**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jun 19 02:59:56 2007 Jun 19 03:59:54 There has been so many questions again about the possibility to take a screenshot in the past few days, so I added my maemo screengrabber to dowloads.maemo.org.. Jun 19 06:06:10 * cesman is away: Gone away for now. Jun 19 07:14:05 Hi to all .... Jun 19 07:24:02 gpd: the search term is UPnP MediaRenderer, and the Coherence one works with MediaStreamer (https://coherence.beebits.net) Jun 19 07:40:25 hi!! Jun 19 07:40:43 i need help (as mccartney say) Jun 19 07:40:48 is there anybody? Jun 19 07:42:19 ask the question and maybe somebody will answer.. Jun 19 07:42:32 why do people often join and ask if they can ask a question.. Jun 19 07:42:50 first i have to say that my english is poor Jun 19 07:42:52 sorry Jun 19 07:43:00 I've seen worse Jun 19 07:43:07 i'm tring to enable the usb host in my n800 Jun 19 07:43:07 ...lot worse Jun 19 07:43:26 and i can't Jun 19 07:43:36 i've patched the kernel Jun 19 07:43:40 http://www.muru.com/linux/n800-usb-host/ http://www.muru.com/linux/n800-usb-host/ Jun 19 07:43:44 with this patches Jun 19 07:44:05 but when i try this: Jun 19 07:44:07 echo host > /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode Jun 19 07:44:20 n800 say me that it couldn'T create de file mode Jun 19 07:44:26 (it alredy exists) Jun 19 07:44:34 kulve: There are those too that join in awkward times, ask if anyone's there and a minute later declare the project dead and leave... Jun 19 07:44:42 -sh: cannot create mode: Permission denied Jun 19 07:44:51 zuh: yeah Jun 19 07:44:57 Pr370r14n0: tried that as root? Jun 19 07:45:03 yes Jun 19 07:45:16 "cannot create mode" suggests that the "file" doesn't exist Jun 19 07:45:28 Which seems like som'n went wrong with the kernel compilation Jun 19 07:45:31 i know Jun 19 07:45:34 but it exists Jun 19 07:45:55 Nokia-N800-51:/sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc# cat mode Jun 19 07:45:55 peripheral Jun 19 07:46:03 look Jun 19 07:46:07 i have made Jun 19 07:46:12 chmod u+w mode Jun 19 07:46:19 echo host > mode Jun 19 07:46:28 and n800 dont make any error Jun 19 07:46:42 but the file mode still containing peripheral Jun 19 07:47:01 does dmesg say something? Jun 19 07:47:02 anyone have a n800 with usb host working? Jun 19 07:48:13 kulve: nothing Jun 19 07:59:46 Morning, all Jun 19 08:00:39 anybody? Jun 19 08:03:40 hmm Jun 19 08:03:51 ./flasher --enable-usb-host-mode ? Jun 19 08:03:55 does that work? Jun 19 08:04:06 i think that this is only for 770 Jun 19 08:04:13 but im going to try it now Jun 19 08:04:24 wait, lemme see if it worked Jun 19 08:05:01 "peripheral" Jun 19 08:05:02 duh Jun 19 08:06:54 you are right Jun 19 08:07:11 but Jun 19 08:07:17 I dont have the patched kernel anyway Jun 19 08:07:21 so your mileage might vary? Jun 19 08:07:49 it still not working:( Jun 19 08:09:27 any new ideas? Jun 19 08:13:54 well Jun 19 08:14:02 any body have dsniff working in n800? Jun 19 08:20:17 good morning Jun 19 08:22:29 Pr370r14n0: did you read the dev-mailing list through? There are some disccusion about the host mode. Try searching with the "musb_hdrc" keyword Jun 19 08:22:41 ok Jun 19 08:22:44 thanks Jun 19 08:26:29 hi I'm currently tryinng to rebuild python-2.5 in scratchbox but it fails with: debian/rules:13: /usr/share/quilt/quilt.make: No such file or directory Jun 19 08:26:39 does someone konw which package is missing ? Jun 19 08:26:49 ptisserand: quilt Jun 19 08:27:39 jonnylamb: do you know from which repository I can retrieve it ? apt-cache search quit doesn't find this package Jun 19 08:27:57 ptisserand: Any Debian mirror will have it. Jun 19 08:28:09 If you want to be horrible, you can download the deb separately and dpkg -i it. Jun 19 08:28:42 jonnylamb: ah ok, but that's right to install it from my scratchbox SDK_ARMEL ? Jun 19 08:29:04 it seems to be "all" arch Jun 19 08:29:26 It's just a set of Makefile rules, it's