**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jul 03 02:59:57 2007 Jul 03 03:34:46 KaylaKaze. Jul 03 03:52:38 I got Canola working with local files using the instructions from k-s. And I have my MP3 share mounted, and configured in Canola Configure. But I have a suspicion that Canola isn't scanning that share. It's so close. I wish k-s were back to pick his brain. Jul 03 03:54:28 wtf.. it's working now. I hooked up a spare wireless router as an access point and it was working on that, then I was able to connect to my normal wireless router and get to the net. This is just odd. There must be something really odd about this router + the nokia 770. Oh well, maybe I'll just setup the other router as the permanent wireless access point. Jul 03 03:54:33 thanks for your help Jul 03 03:55:23 Glad it sort of worked. Would be nice to understand what the problem really was. Jul 03 03:57:03 It has to be a hardware conflict between the two, I can't think of anything else it could be. oh well, thanks again Jul 03 04:45:21 hi..how do I missing lib files Jul 03 04:46:18 First, form a complete sentence. Missing verb is a common problem. Jul 03 04:46:56 <`0660> i bet he's trying to install missing lib files Jul 03 04:48:11 <`0660> you'd be better of telling what you really want to achieve though... Jul 03 04:48:43 yes...how do I install missing library files...trying to install xgalaga Jul 03 04:48:56 what repository do I use? Jul 03 04:48:58 <`0660> that's better Jul 03 04:50:09 <`0660> http://xgalaga.garage.maemo.org/ Jul 03 04:50:41 what about for general lib files which are missing? Jul 03 04:51:10 <`0660> the general lib files (glibc) are installed already Jul 03 04:51:14 I added there but I couldn't find the missing lib.. hold..let me try again Jul 03 04:51:32 <`0660> you have to change to red pill mode to find them Jul 03 04:51:56 not general lib files. I mean is there a place which has all the various lib files you would need for any/most apps/game Jul 03 04:52:13 red pill? Jul 03 04:52:36 <`0660> yeah Jul 03 04:52:45 <`0660> try "red pill n800" in google Jul 03 04:53:24 I have a 700...same process? Jul 03 04:54:56 xgalaga mistral and user Jul 03 04:55:00 ? Jul 03 05:03:49 <`0660> according to the webpage you need to get to the red pill mode with n770 too Jul 03 05:14:18 It's just that he was all alone. Always by himself. Never anyone to share the game. A man who lived in dreams -- that's who he was. Jul 03 05:17:27 howdy Jul 03 05:29:33 * Xark finally gets the bluetooth keyboard paired! Geez, took many tries... Jul 03 05:32:25 Does anybody have any links to a "native" compiler (runs on N800)? I found one (g++-3.4) but its flakey and gets internal errors (so much so, it can't build another gcc). Jul 03 05:50:56 so do the red pill thing and then download xterm and ssh? Jul 03 05:51:55 Wzrd2: That worked for me. :-) Jul 03 05:52:30 and then how do I get the missing libraries Jul 03 05:52:40 trying now Jul 03 05:53:20 Wz: I missed your orignial question. What are you trying to do? Jul 03 05:54:30 * Xark didn't have too much trouble with anything on the "Application Download" catalog with an "install". Jul 03 05:54:30 get all the missing libraries that most programs need to install like libx ones Jul 03 05:55:23 libxpm4 Jul 03 05:55:26 Wzrd2: Hmm, well my experience is most will install their own dependencies (sometimes asking to add things to the catalog). Jul 03 05:55:41 i'm trying to install xgalaga Jul 03 05:56:02 the xgalaga.garage.maemo.org that someone told me to do didn't work Jul 03 05:56:09 Wzrd2: Hmm, I don't think I tried that one...(but I got most games). Jul 03 05:56:25 * Xark goes to look at it... Jul 03 05:56:27 it's missing libxpm4 Jul 03 05:57:27 Dungeon Hack would be a good gzme to port to 770 Jul 03 05:58:02 but since it's not open source, it'd probably be easier to port DosBox Jul 03 05:58:11 and play it under thaty Jul 03 05:58:51 KaylaKaze: Ooo, yes DOSBox would be great on the N800 (assuming its fast enough to play anything). Jul 03 06:00:24 do you know how to get libxpm4 Jul 03 06:01:27 it'd be better on the 770 Jul 03 06:01:32 nope Jul 03 06:03:27 I suppose someone could make a new version of Dungeon Hack using D&D 3.5 rules instead of the AD&D 2ed rules used for the originaly DH... I had almost done that for Neverwinter Nights but never got around to it. Jul 03 06:03:55 KaylaKaze: I doubt the VFP would be useful for DosBox, so I imagine it could work on either (perhaps a bit faster on N800). I just purchased this N800, so I am not familiar with the N770. Jul 03 06:04:23 I only have a 770 so I want everything to run on a 770 :-P Jul 03 06:04:51 KaylaKaze: I suspected that. :-) Jul 03 06:05:01 tomorrow I should have my comic book/pdf viewing system done, or at least mostly done Jul 03 06:06:09 Does N800 support realplayer files? It pretends too, but won't play any NPR (among others). Anybody know? Jul 03 06:06:52 Some older format I am guessing... Jul 03 06:06:59 probably not unless mplayer can handle it Jul 03 06:07:12 KaylaKaze: Is that for specially formatted comic book PDFs? Jul 03 06:07:16 anyone know how to get the libxpm4 library? Jul 03 06:07:33 I just did the red pill thing and installed ssh and osso-xterm Jul 03 06:07:33 No, it's for CBR and CBZ files as well as non secure PDFs Jul 03 06:07:57 but it requires you to be connected to your pc via network Jul 03 06:08:05 abd your media be stored on the pc Jul 03 06:08:33 KaylaKaze: Interesting. Jul 03 06:08:43 and a web server with PHP on your PC Jul 03 06:08:52 and Ghostscript for PDF file handling :-) Jul 03 06:09:01 KaylaKaze: So the Nokia is some kind of client? Jul 03 06:09:23 KaylaKaze: Where the PC does the "heavy lifting"? Jul 03 06:09:26 what it pretty much does, is extracts a page from a PDF or a CBR/CBZ, and serves it to the web browser on a page with navigation links and book selection and such Jul 03 06:10:04 Yeah, pretty much. I was trying to find a good image client on it to read comic book pages and noticed that Opera does a WONDERFUL job with that Jul 03 06:10:05 KaylaKaze: Ahh, I see. Uses web client, so its basically a specialized HTTP server. Jul 03 06:10:22 or a specialized section of an already existing web server Jul 03 06:10:31 KaylaKaze: Right. Sounds cool. Jul 03 06:11:12 the nokia still takes a little time to render a new page, but no where near the time it takes to render in the PDF reader or Envince Jul 03 06:11:35 KaylaKaze: So far I am just using the N800 as a (tiny) generic linux box. Trying to gather as many normal dev tools as feasable (but having trouble with a dicey native compiler). Jul 03 06:11:48 I suppose, though, that if you extact your CBR/CBZ/or PDF files into images you could stick them on your MC and browse them with Opera for book reading Jul 03 06:12:11 KaylaKaze: How long between pages? Jul 03 06:12:23 full color, about 5 seconds maybe Jul 03 06:12:34 manga, 1 or 2 tops Jul 03 06:12:57 KaylaKaze: Thats not too bad. Like a typical web site (if not better). Jul 03 06:13:34 I tried to find a way to precache the image, so it's being processed while you're looking at the other and then have it flip like a double buffer, but it seems opera only renders the picture when it becomes visible Jul 03 06:14:00 the code double buffers though Jul 03 06:14:48 KaylaKaze: Is minimo (sp?) any faster? I kind of liked it but its a bit "too beta" currently. Jul 03 06:14:49 I've got it working with CBR files, so I just gotta pop in the PDF and CBZ stuff. Then I have to make the file browsing and make it more intelligent Jul 03 06:15:21 I use minimo for my DND character sheet, but I wasn't able to get it started for some reason to test the reader Jul 03 06:15:39 we need a better flash than 6 on the nokia Jul 03 06:16:41 well, minimo seems to be running now so let's try it Jul 03 06:17:49 * Xark wishes Google reader got along better with Opera... Jul 03 06:18:39 Wzrd2: OK, I get the same libxpm4 issue as you. Hunting for it now... Jul 03 06:20:40 does anyone know why i would get this error: /usr/lib/libgtkhtml-3.8.so: undefined reference to `regexec@GLIBC_2.3.4' when trynig to compile the example code at the very top of this page: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/Maemo_tutorial_bora.html Jul 03 06:21:20 the double buffering works better in minimo Jul 03 06:21:32 but the minimo doesn't go full screen :-( Jul 03 06:21:51 KaylaKaze: minimo can go fullscreen throguh the menu, but the fullscreen button doest work properly Jul 03 06:21:55 oh, yes it does, justg not with the button Jul 03 06:21:59 yeah Jul 03 06:22:05 :) Jul 03 06:22:51 anyone know about my error just trying to compile the simple example? Jul 03 06:24:24 wow! the double buffering works REAL goof inm Minimo... but it seems sometimes the pictures don't process right Jul 03 06:25:47 http://kaylakaze.sytes.net/databases/test.php?rname=spawn/spawn%20%23001.cbr Jul 03 06:25:47 KaylaKaze: what is double buffering Jul 03 06:26:03 the first couple pages don't work right yet, but after that it works good Jul 03 06:26:54 double buffering (along with page flipping) is when you render 2 scenes, one visible, the next not, then you flip them and draw the next scene on the previous "canvas" Jul 03 06:27:49 cool Jul 03 06:27:54 just makes it faster i giess? Jul 03 06:27:55 *guess Jul 03 06:29:02 Wzrd2: Hmm, I can find the package, for armrel even, but not with the right libc version. Jul 03 06:29:04 yeah Jul 03 06:29:35 it'll also make it sqitch pages easier when you're connected over the internet to your home system instead of WLAN Jul 03 06:29:37 Wzrd2: I need to figure out how to compile source packages (if my ricketty compiler allows it). Jul 03 06:30:34 * Xark is not well verses in the Debian arts yet... Jul 03 06:32:43 BTW, is there a *working* VMWare maemo development image around? I couldn't get it past "grub loading"... Jul 03 06:33:28 I got one that works Jul 03 06:33:30 * Xark read a suggestion that it only works with certain host PC CPUs. Jul 03 06:33:38 but it's only 3.1 sdk Jul 03 06:33:50 KaylaKaze: Hmmm, isn't that the latest? Jul 03 06:33:57 I have the same problem with 2.2 sdk on it as I do on my ubuntu Jul 03 06:34:05 yes, but not 770 compatible Jul 03 06:34:47 I still have to figure out how I'm gonna handle double size pages on the comic viewer... Jul 03 06:34:54 KaylaKaze: Hmm, but its what I think I need. I found the image, downloaded it and it unbzip2'd OK, but VMWare player doesn't boot it right. Jul 03 06:35:15 weird, my vmware did Jul 03 06:35:32 KaylaKaze: Probably because my laptop is dual core or something. Jul 03 06:35:41 maybe Jul 03 06:36:26 I was kind of bummed. I'll have to resurrect/build another Linux box (eventually). Jul 03 06:38:42 * Xark runs off to get in a bit of playtime on his new "Darkness" PS3 game... Jul 03 06:57:56 anyone interested in printing on N800? :-) Jul 03 07:00:20 anyone familiar with CUPS on Linux? Jul 03 07:04:03 komarov, how are you going about it...bluetooth? Jul 03 07:05:59 hmm.. Jul 03 07:06:26 might be able to share your printer like you share folders in XP Jul 03 07:07:49 yeah! Jul 03 07:23:20 http://www.spectec.com.tw/products_detal.asp?dptype=v1sdv841 Jul 03 07:23:27 this could be usefull Jul 03 08:08:31 Morning, all Jul 03 08:11:09 sup Jaffa Jul 03 09:30:46 hi Jul 03 09:30:50 where is the ESC key ? Jul 03 09:31:21 the "back" key in the keypad Jul 03 09:31:51 oh! Jul 03 09:32:02 I just mapped one of the hotkeys in the terminal, but that would be useful for vim Jul 03 09:32:32 yse under vim and n800 Jul 03 09:32:43 seems not to be easy Jul 03 09:32:47 the editor of champions! Jul 03 09:39:27 thx suihkulokki Jul 03 10:42:24 whee, my n800 comes today :D Jul 03 10:43:46 Tu13es: w00t! ;) Jul 03 10:43:57 gotta love amazon prime :) Jul 03 10:44:03 indeed Jul 03 10:44:19 