**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jul 04 02:59:56 2007 Jul 04 03:00:00 pidgin works well for me Jul 04 03:00:10 does nokia have a support number for these? Jul 04 03:00:14 probablyh Jul 04 03:04:33 <[yzf600]> Hello from my 770! Jul 04 03:04:50 =D Jul 04 03:04:55 I'm such a geek Jul 04 03:05:22 still cant install prog, how do i check if i put in the repo correctly? Jul 04 03:05:44 the refresh won't work if you entered the repo wrong Jul 04 03:05:44 edit the repo and check for typos, that's about it Jul 04 03:05:58 refresh/update Jul 04 03:06:49 <[yzf600]> Ok, time to signoff Jul 04 03:06:57 is it possible to use a proxy in opera? Jul 04 03:07:11 <[yzf600]> bedtime for this nerd Jul 04 03:07:21 'unable to refresh list' ? Jul 04 03:07:46 errors in a repo somewhere Jul 04 03:08:05 try replacing that "main" you were asking about with just "/" Jul 04 03:08:10 or nothing at all Jul 04 03:09:20 still wont refresh Jul 04 03:09:24 should i try user? Jul 04 03:09:41 can't hurt Jul 04 03:09:56 check the age of the info you're setting up a repo from Jul 04 03:10:05 repo might have moved or somesuch Jul 04 03:10:47 whats the bora repo for wget? Jul 04 03:11:07 no idea Jul 04 03:11:35 no date on it, but the link seems to work Jul 04 03:11:39 https://garage.maemo.org/frs/shownotes.php?release_id=132 Jul 04 03:12:37 actually, we may have completely missed something Jul 04 03:12:41 the new repo window Jul 04 03:12:51 won't require the "deb" before the address Jul 04 03:13:03 sorry bout that Jul 04 03:14:54 removed the two repos i typed in Jul 04 03:15:00 will see if it works without them Jul 04 03:19:33 ah, got it working Jul 04 03:19:38 it was the other random repo i put in Jul 04 03:19:46 must have been a dupe Jul 04 03:24:40 is it really necessary for me to need to sudo to run ping or traceroute :P Jul 04 03:26:56 not having much luck getting wvdial to install Jul 04 03:27:07 no one has a build env setup that they could just cross compile it for me? Jul 04 03:32:09 Does anyone know if it is possible to use Treo 700WX cell connection via BT? Jul 04 03:32:26 On 770 Jul 04 03:48:58 there a good wifi app out? Jul 04 03:49:22 something that shows signal strength in dbm and refreshes quick Jul 04 03:57:29 I'm trying to get the | (pipe) character on the onscreen keyboard on the 770 (latest OS 2006) Jul 04 03:57:37 I can't seem to find it Jul 04 03:57:40 can anyone help? Jul 04 03:57:42 yeah Jul 04 03:57:52 you can get to symbols, right? Jul 04 03:58:03 oh, there it is Jul 04 03:58:04 sorry Jul 04 03:58:04 yea Jul 04 03:58:07 there's tabs, Common, Symbols, Accents.. etc Jul 04 03:58:08 I wasn't looking close enough Jul 04 03:58:09 heh Jul 04 03:58:18 yeah, common tab :) middle/bottom Jul 04 03:58:25 err, symbols tab Jul 04 03:58:29 yea Jul 04 03:58:45 it is in an awkward place :/ Jul 04 03:59:02 ohhh, they put Documents as a dot folder Jul 04 03:59:03 heh Jul 04 03:59:05 how annoying Jul 04 04:00:21 . documents/images/sounds/videos? Jul 04 04:00:27 they're all hidden :/ Jul 04 04:00:46 yea Jul 04 04:01:07 hrm...I'm trying to install the gpe widgets lib via dpkg, and turns out they're compiled arm, not armel which is what dpkg wants Jul 04 04:01:28 know of another source other than kernelconcepts.de or compiling them myself? Jul 04 04:01:53 no clue, i'm too new to this :( Jul 04 04:01:57 ah Jul 04 04:01:58 heh Jul 04 04:02:08 know if its safe to force install arm packages? Jul 04 04:02:22 i, personally, wouldn't try it, but that's me and my newness talking Jul 04 04:02:55 erm Jul 04 04:02:55 yea Jul 04 04:03:43 well, I'll force it, and worst case just purge the package Jul 04 04:03:48 try searching for "gpe" at at http://maemo.org/downloads/ ? Jul 04 04:06:04 no libs there anyway Jul 04 04:06:05 grrrr Jul 04 04:09:14 and whats really annoying is that there _is_ a gpe program _in_ the maemo repository that depends on libgpewidget1, BUT it doesn't exist in the maemo repository!!!!! Jul 04 04:10:36 http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howtosyncgpe770withlinux/ Jul 04 04:11:12 something about libgpewidget there Jul 04 04:13:18 its making sym links, but the problem is that it assumes the gpe libs are _already_ installed Jul 04 04:14:35 http://oss.kernelconcepts.de/maemo/libraries.shtml - that must be the one you got? Jul 04 04:14:46 the ARM, not armel one? Jul 04 04:15:20 yea, they don't have any armel packages :( Jul 04 04:15:52 *sigh* Jul 04 04:15:58 I'll just try working with it tomorrow or something Jul 04 04:16:00 I need to get some sleep Jul 04 04:16:02 thanks for your help Jul 04 04:16:03 night Jul 04 04:16:06 later. Jul 04 04:17:42 apologies if this is OT... has anyone tried Gizmo on the n770 w/ success.... I can't make it use the secondary (generic SIP) configuration... Jul 04 05:28:00 Is there a way to raise the connection timeout in vncviewer? I am doing VNC-over-SSH, and the connection works via netcat, but I think vncviewer times out too quickly. Jul 04 05:47:19 yay! comic book viewer coming along nicely. Jul 04 05:47:54 I just need to find a way to zoom in and a way to handle double size pages Jul 04 06:00:55 good morning Jul 04 06:20:31 what's difference between "Internet connection failed" and "network connection error" Jul 04 06:22:44 cannot connect at all :( Jul 04 06:22:55 worked fine 20 minutes ago Jul 04 06:27:16 ugh, now its working, 3 reboots later Jul 04 06:32:53 what's the wlan signal strenght? Jul 04 06:35:33 Is there a default password for user, or should I set one? Jul 04 06:36:19 I don't think there is one Jul 04 06:40:09 coderanger: there's not passwd for user as it is not normally needed.. Jul 04 06:40:11 -t Jul 04 06:58:15 Hi Jul 04 07:03:16 only a little more work and I'll be able to easily read comic books and some pdfs on my 770 :-) Jul 04 07:08:49 KaylaKaze: are you scanning? Jul 04 07:13:56 hi there Jul 04 07:16:51 does anyone know an alternative for amixer on the n800 (i can't find