**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jul 01 02:59:56 2007 Jul 01 03:01:35 So, anyone know how to customize the contacts area? Jul 01 03:06:49 mine's being weird, i guess its just memory Jul 01 03:06:55 like, menus flash white and close Jul 01 03:07:00 and i have to reboot Jul 01 03:08:02 there's something kinda nice about carrying your own http server around with you Jul 01 03:08:44 KaylaKaze: hehe Jul 01 03:11:52 Whoa, Hacker 2007 ROCKS! Jul 01 03:12:05 It's faster, has a few more features, and (most importantly) is *much* prettier. Jul 01 03:12:46 (And it's so cuuute, it thinks it's an N800!) Jul 01 03:19:48 man this is shitting me ;\ Jul 01 03:20:06 can you elaborate on the install process, nunim? Jul 01 03:20:37 I downloaded all the files inclucding the libries needed and put them in the same directory Jul 01 03:21:20 double clicked on minimo and it asked if I wanted to install. then it erroed saying I was missing the libraries even though they are in the same directory Jul 01 03:21:48 where does the 770 keeps its logs? Jul 01 03:22:59 stupid user manual on maemo page gets a 404 error Jul 01 03:24:18 Wzrd2, just use the repositories it's much easier. Jul 01 03:26:35 please explain how to do that i'm not familar with linux Jul 01 03:27:01 http://dragon-gaming.com/blog/?p=5 Jul 01 03:27:10 Hacker OS rocks! Jul 01 03:27:18 sorry to be stupid. With a pc i'm an expert but I just got my 770 today and am not familiar with linux Jul 01 03:27:39 but instead of the ones listed use Jul 01 03:27:40 web address: http://www.maemo.org.br/minimo/ Jul 01 03:27:40 Distribution: bora Jul 01 03:27:40 Components: user Jul 01 03:27:41 & Jul 01 03:27:50 Web address - http://repository.maemo.org Jul 01 03:27:50 Distribution - herring Jul 01 03:27:50 Components - main Jul 01 03:31:08 and then install minimo? Jul 01 03:31:16 from the list? Jul 01 03:32:14 Yeah Jul 01 03:32:25 Go Install New > All > Scroll Down to minimo and install. Jul 01 03:33:50 thanks.. so from reading his faqs, anything on the app catalog from maemo you add the repository from whatever the app says then install? Jul 01 03:34:13 that would be for installing any app or game on the 770?? Jul 01 03:34:32 Yeah. Jul 01 03:34:34 Pretty much. Jul 01 03:34:40 that's pretty easy then Jul 01 03:35:54 do you always have to gain root access for every install? Jul 01 03:36:13 Nope. Jul 01 03:36:16 You rarely need root. Jul 01 03:36:24 I was just giving you an example how to install a repository. Jul 01 03:36:37 ok so I cAN SKIP THAT STEP Jul 01 03:36:43 oops...stupid caps lock Jul 01 03:37:04 yeah Jul 01 03:37:08 just install the repositorys Jul 01 03:37:12 and go to add application Jul 01 03:37:13 all Jul 01 03:37:16 scroll to minimo Jul 01 03:37:17 double click Jul 01 03:37:22 it'll say somet hings Jul 01 03:37:24 click ok Jul 01 03:37:27 and it'll install Jul 01 03:37:31 Then it'll be in Extras > Minimo Jul 01 03:41:37 cool it worked! thanks.. now we need a later version of flash which works on the 770 Jul 01 03:42:00 yay! DND sheet all working! Jul 01 03:42:50 now to try and install doom :) Jul 01 03:45:50 Doom is easy :) Jul 01 03:46:02 how does it run Jul 01 03:46:06 is it smooth? Jul 01 03:47:26 Smooth enough. Jul 01 03:49:35 so it's a little jerky but not bad? Jul 01 03:50:39 It's doom afterall.. Jul 01 03:56:06 <[spec]> is there a howto to get airodump working on the 770? Jul 01 04:01:06 man playing doom with the stylus sucks so much ass Jul 01 04:05:21 <[spec]> i thought it was kinda cool Jul 01 04:05:31 <[spec]> much better than playing doom on the iPod Jul 01 04:05:50 doom is kinda cool but there's no monsters Jul 01 04:06:43 <[spec]> i