**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jul 02 02:59:56 2007 Jul 02 03:00:09 12 MB for SMB is BLECH Jul 02 03:00:34 DO you really need all of that? I didn't think you did, just for the client. Jul 02 03:01:02 i dunno - going from memory Jul 02 03:01:24 http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowToAccessWindowsCIFS Jul 02 03:01:25 For mounting, yes. For simple file transfer just use smbclient or Nautilus or Konqueror. Jul 02 03:01:42 nautilus has built-in smb? Jul 02 03:01:56 Are you trying to mount a Windows share? Jul 02 03:01:57 Yes. Jul 02 03:03:11 Yeah, my purposes need real mounting. Thanks milhouse, gonna go read that. Does that work with the smbbrowser? Jul 02 03:03:25 don't know, never used smbbrowser Jul 02 03:04:34 KaylaKaze apparently has, but seems to be idle now. Jul 02 03:04:47 * Xenon3DN pokes KaylaKaze. Jul 02 03:05:08 http://www.ricardis.tudelft.nl/~vincent/fusesmb/ Jul 02 03:12:20 I was trying to make a new stylus... failed. Jul 02 03:12:36 Bummer. Jul 02 03:13:17 So, do you use smbbrowser with the smbclient package or the cifs.ko module, or what? Jul 02 03:13:28 if you mount a share to a directory that has files with it, will those files still be there when it's unmounted? Jul 02 03:13:46 I use the cifs module Jul 02 03:14:10 From the fanoush page? Jul 02 03:14:18 but those provide it and I don't know enough about it to nuke their packages yet keep the cifs access Jul 02 03:14:28 no, smbbrowser and smbclient install it Jul 02 03:14:42 But you need both those packages to get that working, right? Jul 02 03:14:48 I think so Jul 02 03:14:57 I haven't tried just smbbrowser Jul 02 03:15:06 I know just smbclient won't do it Jul 02 03:15:24 I'll go try it. What kind of files have you accessed over SMB? Jul 02 03:15:34 but it's smbbrowser that puts the cifs module in Jul 02 03:15:50 mp3s, pictures, pdfs Jul 02 03:15:54 texts Jul 02 03:16:17 Are you able to play mp3s over smb, or just copy them to local storage? Jul 02 03:16:28 and I used it to work on some web code on my windows pc and I was able to save it to the shared directory and just cp it from there to my var/www directory Jul 02 03:17:06 I can play them but they pause for about half a second every couple of seconds in the default music player Jul 02 03:17:36 Bummer. Have you tried something like mplayer? Jul 02 03:17:38 this Xournal kicks ass. That's why I needed a more comfy stylus Jul 02 03:17:47 yeah, but mplayer killed my system Jul 02 03:17:56 when trying to play video Jul 02 03:18:05 and I don't know how to use it enough to play audio Jul 02 03:18:05 Hmm. Jul 02 03:18:26 the GUI on it is horrid and I couldn't find the command line to play it (mplayer didn't seem to work) Jul 02 03:18:32 I didn't try too hard though Jul 02 03:18:40 I've created a python app for my n800 and I want to create a shortcut to it, where do I place the .desktop file? Jul 02 03:19:07 I'd love to find a way to make the N770 sort of a squeezebox. Jul 02 03:19:10 I installed a UPnP program on my PC to stream stuff but it erased my c:\ directory. It does work well though for streaming. Jul 02 03:19:23 there's a front end for mythtv btw Jul 02 03:19:41 watch tv on your 770 Jul 02 03:21:09 I see the fanoush page refers to two different IT2006 releases. How do I tell which one I have? Jul 02 03:24:59 I can't seem to install smbbrowser because it's complaining that the smbfs package is missing. But that's the package I haven't been able to locate. Jul 02 03:25:21 hehehe the "control panel->memory" is counting my shares as using space so it says I have over 40GB of files on the 770 Jul 02 03:26:20 it's on one of the repositoryies... Jul 02 03:26:41 I only have 3 megs free :-( Jul 02 03:27:18 It's supposed to be on maemo-hackers according to the smbbrowser page: Jul 02 03:27:18 https://garage.maemo.org/forum/forum.php?thread_id=244&forum_id=274 Jul 02 03:27:31 But once you go there I can't find it: Jul 02 03:27:31 http://maemo-hackers.org/ Jul 02 03:27:40 well, get it there then. That's a good repositiory to have in the first place Jul 02 03:28:14 http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories Jul 02 03:29:07 I need to write an image viewer :-( Jul 02 03:29:11 I have maemo-hackers.org/apt mistral main in my Catalog list, but it's not showing me the smbfs package. Am I doing soemthing stupid here? Jul 02 03:29:26 I guess not then. They must not have it Jul 02 03:29:40 That's where you got it? Jul 02 03:30:03 try bgtan.net/etrunko mistral user Jul 02 03:30:09 ... Jul 02 03:30:25 bgran* Jul 02 03:31:03 hmmm.. maybe not there. Jul 02 03:31:18 I'm going through my repository list. I know it's one of the repositories at the top Jul 02 03:31:44 I couldn't connect to that repo at all. Jul 02 03:32:14 I can't imagine why it would be gone from maemo-hackers, everything seem to indicate it's supposed to be hosted there. Jul 02 03:34:34 it is Jul 02 03:34:47 Ok, then I must be doing something stupid. Jul 02 03:34:47 http://maemo-hackers.org/apt/pool/main/s/ Jul 02 03:35:29 do you have "http://maemo-hackers.org/apt mistral main" in your appman? Jul 02 03:35:41 (making sure you had main and not user for components) Jul 02 03:35:57 Yeah, I have exactly that (main). Jul 02 03:36:25 weird. Well, I guess you can just get the debs from there if appman won't show it Jul 02 03:36:32 I can probably fetch that deb with the browser and have application manager open and install it, even though I can't see it in the packages list. Jul 02 03:36:37 Yeah, that. ;) Jul 02 03:36:55 Just wish I had a clue what was wrong so I understood how to do it right in the future. Jul 02 03:37:01 both of these sookuo programs suck Jul 02 03:37:13 Sudoku? Jul 02 03:37:18 yeah Jul 02 03:37:25 I don't know why I spelled it so weird Jul 02 03:37:51 but since it wasn't close, I'm guessing my fingers just missed everything :-) Jul 02 03:38:05 I should see if there's a javascript sudoku Jul 02 03:38:44 here's one... but I don't like it Jul 02 03:39:13 I'm a recovering sudoku fan. I looked over the edge, and stepped back. Jul 02 03:39:36 "Unable to install. Incompatible package" WTF? Jul 02 03:40:10 use dpkg 0i to isntall it then Jul 02 03:40:18 use dpkg -i to isntall it then* Jul 02 03:40:23 but that's weird Jul 02 03:40:40 I'm wondering if it's telling me something I should be listening to. Jul 02 03:40:59 I'm wondering why it's not showing up in your appman Jul 02 03:41:26 So, there's multiple version of the 2006 OS? Could I have an older incompatible version? Jul 02 03:41:34 are you sure you're selecting to show all packages and that hackers is enabled? Jul 02 03:41:41 you could Jul 02 03:41:47 but not likely Jul 02 03:41:58 Let me re-check the repos in the list. Jul 02 03:42:26 ITOS2006: 3.2006.49-2. That mean anything to anyone here? Jul 02 03:42:44 What's the default lock code? Jul 02 03:42:50 that's the current one Jul 02 03:43:27 I don't know what a lock code is or where to find it. Jul 02 03:43:52 sorry, I meant that as an open question to the room Jul 02 03:48:36 Ok, I haven't messed with a shell on this yet. Do I need to install something to get a shell? Jul 02 03:52:38 xterm Jul 02 03:58:27 Ok, now I apparently need to become root, right? Jul 02 04:00:30 anybody have any experience with creating .desktop files for python apps? Jul 02 04:02:21 I find it easier to ssh in from my desktop for mounting Jul 02 04:03:10 I mean, I need to become root on the 770 in order to execute the dpkg -i, correct? Jul 02 04:03:14 I just installed Fuppes. seems to be doing a good job of audio streaming Jul 02 04:03:20 yes Jul 02 04:04:03 I see some people using SlimServer as well. Investigating that myself. Jul 02 04:04:57 I installed SimpleClient last night but I don't like it. PLus it erased my c:\ Jul 02 04:05:07 Fuppes looks very nice though. You're using it with Canola? Jul 02 04:05:43 SimpleClient is...? Jul 02 04:05:53 I tried it with canola and now I'm trying it with Media Streamer Jul 02 04:06:34 sorry, my brains is screwed up. It's SimpleCast Jul 02 04:06:53 Canola doesn't do playlisting, does