amixer) Jul 04 07:47:35 Morning, all Jul 04 07:58:33 good morning Jul 04 07:59:03 http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2007/07/prism_1.jpg Jul 04 07:59:17 wtf was Nokia thinking Jul 04 08:00:46 out of the box? Jul 04 08:00:54 That there are lots of rich idiots in the world? Jul 04 08:01:06 lol Jul 04 08:01:28 hmm. apparently skype is still unreleased? Jul 04 08:06:19 hi all Jul 04 08:06:30 seems the talk is about skype....right? Jul 04 08:13:28 anyone knows something about the new firmware release for the N800 ? Jul 04 08:14:01 febb:i think the best advice is "a watched pot does not boil" ;-] Jul 04 08:15:03 gwak guess you are right ;-) but didn't hurt to ask anyway..... Jul 04 08:15:06 Thats the effect tat as soon as someone talks about it, it takes one more month ;) Jul 04 08:15:22 and a baby kitten dies Jul 04 08:15:32 damn...then there goes another month more. Jul 04 08:15:43 and one less kitty cat.... Jul 04 08:16:08 morning. Jul 04 08:16:28 and....what if I add another month: skype for n800? any news? or....super secret copy of the code ? Jul 04 08:17:31 febb:i thought the jkontherun blog said some time in july Jul 04 08:18:14 oh well...then 27 days more to go.... Jul 04 08:19:13 im looking forward to skype, Gizmo is way to laggy for pc->phone calls Jul 04 08:20:04 one last comment question: does any of you has managed to make the virtual keyboard to work with applications opened on the n800 from a remote X application (with ssh+X forwarding) ? Jul 04 08:20:35 well...Gizmo works quite well for me.. I want it cuz many of my contacts are on skype....and not many of them willing to move to gizmo just for me. Jul 04 08:20:55 it becomes a pain to open so many VoIP programs and many IM accounts...... Jul 04 08:21:17 Hi felipec ..... welcome. Jul 04 08:21:48 febb: whats the problem with vkb? cant invoke it or its just not working at all ? Jul 04 08:22:18 and guess what: Mr Murphy says: whenever skype comes out..then 2 days later a new firmware and skype wont run on it..... thats for sure. ;) Jul 04 08:22:47 febb: hi... fellow Mexican? Jul 04 08:23:06 jani: I can open a ssh session to a remote unix server, all variables are st OK and the X application do open perfectly on the N800 screen but Jul 04 08:23:20 all keyboard taps on the N800 screen never reach the X application. Jul 04 08:23:40 felipec yup...Mexican here, so are you ? Jul 04 08:23:53 mm dunno about that then. Jul 04 08:24:25 febb:for a remoted xterm as well? Jul 04 08:24:26 I have read somewhere that using a bluetooth keyboard works fine in that setting but i dont have one...(and done want one). Jul 04 08:24:49 gwak, yes,the same thing happens for a remoted xterm.... Jul 04 08:25:01 febb: yes Jul 04 08:25:01 no keystrokes -taps- are sent to the X app. Jul 04 08:25:33 febb: i think i read that the input methods do not generate normal xevents Jul 04 08:26:12 gwak yes, I read kind of the same thing also... the question is: what is different from a normal X server / client .... Jul 04 08:27:59 I need my N800 to be able to send those keyboard events to the remote X app. (once the app opened on the n800 screen, of course, which I already do). Jul 04 08:28:32 febb:i have not hacked at the low level bits yet ;-] , did you check the maemo.org docs about the input methods? Jul 04 08:29:58 gwak not really... haven't had the chance/time to do so... But I am pretty sure it can be "fixed" or set to operate as a normal X server / client session.... Jul 04 08:32:15 morning Jul 04 08:32:24 morning lardman Jul 04 08:34:28 febb: it apears that you would need a 'conversion' layer to convert meamo keyboard events to xevents Jul 04 08:34:35 https://garage.maemo.org/snippet/detail.php?type=snippet&id=5 Jul 04 08:35:17 let me check on that..... Jul 04 08:36:58 seems that is exactly what I am looking for.....Thanks so much gwak... Jul 04 08:37:05 Aloha! Jul 04 08:37:13 febb:np, i learned something as well ;-] Jul 04 08:38:44 great... I will read that doc and see what can be done........ For now, i guess its time to logoff its 03:40 am here ! Jul 04 08:40:07 well, gwak, thaks again I'll be back in some hours....I'll keep you posted as well.... Jul 04 08:40:11 later all ! Jul 04 08:40:17 febb:later Jul 04 08:41:12 g'nite.... or g'day to all ! :) Jul 04 08:57:13 hi Jul 04 08:59:37 where do i have to put / link a script when it should be executed each time i put a mmc into my n800 ???? Jul 04 08:59:55 good morning.. Jul 04 09:00:03 morning Jul 04 09:00:09 it's 11:00AM here ; Jul 04 09:00:23 dubdibdub: where are you? ;) Jul 04 09:00:31 europe/austria Jul 04 09:01:08 dubdibdub: it's 11 here too, but I feel like morning :P Jul 04 09:01:22 aahhh.... Jul 04 09:01:36 that's something completely different ;) Jul 04 09:01:38 I'm in germany.. Jul 04 09:01:48 17:00 here Jul 04 09:01:55 :P Jul 04 09:02:02 in Taipei currently :) Jul 04 09:02:20 dubdibdub, i m not sure but it sound like the trick would be to have a daemon waiting for a dbus event occuring when the card is inserted Jul 04 09:02:20 and yes, it feels like lunch time to me again Jul 04 09:02:21 edistar: nördlich oder südlich dem weisswurstäquator?? Jul 04 09:02:41 heh :-) Jul 04 09:02:49 melmoth: :( Jul 04 09:02:57 dubdibdub: eher nördlich :) niederrhein... fast bei Holland Jul 04 09:03:13 edistar: lol Jul 04 09:03:21 dubdibdub, it s not that a bad news. Jul 04 09:03:31 melmoth: isn't there something like /system/osso/af/on-camera-out Jul 04 09:03:40 not that i m aware of Jul 04 09:03:48 i just want to start a script - not write my own daemon waiting for messages from hell ;) Jul 04 09:03:54 dubdibdub: hehe, that would make life too simple :P Jul 04 09:04:28 so where can i find a small(!) dbus tutorial?? ---askin' google... Jul 04 09:05:22 have anyone of you ever made a 'n800-lite' (x-server only without matchbox, etc...) Jul 04 09:05:49 dubdibdub, actually in maemo, you may want to use libosso instead of dbus Jul 04 09:06:02 as far