only played for about 35 seconds Jul 01 04:06:56 <[spec]> can you load your own wad files? Jul 01 04:07:05 yes Jul 01 04:07:17 <[spec]> cool Jul 01 04:09:40 is the os 2007 hacker edition way better? Jul 01 04:27:32 this is weird. Firefox isn't processing my havascript but it's not throwing any errors either... Jul 01 04:27:47 javascript* Jul 01 04:30:15 and tracked down (hopefully) to a missing ) Jul 01 04:31:43 Well howdy there, strangers! I got a question that perchance has been asked time and time again, but I want to ask it once more. Jul 01 04:32:42 What support/development can the maemo community itself do to have Flash 7,8, or 9 on the tablet build of Linux? I'm interested in forming a development team if it's just the problem of getting the source onto the system. Jul 01 04:35:10 Flash 9 is out of the question. Jul 01 04:35:30 For flash 8, you could try intergrating it with minimo Jul 01 04:36:18 What would the limitation of Flash 9 be? Since Adobe did build it for linux... Jul 01 04:36:27 Actually, Flash 8 doesn't exist for Linux, sorry Jul 01 04:36:32 They leaped from 7 to 9 Jul 01 04:38:57 I was lead to believe they didn't release the SDK for flash 9 yet Jul 01 04:39:07 Thats why linux opera doesn't have it. Jul 01 04:43:07 They released a flash 9 plugin some months ago for linux. Flash 8 never happened for linux. Jul 01 04:43:29 flash 7 is for opera though Jul 01 04:43:37 im pretty sure flash 9 on opera doesnt work for linux? Jul 01 04:44:06 http://my.opera.com/haavard/blog/2007/04/13/wii-browser-out-but-why-flash-7-and-not-8-or-9 Jul 01 04:47:06 UKTube has reduced my desire for Flash 9 a bit. Jul 01 04:47:09 I knew I read that somewhere. Jul 01 04:47:59 GeneralAntilles, why is that? Jul 01 04:48:24 what is the opera on maemo? opera mini? full opera compiled by opera? Jul 01 04:52:02 combination? Jul 01 04:52:35 Seems to be full opera ripped and gutted and totally modified Jul 01 04:53:25 So why doesn't maemo get together a team to use the Flash 7 SDK and make flash 7 worakble? At least at that rate, YouTube and GV will work Jul 01 04:53:49 with operas consent? nokia buy some dev rights or buy a custom opera from opera? Jul 01 04:54:47 reverendnathan, doesnt it already have flash 7? Jul 01 04:54:57 Flash 6 Jul 01 04:55:02 On OS2006 here, though Jul 01 05:04:44 oh right Jul 01 05:05:20 i bought the n800 because i thought the n770 would be nice as a little linux device, but it seemed too underpowered to do what it was supposed to do. webrowsing and multimedia Jul 01 05:10:40 I don't think 770 is underpowered. Jul 01 05:10:44 For heavy flash/ajax maybe. Jul 01 05:13:48 Certainly if I was directly in the market I would have gone with the N800, but as you guys heard, the N770 was $129 on woot so I grabbed it there Jul 01 05:14:10 Pretty damn satisfied, and youtube is really the only stake in the coffin, really Jul 01 05:14:33 reverendnathan, 225$ for the n800 Jul 01 05:15:41 Yeah $130, can't argue. Jul 01 05:15:49 I've spent more on junk. Jul 01 05:15:56 i.e. breadmaker. Jul 01 05:16:14 hey now Jul 01 05:16:23 breadmakers are so worth it Jul 01 05:16:28 No, I made bread one time. Jul 01 05:16:56 I make bread by hand, can't imagine a maker really saving too much time Jul 01 05:16:57 the point of a breadmaker is to allow you to make bread easily Jul 01 05:17:15 Eh, it's a pain to clean. Jul 01 05:17:21 Granted it makes some very good cinnamon buns. Jul 01 05:17:24 but I'm lazy... Jul 01 05:19:06 this d&D character sheet better be able to get me a job. It's pretty damn impressive IMO :-P Jul 01 05:19:17 roffle. Jul 01 05:19:30 it looks almost just like the paper one Jul 01 05:20:11 I still have