it? Jul 02 04:07:28 it'd be cool if I could connect to the UPnP over the net Jul 02 04:07:30 I haven't tried it, I just see it listed on the Fuppes web page. Jul 02 04:07:42 like, when I'm not home Jul 02 04:09:00 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SlimServer Jul 02 04:09:02 I suppose, if you wanted to stream audio remotely, you could set up winamp to output shoutcast and use a web interface to winamp Jul 02 04:09:46 fuppes does video too Jul 02 04:11:43 * cesman highly recommends fuppes Jul 02 04:12:39 I just had Fuppes crash on me :-( Jul 02 04:14:51 ooo! A filebrowser! Jul 02 04:16:08 canoe? Jul 02 04:16:21 yep Jul 02 04:16:48 any good? Jul 02 04:17:03 about to try it Jul 02 04:17:33 got a link to canoe? Jul 02 04:18:13 well, it looks likr it does what it's supposed to Jul 02 04:18:40 it's on the maemo->downloads->Desktop page Jul 02 04:18:53 found it Jul 02 04:19:55 oww my pc won't run crysis Jul 02 04:21:55 I wonder if I could safely delete my themes other than the one I'm using Jul 02 04:28:13 ooooo! Puchi sounds cool... but stotage intensive Jul 02 04:30:27 Is there a real SIP phone that works with arbitrary Asterisk servers? I get the impression Gizmo doesn't. Jul 02 04:35:42 i was able to get Gizmo to work my asterisk server Jul 02 04:35:55 Really? Cool. Did it work well? Jul 02 04:36:23 http://gizmoproject.com/asterisk.html Jul 02 04:36:28 i don't think it was a true sip client Jul 02 04:36:46 it seemed like i would connect to gizmo and from gizmo, it would connect to my asterisk Jul 02 04:37:00 instead of going from 770/800 to my asterisk directly Jul 02 04:37:40 Hmm. That seems hoopty. So, you need an account with them? Jul 02 04:37:47 yeah. it's free though Jul 02 04:37:54 I should make a Shining Force style game for 770 Jul 02 04:38:02 how do I reboot the 770? Jul 02 04:38:16 i'm a rhel/fedora/centos guy. Jul 02 04:38:42 Turn it off and turn it back on? Jul 02 04:39:06 the easiest way to reboot is to type "reboot" in the shell if you have root Jul 02 04:39:14 yeah i'm ssh'd in Jul 02 04:39:59 thx Jul 02 04:43:45 Hey Kayla, I had to wget and dpkg the smbfs, but now smbbrowser works. Thanks! Jul 02 04:44:03 I never really got smbbrowser working :-) Jul 02 04:44:18 I just made a script and mount them by hand :-) Jul 02 04:44:37 You're more hardcore than me, I'm not there yet. Jul 02 04:44:39 I wonder if "Battle for Wesnoth" could be ported... Jul 02 04:48:54 Wonder if Canola has a configurable buffersize. I'dsure like to play mp3s straight off my shared filesystem. Jul 02 04:49:10 Xenon3DN: no, it doesn't Jul 02 04:49:14 :( Jul 02 04:49:26 Xenon3DN: actually, canola uses osso media server to play them Jul 02 04:49:33 it's not even the same process Jul 02 04:49:49 Ah. Jul 02 04:50:07 HOw about mplayer? Jul 02 04:50:41 Xenon3DN: you can get our mplayer plugin Jul 02 04:50:55 Xenon3DN: then you set ~/.mplayer/config with your desired cache Jul 02 04:51:00 that should work fine Jul 02 04:51:12 if you want to stream music, the best way is with Canola or Media Streamer and a UPnP server like Fuppes (probably) Jul 02 04:51:12 Tell me more. Plugin for what? Jul 02 04:51:39 Kayla: I'll probably go that way eventually, but if I can just play a few MP3s for now, it would be nice. Jul 02 04:51:46 Xenon3DN: we have a plugin to use mplayer as underneath media player Jul 02 04:52:12 Where can I find the plugin? Jul 02 04:52:12 Xenon3DN: and yes, KaylaKaze solution is the "expected" and supported one Jul 02 04:52:23 Xenon3DN: let me search Jul 02 04:52:49 I see mplayer does OGG too, I would like to ditch OGGPlayer, as I wasn't impressed by it. Jul 02 04:52:58 expected? It's just the one I find to be best as I have problems trying to play them off the share directly Jul 02 04:53:07 but I wasn't using mplayer Jul 02 04:54:01 I've only got 5M free... Jul 02 04:54:26 I seem to have a lot more free, on a stock N770. Do you have a ton of stuff installed? Or lots of media? Jul 02 04:55:17 python, mimo, my theme and smb stuff take a good chunk Jul 02 04:55:20 I have no media on it Jul 02 04:56:22 Xenon3DN: ah, mplayer plugin is in our repository, but you need to add "experimental" component... Jul 02 04:56:38 Ok. What repository is this? Jul 02 04:57:02 http://openbossa.indt.org.br/canola/repository/bora Jul 02 04:57:04 that space thing was why I wanted to nuke my themes Jul 02 04:57:08 distribution: bora Jul 02 04:57:17 component: user experimental Jul 02 04:57:47 I'm not up on all the distribution stuff -- this is going to work on a N770/ITOS2006? Jul 02 05:01:14 Xenon3DN: not this repo, you should use http://openbossa.indt.org.br/canola/repository/770 Jul 02 05:01:55 and 770 in the distribution field too, then? Jul 02 05:04:19 looks like it should be mistral Jul 02 05:04:33 * Dr_Nunim gets his 2gb card today. Jul 02 05:05:26 is there a command to see how much space a directory takes up, with optional recursion info? Jul 02 05:05:40 k-s: So, which packages exactly do I need? Canola plus canola-mplayer? Do I need mplayer itself from somewhere else, or is it in the mplayer plugin? Jul 02 05:05:57 KaylaKaze: du normally, but not sure if it's included. Jul 02 05:06:12 Xenon3DN: this package pull them all Jul 02 05:06:13 yep Jul 02 05:06:33 KaylaKaze: Is du included then? Jul 02 05:06:33 now if I just new how to use it... Jul 02 05:06:37 yes Jul 02 05:06:46 du Jul 02 05:07:04 then maybe it's a different type of du then Jul 02 05:07:12 'cause this isn't giving me any filesizes Jul 02 05:08:22 du -h Jul 02 05:08:32 ah, ok Jul 02 05:08:49 I was acctually experimenting with the options and found it Jul 02 05:08:54 -h: Human-readable. ;) Jul 02 05:09:31 is there a way to make it add all those together? Jul 02 05:09:56 -s ? Jul 02 05:10:00 http://linux.about.com/library/cmd/blcmdl1_du.htm Jul 02 05:10:07 ah, thanks Jul 02 05:10:36 actually, I get what I want with -ashL Jul 02 05:12:30 I think I'm gonna move most of my themes to my pc and see what happens Jul 02 05:14:58 k-s: I have installed the canola and canola-mplayer packages. Now I should have mplayer support in the Media Player? Jul 02 05:15:31 Xenon3DN: you should check the web-ui and enable this plugin Jul 02 05:15:39 oh good. It's not breakign anything. Those themes just don't show up in the chooser Jul 02 05:15:59 Not sure what web-ui you're referring to. Something in Media Player? Jul 02 05:23:16 I'm not sure which mail client to use Jul 02 05:23:27 Claws-mail is a little faster as well as easier to customize/more options. Jul 02 05:23:35 but the inbuilt one looks a bit nicer Jul 02 05:23:47 and slightly better orginization Jul 02 05:23:51 moving the city maps I had stored over to the MC. That'll free up some room Jul 02 05:24:15 or would have... except it 'caused my system to reboot instead. Jul 02 05:24:30 k-s: Can you clarify what I need to do to make the mplayer plugin work inside Media Player? Jul 02 05:25:10 Xenon3DN: there is a "Configure Canola" on maemo menu Jul 02 05:25:33 I see it, yes. Jul 02 05:26:27 It's complaining about Javascript not being enabled in my browser. I'm using the built-in browser. Is that ok? Jul 02 05:27:07 Ah. I see... Jul 02 05:27:23 turn on javascript would be a start :o Jul 02 05:27:45 Had to scroll down to see the steps. Jul 02 05:28:01 great... now my system freezes when I go into file manager Jul 02 05:28:41 You borked it. ;) Jul 02 05:28:52 what are some tips to improve overall performance of the 770? Jul 02 05:28:59 I wish I could get this thing to autoconnect to my wifi on startup Jul 02 05:29:01 it's a little slow for my tastes Jul 02 05:33:13 k-s: Ok, in the plugins page of the web configure UI, I see IRadio, Photocast and Podcast. Am I missing something? Jul 02 05:34:27 Xenon3DN: let me check, I have not wrote that and it was a long time since I've checked Jul 02 05:34:48 maybe you have a configure-something for that (package to be installed) Jul 02 05:38:33 is there a way to add more applets to HOME? Jul 02 05:38:34 Xenon3DN: canola-mplayer-plugin-configure-mplayer but seems you have to install that from xterm Jul 