as i have understood, libosso is a sort of layer on top of dbus Jul 04 09:06:30 i wan't to get the n800 as light as possible (best without *osso*) Jul 04 09:06:33 ;) Jul 04 09:06:44 libosso is mandatory Jul 04 09:06:49 the whole gui works with it Jul 04 09:06:52 run fdisk on it :) Jul 04 09:07:16 Toni: good idea ;) Jul 04 09:07:28 it makes it quite light, but usability suffers a little Jul 04 09:07:41 a little lol Jul 04 09:07:51 http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/documentation/python_osso_examples/ Jul 04 09:07:58 do you want to strip the UI or also the OS? Jul 04 09:09:10 but i need X (my (sdl)app should run alone, doesn't need fancy ui), ALSA (my app plays some sound via aplay) Jul 04 09:11:07 but when i killall matchbox-window-manager it comes back again (?restarts automatically) Jul 04 09:11:12 all i say is the more likely way to be alerted of a change in the device available is via libosso (or dbus if there is no such libosso signal) Jul 04 09:13:48 what would happen if i apt-get remove matchbox-window-manager?? Jul 04 09:15:31 dubdibdub: just try.. I suppose it would say that you can't do that because of dependencies.. Jul 04 09:15:45 GRumble; i m not even sure there is such an event as "mmc card inserted" in osso http://maemo.org/api_refs/3.0/libosso/structosso__hw__state__t.html#o4 Jul 04 09:16:27 i'll give the matchbox-buttkick a try... Jul 04 09:17:33 http://pastebin.ca/602765 Jul 04 09:21:47 oops Jul 04 09:22:14 after removing: rebooting: progressbar get's stuck at about two thirds Jul 04 09:22:23 log on http://pastebin.ca/602771 Jul 04 09:28:04 strange...: it differs where exactly the progressbar gets stuck Jul 04 09:30:09 sorry Jul 04 09:30:13 i have to excure Jul 04 09:30:16 i have to excuse Jul 04 09:30:23 i am still able to ssh onto the device Jul 04 09:31:28 is is easy to get out where mmc cards are..: Jul 04 09:31:38 # mount|grep mmc|cut -d' ' -f3 Jul 04 09:46:20 i have a question about GObject properties Jul 04 09:46:25 am i responsible for the storage Jul 04 09:46:32 or GObject does it for me ? Jul 04 09:49:34 hello all! Jul 04 09:49:45 guardian, you must implement the set_propery and get_property and store the values Jul 04 09:50:00 ok i understand Jul 04 09:51:35 hola eugene Jul 04 09:52:19 melmoth: you are up early Jul 04 09:52:49 it s nearly noon here :) Jul 04 09:52:56 melmoth: :) Jul 04 09:53:59 melmoth: i think gnome-vfs has event for that.. Jul 04 10:03:42 i fail to see an advantage using properties Jul 04 10:03:48 compared to my own get/set functions Jul 04 10:04:06 guardian, language bindings Jul 04 10:04:20 like with python ? Jul 04 10:04:29 yeah Jul 04 10:04:59 when using properties, I think some generators can do the work for you Jul 04 10:05:53 And also you can set many things with one call etc Jul 04 10:06:49 For example g_object_new(MY_TYPE_FOO, "foo", 1, "bar", 2, NULL); Jul 04 10:08:56 if i want both Jul 04 10:09:03 And of course you can abuse the property system to write saveable objects Jul 04 10:09:13 do i need somehow to notify the property has changed Jul 04 10:09:17 in my set function Jul 04 10:10:50 guardian, yeah, you should call g_object_notify(your_gobject, "property_name"); Jul 04 10:11:14 And obviously you can make the set_property and get_property call the setter/getter respectively Jul 04 10:11:37 And it is often smart, as you might want to do something special when the property is changes Jul 04 10:11:43 -s+d Jul 04 11:46:50 aCiDBaSe: are you still working on pymaemo? Jul 04 11:48:55 geez, reading the doc helps :) Jul 04 11:48:59 Calling gdk_draw_rectangle (window, gc, FALSE, 0, 0, 20, 20) results in an outlined rectangle with corners at (0, 0), (0, 20), (20, 20), and (20, 0), which makes it 21 pixels wide and 21 pixels high. Jul 04 11:49:04 21 pixels *sight* Jul 04 11:55:17 I get "error: memory exhausted -- trying to return to prompt" in octave when trying to read data file to a matrix on N800 Jul 04 11:55:28 The file isn't big, just couple of lines Jul 04 11:55:47 On pc it works fine Jul 04 11:56:09 Any good guesses how to solve this? Jul 04 11:57:16 I use the fscanf function to read the file Jul 04 12:33:39 guardian, I bet there was some important reason for doing that... Jul 04 12:34:18 %s/important/legacy/ :) Jul 04 12:34:45 guardian, imo it makes no sense, either it should take the size of the contained rect or the bounding rect, not some weird combination Jul 04 12:36:10 guardian, or the width and height should be x2 and y2 and it should act the same independent of the filled argument Jul 04 12:36:35 Hysterical raisins bite. You die. Jul 04 12:36:41 :) Jul 04 12:37:04 Die [yn] Jul 04 12:38:06 y Jul 04 12:39:00 You die -more- Jul 04 12:39:09 Jul 04 12:50:30 Inconsistency detected by ld.so: rtld.c: 1192: dl_main: Assertion `(void *) ph->p_vaddr == _rtld_local._dl_sysinfo_dso' failed! Jul 04 12:50:33 sigh. Jul 04 13:51:55 hello, is maemo with multi-user support? or is it possible? Jul 04 14:07:14 melmoth: ping Jul 04 14:07:21 pong Jul 04 14:07:25 melmoth: see: Jul 04 14:07:25 [ 1284.911987] do_execve for /bin/ash from sh Jul 04 14:07:25 [ 1286.591308] do_execve for /sbin/getty from init Jul 04 14:07:25 [ 1286.863861] do_execve for /bin/dmesg from ash Jul 04 14:07:28 hehe :) Jul 04 14:08:17 hmm Jul 04 14:08:30 is this your systemtapthingy working ? Jul 04 14:08:35 not yet. Jul 04 14:08:53 hey...don't forget to put all of this on garage ! Jul 04 14:08:58 what is the difference between flasher 2.0 and flasher 3.0? Jul 04 14:09:12 basically i'm utilising jprobe_return to get hold of the .return of do_execve Jul 04 14:09:15 melmoth: nod nod :) Jul 04 14:09:52 somehow init loves to spawn getty often. Jul 04 14:09:59 i wonder why. Jul 04 14:11:52 and what is the OS 2007 hacker edition for 770? Jul 04 14:12:34 edistar, it is an effort to backport feature that are officially supported in the n800 os to the n700 tablet Jul 04 14:12:38 or so i understand Jul 04 