**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jun 21 02:59:57 2007
Jun 21 03:19:18 * cesman_away is back.
Jun 21 06:06:38 <inz> Damn touchpad... I just accidentally deleted one maemo-developers email from gmail spam folder :/
Jun 21 06:06:56 <inz> /me wants a touch screen on laptop too ;)
Jun 21 06:28:10 <fish_> re
Jun 21 06:28:25 <konttori> Morning!
Jun 21 06:28:40 <konttori> I need some help with python & gtk
Jun 21 06:29:06 <konttori> How can I make gtk refresh the screen?
Jun 21 06:29:57 <konttori> I tried adding short sleep to the app, but that didn't help
Jun 21 06:34:23 <inz> gtk refreshes the screen during main loop
Jun 21 06:35:11 <inz> In C you can handle any pending events with: while (gtk_events_pending()) gtk_main_iteration();
Jun 21 06:35:25 <inz> I'm guessing you can do that in python too
Jun 21 06:38:08 <inz> just replace the first underscore with period
Jun 21 06:38:48 <unique311> konttori, mapping the skin was easy actually...
Jun 21 06:38:51 <melmoth> konttori, if you are doing something that is I/O intensive (such as downloading a file...), you have to do it in a separate thread
Jun 21 06:38:58 <melmoth> otherwise, your app will feel frozen
Jun 21 06:39:01 <konttori> Really?
Jun 21 06:39:04 <melmoth> really
Jun 21 06:39:09 <unique311> did 2 skins..the palmV and the m180
Jun 21 06:39:11 <konttori> Damn.
Jun 21 06:39:20 <melmoth> well, that s in pure gtk..May be a dbus call to a download script ?
Jun 21 06:39:23 <inz> melmoth, not necessarily, asynchronous I/O can be done too
Jun 21 06:39:30 <unique311> uploading a video now...i have screenshots..will upload those to flicker
Jun 21 06:39:52 <melmoth> mhh, oh yes, with gnome-vfs there are some async file transfert commande possible
Jun 21 06:40:41 <inz> I think gnome-vfs uses threads, but anyway ;)
Jun 21 06:41:07 <konttori> melmoth: thanks for the info. I just hoped there was an easier way.
Jun 21 06:41:28 <konttori> damn, that stings.
Jun 21 06:41:36 <inz> Asynchronous stuff tends to take a bit more effort, but then again threads can (will) bite you too ;)
Jun 21 06:45:25 <unique311> http://www.flickr.com/photos/unique0nez/
Jun 21 06:45:33 <unique311> here's screenshots...
Jun 21 06:48:57 <unique311> on youtube...a quck search for N800 running palm OS 4.1 wiil bring up the video..
Jun 21 06:49:25 <konttori> unique311: really nice
Jun 21 06:49:31 <konttori> congrats!
Jun 21 06:49:50 <unique311> thanks...pupnik should be here for this.
Jun 21 06:49:54 <unique311> his project....
Jun 21 06:50:22 <unique311> not sure if i should package it up...
Jun 21 06:58:55 <rwhitby> unique311: please do package it up
Jun 21 06:59:58 <unique311> i'll try to get it done by morning....
Jun 21 07:08:55 <zuh> unique311: didn't find the video, you don't happen to have the url for it?
Jun 21 07:10:16 <unique311> hold on
Jun 21 07:12:08 <unique311> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPF19gypbGo
Jun 21 07:14:54 <zuh> thanks
Jun 21 07:15:12 <unique311> np
Jun 21 08:01:08 <rwhitby> unique311: are you packaging the whole pose, or just your skins?  If the latter, do you have a url for the rest of the pose application?
Jun 21 08:02:07 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Jun 21 08:08:31 <gpd> FYI: mediatomb works well with canola as UPnP server
Jun 21 08:11:41 <sbaturzioAtWork> Aloha!
Jun 21 08:15:32 * konttori got the downloader working properly now. Will publish it in a few minutes.
Jun 21 08:20:28 <konttori> https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/1647/UKMP-1.3-uktube.deb
Jun 21 08:20:35 <konttori> There!
Jun 21 08:21:02 <konttori> Now, bear in mind that it's mostly a proof of concept, but it should serve as a nice tool as well.
Jun 21 08:33:51 <rwhitby> konttori: I just happen to have rwhitby-n800 running x-chat, so I can download that directly from the x-chat session there :-)
Jun 21 08:34:16 <konttori> https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/1647/UKMP-1.3-uktube.deb
Jun 21 08:34:21 <konttori> http://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/1647/UKMP-1.3-uktube.deb
Jun 21 08:34:34 <konttori> It's there - ready for consumption.
Jun 21 08:34:49 <konttori> Bundled with ukmp 1.3 as I didn't have the time to make a separate package.
Jun 21 08:35:02 * rwhitby runs uktube
Jun 21 08:35:17 <rwhitby> got a handle url you know works?
Jun 21 08:35:49 * rwhitby has only really used youtube to watch some google edu videos
Jun 21 08:37:57 <rwhitby> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XpnKHJAok8
Jun 21 08:40:30 * gpd runs UKMP for first time
Jun 21 08:41:11 <rwhitby> konttori: does it save the video somewhere, so you have play it again while you're offline?
Jun 21 08:41:41 <konttori> mmc1
Jun 21 08:41:42 <konttori> root
Jun 21 08:41:44 * rwhitby watches it download 160MB ...
Jun 21 08:42:11 <konttori> All youtube urls should work
Jun 21 08:42:36 <rwhitby> I'm testing that one above right now
Jun 21 08:42:46 <gpd> looks genious: only problem is taht google maps cache takes up all the space on my 2G car
Jun 21 08:43:06 <konttori> gpd. maybe you need to have 2 cards. And swap every once in a while.
Jun 21 08:43:35 <gpd> right now I am ignoring the problem by not leaving the house and using UPnP :D
Jun 21 08:43:54 <konttori> If you want a little smaller clip. try this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZrr7AZ9nCY
Jun 21 08:44:00 <konttori> that's 6 mb
Jun 21 08:46:33 <gpd> anyone know a fancy system to sync random songs or playlists to an sd card or other location?
Jun 21 08:49:14 <rwhitby> konttori: can you do the same magic for google videos?
Jun 21 08:49:39 <konttori> I don't know. probably.
Jun 21 08:49:50 <gpd> konttori: do I need to restart to rescan media cards?
Jun 21 08:50:04 <konttori> nope?
Jun 21 08:50:04 <gpd> konttori: also, is there a way to exclude dirs from the scan?
Jun 21 08:50:18 <konttori> It will exclude dir titled: Maps
Jun 21 08:50:32 <konttori> So, put everything you don't want scanned in there.
Jun 21 08:50:51 <gpd> hmm.. all my maps are in Cache :(
Jun 21 08:50:52 <konttori> Anyway, it'll make a db of your files, so after first start it'll be quite fast.
Jun 21 08:51:01 <rwhitby> konttori: how do I replay something that has been downloaded earlier?
Jun 21 08:51:06 <gpd> Genius use of the + and - buttons for volume btw!
Jun 21 08:51:10 <konttori> otoh: if you have maemo mapper maps, put them to a folder called: Maps
Jun 21 08:51:18 <konttori> rwithby: open mplayer
Jun 21 08:51:23 <konttori> they'll be in the list
Jun 21 08:51:38 <konttori> gpd: thanks!
Jun 21 08:51:58 <gpd> ok copied a folder of music: found and running -- loving it :D
Jun 21 08:52:00 <rwhitby> konttori: ah, I guess I need to install mplayer separately :-)
Jun 21 08:53:08 <rwhitby> anyone got a handle url for mplayer download?
Jun 21 08:54:14 <gpd> konttori: I would expect the pause to switch to play image as a former mac user
Jun 21 08:55:09 <gpd> hmm. maybe just a little buggy as it does it sometimes but not others
Jun 21 08:55:49 <konttori> gpd: it is sometimes a bit buggy.
Jun 21 08:56:01 <gpd> konttori: so how do i initiate a rescan?
Jun 21 08:56:09 <konttori> Open it again
Jun 21 08:56:17 <konttori> rwithby: http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/2007/06/uktube-smooth-playback-of-youtube-files.html
Jun 21 08:56:20 <gpd> ok - so restart the app, no problem
Jun 21 08:56:40 <konttori> There is instructions on uktube install.
Jun 21 08:56:45 <konttori> it includes mplayer install link
Jun 21 08:56:57 <gpd> I'd say the exit button isn't obvious if I were to comment on such a minor thing
Jun 21 08:57:02 <konttori> Made it while we were discussing, so sorry for idling
Jun 21 08:57:30 <AD-N770> good morning
Jun 21 08:58:50 <gpd> konttori: fantastic work all round: some other comments if you care...
Jun 21 08:59:03 <konttori> sure!
Jun 21 08:59:22 <gpd> as I often listen to very long tracks (2hrs) it would be nice to have the option of a progress slider: but i realize this is painful / no light
Jun 21 09:00:15 <konttori> yeah. been thinking about it to be included at some point
Jun 21 09:00:40 <konttori> did you notice that there is a seek functionality (keep dpad pressed right /left)
Jun 21 09:01:04 <gpd> just noticed the D-pad in general : very good addition
Jun 21 09:04:07 <gpd> konttori: I am having difficulty faulting it! great app - your work is very much appreciated.  If you have plans for UPnP support then you will be my hero forever!
Jun 21 09:04:31 <konttori> I am collaborating with coherence guys on making that happen
Jun 21 09:04:35 <konttori> I hope it does.
Jun 21 09:04:53 <konttori> It's just that this is all for free and I have only so much time in a day to do pro bono work.
Jun 21 09:05:13 <konttori> perhaps nokia could subsidise me ;)
Jun 21 09:05:16 <gpd> of course! and canola fills that gap so not really necessary: don't want the kitchen sink
Jun 21 09:05:51 <gpd> I need to think about an app that will allow me to sync a folder of music to the N800 with a daily selection of tunes
Jun 21 09:06:49 <konttori> use itunes. works wonderfully for me
Jun 21 09:07:30 <gpd> itunes smart playlists? syncing to where?
