N800> i think the n800 should have come with windows...  <---ducks...
Jun 15 09:33:00 <acydlord> lmao
Jun 15 09:33:15 <Efrael> Here here!
Jun 15 09:33:39 <acydlord> i don't know, i could just imagine it sitting on the loading screen for days
Jun 15 09:33:47 <kulve> zuh: is it better to install few app specific icons to hicolor or to /usr/share/appname/foobar?
Jun 15 09:34:18 <acydlord> zuh, did you replace all the default hildon icons with the tango versions?
Jun 15 09:34:24 <kulve> I have the tango packaged for n800. I added 40x40 and 64x64 icons and removed the svgs
Jun 15 09:34:40 <kulve> but it doesn't have links for maemo icons
Jun 15 09:34:58 <zuh> acydlord: no, I have manually made few symlinks so that the tango versions are used instead of the maemo ones
Jun 15 09:35:04 <kulve> i.e. most of the icons will be the same
Jun 15 09:35:37 <acydlord> ahh
Jun 15 09:36:33 <zuh> There's loads and loads of icons for maemo, and only some of them have similar icons in tango
Jun 15 09:36:45 <acydlord> thats true
Jun 15 09:37:42 <zuh> It would have helped if maemo icons would use the icon-naming spec where applicable, but well...
Jun 15 09:38:08 <Efrael> zuh: That kulve's question is an interesting one. Is /usr/share/appname/foobar a more.. hmm.. acceptable option?
Jun 15 09:38:36 <Efrael> The icons are application specific
Jun 15 09:39:30 <zuh> Efrael: If it is an icon that only your application uses, yes, share/appname. (I was thinking the icons which show up in the menu)
Jun 15 09:39:52 <Efrael> In the application's toolbar actually
Jun 15 09:40:32 <kulve> so, install icons used in the app to share/appname and the icons used by the framework for the app into icon theme
Jun 15 09:43:23 <Efrael> Is hildon toolbar part of the framework?
Jun 15 09:44:44 <Efrael> In another words did you mean that since I'm using the icons in the toolbar I should install the application's custom icons to $datadir/icons/hicolor/26x26/hildon?
Jun 15 09:45:07 <kulve> no
Jun 15 09:45:25 <kulve> I'm meant the icons showed in navigator's menu etc
Jun 15 09:45:38 <Efrael> Ah, I see. Okay.
Jun 15 09:46:12 <Efrael> Thank you
Jun 15 10:09:02 <acydlord> anyone ever notice how websites always seem to only take a dump on you when you're odifying some code?
Jun 15 10:14:08 <Gathaja> does anyone have any experience on messaging with wlancond with dbus? I'm trying to request scan but the method return message has no params.
Jun 15 10:17:42 <acydlord> sure don't, sorry
Jun 15 10:24:55 <Gathaja> one problem is that I'm not even sure is the method name right because the constant is not in the files that are in osso-wlan package
Jun 15 11:03:23 <MikaT> Hi all, could someone please tell me what is the recommended repository to find libdaemon-dev package for Maemo 2.2?
Jun 15 11:05:52 <kulve> if there is one..
Jun 15 12:08:04 <greedo> hi
Jun 15 12:08:22 <greedo> i'm successfully streaming audio using mediatomb
Jun 15 12:08:32 <greedo> i can use either canola,media streamer or media player
Jun 15 12:08:47 <greedo> however i would like to know if there is a linux upnp media server that is able to recode videos on the fly
Jun 15 12:08:54 <greedo> so that it matches the n800 resolution
Jun 15 12:08:59 <mk8> Hi to all ...
Jun 15 12:12:57 <MoRpHeUz> greedo: well, it's not a upnp media server...but it's going on that way...
Jun 15 12:13:15 <greedo> "it" ?
Jun 15 12:13:15 <MoRpHeUz> greedo: it's called gmyth-streamer
Jun 15 12:13:37 <MoRpHeUz> greedo: take a look at my blog
Jun 15 12:13:40 <greedo> is it part of mythtv?
Jun 15 12:13:46 <MoRpHeUz> greedo: http://labs.morpheuz.eng.br/blog/
Jun 15 12:14:02 <MoRpHeUz> greedo: it can also stream live-tv and recorded videos from mythtv
Jun 15 12:14:11 <MoRpHeUz> as well another video files on disk
Jun 15 12:14:18 <greedo> what do you mean by "recorded videos from mythtv" ?
