**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jun 30 02:59:57 2007
Jun 30 03:00:54 <sorbix> are you sure minimo works with 2006?  it says i need the x11 packages
Jun 30 03:01:04 <Dr_Nunim> You need the dependencys.
Jun 30 03:01:07 <Dr_Nunim> but it's working fine.
Jun 30 03:01:16 <Dr_Nunim> use the repositories listed.
Jun 30 03:01:45 <KaylaKaze> pupnik: no
Jun 30 03:03:41 <pupnik> there's a dpkg command to show the OS version a package wants
Jun 30 03:03:49 <pupnik> you can also try dpkg -i <packagename>
Jun 30 03:05:47 <milhouse> $99,999,999.00
Jun 30 03:08:07 <milhouse> And it's been removed :(
Jun 30 03:09:38 <Dr_Nunim> Told you :(
Jun 30 03:11:25 <pupnik> I should put Germany up for auction.
Jun 30 03:11:41 <pupnik> oh nevermind, we're already sold-out
Jun 30 03:12:00 <milhouse> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/used-sock-with-hole_W0QQitemZ280129037088QQihZ018QQcategoryZ313QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Jun 30 03:12:11 <milhouse> Tempting
Jun 30 03:12:39 <KaylaKaze> I can't dpkg... when I try, it pw prompts me. I put in rootme but it says incorrect
Jun 30 03:13:31 <pupnik> google nokia+"how do I become root"
Jun 30 03:13:39 <pupnik> i think it's sudo gainroot or summat
Jun 30 03:13:49 <KaylaKaze> I know how to gain root
Jun 30 03:13:53 <milhouse> sudo gainroot
Jun 30 03:13:55 <KaylaKaze> but I'm not able to do it
Jun 30 03:14:13 <milhouse> but you need to have installed the becomeroot package or have your device in R&D mode (I use the latter method)
Jun 30 03:14:15 <KaylaKaze> ssh is giving me errors. I'm installing a text editor to try to fix the ssh problem
Jun 30 03:14:37 <KaylaKaze> ssh says that the key isn't authorized or soemthing
Jun 30 03:16:07 <pupnik> you can delete your ~/.ssh/ keys to clear them out
Jun 30 03:16:25 <sorbix> man setting up minimo is complicated
Jun 30 03:18:49 <KaylaKaze> I think somethign has changed my root pw
Jun 30 03:19:07 <KaylaKaze> sorbix, then you're not doing it right
Jun 30 03:19:15 <milhouse> should be rootme by default
Jun 30 03:19:23 <KaylaKaze> milhouse: I know
Jun 30 03:19:36 <KaylaKaze> but it's not working. It was earlier
Jun 30 03:20:04 <sorbix> im trying to add the repositories but the package lists arent refereshing right
Jun 30 03:20:44 <KaylaKaze> I just clicked on a deb link
Jun 30 03:21:14 <KaylaKaze> oh, no I didn't
Jun 30 03:21:19 <KaylaKaze> I used this repository http://tonikitoo.blogspot.com/2006/09/minimomozilla-maemo-port-repository.html
Jun 30 03:22:31 <sorbix> no i got that added but it says i need the x11-common packages
Jun 30 03:24:07 <KaylaKaze> the log for app manager says about the synergy package "Package must have "Section: user/FOO" to be considered compatible"
Jun 30 03:24:12 <KaylaKaze> is there a way to fix that?
Jun 30 03:24:42 <KaylaKaze> sorbix: I must have installed something else before hand that had them or had a repository that had them
Jun 30 03:29:21 <pupnik> KaylaKaze: oh good grief.  That's a known error.  keesj what's up with that?
Jun 30 03:29:31 <pupnik> He's probably sleeping like a sane european.
Jun 30 03:29:51 <pupnik> KaylaKaze: yeah i can't remember offhand
Jun 30 03:31:41 <pupnik> Ok, in the pkg source, it requires one change the debian/control file, line "Section: libs" to "Section: user/libs"
Jun 30 03:33:18 <pupnik> KaylaKaze: see if you get the error running (as root) dpkg -i thesynergypakage.deb
Jun 30 03:36:54 <KaylaKaze> pupnik: I can't get root access. rootme isn't working
Jun 30 03:37:21 <pupnik> can you ssh to the device?
Jun 30 03:38:04 <KaylaKaze> only locally on itself
Jun 30 03:38:13 <milhouse> how have you tried to get root so far? have you tried ssh -l root <ip>?
Jun 30 03:38:35 <KaylaKaze> wait, I got it
Jun 30 03:38:56 <KaylaKaze> the 770 spontaneously changed it's ip on me so I was trying to ssh to it's old one
Jun 30 03:39:18 <KaylaKaze> I was able to ssh into it as root from my desktop (though I still can't get root on it locally)
Jun 30 03:39:58 <milhouse> how are you trying to get root locally? what method(s)?
Jun 30 03:40:04 <milhouse> sudo su - root?
Jun 30 03:40:15 <milhouse> or sudo gainroot?
Jun 30 03:40:18 <KaylaKaze> sudo
Jun 30 03:40:22 <milhouse> or ssh -l root localhost?
Jun 30 03:40:22 <KaylaKaze> and sudo su
Jun 30 03:40:25 <KaylaKaze> and ssh
Jun 30 03:40:46 <KaylaKaze> okay, I think this installed synergy
Jun 30 03:40:52 <milhouse> "sudo su - root" should work assuming the password is rootme and you haven't disabled root login
Jun 30 03:41:40 <KaylaKaze> well, I'll try later. I'm much happier doing it through ssh on my pc
Jun 30 03:43:37 <KaylaKaze> hmm.. synergys is telling me no configuration file available and I have no idea where one would be
Jun 30 03:44:17 <pupnik> /etc/synergy.conf
Jun 30 03:44:31 <pupnik> /usr/share/doc/synergy/examples/synergy.conf
Jun 30 03:45:21 <KaylaKaze> neither
Jun 30 03:45:40 <pupnik> put the synergy server on your pc, client on the nokia
Jun 30 03:45:57 <KaylaKaze> oh... I thought it was the other way around
Jun 30 03:46:22 <KaylaKaze> I thought I wanted to control the nokia from my dekstop
Jun 30 03:46:31 <pupnik> correct
Jun 30 03:46:54 <pupnik> the server should be on the machine with the controlling keyboard and mouse
Jun 30 03:47:19 <pupnik> it helps to read the manual
Jun 30 03:47:51 <KaylaKaze> what manual
Jun 30 03:48:00 <KaylaKaze> and there's nothign on maemo to read with
Jun 30 03:48:51 <pupnik> google synergy server howto
Jun 30 03:49:20 <pupnik> maybe add synergy.conf to the search
Jun 30 03:50:33 <KaylaKaze> well, I've got them synergy connected
Jun 30 03:51:24 <pupnik> really?  hows it working for you
Jun 30 03:51:42 <pupnik> any issues?
Jun 30 03:52:16 <KaylaKaze> I haven't figured out how to use it yet
Jun 30 03:52:43 <KaylaKaze> my server window on my desktop shows it's connected... but that's about it
Jun 30 03:54:08 <pupnik> to what side of your monitor is the nokia set up?
Jun 30 03:54:17 <pupnik> in synergy.conf?
Jun 30 03:55:19 <KaylaKaze> I have no idea. I'm still reading the docs
Jun 30 03:55:54 <pupnik> then you clearly do not have them connected via synergy
Jun 30 03:56:19 <KaylaKaze> well, I had a window on my PC saying that it was connected
Jun 30 03:57:43 <KaylaKaze> or maybe it's refusing connection...
Jun 30 03:59:59 <KaylaKaze> there we go
Jun 30 04:01:04 <KaylaKaze> still can't figure out what it's supposed to be doing though
Jun 30 04:04:00 <pupnik> to what side of your monitor is the nokia set up?
Jun 30 04:04:38 <KaylaKaze> left
Jun 30 04:05:03 <pupnik> ok when you move your mouse pointer to the left edge of the pc screen, does it stay there, or disappear?
Jun 30 04:05:10 <KaylaKaze> stay there
Jun 30 04:05:21 <pupnik> ok then it's not connecting
Jun 30 04:05:39 <pupnik> it will disappear from your pc screen if it's set up right and connected
Jun 30 04:05:43 <KaylaKaze> okay, now it's working
Jun 30 04:06:01 <KaylaKaze> well, it did for a second
Jun 30 04:07:18 <milhouse> Here's the next iPhone auction heading for a takedown - up to $1m already http://cgi.ebay.com/iPHONE-BRAND-NEW-8GB-APPLE-i-PHONE-NIB-FAST-SHIPPING_W0QQitemZ140133996651QQihZ004QQcategoryZ64355QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Jun 30 04:07:32 <milhouse> actually, that's the opening bid!
Jun 30 04:09:43 <pupnik> KaylaKaze: the thing that's not yet implemented in synergy client for maemo is 'cursor showing'.  It will not show the X cursor.  You have to do that manually.
Jun 30 04:09:54 <KaylaKaze> how?
Jun 30 04:10:09 <milhouse> off to catch some zzzz's - night all
Jun 30 04:10:16 <KaylaKaze> right now, something's using all my nokia's cpu power
Jun 30 04:10:26 <pupnik> there's a default cursor that's transparent on the nokia
Jun 30 04:10:28 <pupnik> nite milhouse
Jun 30 04:10:28 <KaylaKaze> pretty much completely locked up
Jun 30 04:10:50 <pupnik> so what i did was copy in a curser bitmap
Jun 30 04:11:19 <pupnik> the sad thing is i didn't find any description in a web search for how to do this
Jun 30 04:11:23 <pupnik> it's somewhere in my notes
Jun 30 04:12:23 <KaylaKaze> looks like I might have to pull the battery again
Jun 30 04:13:18 <pupnik> you can type 'reboot' from a root shell also iirc
Jun 30 04:16:00 <KaylaKaze> it's too locked up to even run reboot
Jun 30 04:16:25 <pupnik> i wonder what that could be
Jun 30 04:17:30 <KaylaKaze> it's working... just REALLY slowly
Jun 30 04:35:31 <Dr_Nunim> 2007 feels a lot like 2006.
Jun 30 04:35:44 <Dr_Nunim> It's layed out a little nicer though.
Jun 30 04:37:06 <Dr_Nunim> Wifi settings are a little easier.
Jun 30 08:41:19 <molkko> are installation instructions in some wiki where one can propose improvements to the instructions?
Jun 30 08:41:31 <molkko> it seems to me that http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/3.1/INSTALL.txt chapter 3.2.2 5th line should be "$/scratchbox/login" not "scratchbox"  , right?
Jun 30 08:42:19 <pupnik_> un moment
Jun 30 08:43:08 <pupnik_> yes
Jun 30 08:43:25 <molkko> yes wiki or yes error
Jun 30 08:43:39 <pupnik_> error
Jun 30 08:45:09 <pupnik_> try bora-feedback@maemo.org
Jun 30 08:45:22 <pupnik> (i am not a nokia employee)
Jun 30 09:13:57 <molkko> I can e.g. wget from scratchbox meaning networking works ok but apt-get update from scratchbox throws errors like "could not resolve 'repository.maemo.org'". /etc/apt/sources.list is in order I suppose. how to debug?
Jun 30 09:15:12 <melmoth> molkko known 'problem'
Jun 30 09:15:28 <melmoth> double check the following in the _host_ machine (not scratchbox)
Jun 30 09:15:34 <melmoth>  /etc/resolve.conf is ok
Jun 30 09:15:42 <oil> could someone explain to me what is this scratchbox?
Jun 30 09:15:50 <melmoth>  /etc/nsswitch.conf mention dns and NOT mdsn for the host resolving
Jun 30 09:16:13 <melmoth> scratchbox is a sort of chroot based 'emulator' as far as i underestand it
Jun 30 09:16:40 <molkko> oil, see e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scratchbox
Jun 30 09:17:18 <melmoth> argh
Jun 30 09:17:37 <melmoth> i meant /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf and /scratbchobx/etc/nsswitch.conf :)
Jun 30 09:18:00 <melmoth> of course, /etc/* should be ok as well, but you would not be there if it was not the case...
Jun 30 09:18:16 <oil> molkko: thanks. and that runs on 770/n800 or on windowns/linux PC ?
Jun 30 09:19:00 <pupnik> on the PC
Jun 30 09:19:16 <oil> ok. thanks.