Jun 21 09:07:51 <gwak> http://jaaksi.blogspot.com/2007/06/middle-management-sandwich.html
Jun 21 09:08:07 <konttori> I'm using party list set to large enough size, then press the recreate party list and I then copy those songs to the device
Jun 21 09:08:56 <gpd> nice idea: will try it
Jun 21 09:10:29 <rwhitby> konttori: nice work on uktube.  works for me perfectly.
Jun 21 09:10:41 <konttori> rwithby. great to hear that!
Jun 21 09:10:51 <rwhitby> I'll be able to watch the linus git video on the bus home thanks to you :-)
Jun 21 09:11:12 <konttori> Great! And thanks to you I'm listening to it right now.
Jun 21 09:11:59 <`0660> that was an entertaining video :)
Jun 21 09:12:04 <konttori> Anyway, a really good youtube player could be derived from that uktube proof of concept app
Jun 21 09:13:46 <konttori> But, I hope that app will suffice for a while.
Jun 21 09:15:07 <rwhitby> konttori: any idea if there would be a way for the click and hold in the browser to give an option to pass the url to uktube?
Jun 21 09:15:59 <konttori> someone could make a opera plugin
Jun 21 09:16:33 <`0660> is it possible to make plugins in opera?
Jun 21 09:18:16 <`0660> probably not :/
Jun 21 09:20:11 <konttori> it is possible
Jun 21 09:20:19 <konttori> flash is a plugin in there
Jun 21 09:20:32 <konttori> and so is the nokias real media tool
Jun 21 09:21:15 <konttori> I'm making a video example in a sec.
Jun 21 09:27:03 <c0ffee> leo beduerfnisse
Jun 21 09:27:08 <c0ffee> hups
Jun 21 09:27:10 <c0ffee> ignore that
Jun 21 09:40:14 <Anidel> good morning guys
Jun 21 09:58:05 <gwak> does anybody know what nokia does with the Semantic Web site?
Jun 21 09:58:23 <gwak> http://sw.nokia.com/
Jun 21 10:05:13 <konttori> I just uploaded demonstration video of UKTUBE to youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gy-SGsItwPA
Jun 21 10:05:42 <konttori> <spam>Everyone! Download!!!!! </spam>
Jun 21 10:07:50 <gwak> do not taunt the show video button ;-]
Jun 21 10:09:05 <gwak> here is a spoof of the ms surface thing
Jun 21 10:09:07 <gwak> Event:http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/clips/microsoft-surface-the-parody-270782.php
Jun 21 10:09:27 <konttori> I was just watching that in the demo video. It's a good one.
Jun 21 10:14:29 <konttori> hmm.. odd.. It's not on planet maemo rss feed
Jun 21 10:14:31 <osfameron> heh
Jun 21 10:14:34 <konttori> the blog I mean
Jun 21 10:14:37 <osfameron> though acutally, I think the table idea isn't taht bad
Jun 21 10:14:50 <konttori> nope. good things about the idea.
Jun 21 10:15:03 <konttori> it's just not revolutionary, and not worth 10k
Jun 21 10:15:13 <gwak> i agree, i think it would be great to to have at pub
Jun 21 10:15:24 <konttori> ok, it may ed up being revolutionary. bt not worth 10k.
Jun 21 10:15:56 <X-Fade> konttori: The cool thing is, that it isn't a touchscreen..
Jun 21 10:16:01 <gwak> i like the idea of setting you mobile phone on the display
Jun 21 10:16:13 <konttori> yeah. we have a media wall here in helsinki that works in the same way.
Jun 21 10:17:01 <konttori> http://citywall.org/pages/about
Jun 21 10:17:04 <X-Fade> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXBbi0gWuCg Touchlight is also nice..
Jun 21 10:17:37 <konttori> For those of you using uktube, here is youtube link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkNq3cYGTPE
Jun 21 10:18:11 <konttori> Now, isn't it wonderfull that finally those with 3g connections and 800 can actually see those youtube links that are so persistent these days?
Jun 21 10:18:48 <konttori> anyway, the wall in helsinki is using projector and is much larger than the example video in that youtube clip
Jun 21 10:23:18 <konttori> X-Fade: looks nice!
Jun 21 10:29:48 <konttori> ahh.. rss feed has been updated. uktube link is now there.
Jun 21 10:41:53 <konttori> rwithby: If a plugin to opera was possible, it would be great to just modify all youtube areas on pages to buttons that say play in fullscreen.
Jun 21 10:47:42 <konttori> Good article on dvelopment practices: http://www.scottberkun.com/blog/2007/asshole-driven-development/
Jun 21 10:48:02 <konttori> I like the: Development By Denial (DBD)
Jun 21 10:48:19 <konttori> must be part of quite a few projects out there
Jun 21 10:49:11 <konttori> Oh! I just realized I'v been in a company that practiced: Not allowed to do development (NADD)
Jun 21 10:49:45 <konttori> Back in the days they outsourced the developemnt to some big cosulting agencies, who didn't either have any developers around
Jun 21 11:00:04 <perror> hi all... I'm getting some problems connecting to a WPA/EAP/TLS network. When I need to select certificate to use, I get only the "None" option although I have registered the certificate in the certificate manager (for "Authorities"). Any hints, ideas are welcome. ^_^
Jun 21 11:00:58 <konttori> sounds odd that you registered it as authorities
Jun 21 11:01:12 <konttori> authorities means that they are allowed to create certificates
Jun 21 11:01:26 <konttori> I think you should install the certificate to another location
Jun 21 11:01:48 <perror> Hmmm. And install it as "user"...
Jun 21 11:01:59 <konttori> maybe
Jun 21 11:02:02 <perror> I give this a try. Thanks ! ;)
Jun 21 11:05:29 <pupnik> hi unique311
Jun 21 11:07:11 <pupnik> acydlord: AD-N770 derf gla55 JussiP keesj koen konttori kulve MDK_ mgedmin sbaturzioAtWork sxpert timeless tigert tko
Jun 21 11:07:14 <pupnik> :P
Jun 21 11:07:19 <konttori> ?
Jun 21 11:07:29 <pupnik> just saying hi
Jun 21 11:07:45 <konttori> pupnik: try the uktube. It rocks!
Jun 21 11:07:58 <pupnik> even on a 770?
Jun 21 11:08:02 <konttori> YEah
Jun 21 11:08:03 <unique311> yo
Jun 21 11:08:04 <konttori> http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/2007/06/uktube-smooth-playback-of-youtube-files.html
Jun 21 11:08:05 <unique311> stranger
Jun 21 11:08:14 <pupnik> sweeet
Jun 21 11:08:18 <unique311> i solved the issue with pose
Jun 21 11:08:31 <unique311> well not completetly
Jun 21 11:09:48 <pupnik> what issue
Jun 21 11:09:49 <unique311> i was definitely not looking forward to packaging it up...want to package it up pupnik...
Jun 21 11:10:02 <unique311> http://www.flickr.com/photos/unique0nez/
Jun 21 11:10:15 <unique311> instead of going fullscreen...
Jun 21 11:10:52 <pupnik> hey double size
Jun 21 11:11:03 <unique311> modified the skin file to move the touchscreen and buttons to setup with a customized skin file..
Jun 21 11:11:06 <unique311> yes
Jun 21 11:11:15 <pupnik> nice
Jun 21 11:11:37 <unique311> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPF19gypbGo
Jun 21 11:12:53 <unique311> have 2 custome skins so far the m505 and the m130
Jun 21 11:13:23 <pupnik> hows text entry on teh n800
Jun 21 11:14:33 <unique311> descent... on on the notepad..
Jun 21 11:14:40 <unique311> well actually good..
Jun 21 11:14:49 <unique311> had to work on the graffiti area...
Jun 21 11:15:02 <unique311> so abc and 123 could be chosen..
Jun 21 11:15:19 <unique311> only discrep on the 2 skins i did..
Jun 21 11:15:24 <florian> hi all
Jun 21 11:15:30 <unique311> but all the buttons are mapped..
Jun 21 11:15:36 <unique311> which is good..
Jun 21 11:15:55 <unique311> pretty much did a 720x420 skin.
Jun 21 11:15:58 <pupnik> http://youtube.com/watch?v=67fFDiPRsrk human trebuchet / new transportation
Jun 21 11:17:08 <unique311> so will you make a deb file now?
Jun 21 11:17:16 <pupnik> no
Jun 21 11:17:18 <unique311> the project is yours on maemo.
Jun 21 11:17:23 <unique311> aww man..
Jun 21 11:17:27 <pupnik> i don't have the source
Jun 21 11:17:30 <pupnik> i mean the skin
Jun 21 11:18:16 <unique311> i have them...think i worked on them all day to just keep for self...
Jun 21 11:18:47 <pupnik> hey i like the blue one too
Jun 21 11:19:47 <pupnik> no sorry
Jun 21 11:20:09 <pupnik> yeah it would be great to put it into a package for garage
Jun 21 11:20:52 <pupnik> this is great news unique311
Jun 21 11:21:03 <pupnik> good work
Jun 21 11:21:29 <unique311> it just work...
Jun 21 11:21:58 <unique311> i
Jun 21 11:22:06 <unique311> i'll pack it up....
Jun 21 11:22:27 <unique311> it'll be a good learning experience.
Jun 21 11:22:53 <unique311> was suppose to have it this morning...but fell asleep on a video i was watching last night..
Jun 21 11:22:56 <pupnik> the black skin on flickr looks great
Jun 21 11:23:08 <unique311> the m130
Jun 21 11:23:17 <unique311> OS4.1
Jun 21 11:23:20 <pupnik> yeah
Jun 21 11:23:28 <unique311> palmV uses OS4.0
Jun 21 11:23:43 <unique311> got a couple of apps installed and running..
Jun 21 11:23:52 <unique311> HostFS works...