Jun 15 12:14:23 <greedo> can't it serve any avi or mpg file ?
Jun 15 12:14:27 <greedo> ah right
Jun 15 12:14:30 <greedo> sounds nice
Jun 15 12:14:58 <greedo> can i install it from apt-get on ubuntu feisty N
Jun 15 12:14:59 <greedo> ?
Jun 15 12:15:09 <MoRpHeUz> yes, you can, but it can also retrieve videos from a mythtv backend
Jun 15 12:15:23 <MoRpHeUz> greedo: for gmyth-streamer download:
Jun 15 12:15:26 <MoRpHeUz> svn co http://gmyth.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/gmyth/trunk/gmyth-stream/server/0.3/ gms
Jun 15 12:15:48 <MoRpHeUz> it's a beta yet
Jun 15 12:15:56 <greedo> ok
Jun 15 12:16:08 <MoRpHeUz> you'll need mencoder from cvs and gmyth if you want to use mythtv's features...
Jun 15 12:16:24 <MoRpHeUz> but some people are doing tests and everything is working 100% until now =)
Jun 15 12:16:59 <MoRpHeUz> greedo: if you want, I can help you install it....
Jun 15 12:17:02 <greedo> well i didn't have a look at mythtv yet, i just installed mediatomb picking it randomly among mythtv and ushare
Jun 15 12:23:30 <MoRpHeUz> greedo: ok...but if you want, gms can stream another content.not just mythtv's ones.. it transcodes on the fly
Jun 15 12:25:42 <ajturner_> MoRpHeUz: so gmyth can in fact stream mythtv to n800?
Jun 15 12:26:03 <MoRpHeUz> ajturner_: yes!
Jun 15 12:26:20 <ajturner_> MoRpHeUz: sweeet! to canola and others?
Jun 15 12:26:23 <ajturner_> that is awesome
Jun 15 12:26:30 <MoRpHeUz> just received a mail from a guy in UK that is watching live tv in his n800 while he is working hehe
Jun 15 12:26:30 <greedo> afaik, canola does not support video
Jun 15 12:26:48 <ajturner_> my mythtv box is borked, so I need to reinstall (was gentoo, probably redo w/ ubuntu), but will play with that immediately
Jun 15 12:26:53 <MoRpHeUz> ajturner_: you can play using mplayer... ;-) but maybe soon other applications will support it
Jun 15 12:27:19 <MoRpHeUz> take a look at my blog and if you need help installing (it's not easy yet...), just mail me
Jun 15 12:28:21 <ajturner_> MoRpHeUz: url?
Jun 15 12:29:14 <MoRpHeUz> http://labs.morpheuz.eng.br/blog/
Jun 15 12:30:17 <ajturner_> MoRpHeUz: what disto do you use?
Jun 15 12:30:53 <MoRpHeUz> ajturner_: we did tests on ubuntu/suse/gentoo/slackware ...all worked
Jun 15 12:30:54 <vnese> hello all, i m a comer to maemo, on my effort to install it in my debian, i got 'Running apt-get update on 'SDK_ARMEL'.
Jun 15 12:30:54 <vnese> Err http://repository.maemo.org bora/free Packages  Could not resolve 'repository.maemo.org' i think there is problem with the proxy because I already fix the file source.list
Jun 15 12:31:09 <MoRpHeUz> vnese: take a look at /etc/nsswitch.conf
Jun 15 12:31:17 <vnese> on my target ?
Jun 15 12:31:23 <ajturner_> MoRpHeUz: I mean you personally - what do you recommend for your mythtv box? gentoo was really nice, but updating was a PITA
Jun 15 12:31:27 <greedo> MoRpHeUz: what do i need to get it running ? do i also need to install mythtv parts ?
Jun 15 12:31:29 <MoRpHeUz> vnese: inside /scratchbox
Jun 15 12:31:51 <MoRpHeUz> vnese: then make sure you have a line like this: "hosts:      files dns" remove other things in front of "hosts"
Jun 15 12:32:03 <MoRpHeUz> ajturner_: maybe ubuntu... =)
Jun 15 12:32:25 <MoRpHeUz> greedo: you just need mythtv parts if you want to retrieve anything from mythtv...
Jun 15 12:32:41 <MoRpHeUz> greedo: otherwise you just need mencoder from cvs and gmyth-streamer...