14:13:21 melmoth: is it unstable? Jul 04 14:13:21 :P Jul 04 14:14:02 i do not know, i only have a n800 :) Jul 04 14:14:25 which flasher should I use now, 2.0 or 3.0? for the 770? Jul 04 14:14:31 but i have been told it s rather stable..But you may not find all the video codec in it. Jul 04 14:14:50 okey.. Jul 04 14:16:31 anyone know why cu buffers only 1 char at a time? Jul 04 14:21:02 can anyone tell me how to flash my 770 so that it can use nfs shares? Jul 04 14:21:24 edistar: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/howto_kernel_guide_bora.html Jul 04 14:21:43 "Compiling kernel modules" section Jul 04 14:22:11 eugene: there is already a kernel but I don't know how to use it.. or how to select that kernel for flashin Jul 04 14:22:14 g Jul 04 14:22:34 eugene: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/os2006-ipv6-nfs Jul 04 14:22:55 edistar: that i'm not so sure. Jul 04 14:23:25 okey... cause I don't know how to compile a module that fits my current kernel Jul 04 14:23:32 I would have to replace the kernel too anyway.. Jul 04 14:26:26 can't I just get the module somewhere? Jul 04 15:18:08 whats the package url for 2006? for xterm etc? Jul 04 15:20:20 ?? Jul 04 15:28:35 no one?????;\ Jul 04 15:28:41 http://repository.maemo.org doesnt have ssh Jul 04 15:28:47 http://maemo-hackers.org/apt seems to be down Jul 04 15:31:33 ?? Jul 04 15:35:30 is there a mirror for maemo-hackers.org? Jul 04 15:36:52 hi everybody Jul 04 15:37:30 can anybody recommend a plugin for a ThinkOutside BT keyboard for a 770? I downloaded one, but all it seems to do is crash the tablet Jul 04 15:43:37 the one time i need it Jul 04 15:43:41 http://maemo-hackers.org/apt is toast Jul 04 15:49:16 i need to define variables for data subdirectories /usr/share/mypackage/subdir1 /usr/share/mypackage/subdir2 etc Jul 04 15:49:54 would you define subdir1 subdir2 variables in configure.ac Jul 04 15:50:03 like subdir1=$datadir/somewhere Jul 04 15:50:12 then use AC_SUBST(subdir1) Jul 04 15:50:25 or would you define subdir1 directly in Makefile.am ? Jul 04 15:50:35 doing sub1dir=$(datadir)/somewhere Jul 04 15:51:52 and you are doing now a new/proper python2.5 build? just that I know on what I should do next Jul 04 16:51:02 hmm Jul 04 16:51:06 is there a way i can hack Jul 04 16:51:07 so that Jul 04 16:51:17 make install installs stuff to the device through ssh ? :/ Jul 04 16:51:31 "ssh" in the sentence makes it sound impossible Jul 04 16:53:55 guardian:you could script scp i imagine Jul 04 16:54:23 well yeah but wasting time scripting ... i better use this time building a proper installation package Jul 04 16:54:32 ;-] Jul 04 17:13:47 guardian, sshfs (FUSE) should allow such Jul 04 17:15:23 is this easy to use ? Jul 04 17:16:02 guardian, never used, but the product page ( http://fuse.sourceforge.net/sshfs.html ) says sshfs [user@]hostname:[dir] mountpoint Jul 04 17:17:53 hmm Jul 04 17:17:59 requires to be part of the group fuse Jul 04 17:18:10 is there a way to reload groups without signing off ? Jul 04 17:19:53 guardian, su Jul 04 17:20:16 guardian, obviously that only adds you to the group for that shell Jul 04 17:22:32 ok Jul 04 17:22:40 gonna definitely try it, thx for the tip Jul 04 17:22:50 btw i have another question Jul 04 17:22:54 you mentioned python bindings Jul 04 17:23:13 my widget currently has a set_foo function that takes a Foo structure as a parameter Jul 04 17:23:32 what do i need to do when i want to use my widget from python (if it happens some day) Jul 04 17:44:30 problem with comic books is you have to wait for the next issdue to continue the story. grrr Jul 04 18:10:33 anyone use xchat aqua on an n800? Jul 04 18:10:38 trying to figure out how to get rid of the user list Jul 04 18:12:12 er Jul 04 18:12:15 not xchat aqua Jul 04 18:12:17 maemo xchat Jul 04 18:40:35 ubuntu feisty Jul 04 18:42:43 hi, i just got a 770 from woot, does anyone know if i can put a 2gb rs-mmc card in it and have it work? Jul 04 18:43:13 yes Jul 04 18:44:07 great, thanks Jul 04 19:19:09 hi all Jul 04 19:29:00 hello febb Jul 04 19:29:28 wb febb Jul 04 19:30:19 hi ceswan ! Jul 04 19:30:25 Hola felipec ! Jul 04 19:31:01 febb: tab completion is your friend ;) Jul 04 19:33:48 cesman: beg you pardon ? ;) Jul 04 19:53:43 hmm Jul 04 19:53:53 needed to reinstall scratchbox and sdk on another box Jul 04 19:54:28 is this normal that i have to launch sudo ./maemo-scratchbox-install_3.1.sh -d ? Jul 04 19:54:38 the INSTALL.txt files does not tell about "-d" Jul 04 19:54:47 if i don't put the option, i just have the help text Jul 04 19:54:51 on a fresh feisty Jul 04 20:33:10 did somebody see die hard 4? Jul 04 20:33:21 the bad ones use some n770 :) Jul 04 20:35:47 nice Jul 04 20:36:10 what do they use if for? Jul 04 20:36:20 dunno Jul 04 20:36:30 I hope not calling :p Jul 04 20:36:32 the bad one has a whole bunch of equipment Jul 04 20:36:37 nah Jul 04 20:36:49 i recognized it, when i hacked into some jet fighter Jul 04 20:36:57 the movie isn't overly realistic, but hey :) Jul 04 20:37:12 I a was at the dump store on monday , I now have a very cool case like in the films Jul 04 20:39:38 oh ehrm Jul 04 20:39:55 not when "i" hacked into some jet fighter, but the bad guy :) Jul 04 21:27:02 is there an apt-get autoremove option? Jul 04 21:31:51 more accurately, is there a way to add it? Jul 04 21:43:21 Anyone else having issues with the maemo repo? Jul 04 22:39:42 comic viewer all done! yay! Jul 04 22:39:59 it sucks with pdfs though 'cause it has to use ghost script externally Jul 04 22:45:18 Good, now fix the missing files in repo issue. Jul 04 23:04:52 Hey. Jul 04 23:05:19 ericz: Enjoying your 770? Jul 04 23:05:40 anyone know how to tie a IAP to a script? Jul 04 23:05:47 the stuff on maemo dont work ;\ Jul 04 23:10:54 Hey, does anyone here know much about Hacker 2007? Can I safely run "apt-get upgrade" on it and install all updates, or will that mess it up by pulling in packages from