**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jun 24 02:59:58 2007 Jun 24 03:01:02 wheres that tutorial to make the mouse cursor visible? Jun 24 05:09:34 unique311: you copy a cursor file over another cursor file Jun 24 05:10:07 i know... Jun 24 05:10:16 i remember their was a tutorial.. Jun 24 05:10:40 maybe googling cursor+synergy or pointer+synergy Jun 24 05:10:41 i have little surprise for synergy also... Jun 24 05:10:54 gui'fied.. Jun 24 05:11:03 trying to hildon a bit.. Jun 24 05:11:08 not alot of src files.. Jun 24 05:11:14 but it looks good right now. Jun 24 05:11:47 want a pre? Jun 24 05:12:06 no i am dealing with other things Jun 24 05:12:37 cool Jun 24 05:12:55 another idea if you're working on synergy. one could enable the cursor only when synergy is running Jun 24 05:13:37 by copying or linking in the standard x pointer when it starts up, and changing it back when synergy gets killed Jun 24 05:13:45 that might be possible with the gui.. Jun 24 08:33:58 Morning, all Jun 24 08:40:34 hi all, i am trying to play an m4a file using gstreamer like so: gst-launch filesrc location=something.m4a ! demux3gp ! dspaacsink Jun 24 08:40:52 i get some sound out, but the sound is choppy Jun 24 08:41:02 (cpu usage is low) Jun 24 08:41:18 anyone have any ideas on how to fix this? Jun 24 08:44:45 (the file plays fine using the Media player app) Jun 24 09:44:23 Aloha! Jun 24 09:46:29 (the above problem) solved! (after much trial and error): Jun 24 09:46:47 gst-launch filesrc location=something.m4a ! demux3gp ! dspaacsink sync=false Jun 24 10:47:50 hola a todos alguien habla espa?ol? Jun 24 10:51:12 Could somebody say me if the offer of N800 in 99 euros is ready, please? Jun 24 10:52:59 it's over, BlueGene Jun 24 10:54:53 anybody have a good czech/english translator? Jun 24 11:00:32 c0ffee could you explain me it? Jun 24 11:02:25 c0ffee when maemo start the offer? Jun 24 11:06:18 the offer started january 2007 and ended february 2007 Jun 24 11:14:52 :( Jun 24 12:37:54 i just met two guys in a political channel who happened to get free 770s from Nokia Jun 24 12:37:58 how strange is that :) Jun 24 12:48:16 free 770s from Nokia? Jun 24 12:50:27 hi, installed scratchbox .debs on Debian Etch manually, /usr/bin/scratchbox cannot be run as user as it says Permission denied; it is owned by root Jun 24 12:50:49 following these instructions: http://repository.maemo.org/stable/bora/INSTALL.txt, and http://www.scratchbox.org/documentation/user/scratchbox-1.0/html/installdoc.html Jun 24 12:58:19 mbuf: Is it owned by the group sbox and have you added the user to scratchbox with /scratchbox/sbin/sbox_adduser? Jun 24 12:59:07 zuh that step i haven't done yet Jun 24 12:59:26 zuh, it is confusing with two isntall guides Jun 24 12:59:33 *install Jun 24 12:59:57 zuh, i did sb-adduser shaks, is it the same thing? Jun 24 13:01:39 possibly... That's probably just a wrapper for the one I pointed out. Like the /usr/bin/scratchbox is a wrapper for /scratchbox/login. Jun 24 13:02:12 zuh, i tried it as root, #/scratchbox/sbin/sbox_adduser user, it says, user account already exists Jun 24 13:02:38 Maybe you didn't add the user to the sbox group? Jun 24 13:03:17 The sbox_adduser does that only optionally, but AFAIK it's needed anyway Jun 24 13:03:23 zuh, user is part of sbox group Jun 24 13:03:44 And the /usr/bin/scratchbox is owned by that group? Jun 24 13:03:59 If you've just added your user to sbox group, you need to log out, and back in again. Jun 24 13:04:04 zuh, no, it is owned by root Jun 24 13:04:12 Hi Jun 24 13:05:23 jonnylamb, gotcha, had to logout and login, thanks Jun 24 13:07:16 mbuf: No worries. This is no sbox thing btw. If you ever add a user to a group, that user must log back in (if he or she was already logged in) for changes to take place. (at least on Gnu-based OS's). Jun 24 13:07:57 jonnylamb, i see Jun 24 13:09:59 btw: is it legal to edit /home/use/.osso/menus/applications.menu by hand, or will the package manager roll over and die