Jun 15 12:32:48 <ajturner_> MoRpHeUz: no actualy mythtv-frontend on n800? ;)
Jun 15 12:32:57 <MoRpHeUz> not yet ;-)
Jun 15 12:33:39 <greedo> MoRpHeUz: is it important to have mencoder from cvs ?
Jun 15 12:33:44 <vnese> MoRpHeUz: delete everything before hosts: ... , i have like : passwd: compat group:   compat shadow:         compat
Jun 15 12:33:50 <vnese> ?
Jun 15 12:34:19 <MoRpHeUz> greedo: yes...otherwise it'll not work..it uses a feature from mencoder that is only present at this newer version (from cvs)
Jun 15 12:34:33 <MoRpHeUz> vnese: not before, sorry...after...on the same line..
Jun 15 12:34:34 <greedo> MoRpHeUz: ok
Jun 15 12:34:46 <MoRpHeUz> vnese: tell me what do you have in front of hosts..
Jun 15 12:35:49 <vnese> MoRpHeUz: http://pastebin.com/929560 here you are
Jun 15 12:36:34 <vnese> and my distro is debian etch
Jun 15 12:36:40 <MoRpHeUz> vnese: make it be like this http://pastebin.com/929562
Jun 15 12:39:41 <vnese> MoRpHeUz:  it works, thanks
Jun 15 12:44:28 <vnese> and how about the IDE, i currently have anjuta and glade3 for my gtk+ app, do you have any idea for maemo?
Jun 15 12:44:59 <greedo> is there a way to configure canola so that items are clickable ? instead of having to click on the up/down arrows ?
Jun 15 12:54:20 <vnese> guess half of the people in this room is Finnish :)
Jun 15 13:00:48 <tigert> maybe half
Jun 15 13:00:49 <tigert> dunno
Jun 15 13:00:53 <X-Fade> greedo: Yes there is. You can configure that via gconf editor..
Jun 15 13:03:16 <MoRpHeUz> anybody from oulo ?
Jun 15 13:03:43 <X-Fade> tigert: I modified search.maemo.org. Are there things that you would style differently?
Jun 15 13:03:44 <lsobral> greedo, set gconf options: /apps/canola/plugins/uifolder/free_click and /apps/canola/plugins/uicontainer/free_click to True
Jun 15 13:03:56 <lsobral> Using command line:
Jun 15 13:04:09 <lsobral> gconftool-2 /apps/canola/plugins/uifolder/free_click -t bool -s true
Jun 15 13:04:17 <lsobral> gconftool-2 /apps/canola/plugins/uicontainer/free_click -t bool -s true
Jun 15 13:09:44 <inz> vnese, I'd guess around 20%
Jun 15 13:19:10 * tigert looks
Jun 15 13:19:53 <tigert> I think it looks nice
Jun 15 14:50:04 <suihkulokki> looks familiar? http://www.ekxd.com/productshtml/UMPC001.htm :P
Jun 15 14:50:55 <_Shurik_> sheesh
Jun 15 14:50:55 <X-Fade> Wow. They moved the directional controls :)
Jun 15 14:51:10 <X-Fade> This is a lefty device though :)
Jun 15 14:51:32 <gla55> heheh
Jun 15 14:51:33 <inz> and raped it with win CE
Jun 15 14:52:09 <X-Fade> Nah, it is all pure photoshop magic..
Jun 15 14:52:15 <_Shurik_> haha
Jun 15 14:52:29 <_Shurik_> but.. it has skype
Jun 15 14:52:34 <X-Fade> Well it is.. Look at the pictures ;)
Jun 15 14:52:39 <suihkulokki> notice the first picture is photoshopped from the bloody n800 pressrelease
Jun 15 14:52:46 <_Shurik_> :)
Jun 15 14:53:34 <inz> suihku, they've made a 2D rotating webcam!
Jun 15 14:53:37 <X-Fade> 'Probucts menu' ;)
Jun 15 14:53:52 <_Shurik_> haaahaha
Jun 15 14:54:09 <inz> "Game, 3D Game, nintendo Game ,flash Game,"
Jun 15 14:54:11 <_Shurik_> "Jebus!"
Jun 15 14:54:22 <X-Fade> Well. They did some things better. The placement of the webcam is better than on N800..