arch-indep. Jun 19 08:29:26 so, there shouldn't be problems installing it to a different arch than it was compiled int Jun 19 08:29:42 I'd recommend simply adding "deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian stable main" to /etc/apt/sources.list (assuming you're in the UK). Jun 19 08:29:52 why an earth I have had so much troubles compiling it, when I could just have taken it as-is from debian :/ Jun 19 08:30:01 ok thanks a lot for your help I will try to install quilt and check if it correct my error Jun 19 08:30:19 kulve: it? Jun 19 08:30:29 quilt Jun 19 08:30:54 Mmm, Debian repos \o/ Jun 19 08:30:58 I've build it for n800 and some other hardwares in the past. And for nothing.. Jun 19 08:32:19 Does it actually need "building"?! Jun 19 08:32:43 packaging at least.. Jun 19 08:35:15 Haha, the quilt rules file patches itself! Jun 19 08:35:24 "Some extra love is needed to use ourselves without builddepending on us." Jun 19 08:35:44 :) Jun 19 08:36:31 hi at all, anyone use sardine version? Jun 19 08:42:17 geaaru, sometimes Jun 19 08:50:13 Aloha! Jun 19 09:18:37 inz, do you have some issues with the hildon-input? Jun 19 09:18:51 i can no using anymore my n800 Jun 19 09:19:27 because the keyboard applet seems dead Jun 19 09:19:52 no rising when I hit any text-input-field Jun 19 09:20:14 and i got an segfault when launch hildon-input-method Jun 19 09:37:00 inz: pna question is same of mine? have you same problems? Jun 19 09:37:11 thank in advance Jun 19 09:37:13 Yes, no input methods Jun 19 09:37:28 ah great, we are in many ;) Jun 19 09:37:29 have you found a solution? Jun 19 09:38:11 geaaru, not actually Jun 19 09:40:46 Hmm, I'm guessing the communication between apps and the keyboard has changed Jun 19 09:41:03 The keyboard starts and doesn't crash, but it still doesn't pop up Jun 19 09:41:59 how do you start the keyb, for me does not work neither Jun 19 09:42:08 I don't get to see it Jun 19 09:42:16 But if you ssh in and check ps, it's running Jun 19 09:43:50 Hmm, there's hildon-input-method-sdk in the repo, lessee... Jun 19 09:44:05 guess is the development kit Jun 19 09:49:54 yeah, no luck... Jun 19 09:53:19 so, there isn't a solution for use hildon-input-method on sardine :'( Jun 19 09:55:12 Humm... Jun 19 09:56:03 geaaru: I think it is time to file a bug. Make your problem known.. Jun 19 09:56:58 Product:haf, component im? Jun 19 09:57:06 yes Jun 19 10:00:43 X-Fade, sendin a main to the dev ml Jun 19 10:05:45 yes i think that is a very very critical bug :-P Jun 19 11:06:35 '' Jun 19 11:29:37 hello, i have edited to my gtk+ source somehow using the hildon desktop functions, but when i compile it, do i need sth like hildon library ? Jun 19 11:30:24 and why my native gtk+ app looks so ugly when i ported it to maemo Jun 19 11:35:12 vnese: did you follow the 3.0 porting howto on maemo.org ? Jun 19 11:35:19 yes Jun 19 11:35:43 keesj: i followed it to the section of creating desktop, service files Jun 19 11:35:51 and i got stuck there Jun 19 11:36:38 i triied ./configure , make, even make install, i saw my app in the navigation but it just didnt run Jun 19 11:37:03 and it starts when running command line? Jun 19 11:37:26 and configure --prefix=/usr ? Jun 19 11:37:44 yes, keesj, i tried like : /usr/local/lib/myapp but the GUI is very ugly Jun 19 11:38:38 i only created sdl and home applets , I can't help you Jun 19 11:39:03 (and played with wxLua) :p Jun 19 11:39:30 so, wxwindows with lua language ? Jun 19 11:39:51 yes, pretty funny if you ask me Jun 19 11:39:51 keesj: was it easy to compile lua ? Jun 19 11:39:55 vnese: are your running the app inside the desktop or standalone ? Jun 19 11:40:25 gwak: lua yes very Jun 19 11:40:58 onion: eh, neither, when i clicked on the navigation it didnt run, so i try it on command line Jun 19 11:41:39 and i try run-standalone too but the gui is even uglier Jun 19 11:43:23 gwak: wxlua was a bit harder, and the package is still