**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jul 05 02:59:56 2007 Jul 05 03:01:07 so quiet now :) Jul 05 04:11:42 any idea where's the .ko files stored by default Jul 05 04:11:57 ah ok i found it Jul 05 04:20:34 eugene: be very very very careful messing with your initfs, if thats what you're doing Jul 05 04:20:58 dragorn: is it not recoverable/reflashable if i mess it up? Jul 05 04:21:02 eugene: generally you won't be able to replace or rm/replace a module on initfs. Depending what you break, you'll throw the device into a reboot loop until you reflash the initfs Jul 05 04:21:12 it's fixable, just warning you you're going to break things : Jul 05 04:21:22 gee, thanks for the tip in advanced! Jul 05 04:21:43 btw, if i have a custom module, where should i dump it to and get it automatically modprobe into the kernel? Jul 05 04:21:46 see, i had this great idea I'd build the garage wifi modules and put them in the initfs Jul 05 04:22:02 ah. then what happened Jul 05 04:22:09 and promptly trashed my system until I unpacked a firmware and reflashed initfs Jul 05 04:22:17 nod nod Jul 05 04:22:20 since I had stuff I didn't have backed up in the user partition Jul 05 04:22:29 you can load a module from anywhere Jul 05 04:22:33 insmod /path/to/foo.ko Jul 05 04:22:36 yup. Jul 05 04:22:42 is there a "standard" way of getting it loaded? Jul 05 04:22:47 like modprobe.conf etc Jul 05 04:22:54 not that I know of, but I haven't looked into the maemo boot scripts Jul 05 04:22:58 nod Jul 05 04:23:04 you might have enough room in initfs to put 1 line to call another script Jul 05 04:23:17 though I think much of initfs happens inside a different root Jul 05 04:23:20 * eugene feels like scping everything from / to the hdd Jul 05 04:23:45 hold on. Jul 05 04:23:50 garage wifi modules? Jul 05 04:24:00 WLAN cx3110x driver? Jul 05 04:24:12 yeah Jul 05 04:24:17 so you were replacing the lkm in initfs and it didn't work for u? Jul 05 04:24:26 oh no it didn't :P Jul 05 04:24:26 it worked for me when i do it manually Jul 05 04:24:31 the initfs jffs is very full Jul 05 04:24:40 nod nod Jul 05 04:24:45 2.0M 2.0M 4.0k 100% /mnt/initfs Jul 05 04:24:49 i wish there's more place in there Jul 05 04:24:50 it would work if you extracted it from the firmware flash file, and recreated it on a pc replacing that file Jul 05 04:24:57 but there isn't enough space in the initfs to replace files anymore Jul 05 04:25:23 i guess u got to dump it else where like your sdcard Jul 05 04:25:31 and insmod it manually or with a script Jul 05 04:25:39 you can replace it inline w/ rmmon, insmod, and a chroot to initfs to re-run the config code Jul 05 04:25:53 ah Jul 05 04:26:05 btw, what kind of sh is it that is found in scratchbox? Jul 05 04:26:16 i haveproblems with it not being able to find binaries in a known path Jul 05 04:26:41 that's a path issue, doesn't really matter what shell Jul 05 04:26:53 right. Jul 05 04:27:15 i will look at that in awhile. Jul 05 04:27:30 dragorn: what are you doing with your n800 nowadays :) Jul 05 04:27:55 i think the ability to reflash your n800 is a great life saver and at the same time gives you the opportunity to play with things Jul 05 04:28:14 watching it sit on my desk until I have time to figure out how to rewrite my cairo code to handle the backleveled libs Jul 05 04:28:24 nod nod Jul 05 04:30:14 dragorn: i haven't got the change to learn to program gui stuff yet. i should Jul 05 04:39:49 i dislike gui programming Jul 05 04:39:51 