02 05:38:54 I'm not sure, just looked at package on website Jul 02 05:39:21 omnix: yes, just click the menu at top and check it there Jul 02 05:41:01 Xenon3DN: sorry, I misinterpreted it.. it should be installed and enabled when you access "configure canola" Jul 02 05:41:04 mplayer video is kinda slow... Jul 02 05:41:24 possible you need to restart your 770 Jul 02 05:41:42 Ok. A "reboot" from the shell, or what's the best way to restart? Jul 02 05:41:48 do it with the battery cable disconnected Jul 02 05:42:04 Xenon3DN: if you have xterm, just "killall -9 canola-conf Jul 02 05:42:09 and it will do it Jul 02 05:43:21 UK tube works decently. Jul 02 05:43:39 shame mplayer has such issues. Jul 02 05:43:40 OK, did the killall. Do I need to restart Canola now or something? Jul 02 05:44:19 Xenon3DN: no, when you click the menu it should use DBus activation to start web server before starting the browser Jul 02 05:44:36 mplayer seems to play over share well Jul 02 05:45:49 a nice gui frontend wouldn't hurt though Jul 02 05:46:13 KaylaKaze: Hence, why I want the MediaPlayer integration to work. Jul 02 05:46:55 I still don't get it. Canola works fine without needing mplayer Jul 02 05:47:11 the problem with Canola is it doesn't allow access to all your files Jul 02 05:47:20 Ok, after the canola-conf restart, I see the "Use MPlayer as canola default media player" checkbox and I have set it. Jul 02 05:47:46 Xenon3DN: ok, so start a new canola Jul 02 05:47:58 ... Jul 02 05:48:09 ok Jul 02 05:48:20 Now what? Jul 02 05:48:36 How's canola player in comparison? Jul 02 05:48:52 comparison to mplayer? Jul 02 05:48:57 Yeah. Jul 02 05:49:21 I don't know if you really can compare :-) I've never used Canola with local media, just UPnP so I can't say Jul 02 05:49:36 but controlling mplayer sucks Jul 02 05:49:41 mplayer seems to have decent video support. Jul 02 05:49:55 k-s: I have Canola running -- so how do I get it to play files? Jul 02 05:50:14 Xenon3DN: That's the problem I was talking about Jul 02 05:50:31 Xenon3DN: well... it should show your files, either under "Local" or shared... Jul 02 05:50:55 looking... Jul 02 05:52:03 but I can send an mplayer command from my ssh on my pc and the 770 will just sit here playing away while I do outher stuff. That's kinda nice Jul 02 05:53:46 Fuppes is apparently broken for me... it crashed again and after restart is showing no files Jul 02 05:56:15 k-s: Not sure what "Local" you're referring to. I don't know where to tell it to look for my files. Jul 02 05:56:55 Mmc? Jul 02 05:57:00 Xenon3DN: canola have 3 main categories (big icons): Audio, Video, Picture Jul 02 05:57:06 maybe ?/media/mmc1 Jul 02 05:57:08 Right. I'm on "Audio" now. Jul 02 05:57:23 Xenon3DN: under each one, you have where media is, like Local, Shared, ... Jul 02 05:57:38 if data is on your MMC, then it will be on "local" Jul 02 05:57:58 if it's on UPnP or DAAP, it will be under "Shared" Jul 02 05:58:10 but if it's on a mounted share, it won't show at all Jul 02 05:58:11 I have "Audio Library", Shared Audio, "Podcast" and "IRadio Stations". My media is on a mounted share. Not sure how to tell it how to look there. Jul 02 05:58:20 (however daap just work with regular player, mplayer for 770 doesn't support it) Jul 02 05:58:53 Xenon3DN: you just have to add your mount point to be scanned, then it will show as "Local" Jul 02 05:59:03 Ok. Do I do that from the "Config" tool? Jul 02 05:59:07 just use "Configure Canola" tool Jul 02 05:59:14 ok. looking... Jul 02 05:59:18 yes, from Media Library Jul 02 05:59:40 just navigate on left, click the green right arrow Jul 02 05:59:41 Thanks for your patience. Getting closer... Jul 02 06:03:04 Xenon3DN: worked? Jul 02 06:03:13 still navigating... Jul 02 06:03:55 Not sure where smbbrowser mounted my share, actually... Jul 02 06:04:49 it'd be mounted under MyDocs Jul 02 06:05:13 KaylaKaze: Thx. Jul 02 06:05:36 WHat's the full filesystem path to that? I'm a n00b. Jul 02 06:08:07 I'm having trouble typing it :-) Jul 02 06:08:15 jhasdfjk /home/user/MyDocs Jul 02 06:08:29 (had to put some dummy chars in front of /) Jul 02 06:08:59 THx. Silly IRC and its /commands. Jul 02 06:11:38 STILL trying to get this set up. Bear with me. Jul 02 06:13:17 they need to add address lookup options to maemo mapper Jul 02 06:13:57 though I suppose you can do that in the browser and copy the long/lat Jul 02 06:15:11 How do I determine my DHCP IP address? Jul 02 06:16:22 FOund it. Jul 02 06:16:38 Connection manager, menus. Jul 02 06:17:07 connection manager? Jul 02 06:17:24 guys, time to sleep Jul 02 06:17:30 oh, the IP Jul 02 06:17:31 Under Tools from the main menus. Jul 02 06:17:43 Thanks for your help, k-s. I'll get this working yet. Jul 02 06:17:43 I thought you were still looking for canola config Jul 02 06:18:04 I am, sorta. I'm trying to use another browser to access it, since it's really slow on the builtin browser. Jul 02 06:18:15 I just set my router to give it a static IP of 77 Jul 02 06:24:56 Crap. My browser won't run now, just exits on startup. Jul 02 07:12:43 I compile program on pc using scratchbox with armel sdk rootstrap and qemu, but when I move the compiled program file to N800 and try to run it I get "Permission denied" Jul 02 07:13:25 It has +x permissions and tried both as user and as super user Jul 02 07:13:49 Any suggestions what might be the problem Jul 02 07:14:37 Enok, you're trying to run in from mmc, which is mounted noexec Jul 02 07:15:00 Ok thanks Jul 02 07:25:59 where in the scratchbox is the file with dns settings? Jul 02 07:27:06 the same place as every other linux.. /etc/resolv.conf Jul 02 07:27:17 tx Jul 02 07:28:11 actually, there is another place :) Jul 02 07:28:39 in the _host_ machine, /scratchbox/etc/resolve.conf Jul 02 07:28:53 and /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf Jul 02 07:29:13 yeah, I've just copied the DNS IPs from there to here Jul 02 07:29:16 a usual problem is /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf uses mdsn for host name resolving Jul 02 07:30:13 I can't make it resolve repository.maemo.org when execing 'apt-get update' Jul 02 07:31:29 be sure /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf in the hosts machine, not scratchbox, mention dns and not mdns Jul 02 07:33:06 I have everywhere: Jul 02 07:33:12 hosts: files dns Jul 02 07:34:08 I successfully ping it from the host, but ping doesn't exist inside scratchbox Jul 02 07:34:13 maybe I should reboot? Jul 02 07:42:05 didn't help Jul 02 07:53:19 koen, double check that stfuff in scratchbox (/etc/resolv.conf and /etc/nsswitch.conf) are the same as : in the hosting machine /etc/resolv.conf , and /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf Jul 02 08:05:13 no firmware update yet eh Jul 02 08:05:14 suck Jul 02 08:07:57 Morning, all Jul 02 08:09:21 sup Jaffa Jul 02 08:25:21 good morning Jul 02 08:25:46 florian: good morning Jul 02 08:36:32 Aloha! Jul 02 08:42:04 Hawaii! Jul 02 08:48:04 http://maemo.org/news/view/1183357408.html Jul 02 08:48:09 Looks interesting.. Jul 02 08:53:44 Indeed. Jul 02 08:53:59 I just want new firmware :( Jul 02 09:08:52 morning Jul 02 09:10:27 bonjour Jul 02 09:13:08 Does anyone know why the ARM asm in the kernel appears to be written in Intel syntax rather than the (supposed) default AT&T syntax? Jul 02 09:16:59 what's the difference with bora and mistral ? Jul 02 09:17:12 is that like stable and testing under debian ? Jul 02 09:17:54 pello: I believe bora and mistral are release revisions of maemo Jul 02 09:18:19 all my packages previsouly installed are bora Jul 02 09:18:28 can i install a package from a mistral repo ? Jul 02 09:18:40 On the n800 you should be able to Jul 02 09:18:47 (i have my n800 from this morning sorry for dumb questions) Jul 02 09:24:07 salut obergix[work] Jul 02 09:24:10 cy- thx Jul 02 09:30:46 People who install mistral onto N800 serve up to 5 years in prison. Jul 02 09:31:09 dumb ass Jul 02 09:31:27 wtf? heh Jul 02 09:31:36 I am using that as an example for how advertising misleads us with the phrase "up to" Jul 02 09:31:45 