not 100% Jun 19 11:44:32 I created a . install file http://cosy-home.garage.maemo.org/packages/wxlua.install Jun 19 11:44:49 keejs:great, i will try that this evening Jun 19 11:45:50 gwak: perhaps this post is also nice http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/keesj/2007/02/07/p49#more49 Jun 19 11:46:17 keesj:hmm it seems that this project http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.cgi?JiveArchitecture uses lua + sdl Jun 19 11:50:28 keesj: i like the look of lua tho, very pyhonish Jun 19 11:53:00 I am not a huge python fan. but I do like lua. I love ruby Jun 19 11:53:36 when I first looked at wxruby2 it was not mature enough (and very slow) Jun 19 11:53:50 just out of curiosity: what is it about python that you don't like Jun 19 11:54:54 konttori: the "self" thingy, just like when you try to write OO in perl Jun 19 11:55:14 as opposed to: this in java? Jun 19 11:55:25 and ruby gives me pure love Jun 19 11:55:44 it does make python classes a bit wordy Jun 19 11:56:28 in java almoost everything is an object , there is a this , but you don't have to send the "self" object as first argument to each and every function Jun 19 11:57:01 I guess that when you compare it to bash or perl is't much better. Jun 19 11:57:11 well, that's a minor grip. And on the bonus side, you can call it s if you like (or whatever). Jun 19 11:57:24 :P Jun 19 11:57:50 You don't send the self argument as parameter. It's just a definition in the function itself, not in the function call. Jun 19 11:58:03 for any python fan i just saw this: Jun 19 11:58:05 http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=208549 Jun 19 11:58:06 but it looks like python will be the choice of maemo so I need to learn to love it Jun 19 11:58:58 I really don't think any language is that superior to another. They each have their good points and bad points. In the end, after a short getting used to, they are pretty much equal. Jun 19 11:59:00 so just port ruby for maemo :) Jun 19 11:59:24 Well, except if you really need especially just those niceties. then obviously it makes sense to pick that one. Jun 19 11:59:56 suihkulokki I did it , it was to slow :( Jun 19 12:00:27 i guess python has a few more years of dev then ruby Jun 19 12:01:47 according to wikipedia 1995 for Ruby and 1991 for Python Jun 19 12:02:03 the problem that people continue to reinvent things instead of improving existing... Jun 19 12:02:10 gwak: nice article. thanks Jun 19 12:02:42 one has a luxury if choosing the language is possible Jun 19 12:05:03 finnish would be good programming language.. Jun 19 12:05:10 suihkulokki: reinvent is a bit strong argument, there is something called evolution, we don't all want to be programming pascal for the rest of our lives Jun 19 12:05:55 Toni:heh, can you read finnish? Jun 19 12:06:14 gwak: can you read perl? Jun 19 12:06:23 back to work.... Jun 19 12:06:28 gwak: even my kids can ;) Jun 19 12:06:41 It's really a shame that the input method isn't toolkit-neutral Jun 19 12:07:04 toni:could you take a look at this link, i am trying to update some firmware , but the site is all in finnish Jun 19 12:07:14 hello, is there xournal for the n800 ? Jun 19 12:07:46 toni:nevermind - i missed the 'english' flag button Jun 19 12:07:53 on the site Jun 19 12:08:17 greedo: at least there was Jun 19 12:08:35 http://downloads.maemo.org/product/xournal Jun 19 12:08:47 gwak: if you look at the /who list on #maemo you notice that quite many here can be expected to be able to read Finnish.. Jun 19 12:08:50 too bad it's for it2006 Jun 19 12:09:03 might still work on itos 2007. Jun 19 12:09:12 Toni:ok, then no finnish jokes here ;-] Jun 19 12:09:15 yeah could try Jun 19 12:13:38 * konttori just filed a enhancement request to bugs maemo to ask for download counters to downloads.maemo.org applications. Jun 19 12:13:39 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1560 Jun 19 12:15:37 i would be happy