to add user authentification though Jul 01 05:23:02 hi can someone please answer me a quick question about gaining root Jul 01 05:23:34 i type sudo gainroot after installing the required repositoires, but when i do an ls under the 'root' dir all i see are MyDocs and apps Jul 01 05:23:42 i'm trying to get into my memory card Jul 01 05:24:35 right now i see /home/user # (cursor) Jul 01 05:27:35 i'm trying to do "cd media" it says cannot cd to media Jul 01 05:30:28 cd /media/mmc1/ Jul 01 05:30:52 but when i type "ls" all i see are MyDocs and apps folder Jul 01 05:31:58 i type sudo gainroot, then it says "root shell enabled" Jul 01 05:32:00 comes up to Jul 01 05:32:10 ./home/user # (cursor) Jul 01 05:32:10 [01:29] cd /media/mmc1/ Jul 01 05:32:56 o Jul 01 05:32:58 weird Jul 01 05:33:00 thanks Jul 01 05:33:07 why is that so specific Jul 01 05:33:29 if you just type cd media Jul 01 05:33:34 it relative path Jul 01 05:33:37 so it would go to media Jul 01 05:33:43 typing cd /media/ Jul 01 05:33:48 means go to base then media Jul 01 05:35:08 Common linux goodyness. Jul 01 05:35:59 so specific? werid? thats not specific. thats like telling someone to "to get to my house you drive 20 miles west."....if you dont give them a starting location, they assume it to be wherever they are currently at... Jul 01 05:37:16 eh w/e as long as i get the end result Jul 01 05:37:41 * Dr_Nunim can't believe the number of people not using swap. Jul 01 05:52:33 <`0660> i'm one of them :) Jul 01 05:52:46 <`0660> haven't seen the need for it yet Jul 01 05:54:18 this thing says I have 15 MB of pictures... Jul 01 05:54:41 I'd like to know where 'cause I don't see 'em nor did I put them theer Jul 01 05:55:16 It coems with some. Jul 01 05:55:16 <`0660> sure you didn't :) Jul 01 05:55:23 <`0660> blame the software :) Jul 01 05:55:42 unless it's just counting any picture files, like from games Jul 01 06:00:50 I'd like Nethack much more if it had a better map generator Jul 01 06:01:35 I never played it, anygood? Jul 01 06:02:54 how could you never have played Nethack? Jul 01 06:04:50 nethack? Jul 01 06:05:19 http://www.nethack.org/ Jul 01 06:06:35 the version on the 770 is one of the better I've seen Jul 01 06:10:12 Why does this look like something I don't want to play. Jul 01 06:10:15 * Dr_Nunim holds out for master of magic. Jul 01 06:10:19 Man that would make a great port. Jul 01 06:10:29 ?omg.. Jul 01 06:10:31 omg Jul 01 06:10:37 Wtf. Jul 01 06:10:49 ? Jul 01 06:10:53 KaylaKaze, how fooking 1337 do you have to be to play nethack?! Jul 01 06:11:18 lol, I'd bet it looks more like the windows version Jul 01 06:11:24 not the asci lol Jul 01 06:12:39 im thinking.wow. this is like the uberness of 1337ness. D&D, text based, ascii based, ported to linux on an arm device, played via cli. Jul 01 06:12:48 I'd play it all the time if it's map generator didn't suck Jul 01 06:13:31 the 770 version is graphical Jul 01 06:17:56 <`0660> i wish i was leet Jul 01 06:18:01 wow Jul 01 06:18:08 <`0660> :) Jul 01 06:18:19 <`0660> do you feel the same? Jul 01 06:19:27 * Dr_Nunim plays a mud. Jul 01 11:56:52 good morning Jul 01 12:24:15 hello! some months ago i got my new n800 and defined a code for device lock. now i have locked the device by accident and because i forgot the code and the device didn't ask the code before locking i have a problem now. Jul 01 12:25:05 i can still ssh into the device and become root. but the code and the lock seems to be defined in flash. and the flasher doesnt support setting or disabling device lock. Jul 01 12:25:55 r3tro, afaik you need to take the device to service point if you've lost the code Jul 01 12:26:54 i found way to