anyways, off to work Jul 03 11:05:46 * pupnik points at DrPocketSnes Jul 03 11:11:24 hehe, still working on getting it ported =) Jul 03 11:11:48 you're working on DrPocketSnes? Jul 03 11:12:02 nah but i looked it last week when i saw you brought up the topic =) Jul 03 11:12:07 oh right Jul 03 11:17:23 you always pointing at the Dr. Jul 03 11:17:35 whats the status of your port? Jul 03 11:18:36 micheal770 you should release the gnupaint source....the 770 version you have on the blogspot does not work on the n800. Jul 03 11:18:49 give someone a chance to port it for the n800 Jul 03 11:18:57 "port" Jul 03 11:19:02 you mean "recompile" Jul 03 11:19:06 yeah Jul 03 11:19:13 are you micheal770 Jul 03 11:19:29 ;) Jul 03 11:19:43 is there an easy way to mount an nfs share? Jul 03 11:19:46 on the n770? Jul 03 11:19:57 i think you need an nfs-enabled kernel Jul 03 11:20:18 my DrPocketSnes is a total mess right now - mashing together elements of Snes9X and the gp2x tree Jul 03 11:20:23 pupnik: isn't there something userland? Jul 03 11:20:24 http://michaels770.blogspot.com/2006/04/gnupaint770.html Jul 03 11:20:35 who is this micheals770 Jul 03 11:21:22 Afaik no edistar, normal nfs needs to hook into the kernel's filesystem-handling - to make it look transparent Jul 03 11:21:22 a german ;) Jul 03 11:21:30 pupnik: thanks Jul 03 11:21:38 pupnik: is it hard to get that kernel? Jul 03 11:22:13 no it's online - variety of kernels for it2006. one of them supports high speed mode on the mmc also Jul 03 11:22:29 that sounds good ;) Jul 03 11:22:36 well, I have to be off, cya soon! Jul 03 11:22:46 cu Jul 03 11:23:15 i think i spent about 50 hours on it unique311 :/ Jul 03 11:24:41 ~seen micheals770 Jul 03 11:24:43 koen: i haven't seen 'micheals770' Jul 03 11:24:52 looks like he isn't on irc Jul 03 11:24:54 the biggest issue is still framebuffer to sdl rendering ? Jul 03 11:26:09 pupnik: How far are you of a working version of that snes emu? Jul 03 11:26:58 i don't know. Jul 03 11:27:23 wow, a new weapon called metal storm, can fire 1 million rounds in 1 minute. Jul 03 11:27:24 why Jul 03 11:27:38 heh metal storm is 2 years old at least Jul 03 11:27:54 true.. Jul 03 11:28:00 they're mainly selling it for puncturing armor - the rounds hit the same spot Jul 03 11:28:01 re-runs of future weapons Jul 03 11:29:03 you might be interested in 'railguns' too Jul 03 11:29:21 how much does a million tons weigh? Jul 03 11:29:29 err Jul 03 11:29:33 how much does a million *rounds* weigh? Jul 03 11:29:49 how much does 1 round weight depends on the round Jul 03 11:29:51 i guess Jul 03 11:30:18 it doesn't fire for a minute Jul 03 11:30:19 I was just thinking how big an ammo truck you'd need following you if you planned to keep shooting for more than a few seconds Jul 03 11:30:21 just short burtsts Jul 03 11:30:30 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zx_9_RgMPCE Jul 03 11:30:32 at work Jul 03 11:32:38 i was thinking the same mgedmin, thats alot of bullets... Jul 03 11:32:50 to be carrying around. Jul 03 11:35:46 in an alternate universe, we'd have /dev/fb0 Jul 03 11:40:39 don't we Jul 03 11:40:54 the its present Jul 03 11:41:21 you only need to change one kernel config option to make it behave like a normal framebuffer Jul 03 11:43:44 wow Jul 03 11:44:21 still "try my game! (custom kernel required)" won't be too popular Jul 03 11:47:22 lol Jul 03 11:47:50 custom kernel is never too popular with the regular user Jul 03 11:47:52 just put a patch online Jul 03 11:48:01 gentoo will sooner or later integrate it in their standard kernel Jul 03 12:23:52 anyone know where I can download the OS 2006 firmware? Jul 03 12:38:23 from nokia n800 support page Jul 03 12:39:04 http://europe.nokia.com/link?cid=PLAIN_TEXT_7185 Jul 03 12:47:29 what do you need the custom kernel/fb for? Jul 03 12:54:36 anyone with 770 in handy ? Could someone provide me any file generated in notes which has some formatting and space characters .. Jul 03 13:00:23 anyone know if there's any way to sync an n770 and google calendar in any way? Jul 03 13:00:35 or, does anyone know of a better calendar app than gpe-calendar? Jul 03 13:06:39 i have been told 'dates' does it... Jul 03 13:06:42 but i never try Jul 03 13:07:30 ffffff Jul 03 13:07:39 this is interesting http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7198 Jul 03 13:11:22 hi, is it possible to rotate my whole desktop 180º pleaae? Jul 03 13:12:18 rebroad:you can turn the whole n800/770 180deg Jul 03 13:12:20 ;-] Jul 03 13:12:37 hey dudes Jul 03 13:13:00 rebroad:i do not think the X11 server has the features yet Jul 03 13:13:44 hola eugene Jul 03 13:13:52 yes, i'd prefer to hold my n800 with the bulge at the bottom Jul 03 13:14:04 melmoth: brother. here i am, going online secretly :) Jul 03 13:14:54 rebroad:no, this not possible with the current version Jul 03 13:15:46 * mgedmin wonders whether he should teach rebroad the difference between U+00B0 DEGREE SIGN (°) and U+00BA MASCULINE ORDINAL INDICATOR (º) Jul 03 13:16:09 speaking of which, the nokia virtual keybord doesn't have a degree sign in it Jul 03 13:16:12 surprised me Jul 03 13:16:29 if i was willing to patch the xserver myself (assuming it's possible), how easy would it be to share with others and remain compatible with other nokia supplied software please? Jul 03 13:17:01 Depends how much you modify the xserver Jul 03 13:17:17 i'm using the builtin keyboard - quite slow to type! Jul 03 13:18:45 I built a xserver with composite extension enabled and kulve has it in his debian repo, so all one has to do is to add the repo and then install some program that depends on that particular version (in this case xcompmgr) to upgrade the X (and naturally reboot :) Jul 03 13:19:00 shame the dev env needs linux... i have xp as my main os on the desktop . Jul 03 13:19:00 I haven't seen anything break because of that Jul 03 13:19:23 rebroad: there are a few vmware-player images around Jul 03 13:19:54 gregul, ah, that'd help Jul 03 13:20:34 http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/ Jul 03 13:20:49 ruh, what's the composite extension needed for please? Jul 03 13:21:18 anyone know why I can't add m3u playlists to audio player? Jul 03 13:21:57 hi all Jul 03 13:22:09 rebroad: funky drop-shadows, fade effects etc. Jul 03 13:22:22 zuh: what's the performance like without being able to use the PowerVR? Jul 03 13:22:33 Some eye candy would really help sell the N800 Jul 03 13:22:46 anyone here managed to get orb working with the builtin mediaplayer? Jul 03 13:23:23 i have bought a bt keyborad but my n800 dont recognized it (it said : no category ) what can i do ? Jul 03 13:24:07 the kb is like this http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320122416044 Jul 03 13:24:51 thanks gregul , zuh for the replies Jul 03 13:25:26 Jaffa: Performance of which, xcompanager or the server in general? Jul 03 13:25:47 xcompmanager is not too fast, fade-in is only possible with small windows Jul 03 13:25:53 cfh try http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/ ? Jul 03 13:26:24 zuh: xcompmgr/composite in general Jul 03 13:26:29 Jaffa: The shadows don't seem to make a big difference though Jul 03 13:26:37 melmoth : ok thank youu Jul 03 13:26:37 zuh:do you know if the gfx chipset is upto alpha channels and the like? Jul 03 13:26:38 zuh: that's quite cool, then. Jul 03 13:26:52 cfh: without looking it *may* not be HID-compatible. Look for "kbdd" Jul 03 13:27:35 Jaffa: I made this little tester app that collects open windows in a grid, it seems to be able to update the contents of those real-time Jul 03 13:27:58 Jaffa: But other than that, I haven't really done any real profiling Jul 03 13:27:59 jaffa ok in fact my kb is not HID compatibile but is a generic kb Jul 03 13:28:09 zuh: exposé like? Jul 03 13:28:25 Jaffa: Far from it, but kind of... :) Jul 03 13:28:26 * Jaffa would love to play with that ;-) Jul 03 13:28:26 i never really understood why one would want an external keyboard for the n800/770. i mean, surely it'd just be better to buy a device that had one included Jul 03 13:28:29 do you know where is the maemo map HID list v? Jul 03 13:28:49 rebroad: there is no maemo device with built in kb Jul 03 13:29:03 rebroad: what device is the same size shape and runs Linux? netBook Pro was best option but the Linux one was never properly available and cost a fortune. Asus Eee PC looks very interesting, though. Jul 03 13:30:37 gregul: There is no chip to use at this point, only thing resebling graphics chip there is the LCD controller and that only does some scaling and color conversion AFAIK. The 3D chip *might* help in composting or then not. I don't really know about it and no drivers available so it's a bit moot point... Jul 03 13:32:46 zuh:interesting, thanks Jul 03 13:36:52 that chip was briefly mentioned in the maemo-devel list this/last week Jul 03 13:38:30 it said that there is a 3d chip in the device but there are no drivers for it. (and i think it also mentioned or atleast, thats how i understood that actually there is drivers but not for 2.4/2.6 kernels and manufacturer of the chip is not interested in porting and/or they are not oss) Jul 03 13:39:33 jani:drag, i imagine that chip could give the n800 some nice bling Jul 03 13:40:56 melmoth: have you tried to cross-compile armv6 apps on i386? Jul 03 13:41:12 yes Jul 03 13:41:21 well, the other way around Jul 03 13:41:34 melmoth: explain :) Jul 03 13:41:35 gregul: well, there was also some discussion about that. Jul 03 13:41:43 i'll paste the stuff i find it. Jul 03 13:41:57 well , the regular porting stuff. Taking the source, and compiling it on scratxhbox under the arm target Jul 03 13:41:57 melmoth: saw your mail, thanks so much :) Jul 03 13:42:05 ah ok. Jul 03 13:42:46 was it not the kind of compilation you were thinking about ? Jul 03 13:43:05 Well the problem is in pushing full frames from internal framebuffer in Jul 03 13:43:05 SRAM to external memory on video chip. This means you won't have best Jul 03 13:43:07 framerate when doing fullscreen updates in 800x480. Jul 03 13:43:17 thats what i'm talking about Jul 03 13:43:35 ok :) Jul 03 13:43:38 that because of bus and memory bandwidth Jul 03 13:44:13 It usually worked smoothly. I compile stuff for arm usually only once everything works fine in the x86 target Jul 03 13:44:33 melmoth: i'm trying it out now Jul 03 13:52:17 jani: It's not only said, there *is* a 3D chip on the device ;) Comes with the package, costs extra to get licence for the drivers. Dunno about how it actually goes hardware/memory wise though, IIRC the whole board is targeted for 640x480 anyway, which I guess is part of the problem for N800... Jul 03 13:53:31 zuh: yes. Jul 03 13:53:55 i know, i read the thread =) Jul 03 13:54:05 so 800x480 no 3D or 640x480 3D? Jul 03 13:54:22 any mode , no 3d =) Jul 03 13:54:35 because of licensing Jul 03 13:55:43 what if the license part of the problem gets handled...how would 3D work then? Jul 03 14:01:44 is there a scratchbox mirror? gee, it's so slow here Jul 03 14:51:03 is there a way to edit your app menu? Jul 03 14:53:11 KaylaKaze, http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/howto_new_application_bora.html Jul 03 14:53:23 see the 'Adding Application To Menu' section Jul 03 15:16:11 Can the Nokia 770 's RAM be upgraded? How? Soldering involved? Jul 03 15:17:24 <`0660> who would do that? Jul 03 15:17:48 people Jul 03 15:17:51 <`0660> oh Jul 03 15:52:31 what od i have to do to get openvpn running on 2006.3? i've tried following the directions on the application catalog here: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationCatalog2006 Jul 03 15:52:51 but it give me invalid installation package Jul 03 15:54:08 nm, looks like installing from command line fixed it Jul 03 15:59:23 bstock: I've