Jun 30 09:19:23 <pupnik> it's a cross-compilation environment that can run native ARM software via the QEMU emulator
Jun 30 09:19:32 <oil> might be better that crashing the n800 once in a day :)
Jun 30 09:19:39 <pupnik> so when you develop on PC, the environment looks like the nokia
Jun 30 09:20:31 <oil> thanks for the info. I'm only doing some scripting and therefore putty and ssh are the tools for me
Jun 30 09:21:51 <oil> btw. how much work you need to do to for example compile crontab for maemo?
Jun 30 09:22:03 <oil> would that take a day, week or some hours?
Jun 30 09:22:27 <pupnik> if you have scratchbox set-up, you can apt-get source crontab and compile in a few minutes
Jun 30 09:22:52 <oil> ah. ok. then I could have a try with that
Jun 30 09:23:23 <pupnik> it took me a couple of weeks to get comfortable enough with the environment and commands.  but i am a slow puppy.
Jun 30 09:25:42 <konttori800> morning!
Jun 30 09:25:52 <pupnik> salut mon ami
Jun 30 09:26:09 <molkko> i am setting up it third or fourth time but still it does not go super smoothly. always at some stage things just start to deviate from what is in the instructions and then you find yourself googling help or chatting here
Jun 30 09:27:00 <melmoth> molkko, the most annoying things that happened here was this name resolving thingy
Jun 30 09:27:35 <melmoth> otherwisen it went rather smoothly, twice (real machine, and then in a xen one to play on non debian based machine)
Jun 30 09:35:38 <oil> ok. sources.list updated. but, which packages should I install? scratchbox-core? orhers?
Jun 30 09:38:46 <molkko> oil, are you sure you are doing the right thing. I guess you should proceed according to this http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/3.1/INSTALL.txt
Jun 30 09:40:07 <zuh> There's a list of what to install in section 2.2 "Installing Scratchbox Apophis manually"
Jun 30 09:41:11 <konttori> You know guys, I've been wondering if someone should make a utility to edit the opera ini and input ini. Sort of opera tuner. I think it would be great if it had the minimum font size, dpad direction actions, + and - button actions, iframe on/off toggle, maybe a few other. And preset buttons: Automatic performance tune, automatic general tune and default settings.
Jun 30 09:41:27 <konttori> See discussion on ITT: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7076
Jun 30 09:41:52 <oil> molkko: I'll try to follow that
Jun 30 09:42:24 <konttori> At least for me, the browsing experience is so much better now that I have minimum font size 14, disabled the scrollbars and configured dpad middle button to page down.
Jun 30 09:44:28 <`0660> yes you should! :)
Jun 30 09:53:28 <konttori> I don't think I have the time to do it right now. Too many projects. I would need a project team to help me with those.
Jun 30 10:00:33 <`0660> sorry, didn't notice you said someone :)
Jun 30 10:01:09 <`0660> but i think that would be a really popular program and quite an easy one too
Jun 30 10:01:56 <konttori> I agree.
Jun 30 10:02:12 <konttori> Probably would take less than 8 hours to make, test and package.
Jun 30 10:02:47 <konttori> Probably should be made in python as it's mostly just text operations on the opera.ini file
Jun 30 10:32:11 <pupnik> konttori: as a quick alternative, just post an alternate opera.ini to ITT forum and let people see your changes?
Jun 30 10:32:39 <konttori> pupnik: But most of the people can't copy it anyway.
Jun 30 10:33:21 <pupnik> yeah
Jun 30 10:34:11 <konttori> And I think that a tuner is better than a opera ini replacer script.
Jun 30 10:34:33 <pupnik> sure :)  Ought to be in opera options anyway.
Jun 30 10:34:54 <pupnik> How do you scroll back up without scrollbar?  oh.. duhhh.  drag and pull, right/
Jun 30 10:39:05 <konttori> punik: agreed. It's so odd that even the minimin font size is not in the options
Jun 30 10:39:24 <konttori> punik: yeah, and I also configured dpad up to page up.
Jun 30 10:39:56 <konttori> the dpad is just so horrible that I can't use the dpad down to page down as I would just get cramps in my hand.
Jun 30 10:40:41 <konttori> It's badly located and the press has to be made by the tip of the thumb instead of the middle of the thumb as with any proper dpad.
Jun 30 10:41:08 <pupnik> yeah it's awful because the thumb accidentally can hit the enter button
Jun 30 10:41:39 <pupnik> just a few more millimeter size on the dpad, and a slightly smaller enter button
Jun 30 10:41:48 <pupnik> and diagonals, and slightly less resistance
Jun 30 10:43:05 <rwhitby> konttori: can you pastebin your opera.ini here at least?
Jun 30 10:43:32 <konttori800> well. i can try
Jun 30 10:43:42 * rwhitby has never touched opera.ini, and would like to see the master's modifications :-)
Jun 30 10:45:13 <konttori> I'm no master. It's easy to modify it.
Jun 30 10:46:14 <konttori800> http://pastebin.ca/596991
Jun 30 10:46:35 <konttori> But to modify the key presses, you need to modify the input.ini. Want that too?
Jun 30 10:46:41 <pupnik> The force is strong with this one...
Jun 30 10:47:15 <konttori> the best browser change is the minimum font size to 14.
Jun 30 10:48:49 * pupnik likes licetype usually, but will try your mod
Jun 30 10:48:58 <pupnik> i really like the no-scrollbar
Jun 30 10:49:07 <konttori800> http://pastebin.ca/596993
Jun 30 10:49:21 <konttori> the latter is input.ini
Jun 30 10:49:25 <pupnik> Thank you Obi-Wan.
Jun 30 10:49:41 <konttori> probably not the best ini, but something that helps me get by browsing news.
Jun 30 10:50:15 <konttori> I love the ability to press middle button to page down. So much easier to read articles as well as news sites.
Jun 30 10:50:42 <konttori> I think that nokia should have small acceleration in the finger scroll.
Jun 30 10:50:49 <konttori> the drag scroll I mean
Jun 30 10:50:58 <konttori> it could be twice the finger movement.
Jun 30 10:51:19 <konttori> that way user wouldn't have to move finger quite that much.
Jun 30 10:51:34 <pupnik> nice idea
Jun 30 10:51:45 <rwhitby> konttori: thx
Jun 30 10:51:49 <konttori> np
Jun 30 11:19:29 <pupnik> I don't understand why the virtual keyboard doesn't generate normal X keyboard events.  It would be much more compatible with non-hildon apps if it did.
Jun 30 11:36:38 <ttuttle_> ericz: " On FedEx vehicle for delivery"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jun 30 11:36:53 <ericz> mine's in a nearby city
Jun 30 11:37:01 <ttuttle_> ericz: cool
Jun 30 11:37:06 <ericz> " At local FedEx facility   "
Jun 30 11:37:19 <ericz> either 4 hours.. or 4 days
Jun 30 11:38:15 <ericz> estimated delivery is still july 3rd, but i could go pick up the package and drive back home in about 45 minutes total
Jun 30 11:41:52 <pupnik> Ok this is just about the funniest thing i've seen in ages.
Jun 30 11:42:36 <pupnik> Originally Posted by andymulhearn: "
Jun 30 11:42:37 <pupnik> And you're advocacy includes being offensive the people on public forums does it?"
Jun 30 11:43:18 <pupnik> then i posted: "You're" is a contraction of "you are". "Your" indicates possession.
Jun 30 11:43:43 <pupnik> Then andy mulhearn responds:
Jun 30 11:43:44 <pupnik> All I can say, is I hope your programming is better than your english because you're wrong.
Jun 30 11:43:54 <suihkulokki> haha
Jun 30 11:44:02 <ericz> heh..
Jun 30 11:44:18 <pupnik> And the best part is he uses it correctly in the response.
Jun 30 11:44:20 <ericz> he did get "you're wrong" right, at least
Jun 30 11:44:46 <pupnik> He used it correctly three times in the last sentence which negates his last sentence.
Jun 30 11:45:21 <pupnik> I better not respond to that :)
Jun 30 11:45:55 <pupnik> heh "I'd better" :P
Jun 30 11:46:36 <pupnik> If you have to explain a joke, you kind-of ruin it.
Jun 30 11:53:15 <ericz> ttuttle_,  On FedEx vehicle for delivery
Jun 30 11:53:45 <ericz> ttuttle_, betchya i get mine first :P
Jun 30 12:01:37 * ericz thinks ttuttle already has his, and isn't at PC because he's messing with it
Jun 30 12:05:08 <ttuttle_> ericz: :-b I'll race 'ya.
Jun 30 12:05:12 <ttuttle_> ericz: No, not yet.
Jun 30 12:05:15 <ericz> haha
Jun 30 12:05:24 <ericz> im betting i'll get mine by noon
Jun 30 12:06:54 <ericz> ive got a wml/wap page i made that search this tracking page so i can view it on my crappy ancient phone, i was checking it constantly last night
Jun 30 12:07:28 <ericz> need my tablet, so i can do stuff like that without needing to make a php script to convert stuff to wml!
Jun 30 12:07:35 <inz> =)
Jun 30 12:10:29 <ericz> i'm so lazy, i'm worrying about typing out my long wpa key..
Jun 30 12:11:04 <ericz> maybe if i put it on a web page to copy/paste.. and use some open wireless somewhere to get to the page
Jun 30 12:42:43 <MoRpHeUz> anybody here from Oulu ?
Jun 30 12:53:22 <zuh> ericz: Wouldn't that make the authentication key a bit worthless?-)
Jun 30 12:53:36 <ericz> i mean, i'd take it down after copying it :p
Jun 30 12:53:43 <ericz> i just don't want to type it out
Jun 30 12:54:35 <zuh> So rather than typing it in, you'll spend even more time on hackery to be able to copy paste :)
Jun 30 12:54:50 <ericz> i really would
Jun 30 12:55:27 <zuh> Btw, the browser has incredibly difficult selection method, so you'll likely tap more times on the screen trying to select the text than what it would take to write it...
Jun 30 12:55:48 <ericz> ah
Jun 30 12:55:57 <ericz> maybe i should just type it out, like normal people
Jun 30 12:56:42 <zuh> I'd recommend it, at least over trying to double-tap-and-drag just right in the browser
Jun 30 13:01:18 <ericz> in opera on the 770, is there a thing for a proxy in settings?
Jun 30 13:02:35 <zuh> It's a global setting, trough the swamp of connectivity dialogs
Jun 30 13:03:06 <ericz> ah, k
Jun 30 13:03:41 <ericz> sounds like people seem to have trouble finding dialogs or configuring things? are the menus really unorganized?
Jun 30 13:04:52 <zuh> I'm just overly negative when it comes to 4-level deep hierachies of dialogs :P
Jun 30 13:05:06 <ericz> ah. understandable
Jun 30 13:05:21 <ericz> navigating via stylus only enhances the fun
Jun 30 13:06:01 <zuh> oh, that part is ok, I like poking the screen.
Jun 30 13:06:16 <ericz> i can see my screen being all dented in a year or two
Jun 30 13:06:40 <ericz> all dented only on the keys for my password, that'd be great
Jun 30 13:06:41 <pupnik> my 770 still looks great, and i'm very rough on hardware
Jun 30 13:06:54 <pupnik> used a pen, lighter, fingernails as a stylus
Jun 30 13:07:22 <zuh> Mine has already lost some sensitivity... But I've given it to my <5 year olds to draw with so I guess I'm to blame ;)
Jun 30 13:07:30 <ericz> i broke a stylus that came with some cheapy walmart pda ($10?) i got one time
Jun 30 13:07:36 <zuh> (my N800 that is)
Jun 30 13:08:00 <ericz> pushed too hard, stylus just snapped in half
Jun 30 13:09:29 <ericz> i shoved it back in the hole too i think, the bottom half is still stuck in there
Jun 30 13:11:54 <`0660> i'm glad the stylus breaks before the screen :)
Jun 30 13:12:14 <ericz> n770 comes with an extra stylus, right?