real 2007 that are incompatible with the 770? Jul 04 23:12:33 I would put money on it messing up Jul 04 23:12:36 milhouse: Oh. Jul 04 23:13:12 so. i love the n800. i was running 7-8 apps at once, and it was doing wonderfully Jul 04 23:13:13 <||cw> I would say there's a change, but I wouldn't put money on it. I think the main difference is in the kernel Jul 04 23:13:35 question though. should i move it to booting off the internal card? Jul 04 23:13:37 <||cw> rhys: yeah, it's amazing what 128M ram will do Jul 04 23:13:44 i wouldn't actually expect apt-get to complete without some sort of error, most likely dependency related Jul 04 23:13:51 <||cw> always puzzled my why the 770 only has 64 Jul 04 23:14:08 make it an uncompressed filesystem..is there a boot time increase? how big should the internal card be? i have a 512 and 2gb Jul 04 23:14:41 ||cw, what do you mean? Jul 04 23:14:41 ||cw: 256Mb in the N800 :) Jul 04 23:14:42 oh Jul 04 23:14:49 nvm. your comment was to my first. Jul 04 23:15:05 <||cw> milhouse: of ram? hm, missed that Jul 04 23:15:23 ||cw: yes 256Mb RAM, 128Mb flash in N800, half of each in the 770 Jul 04 23:15:50 milhouse: Wait, the 770 has 128 MB RAM and 64 MB flash? I thought it was the other way around. Jul 04 23:16:10 <||cw> milhouse: other way, Jul 04 23:16:12 <||cw> Memory and Storage Jul 04 23:16:12 <||cw> * RAM 128 MB Jul 04 23:16:12 <||cw> * Flash 256MB Jul 04 23:16:15 milhouse, other way around Jul 04 23:16:18 you sure? Jul 04 23:16:23 shiit... Jul 04 23:16:31 milhouse: free on my N770 says 62224 kB. Jul 04 23:16:37 milhouse: (total) Jul 04 23:16:57 damn you're right - 128Mb RAM in my n800. sorry chaps Jul 04 23:17:05 lol Jul 04 23:17:16 :D Jul 04 23:17:16 so what he said :) Jul 04 23:17:35 anyone boot off the internal card? Jul 04 23:17:46 only when trying sardine Jul 04 23:17:59 milhouse: Sardine's for the N770, right? How well does it work? What's it do? Jul 04 23:18:01 (which seems pretty broken right now - failed to upgrade today) Jul 04 23:18:32 it used to be for the 770, but probably just the n800 now (OS 2007) Jul 04 23:18:40 milhouse: Really? Jul 04 23:18:42 milhouse, is there any speed increase to having the whole os on the internal card? Jul 04 23:19:01 milhouse: http://sardine.garage.maemo.org/about.html <-- is this out of date? Jul 04 23:19:08 ttuttle: not really... i was sure the N800 had 256MB RAM until recently! ;) Jul 04 23:19:30 milhouse: What about Herring? Jul 04 23:19:46 hard to say if it's out of date but "probably" Jul 04 23:19:58 milhouse: Basically is there anything newer/better than Hacker 2007 for me to run on my 770? Jul 04 23:20:14 not sure about Herring either... there's so little accurate/up to date info about either - none of the documentation has been updated in months Jul 04 23:20:20 milhouse: /me cries Jul 04 23:20:47 I tried Sardine on N800 today and it crapped out installing one of the libraries (lib-thumbnail or something) Jul 04 23:20:48 milhouse: It's like those jokes about how you buy something and it's already obsolete and unsupported. Except it's true. Jul 04 23:21:00 milhouse: Is there a way to back up the entire device, internal flash and all? Jul 04 23:21:20 ttuttle: only by copying to mmc/sd Jul 04 23:21:40 milhouse: Could I tar up the entire root filesystem? Jul 04 23:21:51 milhouse: Or could I install Sardine on the MMC card? Jul 04 23:21:51 probably, but what would you do with it? Jul 04 23:21:58 sardine on mmc is what i do Jul 04 23:22:08 milhouse: Okay. What's it like? And where do I get it? Jul 04 23:22:57 when it works, it's not very usable - quite often the desktop is screwed up. i only try upgrading every now and again out of curiosity, hopfeul that i'll see something insanely great. no luck so far! Jul 04 23:23:13 milhouse: Where do I get it? Jul 04 23:23:13 You can follow these instructions Jul 04 23:23:13 http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_GetStartedWithSardine Jul 04 23:23:24 assuming you installed a package with make install within the n800 itself, does reflashing it remove everything with a default root tree? Jul 04 23:24:29 milhouse: Will the 64MB card Nokia included be big enough? Jul 04 23:24:30 note that the repository in step 1.5 at the end is wrong... should be "deb http://repository.maemo.org sardine main non-free" Jul 04 23:25:11 ttuttle: no, you'll need at least 128MB, possibly more Jul 04 23:25:18 milhouse: What's in it that's so big? Jul 04 23:25:53 well your 64MB internal flash memory is compressed so will expand to more than 64Mb on an non-compressed filesystem such as ext2 Jul 04 23:26:00 plus you'll need some working space Jul 04 23:26:05 milhouse: What if I use JFFS2 on the flash too? Jul 04 23:26:09 milhouse: I mean on the MMC? Jul 04 23:26:16 hmmm Jul 04 23:26:18 it might work Jul 04 23:26:25 probably easier to get a bigger card :) Jul 04 23:26:46 milhouse: Yeah but I don't have one. Jul 04 23:27:27 ttuttle: you will live with it when you can't even eject the card out :) Jul 04 23:27:58 eugene: your question about make, the answer is "yes" Jul 04 23:28:00 eugene: Er, why wouldn't I be able to eject it? Jul 04 23:28:17 milhouse: ah. Jul 04 23:28:48 ttuttle: referring to my own experience with n800 external sd slot. maybe my nails aren't long enough :) Jul 04 23:29:00 milhouse: with this? /flasher-3.0 -u -F RX-34_2007SE_3.2007.10-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin Jul 04 23:29:43 that just unpacks the image into your current directory on your PC Jul 04 23:29:59 that won't reflash the device Jul 04 23:30:56 milhouse: what if i want to reflash the device? Jul 04 23:37:25 try flasher-3.0 -f -R -F RX-34_2007SE_3.2007.10-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin Jul 04 23:38:30 h Jul 04 23:38:31 ah Jul 04 23:39:01 milhouse: only this may be a silly question. what's the diff if it does the same thing? Jul 04 23:39:05 s/only/ok/ Jul 04 23:39:05 eugene meant: milhouse: ok this may