People who install mistral onto N800 serve 0 - 5 years in prison. Jul 02 09:32:15 up to really means "less than" Jul 02 09:32:44 or "less than or equal-to" Jul 02 09:33:23 Anyway... the n800 uses 'Bora' Jul 02 09:33:56 * pello discover red pill Jul 02 09:34:11 pupnik_, what the deal with bora and mistral ? Jul 02 09:34:35 mistral is the latest official release for the 770, unless I am out-of-date Jul 02 09:35:32 there is an unofficial IT2007 "Hacker Edition" for the 770 that is based on Bora Jul 02 09:40:47 good morning Jul 02 09:57:34 hi all, can anyone help me in creating folders using tinymail Jul 02 10:00:00 dunno Jul 02 10:00:09 how can i type onto a pdf? openoffice? Jul 02 10:01:19 www.pdftypewriter.com Open, edit, type on, save, fill in forms & print PDF files for $49 Jul 02 10:09:19 ah pdfedit can do it Jul 02 10:25:46 my touchscreen is completely scrachted on the handwriting recognition area Jul 02 10:25:51 do you also experience this ? Jul 02 10:26:22 guardian: Is the protective film still on your screen? Jul 02 10:26:23 guardian: does it still have that "default screen protection" ? Jul 02 10:26:27 X-Fade: =) Jul 02 10:26:38 hehe Jul 02 10:26:49 or there is a protective film ? :D Jul 02 10:27:14 ah now that you say it indeed Jul 02 10:27:18 but it's very close to the edges Jul 02 10:27:20 did not notice it Jul 02 10:27:22 guardian: if you take a close look you'll se that...mainly on the vorders Jul 02 10:27:22 should i remove it ? Jul 02 10:27:25 borders Jul 02 10:27:46 guardian: That is up to you ;) Jul 02 10:28:06 was there such a film on the 770 ? Jul 02 10:28:10 The real touchscreen is harder to scratch than this film.. Jul 02 10:28:10 i don't have mine here Jul 02 10:28:25 guardian: Yes, but is wasn't that good.. Jul 02 10:28:29 ok Jul 02 10:28:36 So you probably removed it first thing.. Jul 02 10:29:45 X-Fade: btw, how do you get this film off ? I mean...it's hard to find a way of doing that without damaging the screen =/ Jul 02 10:30:10 MoRpHeUz: Grow long nails ;) Jul 02 10:30:29 hehehe =D Jul 02 10:50:24 removing osx86 from my one of my notebooks, and installing linux......going with ubuntu, unless anyone has another alternative they can recommend Jul 02 10:50:50 ubuntu works for me Jul 02 10:52:34 same here... Jul 02 10:52:49 ditto Jul 02 10:53:36 ever tried anything besides ubuntu.. Jul 02 10:54:04 gentoo is amazing, but the compile time sucks.. Jul 02 10:55:27 unique311: kubuntu =) the same way but with kde =) Jul 02 10:56:37 not a big fan of kde Jul 02 10:58:16 ok, so ubuntu it is...thNKS Jul 02 11:03:47 gentoo sounds nice. So does suse. And Debian. On the other hand, I hates computers, and the less time I have to spend wrangling with them the better :-) Jul 02 11:04:17 hate computers/// Jul 02 11:04:32 exact opposite Jul 02 11:04:37 I have a bro who uses gentoo... but.. he switched to it from slackware Jul 02 11:04:38 love em Jul 02 11:05:03 oh, I couldn't live without a computer, and many things about them give me lots of pleasure Jul 02 11:05:14 but installing different distros and messign about with them isn't one of them... :-) Jul 02 11:10:41 i just played a SDL game called neverball Jul 02 11:10:50 by moving around my thinkpad Jul 02 11:11:10 neverball is fun Jul 02 11:11:34 think thinkpad has a motion sensor feature. Jul 02 11:11:39 yeah Jul 02 11:11:40 it does Jul 02 11:11:51 it was fun.. Jul 02 11:11:52 macbooks too iirc.. Jul 02 11:12:19 but it gets heavy after a couple of minutes moving the danm thing around. Jul 02 11:49:58 /j #moscow Jul 02 11:50:01 oops, sorry Jul 02 12:04:49 anyone here use the 'knock' port for the 770? Jul 02 12:15:11 has anyone had any problems with textfields not accepting any input ? Jul 02 12:16:41 jani: I guess the virtual keyboard process has died.. Jul 02 12:17:47 doesnt look like that. i can switch to next input field and input works there just fine, switch back to previous and nothing but backspace Jul 02 12:22:21 its only one field thats causing the problem and seemingly both text fields are generated by same type of code .. Jul 02 12:34:53 :( Unable to install. Package is incompatible with current software! all i want is telnet, how hard of a port is that to run, it's like 3 the most basic app ever Jul 02 12:42:28 anybody know of a *working* port of sendip/telnet for os 2006 on the 770? Jul 02 12:43:55 dunno, but there was just announcement in maemo devel list that netcat is ported to maemo platform, you could use that as telnet. i dont remember if it was for 770 thou =( Jul 02 12:44:07 that would work.. Jul 02 12:44:22 i just want to port knock, the "knock" client i found is like Jul 02 12:44:29 customized for some 'doorman' daemon Jul 02 12:44:54 http://maemo.org/development/maemo_tools_index.html Jul 02 12:45:08 announcement game like 1,5 hours ago =) Jul 02 12:47:10 emr.. came Jul 02 12:48:11 Relase 3.X Jul 02 12:48:18 means os 2007, doesn't it? Jul 02 12:48:55 Yeah Jul 02 12:51:15 i can't believe i can't find a working telnet/sendip/netcat port for 2006 Jul 02 12:51:20 i must be stupid. Jul 02 12:51:51 can someone please recall me the command used to list the entry points of some library Jul 02 12:51:53 or, more likely, it doesn't exist Jul 02 12:52:25 why wouldn't it exist, telnte can't be one of the more difficult programs to port Jul 02 12:56:48 request for netcat I'd understand, but telnet.. Jul 02 12:57:28 either Jul 02 12:57:38 heh, telnet/sendip/netcat, something Jul 02 12:58:14 btw, is telnet supposed to be compiled into busybox ? Jul 02 13:00:28 hi there Jul 02 13:00:57 does somebody know where i can find the sourcecode to the programm `play-sound' wich is on the device (n800) Jul 02 13:01:45 it's a bit strange: a few wave files are played every time i call `play-sound file.wav' Jul 02 13:01:58 others are played one or two times Jul 02 13:02:10 before it won't play them anymore Jul 02 13:03:50 and why don't i hear anything when i `cat sound.wav > /dev/dsp' ??? Jul 02 13:04:39 because it doesn't use oss? Jul 02 13:05:12 so, what to do? Jul 02 13:05:25 why doesn't play-sound work all the time? Jul 02 13:05:40 (thanks inz for answering, already thought i'm a soliloquist) Jul 02 13:07:56 how can i capture screenshots on my n800? Jul 02 13:10:51 there's an app you can apt-get install, osso-screenshot-tool iirc Jul 02 13:10:53 eugene: by pressing the print button *fg* Jul 02 13:10:53 just kidding...: osso-screenshot-tool Jul 02 13:11:48 Synt1: hehehehe Jul 02 13:12:04 Synt1: trying to find that app :) Jul 02 13:12:07 Or mh-shot-tool ;) Jul 02 13:12:24 mh-shot-tool can upload your screenshots to flickr! Jul 02 13:12:26 mgedmin: inz: thanks! Jul 02 13:13:03 yeah, osso-screenshot-tool is a cmdline app Jul 02 13:13:28 not very convenient unless you have some cpu applet that can launch it, or have a convenient laptop so you can ssh into your nokia Jul 02 13:13:41 mgedmin: tip: try `apt-cache search keyword' Jul 02 13:13:54 jani, ericz: what announcement? Jul 02 13:14:01 * mgedmin wonders why Synt1 gave him the tip Jul 02 13:14:18 * mgedmin notices the iirc in his answer Jul 02 13:14:20 mgedmin, maybe he's the official tip-of-the-day'er Jul 02 13:14:25 development of netcat or something Jul 02 13:14:36 can I exchange my tip to some other tip? Jul 02 13:14:44 I'd like a green one, please... Jul 02 13:14:50 mgedmin: `apt-cache search screenshot' returns the osso-screenshot-tool Jul 02 13:14:52 mgedmin, that would be like exchanging fortune cookies Jul 02 13:15:11 * mgedmin redirects Synt1's suggestions to eugene Jul 02 13:15:36 ah the camera app is useful but not too good to take photos at night Jul 02 13:15:39 mgedmin: oh... f*** Jul 02 13:15:42 ericz: is that newsworthy? Jul 02 13:15:42 sry Jul 02 13:15:52 s/mgedmin/eugene/g Jul 02 13:16:04 no, i was asking about netcat/telnet, he was telling me about some development release coming out Jul 02 13:16:11 ahh... ok Jul 02 13:16:29 so does somebody know about the play-sound problem?? Jul 02 13:16:42 btw where are you guys based in? Jul 02 13:16:55 i need help please, i'm trying to create a bar.so library that