Jun 30 13:14:18 <`0660> i'm not sure about that
Jun 30 13:14:32 <`0660> at least n800 does
Jun 30 13:24:27 <pcfe> ericz: yes, the 770 comes with a spare stylus (at least mine did)
Jun 30 13:24:48 <ericz> pcfe, ah, thanks
Jun 30 13:51:05 <Niacin> mine didnt
Jun 30 13:51:07 <Niacin> ;\
Jun 30 13:52:39 <brlancer> I lost my treo stylus for a while
Jun 30 13:52:54 <brlancer> a drink stirrer I grabbed at a bar was the perfect size
Jun 30 13:56:20 <pupnik> nice - a little rough on the edges perhaps
Jun 30 13:56:25 <ericz> couldn't fedex, ya know, change Expected delivery date on the tracking page when it says it's on the truck for delivery?
Jun 30 13:58:03 <brlancer> ericz: they could but they have no incentive to
Jun 30 13:58:13 <ericz> it's on the truck for delivery for 3 hours, and it still says i should expect delivery on july 3rd :P
Jun 30 13:58:20 <ericz> oh well.
Jun 30 13:58:35 <ericz> would be too convenient for them to make sense, i guess
Jun 30 13:58:45 <brlancer> ericz: and what if they don't deliver it today?
Jun 30 14:00:22 <ericz> it's on the truck
Jun 30 14:00:29 <ericz> i doubt they drive around for days on end
Jun 30 14:00:37 <ericz> 4 days even..
Jun 30 14:00:57 <Niacin> anyone got doom working on os.2007 hacker ?
Jun 30 14:02:42 <brlancer> ericz: they won't deliver it on sunday
Jun 30 14:02:55 <brlancer> they likely won't deliver it on saturday
Jun 30 14:03:16 <brlancer> and if they set an expectation ("We're delivering it today!") and then don't do it, you'd get even more snippy than you are now
Jun 30 14:03:25 <brlancer> it's about meeting or exceeding expectations
Jun 30 14:03:47 <brlancer> maybe it's on a truck that's sitting around until monday
Jun 30 14:03:50 <brlancer> maybe they don't like you
Jun 30 14:04:03 <brlancer> but unless you paid for them to deliver it today, chill out
Jun 30 14:04:28 <ericz> :P i'm too impatient for online shopping
Jun 30 14:04:54 <Niacin> ya me too
Jun 30 14:05:00 <Niacin> i bought my 3 streets down for $249
Jun 30 14:05:05 <Niacin> i think woot had it for like $129
Jun 30 14:05:19 <ericz> yeah, 129
Jun 30 14:05:35 <Niacin> but i got it straight away :)
Jun 30 14:06:04 <ericz> buy.com sold it the next day for a little bit more than 129, but with google checkout as a new user, you'd have gotten $10 off, and it'd been cheaper
Jun 30 14:06:12 <ericz> wonder if that would have shipped faster
Jun 30 14:06:33 <ericz> probably not.
Jun 30 14:06:37 <Niacin> has there been any other ports
Jun 30 14:06:45 <Niacin> on the 770?
Jun 30 14:06:49 <Niacin> like *BSD
Jun 30 14:08:16 <brlancer> Niacin: people still port things to BSD? ;)
Jun 30 14:09:03 <trevarthan> hello. is there a ~/.bashrc equivalent in maemo?
Jun 30 14:09:43 <Niacin> you mean port BSD to things? ya
Jun 30 14:09:51 <Niacin> i'm more interested in Minix :>
Jun 30 14:09:57 <Niacin> i'm one of the developers
Jun 30 14:10:56 <trevarthan> nm, stupid question
Jun 30 14:12:13 <Sho_> trevarthan: Busybox' shell is called "ash", so you probably want to look up the docs for that
Jun 30 14:12:24 <trevarthan> already did. thanks
Jun 30 15:02:41 <Blacksitox> hi
Jun 30 15:10:20 <konttori> Have you guys laready seen the first engadged videos on iphone? http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/30/iphone-first-hands-on-video/
Jun 30 15:12:38 <Sho_> konttori: well, at least flash 7 is better than no flash at all ;)
Jun 30 15:13:36 <konttori> True. otoh: flash is really not usable imho.
Jun 30 15:15:55 <Blacksitox> hello !
Jun 30 15:16:00 <Blacksitox> Where can I download that actualization software? I don't want to connect it to internet from my PC. I just want to install it from my PC
Jun 30 15:16:04 <Blacksitox> :(
Jun 30 15:16:20 <Blacksitox> Im used windows XP :\
Jun 30 15:16:43 <Dr_Nunim> actualization software?
Jun 30 15:16:54 <Blacksitox> yes
Jun 30 15:17:07 <`0660> cool. i want one too :)
Jun 30 15:17:21 <Dr_Nunim> what's actualization software?
Jun 30 15:17:31 <`0660> i don't know but it sounds cool
Jun 30 15:17:39 <`0660> and useful
Jun 30 15:17:45 <Dr_Nunim> And non existant?
Jun 30 15:17:46 <Dr_Nunim> :o
Jun 30 15:17:53 <`0660> also that :/
Jun 30 15:17:57 <gwak_> anybody know the ident strings for the iphone browser? it would be great to see if this site renders on the n800 http://reader.mac.com/
Jun 30 15:18:20 <Dr_Nunim> Probably the same as safari
Jun 30 15:18:32 <Dr_Nunim> I would like them to have their own.
Jun 30 15:18:40 <Dr_Nunim> That way I could make my website no iphones allowed.
Jun 30 15:19:02 <gwak_> ;-]
Jun 30 15:19:18 <Dr_Nunim> And you can't modify it on the iphone muhaha
Jun 30 15:19:19 <Dr_Nunim> :o
Jun 30 15:19:32 <gwak_> nope, tried it with Safari on a mac
Jun 30 15:19:43 <Dr_Nunim> Course no one goes to my website so it doesn't matter :)
Jun 30 15:19:52 <Dr_Nunim> Then you need to find someone with an iphone.
Jun 30 15:22:14 <gwak_> got it :"Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU like Mac OS X; en) AppleWebKit/420+ (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.0 Mobile/1A542a Safari/419.3"  from http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2007/06/18/Visit-From-iPhone
Jun 30 15:22:37 <gwak_> but i guess there is no way to adjust the agent string for Opera
Jun 30 15:24:46 <`0660> interesting that the cpu is like mac os x :)
Jun 30 15:25:43 <gwak_> man OS-X is one hell of a OS and apparently CPU
Jun 30 15:26:36 <c0ffee> i think that means that the os is called CPU
Jun 30 15:26:39 <c0ffee> and is like Mac OS X
Jun 30 15:27:07 <`0660> oh
Jun 30 15:27:25 <`0660> nice name for the os
Jun 30 15:27:59 <`0660> what does that "U" mean?
Jun 30 15:29:37 <c0ffee> that's the encryption strength supported
Jun 30 15:29:38 <Niacin> i would buy one
Jun 30 15:29:44 <Niacin> but who wants to go on cingular ;\
Jun 30 15:29:53 <c0ffee> U means USA
Jun 30 15:29:56 <c0ffee> I international
Jun 30 15:30:09 <gwak_> the OS-X enabled iPods sounds interesting
Jun 30 15:31:22 <gwak_> grrr now i get past the first window from reader.mac.com
Jun 30 15:31:48 <gwak_> but now it says "if youd like to view an RSS feed, just enter the feed URL directly into Safari's address bar'
Jun 30 15:32:01 <Dr_Nunim> that sounds like a pain
Jun 30 15:32:47 <gwak_> i guess the address bar will append a variable onto the URL
Jun 30 15:32:53 <Dr_Nunim> I've got cingular.
Jun 30 15:33:08 <Dr_Nunim> but I can't get that $20/unlimited data plan because I have a smart phone.
Jun 30 15:33:13 <Dr_Nunim> Which is bad.
Jun 30 15:33:21 <Dr_Nunim> Not even 3G.
Jun 30 15:37:34 <Sulis> i'd love to have an unlimited data plan, would just make the n800 so much more useful
Jun 30 15:37:49 <Dr_Nunim> hrm
Jun 30 15:38:00 * Dr_Nunim wonders if he can make a charger from ebay batteries.
Jun 30 15:47:43 <KaylaKaze> what size are wallpapers for maemo? every image I pick it says it doens't have enough memory to load
Jun 30 15:49:51 <zuh> 780x480 is the area I think
Jun 30 15:49:55 <zuh> err, 720
Jun 30 15:50:56 <KaylaKaze> is there a linux command that works like dir where it shows file sizes and directory sizes?
Jun 30 15:51:18 <KaylaKaze> ls doesn't show me that info and it's --help isn't helpful
Jun 30 15:51:59 <zuh> ls -l
Jun 30 15:52:08 <Niacin> i have been trying to hook my 770 up to my company black berry
Jun 30 15:52:11 <Niacin> so i can use the net; \
Jun 30 15:55:44 <jga23> is there any way to dynamically determine if the user is using maemo vs a different os and load libraries accordingly?  I want to make an app that works both on windows and my n800
Jun 30 15:55:57 <KaylaKaze> ah, here we go. a "backgrounds" directory
Jun 30 15:58:47 <ericz> my poor 770 has been on a delivery truck for over 5 hours, i can just see it being fried in this hot weather :(
Jun 30 16:02:50 <KaylaKaze> ah... you have to make sure it's a png and not jpeg if you set a bg
Jun 30 16:07:14 <KaylaKaze> I enjoy mine much more now that I can ssh in
Jun 30 16:07:37 <Dr_Nunim> eh, being able to ssh out is better.
Jun 30 16:07:38 <KaylaKaze> though programs still crash all the time. may be a memory thing
Jun 30 16:07:45 <Dr_Nunim> did you setup swap?
Jun 30 16:07:51 <KaylaKaze> not enough space
Jun 30 16:07:59 <Dr_Nunim> why not?
Jun 30 16:08:11 <Dr_Nunim> thats the first thing I did with my 64mb free memory card.
Jun 30 16:08:25 <KaylaKaze> but I am now anyway, even though I'll lose what little space on my card I have
Jun 30 16:08:40 <Dr_Nunim> easy fix, empty the card :)
Jun 30 16:09:16 <KaylaKaze> yeah, but then I don't have the files I need the extra memory to opem :-)
Jun 30 16:09:59 <KaylaKaze> if I can get something like samba or nfs working though, it won't be as big a problem
Jun 30 16:11:59 <ttuttle> ericz: IT'S HERE!
Jun 30 16:12:01 <ttuttle> ericz: IT'S HERE!
Jun 30 16:12:02 <ttuttle> ericz: IT'S HERE!
Jun 30 16:12:05 <ttuttle> ericz: IT'S HERE!
Jun 30 16:12:09 <ttuttle> !!!!!
Jun 30 16:13:06 * ttuttle has an N770!  It ROCKS!
Jun 30 16:13:40 * ericz crys
Jun 30 16:13:42 <ericz> no fair :P
Jun 30 16:13:45 <Dr_Nunim> lol
Jun 30 16:14:09 <Dr_Nunim> Odd how I got mine all the way in south Florida a day early
Jun 30 16:14:18 <ttuttle> Dr_Nunim: South FL is closer to TX than MA.
Jun 30 16:14:20 <Dr_Nunim> when people who lived closer to central still didn't get theirs yet.
Jun 30 16:14:21 <ericz> mine's been on a truck for 5 hours
Jun 30 16:14:39 <ttuttle> Dr_Nunim: Oh.  Such is the chaos of FedEx.
Jun 30 16:14:40 <Dr_Nunim> Mine was here by 10:30
Jun 30 16:14:46 <Dr_Nunim> Yeah I like UPS
Jun 30 16:14:47 <KaylaKaze> even with a whole chunk of VM I still can't open comic books
Jun 30 16:14:51 <Dr_Nunim> FedEx tracking system is terrible.
Jun 30 16:15:19 <ericz> 7:44 AM On FedEx vehicle for delivery
Jun 30 16:15:28 <ericz> it's 12:15 damn :/
Jun 30 16:15:56 <Dr_Nunim> So?
Jun 30 16:16:02 <Dr_Nunim> They don't start delivering till about 9.
Jun 30 16:16:25 <Dr_Nunim> My experience with FedEx saturday tells me it'll usually come later in the day.
Jun 30 16:16:27 <ericz> and im at the far end of town, probably last on the route
Jun 30 16:16:27 <ttuttle> Dr_Nunim: Yeah, they gotta have their Krispy Kremes and double tall mocha lattes with lite whip.
Jun 30 16:16:27 <Dr_Nunim> Say 2-3
Jun 30 16:16:34 <Dr_Nunim> mmm Krispy Kreme.