during uninstallation if it doesn't find the entries there? I assume the applications.menu is generated post-install from the .desktop files, but I'd rather not find out the hardware whether I'm wrong ;) Jun 24 13:10:13 *the hard way Jun 24 13:10:20 (freudian mega-typo ..) Jun 24 13:11:20 Sho_: I don't know what the applications.menu is supposed to do Jun 24 13:12:04 on the maemo website there is a lot of docs and refs about the .desktop files , I think that they don't need to live in the users' home dir Jun 24 13:12:05 keesj: It seems to contain the folder structure of the menu and the application entries, as references to .desktop files Jun 24 13:12:21 keesj: Basically I want to move some of the entries around Jun 24 13:12:33 (because my "Extras" menu has gotten uncomfortably long) Jun 24 13:12:52 the "official" way is to change the symlinks somehwere in /etc Jun 24 13:14:50 sb-conf: No such devkit: debian, i have installed scratchbox-devkit-debian_1.0.8_i396.deb already Jun 24 13:15:33 1.0.8 ? that is pretty recent Jun 24 13:15:50 and what is i396? Jun 24 13:16:00 keesj, that is a type, its 386 Jun 24 13:16:13 *typo Jun 24 13:17:55 Sho_: The .menu under the home dir is totally legit file to tinker with (provided that you don't break the syntax of course ;), that's what the control panel plugin does Jun 24 13:18:10 zuh: There's a control panel plugin to edit the menu? Jun 24 13:18:26 That sounds like something I might be interested in ;) Jun 24 13:20:07 Yes, it's titled something like "panels" IIRC. It's the one with the icon that looks like a button. Jun 24 13:20:28 When you open that you'll see a "organize menus" button Jun 24 13:21:59 Which opens up a dialog for modifying the menu with drag and drop (and which has invisible rules against directly moving certain items, which makes no sense at all to me...) Jun 24 13:23:47 zuh: It's a third-party add-on though, right? Jun 24 13:24:13 No Jun 24 13:24:25 It's included on the device Jun 24 13:24:51 * Sho_ must be blind Jun 24 13:25:25 if i am missing this file, /scratchbox/packages/maemo-sdk-rootstrap_3.1_i386.tgz, what did i miss in the steps? Jun 24 13:26:34 urgh, forgot to copy the files Jun 24 13:27:07 zuh: ah, "Navigation" it is, along with "Organize favorites" Jun 24 13:27:23 Uh, it was so cryptic? Jun 24 13:27:30 anybody in here use synergy with their NIT Jun 24 13:27:56 At least in finnish it talks about "panels", but "navigation" makes no sense at all :) Jun 24 13:29:09 if you do, i found a nice GUI app to make using it less of a hassle....compile with no issues... Jun 24 13:29:36 zuh: Much better now -- thanks! Jun 24 13:41:24 any body knows the best tutorial for beginers of python ? Jun 24 13:41:53 henkt, do you mean python for maemo or 'pure python'? Jun 24 13:43:53 http://docs.python.org/tut/ Jun 24 13:43:59 _THE_ tutorial Jun 24 13:46:45 once you are confident with the main python tutorial, dig maemo specific:http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/python_maemo_3.x_howto.html Jun 24 13:48:27 lmoura, python for maemo Jun 24 13:48:32 melmoth, there's an updated version at pymaemo.garage Jun 24 13:48:33 http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/documentation/pymaemo_tutorial/python_maemo_howto.html Jun 24 13:53:42 alright, setup Maemo without Internet connectivity on laptop, phew, manual install takes time Jun 24 13:59:01 thanks all Jun 24 14:03:33 can I test now with few codes of python conectivity of internet from my maimo plat form Jun 24 14:03:55 any body advice me such sample code ? Jun 24 14:04:30 henkt, there are some examples in the python-conic Jun 24 14:04:44 I don't think they're exported in the package Jun 24 14:05:09 you can get them here: https://garage.maemo.org/svn/pymaemo/packages/python-conic/trunk/tests/ Jun 24 14:10:02 ok tanks lmoura,I will check them out Jun 24 14:11:43 hi Jun 24 14:15:40 lmoura, I got the following meassage when I run test_connect.py Jun 24 14:15:44 [sbox-SDK_X86: ~] > ./test_connect.py Jun 24 