uses some code that is already in a static library foo.a . i'm using automake and i added foo.a to libbar_LIBADD clause. however when invoking objdump on libbar, it says libfoo.a: file format not recognized Jul 02 13:17:23 so basically , is this possible to embed code that is already compiled in a .a into a .so shared library and how ? Jul 02 13:17:46 ah, i'm trying to backport a kernel patch for 2.6.18 (assuming this is the latest kernel). is it possible to test the kernel with the simulator first, before the real thing? and if it failed to boot, can reflashing RX-34_2007SE_3.2007.10-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin help? Jul 02 13:18:42 eugene, scratchbox doesn't emulate the whole OS, so you cannot test kernel there Jul 02 13:19:01 oh.. Jul 02 13:19:01 eugene, and yes, reflashing flashes the kernel too, so it should work Jul 02 13:19:04 nod Jul 02 13:19:17 Jul 02 13:19:31 wierd. i installed the fm radio app, and i can't find it in the menu Jul 02 13:19:33 eugene: You can run './flasher -k kernel -b' to boot the kernel without flashing it Jul 02 13:20:09 how can i simply play a wav file from the command line when `cat sound.wav > /dev/dsp' doesnt work and `play-sound sound.wav' only works sometimes?? Jul 02 13:20:14 help Jul 02 13:20:17 zuh: so i can test it without risking it have any permanent effect? Jul 02 13:21:34 cool Jul 02 13:23:21 Hmm, at least that's what I thought that dird Jul 02 13:23:24 -r Jul 02 13:24:09 nod Jul 02 13:24:43 so much things to learn. so much things to play :) Jul 02 13:27:56 inz: ah, mh-shot-tool is written by u :) Jul 02 13:28:32 eugene, it is? I hadn't noticed... Jul 02 13:28:54 oh i read wrongly :) Jul 02 13:30:24 Is fastmail.fm a trustworthy mail provider? Jul 02 13:31:17 so is ncurses-base, and osso-xterm, and maemo-gaim, looks like inz is awesome :P Jul 02 13:31:57 hehe. n800 is neat, especially with the fm player. Jul 02 13:32:57 ericz, mh-shot-tool is actually the only one of those I've written Jul 02 13:33:02 suihkulokki: multiple calls to hildon_gtk_entry_set_input_mode fucked up the input =( Jul 02 13:33:21 ericz, ncurses-base I've packaged and xterm/gaim I've modified a bit Jul 02 13:33:33 inz: ah, yes it's you isn't it :) Jul 02 13:33:36 ah Jul 02 13:36:23 zuh: i will try that and see how it goes. thanks. Jul 02 13:36:49 btw where's nice themes i can browse? any good links? Jul 02 13:39:14 There's not that many themes around. http://www.maemo-apps.org/index.php?xcontentmode=2130 <- there's few, google finds probably few more and then there's my favourite on garage: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/theme-plankton/ Jul 02 13:39:43 thanks! Jul 02 13:39:55 Hmm, there's few others too on garage (search for 'theme') Jul 02 13:40:42 ok Jul 02 13:41:18 i was going true some theming sites over last week and i noticed that some of stock apps doesnt work well with themes Jul 02 13:42:39 claws-mail interface is just hard to use, period with the virtual keyboard Jul 02 13:44:56 http://www.flickr.com/photos/eugeneteo/695614050/ Jul 02 13:44:58 works great! Jul 02 13:45:21 i'm using that same theme Jul 02 13:48:08 theme-plankton == This project has not released any files. Jul 02 13:48:09 hmmm Jul 02 13:48:34 hola eugene ! Jul 02 13:48:59 melmoth: hey :) Jul 02 13:49:09 heh Jul 02 13:49:10 melmoth: you use n800 too? :P Jul 02 13:49:21 gf is getting my n770, just ordered an n800 from amazon, should be here tomorrow :P Jul 02 13:49:28 Tu13es: congrats :D Jul 02 13:49:39 eugene, yep :) Jul 02 13:49:51 melmoth: hacking anything yet? :) Jul 02 13:50:20 a little bit (http://hurdygurdy.dyndns.org/maemosword/) Jul 02 13:50:36 melmoth: wow Jul 02 13:50:55 i also had a look at gstreamer and pygame , to play with sound (to make the sound of rain play in loop) Jul 02 13:51:02 but i sort of ...fail on this one :) Jul 02 13:51:04 melmoth: cool Jul 02 13:51:25 melmoth: you should join engineering :D Jul 02 13:51:59 when they will be interested in python newbye i'll apply :) Jul 02 13:52:23 melmoth: if you are a python newbie, i am a python idiot :) Jul 02 13:53:47 Hello there. I have the exact same problem as thus guy: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/19122 Jul 02 13:54:19 Wondering if anyone knows the solution regarding wlancond-dbus.h and wlancond.h Jul 02 13:54:23 melmoth: hopefully i can finish backporting it, and then we can have more fun :) Jul 02 13:54:31 melmoth: should be easy. Jul 02 13:55:09 (Basically the problem is missing header files for wlan stuff.) Jul 02 13:56:15 eugene, what are you currently backporting ? Jul 02 13:56:37 is it systemtap for maemo ? :) Jul 02 13:57:07 hehe Jul 02 13:57:26 What's systemtap? Jul 02 13:57:38 ttuttle: it's an instrumentation tool for profiling purposes Jul 02 13:57:51 ttuttle: http://sources.redhat.com/systemtap/wiki/RedHatSummit2007 Jul 02 13:58:02 system tap is to a kernel what a biopsy is to medecine . Jul 02 13:58:54 heh i can't change password for user Jul 02 13:59:36 Hmmm. always worked here. Jul 02 13:59:38 ah i can change it as a root user Jul 02 13:59:48 but not popssible if i change it as a user user Jul 02 14:07:05 gee. memory consumption is pretty high. Jul 02 14:35:38 inz: do you have 256colors2.pl script handy? Jul 02 14:35:48 :-( supermediastore is having a flash memory sale but they don't have any MMC :-( Jul 02 14:43:28 Anyone know about signals? Jul 02 14:45:31 specifically about signal handlers, and what happens when the signal handler returns Jul 02 14:47:25 even more specifically, in this article (http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/3985), it says that after the handler returns control to the offending thread, some code is popped from the local stack to alter the kernel stack frame Jul 02 14:48:00 the question is, why does it need to alter the kernel stack frame, and could this locally popped code be changed to do something else... Jul 02 14:54:08 hey, my n800 is caught in an infinite loop, I read that I should turn off the lifeguard reset...any body know how? Jul 02 14:54:25 you need to use the flasher tool Jul 02 14:54:45 do they have one for windows? or just linux? Jul 02 14:54:54 just linux afaik Jul 02 14:56:53 do you know if it'll work over vmware? Jul 02 14:57:59 i'd be skeptical about that. but dunno really if it has some funky usb bridge Jul 02 14:58:28 what about that freeware flasher, does that work under Windows and does it do the control messages? Jul 02 14:59:26 where can I find the windows flasher? Jul 02 14:59:37 jga23: You could always get a linux live CD, boot that, download the flasher and work from there... Jul 02 14:59:53 anyone got a link to that free flasher project? Jul 02 15:00:01 k, I have ubuntu on a vm, I'll try that first, then the live cd Jul 02 15:01:28 jga23: There's a mailing list post about using vmware & flasher Jul 02 15:03:16 > Good for once don’t be too late home! (not that exciting though!) Jul 02 15:03:16 > Good for once don’t be too late home! (not that exciting though!) Jul 02 15:03:16 fyi http://www.nopcode.org/0xFFFF/ Jul 02 15:04:25 thanks Jul 02 15:04:47 damn Jul 02 15:04:53 my n800 seems to froze Jul 02 15:05:02 not of much use to you, but there is source so it may be possible to port it to Windows Jul 02 15:06:10 * lardman doesn't know about usb stuff on Windows Jul 02 15:06:23 how do u take the battery out? can't seem to be able to take it out ... gee Jul 02 15:07:05 flick it Jul 02 15:07:11 ?? Jul 02 15:07:12 or rather your wrist Jul 02 15:08:25 eugene, it should be easy, you pick at the right end and draw Jul 02 15:08:35 you need a bit of a nail, of course :-) Jul 02 15:08:35 gomiam: got it. Jul 02 15:08:41 nice Jul 02 15:08:49 glad i haven't cut my nails :) Jul 02 15:09:03 but my mini-sd card is stucked Jul 02 15:09:11 ? Jul 02 15:09:11 i can't take it out. i wish it has springs Jul 02 15:09:16 checking mine... Jul 02 15:09:36 is the slider stuck too? Jul 02 15:09:47 nope. Jul 02 15:10:04 i am able to see my mini-sd+adpater Jul 02 15:10:16 just can't take it out. more like a design issue :/ Jul 02 15:10:29 