Jun 30 16:17:27 <ericz> at least im *supposedly* getting it today, rather than tuesday like it says
Jun 30 16:17:34 <Dr_Nunim> :)
Jun 30 16:17:41 <Dr_Nunim> I don't get my memory card until Monday :(
Jun 30 16:18:31 <ericz> i wish it took sd cards :P i have a bunch.
Jun 30 16:19:07 <Dr_Nunim> If it took SD I could have ninja'd the one from my wii or from my DS until a new one cmae.
Jun 30 16:19:09 <Dr_Nunim> came.
Jun 30 16:20:09 <ericz> AH! im going crazy waiting for this thing
Jun 30 16:20:50 <ttuttle> ericz: It's totally worth the insanity.
Jun 30 16:20:54 <ttuttle> ericz: You're gonna love it.
Jun 30 16:20:57 <ericz> everytime i hear anything even remotely sounding like a large vehicle, i look out the window
Jun 30 16:21:00 <ericz> or open the door
Jun 30 16:21:40 <ttuttle> ericz: Me too.
Jun 30 16:22:25 <KaylaKaze> looks like the only books I'll be able to read on my 770 are pure text
Jun 30 16:23:42 <KaylaKaze> I was waiting all day yesterday for the fedex guy, then around 4, checked the tracking and it said the bastard had dropped it off at my rental office without coming by my appartment
Jun 30 16:24:31 <ericz> sounds like what the pizza guys do at the low-income apartments nearby here
Jun 30 16:24:52 <KaylaKaze> well, I wouldn't have even known had I not checked the tracking
Jun 30 16:25:11 <ericz> the office would've called you eventually :P
Jun 30 16:26:59 <ericz> ttuttle, so, does it fit in your pocket?
Jun 30 16:28:00 <ttuttle> ericz: Yes.
Jun 30 16:28:08 <ttuttle> ericz: it's a little long though.
Jun 30 16:28:13 <ericz> ah
Jun 30 16:28:21 <ttuttle> ericz: It's potentially cooler than the iPhone, and far cheaper.
Jun 30 16:28:42 <ericz> maybe woot will do the iphone tomorrow
Jun 30 16:28:46 <ericz> :P
Jun 30 16:28:49 <ttuttle> ericz: Yeah, I bet. </sarcasm>
Jun 30 16:29:06 <lardman> I see Jazelle is covered by a US patent: http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/7089539-fulltext.html
Jun 30 16:29:17 <ttuttle> lardman: /me bitches about that.  Jazelle's cool though.
Jun 30 16:29:36 <lardman> Unfortunately, I can only find one of the figures for the patent, is this usual for the online sites?
Jun 30 16:30:01 <ttuttle> lardman: google.com/patents FTW.
Jun 30 16:30:25 <ericz> too anxious to use bathroom, must.. guard.. door
Jun 30 16:30:49 <lardman> Associated with Jazelle, is it possible to alter the exception vector for illegal instruction (i.e. alter memory at 0x04 or 0xfff0004) from a user program?
Jun 30 16:30:57 <lardman> ttuttle: I'll have a look there
Jun 30 16:31:46 <suihkulokki> ooh, public documentation on how jazelle works :)
Jun 30 16:31:59 <lardman> http://www.google.com/patents?id=iMt6AAAAEBAJ&dq=7089539
Jun 30 16:32:02 <lardman> nice :)
Jun 30 16:32:03 <ttuttle> ericz: Please... don't pee yourself before the FedEx guy shows up, it's not nice.
Jun 30 16:32:12 <ttuttle> ericz: Use a bottle if you have to :-b
Jun 30 16:32:55 <ericz> he'd sure have a story to tell if i came to the door soaked
Jun 30 16:33:10 <ericz> or was dancing around while trying to sign my name
Jun 30 16:33:15 <ttuttle> ericz: lol
Jun 30 16:34:16 <ericz> AAHH fedex has no idea what they're doing to me
Jun 30 16:34:27 <Dr_Nunim> Fedex guy had a story to tell when he helped me unload around 80 boxes from his truck lol.
Jun 30 16:34:55 <ericz> by the time i get it, ill have lost tons of brain function and have no knowledge of linux [much less hand eye coordination] left
Jun 30 16:35:05 <Dr_Nunim> lol
Jun 30 16:35:58 <Dr_Nunim> I like using my office depot brand mechanical pencil as a stylus better then the built in one.
Jun 30 16:36:04 <Dr_Nunim> or provided rather
Jun 30 16:36:17 <ericz> i always thought a golf tee would be a perfect stylus
Jun 30 16:36:29 <ttuttle> ericz: lol
Jun 30 16:36:33 <ericz> maybe file the end down a bit though, so it's not too sharp
Jun 30 16:36:41 <Dr_Nunim> They're not comfortable to hold.
Jun 30 16:36:43 <Dr_Nunim> To skinny.
Jun 30 16:36:49 <ericz> but you could stand it up on your desk from the top
Jun 30 16:36:50 <lardman> Anyone know how/whether gdb is able to trap exceptions?
Jun 30 16:38:28 <ericz> i'm definently going to be all jittery and look like i've just injected caffeine when i answer the door
Jun 30 16:38:46 <ericz> :( if only it would come!!
Jun 30 16:39:30 <ttuttle> ericz: lol
Jun 30 16:39:34 <ttuttle> ericz: Did you hear something?!
Jun 30 16:39:41 <ttuttle> lol
Jun 30 16:40:00 <ericz> i need motion detectors or something at the end of the street
Jun 30 16:40:08 <Dr_Nunim> I find 2007 to be a little faster then 2006 as well as have a little more refined interface.
Jun 30 16:40:11 <ericz> when is woot going to sell motion detectors
Jun 30 16:40:34 * zuh wishes this was some fancy IM group chat that would allow broadcasting sounds
Jun 30 16:40:40 <zuh> *ding-dong*
Jun 30 16:40:44 <Dr_Nunim> lol
Jun 30 16:40:47 <ericz> haha
Jun 30 16:40:52 <ttuttle> ericz: Yeah.
Jun 30 16:40:55 <ttuttle> zuh: lol
Jun 30 16:40:56 <Dr_Nunim> What if they just leave it and don't ring the doorbell?
Jun 30 16:41:02 <ericz> ill hear.
Jun 30 16:41:22 <Dr_Nunim> They've done that to me before.
Jun 30 16:41:26 <ericz> they're trucks aren't exactly silent
Jun 30 16:41:31 <ericz> their*
Jun 30 16:41:35 <Dr_Nunim> yeah but I'll have tv on or such.
Jun 30 16:42:35 <zuh> Delivery people are usually keen to have the delivery signed off so they can say "look here, it *was* delivered"
Jun 30 16:42:40 <ericz> ttuttle, did yours come charged?
Jun 30 16:42:45 <ttuttle> Dr_Nunim: They do that all the time.  One time they rang it and two seconds later I opened the door.
Jun 30 16:42:53 <Dr_Nunim> Yeah they love to ring and run.
Jun 30 16:42:56 <ttuttle> ericz: About half.  It turned on, but I plugged it in a little while later anyway.
Jun 30 16:42:58 <Dr_Nunim> It comes with a little charge.
Jun 30 16:42:59 <ttuttle> Dr_Nunim: Losers.
Jun 30 16:43:02 <Dr_Nunim> Since it's lithium ion.
Jun 30 16:43:09 <Dr_Nunim> but it recharges fairly fast.
Jun 30 16:43:23 <ericz> UPS here, they ring, and by the time i get to the door, i see the back end of the truck heading down the street
Jun 30 16:43:33 <ttuttle> ericz: Yeah.
Jun 30 16:44:22 <Dr_Nunim> I like UPS better.
Jun 30 16:44:27 <Dr_Nunim> but the worst is DHL by far.
Jun 30 16:44:41 <ttuttle> Dr_Nunim: Yeah, they're lame.
Jun 30 16:44:43 <Dr_Nunim> I had an international certified packaged that required a signature.
Jun 30 16:44:47 <ttuttle> Dr_Nunim: I don't think I've ever used them.
Jun 30 16:45:15 <Dr_Nunim> They clearly lost the package, then tried to tell me they left it in my mailbox(which is a felony) and then tried to trick my roomate into signing that she recieved it.
Jun 30 16:45:30 <Dr_Nunim> Then they wouldn't refund the full amount of my item and it was a huge hassle.
Jun 30 16:46:23 <ericz> fedex trucks need gps so i can track *actual* where-a-bouts of my package!
Jun 30 16:46:29 <ttuttle> ericz: YES!
Jun 30 16:46:35 <ericz> i want to go chase it down when it enters the neighborhood
Jun 30 16:46:36 <ttuttle> ericz: With a second-by-second countdown.
Jun 30 16:46:45 <ttuttle> ericz: lol
Jun 30 16:46:49 <ttuttle> ericz: They won't give it to you.
Jun 30 16:47:01 <KaylaKaze> this pdf viewer isn't too bad for files that are mostly text with a few 2 color pictures
Jun 30 16:47:07 <Dr_Nunim> I saw a DHL guy go into a blockbuster once, he forgot the package in the truck because he was too busy on his cellphone.
Jun 30 16:47:10 <ericz> equivalent to black box in a plane, gas mileage, how much gas left, average speed, odometer reading, background check/history of driver.
Jun 30 16:47:28 <ericz> i want my package safe :P
Jun 30 16:48:17 <ericz> online live webcam of what's going down in both the back and front of truck..
Jun 30 16:52:43 <ttuttle> Anyone here use Canola?
Jun 30 16:53:00 <ttuttle> I'm looking for a good replacement for the stock Video Player.
Jun 30 16:53:08 <ericz> i really need something to do to get mind off of fedex's slowness :/
Jun 30 16:53:08 <Dr_Nunim> ericz, pay for the rollout costs.
Jun 30 16:53:14 <Dr_Nunim> Play a game?
Jun 30 16:53:21 <Dr_Nunim> Collect your needed materials?
Jun 30 16:53:28 <Dr_Nunim> More research?
Jun 30 16:53:52 <ericz> sit on the steps and wait?
Jun 30 16:54:08 <Dr_Nunim> Get a yoyo?
Jun 30 16:54:16 <ericz> i have a broken one
Jun 30 16:54:24 <Dr_Nunim> Mend it.
Jun 30 16:54:29 <ttuttle> ericz: Carve one out of your own despair?
Jun 30 16:54:39 <ericz> heh
Jun 30 16:54:50 <ttuttle> ericz: Howl at the moon?
Jun 30 16:54:56 <ericz> it's not out :(
Jun 30 16:54:57 <Dr_Nunim> Well I'm going out for a bit.
Jun 30 16:55:05 <Dr_Nunim> I think I'll take my 770 with me for wireless access
Jun 30 16:55:08 <Dr_Nunim> mmm wireless
Jun 30 16:55:13 <ttuttle> Dr_Nunim: Awesome!
Jun 30 16:55:19 <ericz> rub it in my face more, please
Jun 30 16:55:21 <ttuttle> Dr_Nunim: (Don't be mean to ericz.)
Jun 30 16:55:23 <Dr_Nunim> It's hard :p
Jun 30 16:55:32 <ericz> haha
Jun 30 16:55:37 * ttuttle takes his 770 and wipes it on ericz's face, not before putting the cover on to protect the screen.
Jun 30 16:55:38 * Dr_Nunim drives by ericz house and pirates his wifi.
Jun 30 16:55:53 <ttuttle> Dr_Nunim: lol
Jun 30 16:55:57 <ericz> kk, ill tell you wpa when you come by
Jun 30 16:56:02 <Dr_Nunim> Like when I got my Wii some guy drove by with a ps3 and a wii on his roof.
Jun 30 16:56:07 <Dr_Nunim> WPA? :(
Jun 30 16:56:12 <Dr_Nunim> Get some wep please.
Jun 30 16:56:14 <ttuttle> ericz: You could paint a wardriving hobo sign on your house.
Jun 30 16:56:31 <ttuttle> WPA is for crazy people and businesses.
Jun 30 16:56:46 <ericz> im on the path to craziness
Jun 30 16:56:49 <ericz> so it's appropriate
Jun 30 16:56:50 <Dr_Nunim> I can't use WPA
Jun 30 16:56:54 <ttuttle> ericz: ok
Jun 30 16:57:14 <Dr_Nunim> WEP, macfiltering, no dhcp and ssid broadcast off is the best I can do.