it's annoying Jul 05 04:41:03 3nod nod Jul 05 04:46:26 gee did you manage to get nfs mount working ? Jul 05 04:48:15 i can't seem to install nfs-common: Jul 05 04:48:15 The following packages have unmet dependencies: nfs-common: Depends: adduser but it is not installable Jul 05 04:52:04 is there a way to add autoremove to the version of apt-get in the n800? Jul 05 04:52:56 dick-richardson: you can edit /etc/apt/sources.list or use application manager to add a new repository Jul 05 04:53:34 yes, but how do you remove dependencies that were installed when you've removed the software that required it? Jul 05 04:54:49 argh... nfs mount hung n800 Jul 05 04:55:04 dick-richardson: not sure if there is deborphan there Jul 05 04:55:27 kk Jul 05 04:57:18 never tried nfs Jul 05 04:57:58 there it goes again Jul 05 04:58:00 hung Jul 05 04:58:01 :) Jul 05 04:58:55 oh i know why it hung now. silly me :) Jul 05 05:00:36 What is the 'path of least resistance' on getting developer tools running for Maemo 2.2 (for Nokia 770)? The instructions/tutorial at maemo.org have broken links and missing or wrong information Jul 05 05:02:17 gee Jul 05 05:02:20 Interrupt hmm Jul 05 05:02:52 heh Jul 05 05:03:02 dragorn: nfs worked... but i'm using my custom kernel zImage Jul 05 05:03:25 it just takes a long time to mount though Jul 05 05:03:37 ah portmap is not running Jul 05 05:11:31 Seriously whats up with the maemo repository. Jul 05 05:13:45 ChannelZ: I've got it installed fine and it STILL doesn't work Jul 05 05:14:06 Hmm. how so? Jul 05 05:14:14 (not that I can help :) Jul 05 05:15:18 http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/Maemo_2.2_Tutorial.html is just wrong; There's missing text (you have to look at the page source to see critical things which are in wierd HTML comments, not sure what is going on there) but the links to certain packages are dead, instructions don't match what actually occurs, etc. it's frustrating Jul 05 05:16:02 I'm only trying to compile some dinky CLI apps Jul 05 05:17:40 One easy thing you can do is install the bora version. It has 2 scripts in the archive that pretty much autoinstall the whole thing Jul 05 05:18:39 then you download the 2.2 files and scratchbox almost does all the work when you tell it to set up a new environment Jul 05 05:20:07 Whoever fixed the maemo.org repository will get a cookie. Jul 05 05:21:45 Well I've gotten as far as getting scratchbox installed and I think working, and the i386 stuff of the maemo junk. Jul 05 05:22:12 i wish ls has colours :) Jul 05 05:23:08 Where things get confusing is how to build a binary for the device it's self, and this QEMU stuff Jul 05 05:23:28 I didn't mess with qenu Jul 05 05:23:46 gee. there's no make deb? Jul 05 05:23:49 Is it not a requirement? Jul 05 05:24:20 I don't know. the 386 part never worked ebough for me ro bother with it Jul 05 05:24:53 I don't think it's needed. Laika doesb't say anything about needing it Jul 05 05:25:28 well this tutorial says you either need to use it, or to use the actual device to cross-compile.. but then doesn't explain any of that or what any of it means. Jul 05 05:26:37 well, if that's true, the devs are morons. There's no real reason you need the actual CPU or an emulator to compile except for imcompetence of the initial developers. Jul 05 05:30:07 I dunno, I just am having a hard time mostly due to lack of frame of reference, I think. I'm new to this stuff and it seems like the information I've found so far