be a silly question. what's the diff if it does the same thing? Jul 04 23:39:24 it doesn't Jul 04 23:39:27 do the same thing Jul 04 23:39:40 probably the same effect, but what's the diff? Jul 04 23:40:16 the -u option unpacks the FIASCO image (which contains multiple seperate filesystems) to your local directory where you can then, if you choose, flash individual filesystems on to the device Jul 04 23:41:06 ah, ok. i got it. Jul 04 23:41:07 while the -f option does actually flash the FIASCO image (-F) or individual filesystems (-k, -x, -r, -n) on to the device Jul 04 23:42:23 if you just want to replace the kernel on your device, you can extract the kernel filesystem from the image using the -u option then flash the kernel on to the device using -x Jul 04 23:42:35 actually -f -x Jul 04 23:43:00 most likely you would replace the kernel with a community version with fast MMC support (770) or SDHC (n800) Jul 04 23:43:02 ./flasher-3.0 -f -k zImage Jul 04 23:43:05 yep Jul 04 23:43:09 nod. i did this yesterday. Jul 04 23:43:25 and maybe -r to automatically reboot it, but that's possibly a personal preference :) Jul 04 23:43:31 nod nod :) Jul 04 23:43:49 argh Jul 04 23:43:54 this problem isnt fixing itself =\ Jul 04 23:44:08 i probably try to install the app manually, and then reflash it to get back the default factory reset Jul 04 23:44:30 what that means is that i have to install the gcc and g++ as well :/ Jul 04 23:44:35 yes, that what reflashing - factory reset :) Jul 04 23:44:40 anyone else having trouble with wifi? mine keeps going blind until you restart the tab Jul 04 23:44:46 s/reflashing/reflashing is/ Jul 04 23:44:46 milhouse meant: yes, that what reflashing is - factory reset :) Jul 04 23:44:53 hehe Jul 04 23:45:18 cnc: solid as a rock here (Linksys WRT54GS v2 + Sveasoft firmware) Jul 04 23:45:22 and N800 Jul 04 23:45:26 and 770 :) Jul 04 23:45:48 my 770 usually finds 5-10 ap`s Jul 04 23:46:03 but randomly it decides to go blind and wont find anything till you reboot it Jul 04 23:46:26 You should file a bug Jul 04 23:46:44 i dont know anything about linux or debugging Jul 04 23:47:27 Sign up at bugs.maemo.org and create an account then file a bug (see this one for reference: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1608) Jul 04 23:47:57 if you can provide as much detail as possible (your router make and firmware) then Nokia will hopefully investigate (even going so far as buying that make of router) Jul 04 23:48:22 milhouse: luckily routers are cheaper than 16-gb numa machines Jul 04 23:48:29 s/16-gb/ Jul 04 23:49:14 depends - i've seen routers costing over 100K :) Jul 04 23:49:50 hehe Jul 04 23:50:25 dont think its my router Jul 04 23:50:39 cant connect to my router tho Jul 04 23:50:50 not saying it is, but Nokia need to reproduce the problem in order to fix the N800 (if it is the n800) Jul 04 23:51:05 it just connects and does a local link IP Jul 04 23:51:11 when im 5 feet away from it Jul 04 23:51:15 its a 770 Jul 04 23:51:15 have you got any mac address filtering? Jul 04 23:51:36 nope, i tried it completely disabling all security Jul 04 23:51:40 with wep, wpa Jul 04 23:51:44 all variations Jul 04 23:51:52 what make/model/firmware is it? Jul 04 23:51:55 of the router Jul 04 23:52:00 lemme check Jul 04 23:52:02 is it an 11n job? Jul 04 23:52:09 are you running the latest firmware? Jul 04 23:52:16 on the router Jul 04 23:53:38 uh, doubt it Jul 04 23:53:44 i havent touched the router in years Jul 04 23:53:52 you might want to update it Jul 04 23:53:55 SMC 2804WBR Jul 04 23:54:02 Hardware Version: 01 Jul 04 23:54:03 Serial Num: A322020224 Jul 04 23:54:03 thats the first thing to try really Jul 04 23:54:43 i havent seen instructions for this but is it possible to view and type chinese? Jul 04 23:55:06 i think its the 770 though, i had the router off and my 770 wifi went blind Jul 04 23:55:08 view yes, type not so sure Jul 04 23:55:38 i just recieved it yesterday and i had to reset it 4x now Jul 04 23:55:47 so im thinking it may be a hardware fault Jul 04 23:55:58 milhouse: any idea where i can download the fonts? Jul 04 23:55:59 cnc - well, check if it works with any other routers if you get the chance (public library?) but if it's specific to your router and you're running the latest router firmware then a bug report is probably the best way to progress resolution Jul 04 23:56:31 yeah the wifi runs great from a neighbor Jul 04 23:56:55 but i dont feel like leeching from neighbors Jul 04 23:57:31 and it wont connect to another neighbor router that my old ipaq had no trouble with (local link thing) Jul 04 23:57:39 brb, reinstalling laptop. Jul 04 23:58:18 can you swap your 770 quite easily ? Jul 04 23:58:19 but either way it shouldnt be going blind when there are 5-10 AP`s around Jul 04 23:58:31 is this with your SMC on or off? Jul 04 23:58:38 off and on Jul 04 23:58:45 and i bouhgt it from buy.com Jul 04 23:59:02 havent checked their return policies Jul 04 23:59:14 nokia support is off today Jul 04 23:59:15 there was someone on the ITT forum who said his device (I think it was a N800) went "blind" and he fixed it by replacing the battery... i've no idea why that would work though Jul 04 23:59:30 mine requires a restart to fix it Jul 04 23:59:33 buy.com would be your best bet if you've just bought it Jul 04 23:59:46 Blind to wifi? Oh, you can fix that with xterm. Just kill and restart wlancond. Jul 04 23:59:49 yeah, i think he actually replaced the battery with another but like i say, i've no idea why that should work Jul 05 00:00:26 ttuttle: is this a common thing? Jul 05 00:00:53 having to restart it every 2 hours or so Jul 05 00:01:10 definately not common Jul 05 00:01:20 what version are you running by the way? Jul 05 00:01:29 firmware on the 770? Jul 05 00:01:40 the 770 is 2006, 49-2 if i remember correctly Jul 05 00:01:42 lemme check Jul 05 00:02:15 yep, 2006.49-2 Jul 05 00:02:31 cnc: Not quite that often. Jul 05 