Jun 30 16:57:28 <Dr_Nunim> Silly NDS
Jun 30 16:57:32 <ericz> i already have my router's admin page open so i can add my 770 to the mac filter and static dhcp page
Jun 30 16:58:00 <ericz> has been open since the thing's been on the truck
Jun 30 17:07:45 <KaylaKaze> grrr... I cna't get php on maemo to write to files
Jun 30 17:08:19 <ttuttle> ericz: lol
Jun 30 17:08:42 <ericz> watch it be destroyed from the probably 100 degree temperatures in the truck :P
Jun 30 17:11:24 <ttuttle> ericz: Nah, it won't be.
Jun 30 17:11:47 <ericz> fell out of truck/got ran over
Jun 30 17:11:53 <ericz> </pessimism>
Jun 30 17:13:03 <KaylaKaze> it says the folder is writable... so why not the file!?
Jun 30 17:16:24 <ericz> reading wikipedia is really helping me relax, but everytime i look at the clock i get all tense and anxious
Jun 30 17:17:18 <KaylaKaze> ah! got it!
Jun 30 17:17:37 <KaylaKaze> now to figure out how to get nginx to use php...
Jun 30 17:26:54 <ttuttle> ericz: Oh, calm down.  It'll get there.
Jun 30 17:27:05 <ericz> eventually
Jun 30 17:27:12 <ttuttle> ericz: My brother's got there earlier than FedEx said.  It said Monday, but this morning it said it was out for delivery.
Jun 30 17:27:12 <ericz> but i wanted it a week ago :P
Jun 30 17:29:07 <ericz> mine says tuesday,but it's been out for delivery over 6 hours
Jun 30 17:33:19 <KaylaKaze> row I need to figure out how to get nginx/php to run as root so I can do file access..
Jun 30 17:43:01 <ericz> got it.
Jun 30 17:43:03 <ericz> finally.
Jun 30 17:43:50 <KaylaKaze> ho do I assign permissions for a certain user?
Jun 30 17:45:26 <ericz> screen does look pretty crazy
Jun 30 17:46:35 <ttuttle> ericz: YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jun 30 17:46:44 <ericz> boy, does woot know how to advertise
Jun 30 17:46:47 <ericz> right on the side of the box
Jun 30 17:46:50 <ttuttle> ericz: Yeah. lol
Jun 30 17:47:09 <ericz> mine looks pixelated
Jun 30 17:47:16 <ericz> like i see tons of rainbow-ish dots
Jun 30 17:47:19 <ttuttle> ericz: Yeah, they're sorta sparkly.
Jun 30 17:47:23 <ttuttle> ericz: That's normal.
Jun 30 17:47:45 <ttuttle> ericz: (Sorry. :-b)
Jun 30 17:48:43 <ericz> the keys arent really identified
Jun 30 17:49:48 <ericz> time to type wpa key
Jun 30 17:50:40 <ttuttle> ericz: You can flood ping it and the audio only skips occasionally.
Jun 30 17:50:49 <ericz> uh ok
Jun 30 17:51:07 <ericz> holy shit man
Jun 30 17:51:11 <ericz> typing this wpa key
Jun 30 17:51:14 <ericz> is going to take a whil
Jun 30 17:51:18 <ttuttle> ericz: Yeah.  Turn off Caps Lock.
Jun 30 17:51:26 <ericz> i need it for some letters
Jun 30 17:51:33 <ericz> i mean, its alphanumeric, caps/num everything
Jun 30 17:51:37 <ericz> 49 characters
Jun 30 17:51:40 <ttuttle> ericz: Oh.  Well that's dumb.
Jun 30 17:51:41 <ericz> ill be here for hours
Jun 30 17:51:55 <KaylaKaze> can anyone tell me how to make user "www-data" able to have read/write access to all files (including make new ones) in "/var/www-data"? Or should I use "/home/www-data"?
Jun 30 17:53:06 <ericz> does it really have to mask the characters
Jun 30 17:53:09 <ericz> i lose my place.
Jun 30 17:53:20 <ttuttle> ericz: lol
Jun 30 17:53:27 <ttuttle> ericz: Mail it here, I'll enter it for you.
Jun 30 17:53:39 <ericz> heh
Jun 30 17:54:58 <ttuttle> ericz: OH MAN OH MAN OH MAN THIS ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jun 30 17:55:09 <KaylaKaze> ah! there we go. I chowned it to www-data
Jun 30 17:56:39 <ericz> fucking, i typed it wrong
Jun 30 17:56:42 <ericz> this is bullshit~~@!#~!@$~!@
Jun 30 17:56:46 <KaylaKaze> hehehe
Jun 30 17:56:51 <ttuttle> ericz: lol
Jun 30 17:56:56 <KaylaKaze> you'll get used to the onscreen keyboard
Jun 30 17:56:56 <ericz> ugh
Jun 30 17:57:09 <ttuttle> ericz: My brother thought his WiFi is broken until he finally listened to me the tenth time I told him to check the WEP key.
Jun 30 17:57:30 <KaylaKaze> I should turn my WEP back on. I shut it down 'cause I was having trouble connecting
Jun 30 17:57:44 <ericz> im about to kill all encryption
Jun 30 17:57:49 <suihkulokki> ericz: write the wpa key to textfile, and copy-paste it to the password dialog
Jun 30 17:57:52 <KaylaKaze> (turned out I had locked down the router to only allow the 2 devices I already had)
Jun 30 17:58:00 <ericz> k.
Jun 30 17:58:15 <suihkulokki> that's what I use to workaround masking..
Jun 30 17:58:51 <ericz> now it cant FIND my connection
Jun 30 17:59:31 <ttuttle> ericz: lol
Jun 30 17:59:37 <ttuttle> ericz: is your ESSID masked?  (please say no)
Jun 30 17:59:41 <ericz> noo
Jun 30 17:59:47 <ericz> i typed the wpa key right actually
Jun 30 17:59:50 <ericz> i killed mac filtering
Jun 30 17:59:53 <ericz> and its working now
Jun 30 18:00:24 <KaylaKaze> is there an ftp server for maemo?
Jun 30 18:02:15 <ericz> ugh i could murder dd-wrt devs
Jun 30 18:02:17 <ericz> is there a quick/easy way to clear the text field
Jun 30 18:03:31 <ericz> im an idiot, wondering why it wasnt making the click noise anymore, my hands over the speaker
Jun 30 18:03:39 <KaylaKaze> hehehe
Jun 30 18:03:49 <KaylaKaze> you should have been able to feel the click noise then
Jun 30 18:06:29 <ericz> bleh, i cant sit here holding it
Jun 30 18:06:33 <ericz> need to use stands :P
Jun 30 18:07:50 <Dr_Nunim> Yours get here yet?
Jun 30 18:07:57 <ericz> yeah.
Jun 30 18:08:14 <Dr_Nunim> Were you all shaky when they rang the door bell?
Jun 30 18:08:19 <Dr_Nunim> like GIMME MY PRECIOUS!!
Jun 30 18:08:27 <Dr_Nunim> Golloumesqe?
Jun 30 18:08:29 <ericz> the girl didnt notice
Jun 30 18:08:34 <ericz> had ipod on, didnt care
Jun 30 18:08:38 <ericz> didnt even look at me really
Jun 30 18:08:40 <Dr_Nunim> Was she some hot sexy fedex girl?
Jun 30 18:08:43 <ericz> no
Jun 30 18:08:45 <Dr_Nunim> :(
Jun 30 18:08:51 <Dr_Nunim> I never had a female driver.
Jun 30 18:08:58 <Dr_Nunim> I always get this black guy who helps me carry stuff.
Jun 30 18:09:18 <ericz> this was a black girl
Jun 30 18:09:33 <ericz> she had two packages, and im like all confused, only one was for me..
Jun 30 18:09:47 <Dr_Nunim> lies take them both
Jun 30 18:10:05 <ericz> neighbors was other i guess
Jun 30 18:10:22 <Dr_Nunim> Were they both 770s?
Jun 30 18:10:23 <Dr_Nunim> Ah.
Jun 30 18:10:36 <suihkulokki> UPS is better than fedex: http://fistagon.org/~janne/public/UPS_girl.jpg
Jun 30 18:12:12 <ericz> ups driver here is a woman, but she's got to be able to qualify for social security, and has to weigh more than all the packages she's ever carried combined
Jun 30 18:12:18 <trevarthan> Is it possible to use Trac on maemo garage? ViewCVS or whatever it's using now sucks.
Jun 30 18:12:40 <trevarthan> Can I install Trac and use it for my project on garage?
Jun 30 18:13:40 <ttuttle> ericz: lol
Jun 30 18:13:47 <ericz> so how do i get gaim
Jun 30 18:14:46 <Dr_Nunim> I don't think I have had a female ups driver either.
Jun 30 18:14:53 <ericz> im on aim via gizmo, but that's not good enough
Jun 30 18:15:11 <Dr_Nunim> get pidgin
Jun 30 18:15:13 <trevarthan> ericz: use the application manager.
Jun 30 18:15:15 <Dr_Nunim> It's superior!
Jun 30 18:15:41 <Dr_Nunim> I'm writing a list of must have along with install files for them for the new woot 770 owners
Jun 30 18:17:52 <Dr_Nunim> Most people on woot can't seem to comprehend linux it seems.
Jun 30 18:17:56 <Dr_Nunim> or simple directions.
Jun 30 18:18:16 <ericz> i use linux :P but this is.. really new to me
Jun 30 18:20:15 * Dr_Nunim is making the complete morons guide to 770
Jun 30 18:20:23 <Dr_Nunim> and then I'll sell it as a book and make billions!
Jun 30 18:20:24 <Dr_Nunim> muahaha
Jun 30 18:20:53 <Dr_Nunim> http://www.virtual-laser-keyboard.com/ <---- I really want of these but they cost more then the tablet :p
Jun 30 18:21:24 <Dr_Nunim> perhaps theres a hong kong knockoff
Jun 30 18:27:51 <ericz> i suck at tihs
Jun 30 18:27:57 <ericz> how does the stand go on lol
Jun 30 18:35:36 <Dr_Nunim> ...
Jun 30 18:35:45 <Dr_Nunim> Seriously that was the most tricky part imo
Jun 30 18:36:01 <Dr_Nunim> http://mg.pov.lt/nokia770-stand.jpg
Jun 30 18:36:36 <zuh> The 770 stand is really not designed for tapping in the upper corners :)
Jun 30 18:37:39 <Dr_Nunim> it doesn't hold it very well
Jun 30 18:37:44 <Dr_Nunim> at least now with the case on
Jun 30 18:41:07 <KaylaKaze> anyone have experience mounting cifs shares?
Jun 30 18:41:19 <KaylaKaze> I keep getting "bad file descriptor" when I try
Jun 30 18:41:48 <zuh> You can make it more robust by not using them in the crossed setup, but instead putting some cardboard or something in the slots so that it is more rectangular and supports the 770 better
Jun 30 18:47:21 <KaylaKaze> ... apparently, even though I can install Samba, the kernal doesn't support them...
Jun 30 18:47:33 <Dr_Nunim> You need to flash the kernel.
Jun 30 18:48:33 <ericz> so how do i edit repositories to install gaim
Jun 30 18:49:05 <KaylaKaze> I'd rather not. I'd rather get cifs to mount
Jun 30 18:49:06 <Dr_Nunim> Install the ones on the pidgin site.
Jun 30 18:49:24 <Dr_Nunim> You're going to have to flash the kernel anyway if you want faster memory card support.
Jun 30 18:50:35 <ericz> i keeepp ttyppingg likkee tthhiss
Jun 30 18:51:10 <KaylaKaze> I don't even know what I'd flash it with. I've never seen a file for flashing
Jun 30 18:51:22 <KaylaKaze> I've seen the program, but never the rom
Jun 30 18:51:27 <KaylaKaze> or whatever you'd call it
Jun 30 18:51:28 <Dr_Nunim> http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/
Jun 30 18:51:41 <trevarthan> me too. it's a flaw of the screen driver or the kb.
Jun 30 18:52:17 <ericz> i just got a popuo.
Jun 30 18:52:20 <ericz> popup.
Jun 30 18:52:48 <KaylaKaze> that page makes no sense at all
Jun 30 18:52:53 <Dr_Nunim> What do you mean?