check a code via dbus, and try to brute-force hack my lock code, but now im at code 1.500.000 but no luck yet. i don't if my script works... Jul 01 12:27:14 this is the dbus command: dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.mce --print-reply /com/nokia/mce/request com.nokia.mce.request.validate_devicelock_code string:'12345' Jul 01 12:28:02 if one of you could do me a favor: lock your device (you should know your code), ssh into it and sumit the command above with your code? so i could verify that my brute-force script has a chance? Jul 01 12:30:38 I don't think Canola likes my shared media... I think I have too much that it can't load the list... Jul 01 12:33:14 r3tro, dbus-names.h in mce-dev package says that it takes it encrypted Jul 01 12:35:53 inz: argh! do you have a link for me to that file? Jul 01 12:36:26 r3tro, not the the file, but to the deb package, yes Jul 01 12:36:40 r3tro, http://repository.maemo.org/pool/bora/free/binary/mce-dev_1.5.6_all.deb Jul 01 12:38:24 inz, thank you. what strange: if i "dbus-monitor --system" as root and enter a code via user interface, dbus-monitor shows only the following event Jul 01 12:38:38 signal sender=org.freedesktop.DBus -> dest=(null destination) interface=org.freedesktop.DBus; member=NameOwnerChanged Jul 01 12:39:04 but no validate_devicelock_code, so it seems that the ui doesnt check the devicelock via dbus.... Jul 01 12:46:19 inz, do you know how the nokia service point handles such a case? do they have a special flasher or what? Jul 01 12:49:18 r3tro, I think you only see signals with monitor Jul 01 12:49:52 r3tro, and no idea what they would do Jul 01 12:52:23 inz, only signals: seems plausible. thank you! Jul 01 12:53:33 r3tro, btw, you can get the device out of locked state by reflashing, the code is not reset however Jul 01 12:58:52 inz, yes i read that :-/ Jul 01 13:05:56 is there a way to reset the GUI? I have a menu popup that won't go away and apparently the system forgot it's there 'cause I click right through it Jul 01 13:08:31 inz, i can now use my device again: i replaced /sbin/devlock-blocker with an empty bash script, and /usr/bin/systemui with a bash script with sleep 10 as the only argument (this seems to be the devcode ui, it gets restartet after termination until the code is deactivated) Jul 01 13:08:51 I've got cifs working now to my desktop shares. yay! Jul 01 13:09:25 inz, but i cant deativate my devlock code because the system dialog requests the old code first. how stupid is that! Jul 01 13:09:46 KaylaKaze: Did you build cifs.ko yourself? I use fanoush's antique module because I'm too lazy to build my own - would be interested in yours if you have a newer one ;) Jul 01 13:10:15 inz, so i have to keep my hack or go to nokia service point (and i think they would send it to nokia, i don't think they can handle this by themselves) Jul 01 13:12:00 no, I didn't build it. I don't know how it got installed Jul 01 13:12:15 I used appman to install some samba stuff so maybe that did it Jul 01 13:12:27 mkay Jul 01 13:12:49 is there a way to make the device scan for wlan on startup and autoconnect if it sees a particular access point? Jul 01 13:13:09 that's what it does here, actually Jul 01 13:14:12 mine might after I start web browser or something (I'm not sure) but it doesn't connect immediately on startup Jul 01 13:15:59 KaylaKaze, mine connects immediately, too. even when it's locked :-) Jul 01 13:16:26 Sho_, but maybe we have installed a package that performs an internet request at startup and triggers the wlan connection? Jul 01 13:16:42 I wonder why mine won't. Plus mine always asks for what connection to connect to