mmm... my SD just pops up when the slider is all the way back Jul 02 15:10:44 all the way back? hmm Jul 02 15:10:49 try and push it down a couple of times Jul 02 15:11:07 you are talking about the inside SD slot, right? Jul 02 15:11:23 nope Jul 02 15:11:29 the outside one Jul 02 15:11:29 ah, the outer one then :-) Jul 02 15:11:35 that one has no springs Jul 02 15:11:44 you need to draw it out Jul 02 15:11:46 inside one has? Jul 02 15:11:53 looks like it Jul 02 15:11:57 damn Jul 02 15:12:02 the outer one requires even more nail :-) Jul 02 15:12:09 yeah ;( Jul 02 15:12:13 challenge Jul 02 15:12:34 actually, the SD card has an engraving for you to "nail it out" ;-) Jul 02 15:12:51 somehow it's not there! Jul 02 15:12:57 ouch Jul 02 15:12:59 or maybe the one i bought didn't have that... Jul 02 15:13:05 it might be that Jul 02 15:13:25 well, try with a cutter or a screwdriver Jul 02 15:13:31 boohoo.. Jul 02 15:13:33 it's quite sturdy so it shouldn't suffer much Jul 02 15:13:49 needle nose pliers Jul 02 15:14:05 nod nod Jul 02 15:14:07 KaylaKaze: after cleaning them first, of course ;-D Jul 02 15:14:19 lol Jul 02 15:14:24 ... what do you do with you pliers? Jul 02 15:14:30 ply? Jul 02 15:14:49 I mean that you'd need to clean them Jul 02 15:15:00 mm... nose... Jul 02 15:15:08 something might get stuck Jul 02 15:15:26 it didnt ask for regional settings and assumed that i'm a british heh Jul 02 15:15:27 oh, I get it :-P Jul 02 15:15:38 it's GB by default Jul 02 15:15:43 it didn't ask? Jul 02 15:15:47 that's surprising Jul 02 15:15:48 nope Jul 02 15:16:03 though it should have asked on initial startup Jul 02 15:16:05 nod nod Jul 02 15:16:08 it asked me when I first started it up (and when I re-flashed it) Jul 02 15:16:10 it didnt Jul 02 15:16:17 i'm going thru it noe Jul 02 15:16:19 i'm going thru it now Jul 02 15:16:28 just reflashed Jul 02 15:16:56 so when is the firmware update going to be released? Jul 02 15:17:17 chrissturm: no idea, but blogs seem to be panting for it to come out :-D Jul 02 15:32:14 good night! Jul 02 15:33:01 good morning Jul 02 15:39:02 Hey, has *anyone* managed to programmatically do wifi scanning with the n800? Jul 02 15:39:35 The wlan driver is locked up, as is the osso-connectivity UI side of things Jul 02 15:42:30 there's a garage project, what's that about? Jul 02 15:43:44 https://garage.maemo.org/projects/cx3110x/ Jul 02 15:45:54 lardman: Thanks Jul 02 15:46:29 stuaart: iwlist scan ? Jul 02 15:46:59 Unfortunately iwlist does not reliably replicate what is visible in the UI Jul 02 15:47:36 I.e., when you use the UI wifi scanning, funny stuff happens behind-the-scenes which we can't seem to even detect as dbus signals Jul 02 15:51:58 lardman: that only contains a bit of what is needed to build the driver Jul 02 15:54:01 I wanted to patch the driver for aircrack/injection to work, but to no avail, that garage project is kind of useless Jul 02 15:54:30 Basically we want to do wlan scanning within our own app. The maemo API just doesn't support this it seems. Jul 02 16:00:35 Ah, I see Jul 02 16:30:01 how can i install gconf-editor inside scratchbox ? Jul 02 16:37:19 hey. Jul 02 16:50:24 sssssssscore! Jul 02 16:50:26 new memory card Jul 02 16:54:09 learn to program and port apps Jul 02 16:55:44 this is odd. A lot of programs, when passed a parameter from the cmdline, don't open it like they're suppsed to. Jul 02 16:56:27 And, btw, Opera is VERY good for looking at pages of a comic book. Now I jsut need to right a webpage script for browsing them better Jul 02 16:58:17 Wow it really did not like me trying to do apt-get update without an internet connection Jul 02 17:00:15 one thing cool though is you can use opera as a file browser Jul 02 17:00:48 if you open a directory like file://localhost Jul 02 17:00:58 Kayla: Neat! Jul 02 17:02:46 the only problem is it doesn't open fiels right. It sends file://localhost to the opening program so the opening program can't find the file... but if it's a file Opera can open (like a graphic) it will Jul 02 17:02:52 wow wtf Jul 02 17:03:00 why is my apt-get going in Bytes per second Jul 02 17:03:29 maemo.org is slowwwwwwww Jul 02 17:03:49 and if you set Opera for "optimized view" mofe, it does GREAT with comic book pages Jul 02 17:04:07 or the cat sleeping on my wifi is affecting the speed greatly Jul 02 17:04:30 Cats are a great faraday cage at 2.4-5GHz. Jul 02 17:07:10 hrm Jul 02 17:07:13 unmount not found Jul 02 17:07:13 is there a way to run a GUI program from the shell and have it immediately give you your prompt back? Jul 02 17:07:14 :o Jul 02 17:07:18 it's umount Jul 02 17:07:21 ah Jul 02 17:07:23 lol Jul 02 17:07:26 I need my coffee Jul 02 17:07:37 Kayla: & Jul 02 17:09:54 Opera displaying a comic book page in fullscreen optimized view mode http://kaylakaze.sytes.net/screenshot00.jpg Jul 02 17:12:48 what'd you use to take the screenshot Jul 02 17:13:53 grrr! Why won't opera open a file from cmndline! grrr Jul 02 17:15:07 loadapplet Jul 02 17:16:08 Geeze, booting of mmc takes a while to setup. Jul 02 17:24:05 grrr... I can't get php to extract a file from a rar directly to the stdout Jul 02 17:25:41 ... or maybe the problem is it's not extracting the file at all. Weird Jul 02 17:32:29 hey, is there any concensus on the best graphical email client for a 770? :) Jul 02 17:33:18 gmail Jul 02 17:34:09 voting on a mail client for nokia is like voting for president of the USA Jul 02 17:34:17 ... this thing is saying the extract is successful, but I can't find the file. WTF!? Jul 02 17:35:09 ok, that's about what I expected ;-) Jul 02 17:35:27 Ok, how do I copy & paste within an edit field? I can't seem to get the menu key to open a menu for copy/paste operations. Jul 02 17:35:27 pupnik_, recount included ? Jul 02 17:36:08 Xenon3DN, keeping the stylus pressed a couple of second should open a contextual menu Jul 02 17:36:18 if your lucky, there s a 'copy' item Jul 02 17:42:55 oki am recount what happy not is it tyrranny time? Jul 02 17:43:19 going for friendly exclusion as never finding! Jul 02 17:47:22 holy crap! I jsut realized that DND sheet thing I made is, with only a few slight modifications, a full online spreadsheet system! Jul 02 17:47:34 i t ' s i n m y b r a i n n o w Jul 02 17:47:37 ... Jul 02 17:47:40 h e l t e r s k e l t e r Jul 02 17:47:41 among other things Jul 02 17:47:43 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woCX7s_cTl4 Jul 02 17:58:40 "If you ask no questions, then beware of lies" - Meat Beat Manifesto Jul 02 17:58:47 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAPEd_Vyvlw Jul 02 18:07:48 with dropbear whats the root pw? Jul 02 18:07:50 rootme? Jul 02 18:08:44 yeah, should be Jul 02 18:09:30 Sure is taking awhile to install. Jul 02 18:11:43 ahhh Jul 02 18:11:46 SSH makes this so much easier. Jul 02 18:12:09 easier to get root, and to type! Jul 02 18:12:38 ? Jul 02 18:12:49 lies! Jul 02 18:12:50 ps. remember to change the root pw if you install ssh Jul 02 18:12:52 takes forever Jul 02 18:12:55 I know. Jul 02 18:12:59 rootme isn't exactly safe :) Jul 02 18:15:02 although I'm really not that woried about it Jul 02 18:15:05 Whos going to hack it? Jul 02 18:15:20 The cat whos blocking my wifi? I'd like to see her try! Jul 02 18:15:28 really.. besides, predictive text remembers it for you.. Jul 02 18:16:38 I'm writing a ukmp workalike (uses python, pygame, mplayer, a2dpd, and gobject, among other things). It works, but after a certain (unpredictable) amount of time the application completely locks up. I can still switch tasks, but if I try to run `ps` my shell hangs (no CTRL+c, CTRL+z will fix it). At that point I pretty much have to reboot because I can no longer do process management. Anyone have any idea what might be causing that? Jul 02 18:17:10 trevarthan: what kind of stuff are you working on then? Jul 02 18:17:26 Last time we talked you were converting ukmp to use mplayer Jul 02 18:17:41 And you managed to get it working at some point as well Jul 02 18:17:51 So, did you start a new project after that from scratch? Jul 02 18:18:21 