had packages (smbfs) that refused to install from app manager, but worked from command line. Don't understand why yet. Jul 03 16:02:43 so...i've installed xterm onto my nokia 770, and bash....i was wondering how to get xterm to default to bash instead of busybox, is it possible? Jul 03 16:04:21 chsh? Jul 03 16:13:02 Well, that page didn't help at all when it comes to editing the app menu Jul 03 16:13:53 KaylaKaze, did you see my message last night that I got Canola to work with local media files (on the MMC card)? Jul 03 16:14:21 no, but I think it's supposed to do stuff on MMC easily, isn't it? Jul 03 16:15:28 Seems to work with anything in the local FS, if you configure it right. Can't seem to get it to see my smbfs shared files though. Nice UI though. Jul 03 16:15:35 that Fuppes crashes to much to be useful :-( Jul 03 16:15:52 Did you check out SlimServer? Jul 03 16:15:58 where is it's config files? I was looking for them but only found dbs Jul 03 16:16:19 I haven't figured that out yet either. Jul 03 16:17:53 well, how do you configure it locally? if I can do that, I should be able to get it to do share Jul 03 16:18:11 though mplayer does shares no problem except mplayer is cmdline interfadcew Jul 03 16:19:22 hi Jul 03 16:19:32 I need to find a good upnp server. SimpleCenter alphabetizes everything which sucks Jul 03 16:19:55 If it didn't do that, it'd be good Jul 03 16:20:20 appart from deleting everythign from my c:\ on installation, that is Jul 03 16:20:21 so is it worth upgrading from 2006 to 2007? Jul 03 16:20:30 KaylaKaze: to use with media streamer client? Jul 03 16:20:58 Spec: do you have n770? Jul 03 16:21:01 or canola Jul 03 16:21:23 KaylaKaze: for win or linux? Jul 03 16:21:28 Andy80_: yes Jul 03 16:22:20 win Jul 03 16:22:32 Spec: me too, and I use os2006, the 2007 is not supported officially and could be unstble Jul 03 16:22:50 but the 2007 release has spider solitaire... :p Jul 03 16:22:51 Kayla: SimpleCenter == SlimServer? Jul 03 16:23:06 no. slimserver doesn't seem to do vide Jul 03 16:23:10 video Jul 03 16:23:15 Spec: .... :) Jul 03 16:24:09 on the fly downsampling of video would be a nice feature :-) Jul 03 16:24:29 the only reason I could upgrade to 2007 is to use skype.... if it will run on it off course Jul 03 16:26:44 Ahh. Ok. Too bad on SlimServer. Jul 03 16:28:24 is there a nice podcast client for maemo? something like democracy would be great Jul 03 16:29:00 Looks like Canola does podcasts, but I'm not a pod person, so I can't comment on the usability of it. Jul 03 16:29:24 Andy80_: it's possible for me to cross compile aiseriot(spider solitaire) and repackage it for os06, right? Jul 03 16:31:18 Spec: I think yes... why not? Jul 03 16:33:18 Anyone know how to contact "k-s" off-IRC? I think he's involved in Canola, and I need to pick his brains about Canola's config and database files. Jul 03 16:35:08 I have canola allegedly scanning my mounted directories now Jul 03 16:35:20 Is it taking a long time? Jul 03 16:35:27 yeah Jul 03 16:36:02 but it would take a long time on my pc accessing them locally... the thing is it doesn't look like my hd is being accessed Jul 03 16:36:09 Hmm. Mine just "blipped" and finished, which makes me think it didn't succeed. I wonder if it's an ownership issue with the mounted share or something? Canola ought to be able to read it. File Manager can. Jul 03 16:36:25 oh, it says it finished Jul 03 16:36:32 Interested to see if it worked. Jul 03 16:36:59 nope Jul 03 16:37:19 :( Jul 03 16:37:23 I think it's broken Jul 03 16:37:29 It's soooooo close though. Jul 03 16:38:49 just use mplayer Jul 03 16:39:38 Icky UI though. I want something that is usable by n00bs. Jul 03 16:40:43 go to xterm, type mplayer -playlist "/home/user/MyDocs/mp3s/" & and it'll go fine Jul 03 16:40:53 pr dont' use & Jul 03 16:41:13 'cause if that works, you won't be able to control it Jul 03 16:42:43 Eh, I'll just keep hacking on Canola. Like you, I'd like to get a nice UPnP server set up eventually, to run nice rich clients like that. Jul 03 16:44:40 mplayer gave me this message on a video file "Your system is too SLOW to play this!" Jul 03 16:44:56 Biiiiig ;) Jul 03 16:45:15 Not pulling punches it is. No sugar coating. Jul 03 16:46:59 the sound for the video will play Jul 03 16:47:28 so if i want a program to work on the n770/maemo i just cross-compile for arm architecture? Jul 03 16:48:07 yes, in a maemo environment Jul 03 16:48:22 see the scratchbox howto Jul 03 16:49:02 from scratchbox.org or from maemo.org? Jul 03 16:49:32 and how do i know if i'm usiming maemo2.x or 3.x? Jul 03 16:50:06 grrr I can't get mplayer to shut down completely Jul 03 16:50:20 I had that problem too, Kayla. Jul 03 16:50:49 Spec, for a 770 you want 2.2 iirc Jul 03 16:50:50 I'm sending it kill -15s and I killed most of it's threads but one is still hanging on Jul 03 16:51:03 Why not kill -9? Jul 03 16:52:03 spec, oh scratchbox - nm Jul 03 16:54:07 here scratchbox 1.0.7 Jul 03 16:54:14 scratcbox = maemo sdk? Jul 03 16:54:27 i'm reading the maemo_2.2_tutorial now Jul 03 16:54:30 basically it is yeah Jul 03 16:54:47 'k, i'll keep reading this inbetween working Jul 03 16:57:51 maemo 3.0 -> OS2007/bora -> nokia 800 Jul 03 16:58:02 somebody stop me if i'm saying something wrong Jul 03 16:58:06 any of you recommend a specific screen protector for the n800? Jul 03 17:04:14 scratchbox is the cross-compilation toolkit/chains, what's maemo SDK? for gui apps? Jul 03 17:08:08 a set of libraries for compiling apps for maemo Jul 03 17:08:43 Hey. Jul 03 17:09:21 Is it possible to create new input methods for the N770 and set them up in a way that adds them to the Input Method list alongside the standard ones? Jul 03 17:09:26 if i wanted an app to run on my n770, in bash, does it need maemo libraries? Jul 03 17:11:59 not necessarily Jul 03 17:12:23 but you want the hildon lib to make it looks nice Jul 03 17:12:36 look nice? it's a terminal app Jul 03 17:13:00 if you mean a compiled C program, you compile it in scratchbox Jul 03 17:13:10 'da Jul 03 17:13:11 if it just print stuff to stdout you dont need libosso. Jul 03 17:13:32 'k, libosso = maemo lib? Jul 03 17:13:38 one of them. Jul 03 17:14:05 you have the osso stuff wich is about.. heu , like a dbus stuff , communication between process Jul 03 17:14:30 you have to build in the maemo environment, so your program will be linked to the maemo versions of curses, libc whatever Jul 03 17:14:31 and hildon, wich is the gui, so hildon is needed to have the same look and feel than other app, or so i guess Jul 03 17:15:10 yep. Jul 03 17:15:33 but most terminal apps will compile out of the box Jul 03 17:15:46 pupnik: Is there a compiler on the N770? Jul 03 17:15:54 pupnik: And can I get one? Jul 03 17:16:09 no gcc that I saw Jul 03 17:16:13 Yikes. THat would be SLOW. Jul 03 17:16:20 just use python Jul 03 17:16:32 someone posted mentioning he had a gcc on it, but that's not recommended Jul 03 17:16:33 Xenon3DN: Oh, it's 250 MHz. I've used Gentoo, which compiles everything, on a 333 MHz box with only 128 MB of RAM. Jul 03 17:16:43 pupnik: It's just for playing. Jul 03 17:17:25 ttuttle: You don't deny it would be SLOW, however. Jul 03 17:17:31 performance is somewhat equivalent to a pentium 75 mhz Jul 03 17:17:43 pupnik: Really? I thought ARM was faster. Jul 03 17:18:11 and what exactly is sbrsh for? :p Jul 03 17:18:33 pupnik: Oh, and do you know any general ways to speed up the N770? Jul 03 17:18:42 it uses the 770 cpu to compile the arm code. use qemu instead Jul 03 17:18:57 Spec: execution of binaries from scratchbox on a real device Jul 03 17:19:15 over the tubes? Jul 03 17:19:43 what florian said - i think it executes them on it too - when you run your compiled app Jul 03 17:19:46 We need some better homepage applets. Jul 03 17:20:14 we all want different things. I want a fast SNES emulator :P Jul 03 17:20:52 i'd love snes9x :P Jul 03 17:20:54 Good luck with that :p Jul 03 17:20:54 I want a Fire Emblem type game Jul 03 17:20:56 Not enough CPU Jul 03 17:21:13 it can emulate GB, right? Jul 03 17:21:31 seriously though, i want netcat/sendip/telnet, i can't believe there's no port for os2006 Jul 03 17:21:37 i compiled snes9x if you want to try it Jul 03 17:21:41 well, I have a GBA. I want one designed for it that uses the touchscreen and has online multiplayer Jul 03 17:21:50 runs chrono trigger without sound at about 5 fps Jul 03 17:21:53 ericz: there is Jul 03 17:21:58 where? Jul 03 17:22:08 5 whole fps? that's good enough Jul 03 17:22:41 DrPocketSnes would be about three times as fast, with sound Jul 03 17:22:57 <||cw> has anyone tried to get a replacement cover the 770? Jul 03 17:23:08 trying to find where I saw it Jul 03 17:23:15 What exactly is the "maemo 3.x Bora SDK Repository"? Jul 03 17:23:19 telnet anyway. Had somne other networking tools too. Jul 03 17:23:42 anybody going to see transformers tonight or already did? Jul 03 17:23:52 KaylaKaze, have a look here http://pygame.org/projects/22/184/ Jul 03 17:24:16 with some slight modification (screen size as far as i remember) it works on the tablet. Jul 03 17:24:17 unique311: should i? Jul 03 17:24:19 not me... did you hear that the movie features a Nokia 770 unique311 ? Jul 03 17:24:26 Already saw it. Jul 03 17:24:27 yes Jul 03 17:24:38 how was it nunim Jul 03 17:24:40 the movie has a 770 in it? Jul 03 17:24:41 Decent. Jul 03 17:24:45 overhype Jul 03 17:24:46 Worth seeing. Jul 03 17:24:50 http://maemo.org/downloads/product/busybox/ Jul 03 17:24:52 but not like OMG TRANSFORMERS OMG MOMG Jul 03 17:25:10 Dr_Nunim: i was plannin on seeing it on the basis that it failed Jul 03 17:25:12 well to people who grew up seeing the cartoon.. Jul 03 17:25:18 if it's "decent", that's even more of a reason to watch it. Jul 03 17:25:24 probably is oMGGG Jul 03 17:25:38 KaylaKaze, the homepage link is 404 and there's no install file Jul 03 17:25:41 I grew up watching the cartoon. Jul 03 17:25:44 OK Jul 03 17:25:46 I only wish they used the same voice actors. Jul 03 17:25:47 SAME HERE Jul 03 17:25:50 That would have been, wow. Jul 03 17:25:56 What is "Maemo" itself? Is it the OS running on the tablet, or the SDK? Jul 03 17:26:12 ttuttle: from what i gathered, it's the OS on the tablet Jul 03 17:26:12 optimist prime is the first thing i remember drawing. Jul 03 17:26:17 new voices? Jul 03 17:26:28 KaylaKaze, http://themanaworld.org/ is also easily compiled for the n800, and the size screen is easy to change as well Jul 03 17:26:32 are the voices close to original? Jul 03 17:26:36 big problem is... the keyboard Jul 03 17:26:41 No, very different. Jul 03 17:26:43 so bumble bee don't sound like bumbebee Jul 03 17:26:49 Nope. Jul 03 17:26:49 startscream Jul 03 17:26:55 thats not good Jul 03 17:27:01 They don't really talk that much Jul 03 17:27:03 You'll see. Jul 03 17:27:04 http://maemo.lancode.de/?path=./binarys&PHPSESSID=135fe96d744c5c99b1770187705da7b6 has telnet Jul 03 17:27:18 why would you want telnet? :p Jul 03 17:27:22 There was a large amount of product placement too. Jul 03 17:27:29 Spec, i want something i can port knock with Jul 03 17:27:33 Dr_Nunim: can you name some? Jul 03 17:27:41 i thought you used ping to port knock? Jul 03 17:27:46 GMC, Mountain Dew, Pontiac, Camaro, among others. Jul 03 17:27:53 you can't ping a specific port, can you Jul 03 17:28:23 770 Jul 03 17:29:04 I didn't even see the 770. Jul 03 17:29:09 you could just 'echo moo' > /dev/tcp/$HOST/$PORT Jul 03 17:29:10 the only reason the 770 is getting so much movie time...is because the N800 wasn't out when those movies were being made Jul 03 17:29:21 unique311: ...and 'cause the N770 is cooler! ;-) Jul 03 17:29:26 <_Shurik_> ping a specific port? Jul 03 17:29:35 <_Shurik_> I didn't know icmp had a port Jul 03 17:29:44 next year is probably the year the