00:02:33 k that is the latest 770 firmware - 49-2 didn't fix much but it did fix some wifi related reboots Jul 05 00:03:27 ok, probably a hardware thing then Jul 05 00:04:16 possibly, if you can get a replacement then do so otherwise try bugzilla Jul 05 00:04:46 Due to manufacturers' policies, Buy.com cannot accept returns on this item for any reason. The manufacturer will handle all exchanges and replacements. Jul 05 00:04:51 ahh Jul 05 00:05:09 im going to end up with a refurb Jul 05 00:05:10 lol Jul 05 00:06:21 in that case you might as well kick off a bugzilla entry and see if nokia can fix it in software (which helps everyone else) or ship it back to nokia Jul 05 00:06:53 yeah, but i cant provide any technical details Jul 05 00:06:59 the wifi just goes blind until restart Jul 05 00:07:06 completely random im guessing Jul 05 00:08:43 cnc - sure you can, start with the description of the problem and the hardware details (your 770 and firmware level, your router and firmware level) then see what Nokia come back with. They may ask you to run some commands on a command line (xterm etc.) and paste back the results Jul 05 00:08:49 they don't bite either :) Jul 05 00:09:04 do you need root for xterm? Jul 05 00:09:09 it's a dialog so they'll ask you to supply any info they need and if you don't know how they'll explain Jul 05 00:09:16 xterm: yes Jul 05 00:09:27 install either "becomeroot" or put your device into R&D mode Jul 05 00:09:42 dang, i was hoping to skip those tutorials Jul 05 00:09:48 back to the drawing board =x Jul 05 00:09:55 becomeroot is probably easiest - should be listed in the application manager Jul 05 00:10:21 ssh is easy way to get root Jul 05 00:10:51 you need root to install ssh :) Jul 05 00:11:33 no, the dropbear package on maemo.org works, install tht Jul 05 00:12:02 some people seem to have trouble with dropbear while open ssh is a lot less troublesome Jul 05 00:12:27 dropbear was fine for me :) Jul 05 00:13:52 what is dropbear? Jul 05 00:13:54 ssh? Jul 05 00:14:09 dropbear is a version of ssh designed for devices with small amounts of memory Jul 05 00:14:46 it's a bit smaller than the open ssh package, but the 770/N800 have enough memory to run the full fat version Jul 05 00:18:45 I want the n800 to boot off the internal SD card whenever its there, but off the flash when it cant find it Jul 05 00:19:00 the "boot menu" doesnt seem to be what i want Jul 05 00:22:58 you should be able to code that test in the script Jul 05 00:23:10 rhys: bootmenu should do that for you Jul 05 00:23:34 i think you can set the default boot device, by default it's internal flash but you should be able to set mmc1 Jul 05 00:23:49 search the ITT forum for details Jul 05 00:23:54 it's been discussed in the past Jul 05 00:23:58 milhouse, arent they named mmc0 and mmc2? Jul 05 00:24:18 milhouse, ok then.. Jul 05 00:24:19 er, probably - yes you're right Jul 05 00:24:24 not on my n800 Jul 05 00:24:29 mmc1 and mmc2 Jul 05 00:24:39 oh. kk then Jul 05 00:24:44 the device names are 0 and 1, the mount points are 1 and 2 Jul 05 00:24:48 err, what rwhitby says - don't listen to me Jul 05 00:27:49 Got a link for that default boot device info? Jul 05 00:28:01 no Jul 05 00:28:05 :( Jul 05 00:28:13 check the MMC threads Jul 05 00:28:20 where they discuss booting etc. Jul 05 00:34:01 k, put in a bugzilla Jul 05 00:34:24 ttuttle, am enjoying it :P finally got telnet. Jul 05 00:34:34 cnc - good man, that way it will help everyone Jul 05 00:34:48 no clue what half the terms they asked were, but hopefully someone competant with linux will have solved the problem hehe Jul 05 00:36:43 the Alias box is for internal Nokia bug tracking, should have left it blank but that's OK :) Jul 05 00:37:04 whoops, thought they wanted my name there Jul 05 00:37:06 lol Jul 05 00:37:10 lol Jul 05 00:50:57 ericz: nice Jul 05 00:51:50 is there a way to add more than just AccuRadio HitKast to the home radio applet? Jul 05 00:52:38 ttuttle, you're running hacker 2007, right? any major coolness that would make me go nuts? Jul 05 00:52:53 ericz: Yeah, it's got some UI improvements, it's a little faster. Jul 05 00:53:09 ah, did you get a 2gb card? Jul 05 00:53:10 ericz: You can do OBEX PUSH, and you can make it Bluetooth-visible. Jul 05 00:53:12 ericz: Not yet. Jul 05 00:53:22 i don't have anything bluetooth anyway :/ Jul 05 00:53:41 ericz: There's other stuff too, I forget. Jul 05 00:53:46 ericz: Oh, the browser has newer Flash. Jul 05 00:54:22 are dialogs for things still like 6-7 deep in the menu, just to remove a connection? Jul 05 00:54:36 anyone using openvpn in here? Jul 05 00:54:44 ericz: What things? Jul 05 00:54:54 the dialog to remove a wifi connection, it's like.. Jul 05 00:55:12 6 or 7 menus/dialogs/clicks deep Jul 05 00:56:00 ericz: Applications > Tools > Control Panel > Connectivity > Connections > (pick connection) > Delete > Delete (confirm). 8 clicks. Jul 05 00:56:10 Menu > Tools > Connection Manager > Tools > Connectivity Manager > Connections > Delete, ya Jul 05 00:57:14 ericz: The Connection Manager seems redundant. Jul 05 01:02:17 ericz: it's clear that Nokia didn't have the '3 clicks maximum to every operation' person that Palm had ... Jul 05 01:02:28 i guess not :/ Jul 05 01:04:22 rwhitby: That's a cool idea. Jul 05 01:05:28 you've got to be able to add radio stations to the home radio applet, right? Jul 05 01:05:32 ttuttle: there was a senior person at Palm who mandated that for the PalmOS interface. Jul 05 01:05:54 i'll edit some file in ssh, i don't mind.. i need more than AccuRadio HitKast Jul 05 01:06:12 ericz: http://www.rwhitby.net/blog/n800/changing-internet-radio-channel-name.html Jul 05 01:06:38 you can add them in the Media Player, but can't change them without editing the file directly. Jul 05 01:06:48 i've got a 770, will be similar? Jul 05 01:08:07 that folder's not on 770 Jul 05 01:10:01 The n800 has infrared right? Jul 05 01:10:23 No. Jul 05 