Jun 30 18:52:56 <Dr_Nunim> Get the kernel you want
Jun 30 18:52:57 <Dr_Nunim> flash
Jun 30 18:53:07 <KaylaKaze> there are no kernels, just patches
Jun 30 18:53:34 <KaylaKaze> unless they're full kernels patched
Jun 30 18:53:39 <KaylaKaze> in which case they should say so
Jun 30 18:53:39 <ericz> aahhh i want to install gaim :( what do i do
Jun 30 18:54:09 <Dr_Nunim> http://handhelds.org/~fanoush/maemo/modules-2.6.16.27-omap1.tar.gz
Jun 30 18:54:15 <Dr_Nunim> The proper modules.
Jun 30 18:55:03 <KaylaKaze> proper modules for what? speak english
Jun 30 18:55:10 <KaylaKaze> fucking linux
Jun 30 18:55:24 <KaylaKaze> biggest overhyped POS operating system ever made
Jun 30 18:56:09 <Dr_Nunim> overhyped?
Jun 30 18:56:13 <Dr_Nunim> dat would be vista
Jun 30 18:56:19 <ericz> any OS sucks on a tablet :P
Jun 30 18:56:26 <ericz> linux rocks in like.. real life
Jun 30 18:57:25 <trevarthan> you guys suck. maemo is awesome.
Jun 30 18:57:45 <KaylaKaze> there's still no smbfs support in the moduiles you told me to d/l
Jun 30 18:58:46 <KaylaKaze> damn linux error messages don't even give you any info it just says "oh, there's an error. but you'll have to figure out what"
Jun 30 18:59:14 <ericz> haha, linux errors are extremely specific on everyday distributions
Jun 30 19:00:30 <KaylaKaze> mounting cifs keeps saying "nfs mount parameter: username=0". (same when I use user instead). The docs clearly say to do that so why the error?!?!
Jun 30 19:01:07 <Dr_Nunim> Did you install smbfs?
Jun 30 19:01:38 <KaylaKaze> not the kernel whatever stuff
Jun 30 19:02:09 <KaylaKaze> but the kernal's already got cifs
Jun 30 19:02:24 * Dr_Nunim looks into it deeper.
Jun 30 19:02:37 <Dr_Nunim> I just use FTP, too lazy to setup samba :p
Jun 30 19:03:23 <ericz> whys the option for Protocol: in gaim accounts manager
Jun 30 19:03:24 <ericz> empty
Jun 30 19:03:33 <Dr_Nunim> Did you install them?
Jun 30 19:03:34 <Dr_Nunim> :)
Jun 30 19:03:36 <ericz> heh
Jun 30 19:03:38 <ericz> apparently not
Jun 30 19:03:43 <ericz> where do i get those?!
Jun 30 19:03:44 <Dr_Nunim> Why are you using gaim?
Jun 30 19:03:47 <Dr_Nunim> Pidgin is newer!
Jun 30 19:03:52 <ericz> where do i GET pidgin
Jun 30 19:03:57 <Dr_Nunim> I told you, the pidgin site has the distros!
Jun 30 19:04:06 <Dr_Nunim> http://pidgin.garage.maemo.org
Jun 30 19:04:06 <ericz> i want an easy link
Jun 30 19:04:08 <ericz> heh
Jun 30 19:04:08 <KaylaKaze> newer usually means crappier
Jun 30 19:04:11 <Dr_Nunim> If you can't follow that, lord help you.
Jun 30 19:06:37 <ericz> whatever, i got the gaim oscar plugin :p
Jun 30 19:07:26 <KaylaKaze> not a single document on the entire internet about "unknown nfs mount parameter"
Jun 30 19:08:46 <KaylaKaze> oh! here's a good error message "mount: nfsmount failed: Success"
Jun 30 19:10:42 <zuh> KaylaKaze: If you haven't, you'll need to install the real mount. The one originally there is the busybox version (which doesn't support nfs)
Jun 30 19:11:17 <zuh> IIRC it was available from some repo, possibly from repository.maemo.org
Jun 30 19:16:22 <KaylaKaze> well, it acts like it's workign
Jun 30 19:17:59 <KaylaKaze> nor do I see any new mount
Jun 30 19:21:19 <KaylaKaze> well, I've managed to get a new error messatge up : "Resource temporarily unavailable"
Jun 30 19:25:26 <KaylaKaze> and the only info I can find on this error is some jackass saying "I updated with yum and that fixed it"
Jun 30 19:28:08 <Dr_Nunim> yum = bad
Jun 30 19:28:31 <Dr_Nunim> honestly it's easier for me to compile from soruces then to use yum.
Jun 30 19:30:52 <KaylaKaze> what is 10.10.10.10
Jun 30 19:30:53 <KaylaKaze> ?
Jun 30 19:31:36 <Dr_Nunim> a bad ip?
Jun 30 19:32:31 <KaylaKaze> thought it may be some linux ip to soemthing since I've seen it used on a few sites for mount
Jun 30 19:33:53 <mgedmin> it's a random, easy-to-remember IP from the local address range
Jun 30 19:34:26 <KaylaKaze> I tried to connect to my other box's shares and that ones giving me permission denied (which I still think may be better than temporatily unavailable
Jun 30 19:35:47 <Dr_Nunim> simple file sharing on?
Jun 30 19:35:52 <Dr_Nunim> that is the bane of windows filehsaring.
Jun 30 19:37:21 <KaylaKaze> yay! got my auxilary box mounted!
Jun 30 19:37:47 <KaylaKaze> no, I had problems with simple a long while ago
Jun 30 19:38:06 <KaylaKaze> ... file manager crashed while reading directory of the mounted drive  :-(
Jun 30 19:39:11 <Dr_Nunim> did you get smbfs?
Jun 30 19:39:11 <suihkulokki> KaylaKaze: so what was the missing bit to get it working?
Jun 30 19:39:45 <KaylaKaze> well, part of it is for some reason my promary system is reporting as being temporarily unavailable
Jun 30 19:40:08 <KaylaKaze> for my aux system, I just had to check and notice that the username on that system is different to my primary
Jun 30 19:40:15 <KaylaKaze> so I just changed username and it mounted
Jun 30 19:40:47 <KaylaKaze> actually though, I'd also like to mount a 770 directory in windows...
Jun 30 19:48:26 <KaylaKaze> well, I guess if I use a directory on my aux shared on both my primary and nokia, then I guess it's almost as good
Jun 30 19:56:02 <Dr_Nunim> hrm
Jun 30 19:56:04 <Dr_Nunim> mount not found?
Jun 30 19:57:58 <Dr_Nunim> whats your mount command look like kayla?
Jun 30 20:01:26 <KaylaKaze> mount -t cifs //192.168.0.30/network_share /home/user/MyDocs/aux_share -o username=kaylakaze,password=password,dom=HOME
Jun 30 20:02:42 <KaylaKaze> I guess dom isnt' necessary though
Jun 30 20:03:50 <Dr_Nunim> ah yay
Jun 30 20:04:03 <Dr_Nunim> that wiki entry needs more comments on lines
Jun 30 20:05:31 <Dr_Nunim> network is unreachable hrm
Jun 30 20:05:33 <blkhawk> lo
Jun 30 20:05:41 <KaylaKaze> I wonder if I can't connect to 192.168.0.5 because I'm using that system to ssh into the 770
Jun 30 20:06:16 <blkhawk> got a question whats the exact size of the screen that can be used for a gtk app by default on the 770 and 800?
Jun 30 20:06:37 <Dr_Nunim> why wont this damn thing connect
Jun 30 20:06:39 <KaylaKaze> no to update my dnd character sheet php server files to use flat text isntead of mysql so I can use it on my nokia without a net connectiong
Jun 30 20:06:43 <Dr_Nunim> its on the same net :o
Jun 30 20:07:22 <KaylaKaze> blkhawk: there's a doc on maemo about app sizes under different conditions
Jun 30 20:07:39 <blkhawk> ah thanks
Jun 30 20:07:44 <blkhawk> i will try to track that down
Jun 30 20:08:04 <Dr_Nunim> hrm
Jun 30 20:08:12 <Dr_Nunim> failed: Network is unreachable
Jun 30 20:08:40 <ericz> i installed dropbear-client, but it's not in menus
Jun 30 20:08:45 <ericz> how do i use it
Jun 30 20:09:06 <Dr_Nunim> open up xterm
Jun 30 20:09:08 <Dr_Nunim> type ssh
Jun 30 20:09:13 <ericz> ah
Jun 30 20:09:18 <ericz> need to get xterm then :/
Jun 30 20:10:03 <Dr_Nunim> gah
Jun 30 20:10:07 <Dr_Nunim> the network is not unrechable!
Jun 30 20:10:33 <blkhawk> wth are all these open sourse project start with Mo
Jun 30 20:10:39 <blkhawk> Mozilla Mono Maemo Moko
Jun 30 20:10:52 <blkhawk> it gets annoing to keep em apart :P
Jun 30 20:11:40 <suihkulokki> maemo does not start with mo =)
Jun 30 20:11:52 <blkhawk> heh - i knew that was coming
Jun 30 20:12:06 <blkhawk> i just googeled for moko instead of Maemo
Jun 30 20:12:10 <ericz> where do i get xterm?
Jun 30 20:12:43 <suihkulokki> ericz: http://maemo-hackers.org/wiki/OssoXterm
Jun 30 20:13:06 <KaylaKaze> I wonder which would be more efficiant... sotring cell data in a file structure like /user/character/cellname.dat with the cell's data being in the file or using a single file that stores cellname, data pairs
Jun 30 20:13:22 <ericz> oh i already have that repository thing on my 770, haha, i was looking for "xterm", like.. x..  near the bottom of the list
Jun 30 20:13:37 <Dr_Nunim> gah, why does it say unreachable!
Jun 30 20:16:19 <ericz> is there something like telnet?
Jun 30 20:16:24 <ericz> i want to port knock.
Jun 30 20:16:24 <Dr_Nunim> perhaps im going to uninstall xterm
Jun 30 20:16:26 <Dr_Nunim> and reinstall it
Jun 30 20:16:31 <Dr_Nunim> yeah theres telnet and ssh
Jun 30 20:16:32 <KaylaKaze> knock is already ported
Jun 30 20:16:38 <ericz> is it?
Jun 30 20:16:41 <KaylaKaze> yes
Jun 30 20:16:41 <ericz> where can i get it?
Jun 30 20:18:32 <blkhawk> wow - why is there so much crap in the Maemo gtk tutorial
Jun 30 20:21:13 <ericz> so how do i make dropbear server run
Jun 30 20:21:30 <ericz> oh, nvm, i guess it always runs.
Jun 30 20:24:54 <Dr_Nunim> ha suceess!
Jun 30 20:24:59 <Dr_Nunim> Just had to reinstall x-term
Jun 30 20:25:03 <Dr_Nunim> something much have gone glitchy
Jun 30 20:29:08 <ericz> hrm
Jun 30 20:29:15 <ericz> \so what happens if dropbear server
Jun 30 20:29:17 <ericz> stops working, heh
Jun 30 20:32:07 <ttuttle> Oh man, this thing ROCKS!
Jun 30 20:32:30 <ericz> it does.
Jun 30 20:32:50 <ericz> looking for a knock client
Jun 30 20:32:53 <ttuttle> ericz: It's like 90% of a desktop for 10% of the price, running at 50% the speed.
Jun 30 20:32:58 <ericz> lol
Jun 30 20:33:17 <ttuttle> ericz: in other words, a perfect fit for 90% of computer usage.
Jun 30 20:34:02 <ericz> scp'ing "AutoScan" to it :P
Jun 30 20:37:22 <KaylaKaze> oooo! this php has built in sqlite support!
Jun 30 20:37:45 <ericz> what about mysql?
Jun 30 20:37:49 <KaylaKaze> no
Jun 30 20:38:03 <ericz> root is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
Jun 30 20:38:10 <KaylaKaze> but it shouldn't take much to convert my program from mysql to sqlite
Jun 30 20:38:12 <ericz> heh
Jun 30 20:38:22 <ttuttle> ericz: lol
Jun 30 20:38:27 <ericz> odd.
Jun 30 20:38:34 <ericz> i was under the impression root didnt NEED to be :P
Jun 30 20:38:50 <ttuttle> ericz: Why would root sudo anyway?