Yeah, that's basically what it is, but it's a complete rewrite from scratch. The only thing I kept was the spirit of the thing and the theme, and the theme will be changing a bit in the near future. Jul 02 18:18:49 It works perfectly right until the point it locks up. :) Jul 02 18:19:14 I can switch on the fly between A2DP and speakers with the press of a button. It's pretty cool. Jul 02 18:19:48 great stuff! congrats! Jul 02 18:20:04 If anyone wants to play with it then I'll be happy to make a pre-alpha tar.gz available. It's all GPL of course. Jul 02 18:20:07 hrm Jul 02 18:20:20 before I did this file system clone it would have been a good idea to do a fresh flash. Jul 02 18:22:29 One thing you might like, konttori, is I made an album image cache. I noticed that most of my startup time was spent loading and convert()'ing images, so I build a large image when I scan the ID3 tags and then I use that image from then on until the next scan. Jul 02 18:22:34 trevarthan: a screenshot would be nice! Jul 02 18:22:49 I've been considering that as well Jul 02 18:22:57 how much did it speedup? Jul 02 18:23:17 It works quite well. Brought my startup down from about 13 seconds to maybe 5? Jul 02 18:23:34 cool Jul 02 18:23:42 I expected as much Jul 02 18:23:44 I've got a large MP3 library, so I sort of had to do it to ease development. Jul 02 18:28:37 How about a tar.gz? http://www.guardiani.us/ukmp-dev-20070702.tar.gz Jul 02 18:29:04 unpack it, `cd ukmp.dist; ./ukmp-scanner.py; ./ukmp.py` Jul 02 18:29:29 how about this; is there any decent SIP client for a 770? (that's not tied to gizmo or gtalk or ....) Jul 02 18:29:57 sandeen: have you tried shtoom? It's a python sip phone. might work. I've been meaning to give it a try myself. Jul 02 18:30:15 trevarthan, haven't tried it, never heard of it ;-) I'll see what I can find, thanks Jul 02 18:30:47 sandeen: rule of thumb for the maemo platform: If it doesn't exist in the garage, look for a python solution. :) Jul 02 18:31:03 hehe ok :) Jul 02 18:31:25 i was disappointed to see that none of the commonly-available VoIP clients were "generic" sip clients :( Jul 02 18:31:51 I think that is because most C/C++ SIP libraries are a pain in the rear to compile. Jul 02 18:32:14 Ask me how I know? :) Jul 02 18:32:19 well i've had my 770 for < 24 hrs so have a ways to go to find my way through all this stuff :) Jul 02 18:32:29 * Jul 02 18:32:29 o Release 0.3 Real Soon Now. Jul 02 18:32:29 o Release 0.2 22nd March 2004 Jul 02 18:32:31 hehe Jul 02 18:32:35 hmmm Jul 02 18:32:53 erm fuck Jul 02 18:32:56 install svn on your 770 and check it out from svn. Jul 02 18:33:06 how do I get it to go to usb mode when i've installed a new boot menu Jul 02 18:33:12 it goes usb for like 2 seconds then tries to boot Jul 02 18:34:09 ahh the charger Jul 02 18:38:33 trevarthan: I'll try to test it soon Jul 02 18:39:43 evening #maemo Jul 02 18:41:00 konttori: It's lacking the album view. It's using a list view instead right now. I intend to allow the user to switch between the two in the near future. It also requires the user to move the selection between two horizontal bars right now. I intend to make that a tap in the near future instead of a required drag. Jul 02 18:41:24 all right. sounds interesting! Jul 02 18:41:35 Lots of spit and polish missing too. I'm still catching up to your feature set. :) Jul 02 19:00:23 trevarthan: I was unable to open the ukmp.dist package. Jul 02 19:00:51 ahh.. now it worked Jul 02 19:01:40 File "./ukmp-scanner.py", line 29 Jul 02 19:01:40 class DB(): Jul 02 19:01:40 ^ Jul 02 19:01:40 SyntaxError: invalid syntax Jul 02 19:03:23 I was sitting here, unable to figure out why this page wouldn't work on Opera... Jul 02 19:03:41 then, I happened to hit settings, and turns out Opera had turned my JS off again Jul 02 19:05:41 but check this out at an early version of my cb reader http://kaylakaze.sytes.net/databases/test.php?rname=The%20Dress.cbr&entry=0 Jul 02 19:07:28 its a png so wat? Jul 02 19:07:54 no Jul 02 19:08:36 it extracts the file from the cbr and displays it to the web browser (and it has Next and Prev links to make navigating a CB easier) Jul 02 19:09:44 and when it's done, it'll know how many pages are in a CB, have links to the next and prev volumes and have a book selector Jul 02 19:10:01 it extracts from pdf or what? Jul 02 19:10:08 cbr and cbz Jul 02 19:10:16 well, I haven't done the cbz support yet Jul 02 19:10:18 that's comic book format? Jul 02 19:10:22 yeah Jul 02 19:10:31 comic book rar and comic book zip Jul 02 19:10:43 basically just ar and zip files renamed to open with the right program Jul 02 19:10:51 rar* Jul 02 19:13:01 it appears that width=200% in an img tag doesn't do what you'd like it to (assuming you used that tag) so I'll have to do some extra jiggering for 2 page files Jul 02 19:17:30 I wonder if you could convert that to python. The conversion shouldn't be too big one.php and python are quite alike Jul 02 19:17:43 and pygame should be able to render those images really smoothly. Jul 02 19:23:23 Can I make the file manager do a copy as a result of a drag operation, instead of doing a "move"? Jul 02 19:25:39 konttori: you need python 2.5 or greater. Forgot to mention that. Jul 02 19:41:13 well, I found that opera does a great job with the images so why bother dealing with writing your own displayer? Installing nginx and php on the 770 is a snap Jul 02 19:41:31 though I don't know if the 770 php can do the unrar Jul 02 19:41:43 and it'd probably take forever to do it Jul 02 19:42:22 but I have a Apache on my desktop and all my comicbook files are there so I can just access them that way without taking up space on my 770 to store the cbr files Jul 02 19:43:10 I'm also gonna see if I can add PDF functionality. That'd be nice. To be able to extract a single page from a PDF as a graphic. But that wouldn't work on secured PDF files Jul 02 19:44:17 I think ghostscript will rasterize a PDF for you. Jul 02 19:46:20 well, there doesn't seem to be a php lib that does it... Jul 02 19:54:44 hmmm... apparently I could make an external call to ghostscript from PHP to get the image first... Jul 02 19:55:04 Ghostscript is pretty big though. Jul 02 19:58:12 im wondering if i can print.. have cupsys installed on a server, the server would have apache/php, somehow make a php script that takes uploaded files and sends them to cupsys ? can you print via php? Jul 02 19:58:24 it's on my PC not the 770 Jul 02 19:58:46 there's no way these scripts will run on a 770, the cpu just would die :-) Jul 02 19:59:07 KaylaKaze: Yeah. Should work ok then. Jul 02 20:00:35 Besides, the pdfs in question and the comic book files are pretty big themselves. It works much better to jsut connect to my home PC and stream them. That obviously won't allow it to work without net access though, but the evince and the default pdf viewer demonstrate that the 770 has difficulty with that stuff Jul 02 20:10:20 WHOA! I just found out that all this time 4NT has had line completion. I had gotten used to using tab when in my linux shell so I used it while in my windows shell and was shocked when it worked :-) Jul 02 20:10:54 Yep. Jul 02 20:11:13 I think you can configure the keycode that triggers it. Jul 02 20:11:36 eeekk... I need to clean my windows path. Imagmagick can't fit Jul 02 20:12:14 It works in the XP standard cmd too, though rather lamely by cycling all possible completions instead of showing them Jul 02 20:13:25 Better than nothin'. Jul 02 20:14:13 Said the flies sitting on a dungball Jul 02 20:14:24 (million flies can't be wrong, right?