Jun 15 14:56:32 <_Shurik_> Not really. It looks like device is watching me
Jun 15 14:56:59 <_Shurik_> although in Comminist China n800 is watching you.
Jun 15 14:57:19 <Feron> allo
Jun 15 14:58:23 <gla55> hehe
Jun 15 14:58:47 <gla55> well, their other products are the usual china design school too http://www.ekxd.com/productshtml/pmp404.htm
Jun 15 14:59:29 <_Shurik_> Game 404
Jun 15 14:59:50 <_Shurik_> I wonder if they have any other HTTP response code games
Jun 15 14:59:57 <_Shurik_> 500.... 303...
Jun 15 16:07:39 <dpb_> Is it known that Marbles on the 770 hacker edition isn't working?
Jun 15 16:08:19 <_Shurik_> you can hardly call Marbles "working". It's more of a "playing"
Jun 15 16:09:56 <dpb_> Yes I can.
Jun 15 16:11:19 <dpb_> When I press play the screen just flashed black and returns with a "Game paused" state
Jun 15 18:35:22 <sbaturzio> Aloha!
Jun 15 19:53:03 <Okko> Hi guys
Jun 15 19:53:46 <Okko> Any tips on how to get 2 gigabytes of stuff from a MMC card to be readable on N800? Looking for some kind of a cheap solution that would be mobile
Jun 15 19:57:18 <nomis> Okko: uhm, what prevents you from pluggin it into the N800 and reading it?
Jun 15 19:57:50 <Okko> uhm, sorry, compactflash card, not MMC
Jun 15 19:58:07 <nomis> ah, ok. No idea then  :)
Jun 15 19:58:09 <Okko> I have CF cards in my camera and would like to upload them with N800
Jun 15 19:58:35 <Okko> there's lots of adapters to get a SD card inside CF, but not the other way around
Jun 15 20:13:25 <Jaffa> Okko: mainly cos CF is bigger than SD ;-)
Jun 15 20:13:50 <Jaffa> USB host (experimental) + USB card reader is probably best bet, or one of those USB-mass-storage copying thingies
Jun 15 20:13:58 <Okko> 2cm's of cable could solve the size issue
Jun 15 20:14:21 <zyxulnaga> Okko: you can use sftp to exchange the data through your pc or laptop
Jun 15 20:14:21 <Okko> does the usb host work on N800 without soldering?
Jun 15 20:14:45 <Okko> zyxulnaga: the idea would be to leave pc/laptop at home while on the move and still be able to upload photos
Jun 15 20:14:52 <suihkulokki> Okko: did you search from the mailing list archives?
Jun 15 20:14:54 <zyxulnaga> oh
Jun 15 20:15:36 <Okko> suihkulokki: yes, a bit earlier, but found no solution then. maybe I didn't have the right query words
Jun 15 20:15:58 <zyxulnaga> there is a software driver that does it but is very unreliable
Jun 15 20:16:14 <zyxulnaga> it software corrects the information rather than doing soldering
Jun 15 20:16:23 <kakos> Okko: Yes.  The USB Host chip on the N800 does supply some nominal power over the line, so you don't need to make the power injector like you did with the N770.
Jun 15 20:17:14 <kakos> On the other hand, as people have been saying, the driver is experimental and, from what I hear, is fairly unstable.
Jun 15 20:17:36 <zyxulnaga> why doesnt nokia fix it and release it
Jun 15 20:17:54 <kakos> Ask Nokia
Jun 15 20:18:12 <zyxulnaga> I'll definitely get an answer
Jun 15 20:18:31 <kakos> Heh
Jun 15 20:18:43 <kakos> Well, we don't know if they are or not.
Jun 15 20:18:57 <kakos> For all we know, it could be in the next release along with SDHC support and the ability to summon magical unicorns.
Jun 15 20:19:03 <Okko> experimental and unstable is bearable maybe, but "may cause file corruption" is not when it comes to uploading photos :)
Jun 15 20:19:33 <kakos> Theoretically, I would hope mounting a file system read-only wouldn't corrupt your CF card.
Jun 15 20:20:19 <zyxulnaga> not when connecting wireless usb sticks
Jun 15 20:22:31 <Okko> hmh, my card reader reports 500 mA of power need to Windows, wonder if it would even work with the 100 mA of N800
Jun 15 20:26:02 <zyxulnaga> it depends on the reader I think, and the resulting speed you get
Jun 15 20:29:29 <Okko> mkay
Jun 15 20:29:42 <Okko> soo anyway, nobody has found a direct adaptor?