leaves out so much stuff, possibly because it assumes you know other things already. Jul 05 05:30:54 This tutorial seems like is needed except that it appears to be largely incorrect - in spite of the fact that I'm using versions of things it's recommending. Jul 05 05:31:38 I'm going to try installing a Debian box and using their prepackaged scratchbox packages and see if I can get further without banging my head against the wall. Jul 05 05:32:59 woohoo Jul 05 05:33:05 n800 rebooted. kernel panic. Jul 05 05:33:45 Ooh, I love kernel panic. Jul 05 05:33:59 i'm working on some stuff Jul 05 05:36:29 any idea how to disable the white background picture when you boot up n800 and display verbose booting messages instead? Jul 05 05:36:31 I've just decided to use AJAX and PHP of Python for any 770 coding I need to do Jul 05 05:37:04 s/of/or/ Jul 05 05:37:05 KaylaKaze meant: I've just decided to use AJAX and PHP or Python for any 770 coding I need to do Jul 05 05:37:36 I am trying to get a little tool running to talk to my digital camera out the USB port Jul 05 05:41:01 is there a way to do a make install within n800 prompt? Jul 05 05:42:51 no Jul 05 05:43:54 you can do a tar zxvf file or apt-get xxx Jul 05 05:44:15 guess i am going to install it into /usr/local, then tar cvjf it and tar xvjf it into the device Jul 05 05:45:28 channel do you have usb-host working? Jul 05 05:51:43 well I've used the flasher to turn it on, but I dunno if it's actually 'working' since so far I haven't been able to get the dev tools running to write any app to do anything with it :) Jul 05 06:10:51 hi Jul 05 06:11:21 aloha Jul 05 06:12:46 I am trying to show virtual keyboard just for test like this: http://tomka.hu/~lac/main.c but it doesn't show it. can you help what's wrong with that? Jul 05 06:14:14 actually I want to use vkb in SDL programs, that's the test for... Jul 05 06:17:06 * ChannelZ is still trying to get the dev tools working so no I can't help you sorry Jul 05 06:18:43 np Jul 05 06:21:39 fork(sh: /usr/local/libexec/systemtap/stp_check: not found Jul 05 06:21:53 ) i wonder why it can't find. the PATH thing is quite screwed up i feel Jul 05 06:31:18 hola eugene Jul 05 06:31:36 latzko, i doubt the virtual kb works with sdl :( Jul 05 06:31:46 melmoth: hi... Jul 05 06:31:54 melmoth: argh :/ :) Jul 05 06:32:51 * ChannelZ installs ubuntu on a spare computer Jul 05 06:33:00 oops wrong win Jul 05 06:33:00 eugene, if you cant fix it..Workaround it..what about puting stp_check in /usr/bin ? :) Jul 05 06:33:18 melmoth: I see....Now I am trying to bring it up in a simple gtk application but I can't succeed Jul 05 06:34:01 in simple gtk application, well, the one i played with..it came automagically as soon as a text entry widget is selected Jul 05 06:34:10 melmoth: apparently, it could be the system() call Jul 05 06:35:02 latzko, i never try to make it appear outside of the automagical way..there may be a way though. Jul 05 06:36:25 Yes, I found code snipplets, also in GtkEntry code Jul 05 06:36:54 http://tomka.hu/~lac/main.c here is what I try Jul 05 06:37:13 ah Jul 05 06:37:14 sh -c /usr/local/libexec/systemtap/stp_check Jul 05 06:37:14 sh: /usr/local/libexec/systemtap/stp_check: not found Jul 05 06:37:23 so it's the busybox crappy sh implementation Jul 05 06:37:34 ls /usr/local/libexec/systemtap/stp_check Jul 05 06:37:34 /usr/local/libexec/systemtap/stp_check Jul 05 06:37:37 and the file is there. Jul 05 06:37:45 melmoth: i'm tired. it's your turn