Jun 30 20:38:55 <ericz> i don't know, habit
Jun 30 20:40:48 <ericz> sweet, that went well
Jun 30 20:40:57 <ericz> installing with dpkg -i from the terminal, i expected horrible results
Jun 30 20:41:12 <ttuttle> lol
Jun 30 20:41:47 <ericz> ill have to add root to the sudoers file
Jun 30 20:43:08 <ericz> i need nano :P
Jun 30 20:43:23 <ericz> oh my, the sudoers file is crowded
Jun 30 20:45:06 <ttuttle_> hey i'm on my n770 in xchat!
Jun 30 20:45:12 <blkhawk> hello
Jun 30 20:45:22 * ericz is getting xchat
Jun 30 20:45:24 <blkhawk> how nice for you ;)
Jun 30 20:45:28 <ericz> gaim IRC sucks
Jun 30 20:47:12 <ttuttle_> ericz, it does
Jun 30 20:47:50 <ericz> my 770 is never going to charge, i keep using it
Jun 30 20:49:14 <Dr_Nunim> charges while you use it
Jun 30 20:50:12 <ericz> why is the browser like not doing anything
Jun 30 20:50:15 <ericz> when i click links sometimes
Jun 30 20:52:03 <jga23> anybody have a mencoder script to convert video for the n800?
Jun 30 20:52:11 <ttuttle_>  How do you enable Bluetooth visibility?
Jun 30 20:53:35 <ttuttle_> Anyone try the handwriting recognition yet?
Jun 30 20:58:49 <Ericz> on my 770
Jun 30 21:00:27 <Dr_Nunim> nuts
Jun 30 21:00:29 <Dr_Nunim> crashed it
Jun 30 21:01:36 <ttuttle_> yo ericz! l wrote this message by hand!
Jun 30 21:01:55 <ttuttle_> lt's not bad.
Jun 30 21:02:14 <ericz> and I d,d Thi S On e
Jun 30 21:02:19 <ericz> eW
Jun 30 21:02:30 <ttuttle_> Sorta annoying, but cool.
Jun 30 21:02:55 <ericz> I have bad9nd wno
Jun 30 21:02:56 <ttuttle_> Congrats, that's greato u
Jun 30 21:02:57 <Dr_Nunim> I can't use that handwriting thing for crap.
Jun 30 21:03:01 <ericz> LOL
Jun 30 21:03:04 <Dr_Nunim> My handwriting is just too bad.
Jun 30 21:03:21 <ttuttle_> Thisisfun .
Jun 30 21:03:28 <ericz> hahqh9
Jun 30 21:03:40 <ericz> i S4cl aT hig
Jun 30 21:03:42 <ttuttle_> Wheeeeee!
Jun 30 21:04:56 * ttuttle_ likes the finger keyboard.
Jun 30 21:05:28 <ericz> same
Jun 30 21:05:38 <ericz> it  thinks myster
Jun 30 21:05:52 <ericz> my a's are q's
Jun 30 21:08:19 <ttuttle> ericz: Ah.
Jun 30 21:08:30 <ttuttle> ericz: You need to space things out widely.
Jun 30 21:08:35 <ttuttle> ericz: Otherwise it runs words together.
Jun 30 21:08:44 <Dr_Nunim> Ah praise the lord of ftp
Jun 30 21:08:55 <ttuttle> Dr_Nunim: lol
Jun 30 21:09:28 <Dr_Nunim> Makes my life so much easier
Jun 30 21:09:33 <Dr_Nunim> Memory cards bah!
Jun 30 21:09:50 <ericz> ya, it hates me
Jun 30 21:10:10 <sorbix> anyone know the best way to clean the 770 screen?
Jun 30 21:10:18 <sorbix> im assuming not windex
Jun 30 21:10:20 <sorbix> :)
Jun 30 21:10:38 <Dr_Nunim> I used windex lol
Jun 30 21:10:42 <sorbix> haha
Jun 30 21:10:43 <Dr_Nunim> Sprayed it on the paper towel
Jun 30 21:10:46 <Dr_Nunim> Not on the screen
Jun 30 21:10:54 <Dr_Nunim> If it ate away some chemical coating, oh well.
Jun 30 21:10:58 <Dr_Nunim> Screen protectors arrive monday.
Jun 30 21:11:11 <sorbix> whered you buy them?
Jun 30 21:11:14 <blkhawk> you have to be careful - some stuff is really hard on anti glare
Jun 30 21:11:27 <Dr_Nunim> ebay
Jun 30 21:11:38 <Dr_Nunim> this is an anti-glare screen?
Jun 30 21:11:41 <Dr_Nunim> take it outside and tell me that :p
Jun 30 21:11:59 <ttuttle> Dr_Nunim: I've used that on my old laptop.
Jun 30 21:12:01 <ericz> One mOre try
Jun 30 21:12:23 <ericz> caPS sUcKS
Jun 30 21:12:35 <ttuttle> ericz: lol
Jun 30 21:12:35 <sorbix> wait you can use anti glare screens on a touchpad?
Jun 30 21:12:39 <ttuttle> ericz: That's not bad, you'll get used to it.
Jun 30 21:12:46 <ttuttle> sorbix: Um, huh?
Jun 30 21:12:53 <ttuttle> sorbix: Yeah, if your touchpad has a screen.  (A few do.)
Jun 30 21:13:00 <sorbix> i thought it might mess with its sensitivity or something
Jun 30 21:13:07 <ericz> t c9nt 3ee acolon
Jun 30 21:13:19 <ericz> bah
Jun 30 21:13:21 <ttuttle> sorbix: Nah, the surface itself is just a smooth plastic layer.  The electronics are beneath it.
Jun 30 21:13:38 <sorbix> haha ericz
Jun 30 21:13:42 <ttuttle> sorbix: Until yo dry it off, though, it *will* screw with it.  And occasionally it'll get really confused by the "sensations" it gets while it's wet, and you'll need to reboot.
Jun 30 21:13:45 <ttuttle> sorbix: Shut up :-b
Jun 30 21:13:57 <sorbix> oh ok
Jun 30 21:14:01 <sorbix> i can just do it when its off
Jun 30 21:14:03 <ericz> keyboard ftw
Jun 30 21:14:18 <ttuttle> ericz: Yeah.
Jun 30 21:14:26 <ericz> ;/
Jun 30 21:14:48 <ericz> stylus != pencil
Jun 30 21:15:06 <ttuttle> ericz: lol
Jun 30 21:15:09 <ttuttle> ericz: Don't scratch it.
Jun 30 21:15:18 <sorbix> does anyone have a  recommendation for maps for the 770?
Jun 30 21:15:21 <sorbix> tomtom?
Jun 30 21:15:31 <ericz> heh
Jun 30 21:18:02 <ttuttle> Can the N770 use 2GB cards out of the box?
Jun 30 21:18:15 <sorbix> i dont think so
Jun 30 21:18:20 <ttuttle> 1GB?
Jun 30 21:18:23 <Dr_Nunim> I thought they could with the newest OS
Jun 30 21:18:26 <Dr_Nunim> yeah 1gb for sure
Jun 30 21:18:36 <ttuttle> ok
Jun 30 21:18:39 <ttuttle> bye gotta go
Jun 30 21:24:34 <jga23> is there a .bashrc file for the n800?
Jun 30 21:29:20 <Sho_> jga23: Busybox' shell is called "ash", so look around for the docs to that and what files it looks at during startup
Jun 30 21:38:58 <Dr_Nunim> Total Google searches: 17736
Jun 30 21:39:20 <KaylaKaze> my db has successfully been copied over to sqlite. yay.. though I probably could have done it easier by writing a syncronization script, especially since I'll have to do that anyway...
Jun 30 21:39:42 <Dr_Nunim> That's a decent amount.
Jun 30 21:40:55 <ericz> ugh, my 770 takes forever to find network  and connect
Jun 30 21:41:33 <ericz> i get 3 or 4 network errors before it finally connects
Jun 30 21:46:45 <KaylaKaze> oh this sucks... sqlite is version 3 but the php is version 2
Jun 30 21:48:28 <KaylaKaze> oh well, doersn't matte. I can just make php create the db
Jun 30 21:51:52 <ericz> man, too low of memory to run browser, gaim, and xchat ;/
Jun 30 21:58:20 <Dr_Nunim> did you add swap?
Jun 30 22:03:30 <konttori> ericz: HAve you enabled swap?
Jun 30 22:21:39 <KaylaKaze> if you're writing a text file in lniux and want a new line, what's the char sequence (like it's \n in windows but that's not working on linux)
Jun 30 22:27:43 <Dr_Nunim> http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/bags/918a/
Jun 30 22:28:02 <Dr_Nunim> Of course then I'd need a suit...
Jun 30 22:28:45 <KaylaKaze> I made php on 770 write a file of "test\ntest\ntest\n" and that's how the file came out. I did the same in php in windows and it wrote the \n as line breaks (as, I think, it should have)
Jun 30 23:04:17 <ericz> gaim sure does give crazy online times
Jun 30 23:18:18 <KaylaKaze> sweet. I wrote a php script on the 770 to call a php script on my pc and get it to dump the contents of my db so my script on the 770 can reconstruct the db.
Jun 30 23:21:49 <ericz> neat
Jun 30 23:25:22 <ericz> i think i love maemo/n770
Jun 30 23:51:45 <KaylaKaze> is 103K too big for a web page? :-P
Jun 30 23:52:46 <ericm> so how well's the 770 play mp3s?
Jun 30 23:53:36 <Dr_Nunim> Why would 103k be too big?
Jun 30 23:53:37 <Dr_Nunim> :o
Jun 30 23:53:43 <Dr_Nunim> 103k is tiny.
Jun 30 23:57:11 <ericz> hm mp3 playback isnt too bad.
Jun 30 23:57:41 <ericz> id still go for my ipod first, though
Jul 01 00:00:37 <ericm> woooah
Jul 01 00:00:44 <ericm> audios nice right up until you start doing something
Jul 01 00:03:41 <yzf600> hello all
Jul 01 00:03:58 <yzf600> I just picked up a 770 from the woot deal Monday.
Jul 01 00:04:13 <yzf600> I'm pretty impressed
Jul 01 00:04:29 <ericz> so did/am i :)
Jul 01 00:04:33 <yzf600> I'm intersted in an nx client port
Jul 01 00:04:55 <yzf600> I saw a few people talking about it in Feb, but no action since then
Jul 01 00:05:07 <yzf600> Does anyone know any more status on it?
Jul 01 00:10:14 <sorbix> ugh i cant remember how to reorganize the app menu
Jul 01 00:10:21 <sorbix> im going crazy trying to remember
Jul 01 00:11:07 <Niacin> anyone get dun workin on the 770?
Jul 01 00:13:53 <trevarthan> Why is the xmame version so old?
Jul 01 00:14:16 <trevarthan> xmame is up to like 0.106 or 0.107 now. Why do we only have 0.58?
Jul 01 00:34:16 <KaylaKaze> I just had to reboot :-( my web server was giving me 404's when trying to access web pages that were just working and ssh was saying "Server refused to allocate pty"
Jul 01 00:35:05 <sorbix> why would someone run a webserver on the tablets
Jul 01 00:36:30 <KaylaKaze> I'm running it so I can use html and php to run programs on the tablet without needing to connect to my server back home
Jul 01 00:36:51 <sorbix> what kinds of programs?
Jul 01 00:37:02 <KaylaKaze> I designed a dynamic character sheet for D&D that stores the data in a database
Jul 01 00:37:14 <KaylaKaze> using AJAX
Jul 01 00:37:22 <sorbix> ooh interesting
Jul 01 00:37:55 <KaylaKaze> I'm trying to get everything all debugged for my game tomorrow so I can use my tablet as my character sheet with autocalculating and whatnot
Jul 01 00:38:28 <sorbix> thats the geekiest thing ive ever heard, but so awesome
Jul 01 00:38:42 <Dr_Nunim> Why not do it in say Excel?
Jul 01 00:39:02 <KaylaKaze> the only problem is it's annoying to subtract hit point's 'cause the tablet's keyboard's minus key is on the symbols page
Jul 01 00:39:18 <Dr_Nunim> Can't you change virtual keyboard map?
Jul 01 00:39:32 <KaylaKaze> I don't know (about the VK map) I haven't tried
Jul 01 00:39:56 <KaylaKaze> as for excel, I could but then it wouldn't run in a web browser.
Jul 01 00:40:48 <Dr_Nunim> Oh  I guess not seems to be hardware only.