Jul 01 13:16:59 dunno Jul 01 13:17:09 I just configured my connection in Control Panel and that was that Jul 01 13:17:22 If it was connected prior to shutdown, it will auto-reconnect after startup Jul 01 13:18:43 weird... Canola won't load files from my mounted cifs folder. I can't open them in Audio Player 'cause it seems the file list is so big that it crashes Jul 01 13:19:31 KaylaKaze: Primarily Maemo's "Open" dialog takes forever on large CIFS mounts because it descends into every directory and counts the number of items and so on and so on, I found Jul 01 13:19:43 KaylaKaze: I play stuff from CIFS via mplayer in XTerm ;) Jul 01 13:20:19 I don't like using xterm on the tablet 'cause typing sucks Jul 01 13:20:49 I think I got Canola working on it now Jul 01 13:21:41 KaylaKaze: canola and the built-in mediaplayer support UPNP, might be easier to setup than CIFS Jul 01 13:22:03 Canola won't work with my uPNP 'cause tghere's too much stuff Jul 01 13:30:37 is thee a way in a .sh file to prompt for the use to enter a pw and use that pw in the script as a variable? Jul 01 13:33:11 anyone here actually got bluetooth dun working on the 770? Jul 01 14:05:30 yay! I got canola to work with uPnP streaming! Jul 01 14:05:41 video's choppy but still cool Jul 01 14:22:44 apparently with UPnP, you can't fast forward and rewind :-( Jul 01 14:28:00 mplayer sucks really bad :-( Jul 01 14:28:24 how so? Jul 01 14:29:49 barely works for 1 Jul 01 14:29:58 and plain doesn't for video Jul 01 14:30:15 while playing mp3, I had to use kill to stop it Jul 01 14:30:42 video almost completely locked the system, but it crashed soon after so that freed up the lock Jul 01 14:31:03 the inteface is nonexistant and it uses the default file browser Jul 01 14:31:22 the only program I've seen so far to use a decent file browser is FBReader Jul 01 14:32:47 and WTF is up with these UPnP listing songs by their title? Songs don't go on their discs in alphabetical order! Jul 01 14:38:00 KaylaKaze: hm works fine here Jul 01 14:42:18 KaylaKaze: if the UPnP client doesn't do sorting on its own (which isn't its task normally), the sorting depends on the UPnP MediaServer Jul 01 14:44:28 I figured that was the case. I was referring to the server Jul 01 14:44:35 where do you guys buy your n800's car holder here in Finland ? Jul 01 14:45:15 I think this one kinda sucks 'cause it doesn't give me an option to scan for playlists and auto-import them Jul 01 15:00:01 ! Jul 01 15:00:16 somehow my c:\ got del *.* ! Jul 01 15:06:39 my c:\ got del *.* somehome! :-/ Jul 01 15:07:02 somehow* Jul 01 15:25:49 Irc on 770 is not fun Jul 01 15:34:09 The results of my scan are odd... Jul 01 15:55:24 I have been trying to install Plutohome packages but I cant find libxsb,libxmu among others, any pointers to arepo with them? Jul 01 15:57:24 This is odd. SimpleCenter seems to have made a ton of files in my c:\ when installed, then deleted them. Jul 01 15:57:56 Maybe it nuked my stuff in the process. Jul 01 16:05:48 :-( you can only connect to 1 irc server at a time in xchat Jul 01 16:06:46 KaylaKaze, try again, you can. Jul 01 16:06:50 at least it works here. Jul 01 16:09:13 I've got file scavenger trying to recover my nuked files but normal search didn't find them so exhaustive search is going on... slowly Jul 01 16:10:16 But that may be overkill. I don't think anything important was lost. Just some nice script files :-( Jul 01 16:44:51 I've got a problem. I'm running Hacker 2007 on an N770, and the App Manager forgot about all the apps I installed. Jul 01 16:45:57 How can I fix that? Jul 01 16:47:27 It's all based on apt, right? Jul 01 16:47:46 (Is anyone here?) Jul 01 