with proper filtering :D Jun 19 12:16:11 what do you mean by proper filtering? Jun 19 12:17:08 filtering on downloads.maemo.org doesn't work Jun 19 12:19:48 True Jun 19 12:20:16 btw, where is the source for dspctl? Jun 19 12:20:48 konttori: about the downloads. I added my screengrabber to downloads since there has been so many questions about how to get a screenshot.. ;) Jun 19 12:20:57 great! Jun 19 12:20:59 thanks! Jun 19 12:21:11 That was an app with GUI, right? Jun 19 12:22:35 konttori: I was about to do the same this morning. Jun 19 12:23:32 I filed a bug on the filtering: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1561 Jun 19 12:23:32 konttori: not really. Just a meny entry that launches osso-screenshot-tool Jun 19 12:23:53 Ahh... ok, well, if it has some delay, then that's perfectly fine. Jun 19 12:23:58 i.e. start the "app" and after 5secs you have a screenshot Jun 19 12:24:10 that's great, I think. Jun 19 12:24:19 let me know if it isn't :) Jun 19 12:29:26 * konttori filed feature request for anonymous people to be able to rate apps as well. Jun 19 12:29:27 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1562 Jun 19 12:29:40 I believe they are the ones that should be rating the apps, not developers. Jun 19 12:29:52 yep Jun 19 12:30:00 And currently it's so that almost only developers (and nokia people) have accounts. Jun 19 12:30:21 anonymous can cheat on those votes easily though.. Jun 19 12:30:40 Yeah, well, put a staff rating as well. Jun 19 12:31:07 And at the moment, I don't think it would be worse than no stars at all. Jun 19 12:31:16 * keesj added https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1563 Application installer to send feedback to the providing site if install fails Jun 19 12:31:38 And at the moment, if you have one vote, you can put 5 stars to your application. And yes, you can rate your own application at the moment. Jun 19 12:33:56 keesj: Very nice idea Jun 19 12:34:03 I commented on it. (in support) Jun 19 14:21:07 anybody home Jun 19 14:21:09 ??? Jun 19 14:21:17 Makefile:301: *** missing separator. Stop. Jun 19 14:21:18 * feig is at work Jun 19 14:21:25 i get this error... Jun 19 14:21:27 for this line Jun 19 14:21:40 (cd $$subdir && $(MAKE) $(AM_MAKEFLAGS) $$local_target) \ Jun 19 14:21:49 unique311: you should have tab somewwhere (in the beginning of the line) but you have space? Jun 19 14:21:53 +s Jun 19 14:27:24 thanks kulve Jun 19 14:52:20 are you aware of open source icons / graphics in png or svg that represent country flags ? Jun 19 14:59:48 greedo: Check for 'flag svg' on wikipedia.. Jun 19 15:01:59 All those flag svgs are public domain.. Jun 19 15:04:07 thx! Jun 19 15:41:12 * Jaffa yawns Jun 19 15:47:27 hi Jun 19 15:50:08 hmmmmm Jun 19 15:50:14 what is going on here Jun 19 15:50:24 http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/nokia800/20070518/ Jun 19 15:50:28 n800 Jun 19 15:50:53 angstrom for the n800 Jun 19 15:51:19 do i have it right... Jun 19 15:51:26 it says nokia800 Jun 19 15:53:20 it's an error or it is for N800 ? Jun 19 15:53:35 i think its for the n800 Jun 19 15:53:54 theirs another folder for nokia 770 Jun 19 15:53:58 but its empty... Jun 19 15:54:10 so i think it is for the N800 Jun 19 15:54:33 http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/nokia770/ Jun 19 15:55:49 it is... Jun 19 15:56:08 this guy Koen Kooi is the mentor for the project.. Jun 19 15:57:21 http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/ Jun 19 15:57:26 those are experiments to get a 99.9% opensource image running on the n800 Jun 19 15:57:28 hello, i got some probs with the app which i ported from GTK+ to maemo Jun 19 15:57:31 mid way, nokia770 and nokia800 Jun 19 15:58:03 i cant use the function gtk_wigdet_show /hide in maemo Jun 19 15:58:11 whats the percentage like on the N800 koen? Jun 19 15:58:28 only the umac.ko kernel-module is binary Jun 19 15:59:01 Sorry to be ignorant, but what is