Jun 21 11:24:08 <unique311> looking for a way to make it pick up SD card...
Jun 21 11:24:18 <pupnik> hmm
Jun 21 11:24:35 <unique311> guessing the SD card needs to be formatted fo this...
Jun 21 11:24:48 <gla55> hmm
Jun 21 11:24:57 <unique311> i have extraz..a little reseatch on that will not take long.
Jun 21 11:25:03 <gla55> shouldn't it just be fat?
Jun 21 11:25:15 <gla55> if it accesses it directly
Jun 21 11:25:26 <unique311> never own a palm..
Jun 21 11:25:34 <unique311> well i did...long time ago..
Jun 21 11:25:48 <unique311> 2002 version years of palm
Jun 21 11:27:15 <unique311> when i click on card info...it displays no Card inserted..
Jun 21 11:28:09 <gla55> i had a tungsten a while back
Jun 21 11:28:27 <gla55> the sd card read just fine in a card reader iirc as fat..
Jun 21 11:28:48 <gla55> on that particular model scummvm didn't run though
Jun 21 11:31:39 <pupnik> have you tried unique311's new version gla55 ?
Jun 21 11:32:41 <unique311> i didn't share the .skin and the jpegs file yet pupnik.
Jun 21 11:33:05 <unique311> i wanted to at least package pose up before doing so.
Jun 21 11:33:09 <gla55> pupnik: no
Jun 21 11:34:07 <unique311> if i fail at doing so, then i will just tar everything up and upload it and share it..
Jun 21 11:37:37 <inz> http://flickr.com/photos/9114076@N03/580364131/
Jun 21 11:37:57 <inz> (the screenshot is taken and uploaded with MH Shot tool ;)
Jun 21 11:38:12 <unique311> that i like
Jun 21 11:40:08 * pupnik hijacks an airliner with a sippy-cup
Jun 21 11:41:06 <konttori> inz: very nice!!
Jun 21 11:44:00 <tigert> inz: yay!
Jun 21 11:46:11 <inz> Gotta flash a fresh bora to se if it works on N800
Jun 21 11:46:25 <inz> Or if I have to recompile for it
Jun 21 11:46:32 <inz> (already in mistral repository)
Jun 21 11:47:34 <inz> The UI is shitty.. I wanted to make it a dialog, but it just doesn't work :(
Jun 21 11:48:13 <inz> Or then I should've used the mobile profile, that might actually work better.
Jun 21 11:48:44 <acydlord> i'm waiting for my torrents to finish so i can get the bora sdk again
Jun 21 11:49:00 <acydlord> realized i never downloaded it when i did this recent debian install lol
Jun 21 12:07:04 <inz> feh, need to rebuild...
Jun 21 12:08:18 * pupnik 's chargin his sippy cup
Jun 21 12:16:06 <inz> http://www.flickr.com/photos/9114076@N03/580478803/ now it runs on n800 too ;)
Jun 21 12:16:13 <inz> http://maemo-hackers.org/mh-shot-tool.install
Jun 21 13:18:00 <henkt> I lost my /scratchbox/tools/bin/env    file
Jun 21 13:18:13 <henkt> any help?
Jun 21 13:19:28 <pupnik> you have a backup?
Jun 21 13:28:17 <henkt> am not sure
Jun 21 13:28:28 <henkt> am a bit new for this environement
Jun 21 13:29:10 <pupnik> i don't have a scratchbox machine here, so i can't check
Jun 21 13:34:51 <ian_brasil> hi...anyone can give a very quick explanation for the difference between the 'home' 'task navigator' or 'statusbar' options when creating a hildon desktop plugin
Jun 21 13:35:34 <pupnik> henkt, either setup another scratchbox target or reinstall one somewhere
Jun 21 13:35:38 <inz> ian, 'home' goes to the "desktop", visible only when no other windows open
Jun 21 13:35:51 <inz> ian, 'task navigator' goes to the bar on the left
Jun 21 13:36:00 <inz> ian, and 'statusbar' goes to the bar on top
Jun 21 13:36:41 <ian_brasil> excellent...thanks very much
Jun 21 13:55:34 <henkt> pupnik, I dont want to install maemo again
Jun 21 13:59:35 <henkt> will Xephyr has to be re installed also? if I remove and install scratch box?
Jun 21 14:02:33 <pupnik> no
Jun 21 14:03:19 <pupnik> if you do it in kvm / vmware it makes backups/snapshots easy, but beware, it can lead to large drive images
Jun 21 14:13:38 <henkt> so what I do now?
Jun 21 14:22:30 <aruiz> hi there
Jun 21 14:22:47 <aruiz> does anyone knows how to setup a WPA instead of WEP enabled key for the N800?
Jun 21 14:24:26 <gla55> only ever used wpa-psk
Jun 21 14:25:44 <henkt> pupnik, r u there?
Jun 21 14:25:51 <pupnik> jawohl
Jun 21 14:26:18 <pupnik> i don't know whether that file is part of the scratchbox target
Jun 21 14:26:24 <pupnik> or if you need to reinstall scratchbox
Jun 21 14:26:55 * pupnik is blogging/posting about Ron Paul ":D
Jun 21 14:32:34 <henkt> I am going to install scratchbox-core
Jun 21 14:37:26 <henkt> pupnik, can u tell me the steps to install   scratchbox-core-1.0.7-i386.tar.gz
Jun 21 14:37:46 <pupnik> you can tar xzvf scratchbox-core*
Jun 21 14:38:11 <pupnik> then find . -name env in that directory
Jun 21 14:38:18 <pupnik> or use konqueror or something to find your missing file
Jun 21 14:38:20 <pupnik> i think :0
Jun 21 14:38:55 <henkt> ok let me check
Jun 21 14:50:25 <henkt> hi, pupnik, it works now tanks a lot
Jun 21 14:59:20 <pupnik> :)
Jun 21 15:02:56 <henkt> I wanted to run helloworld written with python on maemo platform
Jun 21 15:03:26 <henkt> after I make the file "hello_world_1.py" executable
Jun 21 15:03:58 <henkt> when I run      run-standalone.sh ./hello_world_1.py
Jun 21 15:04:03 <henkt> it says
Jun 21 15:04:29 <henkt> /scratchbox/tools/bin/env: python2.5: No such file or directory
Jun 21 15:04:29 <henkt> /scratchbox/tools/bin/env: python2.5: No such file or directory
Jun 21 15:04:29 <henkt> /scratchbox/tools/bin/env: python2.5: No such file or directory
Jun 21 15:05:38 <henkt> any idea?
Jun 21 15:07:03 <pupnik> does your hello_world_1.py have #! python2.5 in the first line?
Jun 21 15:07:44 <henkt> it is   #!/usr/bin/env python2.5
Jun 21 15:09:01 <pupnik> do you have python 2.5 installed?
Jun 21 15:09:15 <pupnik> i don't think it comes with scratchbox
Jun 21 15:09:24 <henkt> I think so. how to check
Jun 21 15:10:18 <pupnik> apt-cache policy python2.5
Jun 21 15:10:35 <henkt> on scratch box or outside scratchbox ?
Jun 21 15:10:38 <pupnik> python2.5: Installed: (none)
Jun 21 15:10:41 <pupnik> inside sb
Jun 21 15:10:47 <pupnik> i don't have it installed
Jun 21 15:12:06 <henkt> it said      W: Unable to locate package python2.5
Jun 21 15:12:38 <pupnik> i think some people have made packages for python2.5 but they are not in the standard repository
Jun 21 15:12:52 <pupnik> google maemo and python2.5
Jun 21 15:13:17 <pupnik> http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/pymaemo25_releasenotes.html
Jun 21 15:15:52 <henkt> I downloaded two .install files   	 	Base repository 	Python 2.5 installer 	
Jun 21 15:16:04 <henkt> what I do next
Jun 21 15:18:17 <pupnik> ok you can dpkg -i *.deb
Jun 21 15:18:21 <pupnik> whatever deb file you got
Jun 21 15:18:36 <pupnik> you might have to add them in a certain order.  usually libraries (lib*) first
Jun 21 15:18:48 <pupnik> i have no experience with python though
Jun 21 15:19:09 <pupnik> it will inform you of any missing dependencies
Jun 21 15:21:43 * k-s[WORK] is away: lunch
Jun 21 15:25:12 <henkt> dpkg: error processing kerez_0.0.2-1_armel.deb (--install):
Jun 21 15:25:12 <henkt>  package architecture (armel) does not match system (i386)
Jun 21 15:25:12 <henkt> Errors were encountered while processing:
Jun 21 15:25:12 <henkt>  kerez_0.0.2-1_armel.deb
Jun 21 15:25:39 <pupnik> ok that means you are in the i386 target
Jun 21 15:25:50 <pupnik> scratchbox can run in several different 'targets'
Jun 21 15:25:53 <henkt> but i did it out side sb
Jun 21 15:26:02 <pupnik> oh
Jun 21 15:26:41 <pupnik> well those .deb files must be installed on a 770/800 or within the scratchbox 'armel' target
Jun 21 15:26:54 <pupnik> this is an environment that emulates the cpu of the nokia
Jun 21 15:27:54 <henkt> ok
Jun 21 15:29:41 <henkt> am on [sbox-SDK_X86: ~]  now
Jun 21 15:35:38 <pupnik> yeah you need to use sb-menu to switch to sb-arm or sb-armel
Jun 21 15:35:49 <pupnik> if you have set it up
Jun 21 15:38:46 <henkt> when i enter       sb-conf select SDK_ARMEL
Jun 21 15:38:56 <henkt> it ask me to close x
Jun 21 15:38:57 <pupnik> ah yes
Jun 21 15:39:05 <henkt> x86
Jun 21 15:39:23 <henkt> how to close it
Jun 21 15:39:48 <pupnik> isn't sb-conf outdated?  i forgot
Jun 21 15:40:26 <henkt> I thik sb-conf or sb-menu both work
Jun 21 15:44:03 <pupnik> i think scratchbox wants you to close other login sessions
Jun 21 15:44:14 <pupnik> you can have multiple logins to scratchbox targets
Jun 21 15:44:18 <henkt> yes I couldnt
Jun 21 15:45:57 <henkt> sb-conf: You must close your other Scratchbox sessions first
Jun 21 15:46:06 <henkt> hm..