16:49:30 * Sho_ is here, but doesn't know Jul 01 16:49:43 And I keep getting "Operation failed" when I try to update the application list. Jul 01 16:50:36 ttuttle: That's often due to a repos in the list that went down or is otherwise unreachable, I find Jul 01 16:50:53 Sho_: Would that mess up the local app list too? Jul 01 16:51:05 ttuttle: I don't think so, no Jul 01 16:52:04 Sho_: Yeah, I'm worried that a previous install messed up (perhaps the disk filled up) and blew away the installed apps list. Jul 01 16:52:45 Unfortunately I'm a Gentoo user on the desktop, so I'm not very familar with the on-disk structures of apt/dpkg either Jul 01 16:52:48 Sho_: I'm thinking I might just have to reflash it. Jul 01 16:53:03 Sho_: /me likes Gentoo too. Jul 01 16:53:16 I figured by your hostmask ;) Jul 01 16:53:24 Sho_: ;-) Jul 01 16:53:59 Marcus from Gentoo will hold a Gentoo & KDE talk on our developers conference later today :) Jul 01 16:56:01 * ttuttle is flashing... :-\ Jul 01 16:56:28 I got my N800 two weeks ago with the latest firmware pre-installed, so no flashing experience yet either ;) Jul 01 16:56:42 Sho_: You have an N800? Grr... Jul 01 16:57:06 In my defense, I didn't have an N770 when that was hip Jul 01 16:57:06 ;) Jul 01 16:58:03 Sho_: Grr. Jul 01 16:58:35 Sho_: Yours has a camera. Only dumb, *consumer* gadgets have *cameras*. *Mine* is *31337*-er! ;-) Jul 01 16:59:14 I think calling it a camera is a little inappropriate though Jul 01 16:59:20 I'd go with "pixel coloration device" Jul 01 16:59:25 Sho_: More like a multi-pixel brightness sensor with oclor filters? Jul 01 16:59:28 s/oclor/color/; Jul 01 16:59:28 Based on the image quality ... Jul 01 16:59:31 Sho_: lol Jul 01 16:59:31 yeah that fits it :) Jul 01 16:59:46 Sho_: My phone (Samsung SGH-A707) actually has a nice camera, and I can OBEX push stuff from/to it ;-) Jul 01 17:00:26 I have a crappy Moto Razr V3 that I chose because it didn't cost me anything in a contract extension and because it was nicely thin ;) Jul 01 17:00:40 Bluetoothing to it from the N800 works fine, but the camera isn't much better Jul 01 17:00:48 Sho_: /me has a shiny new "Nokia N800". Jul 01 17:01:03 Sho_: Or at least it thinks so. Jul 01 17:01:16 I should try harder to get my phone and 770 to share files. My phone has a 1GB SD in it Jul 01 17:01:54 As for the N800, I saw http://www.maemo-apps.org/CONTENT/content-pre3/47430-3.jpg and knew I needed to have one ;) Jul 01 17:02:17 that's on 770 too Jul 01 17:02:24 Sho_: what is it? Jul 01 17:02:30 the LCARS theme Jul 01 17:02:51 ttuttle: It's a theme for the OS that is reminiscent of the computer interface graphics on the modern Star Trek TV shows Jul 01 17:03:22 Sho_: Ah. Jul 01 17:03:27 ttuttle: Which is appropriate, because those shows features an assortment of touchscreen handhelds called "padds": http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/PADD Jul 01 17:03:27 I've looked at the files for theme making and there are LOTS of files you'd need to modify Jul 01 17:03:37 Sho_: What is the "internal memory card" on the N800 Jul 01 17:03:38 Of course, the hostname of my N800 is now "padd", too ;) Jul 01 17:03:51 ttuttle: There's a second SD slot under the battery cover Jul 01 17:03:57 That's the "Internal" one Jul 01 17:04:46 Sho_: Ah. Do the N770's have that? Jul 01 17:04:54 When I bought my N800 there was a 128 MB Mini-SD card in a Mini-SD-to-SD adapter in the box, I put that into the internal slot and set up the OS to use it as swap space. The external slots hold a 2 GB higher-end card from SanDisk. Jul 01 17:04:59 ttuttle: dunno Jul 01 17:05:15 ttuttle: The extra memory? no Jul 01 17:13:36 What app