Jul 01 00:40:51 <Dr_Nunim> So?
Jul 01 00:41:00 <Dr_Nunim> Get gnumeric or whatever it's called.
Jul 01 00:41:32 <KaylaKaze> Well, I'd considered that but it's not as nifty :-P
Jul 01 00:41:40 <Dr_Nunim> True :)
Jul 01 00:42:08 <KaylaKaze> I'm concerened about that pty error and about the nginx saying 404... that was weird.
Jul 01 00:42:12 <sorbix> no wait i think you can change the layout
Jul 01 00:42:18 <sorbix> i saw something about that somewhere
Jul 01 00:42:44 <KaylaKaze> you can change the layout but it doesn't seem you can customize it
Jul 01 00:43:09 <Dr_Nunim> 2007 has a slightly better layout.
Jul 01 00:44:31 <KaylaKaze> okay. I've got my database transfered over to the 770. Now to moify the code to use sqlite instead of mysql
Jul 01 00:44:49 <trevarthan> maemo has a limited number of ptys. you'll run out quickly.
Jul 01 00:46:07 <KaylaKaze> how do you use them up so I can avoid it? I don't know what a pty is
Jul 01 00:48:12 <KaylaKaze> ... I was running as root and got a "Permission denied"...
Jul 01 00:49:29 <KaylaKaze> is there a way to list a file's contents, like "type" in DOS?
Jul 01 00:49:40 <ericz> ca?
Jul 01 00:49:49 <ericz> cat*
Jul 01 00:52:01 <Dr_Nunim> ls
Jul 01 00:52:04 <Dr_Nunim> ?
Jul 01 00:52:08 <Dr_Nunim> oh
Jul 01 00:52:16 <KaylaKaze> yep
Jul 01 00:52:19 <KaylaKaze> cat is it
Jul 01 00:52:38 <ericz> ;)
Jul 01 00:56:59 <Niacin> anyone ever done bluetooth dun with 770?
Jul 01 01:05:43 <KaylaKaze> dammit. It's not working
Jul 01 01:08:41 <ericz> is there a way to change the orange background on the 770
Jul 01 01:19:30 <Niacin> is there issues with DUN on os 2007 hacker?
Jul 01 01:20:04 <ajcool> hey i have a question about pidgin, i have all the repositories in but which actual files do i need under "instantmessaging" just to run AIM
Jul 01 01:20:05 <ajcool> ?
Jul 01 01:21:17 <Niacin> can you downgrade os 2007 back to 2006?
Jul 01 01:22:12 <ajcool> what is file 'pidgin-l10n pidgin localized
Jul 01 01:24:10 <Dr_Nunim> Niacin: Yes
Jul 01 01:24:23 <Dr_Nunim> Ajcool: Judging by the size I'd say support for all the messaging clients but I'm not sure.
Jul 01 01:24:25 <Dr_Nunim> Install it and see?
Jul 01 01:27:29 <Niacin> Dr_Nunim just flash os2006?
Jul 01 01:28:07 <Dr_Nunim> Yup.
Jul 01 01:31:08 <jpt9> Hey
Jul 01 01:31:28 <jpt9> I just got an n770.
Jul 01 01:31:35 <jpt9> It rocks
Jul 01 01:31:50 <Dr_Nunim> You and 7999 Other people :)
Jul 01 01:31:55 <jpt9> I'm using irc on it right now.
Jul 01 01:33:21 <KaylaKaze> okay... this isn't making any sense
Jul 01 01:33:47 <KaylaKaze> in one php script, the query runs fine. In the other, the exact same query doesn't
Jul 01 01:34:00 <Dr_Nunim> whats the error?
Jul 01 01:34:05 <jpt9> This is so awesome
Jul 01 01:35:18 <KaylaKaze> it's not giving one. It's just returning as FALSE
Jul 01 01:35:42 <KaylaKaze> it's supposed to fill the error variable passed to it when that happens but it's not 'cause that variable is coming out empty
Jul 01 01:37:54 <KaylaKaze> fuck! like 20 minutes trying to find the bug and it turns out it was a typo in my variable name
Jul 01 01:40:49 <ericz> at least you found it without punching holes in closet doors (personal experience)
Jul 01 01:41:13 <Dr_Nunim> Any way to reorganize the contacts tab?
Jul 01 01:44:52 <ericz> 770 needs limewire
Jul 01 01:45:04 <Dr_Nunim> No java.
Jul 01 01:45:15 <KaylaKaze> this is weird... the page is loading fine and sending off the httpxml request fine... but then doesn't do anything
Jul 01 01:45:21 <ericz> aw
Jul 01 01:46:27 <ericz> does frostwire  use java too?
Jul 01 01:46:31 <Dr_Nunim> Yes.
Jul 01 01:47:17 <ericz> there goes my dream of warpiratig ;p
Jul 01 01:47:34 <Dr_Nunim> Torrent & Usenet are still available.
Jul 01 01:48:01 * ericz shrugs
Jul 01 01:48:20 <ericz> i dont even have a 2gb card
Jul 01 01:48:30 <KaylaKaze> oh duh! the xml handling script is in a separate js file
Jul 01 01:48:39 <KaylaKaze> and I forgot to copy it
Jul 01 01:49:23 <Dr_Nunim> So anyone know if I can customize the contacts tab?
Jul 01 01:52:08 <KaylaKaze> works on my desktop... now for the tablet...
Jul 01 01:53:02 <KaylaKaze> GOAL!!!
Jul 01 01:53:17 <Dr_Nunim> And the crowd goes wild, it's a great shot!
Jul 01 01:53:58 <KaylaKaze> no to convert the script for writing back to the DB
Jul 01 01:54:28 <Dr_Nunim> Why not just do it on the server and use real SQL?
Jul 01 01:54:35 <Dr_Nunim> or no wifi where you're going to be playing?
Jul 01 01:54:50 <KaylaKaze> I'm not sure of the wifi status where I'll be
Jul 01 01:55:12 <KaylaKaze> I know there's a wireless router in the shop but I don't know if it's open
Jul 01 01:57:38 <Dr_Nunim> Jesus this blog has done double the traffic I did all last month in just 2 days.
Jul 01 01:57:51 <ericz> why when i go to open menus, it like flashes white and closs?
Jul 01 01:58:01 <Dr_Nunim> Try rebooting.
Jul 01 01:58:27 <ericz> i have, but it always eventually starts again
Jul 01 01:59:53 <ericz> rebooting every 10 minuts could get old
Jul 01 02:01:57 <KaylaKaze> Dr_Nunim: Well, it was 'cause of the Woot deal that manyh of us even found out these things existed
Jul 01 02:02:20 * ericz agrees
Jul 01 02:02:31 <Niacin> damn it so no one has gotten dun working with a bluetooth phone?
Jul 01 02:02:41 <Dr_Nunim> Plenty of people have :o
Jul 01 02:02:59 <Niacin> ;\
Jul 01 02:03:00 <Dr_Nunim> I saw this thing on Wikipedia when I was wiking god knows what and was like, I must own that.
Jul 01 02:03:14 <Dr_Nunim> but I couldn't spend quite that much, but once it was on Woot...
Jul 01 02:03:18 <Dr_Nunim> mmm... bargin..
Jul 01 02:05:33 <KaylaKaze> yep, I wouldn't have spent over $150
Jul 01 02:05:50 <KaylaKaze> Whoa! brainstorm!
Jul 01 02:05:58 <KaylaKaze> I can use VNC for reading!
Jul 01 02:06:12 <KaylaKaze> that way I'm not killing the thing's memory loading a comic book
Jul 01 02:06:24 <ericz> is claws mail any good?
Jul 01 02:08:08 <ericz> nice, i install new software but cant open menu to use it
Jul 01 02:09:23 <Wzrd2> I'm new to Linux and the 770.. how do I install apps on the 770?
Jul 01 02:09:33 <Wzrd2> I'm trying to install the minimo browser
Jul 01 02:11:05 <Wzrd2> I also want to install flash 9 for the browser once I can get it installed
Jul 01 02:11:12 <Dr_Nunim> Flash 9 = nopers
Jul 01 02:11:15 <Dr_Nunim> Minimo = no probs
Jul 01 02:11:26 <Wzrd2> flash 9 doesn't work?
Jul 01 02:11:40 <Dr_Nunim> Nope.
Jul 01 02:11:43 <Dr_Nunim> No SDK for it even.
Jul 01 02:11:55 <Wzrd2> bummer cuz it says it's for firefox/mozilla on linux
Jul 01 02:12:36 <Wzrd2> oh.. duh I just realized it's for x86
Jul 01 02:13:12 <Wzrd2> we cant upgrade flash on the opera browser either, right?
Jul 01 02:13:50 <Dr_Nunim> Nope.
Jul 01 02:13:58 <Wzrd2> cuz 6 sux
Jul 01 02:14:47 <Wzrd2> there isn't any other higher version of flash avaliable for the 770, right?
Jul 01 02:15:20 <Dr_Nunim> Nope.
Jul 01 02:15:30 <Wzrd2> how do I install apps on the 770?
Jul 01 02:15:30 <Dr_Nunim> I can help you install Minimo though.
Jul 01 02:15:35 <Dr_Nunim> Application Manager
Jul 01 02:15:46 <Wzrd2> I tried but it gives me an error
Jul 01 02:15:59 <Wzrd2> I downloaded all the libraries and the minimo files
Jul 01 02:16:22 <Wzrd2> tried installing from the memory card and also tried installing by copying to the internal memory
Jul 01 02:17:04 <Wzrd2> it says "can't install..missing files even though they are there" the missing files point to the libraries
Jul 01 02:22:14 <KaylaKaze> hmmm underestimated how long it take to send the screen data over the net...
Jul 01 02:22:28 <Dr_Nunim> lol
Jul 01 02:24:58 <Dr_Nunim> Wzrd2: the easiet way would be to add the correct repositories and let application manager do the work.
Jul 01 02:25:12 <Dr_Nunim> add the one minimo says to add
Jul 01 02:25:17 <Dr_Nunim> as well as Web address - http://repository.maemo.org
Jul 01 02:25:17 <Dr_Nunim> Distribution - herring
Jul 01 02:25:17 <Dr_Nunim> Components - main
Jul 01 02:25:30 <Dr_Nunim> That'll satisfy the required dependencies.
Jul 01 02:35:54 <Niacin> dude this is trying me crazy
Jul 01 02:36:06 <Niacin> when i try to pair it says "no services"
Jul 01 02:36:11 <Niacin> but it works fine in windows
Jul 01 02:50:33 <ttuttle> If I flash 2007 hacker on my n770, can I reinstall 2006 later if I change my mind?
Jul 01 02:50:47 <Dr_Nunim> Yes.
Jul 01 02:50:58 <ttuttle> Dr_Nunim: The normal way?
Jul 01 02:51:09 <Dr_Nunim> You use the same flasher.
Jul 01 02:51:12 <ttuttle> Dr_Nunim: Cool.
Jul 01 02:51:20 <ttuttle> Dr_Nunim: Is there anything cool or new in hacker?
Jul 01 02:51:30 <Dr_Nunim> Eh, some minor interface improvements and such.
Jul 01 02:51:33 <Dr_Nunim> It seems a little faster.
Jul 01 02:51:39 <ttuttle> Dr_Nunim: Cool.  Does sound work?
Jul 01 02:51:52 <Dr_Nunim> The clicking noise did, I didn't try and play media.
Jul 01 02:51:54 <ttuttle> Dr_Nunim: (I heard it didn't.)
Jul 01 02:52:09 <ttuttle> Dr_Nunim: (You don't have it right now?)
Jul 01 02:52:15 <Dr_Nunim> Nope.
Jul 01 02:52:19 <Dr_Nunim> I went back to 2006.
Jul 01 02:52:33 <Dr_Nunim> Was having issues with my applications in 2007.
Jul 01 02:52:38 <ttuttle> Ah.
Jul 01 02:55:03 * ttuttle is flashing.
Jul 01 02:58:19 <ttuttle> Flashed.  Rebooting, I hope.
Jul 01 02:58:27 <ttuttle> Progress bar is moving.
Jul 01 02:58:31 <ttuttle> Faster.
Jul 01 02:58:40 <ttuttle> Oh, it just lies.  Never mind.
Jul 01 02:58:50 <Dr_Nunim> Only took me around 3 minutes.
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