N800 gets movie time Jul 03 17:29:45 yeah, heh Jul 03 17:29:47 apparantly it doesn't, i'm hallucinating. Jul 03 17:29:55 <_Shurik_> telnet port Jul 03 17:29:59 <_Shurik_> should do the port test trick Jul 03 17:30:16 _Shurik_: the problem is lack of telnet Jul 03 17:30:50 i just installed the port of telnet KaylaKaze linked, about to test it Jul 03 17:31:02 Has anyone integrated the upgrades between Maemo 3.0 and 3.1 into the Hacker Edition? Jul 03 17:31:15 TMNT ANT Transformers at the same time! WTF!? Jul 03 17:31:33 I do remember they mentioned a Nokia and someone said it was made in Japan. Jul 03 17:31:36 And I was like WHAT! Jul 03 17:32:01 ooh, it worked, thanks KaylaKaze Jul 03 17:32:13 <_Shurik_> I'd think that iPhone would be a next thing in the movies Jul 03 17:32:23 It will Jul 03 17:32:25 Next year. Jul 03 17:32:30 <_Shurik_> yep Jul 03 17:32:35 sure thing Jul 03 17:32:49 <_Shurik_> I wanna see "hackers" get into pentagon by tilting iPhone the right way Jul 03 17:32:57 770 is cooler...lol Jul 03 17:32:58 ok Jul 03 17:33:02 lol Jul 03 17:33:03 to 770 owners... Jul 03 17:33:19 you have to tilt the iPhone the correct way to hack into pentagon? Jul 03 17:33:27 Obviously Jul 03 17:33:29 Is there any development -- official or third-party -- taking place on the Hacker Edition OS for the 770? Jul 03 17:33:29 <_Shurik_> and bump it a bit Jul 03 17:33:30 it can't just hack the pentagon sitting flat on a desk? :-/ Jul 03 17:33:44 No, you have to tilt it to open ultra secret dev mode. Jul 03 17:33:47 good hack movie.. Jul 03 17:33:52 live to die hard.. Jul 03 17:33:57 not the best... Jul 03 17:34:03 Live Free or Die Hard? Jul 03 17:34:14 same difference Jul 03 17:34:18 Jaffa? Jul 03 17:34:18 <_Shurik_> yes, the movie about viagra overdose Jul 03 17:34:24 i could've said die hard 4 Jul 03 17:34:35 It's got that dude from Waiting. Jul 03 17:34:44 I wouldn't mind a good Rogue-like game on 770... Jul 03 17:35:15 <_Shurik_> somebody mentioned that it would be nice to have supaplex on n800 Jul 03 17:35:57 <_Shurik_> It's probably so much easier to play on it with a bt keyboard. IT just don't have an action inclined buttons Jul 03 17:36:14 <_Shurik_> "Press I then O to fire your weapon" Jul 03 17:36:25 _Shurik_: ROTFLMFAO! Jul 03 17:36:40 does the laser/bluetooth wireless keyboard from thinkgeek work with the 770? Jul 03 17:36:54 Is it better to run Hacker Edition of 2007 or the latest 2006? Are they still maintaining 2006 a little? Jul 03 17:36:55 Oh that virtual laser thing? Jul 03 17:36:58 It looks so neat. Jul 03 17:37:10 Spec: it's just hid isn't it? it should work Jul 03 17:37:15 they need some screenshots on the supaplex page Jul 03 17:37:18 <_Shurik_> I heard it's not very reliable... but does look neat Jul 03 17:37:27 Is anyone here involved in Maemo development? Jul 03 17:37:30 <_Shurik_> (laser keyboard) Jul 03 17:37:37 am I the only one that thinks the laser keyboard would suck? Jul 03 17:37:47 Tu13es: no Jul 03 17:37:50 Tu13es: nope Jul 03 17:37:50 Tu13es: it's up in the air Jul 03 17:37:52 good Jul 03 17:37:52 i'm curious :p Jul 03 17:37:56 Tu13es: no tactile feedback.. Jul 03 17:38:02 i dont' think it'd be that great - try typing on the desk in front of you w/o keyboard Jul 03 17:38:02 but... Jul 03 17:38:04 <_Shurik_> just like iPhone Jul 03 17:38:05 it looks neat! Jul 03 17:38:12 but it looks so neat :p Jul 03 17:38:16 looks neat, but keyboards are about functionality Jul 03 17:38:19 it's a neat toy Jul 03 17:38:28 If I turn that thing on a plane everyone would be like, HES GOT A BOMB! Jul 03 17:38:30 it's a neat expensive toy, more expensive than my 770 was i think Jul 03 17:38:35 <_Shurik_> I'd rather have a hard clamshell/bt keyboard combo Jul 03 17:38:38 like. if it was built in a device, then, sure, it would be a nice thing to have from time to time Jul 03 17:38:44 <_Shurik_> that I would buy instantly Jul 03 17:38:47 if it was builtin, that would be the best Jul 03 17:39:38 <_Shurik_> yeah Jul 03 17:39:41 so how do i know what toolchain i want to install in debian? Jul 03 17:39:49 <_Shurik_> iit probably will be for the next model Jul 03 17:40:35 Is there anything newer than the 2007 Hacker Edition that I can install on my 770? Jul 03 17:40:40 scratchbox-toolchain-arm-linux-2006q1-6 ... 2006q3-27 ... cs344-2.3 ....... ct401-2.3? Jul 03 17:40:59 <_Shurik_> Yes, the 2007 Doorstop edition Jul 03 17:41:09 _Shurik_: Shut up! Jul 03 17:41:16 <_Shurik_> sorry :)) Jul 03 17:41:18 anyone know why I'm getting "Cannot execute binary file" when upgrading my n800 in OS X? Jul 03 17:41:41 <_Shurik_> My friend has 770, just sux that they dropped support for it. Still a good platform Jul 03 17:42:24 _Shurik_: Yeah, but is anyone outside of Nokia maintaining it? Jul 03 17:42:35 <_Shurik_> not that I heard :( Jul 03 17:42:43 Spec one moment Jul 03 17:42:48 <_Shurik_> see internettablettalk.com for all the last stuff on 770 Jul 03 17:43:04 <_Shurik_> but I heard that Hackers edition is the last thing out there Jul 03 17:43:33 _Shurik_: What are Sardine and Herring then? Jul 03 17:43:51 _Shurik_: maemo.org says they're for the 770. Jul 03 17:44:01 <_Shurik_> honestly, I don't know then... I might be misinforming you Jul 03 17:44:21 <_Shurik_> but then again it could be just a canned fish talk Jul 03 17:44:28 _Shurik_: This looks promising, but I have a nagging feeling that the page is just out of date. Jul 03 17:44:49 <_Shurik_> btw, what is stopping you from going n800? Did you just get 770 recently? Jul 03 17:45:10 Spec i have cs2005q3.2-glibc-arm here - might be outdated Jul 03 17:45:21 _Shurik_: woot.com had the 770 for $130. Jul 03 17:45:25 <_Shurik_> 770 is great for reading as I hear. Might as well keep it for that, and get n800 for latest stuff :) Jul 03 17:45:30 ttuttle: that's where i got mine Jul 03 17:45:33 <_Shurik_> ah okay, so you just got it Jul 03 17:45:34 <_Shurik_> got ya Jul 03 17:45:41 Spec and cpu transparency qemu-arm-0.8.1-sb2 Jul 03 17:45:45 I don't see the point to upgrade to n800. Jul 03 17:45:49 qemu-arm? Jul 03 17:45:50 Why not just wait until the n900? Jul 03 17:45:53 pupnik: cpu transparency? Jul 03 17:46:10 <_Shurik_> Dr_Nunim: might as well Jul 03 17:46:19 pupnik: scratchbox-devkit-cputransp? Jul 03 17:46:22 yeah... you can run native N770 apps on your pc using cpu transparency Jul 03 17:46:25 n800 is like the second generation ipod, sure it's good but is it really worth upgrading? Jul 03 17:46:29 <_Shurik_> but it might be 990 as far as we know Jul 03 17:46:38 pupnik: oh, i dont' have X/i don't want to run native n770 apps on my pc Jul 03 17:46:53 right, but i just followed the instructions and that's what i have Jul 03 17:46:55 n800 looked sleek and nice, but i like my (new) 770 Jul 03 17:47:01 pupnik: heh, k ;) Jul 03 17:47:10 i'm keeping my 770 Jul 03 17:47:10 I think the 770 is better cosmetically. Jul 03 17:47:11 <_Shurik_> yeah, n800 is definitely a mid-experiment Jul 03 17:47:30 <_Shurik_> I hope they will make something new that's much better in all aspects Jul 03 17:47:41 <_Shurik_> and damn, get it a 600+ mHz cpu already Jul 03 17:47:41 That's what we'll all upgrade too. Jul 03 17:47:51 Maybe it'll have first party support too :p Jul 03 17:48:04 <_Shurik_> who knows Jul 03 17:48:15 battery life is pretty key. the arm cpus are great for that Jul 03 17:48:25 what about using a geode? Jul 03 17:48:36 Expensive. Jul 03 17:48:44 <_Shurik_> basically, if it will have a screen that can be visible in direct sunlight, faster CPU and a wimax or a sort... who needs cell phone??? Jul 03 17:48:44 but leet. Jul 03 17:48:44 pepperpads use geode iirc Jul 03 17:48:58 OLPC uses geodes Jul 03 17:49:02 Aren't pepper pad around 1000? Jul 03 17:49:09 I agree, a dual mode screen that could use reflected light would be sweet Jul 03 17:49:15 Dr_Nunim: ~500 if you find a good sale Jul 03 17:49:31 I don't like the Pepper Pad design Jul 03 17:51:00 I wouldn't mind having a OQO if they weren't so expensive. Jul 03 17:52:10 <_Shurik_> Pepper pad is a size of a frigging laptop Jul 03 17:52:32 for me the 770 is darn close to perfect. What sucks is being too stupid to code well. Jul 03 17:53:00 <_Shurik_> nobody codes well Jul 03 17:53:29 The guy who did the mplayer port does Jul 03 17:53:48 <_Shurik_> I'm pretty sure it has few bugs somewhere Jul 03 17:53:58 ok you're right Jul 03 17:53:59 this tutorial is really annoying: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/Maemo_2.2_Tutorial.html Jul 03 17:54:01 nobody codes well Jul 03 17:54:19 <_Shurik_> so my point is... everyone can code well enough, just need to be very methodical about what you do Jul 03 17:54:22 often times it'll say things like: "When you have created both PC and ARMEL targets, you can toggle between them with the following command:" Jul 03 17:54:27 it leaves lots and lots of blanks Jul 03 17:54:29 <_Shurik_> error handling, error handling, error handling Jul 03 17:54:58 <_Shurik_> damn Jul 03 17:55:10 <_Shurik_> OQO is $1700 Jul 03 17:55:16 <_Shurik_> I love my n800 Jul 03 17:57:15 Spec: if you can formulate your griefs to a bugzilla report, they will improve those sections for the next version Jul 03 17:59:54 _Shurik_: Yeah. I've used an OQO, and the N770 is more fun ;-) Jul 03 18:00:05 Spec: Use "View Source" there are lots of HTML coding errors on the page Jul 03 18:00:07 <_Shurik_> still looks good! Jul 03 18:00:29 <_Shurik_> brb Jul 03 18:00:44 hrm Jul 03 18:00:49 why doesn't the linux flasher like me Jul 03 18:01:36 i'm having some problems with bluetooth networking on my n770, is this the appropriate place to ask questions? Jul 03 18:01:38 yeap, source looks much better Jul 03 18:03:59 yes b^j Jul 03 18:04:34 the maemo-users and maemo-developers mailing list archives are also good Jul 03 18:05:48 on the 770 I should be using flasher-2.0 right? Jul 03 18:06:03 y Jul 03 18:06:05 yes Jul 03 18:06:58 cool, i just got my n770 and i have not been able to get it to work with my phone (stupid windows mobile 6 switched to use PAN instead of DUN). I got PAN working to connect to my laptop but i can't get it to work with my phone. The bluetooth connection drops after a few seconds. Jul 03 18:07:08 any ideas? Jul 03 18:08:15 that is, my laptop can connect to the phone, my n770 can connect to the laptop, but the n770 won't maintain a connection to the phone Jul 03 18:09:08 no, and getting results for a search on your phone + 770 might be hard Jul 03 18:09:19 since there are many phones, and not so many 770 users Jul 03 18:09:45 pupnik, yeah, that has been my issue with finding help on this Jul 03 18:09:55 They probably sold more 770s in the last week than in the entire history of the device Jul 03 18:10:02 hehe Jul 03 18:10:07 good old woot Jul 03 18:10:15 Woot sold 8000 Jul 03 18:10:21 and buy.com Jul 03 18:10:28 I think buy sold something like 1/2 that. Jul 03 18:10:39 i gotta say, so far i love the device, if i could just get it to connect to my phone it would be perfect Jul 03 18:11:01 there seems to be a real good developer community for it Jul 03 18:11:02 I always thought buy.com was like a scam Jul 03 18:11:05 I mean comon, it's called Buy.com Jul 03 18:11:09 I'll love mine more when I get more memory and hopefully then it won't crash all the time Jul 03 18:11:30 b^j: maybe it would help diagnosis if you ping the device continuously once it is connected Jul 03 18:12:29 pupnik, good idea, i will have to look at that, i am fairly newbish as far as bluetooth goes Jul 03 18:12:31 anyone want an extra n800? Jul 03 18:12:38 For free, sure :) Jul 03 18:12:41 ryanfaerman: if i'm forced to, i'l take one Jul 03 18:12:45 Hell I'll even pay shipping. Jul 03 18:12:51 but remember, you owe me. Jul 03 18:12:56 How is it "extra"? Jul 03 18:13:03 argh, i'll brb, my client decided not to display anything Jul 03 18:13:05 gotta restart it Jul 03 18:14:07 Dr_Nunim: heh Jul 03 18:14:11 test Jul 03 18:14:13 okay, it workes now Jul 03 18:14:15 what did whoever say to me? Jul 03 18:14:24 ryanfaerman: if i'm forced to, i'll take one Jul 03 18:14:29 (n800) Jul 03 18:14:43 SO, why are you getting rid of one. Jul 03 18:14:44 does that forcing include forcing some money from you to me? Jul 03 18:14:46 [14:12] For free, sure :) Jul 03 18:14:46 [14:12] ryanfaerman: if i'm forced to, i'l take one Jul 03 18:14:46 [14:12] Hell I'll even pay shipping. Jul 03 18:14:46 [14:12] but remember, you owe me. Jul 03 18:14:46 [14:13] How is it "extra"? Jul 03 18:14:57 ryanfaerman: like shipping? >:) Jul 03 18:15:00 extra as in just some pieces of one? or extra as in fully operational and working? :p Jul 03 18:15:00 extra for whoever wants to buy it Jul 03 18:15:06 totally working Jul 03 18:15:12 Where'd you get it? Jul 03 18:15:14 perfect condition Jul 03 18:15:15 StolenStuffRS? Jul 03 18:15:16 compusa Jul 03 18:15:18 no. Jul 03 18:15:19 Because they have junk there :o Jul 03 18:15:35 i just don't use it so much Jul 03 18:16:00 when i do use it, it is mostly at home Jul 03 18:16:02 hi, is jakub here? Jul 03 18:16:03 just using it because i can Jul 03 18:16:21 ~Every n800 is sacred... every n800 is great... If a n800 is wasted, god gets quite irate.