Jun 21 15:46:50 <pupnik> yeah "exit" or Ctrl-d
Jun 21 15:51:06 <henkt> then it will get out form scratchbox
Jun 21 15:53:23 <henkt> when I log in to sb inistally, it gose to [sbox-SDK_x86:~]
Jun 21 15:56:46 <henkt> okey cio then will try to change my target and install python
Jun 21 16:22:23 * k-s[AWAY_WORK] is back.
Jun 21 17:10:43 <unique311> after changing my routers ip address....scratchbox apt-get update worn't work..
Jun 21 17:10:50 <unique311> the net works fine..
Jun 21 17:11:13 <unique311> but when i run apt-get update doesn't seem to want to work..
Jun 21 17:11:35 <unique311> 4% [Connecting to repository.maemo.org] [Connecting to catalogue.tableteer.noki[
Jun 21 17:11:38 <unique311> thats all
Jun 21 17:11:41 <unique311> i get
Jun 21 17:12:53 <unique311> hmmm just tried wget and thats not working either
Jun 21 17:13:28 <unique311> Resolving ftp.debian.org... failed: Host not found.
Jun 21 17:13:35 <unique311> help me howard
Jun 21 17:13:56 <b0unc3> unique311: take a look at /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf
Jun 21 17:15:57 <unique311> thanks..
Jun 21 17:16:04 <unique311> stuck on that default 1.1
Jun 21 17:17:26 * cesman is away: Gone away for now.
Jun 21 17:21:51 <Andy80_> hello
Jun 21 17:22:19 <Andy80_> an OT question :\ anyone of you has a copy of Nokia Software Update for N-Series older than 1.3.83 ?
Jun 21 17:23:12 <gla55> o O
Jun 21 17:23:16 <gla55> why?
Jun 21 17:24:57 <Andy80_> because the latest version is bugged
Jun 21 17:25:05 <Andy80_> and I cannot update my N73
Jun 21 17:25:12 <Andy80_> it says "Phone not supported"
Jun 21 17:25:21 <Andy80_> while the old version has alway worked fine
Jun 21 17:27:06 <gla55> is there a newer firmware then for your product code?
Jun 21 17:27:19 <gla55> it's possible to change the product code too with some trouble
Jun 21 17:27:38 <Andy80_> I currently have 2.x firmware...
Jun 21 17:27:48 <Andy80_> and I know that 3.0705.* is available
Jun 21 17:28:02 <Andy80_> the product code... is not a problem ;) the problem is NSU :(
Jun 21 17:31:27 <Andy80_> I'm going to eat something, see ya later... ps: gla55: if you have an older version of NSU it would be great if you could send it to me :)
Jun 21 17:34:08 <gla55> don't seem to have download folders for that far
Jun 21 17:56:11 <pupnik> mmm the archos 605 looks nice -- 800x480 screen
Jun 21 17:56:24 <pupnik> starts at $229
Jun 21 17:56:37 <pupnik> wifi, opera...
Jun 21 17:56:59 <gla55> yeah not half bad
Jun 21 17:58:10 <jani> quite cheap..
Jun 21 17:58:31 <acydlord> yeah, i saw that bugger on engadget
Jun 21 17:58:47 <acydlord> has anyone played with the maemo webkit?
Jun 21 17:59:17 <jani> just read the project page, i think it said that its still in planning phase ?
Jun 21 17:59:30 <acydlord> ahh
Jun 21 17:59:34 <gla55> seems so
Jun 21 17:59:38 <gla55> would be a nice project
Jun 21 17:59:46 <gla55> i dunno why nokia hasn't pushed it
Jun 21 18:00:09 <acydlord> i keep shotting myself in the foot on projects, 2 of the main projects i was working on got put on hold for awhile thanks to APIs being changed on me
Jun 21 18:00:17 <gla55> they're very disconnected teams.. nokias web guys and maemo..  thats what the nokia web fellow said anyhow
Jun 21 18:00:30 <acydlord> indeed
Jun 21 18:00:49 <acydlord> i wish the people on the nokia end would push the industry a bit better
Jun 21 18:00:57 <acydlord> they've got the financial backing
Jun 21 18:01:32 <acydlord> i wascracking up the other day by the comment of one of the nokia heads about touch screen technology
Jun 21 18:01:47 <acydlord> saying that they don't see people wanting it on mobile devices yet
Jun 21 18:02:22 <gla55> such a question depends highly on the context..
Jun 21 18:02:24 <jani> webkit or what?
Jun 21 18:02:30 <gla55> if it was about mobile phones
Jun 21 18:02:56 <acydlord> i believe it was something about the iphone challenging current smart phones
Jun 21 18:03:00 <jani> aah.
Jun 21 18:03:10 <acydlord> and if they felt challenged by the touch screen
Jun 21 18:03:19 <gla55> acydlord: well, on certain features 7710 is much more capable than iphone.. :)
Jun 21 18:03:25 <acydlord> indeed
Jun 21 18:03:35 <gla55> rumor has it there's touchscreen s60's coming
Jun 21 18:03:39 <acydlord> one of my friends was bragging on the iphone awhile back noting features
Jun 21 18:03:40 <pupnik> some people will prefer tactile feedback
Jun 21 18:03:52 <acydlord> and i was like "i have that, yep have that, that too"
Jun 21 18:03:58 <pupnik> the iphone is 480x320 res?
Jun 21 18:04:21 <gla55> yea i think
Jun 21 18:04:28 <acydlord> think so
Jun 21 18:04:45 <acydlord> i read a funny article yesterday on different form factor iphone options
Jun 21 18:04:58 <acydlord> and they did a product mockup for iphone nano and iphone shuffle
Jun 21 18:07:42 <acydlord> any idea on how hard it is to hildonize gtk apps?
Jun 21 18:08:32 <jani> from what i've looked at the code ..
Jun 21 18:09:21 <jani> most of the stuff is that there's there's few main hildon components like main window and such and then rest of the code is just gtk api's ...
Jun 21 18:09:47 <acydlord> shouldnt be too hard then
Jun 21 18:10:06 <jani> well, there are few dialogs that are hildon specific but alas, they are not that different from gtk ..
Jun 21 18:11:59 <acydlord> i'm trying to decide wheteher to be lazy and port a current linux twitter app, or if it would be worth the time writing my own
Jun 21 18:13:07 <tko> acydlord: the minimum you need is to replace gtk_window_new with hildon_window_new -- sometimes that might be enough, though usually you'd be better off redesigning the UI
Jun 21 18:13:18 <tko> acydlord: and I hope you meant jaiku not twitter :)
Jun 21 18:13:24 <acydlord> i meant twitter
Jun 21 18:13:37 <acydlord> but it would not be hard for it to work in both
Jun 21 18:13:45 <pupnik> heh, still nothing out there to make me consider selling my 770
Jun 21 18:13:50 <jani> yeah, obviously the biggest issue is that your ui is much smaller and thus most apps dont fit to the screen ;)
Jun 21 18:13:50 <acydlord> what i would really like to build is a jaiku/twitter/plazer
Jun 21 18:14:17 <acydlord> because plazes.com added a "what are you doing" textbox
Jun 21 18:17:04 <acydlord> the UI is not dramatically smaller than a windowed application though
Jun 21 18:17:41 <jani> btw, anyone here running scratchbox on fc6?
Jun 21 18:21:44 <pupnik> nah.  i'd recommend sidux but the kernels aren't scratchbox compatible
Jun 21 18:23:02 <jani> well, i got ubunto at work so things work there, just thinking if i could tinker something on freetime and i wouldnt like the idea to reinstall my box..
Jun 21 18:23:13 <jani> s/ubunto/ubuntu/
Jun 21 18:23:13 <infobot> jani meant: well, i got ubuntu at work so things work there, just thinking if i could tinker something on freetime and i wouldnt like the idea to reinstall my box..
Jun 21 18:23:26 <jani> lol
Jun 21 18:23:32 <acydlord> i got sick of ubuntu
Jun 21 18:23:45 <acydlord> i switched to fedora to find out scratchbox hates it
Jun 21 18:23:53 <acydlord> so now i'm running debian etch
Jun 21 18:24:02 <_Shurik_> oh really? How about fc7?
Jun 21 18:24:13 <acydlord> thats what i was running
Jun 21 18:24:17 <jani> well, its not my choice of a distro either but it was mandated.
Jun 21 18:24:30 <acydlord> understandable jani
Jun 21 18:24:42 <acydlord> seems to be the market's choice as of late
Jun 21 18:24:47 <_Shurik_> haven't tried installing scratchbox yet on fc.. sux
Jun 21 18:25:11 <acydlord> fedora isn't really a developers enviroment
Jun 21 18:25:29 <acydlord> the've been spending more time on eyecandy
Jun 21 18:28:33 <jani> *crickets* *thumbleweed*
Jun 21 18:29:00 <acydlord> lol
Jun 21 18:29:06 <_Shurik_> so no way to get it working in fc?
Jun 21 18:29:19 <acydlord> Man i sure am glad to see all my friends who actually went to college didnt waste their money
Jun 21 18:29:40 <acydlord> don't think it's compat with their kernel _Shurik_
Jun 21 18:29:50 <_Shurik_> got ya
Jun 21 18:29:58 <acydlord> all my friends are working retail jobs with their big fancy degrees lol
Jun 21 18:30:14 <_Shurik_> nice
Jun 21 18:30:31 <acydlord> yeah, i know a genetecist and a marine biologist that both work for holister
Jun 21 18:30:41 <_Shurik_> perhaps they're just taking an intellectual break from all that... partying? :)
Jun 21 18:31:00 <acydlord> and another with a doctorate in econimics who works as a ranch hand
Jun 21 18:31:28 <acydlord> lol, understandable if that were the case, but they were all pretty much your typical nerd, living for school
Jun 21 18:31:39 <_Shurik_> well that's just proves my theory again... 4 classes of education is more then enough
Jun 21 18:32:21 <acydlord> one time i was amazed when i used the word reneged in my blog and people were like "whats that mean? i think it's a misspelling"
Jun 21 18:33:12 <jani> _Shurik_: ive read few blogs saying that have it up and running
Jun 21 18:33:27 <_Shurik_> jani: oh good
Jun 21 18:33:30 <jani> allthou as im installing it currently, its not very straight forward..