Jun 15 20:29:50 <Okko> that would be the most hassle-free if it would exist :)
Jun 15 20:33:51 <edistar> hey, please don't kill me like the debian folks, but where exactly can I find information about setting up a dev-environment for maemo?
Jun 15 20:33:58 <edistar> cause I want to start porting apps..
Jun 15 20:34:34 <Okko> edistar: sorry no pointers from me, but I think the easiest way is to use a ready-made vmware image for the environment
Jun 15 20:35:06 <edistar> where can I get one?
Jun 15 20:35:50 <edistar> or can I use scratchbox?
Jun 15 20:35:58 <Okko> http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/directory/702 from there for example?
Jun 15 20:36:05 <Okko> (just googled it, haven't used it)
Jun 15 20:36:21 <edistar> ok, but vmware can't emulate ARM, can it?!
Jun 15 20:36:43 <edistar> cool, looks good
Jun 15 20:36:44 <edistar> thanks
Jun 15 20:36:58 <Okko> you can run the scratchbox inside linux inside vmware inside windows/linux :)
Jun 15 20:37:10 <edistar> crickey ;)
Jun 15 20:38:12 <edistar> so I'm running debian/vmware/ubuntu/scratchbox/maemo?
Jun 15 20:38:53 <Okko> yes i think so
Jun 15 20:39:07 <zyxulnaga> edistar: it emulates arm
Jun 15 20:39:20 <zyxulnaga> and you can compile armel binaries in it
Jun 15 20:39:36 <Okko> it's not the vmware right? it's the scratchbox that emulates arm?
Jun 15 20:39:40 <zyxulnaga> but its limited if you want to access n800 hw and test that
Jun 15 20:39:57 <zyxulnaga> I was talking about scratchbox
Jun 15 20:42:58 <edistar> I just want to compile simple programs for my 770
Jun 15 20:43:22 <edistar> maybe port tiemu to the nokia..
Jun 15 20:43:26 <edistar> anyone tried this before?
Jun 15 20:43:45 <feig> i wouldn't mind seeing that
Jun 15 20:43:57 <edistar> exactly..
Jun 15 20:44:20 <feig> although octave works really well
Jun 15 20:44:46 <etrunko> edistar: for 770 try INSTALL.txt in this page: http://repository.maemo.org/stable/gregale/
Jun 15 20:45:33 <edistar> thanks
Jun 15 20:46:15 <etrunko> np
Jun 15 20:46:28 <edistar> octave... is there a port for maemo?
Jun 15 20:46:29 <edistar> cool
Jun 15 20:46:30 <edistar> :)
Jun 15 20:46:40 <edistar> but it doesn't have such an easy gui/keyboard ;)
Jun 15 20:46:54 <feig> well, you run it under xterm
Jun 15 20:47:04 <edistar> btw, can anyone recommend a good bt keyboard?
Jun 15 20:47:06 <feig> but it works fine
Jun 15 20:47:16 <feig> even some of the gnuplot stuff (i think)
Jun 15 20:47:33 <feig> what size keyboard?
Jun 15 20:47:50 <edistar> a little smaller than normal
Jun 15 20:47:55 <edistar> for taking around too..
Jun 15 20:48:19 <feig> oh, i have a full sized, and a tiny thumboard style
Jun 15 20:48:52 <edistar> thumboard sounds cool
Jun 15 20:48:56 <feig> the thumboard was basically a waste, although it works fine, it's not exactly easy to type, especially while holding 770
Jun 15 20:49:04 <edistar> which one is it?
Jun 15 20:49:17 <feig> freedom mini or something, lemme check
Jun 15 20:49:19 <edistar> I am a pianist, so maybe my fingers are exact enough..
Jun 15 20:50:39 <feig> http://msmobiles.com/news.php/4989.html
Jun 15 20:50:50 <feig> the one in the first pic on that page
Jun 15 20:50:53 <edistar> thanks
Jun 15 20:51:38 <edistar> but you can't recommend it? bad quality material too or not?
Jun 15 20:51:42 <feig> i just thought it was a bit cumbersome to use, trying to hold the device and the keyboard, and type at the same time (esp on the train)
Jun 15 20:52:04 <edistar> hehe, I'd use it in the train too..