14:15:44 connect(): Jun 24 14:15:44 python2.5[6556]: GLIB DEBUG ConIc - con_ic_connection_send_event(0x80ed408, (null), (null), 1) Jun 24 14:15:44 connection_cb(, , aa55) Jun 24 14:15:44 (DISCONNECTED (None, None, 1, 0) Jun 24 14:16:16 oh, I forgot to mention. They just work on the device Jun 24 14:16:21 :) Jun 24 14:16:32 :( Jun 24 14:16:49 how do I get the one I can test on PC Jun 24 14:17:04 while developing it, I had to edit/compile/package in the desktop and switch to the device Jun 24 14:17:16 well, I don't know if it's possible :( Jun 24 14:18:08 (and as I was playing with the connectivity, I had to use the device's terminal, no ssh...) Jun 24 14:18:09 I read in maemo tutorial that it is posible to test atlist internet conection but the rest can not be tested unless it is on device Jun 24 14:18:37 but may not neccesarly be on python. may be on c or... Jun 24 14:19:18 hello there Jun 24 14:20:03 lmoura, ru there Jun 24 14:20:28 I'm cheking the connectivity guide Jun 24 14:20:36 okey Jun 24 14:20:39 http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/howto_connectivity_guide_bora.html Jun 24 14:22:48 henkt, I didn't find any mention to using the connectivity while on scratchbox =\ Jun 24 14:22:56 sorry guys, and girls, of course... someone have any idea how to put short cut on n800 desktop Jun 24 14:23:47 lmoura, wait let me show you Jun 24 14:24:06 hi Al, no. i start apps through the menu Jun 24 14:25:33 http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/Maemo_tutorial_bora.html#internet Jun 24 14:25:46 Testing Limitations There are limitations for testing the connectivity with the SDK. It is possible to make and run Internet connected application inside Scratchbox with the PC SDK rootstrap, but it is of course not possible to test the WLAN and Bluetooth connections in it without the real hardware. Jun 24 14:26:09 pupnik, there is IDEA prg, but it s too static, you can t move the application inside the desk Jun 24 14:26:54 henkt, I think he means: "You can access internet from scratchbox, but you cant play with the connectivity API..." Jun 24 14:27:16 anybody want the QuickSynergy deb? Jun 24 14:29:30 sorry, but i m using the n800 only for 2 days i m very noooobbbssss Jun 24 14:31:13 Al look on gargae i think there is such an application startup laucnher or something that ley you have 'icons' on the desktop Jun 24 14:32:39 https://garage.maemo.org/projects/simple-launcher/ Jun 24 14:32:44 I guess it the above one Jun 24 14:34:56 thanks a lot... I will try as soon as possibile... Jun 24 14:35:39 peace out.....movie time.... Jun 24 14:38:43 see you soon my dears... I m gooing to install some ulty on my little nokia... have a nice evening.. Jun 24 14:39:25 tanks, lmoura Jun 24 14:40:24 I wonder if anybody has ever tried running the free 'Evaluation Kit' of Opera 9 for Devices, which is available for Linux/ARM, on the N800 .. :-) Jun 24 14:40:28 henkt, no problem Jun 24 14:42:59 hi everyone! Jun 24 14:43:15 anybody succesfull working the usb-host-mode in n800?? Jun 24 16:04:06 has any one had truble getting apt-get to update properly lately? Jun 24 16:22:47 Hyperion|n800: I alway's have :p , usualy it's a repo that died Jun 24 16:26:48 ya i tkink abiword was my offender this time Jun 24 20:12:20 is it can be raep time? Jun 24 20:17:02 Songs To Drink and Drive By - http://www.archive.org/download/csr001/2-13-TZL.mp3 Jun 24 20:18:51 Is it possible to use an IDE on the host, and host it compile in scratchbox? I'd like to use kdevelop, but obviously i need hildon libs that are going to be scratchbox-specific Jun 24 20:20:15 maybe you just need to apt-get source kdevelop within the scratchbox armel environment Jun 24 20:20:19 and compile it Jun 24 20:20:31 but ... sheesh k-anything is a pig Jun 24 20:20:40 wont I think be limited to the xepher window? Jun 24 20:20:45 yes Jun 24 20:20:53 and the maemo environment Jun 24 20:21:11 some guys ported kde to the tablet Jun 24 20:21:20 it's an evil bad lame sick idea though Jun 