Jun 21 18:33:57 <_Shurik_> I just have wifi working finaly on FC7 and would just hate to reinstall anything
Jun 21 18:34:13 <_Shurik_> and I'm not all that experienced in linux world
Jun 21 18:34:19 <acydlord> you have the joys of one of the ndiswrapper cards?
Jun 21 18:34:26 <_Shurik_> madwifi
Jun 21 18:34:34 <acydlord> ahh
Jun 21 18:34:35 <_Shurik_> atheros
Jun 21 18:34:39 <_Shurik_> it's on laptop
Jun 21 18:35:02 <acydlord> i thought atheros chipsets were supported in all the newer kernels
Jun 21 18:35:13 <jani> i was about to say that stock kernel doesnt come with vdso kernel support but i just remember that i dont hack stock kernel ..
Jun 21 18:35:23 <jani> in fedora that is..
Jun 21 18:36:19 <acydlord> i was almost upset that a shoddy broadcom driver was included in the 2.6 kernel
Jun 21 18:36:39 <jani> _Shurik_: i can report back if i get things running.
Jun 21 18:36:50 <jani> btw, is there any nokia people on this channel usually ?
Jun 21 18:36:53 <_Shurik_> denifinely
Jun 21 18:37:03 <||cw> acydlord: the driver seems to works well enough, but you have to install a firmware package
Jun 21 18:37:04 <acydlord> not sure
Jun 21 18:37:32 <acydlord> yeah i installed the firmware package when my laptop was still among the living
Jun 21 18:37:46 <acydlord> but i still preferred ndiswrapper
Jun 21 18:38:22 <acydlord> i wish i still had my 500mW ornrico card
Jun 21 18:38:56 <_Shurik_> anyone does python for n800 or you prefer C?
Jun 21 18:39:06 <jani> c
Jun 21 18:39:16 <jani> _Shurik_: http://www.bytebot.net/blog/archives/2007/03/01/maemo-30-on-fedora-core-6-n800-development-environment
Jun 21 18:39:53 <acydlord> the libraries in the etch repos are old
Jun 21 18:39:55 <acydlord> ew
Jun 21 18:42:30 * pupnik waits for a python app he cares for
Jun 21 18:43:08 <_Shurik_> :)
Jun 21 18:43:28 <_Shurik_> I just thought it might be faster to put something together that way
Jun 21 18:44:20 <VimSi> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8Kyi0WNg40
Jun 21 18:47:58 <jani> _Shurik_: ok, so far, scratchbox installation script works well, after it has installed, echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled, and then the maemo-sdk install script seems to work too ..
Jun 21 18:48:47 <_Shurik_> nice nice
Jun 21 18:48:58 <_Shurik_> I enjoy a real time reporting :))
Jun 21 18:49:26 <jani> yeah duud! its no unpacking the rootstrap! i cant wait for it to finnish! =))
Jun 21 18:49:36 * pupnik ponders vdso_enabled
Jun 21 18:49:42 <jani> no/now =)
Jun 21 18:49:52 <_Shurik_> that makes sense now
Jun 21 18:49:55 <_Shurik_> :)
Jun 21 18:50:33 <jani> pupnik: if its enabled, you get error message saying following: "Inconsistency detected by ld.so: rtld.c: 1192: dl_main: Assertion" .. and so forth
Jun 21 18:51:15 <jani> pupnik: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail//maemo-developers/2007-February/008387.html
Jun 21 18:51:20 <pupnik> ty ty
Jun 21 18:51:54 <jani> same thing reported there. allthou the solution in fedora is slightly different, or maybe its because different kernel version but the proc fs had different layout anyway..
Jun 21 18:52:09 <pupnik> might actually be able to use scratchbox with a stock sidux kernel now - with that proc echo
Jun 21 18:52:27 <jani> [sbox-SDK_X86: ~] >
Jun 21 18:52:31 <jani> yey!
Jun 21 18:52:44 <_Shurik_> niceee
Jun 21 18:52:45 <jani> logged into scratchbox
Jun 21 18:52:52 <_Shurik_> gotta love it
Jun 21 18:53:06 <jani> btw, i forgot one command you need to give ofcourse before you install the sdk itself
Jun 21 18:53:14 <jani> sbox_ctl start ;)
Jun 21 18:53:26 <jani> but it will complain about it if its not running
Jun 21 18:53:45 <_Shurik_> so far so good?
Jun 21 18:54:13 <jani> well, i got to prompt atleast, i dont have xephyr installed yet so cant test the gui part but so far so good
Jun 21 18:56:00 <_Shurik_> awsome
Jun 21 18:56:15 <trevarthan> test
Jun 21 18:58:58 <pupnik> Computer terms are ironic... DDR Ram and SED Displays
Jun 21 18:59:05 <pupnik> SED was the communist party name of East Germany (DDR)
Jun 21 18:59:19 <_Shurik_> :)
Jun 21 18:59:44 <_Shurik_> so much for N800 'Gagarin' then
Jun 21 19:04:19 <acydlord> sata 3?
Jun 21 19:04:23 <acydlord> ack, wrong window
Jun 21 19:05:55 <jani> _Shurik_: yellownotes-applet-0.1 atleast that project compiles well ..
Jun 21 19:06:38 <_Shurik_> sweet
Jun 21 19:06:54 <_Shurik_> I'll take a stab at that tomorrow, since it's my work from home day
Jun 21 19:07:09 <keesj> if I want an icon for my .desktop do I need to create all the differetn icon sizes?
Jun 21 19:07:10 <_Shurik_> just gotta figure out how not to drown laptop in the pool
Jun 21 19:07:43 <pupnik> somebody port drpocketsnes plz
Jun 21 19:08:18 <pupnik> snes9x too slow
Jun 21 19:13:15 <keesj> (mental note) don't type kill -9 -1 , not even in sbox
Jun 21 19:13:44 <pupnik> ? literally that?
Jun 21 19:13:58 <pupnik> doesn't it return no PID -1?
Jun 21 19:14:08 <keesj> don't try it
Jun 21 19:14:57 <keesj> perhaps it does , but if it does you will not see it.
Jun 21 19:15:50 <pupnik> kill -9 -1 This sends signal 9, the SIGKILL signal, to all processes owned by the effective user.
Jun 21 19:15:55 <keesj> Kill all processes you can kill. that is what the man pages has to say about -9 -1
Jun 21 19:15:56 <pupnik> aha!
Jun 21 19:53:46 <livingtm_> IM having trouble with the bora sdk install script. It quits saying that the Scratchbox devkit debian is not found. If i apt-get install scratchbox-devkit-debian it says the latest is already installed
Jun 21 19:54:25 <pupnik> version mismatch?
Jun 21 19:54:54 <jani> _Shurik_: i was afk for a while but got back now .. i got maemo desktop running in scratchbox just fine ..
Jun 21 19:57:25 <_Shurik_> great
Jun 21 19:57:31 <_Shurik_> and all of that on a standard fc6?
Jun 21 19:57:37 <_Shurik_> or you tweaked it?
Jun 21 19:59:18 <jani> nothing major ..
Jun 21 19:59:36 <livingtm_> pupnik, i installed scratchbox just now using the script maemo-scratchbox-install_3.1.sh
Jun 21 19:59:46 <jani> only difference is that i dont use yum, i have apt-get  ..
Jun 21 19:59:48 <livingtm_> i would hope there isnt  a version mismatch
Jun 21 20:00:12 <jani> livingtm_: it could be the same problem as i had ..
Jun 21 20:00:54 <livingtm_> jani, which was?
Jun 21 20:01:15 <jani>  echo 0 >
Jun 21 20:01:26 <jani> /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled
Jun 21 20:01:41 <jani> that was causing some problems for me for version check ..
Jun 21 20:01:56 <livingtm_> i dont follow
Jun 21 20:02:01 <jani> or if that file is not found it's prolly /proc/sys/kernel/vdso
Jun 21 20:02:10 <jani> try "echo 0 >  echo 0 >
Jun 21 20:02:19 <jani> damn this copypaste
Jun 21 20:02:30 <jani> try running " echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled"
Jun 21 20:02:38 <jani> and then try to install the maemo-sdk with the script ..
Jun 21 20:02:56 <jani> or
Jun 21 20:03:01 <livingtm_> as root?
Jun 21 20:03:16 <jani> yes. As a root .. Or "echo 0 > /proc/sys/kernel/vdso"
Jun 21 20:03:20 <livingtm_> i get permision denied
Jun 21 20:03:34 <jani> as a root ? =)
Jun 21 20:03:44 <livingtm_> yes
Jun 21 20:03:49 <livingtm_> well, sudo in ubuntu
Jun 21 20:03:52 <livingtm_> su
Jun 21 20:04:55 <jani> try this as root: find /proc -name "*vdso*" -print
Jun 21 20:05:08 <jani> it should print out a filename ..
Jun 21 20:05:13 <livingtm_> okay didnt work
Jun 21 20:05:19 <livingtm_> i did the echo successfuly
Jun 21 20:05:27 <livingtm_> but then i still get that debian devkit error
Jun 21 20:05:36 <livingtm_> E: Scratchbox devkit debian not found.
Jun 21 20:05:36 <livingtm_> E: Please complete scratchbox installation first.
Jun 21 20:05:36 <livingtm_> E: Specify an alternative installation path using '-s PATH' option.