~ Jul 03 18:16:21 pupnik: okay Jul 03 18:16:51 exactly, so i am trying to make it not wasted Jul 03 18:17:12 no money here sorry Jul 03 18:17:43 Well do a trade, I'll give you this box of stuff from Hong Kong for the n800. Jul 03 18:18:01 haha Jul 03 18:18:03 Dr_Nunim: that is worthless for me Jul 03 18:18:07 what are they going for? $280? Jul 03 18:18:15 HK stuff is pretty fun. Jul 03 18:18:16 i do have money, however, the n770 > n800 Jul 03 18:18:36 i can't use the n770 has a usb host though, can i? Jul 03 18:18:43 ie: connect iPod to n770 Jul 03 18:18:50 Is anyone still developing Hacker 2007? I saw a big whiny thread about it on the mailing list from April. Jul 03 18:20:02 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=186 Spec Jul 03 18:21:09 so what does a n800 go for, slightly used? Jul 03 18:21:24 depends on country Jul 03 18:21:28 US Jul 03 18:21:37 there's this thing called ebay Jul 03 18:21:39 i don't care where it goes, but the currency is US dollars Jul 03 18:21:56 yea.. well shit, literal shit, sells for hundreds Jul 03 18:22:15 I know. I've gotten burned on a few auctions. Jul 03 18:22:52 pupnik: oh, it looks like it needs rd-mode, which sometimes produces bad things? Jul 03 18:23:27 and the iPod doesn't need power via usb, does it? Jul 03 18:23:40 anyone know a good place to ask bluetooth questions? Jul 03 18:24:30 i haven't used a n770 with host mode Jul 03 18:24:57 spec, i read that it was possible but i forgot where Jul 03 18:26:16 awesome: http://thoughtfix.blogspot.com/2006/01/no-solder-usb-host-method.html Jul 03 18:40:41 Does anyone know if there are any plans to continue development on Hacker 2007? Jul 03 18:40:52 it's a community project Jul 03 18:41:13 pupnik: How active is it, and how much support from Nokia do we have for fixing bugs in closed parts of the code? Jul 03 18:41:17 and there's not a lot missing Jul 03 18:41:31 i don't know Jul 03 18:41:44 i run 2007 and besides a few glitches it works Jul 03 18:41:59 pupnik: I mean, it works fine for me, but I am somewhat angry that Nokia is not supporting the 770 themselves despite the fact that it's still available. Jul 03 18:42:05 most of the stuff i run i compiled under 2006 Jul 03 18:42:10 yeah Jul 03 18:42:16 pupnik: I get a few reboots a day, but nothing horrible. Jul 03 18:42:31 still it's not like a windows OS running on millions on machines Jul 03 18:42:57 there are pretty severe econimic constraints Jul 03 18:42:59 pupnik: Oh, can you get Marbles to start? Jul 03 18:43:03 sire Jul 03 18:43:11 pupnik: I can't, for some reason. Jul 03 18:43:12 ran on 2006 and 2007 Jul 03 18:43:22 :/ Jul 03 18:43:38 pupnik: Well, it starts, but when I click "Continue" or "Start Game" it flashes for a second and then returns to the "Continue"/"Quit" screen. Jul 03 18:46:01 ill try it Jul 03 18:48:21 game paused menu Jul 03 18:48:24 interesting Jul 03 18:49:09 i was just running it with synergy and when i moved the mouse off the screen, it pauses the game Jul 03 18:49:17 pupnik: Hmm. Jul 03 18:49:29 but when i play it normally - tapping on the marbles - it works Jul 03 18:49:41 pupnik: Hmm, maybe I need to reinstall it. Jul 03 18:49:47 pupnik: Is it in a repo, or only the flash image? Jul 03 18:49:56 it's in a repo Jul 03 18:50:04 pupnik: Oh, Nokia's? Jul 03 18:50:10 yes Jul 03 18:50:35 pupnik: What is it called? Jul 03 18:50:59 pupnik: I can't find it in either installed or installable apps. Jul 03 18:51:20 osso-lmarbles Jul 03 18:51:56 All I have is osso-statusbar-cpu and osso-xterm. Jul 03 18:52:34 pupnik: Or do I need to use apt-get remove? Jul 03 18:52:57 can you ssh to the device Jul 03 18:53:10 pupnik: Sure. Or I can be root in an xterm. Jul 03 18:53:24 well i don't have it2006 Jul 03 18:53:34 pupnik: Neither do I now. I'm running hacker 2007. Jul 03 18:53:39 apt-cache search marbles returned that package Jul 03 18:53:57 #maemo:name extras.maemo.org Jul 03 18:53:57 deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ bora free Jul 03 18:55:33 maybe your $home/.lmarbles_state is screwed up Jul 03 18:55:52 pupnik: Let's hope not. Jul 03 18:55:53 does the n800 have asian fonts installed ? Jul 03 18:56:45 pupnik: So what's the repo again? Jul 03 18:57:00 i don't know actually Jul 03 18:57:17 apt-cache show and apt-cache policy don't tell me where it's from Jul 03 18:57:24 pupnik: apt can't find it to reinstall :-\ Jul 03 18:57:56 check our sources list - maybe you need extras Jul 03 18:58:08 cat /etc/apt/sources.list Jul 03 18:58:38 pupnik: What's the URL for it? Jul 03 18:58:46 see above Jul 03 18:58:49 pupnik: repository.maemo.org/extras? Jul 03 18:58:55 pupnik: Yeah I've got that. Jul 03 18:59:08 pupnik: I'll refresh the list. Jul 03 18:59:57 #maemo:name maemo-hackers Jul 03 18:59:57 deb http://maemo-hackers.org/apt bora main Jul 03 19:00:09 #maemo:name mg Jul 03 19:00:09 deb http://mg.pov.lt/770 bora user othe Jul 03 19:00:14 r Jul 03 19:00:27 pupnik: Which of these do I need? Jul 03 19:00:31 i don't know Jul 03 19:01:49 http://repository.maemo.org/stable/mistral/maemo-packages--2.0.html Jul 03 19:02:13 pupnik: mistral or bora? Jul 03 19:02:41 based on that i assume it should be in the main maemo.org repository Jul 03 19:04:07 pupnik: Do I need to pull in maemo.org as mistral too? Jul 03 19:04:12 osso-lmarbles Installed: 1.3.42-0 Jul 03 19:04:20 i don't have mistral in sources Jul 03 19:04:25 pupnik: Okay. Jul 03 19:04:59 http://pastebin.ca/601823 Jul 03 19:05:05 there's my sources.list Jul 03 19:08:44 pupnik: And you have a source available for osso-lmarbles, but you don't know which one it is? Jul 03 19:10:32 no, what's the command that shows me the repository for an installed package? Jul 03 19:10:55 er, "yes, i don't know which one it is" Jul 03 19:11:19 pupnik: I don't know. I don't know if there is any way to do that, or if it even tracks that. Jul 03 19:11:59 pupnik: I'm adding mistral for all the repos and trying to find it. Jul 03 19:12:51 pupnik: Should I have any components other than "free non-free" for Maemo.org repos? Jul 03 19:13:29 the repo is repository.maemo.org Jul 03 19:13:41 http://pastebin.ca/601823 Jul 03 19:14:15 But i'm surprised you don't see it Jul 03 19:14:43 Nokia-N800-48:~# apt-cache search osso-lmarbles Jul 03 19:14:43 osso-lmarbles - Osso LMarbles game Jul 03 19:15:12 pupnik: I'm trying your sources.list for now. Jul 03 19:15:32 pupnik: That's showing up because you have it installed. Jul 03 19:15:49 mmmaybe Jul 03 19:15:54 pupnik: I uninstalled it, and now it can't find where to reinstall it from. Jul 03 19:16:00 removing Jul 03 19:16:18 hah you're right :P Jul 03 19:16:22 pupnik: Yeah. Jul 03 19:16:35 Hey, can anyone here make a deb of osso-lmarbles for me, and, I guess now pupnik? Jul 03 19:17:51 pupnik: Oh, and apt-cache can find it. Not apt-get, though. Jul 03 19:18:42 ok definitely an IT2007 problem Jul 03 19:19:05 pupnik: Can you find the package for IT2006? Jul 03 19:19:53 Package osso-lmarbles is not available, but is referred to by another package. Jul 03 19:19:53 This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or Jul 03 19:19:53 is only available from another source Jul 03 19:19:53 However the following packages replace it: osso-graphics-game-lmarbles Jul 03 19:19:54 E: Package osso-lmarbles has no installation candidate Jul 03 19:19:56 so that's borked Jul 03 19:20:08 qi.ouyang@nokia.com Jul 03 19:20:14 maintainer Jul 03 19:20:23 writing him a letter Jul 03 19:20:26 gah. https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=170 Jul 03 19:20:55 ttuttle: can you do the same - might help Jul 03 19:20:56 pupnik: okay Jul 03 19:21:45 pupnik: What's the opposite of "user" in the last field? Jul 03 19:21:51 ? Jul 03 19:22:20 pupnik: You know how the last field in sources.list has "user", "free", or "non-free" in it sometimes? What is the opposite of "user"? Jul 03 19:23:04 pupnik: Wait, do you have osso-graphics-game-lmarbles available? Try installing that. Jul 03 19:23:13 Does anyone here have a hacker edition 770 nearby? Jul 03 19:23:18 (And xterm skills?) Jul 03 19:23:36 * Jaffa yawns Jul 03 19:23:45 Tu13es: you pinged me? Jul 03 19:23:53 there's no opposite of user Jul 03 19:24:00 Jaffa: Do you have any way to make a deb of lmarbles? Jul 03 19:24:06 Jaffa: yeah, was wondering if the 770flasher app works with n800 Jul 03 19:24:12 i ended up using the cmd line utility, though Jul 03 19:24:15 so no worries :) Jul 03 19:24:21 there must be one online ttuttle - at least for the it2006 Jul 03 19:24:37 Tu13es: I belive it does, yes. Jul 03 19:24:44 cool Jul 03 19:24:58 ttuttle: I'd suggest http://mud-builder.garage.maemo.org/ - but I'm biased Jul 03 19:25:38 Jaffa: I was wondering if you could build me and pupnik a deb of lmarbles, since we both uninstalled it. Jul 03 19:25:43 Jaffa, do you need a maemo.org account to get your package added with mud-builder? Jul 03 19:28:28 Jaffa: ...? Jul 03 19:29:53 pupnik: yes Jul 03 19:30:23 ttuttle: I did not follow it all , but I have been quit active with mud Jul 03 19:30:32 pupnik: in the sense that you need to add a patch to the patch tracker Jul 03 19:30:53 keesj: Follow what? Jul 03 19:30:58 Well, to contribute it to the project anyway. You could always keep it to yourself. Jul 03 19:31:54 ericz: Hey. Jul 03 19:32:14 ttuttle, hey, how you liking hacker edition? Jul 03 19:32:26 ericz: Good, but I accidentally uninstalled lmarbles. Jul 03 19:32:32 haha Jul 03 19:32:51 perhaps we should create a mud debian package? Jul 03 19:36:27 o(+cn)] [Act: 1,3,4,5] Jul 03 19:36:27 [#maemo] Jul 03 19:36:35 http://www.bleb.org/software/maemo/os2007-src/osso-lmarbles_1.3.49-0.tar.gz Jul 03 19:36:45 pupnik: That's source. Jul 03 19:37:05 ttuttle: you're a hacker, compile it :) Jul 03 19:37:46 <_Shurik_> marbles fun on the first level Jul 03 19:37:56 _Shurik_: Do you have a 770 or an 800? Jul 03 19:37:59 <_Shurik_> after that it's too difficult Jul 03 19:38:02 <_Shurik_> n800 Jul 03 19:38:28 <_Shurik_> well, so is chess really. Get's compicated after E2-E4 move Jul 03 19:38:39 ttuttle: ah, I wondered why you were asking me. I just expanded the tarball ;-) Jul 03 19:38:39 i don't see why marbles isn't in the bora repo though Jul 03 19:38:48 pupnik: Me neither. Jul 03 19:38:54 Can anyone here find lmarbles anywhere, as a deb? Jul 03 19:39:06 marbles is too hard. Jul 03 19:39:19 ericz: lol Jul 03 19:39:30 on easy, i can't get past the second level Jul 03 19:39:33 stumps me too after a few levels Jul 03 19:39:45 <_Shurik_> I think I got to level 