to think why :) Jul 05 06:38:05 hildon_gtk_im_context_show must bring it up but somehow it does not Jul 05 06:38:34 latzko, just a bet...but what about setting a osso context ? Jul 05 06:38:52 may be the kb is 'asked' to come via an osso rpc call Jul 05 06:39:00 wich may fail if there is no context Jul 05 06:39:10 i m just guessing, this could be complete bollocks :) Jul 05 06:40:35 good point :) thanks Jul 05 06:43:15 melmoth@satellite:~$ /scratchbox/tools/bin/sh --help Jul 05 06:43:16 GNU bash, version 2.05b.0(1)-release-(i686-pc-linux-gnu) Jul 05 06:43:20 its.... bash Jul 05 06:43:36 melmoth: scratchbox != n800 :) Jul 05 06:43:46 /home/user # ls -l `which sh` Jul 05 06:43:46 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 Jul 5 12:52 /bin/sh -> busybox Jul 05 06:44:10 oh.. your stuff works in scratchbox and not on the n800 ? Jul 05 06:44:51 no... i test it directly on n800.... the environment in scratchbox is not entirely identical to n800 Jul 05 06:57:14 ah Jul 05 06:57:15 ok. Jul 05 06:57:19 i fixed it Jul 05 06:57:37 what was the problem ? Jul 05 06:57:38 so my script declared #!/bin/bash, and we all know that n800 uses busybox sh and not bash Jul 05 06:57:48 damn, why isn't the error obvious Jul 05 06:58:01 it would be too easy ! Jul 05 06:58:03 sigh i hope it doesn't crash again. it's like the 6th time already Jul 05 06:58:05 yeah Jul 05 06:58:13 but i am tired Jul 05 06:58:36 woohoo! Jul 05 06:58:42 some progress though Jul 05 06:58:51 /mnt/initfs/tmp/test/users/eteo/home/eteo/systemtap # staprun stap_bd86b4e8bc0470fbc2f687d6f217e625_144.ko Jul 05 06:58:54 ERROR: module machine mismatch (armv6l vs armv5tel) Jul 05 06:58:57 ERROR: module release mismatch (2.6.18-omap1 vs 2.6.18-4-686) Jul 05 06:58:59 /mnt/initfs/tmp/test/users/eteo/home/eteo/systemtap # staprun stap_bd86b4e8bc0470fbc2f687d6f217e625_144.ko Jul 05 06:59:02 ERROR: module machine mismatch (armv6l vs armv5tel) Jul 05 06:59:05 ERROR: module release mismatch (2.6.18-omap1 vs 2.6.18-4-686) Jul 05 06:59:07 whoops, sorry for the multiple pasting Jul 05 07:06:37 great, wrote a quick hack to bypass that for now Jul 05 07:12:40 melmoth: hey!! Jul 05 07:12:43 melmoth: it worked :) Jul 05 07:12:43 /mnt/initfs/tmp/test/users/eteo/home/eteo/systemtap # staprun stap_d4029b00329ec40020f2d68b8e263e64_144.ko Jul 05 07:12:47 systemtap test Jul 05 07:12:57 \o/ Jul 05 07:13:44 stap -p4 -r 2.6.18-omap1 -e 'probe begin { printf("systemtap test\n") }' Jul 05 07:14:12 awesome Jul 05 07:18:48 osso init is noth enough...maybe d-bus also must setup Jul 05 07:36:14 melmoth: sigh Jul 05 07:40:12 oh ya i forgot Jul 05 07:40:39 strace for arm might not be the same one for x86 :( Jul 05 07:40:43 i think. Jul 05 07:43:50 eugene: nice to see systemtap working :) Jul 05 07:44:36 suihkulokki: hehe. almost. Jul 05 07:45:09 kprobes/jprobes/kretprobes is definitely working. systemtap requires some hacks to get it to work. but i'm facing a little problem finding the vmlinux :/ Jul 05 07:45:13 :) Jul 05 07:45:58 finding vmlinux? Jul 05 07:47:07 well, it needs the kernel-debuginfo. i have it after building my custom kernel, but systemtap doesn't seem to even want to search for it. i am not sure if strace is telling the truth. Jul 05 07:47:41 huh, I also initialized dbus but vkb does not come up... Jul 05 07:48:29 strace is slightly buggy on arm eabi Jul 05 07:49:20 ah. Jul 05 07:51:55 I've seen reporting things like open(lmx.maemo/senigne-ktg/erahs/rsu/) Jul 05 07:52:21 not sure why it