angstrom? Jun 19 15:59:21 and i cant catch motion_notify_event too Jun 19 15:59:32 konttori: Koen's fork of Familiar. Jun 19 15:59:54 nelson: it's not a fork Jun 19 16:00:14 konttori: and if your next question is "what is Familiar?" it's the Handhelds.org distro. Jun 19 16:00:19 fork being a good thing or bad? Jun 19 16:00:22 koen: no, of course ... it's a "move". Jun 19 16:00:23 hehe. Jun 19 16:00:39 I was actually already trying to get screenshot of it in the net Jun 19 16:00:40 http://opie.handhelds.org/gallery/main.php Jun 19 16:00:43 nelson: it is something completely new, it isn't based on familiar Jun 19 16:00:59 unique311: you can never tell with forks. Takes time. Jun 19 16:01:14 Angstrom is based on Familiar. Jun 19 16:01:17 http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=20587 konttorri Jun 19 16:01:20 http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=20587 konttori Jun 19 16:01:21 nelson: how so? Jun 19 16:01:28 nelson: any evidence for that? Jun 19 16:01:48 last I checked familiar wasn't EABI Jun 19 16:02:02 Koen: errrr, Angstrom is your fork of Familiar after we fired you as distro manager. Jun 19 16:02:18 angstrom exist way before that Jun 19 16:02:20 unique311: so, is that basically stripped gnome desktop? Jun 19 16:02:33 * nelson leaves Koen in his fantasy world. Jun 19 16:02:48 funny how something based on openzaurus is not a fork of familiar Jun 19 16:03:01 how does one flash the image? Jun 19 16:03:09 is it done with the standard nokia utility? Jun 19 16:03:19 most distro's out there or forks...nothing wrong with forks... Jun 19 16:03:27 nothing wrong with forks. Jun 19 16:03:35 Sometimes they're better than the original. Jun 19 16:03:58 For example, it looks like the GPE-Linuxtogo fork is better than the GPE-Handhelds original. Jun 19 16:04:10 So, is angstom good for end user use? Jun 19 16:04:15 fork is such a strong word...how about a distro based on another... Jun 19 16:04:48 unique311: I think people are unreasonably afraid of forks. Jun 19 16:05:10 forks exist because of a problem .... nobody forks if there are no problems to be solved. Jun 19 16:05:35 doesn't mean that a fork is inevitable, just that a fork is a reasonable solution to some problems. Jun 19 16:05:35 any idea pls Jun 19 16:05:47 vnese: I have no idea, sorry. Jun 19 16:06:56 so familiar is all you then nelson? Jun 19 16:07:17 when can we expect that on the n800? Jun 19 16:08:31 unique311: sigh. It really belongs on the n800, but I have too many demands on my time. Jun 19 16:09:39 oh it uses the same kernel as the one supplied by nokia Jun 19 16:09:59 which zyxulnag1 Jun 19 16:10:06 zImage-2.6.18-osso29-nokia800 Jun 19 16:10:09 familiar or angstrom Jun 19 16:10:11 angstorm Jun 19 16:10:21 oh, yeah, you'd be crazy not to. Jun 19 16:10:31 guessing we gonna see that on n800 before familiar.. Jun 19 16:10:39 I was hoping it had a better wireless/usb driver Jun 19 16:10:40 yep. Jun 19 16:10:43 same thing so its no biggie Jun 19 16:11:08 no, it's not the same thing. That's why Koen forked it. Jun 19 16:11:17 when can we expect this koen? Jun 19 16:12:00 nelson: again, support your slander with evidence Jun 19 16:12:32 koen: are you using the n800 drivers for wireless? Jun 19 16:12:44 zyxulnag1: yes Jun 19 16:12:55 you need the umac.ko that nokia ships with the device Jun 19 16:25:09 * k-s[WORK] is away: lunch! Jun 19 17:09:04 hello everybody Jun 19 17:29:01 hi Jun 19 17:39:30 ~logs Jun 19 17:39:31 i guess logs is apt/ibot/infobot/jbot/purl all log daily to http://ibot.rikers.org// where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/.html.gz Jun 19 17:53:09 Man, I just installed my dev version of ukmp on my win32 machine. All I did was install python 2.5 and pygame, then feed python the path to MediaCenter. graphics, audio, and sqlite worked out of the box. Python is amazing. Jun 19 17:57:34 I tried installing ukmp and gave up after failing with second level dependencies