catalogues can I trust? Jul 01 17:16:35 Sho_: I was pissed. I tried using a 16 MB swapfile on the stock 64 MB card, and I was playing music off it too. Bad idea, everything skips. Jul 01 17:27:29 hey. how's it going? Jul 01 17:28:00 * jpt9 is running 2007 hacker edition on his 770. Jul 01 17:28:17 it's quite awesome. Jul 01 17:31:12 ttuttle: I network-mount my music collection via CIFS Jul 01 17:32:58 hmm Jul 01 17:33:03 I just got a n770 a few days ago Jul 01 17:33:10 lardman|gone: that thesis didn't include any code, just explanation (too highlevel for us) about what was done.. Jul 01 17:33:23 been doing some reading, but i can't really figure out - why would I want to install OS 2007 hacker edition? Jul 01 17:33:29 that is, what will that give me that OS 2006 doesn't? Jul 01 17:33:58 * Sho_ never used 2006 and thus doesn't know specifically Jul 01 17:34:18 Tu13es: I think it has newer software (desktop, app.mgr) and thus can more easily use stuff made for n800.. Jul 01 17:34:28 hmm Jul 01 17:34:43 worth the trouble to upgrade? Jul 01 17:34:52 Given that it's a major release, I assume pretty much everything has been updated in some fashion Jul 01 17:35:06 It seems like most people in the Maemo community are still on N770, hmhm Jul 01 17:35:11 I can't say about that, since I haven't tried it ever (I have n800). Some people are happy with it Jul 01 17:35:26 gotcha Jul 01 17:35:32 when i flashed my 770 with hacker edition all that kept happining was i was getting random reboots of my 770 so i went back to the it os 2006 and no more reboots Jul 01 17:35:38 my gf is interested in my n770, I might give that to her and pick up an n800 instead Jul 01 17:35:43 Tu13es: if you haven't yet spent too much time on your 2006, flash the 2007 and check it out Jul 01 17:36:23 I wish the N800 wasn't like $230 more than the N770, heh Jul 01 17:36:30 same Jul 01 17:36:48 im going to get an n800 for x-mass i think Jul 01 17:36:54 by then it should be cheaper Jul 01 17:37:23 340€ seemed like a pretty good deal to me Jul 01 17:37:30 anyone know off hand what size wallpapers should be for the 770? Jul 01 17:38:00 640x480 Jul 01 17:38:11 640? Jul 01 17:38:29 yes thats what im using and it give a nice crisp image Jul 01 17:39:04 the reso is 800x480, but the task navigator takes something off it Jul 01 17:39:37 ah Jul 01 17:40:10 it would be cool if there was an opption to auto hide the navigatore and then tap to get it back Jul 01 17:40:54 most apps supports the full screen mode which partly covers that Jul 01 17:41:01 yes Jul 01 17:41:04 thats true Jul 01 17:41:07 ofc, if you want fullscreen home with applets.. Jul 01 17:41:31 but then you can't start anything (expect with the launcher applet) Jul 01 17:41:54 no you would hide the taskpan and then tap to bring it back into view Jul 01 17:42:42 maybe the fullscreen button could do that? Hide tasknav and the home menu. Leave the status bar with its plugins.. Jul 01 17:42:43 let me ask you something Jul 01 17:42:57 i just ordered an 512mb rs-mmc for the 770 Jul 01 17:43:41 if i alocate 256mb of ram to the device would that help with the device not freezing up or rebooting if i decided to put on hack os 2007? Jul 01 17:44:20 because right now im just using the ram that came with it ... i beleive its 64mb Jul 01 17:44:36 Hard to say. Reboots are cause by so many issues. The swap can help if the reboots are caused by memory issues.. Jul 01 17:45:05 what would happen is when i would start hacker edition, and then go to click for the menu it would reboot Jul 01 17:45:16 or sometime opera would crash and cause a reboot Jul 01 17:45:55 i was thinking it was because it needed more ram to