forked when in x86, it didn't Jul 05 08:05:46 inz: thx for the tip, sshfs works just fine Jul 05 08:06:00 guardian, great Jul 05 08:15:25 hm, vkb comes up on tablet but not in x86 target of sbox! Jul 05 08:32:20 Morning, all Jul 05 08:39:48 Aloha! Jul 05 08:39:57 is there a package for the make command? Jul 05 08:42:46 ? Jul 05 08:44:47 ? Jul 05 08:45:43 oh well, pointless to have make if i don't have gcc and g++ and many lbraries Jul 05 09:30:33 not much of gtk experience here, so help appreciated. I have gtk_dialog_new_with_buttons() call, i create a widget with it that has few buttons, in vbox i pack few labels and number edito.. Jul 05 09:31:09 aah never mind .. Jul 05 09:51:27 Hmm nice, NL gets street level maps for the whole country on openstreetmap, thanks to AND. http://www.opengeodata.org/?p=223 Jul 05 09:53:48 X-Fade: NL ? Jul 05 09:54:38 The Netherlands Jul 05 09:55:12 =) Jul 05 09:55:45 Free accurate streetlevel maps is a great thing ;) Jul 05 09:57:17 for sure! =) Jul 05 10:14:25 Hmm, thread on ITT says "new firmware out" (haven't read it yet) Jul 05 10:15:16 Oh, it's a "joke". Jul 05 10:25:23 hmm, why does the ITU charge for its information? Jul 05 10:25:38 Anyone have a pointer to a free description of G.729? Jul 05 10:26:14 * lardman tries the wikipedia links Jul 05 10:40:48 Hmm, Speex it is Jul 05 10:45:34 Can clients such as Skype select Speex as a codec to use, or are they stuck with on of the patented versions? Jul 05 10:45:35 hello all; i hope not everyone is having a lunch now...? Jul 05 10:46:11 nope, though you're making me hungry talking about it ;) Jul 05 10:46:15 heh, Skype, and user selection, in the same sentence. Now *that's* funny. Jul 05 10:46:23 i'm looking for the source of Media Player of N800. maybe you can help me Jul 05 10:46:25 I'm having some problems using shared libary. My program works fine in scratchbox but when I transfer it to the n800 it doesn't work right. It runs but it's like it doesn't do the library calls at all, like it skips them or something. Obviously something's wrong with dll but I don't know how to fix it. Any ideas? Jul 05 10:46:54 i've read something about it being closed but i'm not sure Jul 05 10:47:07 madam: closed Jul 05 10:47:41 rob: thanks for the confirmation Jul 05 10:47:58 madam: any particular reason you wanted the source? Jul 05 10:48:01 Gathaja, compare the output of 'ldd yourbinary' on both environment ? Jul 05 10:48:06 rwhitby: I've never had any use for voip, I get free calls and cheap international too Jul 05 10:48:57 voip (Gizmo in particular, but any SIP client would do) has saved my company many dollars in the last few months. Jul 05 10:48:58 rwhitby: But I was looking in the wishlist at the codecs people wanted, g.729, and was trying to work out whether that was doable Jul 05 10:48:58 rob: just curious; i was unable to locae the source for many programs Jul 05 10:49:19 rob: and i couldn't understand what's wrong Jul 05 10:49:30 madam: A fair few of the apps are closed Jul 05 10:50:06 lardman: perhaps there's is list of there apps on somewhere the wiki? Jul 05 10:50:30 lardman: and the n800 is much better than a desk phone :-) Jul 05 10:50:39 (when running Gizmo) Jul 05 10:50:43 madam: hmm, I don;t think so Jul 05 10:51:21 rwhitby: Yeah, I may find a use for it when there's more wifi in random places in the UK Jul 05 10:51:47 melmoth: I'll try that Jul 05 10:52:23 lardman: my usage at home and work justifies the cost of the n800 alone. Jul 05 10:57:34 * sbaturzio is away: time for lunch Jul 05 11:02:52 me goes too; thanks for your help Jul 05 11:27:04 I can't run ldd on the device. Says "ldd: not found" even though it is in /usr/bin and I tried to run it /usr/bin/ldd Jul 05 11:32:12 Gathaja: seems the ldd in the device is borked .. Jul 05 11:32:55 its a shell script, first problem is that it tries to use #!