01:10:32 :( Jul 05 01:10:34 Hrm. Jul 05 01:19:36 why 4 partitions to the internal carD? Jul 05 01:20:55 why do you ask? Jul 05 01:21:18 if you're discussing dual booting, two is probably the minimu m Jul 05 01:21:28 s/minimu m/minimum/ Jul 05 01:21:28 milhouse meant: if you're discussing dual booting, two is probably the minimum Jul 05 01:21:45 :) Jul 05 01:21:53 the first being FAT and the second ext2 or ext3 Jul 05 01:21:53 fooking bots. Jul 05 01:22:23 i like infobot, just a shame you can't teach it Jul 05 01:22:44 why the 4 though? Jul 05 01:22:53 we use IRC at work, and you can train the channel bots (they're called _monkey rather than infobot_) Jul 05 01:23:06 i think that was the authors preference Jul 05 01:23:40 as i say, the minimum you need is 2 - the first partition should be fat so that you can mount it in windows, and the second partition is where you copy your OS Jul 05 01:23:48 any partitions after that don't matter Jul 05 01:24:03 so on a 2GB card, I'd create 1.5GB FAT and 512MB ext Jul 05 01:24:07 s/ext/ext2 Jul 05 01:24:33 test Jul 05 01:24:41 s/est/esticles/ Jul 05 01:24:41 milhouse meant: testicles Jul 05 01:24:42 why create the FAT at all? Jul 05 01:24:48 so you can mount it in windows Jul 05 01:24:55 should you want to transfer data etc Jul 05 01:24:56 i dont use windows though.. Jul 05 01:24:58 oh Jul 05 01:25:14 also i think bootmenu is coded by default to boot from partition 2 Jul 05 01:26:01 oh. ill make sure to remember that. Jul 05 01:26:12 i have a 4gb external card Jul 05 01:26:19 i think the tablet may only mount p1 as vfat so if you create p1 using another filesystem the first parition may not auto mount - just a hunch though Jul 05 01:26:56 fine, use whatever ratios you are comfortable with - you only need about 256MB max for the parition you boot from Jul 05 01:27:30 do the apps go on the vfat? Jul 05 01:27:46 no, they go on the partition you have booted from Jul 05 01:28:11 so if you boot from internal flash they are installed on internal flash... if you boot from external mmc partition 2, thats where they are installed Jul 05 01:28:48 hm. so from a 2gb card, 1.5vfat partition 1, 512mbext2 partition 2. Jul 05 01:28:49 you could create a 1GB second partition giving you tons of room to install apps, but my experience is that filesystem will corrupt itself long before you fill it! ;) Jul 05 01:29:03 yeah 1.5/.5 should work fine Jul 05 01:31:46 test Jul 05 01:31:53 s/test/$_ Jul 05 01:31:59 hmm... Jul 05 01:32:04 s/hmm/foo Jul 05 01:32:04 needs a trailing / Jul 05 01:32:07 ah Jul 05 01:32:11 test Jul 05 01:32:12 s/test/foo/ Jul 05 01:32:14 ttuttle meant: foo Jul 05 01:32:16 test Jul 05 01:32:19 s/test/$_ Jul 05 01:32:23 s/test/$_/ Jul 05 01:32:23 ttuttle meant: s/$_/$_ Jul 05 01:32:30 test Jul 05 01:32:33 s/test/\1/ Jul 05 01:32:34 ttuttle meant: \1 Jul 05 01:32:37 hmm, well written. Jul 05 01:32:42 s/ / /g Jul 05 01:32:48 ah-HA! Jul 05 01:34:28 test Jul 05 01:34:29 s/foo/bar Jul 05 01:34:34 s/test/foo Jul 05 01:34:37 s/foo/foo Jul 05 01:34:40 you keep missing that trailing / Jul 05 01:34:40 test Jul 05 01:34:42 yeah Jul 05 01:34:42 test Jul 05 01:34:46 s/foo/bar/ Jul 05 01:34:50 s/foo/bar/ Jul 05 01:34:56 test Jul 05 01:34:58 s/test/foo/ Jul 05 01:34:58 ttuttle meant: foo Jul 05 01:35:05 s///// Jul 05 01:35:15 ericz: Gimme a sec. Jul 05 01:35:21 infobot_: s/foo is foo Jul 05 01:35:26 infobot_: what is s/foo? Jul 05 01:35:36 hmm... Jul 05 01:35:42 I'm trying to get it to replace its own text. Jul 05 01:35:54 infobot_: say foo Jul 05 01:35:58 !say foo Jul 05 01:36:09 hmm. Jul 05 01:36:12 infobot_ say foo Jul 05 01:36:44 factoids: iPhone is overrated Jul 05 01:36:51 bah Jul 05 01:36:54 lol Jul 05 01:36:59 does it do anything in the channel? Jul 05 01:37:10 foo is bar Jul 05 01:37:14 what is foo? Jul 05 01:37:16 just string replacement by the looks of it Jul 05 01:37:38 shame... infobot looks like the monkey bot we have at work, but it's not configured to learn anything here Jul 05 01:38:05 there's a Unix/Linux support channel with monkey and it answers half of the support questions :) Jul 05 01:38:40 Argh, it's set up so that it can't spit out phrases verbatim. Jul 05 01:38:45 status Jul 05 01:39:14 infobot_ status Jul 05 01:39:39 Too bad I can't have a nick with a / in it. Jul 05 01:39:41 infobot_, status Jul 05 01:40:05 lol Jul 05 01:40:13 test Jul 05 01:40:14 s//test/ Jul 05 01:40:20 testtest Jul 05 01:40:22 s/test/foo/ Jul 05 01:40:22 ttuttle meant: footest Jul 05 01:40:29 s/ttuttle/foo Jul 05 01:40:39 test Jul 05 01:40:40 asdf s/test/foo/ Jul 05 01:41:48 might need to get my own Monkey on here... Jul 05 01:42:00 Monkey? Jul 05 01:42:16 it's the same as infobot but it's what we call them at work Jul 05 01:42:18 ah Jul 05 01:43:59 test Jul 05 01:44:11 Hmm, it ignores regexen in privmsgs. Jul 05 01:47:13 this seems to be blootbot not infobot Jul 05 01:48:19 there a tutorial on how to get rid of a left side icon? Jul 05 01:49:18 dont see any options for those, i want to get rid of that little chat/email icon Jul 05 02:11:17 iPhone is overrated Jul 05 02:11:21 iPhone Jul 05 02:12:26 iwebpad Jul 05 02:13:14 iphone is probably a nice toy and most likely a decent phone, what I don't get is the ~ZOMG!ZOMG~ hype ~ZOMG!ZOMG~ Jul 05 02:13:49 well imagine if you had a crappy razr or something Jul 05 02:13:57 and that was all you knew about phones Jul 05 02:14:02 or mobile devices Jul 05 02:14:21 iPhone is known as the Jesus Phone Jul 05 02:14:26 then someone showed that you could actually browse "real" internet with a device on palm of your hand Jul 05 02:14:41 like, imagine being way out of the loop, OR a total apple wacko Jul 05 02:15:03 that one video on myphonerocks was funny Jul 05 02:15:20 http://www.myphonerocks.com/?p=430 Jul 05 02:20:48 hahahah, "i'm waiting for my boss" oh god, that's plain fucking awful :D Jul 05 02:29:33 back **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jul 05 02:59:56 2007