Jun 15 20:52:39 <feig> i actually tried to thumb with the onscreen keyboard, and found it pretty usable
Jun 15 20:53:00 <edistar> I tried too... but it's to slow for me...
Jun 15 20:53:13 <edistar> and my screen is already dull where some keys are by the pen..
Jun 15 20:53:52 <feig> oh, gotcha
Jun 15 20:54:36 <edistar> hmhm
Jun 15 20:54:55 <edistar> so I'm looking for an 'external solution' ;)
Jun 15 20:55:05 <feig> but, it looks like they ditched the mini in favor of the 'slim'
Jun 15 20:55:06 <feig> http://www.freedominput.com/site/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=13&Itemid=30
Jun 15 20:55:38 <feig> which looks a lot like the input on a razr phone, which i really don't like, as it's really tough to figure out what key your finger's on
Jun 15 20:55:48 <edistar> that is true
Jun 15 20:56:02 <edistar> I don't like lazered keys because you can slip so easily
Jun 15 20:56:26 <feig> i really wanted to try one of those
Jun 15 20:56:53 <edistar> try what?
Jun 15 20:57:08 <feig> a laser keyboard
Jun 15 20:57:49 <edistar> ah
Jun 15 20:57:50 <edistar> yes
Jun 15 20:57:56 <edistar> it's like the razr ;)
Jun 15 20:58:00 <feig> hah
Jun 15 20:58:07 <edistar> :P
Jun 15 20:58:16 <feig> yea, that's why i got the one that i did
Jun 15 20:59:05 <edistar> which one was that again?
Jun 15 21:00:14 <feig> the freedom mini
Jun 15 21:00:29 <edistar> hehe, and the other?
Jun 15 21:01:30 <feig> the other one i have?
Jun 15 21:01:42 <edistar> yes
Jun 15 21:01:53 <feig> it's just an old microsoft bluetooth keyboard, i think their first gen bt desktop stuff
Jun 15 21:02:07 <edistar> ok..
Jun 15 21:02:12 <feig> it's big
Jun 15 21:02:22 <edistar> don't like micro$ eben though their hardware is supposed to be good
Jun 15 21:02:47 <feig> yea, i don't either, it was a few years ago
Jun 15 21:02:57 <edistar> I still have a microsoft mouse..
Jun 15 21:02:59 <feig> and it does work fine under linux =)
Jun 15 21:03:31 <edistar> yes
Jun 15 21:06:20 <feig> ... actually, if you had something that would hold the 770, somehow attached to the keyboard, the freedom mini would probably be fine
Jun 15 21:12:09 <edistar> I'll have a look around..
Jun 15 21:12:26 <feig> yea
Jun 15 21:12:53 <edistar> cause I want to somehow not ruin my screen completely ;)
Jun 15 21:13:07 <feig> yea, that's probably a good idea
Jun 15 21:19:14 <edistar> good night @all!
Jun 15 21:19:18 <edistar> cya around :)
Jun 15 21:19:23 <edistar> thanks for all the info:)
Jun 15 21:20:10 <feig> later
Jun 15 21:31:06 <gNico> Hi
Jun 15 21:31:18 <gNico> anybody here ?
Jun 15 22:07:28 <Daniellion> WOW im surprised there are this many people COOL
Jun 15 22:20:01 <vnese> hello, i am a linux, gtk user, i just move to maemo, is there any book or tutorial about developing gui in maemo, i got the documentation at the main site but still confused and found it difficult
Jun 15 22:37:36 <Andy80> hi
Jun 15 22:37:51 <Andy80> I've seen that there's the 0.2 version of Minimo for N800
Jun 15 22:37:58 <Andy80> is it available for n770 too?
Jun 16 01:35:07 <rev> hey, anyone here know of either a TI graphing calc, or better yet an HP 48 emulator for the N800?
Jun 16 01:35:20 <rev> best thing I've found is a port of Free42
Jun 16 01:35:23 <rev> er emu42
Jun 16 02:26:08 <edt> what happens if the n800 runs out power?
Jun 16 02:28:08 <dolske> it turns off?
Jun 16 02:28:15 <edt> Is like the pilots?  or, as expected, it just saves and you continue when you have power
Jun 16 02:29:06 <edt> old pilots lost everything....
Jun 16 02:29:06 <dolske> no, it just shuts down. like turning off a computer.
Jun 16 02:29:50 <edt> good. that  what I expected.
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