/bin/bash as interpreter which is obviously missing since there's no bash but busybox in the dev .. Jul 05 11:34:32 oh Jul 05 11:36:22 its propably minor issue but too much work to do currently Jul 05 11:36:29 Gathaja, /lib/ld-linux.so.3 --list Jul 05 11:37:52 inz: thanks Jul 05 11:47:54 so it does work ? Jul 05 11:49:12 luck^: hey, I've just nearly finished building python2.5 based of the current ubuntu packaging! Jul 05 11:49:50 luck^: in fact, it just finished.. Jul 05 11:49:51 robtaylor, cool! any big issue? Jul 05 11:50:21 luck^: nope, no big ones, hangon, i'll pastebin you the interdiff Jul 05 11:50:34 robtaylor, ok! Jul 05 11:51:07 robtaylor where did you pick up libffi4 ? Jul 05 11:51:37 suihkulokki: mm. i think i built that myself, but i also think the current pymaemo packages come with libffi Jul 05 11:52:13 there is a libffi4 in repository.maemo.org/extras Jul 05 11:52:19 suihkulokki Jul 05 11:52:25 there, i knew it was somewhere :) Jul 05 11:52:40 :) Jul 05 11:53:04 I had a look at it, it seemed very old, I'm suprised it really works on arm eabi Jul 05 11:54:11 osvaldo was working with pymaemo before.. I think he applied some patches to work with eabi, etc Jul 05 11:54:35 luck^: oh, hangon, i need to rebuild it from clean now Jul 05 11:54:59 luck^: did he submit them upstream? Jul 05 11:55:29 suihkulokki, no.. I think he just did this pymaemo package Jul 05 11:56:13 robtaylor, no problem.. I think this will solve #736.. its about an email asking for some debian compatibility Jul 05 11:56:29 how does maemo power management work? Is there a mode where the device is turned off, but wakes up like every 20 minutes to check mail? Jul 05 11:56:32 luck^: rock. it'll solve a lot of my issues too Jul 05 11:56:42 Ed Bartosh was proposing himself to use pycentral Jul 05 11:56:53 luck^: already got that packaged Jul 05 11:57:06 robtaylor, nice Jul 05 11:57:28 luck^: http://packages.codethink.co.uk Jul 05 11:58:22 jani: ld-linux.so.3 --list worked nicely, if that's what you meant Jul 05 11:58:25 though i guess i'll need to revert a new changes once we have debian-style python2.5 Jul 05 11:58:45 humm Jul 05 12:00:01 robtaylor, I'll take a look Jul 05 12:00:15 luck^: i ws thinking,. it might be ncie to have all the packaging in git, with a branch where we can import the latestdebian packaging, and a branch to store maemo packging on Jul 05 12:00:21 ukmp 1.4 and uktube 0.6 out Jul 05 12:00:23 http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/ Jul 05 12:00:31 luck^: should help with staying up-to-date :) Jul 05 12:00:41 two videos showing new features for both of them Jul 05 12:00:54 luck^: we need someone to fix libffi4 in gcc-4.2 @ debian's armel port Jul 05 12:01:01 konttori: got any coherence support goig in ukmp yet? Jul 05 12:01:03 uktube 0.6 has support for streaming youtube and dailymotion videos. Jul 05 12:01:12 robtaylor: nope. Jul 05 12:01:29 For some reason, it's been a bit hard for me to do it. Jul 05 12:02:01 mostly probably because I don't have a upnp server on my osx Jul 05 12:02:14 and I've been unable to get coherences media server working