Jun 21 20:05:53 <jani> how are you trying to run maemo-sdk script?
Jun 21 20:06:06 <livingtm_> bash maemo-sdk-install_3.1.sh
Jun 21 20:06:13 <livingtm_> like the tutorial says
Jun 21 20:06:31 <jani> well, you could try to to give the -s parameter too 0)
Jun 21 20:06:33 <livingtm_> i mean the install instructions http://repository.maemo.org/stable/bora/INSTALL.txt
Jun 21 20:06:42 <jani> yes i know those =)
Jun 21 20:06:51 <jani> did you install scratchbox first ?
Jun 21 20:06:54 <livingtm_> -s .scratchbox?
Jun 21 20:07:01 <livingtm_> er /scratchbox?
Jun 21 20:07:15 <jani> yep. was it successfull ? =))
Jun 21 20:07:32 <livingtm_> nope same error
Jun 21 20:07:45 <jani> mm..
Jun 21 20:07:55 <livingtm_> bash maemo-sdk-install_3.1.sh -s /scratchbox/
Jun 21 20:07:56 <jani> i think the tutorial might be missing the reboot or start sbox part =)
Jun 21 20:08:07 <livingtm_> i did start scratchbox
Jun 21 20:08:09 <livingtm_> maybe i will reboot
Jun 21 20:08:13 <livingtm_> brb :-)
Jun 21 20:08:16 <jani> wait
Jun 21 20:08:17 <livingtm_> i love rebooting linux..
Jun 21 20:08:23 <jani> did you add yourself into sbox group ?
Jun 21 20:08:37 <livingtm_> oh, the installer did but i didnt log out and back in...
Jun 21 20:08:39 <livingtm_> brb :-)
Jun 21 20:08:44 <jani> yes, thats required
Jun 21 20:08:45 <livingtm_> (better than a reboot)
Jun 21 20:08:59 <jani> group changes arent applied till you relog
Jun 21 20:11:09 <jani> any luck ?
Jun 21 20:14:37 <livingtm> nope
Jun 21 20:14:40 <livingtm> :-(
Jun 21 20:15:57 <livingtm> im definitely in the group sbox
Jun 21 20:16:20 <livingtm> I thoguth scripts were suppose dto make it easier? :-)
Jun 21 20:19:50 <jani> does your machine have /scratchbox/devkits/debian directory  ?
Jun 21 20:21:54 <jani> that error message you are getting is coming from the shell script part which checks if directory $scratchbox/devkits/$devkit   exists or not ..  $devkit == debian and $scratchbox is the directory where you should have installed the scratchbox .. which is /scratchbox by default if you didnt give -s switch to the first shellscript you ran ..
Jun 21 20:23:07 <livingtm> there are three directories
Jun 21 20:24:05 <livingtm> debian etch
Jun 21 20:24:11 <livingtm> debian lenny
Jun 21 20:24:13 <livingtm> debian sarge
Jun 21 20:32:30 <jani> doesnt sound right ..
Jun 21 20:33:03 <jani> but i dont know much so about the install procedure =)
Jun 21 20:33:17 <jani> i have cputransp  debian  debian-sarge  doctools  perl in $scratchbox/devkits/ folder ..
Jun 21 20:34:31 <livingtm> livingtm@acer:/scratchbox/devkits$ ls
Jun 21 20:34:31 <livingtm> cputransp  debian-etch  debian-lenny  debian-sarge  doctools  perl
Jun 21 20:41:54 <kakos> Quick question... what does the LED light under the D-pad do exactly?
Jun 21 20:42:24 <kakos> On the N800
Jun 21 20:42:29 <_Shurik_> battery test?
Jun 21 20:42:35 <derf> Blink.
Jun 21 20:42:44 <kakos> Does it have any particular use?
Jun 21 20:42:51 <kakos> Does it stay lit up if I have new mail?
Jun 21 20:42:58 <derf> It drains your battery very nicely.
Jun 21 20:43:03 <_Shurik_> hehe
Jun 21 20:43:59 <Sho_> Any easy way to actuate it from the shell, btw?
Jun 21 20:51:27 <trevarthan> Is there a way to increase the text size without having to scroll in maemo's browser?
Jun 21 20:52:02 <trevarthan> For example, in firefox you can do CTRL+SHIFT++ to increase the text size. The line wrap stays the same. Just the font size increases....
Jun 21 20:52:43 <_Shurik_> select optimized view
Jun 21 20:52:49 <_Shurik_> that will prevent side scroll
Jun 21 20:53:14 <trevarthan> sweet. I was wondering what that did. Thanks!
Jun 21 20:53:27 <_Shurik_> np
Jun 21 20:59:13 <livingtm> jani, I have a debian-sarge folder
Jun 21 21:04:44 <Pio> wow .. optimized view.. i never knew about that either
Jun 21 21:26:21 <jani> livingtm: thats the thing, you are missing a directory/devkit called debian
Jun 21 21:26:41 <livingtm> jani yeah sorry i had a network issue here and dropped out afor a minute
Jun 21 21:26:45 <jani> [23:05] <livingtm_> E: Scratchbox devkit debian not found.
Jun 21 21:26:50 <jani> yeap, i was afk too
Jun 21 21:26:54 <jani> so no worries
Jun 21 21:26:55 <livingtm> I just created a link debian -> debian-sarge and tried again and it worked
Jun 21 21:27:33 <jani> was about to suggest that =)
Jun 21 21:27:38 <livingtm> althugh there are three debian directories so i dont know whiuch one was correct
Jun 21 21:27:55 <livingtm> thanks for your help
Jun 21 21:31:04 <livingtm> man one thing after another... now when runing he script it does an apt-get update and i get error 404's
Jun 21 21:42:55 <livingtm> during the sdk install the apt-get update fails with a "file not found"
Jun 21 21:43:58 <livingtm> this appears to be onle when in SDK_ARMEL
Jun 21 21:44:59 <livingtm> Running apt-get update on 'SDK_ARMEL'.
Jun 21 21:44:59 <livingtm> Err file: bora/explicit Packages
Jun 21 21:44:59 <livingtm>   File not found
Jun 21 21:44:59 <livingtm> Ign file: bora/explicit Release
Jun 21 21:44:59 <livingtm> Err http://repository.maemo.org bora/free Packages
Jun 21 21:44:59 <livingtm>   404 Not Found [IP: 204.2.240.49 80]
Jun 21 21:46:29 <unique311> finally
Jun 21 21:46:36 <unique311> trial and error...
Jun 21 21:46:40 <pupnik> hi unique311
Jun 21 21:46:51 <unique311> have .deb packs for fltk and pose
Jun 21 21:46:56 <pupnik> \o/ :D
Jun 21 21:47:13 <unique311> installed nicely in scratchbox..
Jun 21 21:47:21 <livingtm> interesting.. uname -a = "Linux acer 2.6.20-16-generic #2 SMP Thu Jun 7 20:19:32 UTC 2007 arm GNU/Linux
Jun 21 21:47:21 <livingtm> "
Jun 21 21:47:25 <livingtm> shouldnt it be armel?
Jun 21 21:48:21 <livingtm> would that cause apt-get update to be looking for the wrong repositories?.
Jun 21 21:48:33 <pupnik> want to be added to the Pose developers on garage?
Jun 21 21:49:15 <unique311> no....
Jun 21 21:49:35 <unique311> you can up  it to your project page..
Jun 21 21:49:54 <unique311> i need to pack up the skin file..
Jun 21 21:50:21 <unique311> and then i will up it to divshare..you can add it to maemo.org...
Jun 21 21:50:54 <unique311> keyboard is definitely required...
Jun 21 21:51:09 <gwak_> from what texrat is hinting at, i am really confused to what nokia has in store for the next firmware/software upgrade    http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6851&page=12
Jun 21 21:51:20 <unique311> or use synergy to share your notebooks keyboard
Jun 21 21:54:49 <livingtm> Im on step 2.4 of INSTALL.txt.  still trying to apt-get update in the armel target
Jun 21 21:54:52 <livingtm> er, 3.4
Jun 21 21:56:07 <livingtm> cant seem to hit the correct repositories for the armel target
Jun 21 22:09:00 <acydlord> argh, my brain is trying to shut down.
Jun 21 22:10:16 <livingtm> same here
Jun 21 22:10:31 <livingtm> what do you get inside the armel target when you hit uname -a?
Jun 21 22:11:42 <b0unc3> livingtm: arm... like you...
Jun 21 22:11:52 <livingtm> okay so thats good
Jun 21 22:12:06 <livingtm> why cant i hit the repos then? im pulling my hair out
Jun 21 22:12:54 <b0unc3> livingtm: the connection is working properly?
Jun 21 22:13:03 <livingtm> yeah i get wget okay
Jun 21 22:13:27 <acydlord> I think i should be drinking a darker brew
Jun 21 22:13:27 <livingtm> what are the repos supposed to be?
Jun 21 22:13:39 <acydlord> fat tire amber ale doesnt seem to be helping me stay awake lol
Jun 21 22:13:48 <livingtm> acydlord, im switching over to red wine
Jun 21 22:14:32 <livingtm> Err http://repository.maemo.org bora/free Packages
Jun 21 22:14:32 <livingtm>   404 Not Found [IP: 62.41.81.16 80]
Jun 21 22:14:40 <livingtm> grrrr
Jun 21 22:14:57 <b0unc3> uhmmm... maybe your apt source lists is broken ?
Jun 21 22:15:16 <livingtm> whats the list spposed to be? the installer set it to whatever it is currently
Jun 21 22:15:56 <b0unc3> livingtm: you're on a fresh installation ?
Jun 21 22:16:32 <livingtm> b0unc3, yeah i just ran the script
Jun 21 22:16:43 <livingtm> and it fails at the end when trying to apt-get update in the armel target.