Jun 19 17:58:25 it's sad when stuff doesn't "just work" even with a centrally available repository Jun 19 18:00:41 tko: all ukmp requires is python. you can get that from the pymaemo project. Jun 19 18:01:00 I'm not sure what you mean by second level. Jun 19 18:01:30 ukmp complains about python, trying to install python complains about sdl something IIRC, I give up Jun 19 18:06:03 worked out of the box (but i already had python2.5-runtime installed that may ship nearly all that is pyhton related) Jun 19 18:09:36 yeah, python 2.5 should be all you need. Jun 19 18:09:42 tko: you using an n800? Jun 19 18:10:32 yep.. not having python I looked it up from the application catalog Jun 19 18:11:08 huh. I already had python on my n800. not sure where I got it from. Jun 19 18:11:12 canola maybe? Jun 19 18:12:24 trevarthan, tko, download it from pymaemo.garage.maemo.org Jun 19 18:14:12 so it's not in the obvious place, is it? Jun 19 18:14:25 why not? Jun 19 18:15:55 deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras bora free non-free Jun 19 18:16:24 apt-get install python2.5-runtime (from memory , not 100% about spelling) and here you go. Jun 19 18:17:02 melmoth, its right Jun 19 18:17:06 melmoth: I think you need do add: deb http://repository.maemo.org/ bora free non-free too... Jun 19 18:17:24 you can use the .install files from pymaemo website Jun 19 18:17:42 luck^: not the one from application catalog? Jun 19 18:18:31 tko, that one will have some unmet dependencies, because it doesn't install the base repository Jun 19 18:18:54 aCiDBaSe, possible..i have this one as well :) Jun 19 18:18:58 nice going... Jun 19 18:19:17 doesn't anyone think of the users? Jun 19 18:19:49 we can't add more than one repo to the apt/Application Installer using a .install file and python requires some dependencies from Maemo SDK repository... Jun 19 18:20:00 then we need to provide 2 .install files Jun 19 18:20:38 I think the new application installer will support install files with more than 1 source repository Jun 19 18:20:42 one to add the Maemo SDK repository and other to add the Extras repository (and install python2.5-runtime) Jun 19 18:22:01 bare minimum we shouldn't be putting things in the app installer that depend on external repos. Jun 19 18:24:02 BTW, konttori and I have ukmp caching ID3 meta data in our dev versions right now. He wrote one that uses flat files and I wrote one that uses sqlite. I'm waiting on him to decide which we'll use in the immediate future. I think ukmp stands a good chance at being the best player for maemo a few months from now. Jun 19 18:24:35 I'm going to be working on a2dpd support in the next few days. Jun 19 18:24:41 should be sweet. Jun 19 18:56:03 * k-s[AWAY_WORK] is back. Jun 19 19:19:48 anyone know how to mount an nfs volume on the N800? Jun 19 19:20:39 yeah Jun 19 19:20:57 load the modules, install real mount and mount Jun 19 19:20:59 (I think Jun 19 19:21:01 ) Jun 19 19:21:13 Yes Jun 19 19:22:13 (no GUI ways around that I know of) Jun 19 19:25:53 anyone know howto update the libglade2 on my 770 with hacker2007 ? :( Jun 19 19:29:42 zuh: I think you missed step 0: write GUI for... :) Jun 19 19:31:18 tko: Yeah, it should be "write/port gnomevfs-plugin and make the filemanager allow mounting" but I guess that's not going to happen ;) Jun 19 19:31:43 Well, I guess the plugin would be mostly unneccessary Jun 19 20:02:35 no one know about libglade2 ? Jun 19 20:02:49 :( Jun 19 20:03:17 no one knows about how to setup sbox under ubuntu festy , and get the dns working! Jun 19 20:03:58 * VimS is googles sbox ;) Jun 19 20:04:43 keesj: it's a faq Jun 19 20:04:59 find the broken nsswitch.conf and remove mdns from it Jun 19 20:05:13 iirc it's in /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf Jun 19 20:05:31 ahh scratchbox -_- Jun 19 20:05:38 and the important line is the one that should say "hosts: files dns" but instead mentions two more (nonexistent) modules Jun 19 20:06:09 seems like everybody got a n800 these days, hm? :/ Jun 19 20:08:01 mgedmin: you make me feel so good! thanks Jun 19 20:08:39 is was looking in /etc/ of the sbox target Jun 19 20:09:14 (I am using the new sbox package from sbox.org) Jun 19 20:10:15 yes, that's confusing Jun 19 20:10:33 I guess they must have worked very hard to make it not work :P Jun 19 20:10:34 there's resolv.conf in the target's /etc, and also in the target's /scratchbox/etc Jun 19 20:10:44 same with nsswitch.conf Jun 19 20:11:12 (and target's /scratchbox is the same as host's /scratchbox due to the magick of bind mounts) Jun 19 21:00:01 Hey, can I use the bluetooth logo in an application I'm writing? Or is that an infringement of copyright? I notice that KDE uses the logo on their kbluetoothd tray icon and we use it in our tray. What's the deal with that? Jun 19 21:02:45 trevarthan, http://www.phptr.com/articles/article.asp?p=24244&seqNum=3&rl=1 Jun 19 21:03:08 I am not a lawyer, but it seems to be usable if a product has succeeded in this program Jun 19 21:03:21 great.... Jun 19 21:05:51 Hey everybody, I've been trying to install Octave with the one-click install from downloads.maemo.org, but for some reason it appears to send the install file as text/plain and it only shows the text in my browser, any hints why this happens? Jun 19 21:13:42 hello Jun 19 21:15:26 oh I see the thing lies on an external server so it's probably misconfigured :/ Jun 19 21:21:57 Need Help! Question for n800 developers- we are creating a flash app for the n800 that will be stored locally. In our tests the flash performance of the n800 has been extremely slow using basic animations such as fades from one image to the next for small images. The frame rates for video have also been extremely disappointing. Any advice on optimizing the n800 for flash? For example we are looking at turning off all processes exce Jun 19 21:23:04 you got cut off at "off all processes exce Jun 19 21:23:27 if you want it to look really fancy i'm not sure if flash is the way to go.. Jun 19 21:24:33 ok since it appears I can't install that octave package, and as I'm new to this, is there much you need to do, if you want to compile some linux cli program on the n800? Jun 19 21:24:33 We're mostly visual designers so we don't have many options Jun 19 21:25:08 and i don't really see that much performance hike you could expect from turning off some bg processes that don't really eat that much cpu at all anyhow Jun 19 21:26:17 i suggest putting the flash to medium quality mode Jun 19 21:26:32 that should get the framerate to a dacent speed Jun 19 21:26:38 decent even Jun 19 21:26:50 off to sleep. good night Jun 19 21:26:54 we are doing that.. but video framerates have also sadly been very slow Jun 19 21:28:41 we are hoping that another firmware update might help a bit Jun 19 21:34:03 naderman, the server reports the wrong mime type and the n800 browser is not man enough to overrule it Jun 19 21:35:12 yeah, anyway I can make it load it anyway without copying the file to my own server and sending it with correct mime type? Jun 19 21:35:18 as workaround, save the page and open the file directly with the AM Jun 19 21:35:32 ah heh kind of obvious Jun 19 21:35:37 thanks ;-) Jun 19 21:37:05 though I also noticed it says IT OS 2006, and I use 2007, what are the chances it'll work anyway? Jun 19 21:37:09 boo, it's not for it os 2007 Jun 19 21:37:33 heh so I guess I'll have to do it myself? :/ Jun 19 21:38:34 do what? compile? Jun 19 21:38:46 yeah get it running on the n800 somehow Jun 19 21:39:04 as I said I have no idea what this maemo stuff works like so far, only got it three days ago ;-) Jun 19 21:39:22 i'll play a bit with th .install file... Jun 19 21:40:10 it's a bit off a mess.... the maemo stuff Jun 19 21:40:34 heh Jun 19 21:43:06 hmm looks like quite a bit of reading, this'll have to wait a bit, good night Jun 19 21:46:11