correctly Jul 05 12:02:35 konttori: :( Jul 05 12:02:51 anyway, dev has been really helpful, It's really just been my own problems getting python to work properly on my osx. Jul 05 12:03:19 robtaylor, you can file a request in pymaemo.maemo.org.. I'm not really used to git, but I heard only good comments about it Jul 05 12:03:24 I think coherence is a great lib and I REALLY would like to get it up and running for ukmp, just not luck so far. Jul 05 12:03:29 konttori: dunno if that helps, but theres a upnp av plugin for azureus 3.0 Jul 05 12:04:13 I'll try it! Thanks! Jul 05 12:04:29 you mean vuze? Jul 05 12:04:34 yes Jul 05 12:04:41 looks wicked cool. Jul 05 12:05:15 is upnp plugin in there by default? Jul 05 12:05:16 robtaylor, rigth now we're a bit busy, but its possible to put this task in our roadmap Jul 05 12:05:21 konttori: yes Jul 05 12:05:34 great stuff Jul 05 12:06:11 luck^: nice :) Jul 05 12:06:13 suihkulokki, humm.. I remember we had some problem to find libffi4 source code Jul 05 12:06:19 Is there any telepathy modules (except the standard ones) that are actually working with the standard N800 IM-software? Jul 05 12:06:45 is the new firmware out yet? Jul 05 12:07:00 luck^: i just had another idea - maybe we can get the debain/ubuntu main (mattias klose) to accept some packages that build slightly differently if the distro is a maemo distro Jul 05 12:07:18 robtaylor: you still have't embraced the truth that gupnp is going to ruthlessly crush coherence soon? :P Jul 05 12:07:45 zeenix: when it works, i'll take a look ;) Jul 05 12:08:02 zeenix: are you going to support file upload? Jul 05 12:09:44 zeenix: btw. coherence also makes a great media server, so no need to fight.. Jul 05 12:10:15 its the only (FLOSS) one that supports transcoding and file uploads Jul 05 12:10:20 robtaylor, cool.. would be great. In the future python will be an official package of maemo distro Jul 05 12:10:34 luck^: so i heard :) Jul 05 12:10:41 hehehe Jul 05 12:12:25 robtaylor: last time i tried to install the coherence media server, i got into a few problems and it seemed to be quite bloated too Jul 05 12:13:38 Anyway, I hope you guys could have a test of uktube 0.6 today if you are using uktube. I'm going away for a while tomorrow, so I can really do bugfixes well only on today. Jul 05 12:13:41 robtaylor: what file upload btw? Jul 05 12:15:00 zeenix: ImportResource, that's an UPnP ContentDirectory action Jul 05 12:15:58 ah! we are still writing the framework Jul 05 12:16:11 hi, I can bring virtual keyboard up from code on tablet with hildon_gtk_im_context_show () , but it does not work in sbox x86 target, so testing is a bit hard...Can you help me why? thanks Jul 05 12:16:45 once there is a nice, small frameword written in C, we (and others) can then make nice control points and devices on it Jul 05 12:16:58 s/frameword/framework/ Jul 05 12:16:58 zeenix meant: once there is a nice, small framework written in C, we (and others) can then make nice control points and devices on it Jul 05 12:17:15 zeenix: sure Jul 05 12:18:12 ImportResource should be too hard to implement Jul 05 12:24:10 being a C-programmer for 25years, made software for systems where 5 people shared a System-V with 512kB, I just don't get that "once there is a nice, small framework written in C" Jul 05 12:25:20 but anyway, if it would have been there 12months ago I would probably work with you on it :-) Jul 05 12:28:28 luck^: http://pastebin.com/942453 Jul 05 12:30:51 