Jun 21 22:17:04 <livingtm> ... and the tutorials dont tell yo uwhen to do when "step x" fails :-)
Jun 21 22:18:47 <livingtm> Heres what i was running "bash ~/Desktop/maemo-sdk-install_3.1.sh -s /scratchbox/ -y"
Jun 21 22:20:16 <livingtm> actually, that IP address doesnt seem to be right!
Jun 21 22:21:02 <livingtm> what the hell would cause apt-get update to incorrectly resolv the repository host?
Jun 21 22:21:17 <livingtm> i dont mean NOT resolv it.. i mean resolv it WRONG\
Jun 21 22:23:39 <acydlord> I should have got 1554, that would have kept me wide awake
Jun 21 22:24:30 <b0unc3> livingtm: try to take a look at /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf ...
Jun 21 22:24:35 <livingtm> works fine in the x86 target
Jun 21 22:25:57 <jani> hehe i know that resolver problem ..
Jun 21 22:26:07 <jani> we had it work too..
Jun 21 22:26:13 <livingtm> ?
Jun 21 22:26:30 <suihkulokki> does anyone bother maintaining a FAQ here?
Jun 21 22:26:44 <suihkulokki> every day someone is asking about resolving here..
Jun 21 22:26:53 <b0unc3> livingtm: there is a resolv.conf also inside each targets...
Jun 21 22:26:59 <jani> yes.
Jun 21 22:27:08 <livingtm> b0unc3, yeh they are the same
Jun 21 22:27:14 <jani> each target has it and there's one in scratchboxs main /etc ..
Jun 21 22:27:24 <livingtm> and it works okay in the x86 target but not the armel
Jun 21 22:28:39 <jani> basicly i fixed my problme by copying my host os's resolv.conf to scratchbox/etc and also to each target's /etc folder ..
Jun 21 22:28:49 <livingtm> [sbox-SDK_ARMEL: ~] > apt-get update
Jun 21 22:28:49 <livingtm> Err file: bora/explicit Packages
Jun 21 22:28:49 <livingtm>   File not found
Jun 21 22:28:49 <livingtm>    <-- does this mean if found the server and not the repo?
Jun 21 22:28:59 <acydlord> When I move to seattle I will add "teabag balmer" to my todo list.
Jun 21 22:29:09 <jani> acydlord: lol
Jun 21 22:29:10 <livingtm> hehe
Jun 21 22:30:06 <acydlord> i would probably be the open source community's hero for awhile
Jun 21 22:31:18 <jani> i'll start printing "Free Acydlord!" t-shirts and coffee mugs!
Jun 21 22:31:40 <jani> when you do that, i'll be rich!! rich! rich1!! muahahahahahah
Jun 21 22:31:55 <livingtm> deb http://repository.maemo.org/ bora free non-free
Jun 21 22:31:56 <livingtm> deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/ bora free
Jun 21 22:31:56 <livingtm> deb file:/home/livingtm/maemo-sdk-nokia-binaries_3.1 bora explicit
Jun 21 22:31:58 <livingtm> is that right?
Jun 21 22:32:24 <b0unc3> uhm... I have no deb file:/home/livingtm/maemo-sdk-nokia-binaries_3.1 bora explicit on my source.list
Jun 21 22:32:48 <acydlord> sweet
Jun 21 22:32:51 <livingtm> b0unc3, hm, well it fails well before it gets that far, but Ill comment that out :-)
Jun 21 22:32:56 <jani> looks about right..
Jun 21 22:33:29 <livingtm> im lost. i really dont know what to do next
Jun 21 22:33:52 <acydlord> rm -rf ?
Jun 21 22:34:08 <livingtm> acydlord, i just did that.. this is a fresh damn install!!!!
Jun 21 22:34:12 <unique311> getting an incompatible application manager when trying to install the deb packs i just made in scratchbox
Jun 21 22:34:13 <acydlord> ahh
Jun 21 22:34:23 <jani> livingtm: resolv problem ?
Jun 21 22:34:33 <livingtm> jani, im not positive its a resov problem
Jun 21 22:34:46 <jani> but apt-get doesnt work  ?
Jun 21 22:34:50 <livingtm> it looks to me like its hitting the serv er, but its not finding the repo
Jun 21 22:35:28 <acydlord> i'm watching a tesla coil play the super mario bros theme
Jun 21 22:35:42 <b0unc3> livingtm: I thinks apt is complaining with that last line....
Jun 21 22:36:26 <livingtm> http://www.pastebin.ca/582329
Jun 21 22:36:33 <livingtm> b0unc3, commented it out and it didnt help
Jun 21 22:38:52 <pupnik> i'm pissed off i haven't gotten any work done last couple of months
Jun 21 22:39:02 <jani> moment..
Jun 21 22:39:11 <jani> someone asked what uname under armel prints ?
Jun 21 22:39:13 <jani> Linux delenn 2.6.20-1.2948.fc6 #1 SMP Fri Apr 27 19:48:40 EDT 2007 arm GNU/Linux
Jun 21 22:39:19 <b0unc3> uhm.... binary-arm_Packages I have binary-armel_Packages...
Jun 21 22:39:29 <pupnik> unique311: installing on the n800 or in the same scratchbox?
Jun 21 22:41:05 <livingtm> b0unc3, thats why i was asking about uname...
Jun 21 22:41:17 <unique311> n800
Jun 21 22:41:36 <livingtm> uname shows arm....
Jun 21 22:41:47 <jani> livingtm: do you know whats akamai ?
Jun 21 22:41:49 <unique311> wondering if i should packed it for arch armel or any
Jun 21 22:41:57 <livingtm> nope
Jun 21 22:42:00 <jani> ok.
Jun 21 22:42:05 <unique311> i packed it for armel.
Jun 21 22:42:11 <jani> repository.maemo.org is akamai host.
Jun 21 22:42:29 <livingtm> ok
Jun 21 22:42:31 <tigert> akamai is big, distributed cache
Jun 21 22:42:38 <jani> oh, hi tigert
Jun 21 22:42:39 <dolske> Akamai runs a content distribution network.
Jun 21 22:42:39 <unique311> i can manually install the .deb packs with dpkg -i i guess...
Jun 21 22:42:44 <b0unc3> livingtm: your uname is correct...
Jun 21 22:42:49 <livingtm> ok
Jun 21 22:42:59 <tigert> moi
Jun 21 22:43:00 <jani> and your end of the cache isnt working
Jun 21 22:43:09 <henkt> any one help me to instell python?
Jun 21 22:43:12 <pupnik> unique311: i have no ideas
Jun 21 22:43:15 <livingtm> any fix?
Jun 21 22:43:21 <henkt> I just downloaded to .install files
Jun 21 22:43:28 <henkt> what I am going to do with them
Jun 21 22:43:47 <jani> tigert: you dont happen to work in 5th floor in ruoholahti ? =))
Jun 21 22:43:55 <henkt> hi pupnik
Jun 21 22:44:22 <henkt> I now able to switch to armel target
Jun 21 22:44:27 <livingtm> so im screwed until the cache updates?
Jun 21 22:44:44 <jani> well, you could try using a proxy ..
Jun 21 22:44:46 <tigert> jani, i do
Jun 21 22:44:49 <jani> of another isp ..
Jun 21 22:44:52 <pupnik> great henkt.  now the dpkg -i works?
Jun 21 22:45:01 <henkt> but dpkg -i *.deb do not work
Jun 21 22:45:05 <livingtm> damn
Jun 21 22:45:34 <henkt> /scratchbox/tools/bin/misc_runner: SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD not set
Jun 21 22:45:49 <henkt> got the above mssage
Jun 21 22:45:58 <livingtm> so the repository is cached...
Jun 21 22:45:58 * pupnik blinks
Jun 21 22:47:34 <livingtm> well time to drink heavily i guess
Jun 21 22:47:37 <pupnik> henkt, do you have a howto for installing scratchbox?
Jun 21 22:47:44 <b0unc3> livingtm: try to use deb-armel in source.list instead on deb
Jun 21 22:48:15 <livingtm> E: Type 'deb-armel' is not known on line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
Jun 21 22:48:17 <pupnik> you should set the cputransparency options to use qemu when you set up the scratchbox target
Jun 21 22:48:19 <henkt> no, scratch box is installed already
Jun 21 22:48:35 <b0unc3> uhmm...
Jun 21 22:49:01 <jani> tigert: i thought there was something familar with the face. im that dreadlocked fellow who just started there..
Jun 21 22:49:03 <pupnik> henkt: when you set up the armel target, you will be asked in the menu which cputransparency method to use
Jun 21 22:49:09 <henkt> how I set it?
Jun 21 22:49:20 <jani> we've talked some years back when i was working at jippii ..
Jun 21 22:49:39 <jani> propably.
Jun 21 22:49:48 <tigert> hmm
Jun 21 22:49:59 <tigert> where do you sit?
Jun 21 22:50:22 <jani> 5th floor, in the corner facing the cemetary
Jun 21 22:50:35 <livingtm> jani sounds lively
Jun 21 22:50:36 <henkt> pupnik, its okey now
Jun 21 22:50:39 <tigert> sure, i was in saunalahti/jippii years ago
Jun 21 22:51:25 <henkt> I selected all the development kits including cuptrunsp
Jun 21 22:51:32 <acydlord> hmm, the nokia N800 + Nav-Kit ads are out in force here in the states
Jun 21 22:51:50 <acydlord> second website i've seen today with a tower ad and a block ad
Jun 21 22:52:32 <tigert> jani, sounds like our wing.
Jun 21 22:52:43 <henkt> were I put this to .install files. now they are some were on the desktop
Jun 21 22:52:44 <jani> i used to sit in ahmad's room for 2 weeks
Jun 21 22:53:04 <jani> http://a680.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/00626/97/63/626463679_m.jpg
Jun 21 22:53:19 <jani> thats me.
Jun 21 22:53:53 <b0unc3> livingtm: what echo $ARCH says ?