-) Jul 02 20:16:00 What I found wicked was when I accidentally scrolled the wheel on a (gnome-)terminal with 'less' open and it actually scrolled the text Jul 02 20:23:39 konttori i just notice i have UK player dark and light installed, and cannot remove 1 or the other via AM Jul 02 20:24:00 reason why they are installed seperately Jul 02 20:24:21 1 being in the extras folder and the other in a misc folder i created Jul 02 20:25:14 :-( GS can't handle my PopSci files Jul 02 20:25:51 209 users.... Jul 02 20:25:54 feck me Jul 02 20:31:42 http://store.apple.com/Apple/WebObjects/francestore.woa/wa/RSLID?mco=6C04E07A&nplm=TM258 Jul 02 20:31:49 cheap HDD anyone ? Jul 02 20:33:49 haha Jul 02 20:33:56 odd Jul 02 20:38:58 yay! I'll be able to do a lot of PDF files (though not all :-( ) Jul 02 20:39:39 ,... somone made a typo on that HD Jul 02 20:39:52 unless they mean it's an external enclosure that supports up to 1TB Jul 02 20:40:49 considering the price of the 500, I'm guessing someone dropped a 0 Jul 02 20:41:42 there. order filled and paid for Jul 02 20:42:12 hehehe Jul 02 20:42:46 I wonder if they'll ship to the US Jul 02 20:50:41 what's the name of that IM client that isn't GAIM? Jul 02 20:50:51 Pidgin is the new name for GAIM. Jul 02 20:53:39 I thought it wasn't gaim Jul 02 20:54:06 It is the same project, but AOL sued them over the name GAIM. Jul 02 20:56:04 oh ok. Jul 02 20:56:16 so I should uninstall gaim and install pidgin Jul 02 20:57:40 i was using gaim, but everytime i ran it, my menus would just flash and close when trying to navigate, so i switched to pidgin, having no problems Jul 02 21:03:58 GAIM worked for me, but Pidgin is newer/better, so I'd go with it. Gotta run. -X Jul 02 21:05:47 Pidgin _is_ GAIM - the developers had to rename GAIM to Pidgin after legal action from AOL... Jul 02 21:06:26 so how does one execute the browser from xterm? Jul 02 21:06:35 trying to make IDEA! work.. Jul 02 21:40:15 KaylaKaze, how were you browsing the filesystem in opera, again? file://localhost or something? Jul 02 21:41:49 nvm, got it Jul 02 21:53:54 how do I configure it so mplayer opens up when I click on a link for a m3u file in opera? Jul 02 21:54:02 instead of using the default audio player Jul 02 22:09:47 where's the home screen's search app store the past searches/history ? Jul 02 22:21:12 ericz: run-standalone.sh /usr/bin/browser --url=www.google.com Jul 02 22:21:32 thanks, i got that part :P how about the last question? Jul 02 22:21:33 put an & on the end to background the app Jul 02 22:21:50 sorry haven't been keeping up... what was your last q? Jul 02 22:22:07 home screen search? Jul 02 22:22:38 yeah Jul 02 22:22:53 where's it store the past searches? Jul 02 22:22:58 don't know, sorry... have you searched the filesystem>? Jul 02 22:23:07 sort of, but i don't know where to look Jul 02 22:26:18 you could do what i just did - search for something unusual, then grep the filesystem starting in /home/user... I searched for Centauri (Google) and searched using grep -i centauri `find . -print` Jul 02 22:26:27 my current directory at the time being /home/user Jul 02 22:26:31 and i was root Jul 02 22:26:45 ./.osso/mis/internet-search-applet.xml looks a likely candidate Jul 02 22:45:14 Im attempting to use boost::asio::ip::tcp to connect to a host, but I am getting errors in scratchbox "Unsupported syscall: 250" when it attempts to connect Jul 02 22:51:41 how long does a n800 take to charge? Jul 02 22:51:52 with it s power off? Jul 02 22:54:01 4 hours or so Jul 02 22:54:11 maybe less Jul 02 22:59:09 damnit Jul 02 22:59:27 ty. Jul 02 23:08:34 maemo planet screwed up for anyone else? Jul 02 23:08:55 looks like the formatting has gone haywire (in Firefox at least) during the first article... Jul 02 23:11:32 i think it's the post from Rodrigo Vivi ("n770 with a real usb keyboard") that is breaking Planet Maemo - he's got some two column layout thing going on Jul 02 23:36:57 I'm not sure if this is where I should ask for help but I have a nokia 770 and I have been installing applcations on it and they go in folders which are represented on that task launcher thing, does anyone know how to move these? Jul 02 23:37:58 Tools -> Control Panel -> Navigation Jul 02 23:38:13 oh hang on... you said 770... ummm Jul 02 23:38:37 what i said may apply, it certainly does on an N800 but I can't remember about the 770 Jul 02 23:42:21 I dont think that works, I can customize the task launcher thing but none of the folders where these applications are installed show up, like I installed ssh and it went into some 'other' folder and these folders don't show up on the cutimization page, do I need to access the filesystem or something? Jul 02 23:42:36 Do you have a button marked "Organize"? Jul 02 23:42:50 It may not exist in OS 2006 in which case you're out of luck Jul 02 23:43:56 yeah I have that and it comes up with like the same folders on both sides, none of the other folders are there Jul 02 23:44:20 ssh isn't normally run from the task bar Jul 02 23:44:26 or have an icon Jul 02 23:44:44 most gui-based apps go into Extras Jul 02 23:44:51 ssh is command line only Jul 02 23:44:58 oh ok I guess that is why Jul 02 23:45:13 because I know ssh works from the cl Jul 02 23:45:17 oh well thanks anyways Jul 02 23:45:20 yeah, that's all you get :) Jul 02 23:45:26 np Jul 02 23:47:56 there's an organize thing on 2006 Jul 03 00:18:43 * pupnik_ imagines a N900, a N901 with slide-out keyboard and N907 with a 7-inch 800x480 screen Jul 03 02:28:21 What's up bitches? Jul 03 02:34:03 http://www.bigheadpress.com/tpbtgn?page=1 Jul 03 02:34:08 reading a comic novel Jul 03 02:39:37 hey all, quick troubleshooting question: Jul 03 02:39:42 I'm having trouble with my Nokia 770 and my DGL-4300. Jul 03 02:39:42 I am able to connect to the router just fine, but when I try to connect to a webpage I get a 'network error'. Jul 03 02:39:42 The odd thing is that I can open up a web page if I just type in the IP address. Jul 03 02:39:42 Also I can connect to a media server on my internal network just fine. Jul 03 02:39:42 So I thought that it might be a DNS problem, so I tried manually assigning the DNS server IP (trying the router, my ISP DNS server, and a free dns server). No luck none of them did anything. Jul 03 02:39:43 The really odd thing is that I am sometime able to connect and browse the web (seems to work more often when I have left the device off for an extended period). Jul 03 02:39:46 Also I am able to connected to a neighbor's router and browse normally. Jul 03 02:39:48 I don't know wtf is going on. I've got the latest firmware for the router (1.8 I think), and the latest OS for the Nokia. Jul 03 02:39:51 I tried turning on and off every setting on the router that I thought could be causing a problem, but to no avail. Jul 03 02:39:54 I really hate wireless, it never works right. Jul 03 02:39:56 anyone have any suggestions on how to troubleshoot this? I not really familiar with linux, so I don't really know what options are open to me to attempt a fix. Jul 03 02:39:59 Thanks Jul 03 02:41:58 that sounds difficult Jul 03 02:43:49 yeah I think it is just not compatible with the router. But I wanted to see if anyone else has an idea Jul 03 02:43:57 indeed it does.. the whole part about only able to access websites with IP, but not hostname, is definently a DNS issue though Jul 03 02:44:51 Sounds like some portion of your network is blocking UDP -- some kind of firewall problem. That will kill DNS operation totally. Jul 03 02:46:33 hrmm, well other wireless computers are able to get to the net. Also the router acts as a DNS cache, but like I said, I tried manually setting the DNS server on the Nokia Jul 03 02:48:18 Yes, but even if you set the DNS server on the Nokia, if all of its UDP traffic to the outside world is getting lost, it won't work. Jul 03 02:49:44 Not sure why other systems would work and the Nokia wouldn't, but I'm telling you what circumstances fit your described failure mode. Jul 03 02:51:27 but what about the router acting as a dns server? you wouldn't need UDP traffic out of the router if the router was handeling the DNS... I'll look into it more to see if that might be the problem though Jul 03 02:52:47 I'm not specifying where the UDP loss is. Maybe it's between the Nokia and the router. I'm just saying, it smells like UDP loss. Jul 03 02:53:23 noted. Maybe i'll try sniffing the network to see if I can see the packets Jul 03 02:54:33 Good idea. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jul 03 02:59:57 2007