4 Jul 03 19:40:24 <_Shurik_> but it was difficult Jul 03 19:40:34 Does anyone have a 770 with lmarbles and xterm and a way to get files off the device? Jul 03 19:40:40 Oh, a 770 with hacker 2007. Jul 03 19:40:55 <_Shurik_> so I'm waiting for Doom3 port to n800 Jul 03 19:41:22 i have a 770 with os 2006 and xterm and lmarbles and a way to get files off the device. Jul 03 19:41:30 think there's any difference in the versions of marbles? Jul 03 19:41:34 i have a 770 with os2k6 and xterm :p Jul 03 19:41:36 what's lmarbles? Jul 03 19:41:42 the marbles game Jul 03 19:42:06 you mean the hard one? Jul 03 19:42:08 Spec: Can you get files off the device? Jul 03 19:42:09 that involves logic? Jul 03 19:42:11 Spec: Yeah. Jul 03 19:42:15 yes, xterm + ssh = win Jul 03 19:42:18 <_Shurik_> what I'm actually curious is how the hell did they do a port of StarControl 2 to maemo Jul 03 19:42:30 <_Shurik_> was the source released or something? Jul 03 19:42:32 marbles rocks :o) Jul 03 19:44:01 _Shurik_: yes, Jul 03 19:44:08 toys for bob kept control of the source Jul 03 19:44:11 and they released it Jul 03 19:44:29 usually the publisher retains those rights, but in this case the creators demanded they keep rights to the source Jul 03 19:44:32 <_Shurik_> toys for bob? Jul 03 19:44:39 they created Star Control 2 Jul 03 19:44:41 <_Shurik_> ah okay Jul 03 19:44:45 <_Shurik_> hmm, interesting Jul 03 19:44:51 what is Star Control 2? Jul 03 19:44:55 it gets even funnier Jul 03 19:44:58 best game ever, Spec Jul 03 19:45:04 <_Shurik_> Spec: you don't know SC2? Jul 03 19:45:05 Spec: Okay. Can you run this: eval tar -cvzf lmarbles.tar.gz `cat /var/lib/dpkg/info/*lmarbles*.md5sums | awk '{print "/"$2" "}'` /var/lib/dpkg/info/*lmarbles* Jul 03 19:45:13 Spec: And then send me lmarbles.tar.gz? Jul 03 19:45:23 it's os2006, not hacker Jul 03 19:45:30 <_Shurik_> it's like Marbles, but 1,000,000 times better Jul 03 19:45:32 Spec: That should be okay. Jul 03 19:45:48 'k Jul 03 19:45:51 Their publisher demanded they release it and the programmers stole away with the development boxes and the source and HID to finish the game. Jul 03 19:46:08 They went underground. Jul 03 19:46:09 <_Shurik_> ah I see Jul 03 19:46:29 pupnik: I think that script should let me reinstall it, as well as convince dpkg that I have reinstalled it. Jul 03 19:46:29 That's awesome. Anyway it turned out to be one of the greatest games of the 90s. Jul 03 19:46:31 <_Shurik_> there's just gotta be so much stuff that can be ran on maemo Jul 03 19:46:42 <_Shurik_> after proper porting Jul 03 19:46:59 Well i'm working on On-Screen buttons for StarControl 2 so combat will be playable Jul 03 19:47:11 <_Shurik_> oh really? Jul 03 19:47:16 <_Shurik_> aswome Jul 03 19:48:11 <_Shurik_> also, it might be a bit naive of course, but it surprises me that n800 can't emulate NES all that good Jul 03 19:50:27 how is the framerate? Jul 03 19:50:30 Spec: Has it finished? Jul 03 19:50:40 ttuttle: no Jul 03 19:50:57 <_Shurik_> seems like 330 mHz vs 3.55 Jul 03 19:51:07 Spec: Okay. Is it working? Jul 03 19:51:18 <_Shurik_> well, it's lagging slightly. Not horribly, but still Jul 03 19:51:36 <_Shurik_> I understand hardware scrolling and sprites... but still seems like it should kick it's ass. Oh well Jul 03 19:53:01 ttuttle: i don't think backticks work Jul 03 19:53:09 Spec: Oh. Are you sure? Jul 03 19:53:15 Spec: They worked here. Jul 03 19:53:44 _Shurik_: thing is, it's not enough to emulate the HW accelerators.. you have to emulate in a bug-to-bug compatible way, including making sure timings are identical to the original hardware Jul 03 19:53:50 Spec: Well, do you know enough shell to work around it? Jul 03 19:53:56 yes Jul 03 19:54:00 Spec: Okay. Jul 03 19:54:08 _Shurik_: since game developers really used to exploit every last bit of hardware Jul 03 19:54:09 but it's slow going as i don't have ssh-inbound access to my 770 Jul 03 19:54:14 Spec: Ah. Jul 03 19:55:14 Can I get things like make, binutils, cpio, and so on for the N770? Jul 03 19:55:17 weird that ` don't work Jul 03 19:55:25 but $() does Jul 03 19:55:28 Spec: Yeah. Jul 03 19:55:30 <_Shurik_> suihkulokki: makes sense... I know there is a reason why it is that way, just saying that still appears strange... oh well Jul 03 19:55:33 Spec: And I got ` to work on Hacker 2007. Jul 03 19:57:17 ttuttle, it will be easier and faster to compile your app in scratchbox, where you will have make Jul 03 19:59:01 wow, i can't believe there's an item for Idea applets thing in control panel, all that time i spent yesterday editing the xml file in nano.. Jul 03 19:59:06 <_Shurik_> Hm, I wonder if using standard stereo 1/8" connector does any harm to device Jul 03 19:59:12 ttuttle: bash? Jul 03 19:59:16 <_Shurik_> as it has 4th connecter for mic Jul 03 19:59:28 <_Shurik_> but then again.. probably not Jul 03 19:59:29 ttuttle: I just did: echo `cat /var/lib/dpkg/status` to no avil, yet: echo $(cat /var/lib/dpkg/status) works just fine Jul 03 20:03:24 * pupnik ponders Jul 03 20:03:58 ttuttle: eh, sorry, hold on Jul 03 20:04:02 ttuttle: waiting for network to start working again Jul 03 20:04:38 Aloha! Jul 03 20:05:52 * pupnik points to sdl... points to HWSURFACE... points to mplayer framebuffer hack... Jul 03 20:06:59 duno how much speed could be gained Jul 03 20:08:07 <_Shurik_> pupnik: you're talking about emu? Jul 03 20:08:17 ttuttle: 'k Jul 03 20:08:18 SDL games Jul 03 20:08:19 ttuttle: got an e-mail addy? Jul 03 20:08:22 and emus Jul 03 20:08:58 <_Shurik_> I see Jul 03 20:09:17 <_Shurik_> well, just need to ask Nokia to give us Geforse video on that thang Jul 03 20:09:54 hello all Jul 03 20:12:05 Spec: thinkinginbinary@gmail.com. How big is it? Jul 03 20:12:23 518kb Jul 03 20:12:39 ttuttle: do you count binary on your hands? Jul 03 20:12:50 'cause you can go up to 31 on your right hand, and up to 1023 on both. :) Jul 03 20:12:54 Spec: lol Jul 03 20:13:58 Spec: thanks Jul 03 20:15:45 nice Spec Jul 03 20:16:18 hmm? Jul 03 20:16:25 i haven't done anything nice yet Jul 03 20:17:01 Spec: First time I tried, it rebooted. Let's see if it works the second time. Jul 03 20:18:19 Spec: /me grumbles. It always reboots. Jul 03 20:18:28 i've never had a problem yet Jul 03 20:18:35 Does anyone have an N770 with hacker 2007 and Lmarbles? Jul 03 20:18:39 Spec: Hmm. Jul 03 20:18:45 Spec: Probably a library issue. Jul 03 20:18:50 'da Jul 03 20:18:59 you could set up a dev environment and compile it Jul 03 20:19:01 Is it possible to back up the entire system somehow? Jul 03 20:19:06 Spec: Yeah, but I need the graphics too. Jul 03 20:19:17 graphics too? Jul 03 20:19:22 i meant compile it for the hacker 2007 Jul 03 20:19:25 Spec: Yeah. Jul 03 20:19:29 Spec: I need the graphics package too. Jul 03 20:20:30 Or is there any way to loop-mount the hacker 2007 image? Jul 03 20:24:41 so...anyone know if it's better to use sbrsh or qemu? Jul 03 20:25:12 Does anyone use gaim for yahoo IM? Jul 03 20:25:27 My install can't login and I tried to uninstal it and I can't Jul 03 20:27:03 Is running an ssh server on the 770 and logging in remotely the easiest way to get to a command line? Jul 03 20:27:17 yes! Jul 03 20:27:24 you can install xterm and use that, that's what i do Jul 03 20:27:25 ok Jul 03 20:27:27 but ssh would be so much easier Jul 03 20:27:38 but my wireless and wired networks are separated for security :-/ Jul 03 20:27:55 Spec: can I then use the dpkg utils to force gaim to un-install? Jul 03 20:29:03 sure Jul 03 20:29:08 i'm not saying it's a good idea Jul 03 20:29:11 but you can :o) Jul 03 20:29:18 dpkg --purge --force-whatevers-not-working Jul 03 20:29:28 Spec: yea - at work we have the same deal. We have to run a windows only vpn client to get into the corp network Jul 03 20:29:50 i could probably vpn in Jul 03 20:29:55 but i don't think i have vpn software on my 770 Jul 03 20:30:05 and i'm pretty lazy Jul 03 20:30:12 is their vpn software for the 770? Jul 03 20:30:35 i would assume Jul 03 20:32:20 openvpn Jul 03 20:32:29 or something like that Jul 03 20:35:59 ok, so I just installed dropbearssh-server Jul 03 20:36:11 it complained that It could not install Jul 03 20:37:22 suck Jul 03 20:38:30 use apt-get insted of the graphical installer...And if it still fail, you may have to be in 'red pill mode' Jul 03 20:40:03 do I need to reflash if I want to have a new kernel? Jul 03 20:40:41 seems like a lot of trouble.. Jul 03 20:41:11 melmoth: so how to I apt-get if I don't have a terminal window like xterm yet? Jul 03 20:41:47 install a xterm :) Jul 03 20:42:02 this should work with the gui Jul 03 20:42:25 actually dropbear should work as well, but i think it needs to have the gui installer in 'red pill' mode to be installable Jul 03 20:42:28 If I show all packages in red pill mode in the App Manager... can I safely accept upgrades to those packages? Jul 03 20:42:31 i m not 100% sure though Jul 03 20:43:30 Anyone? Jul 03 20:43:38 melmoth: yea - I just found the 2006 ssh page where it says for the openssh to install, you have to install becomeroot or get into r&d mode Jul 03 20:43:45 that is the red pill mode? Jul 03 20:43:48 is r&d mode the same thing as 'red pill' mode? Jul 03 20:43:53 no Jul 03 20:43:59 ok Jul 03 20:44:14 ...? Jul 03 20:44:15 there's a 'red pill' mode ? what does it do ? Jul 03 20:44:23 red pill is something you set in the application manager stuff. r&d is somehing you set with the flasher Jul 03 20:44:34 melmoth, ah right Jul 03 20:44:59 has anyone here successfully got pptp vpn working on there n770? Jul 03 20:44:59 http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationManagerRedPillMode Jul 03 20:46:56 haha. the root password to the iPhone is "dottie" Jul 03 20:47:38 cool - I'm in red pill mode now Jul 03 20:47:58 sxpert: no, its alpine.. Jul 03 20:48:05 <_Shurik_> sxpert: I don't get it Jul 03 20:48:13 that's the pasword for the "mobile" account Jul 03 20:48:39 _Shurik_, what don't you understand ? Jul 03 20:49:12 <_Shurik_> why "dottie" is funny Jul 03 20:49:28 <_Shurik_> I think it's that time of the day when all caffeine has worn out Jul 03 20:49:58 _Shurik_, more like "this thing will be hacked in no time" Jul 03 20:49:59 sxpert: Some guys in #unixag found out the same this morning... Jul 03 20:50:10 florian, haha. Jul 03 20:50:28 florian, the guys on full disclosure took all of 16 seconds :D Jul 03 20:50:29 <_Shurik_> aaah that's what you mean, got ya Jul 03 20:50:41 hehe Jul 03 20:50:47 wheeee - I have a command prompt on my 770! Jul 03 20:50:50 * _Shurik_ sloooowwww Jul 03 20:50:58 sxpert: ok, fast machine... Jul 03 20:51:11 <_Shurik_> yzf600: congrats Jul 03 20:51:27 has anyone even tried to get pptp or any vpn capability working on there nokia? Jul 03 20:51:29 <_Shurik_> now what you gonna do with all that black screen goodness? Jul 03 20:51:51 <_Shurik_> nate: I thought hamachi was possible Jul 03 20:52:13 it is but i would like to stay away from that. i would like to vpn into a network not to a computer Jul 03 20:52:22 so has anyone used their 770 to make a voip call yet? Jul 03 20:52:27 i have Jul 03 20:52:31 its very cool Jul 03 20:52:33 <_Shurik_> me too Jul 03 20:52:40 <_Shurik_> yes, very cool Jul 03 20:52:42 what service did you use Jul 03 20:52:45 just need to get pptp and im set Jul 03 20:52:47 <_Shurik_> calls from a weird 7xxxxx number Jul 03 20:52:53 i use ipkall to get a free incomeing Jul 03 20:53:06 <_Shurik_> ipkall? Jul 03 20:53:08 nate12o6: free incoming? Jul 03 20:53:10 <_Shurik_> interesting... Jul 03 20:53:12 and right now im trying to set up voipbuster to gett free outgoing Jul 03 20:53:13 yea Jul 03 20:53:16 free outgoing as well? Jul 03 20:53:17 check out ipkall.com Jul 03 20:53:19 works awsome Jul 03 20:53:24 no just incomeing Jul 03 20:53:25 do you get a phone number or is it ip only? Jul 03 20:53:29 