24 20:21:33 hm Jun 24 20:21:47 you know what i use? Jun 24 20:21:48 vi Jun 24 20:21:51 hehe Jun 24 20:21:59 its more the build management that im interested in Jun 24 20:22:03 and LOTs of windows Jun 24 20:22:04 ah Jun 24 20:22:12 cause im not really well versed in writing my own makefiles Jun 24 20:22:16 maybe im just being lazy Jun 24 20:22:31 oh build environments are scary and scary Jun 24 20:22:46 i look at packages and get the horrors all the time Jun 24 20:23:10 but then you start to fight through the jungle Jun 24 20:23:12 Being able to write ones own Makefiles is a skill one will never regret! Jun 24 20:23:35 i can write makefiles, this is not the issue Jun 24 20:23:56 porting real apps is schwboaaang! Jun 24 20:24:00 pupnik: I was actually talking to livingtm_ :P Jun 24 20:24:18 jonnylamb, yeah i agree Jun 24 20:24:25 The GNU/Make manual is actually managable too.. Jun 24 20:24:28 i was spoiled by visual studio Jun 24 20:24:48 to what extent is automake "auto"? Jun 24 20:25:00 isnt that what the dpkg-buildpackage uses? Jun 24 20:25:06 Eugh! I moved over to Linux before it took control over me! Jun 24 20:25:15 jonnylamb, lucky :-) Jun 24 20:25:20 Err those tools are very different.. Jun 24 20:25:20 and it was VB too.... Jun 24 20:26:10 Automake compiles the program; dpkg-bp creates a Debian package based on yet more make rules in debian/rules.. Jun 24 20:26:22 jonnylamb, I built the maemopad example using the dpkg method, seemed simple enough Jun 24 20:26:35 then i tried to debianize my own package... Jun 24 20:26:42 alp? Jun 24 20:26:58 or any other maemo/mono guy awake? Jun 24 20:27:10 livingtm_: Heh, I feel a 'but' coming on! Jun 24 20:27:13 and started building my 3 file project by hand :-) Jun 24 20:27:22 * jonnylamb goes for dinner. Jun 24 20:27:27 caus eit was just easier that way Jun 24 20:30:47 Im try to write a tiny little project in C++ with TCP sockets.. is there a recommended tcp socket library that is appropriate for this platform? Jun 24 20:55:31 anyone know of an image manipulation package that can be run via script that will run on the 800? I'm looking for something that will take images off a mem card and shrink then so that they are asier to upload to an online gallery Jun 24 20:56:27 imagemagick Jun 24 20:56:39 you may have to port it though Jun 24 20:56:48 melmoth, thanks, will look into it Jun 24 21:15:06 using pymaemo, is there any way to import a pyd? I get an importerror Jun 24 21:18:11 a what ? Jun 24 21:19:37 .pyd file Jun 24 21:21:04 i dont even know what it is :) i have met pyc and pyo Jun 24 21:21:28 but i never try to use those , directly. I import the py ones. Jun 24 21:22:15 basically I'm tring to get http://uche.ogbuji.net/tech/4suite/amara/ to work on my n800 Jun 24 21:24:13 hey, it says it support 'python setup.py install' installation Jun 24 21:24:22 it then should be failry easy to make a .deb out of it Jun 24 21:24:46 http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/documentation/pymaemo_tutorial/python_maemo_howto.html#link26 Jun 24 21:25:07 all I did was copy the directories from my site-packages on my computer to the one on the n800 Jun 24 21:25:20 worked for simplejson...didn't for amara Jun 24 21:25:31 well, do stuff the right way. Jun 24 21:25:35 hah, ok Jun 24 21:25:37 use scratchboxn and build a .deb. Jun 24 21:26:03 or, to go faster, on the n800 try out python2.5 setup.py install /somewhere/handy Jun 24 21:26:28 then add /somewhere/handy in the python path (import sys then sys.path.append("/somewhere/handy") Jun 24 21:26:41 but i never try out python setup stuff on the n800 directly Jun 24 21:28:15 is there a way to set up the scratchbox on a windows box? Jun 24 21:28:51 wmware Jun 24 21:35:04 kga23 https://garage.maemo.org/projects/maemovmware/ Jun 24 21:35:12 s/kga23/jga23/ Jun 24 21:35:12 melmoth meant: jga23 https://garage.maemo.org/projects/maemovmware/ Jun 24 21:38:27 great, thanks **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Jun 25 02:59:56 2007