run the hacker edition Jul 01 17:46:17 rebooting on menu click sounds odd. Opera can take quite a lot of memory depending on the www-pages, so the swap might help there.. Jul 01 17:46:36 yes Jul 01 17:46:49 i would get random reboots on the menu clicks Jul 01 17:47:00 i would hit for the menu and whamo...a reboot Jul 01 17:47:27 thats why i think it was a matter of not enough ram Jul 01 17:47:30 i get times when my 770, i go to click a menu item, to get to like the secondary menu, and it just flashes white and closes Jul 01 17:47:49 but it's not really running slow, just the menus don't like to show Jul 01 17:48:12 i realy wish they would not have closed the development of the 770 Jul 01 17:48:18 its such a good device Jul 01 17:48:45 even when i do get an n800 ill still utilize the 770 Jul 01 17:49:15 i wish they could at least update the opera and flash just for youtube :) but thats a wet dream of mine that im sure will not be met Jul 01 17:50:18 what format should 770 wallpapers be? Jul 01 17:50:28 png? jpg? Jul 01 17:50:30 png Jul 01 17:50:36 k, thanks Jul 01 17:54:03 ah! "unable to open not enough memory" when i try to change the wallpaper.. Jul 01 17:55:17 when installing IT2007HE on my n770, can I use these directions just with the new OS file? http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_flashlatestnokiaimagewithmacosx/ Jul 01 18:01:53 I don't know a thing about osx, but afaik, the he-edition is normal "firmware" image, so it should be flashable normally.. Jul 01 18:02:01 You're on OSX? Jul 01 18:03:39 word Jul 01 18:03:40 yeah, I am Jul 01 18:04:06 :( Jul 01 18:04:12 ? Jul 01 18:04:23 Macs are evillllllll! Jul 01 18:04:25 but besides that. Jul 01 18:04:30 meh Jul 01 18:04:30 Yeah just use the latest image Jul 01 18:04:33 cool Jul 01 18:04:37 Make sure you're using flasher 2 Jul 01 18:04:51 hm Jul 01 18:04:54 was gonna use the GUI tool Jul 01 18:05:00 bad idea? Jul 01 18:05:30 If theres a GUI tool that should work. Jul 01 18:05:38 * Dr_Nunim doesn't know anything about Mac. Jul 01 18:05:45 I thought it was command line like the linux one. Jul 01 18:06:51 The GUI should work, so I've been told. Jul 01 18:07:12 I've not tried it since I got rid of my Mac, but since I'm told it still works I haven't taken it down Jul 01 18:07:14 the official flasher is a command line tool but someone made a GUI one Jul 01 18:07:21 I generally hate the command line, as it hates me Jul 01 18:07:26 Tu13es: yeah, that'd be me :) Jul 01 18:07:36 ah :P Jul 01 18:08:16 does the n770 boot without the MMC inserted? Jul 01 18:08:20 Yes Jul 01 18:09:02 Hrm, can I add an .sh script for doing my cifs mounting? Jul 01 18:09:20 And if so do I add it like a regular debian boot time script? Jul 01 18:09:47 Can do Jul 01 18:10:20 :) Jul 01 18:12:13 USB mode is turning on the device while holding the Home button, right? Jul 01 18:12:36 Yup. Jul 01 18:12:44 Till the usb symbol appears in top right. Jul 01 18:12:48 hrm Jul 01 18:12:53 that's not working Jul 01 18:12:57 though it worked before.. Jul 01 18:12:58 hrm Jul 01 18:14:17 charger plugged? it doesn't really turn off then Jul 01 18:14:24 nope, unplugged Jul 01 18:16:04 * sp3000 hasn't needed to do the home button dance to flash on N800, not sure if it's maybe necessary on 770 Jul 01 18:16:33 Wasn't hard for me :o Jul 01 18:16:35 ah, worked with another USB port, weird Jul 01 18:16:38 Now where to find USB risers. Jul 01 18:20:22 yey, got 2007 installed Jul 01 18:51:57 Someone name their "must have" apps that will probably run on Hacker 2007. I'm looking for some to install. Jul 01 18:53:24 sound under sdl. Jul 01 18:53:43 ttuttle, im lovin' this thing Jul 01 18:53:55