phone number Jul 03 20:53:34 out of washington state Jul 03 20:53:37 <_Shurik_> We don't sell equipment or service, there is no charge for registering or for connecting your calls to IP, and we do NOT provide any customer service. Jul 03 20:53:41 so you get free incoming, but no free outgoing? Jul 03 20:53:45 <_Shurik_> buahaha! Jul 03 20:53:48 correct Jul 03 20:53:52 <_Shurik_> sounds like I'm back in Russia Jul 03 20:53:56 how much does it cost to make calls? Jul 03 20:54:02 im still working on setting up voipbuster to get free outgoing Jul 03 20:54:14 vb is free Jul 03 20:54:19 to 100 countries Jul 03 20:54:37 but i have not succefully made a call with the 770 yet Jul 03 20:54:43 <_Shurik_> is anyone getting a reeeeeeally long conneciton time with VB? Jul 03 20:55:01 <_Shurik_> I waited for 5 mins and it never connected to US number Jul 03 20:55:05 nate12o6: well, keep us tuned in Jul 03 20:55:06 <_Shurik_> kept ringing Jul 03 20:55:10 sure will Jul 03 20:56:05 but i would definately recommend ipkall. It works flawlessly with gizmo project Jul 03 20:56:12 gizmo project? Jul 03 20:56:21 The VOIP application Jul 03 20:56:26 gizmo project is the softphone that is ported to maemo Jul 03 20:56:43 nate12o6: so with ipkall i could receive calls on my 770, assuming it had webernet connectivity? Jul 03 20:57:12 <_Shurik_> what did you use to register: freeworldfialup.com or mutualphone.com? Jul 03 20:57:14 i'm working on getting webernet connectivity wherever i am (aircrack-ng suite) Jul 03 20:57:18 <_Shurik_> or is that even neccessary? Jul 03 20:57:22 so how would one use the built in voice call app? Jul 03 20:57:24 Spec: yes. and if you are not connected to the internet gizmo will take a voice mail and record it as a missed call. it will also email you an mp3 of your voicemail. Jul 03 20:57:40 when I go to setup an account, all it allows is jabber and google talk Jul 03 20:58:05 _Shurik_: i used gizmo to register. I just fowarded ipkall to my gizmo account. I like it this way because it handles all missed calls through the ui. Jul 03 20:58:06 can you get google talk to dial/receive phone #rs? Jul 03 20:58:09 on the 770 Jul 03 20:58:17 so gizmo is a service? Jul 03 20:58:30 yes. service that supplys a softphone Jul 03 20:58:43 yzf600 you must download the gizmo project and install it Jul 03 20:59:24 Spec i didnt understand your google talk question Jul 03 20:59:32 google talk is voip? Jul 03 20:59:59 <_Shurik_> hm, so when I try to register for IPKall, it asks for SIP phone number Jul 03 21:00:01 google talk does not use sip yet. and it doesnt provide a pstn gateway Jul 03 21:00:08 ah, ok Jul 03 21:00:15 <_Shurik_> how do I get that? Jul 03 21:00:18 _Shurik_ you get your sip number after you register the gizmo project Jul 03 21:00:28 _Shurik_: it is free to reg Jul 03 21:00:37 <_Shurik_> I am registered with gizmodo Jul 03 21:00:43 <_Shurik_> but I only have username though Jul 03 21:00:47 <_Shurik_> crap Jul 03 21:00:51 <_Shurik_> Gizmo I mean :-D Jul 03 21:00:54 go to gizmoproject.com and login Jul 03 21:01:00 <_Shurik_> okay Jul 03 21:01:01 and it will give you all yoru info Jul 03 21:01:16 <_Shurik_> ahha, let's seeee Jul 03 21:01:17 <_Shurik_> so kewl Jul 03 21:02:02 now if i can get the voipbuster account working when i get off of work you will have free incomeing and outgoing calls. Jul 03 21:02:25 nate12o6: are you often in this channel? Jul 03 21:02:36 nate12o6: because one day i'm gonna bug you about getting voip working, but i'm working on something else first :o) Jul 03 21:02:51 Spec: i will probably be hanging out a little more to find someone to help me get the pptp working Jul 03 21:03:01 Spec: sure no prob Jul 03 21:03:04 Is it "okay" to upgrade packages from Hacker 2007 with replacements from nokia's or maemo's bora repositories? Jul 03 21:03:08 its very eassy to set up Jul 03 21:04:51 so what qemu-arm should i use to cross compile onto the n770? Jul 03 21:05:04 <_Shurik_> wtf! Kicked me off into Effnet server Jul 03 21:05:06 <_Shurik_> wicked Jul 03 21:05:49 choices are: qemu-arm-0.7.0-sb2, qemu-arm-0.8.0-m2, qemu-arm-0.8.0-sb2, qemu-arm-0.8.1-sb2, qemu-arm-0.8.2-sb2, qemu-armeb-0.8.1-sb2, qemu-armeb-0.8.2-sb2 Jul 03 21:05:52 Spec: are you asking me? Jul 03 21:06:02 nope, asking the channel Jul 03 21:06:15 _Shurik_: did you get it working? Jul 03 21:06:31 i never saw those armeb's Jul 03 21:06:44 i am using qemu-arm-0.8.1-sb2 Jul 03 21:06:59 if it works for you, i'mma use the same one :o) Jul 03 21:07:31 you can set up additional targets, with different cpu transparency, if that doesn't work for you Jul 03 21:07:45 yeap Jul 03 21:07:49 <_Shurik_> nate: I'm looking for a Gizmo Project SIP proxy name Jul 03 21:08:43 proxy01.sipphone.com Jul 03 21:08:45 <_Shurik_> proxy01.sipphone.com:5060 might be it Jul 03 21:08:49 <_Shurik_> ah thatnks Jul 03 21:08:50 <_Shurik_> :) Jul 03 21:09:54 hm, does the n800 have a standby mode similar to sliding the case on the n770? Jul 03 21:10:11 <_Shurik_> Offline mode + Lock screen/keys Jul 03 21:10:25 <_Shurik_> Then carefully open back and slide out battery Jul 03 21:10:33 <_Shurik_> j/k Jul 03 21:10:39 <_Shurik_> :) Jul 03 21:10:57 It was a silly idea to take out the case in a later version. Jul 03 21:11:01 That was a smart feature. Jul 03 21:11:10 <_Shurik_> agree Jul 03 21:11:13 ah, so offline and lock will do it? Jul 03 21:11:21 <_Shurik_> Tu13es: yes Jul 03 21:11:28 cool, ty Jul 03 21:11:41 any suggestions for a screen protector or case for it? Jul 03 21:12:09 <_Shurik_> screen protector from PSP (cut it a bit) Jul 03 21:12:31 ah true Jul 03 21:12:32 <_Shurik_> and I use Strongman Caselogic. It's kinda big, but I feel safe for n800 Jul 03 21:12:48 hrm, I have a PSP with a screen protector, I wonder if I can take it off the PSP and put it on the n800.... Jul 03 21:14:09 <_Shurik_> Tu13es: They're not that expensive... Jul 03 21:14:15 I got a 770 protector on ebay for around $5 Jul 03 21:14:19 <_Shurik_> plus, ever tried to re-use scotch tape? :) Jul 03 21:14:24 :P Jul 03 21:14:31 Actually I got 2 Jul 03 21:14:41 argh, i ran outta space on my / Jul 03 21:14:43 <_Shurik_> actually some say that 770/n800 doesn't really need a screen protector Jul 03 21:14:58 <_Shurik_> and it's sort of blast from the past kinda habbit Jul 03 21:14:58 meh, i'm too paranoid not to have one Jul 03 21:15:13 PSP needs one. Jul 03 21:15:19 I've got one on the DS touchscreen. Jul 03 21:15:24 770 has a very tough polymer - forgot the name Jul 03 21:15:39 <_Shurik_> and I've heard reports of no problem while not using any on 770 I think it was Jul 03 21:15:47 <_Shurik_> but.. yes, I have one :) Jul 03 21:16:03 * Jaffa has not used one on his 770 or N800 without problem. Jul 03 21:16:22 without problem do you mean the screen looks as it did on day 1 Jul 03 21:16:23 The 770 doesn't need one as mucb because it has the card case. Jul 03 21:16:23 ? Jul 03 21:16:34 but I wouldn't toss an n800 into my pocket with phone and keys. Jul 03 21:16:35 I can't see any scratches yet - 8 months. Jul 03 21:16:57 hard case* Jul 03 21:17:11 I hope the 900 will have the case Jul 03 21:17:25 And more ram + stronger processor Jul 03 21:17:27 and a scroll wheel Jul 03 21:17:34 Right hand side buttons too Jul 03 21:17:34 Maybe an ice cream maker? Jul 03 21:17:59 Scroll wheel would be good - but you can tap-and-drag the webpages too Jul 03 21:18:12 lol Jul 03 21:19:40 and a built-in laser bluetooth keyboard that projects from the base of the unit onto the desk it's laying on. Jul 03 21:19:52 err, i suppose it wouldn't need to be bluetooth in that case, actually. Jul 03 21:19:56 Spec: Eww, no. Jul 03 21:20:14 Hahaha, netsplit. Suckers. Jul 03 21:20:50 I'm opposed to any built-in keyboard. Bluetooth is the way to go. Jul 03 21:20:57 does anyone know if the Maemosized OpenVPN package can ack as a client or is it just a server? Jul 03 21:21:07 nate12o6: OpenVPN is, by definition, both. I think. Jul 03 21:21:16 cool thanks Jul 03 21:21:46 <_Shurik_> pupnik: why? BT consumes battery Jul 03 21:22:02 magnetic clip on kb would be nice Jul 03 21:22:05 and yet a built-in laser keyboard wouldn't? Jul 03 21:22:07 like on that htc Jul 03 21:22:32 http://www.europe.htc.com/products/htcadvantage.html on that one Jul 03 21:22:43 Just make a thumb board that plugs into usb like the 360 is getting. Jul 03 21:23:13 google grandcentral....good stuff.. Jul 03 21:23:17 <_Shurik_> who offered that? Jul 03 21:23:17 <_Shurik_> I'm against laser keyboards Jul 03 21:24:11 <_Shurik_> and _really_ the only time I miss a keyboard is while using rdesktop Jul 03 21:24:14 i just want couple of hw buttons more to the device Jul 03 21:24:22 to other side of screen.. for emus and games Jul 03 21:24:51 gla55_: That'd be cool. Jul 03 21:25:32 I hate rdp Jul 03 21:25:36 but thats not it's fault Jul 03 21:25:45 <_Shurik_> but.. bt is better then nothing. It would be a really nice to have case/keyboard combo Jul 03 21:25:45 I wish RDP worked like VNC Jul 03 21:26:00 <_Shurik_> Dr_Nunim: in what way? Jul 03 21:26:20 Allow administrator login, don't end session etc Jul 03 21:26:32 better security protocols Jul 03 21:26:42 <_Shurik_> then why not use VNC then? Jul 03 21:26:51 nice design on that htc Jul 03 21:26:59 <_Shurik_> they are just very different by their nature... Jul 03 21:27:01 VNC doesn't offer the same compatbility Jul 03 21:27:21 <_Shurik_> hm... really? I haven't tried it yet though (VNC) Jul 03 21:27:40 <_Shurik_> you need to install server for that, while rdesktop is ready to go Jul 03 21:27:55 True. Jul 03 21:27:59 <_Shurik_> and admin login.. that should be configurable Jul 03 21:28:04 <_Shurik_> within host system Jul 03 21:28:10 I couldn't find a way but I didn't look too hard :p Jul 03 21:28:21 <_Shurik_> it needs to have a password for one thing Jul 03 21:28:51 <_Shurik_> But I just use an account with Admin status Jul 03 21:28:57 <_Shurik_> that works just fine Jul 03 21:29:16 One of my boxes has a blank admin password and I just use that to login but RDP is no no Jul 03 21:29:21 df Jul 03 21:29:24 sorry :P Jul 03 21:29:56 <_Shurik_> rdp won't login to admin with blank pass Jul 03 21:30:54 I know Jul 03 21:30:57 That's why :( Jul 03 21:31:20 <_Shurik_> oh I see Jul 03 21:32:44 <_Shurik_> well, some say that you shouldn't do installs etc via rdesktop anyway as it's not a true session Jul 03 21:32:44 <_Shurik_> better do vnc for that Jul 03 21:37:23 i wish my 770 had text-to-speech for the cli Jul 03 21:37:29 i mean Jul 03 21:37:31 speech-to-text Jul 03 21:37:48 it does, festival-lite Jul 03 21:38:01 speech-to-text? Jul 03 21:38:07 oh sorry Jul 03 21:39:31 i looked for it Jul 03 21:39:43 does anything do speech to text good? :p Jul 03 21:39:45 not much being done in open source speech recognition Jul 03 21:39:54 <_Shurik_> text to speech Jul 03 21:39:56 <_Shurik_> not other way Jul 03 21:40:10 os/2 warp! Jul 03 21:40:30 <_Shurik_> I did cat text.txt | /usb/bin/flite :-D Jul 03 21:40:47 <_Shurik_> apparently sentences that separated by dot it reads in the same time :-D Weird Jul 03 21:41:26 <_Shurik_> and it sounds like Hawking whose English is a second or third language Jul 03 22:44:41 hmm Jul 03 22:44:51 so i compiled some binaries and put them on n770 (via scp) Jul 03 22:45:01 and when i go to "./mybinary' i get permission denied Jul 03 22:45:09 but it's got the executable bit set, i'm root, and i'm in bash. Jul 03 22:46:26 hmm, looks like i just can't execute off the sd card....what? Jul 03 22:50:45 Spec, just tried it myself Jul 03 22:50:56 same thing Jul 03 22:54:30 correct Jul 03 22:54:36 can not execute off of card Jul 03 22:54:45 why not? Jul 03 22:55:18 kernel prohibits it Jul 03 23:04:41 hmmm, i think it kinda defeats the purpose of having a small device if one then goes and gets a bluetooth keyboard. i