Jun 21 22:54:07 <henkt> [sbox-SDK_ARMEL: ~] > dpkg -i *.deb
Jun 21 22:54:07 <henkt> dpkg: error processing maemopad_1.5_i386.deb (--install):
Jun 21 22:54:07 <henkt>  package architecture (i386) does not match system (arm)
Jun 21 22:54:07 <henkt> Errors were encountered while processing:
Jun 21 22:54:07 <henkt>  maemopad_1.5_i386.deb
Jun 21 22:54:14 <pupnik> hehe jani :)
Jun 21 22:54:32 <livingtm> "arm"
Jun 21 22:54:38 <henkt> :(
Jun 21 22:54:48 <tigert> looking
Jun 21 22:55:01 <jani> livingtm: well, basicly akamai works in a way that some big isp's in each country have akamai servers.. so if you add a proxy to some other isp, you might get it working ..
Jun 21 22:55:43 <b0unc3> livingtm: I have armel...
Jun 21 22:55:52 <b0unc3> try to set it to armel
Jun 21 22:57:23 <jani> tigert: ring any bells ?
Jun 21 22:57:25 <pupnik> ah henkt you can not install _i386.deb s to armel target, only to 86 targets
Jun 21 22:57:33 <livingtm> b0unc3, nerp, same thing
Jun 21 22:57:47 <henkt> yes
Jun 21 22:57:49 <b0unc3> ;(
Jun 21 22:57:57 <pupnik> henkt, find the maemopad-----_armel.deb
Jun 21 22:58:02 <henkt> this is just the output of dpkg -i *.deb
Jun 21 22:58:14 <pupnik> dpkg -i the individual debs then
Jun 21 22:58:26 <henkt> I want to install python
Jun 21 22:59:03 <pupnik> i don't know exactly what debs you need.  find a howto on installing python 2.5 and follow the instructions
Jun 21 22:59:07 <jani> henkt: you are trying to install all deb files in current directory and thus you are mixing up i386 and armel packages because you have downloaded them to same directory.
Jun 21 22:59:30 <tigert> jani, ah, you are the rasta-guy wandering in the alleys? :)
Jun 21 22:59:41 <jani> yes
Jun 21 22:59:53 <jani> the same one.
Jun 21 23:00:36 <tigert> yea. i dont remember you from jippii-days (so long ago) but i definitely remember you from the office :)
Jun 21 23:01:05 <jani> yeah, well, i actually wasnt working in jippii the same time as you but we talked few times in irc
Jun 21 23:01:06 <henkt> ok, when I download python I got two files which are     base-repository.install    and  python2.5-runtime.install
Jun 21 23:01:08 <tigert> will need to say hi next time. though i am on vacation now,
Jun 21 23:01:59 <tigert> its funny, most finns seem to have worked there :)
Jun 21 23:02:15 <jani> jippii or nokia or both ? =))
Jun 21 23:02:55 <henkt> what is the next step pls?
Jun 21 23:03:17 <tigert> both i guess =)
Jun 21 23:03:34 <tigert> ok. time to sleep,  ttyl :)
Jun 21 23:03:42 <jani> henkt: im not really expert in the platform yet ..
Jun 21 23:03:45 <pupnik> cu tigert
Jun 21 23:03:55 <jani> yeah hi.. come holler me whan you get back to the office
Jun 21 23:04:08 <pupnik> henkt, the .install files are like little scripts that the nokia application installer uses
Jun 21 23:04:22 <pupnik> they aren't the .debs you need
Jun 21 23:04:29 <henkt> ic
Jun 21 23:04:51 <henkt> ok
Jun 21 23:05:03 <jani> yep, was about to say the same
Jun 21 23:06:00 <pupnik> henkt: according to one howto, you can run command:  apt-get install python2.5*
Jun 21 23:06:09 <pupnik> http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/sdk_installation.html
Jun 21 23:09:07 <pupnik> henkt: are you familiar with debian linux yet?
Jun 21 23:10:14 <jani> ;)
Jun 21 23:10:17 <henkt> I am, excepte with some dificulties
Jun 21 23:10:45 <pupnik> ok if the scratchbox setup is new, you might want to run "apt-get update" first
Jun 21 23:12:34 <henkt> ok
Jun 21 23:12:59 <henkt> done
Jun 21 23:13:28 <pupnik> if you are lucky, the python2.5 is in your repository
Jun 21 23:13:33 <pupnik>  apt-get install python2.5*
Jun 21 23:14:38 <henkt> colldent find
Jun 21 23:14:57 <henkt> E: Couldn't find package pyhton2.5*
Jun 21 23:15:20 <pupnik> ok then it's not in your repository.  you might have maemo2.1 or something
Jun 21 23:15:42 <henkt> I have maemo 3.1
Jun 21 23:16:24 <pupnik> ok so i think your repository would be bora?  not sure.  you can see the distro type by looking at /etc/apt/sources.list in scratchbox
Jun 21 23:16:40 <pupnik> mistral, scirocco, bora, ... whatever
Jun 21 23:16:49 <henkt> it is bora
Jun 21 23:17:39 <pupnik> ok the instructions in the link said python should be in bora :(
Jun 21 23:17:51 <pupnik> you can "apt-cache search python"
Jun 21 23:18:08 <pupnik> to see if any python packages are available.  otherwise you need to find and download the correct .debs
Jun 21 23:18:16 <pupnik> and use dpkg -i <filename> to install
Jun 21 23:19:21 <henkt> ok brb I will check them
Jun 21 23:28:32 <unique311> pupnik
Jun 21 23:31:42 <jani> there is python in bora but its not 2.5 its 2.3
Jun 21 23:31:49 <jani> [sbox-SDK_ARMEL: ~/src/maemo-panelclock] > apt-cache search python
Jun 21 23:31:49 <jani> python - python from Scratchbox
Jun 21 23:31:49 <jani> idle-python2.3 - idle-python2.3 from Scratchbox
Jun 21 23:31:49 <jani> python2.3 - python2.3 from Scratchbox
Jun 21 23:31:49 <jani> python2.3-tk - python2.3-tk from Scratchbox
Jun 21 23:31:49 <jani> python2.3-dev - python2.3-dev from Scratchbox
Jun 21 23:31:51 <jani> [sbox-SDK_ARMEL: ~/src/maemo-panelclock] >
Jun 21 23:41:46 <pupnik> ewwo unique311
Jun 21 23:42:16 <unique311> not sure....
Jun 21 23:42:24 <unique311> started up...
Jun 21 23:42:42 <unique311> but then exit after 10 seconds..
Jun 21 23:43:57 <henkt> pupnik,  http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/sdk_installation.html
Jun 21 23:44:15 <henkt> in this link the installation step for python is in x86
Jun 21 23:44:18 <henkt> target
Jun 21 23:44:39 <pupnik> yeah the reason for that is, python doesn't need to be in the armel target
Jun 21 23:44:43 <henkt> shall I change my target to [sbox-SDK_X86: ~]?
Jun 21 23:44:45 <pupnik> since it is interpreted, not compiled
Jun 21 23:45:09 <pupnik> but if you do other development, it might be more convenient to do all you work in the armel target
Jun 21 23:45:37 <henkt> other develpment?
Jun 21 23:45:42 <pupnik> c/c++
Jun 21 23:46:08 <henkt> I just run some sample c files on [sbox-SDK_X86: ~]
Jun 21 23:46:10 <pupnik> so yes, you can do the python stuff in the x86 target
Jun 21 23:46:19 <henkt> ok
Jun 21 23:46:33 <pupnik> right but if you compile a c program under x86, it will not run on the nokia
Jun 21 23:47:15 <pupnik> if you write a python program under x86, it *will* run on the nokia
Jun 21 23:47:49 <henkt> to run c file on nokia i have to compile it again on armel?
Jun 21 23:48:31 <pupnik> yes that is what the armel SDK target is for.  to compile and run/debug programs for the nokia processor (arm cpu)
Jun 21 23:51:49 <henkt> okey now it is on installing python 2.5  :)
Jun 21 23:53:16 <pupnik> Onneksiolkoon! :)
Jun 21 23:54:00 <henkt> vahn phuu ...soamia :)
Jun 21 23:54:19 <henkt> now I run my helloworld
Jun 21 23:54:45 <henkt> [sbox-SDK_X86: ~] > run-standalone.sh ./hello_world_1.py
Jun 21 23:54:45 <henkt> Traceback (most recent call last):
Jun 21 23:54:45 <henkt>   File "./hello_world_1.py", line 2, in <module>
Jun 21 23:54:45 <henkt>     import gtk
Jun 21 23:54:45 <henkt>   File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/PIL/__init__.py", line 83, in <module>
Jun 21 23:54:45 <henkt>   File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/PIL/__init__.py", line 70, in _init
Jun 21 23:54:47 <henkt> NameError: global name '_gtk' is not defined
Jun 21 23:56:56 <pupnik> maybe some gtk library is not installed?
Jun 21 23:57:19 <pupnik> libgtk2.0-dev ?  i just am guessing
Jun 22 00:00:46 <henkt> any way how to check that?
Jun 22 00:01:17 <pupnik> i usually enter the error into google :)
Jun 22 00:01:49 <pupnik> apt-cache policy libgtk2.0-dev would show you whether you have it installed
Jun 22 00:02:00 <pupnik> but i don't think that's the right library
Jun 22 00:03:00 <henkt> ok :)
Jun 22 00:07:59 <henkt> yes it works now
Jun 22 00:08:21 <henkt> got the error form Google :)
Jun 22 00:08:50 <henkt> Xephyr was not (didnt put the Display :=2)
Jun 22 00:12:17 <henkt> cio pupnik
Jun 22 02:26:15 <livingtm> are there any mirrors to the bora repository?
Jun 22 02:49:51 <edt> how do you manually setup a proxy server for opera?  I have a PAN connection bluetooth using a private network and cannot nat on the other end.  Socks proxy would be idea.
Jun 22 02:56:13 <livingtm> Im having this issue on my ubuntu feisty install of scratchbox with the bora SDK: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/21583  It seems to be an architecture issue. dpkg-architecture does not seem to know about armel, only arm
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