mean, how can it still be called a handheld device? Jul 03 23:06:38 i prefer the microsoft on-screen keyboard to the n800 stylus keyboard. it's smaller, has two shift keys, and also arrow keys... Jul 03 23:11:32 i prefer typing over vnc or ssh from my desktop :P but that totally takes away the point of a handheld too Jul 03 23:13:57 ericz, yup Jul 03 23:22:30 the bluetooth keyboard is the same size as the 770. they both are pocketable Jul 03 23:22:47 having the bt keyboard does not prevent one-handed use Jul 03 23:24:40 * pupnik watches AFTF again Jul 03 23:45:25 Hi, I'm trying to set up my N800 to use the http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ repository, but I'm getting an "Unable to refresh list" error upon attempting to refresh. Is what I'm trying to do really dumb? Jul 03 23:46:06 i have extras Jul 03 23:46:27 are you adding it in the application manager? Jul 03 23:47:20 yes. I've added a new catalog, which I've named maemo. The web address is "http://repository.maemo.org/extras , distrobution bora, componants user Jul 03 23:47:23 ah, spotted the problem Jul 03 23:47:36 user should be free or non-free, right? :P Jul 03 23:47:48 I knew I did something dumb Jul 03 23:48:30 there we go, now it's working just fine :) Jul 03 23:48:34 good deal Jul 03 23:49:33 hey, i never knew there was a full screen touch keyboard Jul 03 23:49:45 if you want to test some new games and emus, you can find a bunch at http://pupnik.de Jul 03 23:49:49 i shouldve actually read the manual Jul 03 23:50:01 i still need to read that Jul 03 23:50:26 I'm just interested in getting the essentials for now, thanks :) Jul 03 23:50:35 I'll be there when games and emus become the essentials :) Jul 03 23:51:06 ok. discussion is at internettablettalk.com forums Jul 03 23:51:07 apparently, by tapping a text field with a finger, there's a full screen finger keyboard, neat. Jul 03 23:51:34 yeah i'd be curious how that gets triggered Jul 03 23:51:59 its actually really hard to open Jul 03 23:52:11 i had to tap this box like 12 times and hold then tap again Jul 03 23:52:12 you can set it to be the default Jul 03 23:52:46 hi... i'm a little confused by the flasher utility... do I have to download all the images and stuff if all I want to do is set the USB port into host mode? Jul 03 23:53:44 find a howto Jul 03 23:54:02 the usb port doesn't offer power when it's in host mode, right? Jul 03 23:54:11 like you either have to solder, or make a special cable? Jul 03 23:54:43 the howto's are not clear Jul 03 23:54:46 or the links are broken Jul 03 23:54:57 i don't want to reflash the whole thing, I just want to set it into USB mode Jul 03 23:55:03 and ericz yes you have to power the USB device Jul 03 23:55:17 i plan on using a cable from an external hard drive and a powered hub Jul 03 23:55:57 again, i just want to set it in host mode, not reflash the entire image if I don't have to Jul 03 23:56:03 the docs aren't very clear about this. Jul 03 23:57:42 GoatBoy: if you just want to change some flags you don't need to download any images. Jul 03 23:58:11 GoatBoy: however, if usb-host mode needs a modified image (dunno, did not try this) then you of course would need to download this as well. Jul 04 00:00:12 ok Jul 04 00:04:36 FYI, I think cables like this: http://www.xpcgear.com/usbtype2atob.html Jul 04 00:04:50 plus one of those battery powered ipod chargers would work Jul 04 00:05:01 the extra connector on those cables are meant for power purposes Jul 04 00:10:25 hey, tomorrows the 4th of july, isn't it? hrm Jul 04 00:10:27 my watch is wrong Jul 04 00:10:51 says the 2nd :/ stupid thing doesn't know 30 days from 31 Jul 04 00:10:54 yes Jul 04 00:10:57 tomorrow is the 4th Jul 04 00:29:24 Alright, I've got a question. Where are all the libs hidden? I'm trying to install python2.5 runtime, and there are about 10 different libraries that I need to have first Jul 04 00:29:33 is there a repository in particular I should know about? Jul 04 00:29:50 yeah i saw all those python optional libs Jul 04 00:33:09 any suggestions? Jul 04 00:34:40 install the core lib and ignore the optional ones Jul 04 00:34:50 then if your program says it's missing something, install that Jul 04 00:35:03 is it possible to set the wireless card's mac address? Jul 04 00:35:04 well, I can't find the core lib, which is the issue. Jul 04 00:35:11 Should I install maemo? Jul 04 00:35:31 I'm trying to see how much junk I can load myself down with before I start even pretending to hack at this Jul 04 00:35:53 yeah installing fun stuff is the first thing i did Jul 04 01:13:59 howdy Jul 04 01:14:45 I just re-flashed my 770 for the 1st time Jul 04 01:14:50 that was a breeze Jul 04 01:15:08 somehow the packages got all gorked up and would not install or un-install Jul 04 01:15:20 just reflashed and I'm back in business. Jul 04 01:19:14 anyone have gaim running successfully Jul 04 01:19:59 yeah Jul 04 01:20:55 I installed gaim and then gaim-yahoo-protocol Jul 04 01:21:36 I setup my account, but everytime I try to login, it tells me missing protocol plugin Jul 04 01:22:46 i've never tried yahoo, but i switched to pidgin actually, :/ Jul 04 01:23:58 ericz_: is it better than gaim? Jul 04 01:24:57 its the same thing , gaim turned into pidginn because aol sued them, but pidgins newer Jul 04 01:25:30 oh, thats right Jul 04 01:25:36 I forgot about that Jul 04 01:35:22 install the missing protocol plugin then Jul 04 01:55:30 anyone in here using openvpn on the n800? Jul 04 02:05:23 ok - so I removed gaim and went to install pidgin Jul 04 02:05:43 it fails because of missing dep: hildon-libs0 0.12.24-3 Jul 04 02:06:42 im tryin to figure out where to get all these reps too Jul 04 02:06:55 is there like an all inclusive one for the 770 Jul 04 02:07:14 i found some base, but it doesnt have smbfs Jul 04 02:07:45 yzf600: how is that bike? you touring on it? =D Jul 04 02:08:35 anyone know where i could get wvdial for 7770? Jul 04 02:08:38 770* Jul 04 02:08:50 i mean is there another apt source? Jul 04 02:12:50 cnc: no, too busy at home and work to go for long rides Jul 04 02:13:01 cnc: just commuting to work these days Jul 04 02:13:55 ah, same here Jul 04 02:14:13 i have my givis packed though, one of these weeks im going to escape Jul 04 02:15:28 damn. I just relized that when I re-flashed, I used firmware 2.2, not the latest 3.2 Jul 04 02:15:53 I'll bet this is causing my dep problems Jul 04 02:16:06 anyone got a 770 cross compiler setup? Jul 04 02:16:12 anybody and his brother can make a repository for the 770/800 Jul 04 02:16:17 i do Jul 04 02:16:23 you need wvdial? Jul 04 02:16:24 how do you check what version firmware you have? Jul 04 02:16:28 could you compile me wvdial? ya man that would be really nice Jul 04 02:16:39 i have been working on this problem forever ;\ and turns out wvdial works perfect Jul 04 02:16:51 cnc: I'm not sure. Jul 04 02:16:54 3.2006-49.2, is this 2.0? Jul 04 02:16:58 you have googled for it, i hope Niacin ? Jul 04 02:17:12 ya but there is no arm port of it Jul 04 02:17:17 well not port Jul 04 02:17:21 but arm package Jul 04 02:17:30 unless there is another apt source that has it? i couldnt find it Jul 04 02:18:01 you might have to download the .deb manually Jul 04 02:18:28 Google: Results 1 - 10 of about 591 for wvdial maemo. Jul 04 02:18:58 yeah but nothing of use Jul 04 02:19:37 I'm using wvdial, and everything works fine Jul 04 02:19:49 so where did the package come from? Jul 04 02:19:53 i can't find arm deb anywhere Jul 04 02:20:08 i don't know Jul 04 02:24:03 how do i install .deb files? just dpkg-deb --install ? Jul 04 02:25:32 dpkg -i *.deb Jul 04 02:26:13 ya gives me some error about being for arm instead of armtel Jul 04 02:26:18 or otherway around Jul 04 02:26:32 :/ Jul 04 02:26:34 armel* Jul 04 02:29:01 anyone know which repository has smbfs? Jul 04 02:38:51 craptacular Jul 04 02:38:59 I can't flash my 770 anymore Jul 04 02:39:11 I keep getting USB device found found at bus 002, device address 112 Jul 04 02:39:11 Error claiming USB interface: Operation not permitted Jul 04 02:39:48 oh Jul 04 02:40:00 dumbass - I forgot the sudo part Jul 04 02:40:02 sheesh Jul 04 02:41:05 maybe it's time to put the 770 down and take a break ;) Jul 04 02:41:31 i just got mine a few hours ago Jul 04 02:41:42 im only on my first excedrin Jul 04 02:42:39 cnc: from woot? Jul 04 02:42:46 missed the woot Jul 04 02:42:49 got from buy.com Jul 04 02:42:52 oh Jul 04 02:43:25 $139 - not bad Jul 04 02:43:43 ya, i used up my 10$ google discounts Jul 04 02:43:52 else it would be cheaper Jul 04 02:44:10 this thing is a real deal at $139, if you ask me Jul 04 02:44:52 ya Jul 04 02:45:01 pain in the ass if you dont know anything about linux Jul 04 02:45:13 but slowly, i will figure out what a repository is Jul 04 02:45:39 I can see that Jul 04 02:45:51 I've been a linux user for 8 years now Jul 04 02:46:02 red-hat, mandrake, and now ubuntu Jul 04 02:46:15 it's this last one that really helped me on the 770 Jul 04 02:46:43 b/c maemo is debian based like ubuntu Jul 04 02:47:09 a repository is basically an ftp site where code can be automatically downloaded by your 770 Jul 04 02:47:34 funny yzf600, that's about the exact history I have with linux Jul 04 02:47:41 it is in special format with special files that tell debian what is there and how to download it Jul 04 02:47:42 redhat, mandrake, ubuntu Jul 04 02:47:48 cept I had debian in there before ubuntu Jul 04 02:48:24 I started with red-hat, but everything was command line. My wife's brother said I should look at mandrake for easier config with GUI apps Jul 04 02:49:00 then I learned about ubuntu about a year ago and dumped mandrake. Mandrake really never was able to upgrade without hosing my system Jul 04 02:49:17 I hadn't used mandrake in years, had gone over to debian Jul 04 02:49:19 I'm now 2 upgrades into ubuntu without any major issues Jul 04 02:49:28 apt is god Jul 04 02:49:42 yes Jul 04 02:49:52 rpms suck Jul 04 02:50:03 now if I could just get openvpn going I'd be happy Jul 04 02:50:25 I just want freeNX running Jul 04 02:50:48 deb http://maemo-hackers.org/apt/ mistral main Jul 04 02:51:04 that is a complete repository Jul 04 02:51:06 main means i replace user with main in the components section? Jul 04 02:51:09 i just want minimo on mistral to invoke the keyboard when presented with an auth box Jul 04 02:51:10 an entry for one that is Jul 04 02:51:25 of the new catalogue creation window Jul 04 02:51:30 yes cnc Jul 04 02:51:35 without looking Jul 04 02:51:42 I'm 99% sure Jul 04 02:52:36 I'm thinking my 770 will be a great little gadget to integrate to my home security system Jul 04 02:52:51 not sure what freenx is Jul 04 02:53:11 freenx is a free version of NXserver, which is a vncserver replacement Jul 04 02:53:19 oh Jul 04 02:53:39 I suppose the easy to find vnc stuff is actual vnc? Jul 04 02:53:58 yea Jul 04 02:54:06 vnc is nice, but NX is faster Jul 04 02:54:34 and firefox and evolution won't run on an 800x480 vnc session on my 770 Jul 04 02:54:55 argh Jul 04 02:55:00 my wifi is blind again Jul 04 02:55:06 ? Jul 04 02:55:06 3rd time today Jul 04 02:55:24 wifi wont find any aps Jul 04 02:55:28 until you restart i Jul 04 02:55:30 it* Jul 04 02:56:28 is there a fix for this? Jul 04 02:57:05 no idea, never had that issue... mine seems to have better wifi than most laptops Jul 04 02:57:16 ya, wifi works great Jul 04 02:57:24 but once in a while it just shuts off and wont find any ap`s Jul 04 02:57:35 searches but no connecitons found Jul 04 02:57:48 weird Jul 04 02:57:49 ill reboot it and it will find 10 and work fine again Jul 04 02:57:51 that sucks Jul 04 02:58:19 i just got this thing a few hours ago Jul 04 02:59:51 yea - pidgin installed ! **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jul 04 02:59:56 2007