robtaylor, ok Jul 05 12:34:39 robtaylor, we apply patches to reduce footprint too Jul 05 12:37:41 deb http://packages.codethink.co.uk/ bora main seems to be down Jul 05 12:38:28 luck^: what error are you getting? Jul 05 12:38:48 Err http://packages.codethink.co.uk bora/main Packages Jul 05 12:38:48 404 Not Found Jul 05 12:39:10 robtaylor Jul 05 12:39:21 luck^: :/ http://packages.codethink.co.uk/dists/bora/main/binary-armel/Packages Jul 05 12:39:24 luck^: its not bora/main but bora main Jul 05 12:40:10 chrissturm, thanks! :) Jul 05 12:41:36 mm. looks like i need to rebuild python-central python-configobj python-docutils python-louie python-roman python-setuptools python-twisted-core python-twisted-web python-zopeinterface Jul 05 12:41:40 *sigh* Jul 05 12:42:22 robtaylor :) ..hey.. and what is the "main" package to install? Jul 05 12:42:26 python-all? Jul 05 12:42:32 luck^: python2.5 Jul 05 12:42:40 ok Jul 05 12:46:15 luck^: yeah, size is slightly higher - 2867142 versus 2043698 Jul 05 12:47:01 and of course, there's python2.5-minimal too Jul 05 12:48:43 hummm.. we need to study this possibility Jul 05 12:48:50 hmm, odd though Jul 05 12:49:14 hmm, odd though dpkg -L python2.5-minimal | xargs ls -ld | awk '{print $5}' | sum gives 17689 Jul 05 12:49:31 dpkg -L python2.5 | xargs ls -ld | awk '{print $5}' | sum gives 57311 Jul 05 12:50:25 really Jul 05 12:50:52 hmm, i think there's soemthing wrong here Jul 05 12:52:50 oh, its just my shell foo Jul 05 12:52:56 :) Jul 05 12:57:29 luck^: dpkg -L python2.5-minimal | xargs ls -ld | awk '{ sum+= $5 } END {print sum}' -> 3593356 Jul 05 12:57:43 dpkg -L python2.5 | xargs ls -ld | awk '{ sum+= $5 } END {print sum}' -> 8548754 Jul 05 12:58:06 so we probably do need to chop some stuff off Jul 05 12:58:09 * sbaturzio is back (gone 02:00:32) Jul 05 12:58:51 robtaylor, yeah... a lot of fat to burn Jul 05 12:59:22 luck^: do you have a list of what you chopped before? Jul 05 12:59:54 robtaylor, no.. just the patches inside pymaemo tree Jul 05 13:03:32 Hmmm did anyone try to use Sardine on N800 lately? Buggy doesn't even start to describe the experience for me. It is really not useable at the moment.. Jul 05 13:03:34 luck^: btw, this requires devian devkit 1.0.8 to build Jul 05 13:04:01 Sardine didn't work for me yesterday... lib thumbnail package blowing up or something Jul 05 13:04:07 luck^: If i can, i'd like to leave trimming to yiu guys and get pycentral etc back up to date Jul 05 13:04:59 milhouse: Clicking on the Internet Icon restarts the desktop for me. A lot of icons are missing, menus don't work or sometimes work.. Jul 05 13:05:00 _Monkey, Sardine is (very) unstable Jul 05 13:05:00 <_Monkey> OK, milhouse. Jul 05 13:05:02 robtaylor, its ok Jul 05 13:05:13 _Monkey, Sardine is also http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_GetStartedWithSardine Jul 05 13:05:14 <_Monkey> okay, milhouse. Jul 05 13:05:17 Sardine? Jul 05 13:05:18 <_Monkey> somebody said Sardine was (very) unstable or http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_GetStartedWithSardine Jul 05 13:05:30 huzzah! Jul 05 13:06:56 X-Fade - I couldn't even get Sardine to upgrade on my N800 Jul 05 13:07:06 what is sardine? Jul 05 13:07:07 <_Monkey> sardine is, like, (very) unstable or http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_GetStartedWithSardine Jul 05 13:07:27 hehe Jul 05 13:07:38 lol Jul 05 13:08:14 milhouse: Well, that did work for me 2 days ago. But I'm surprised that it is still so incredibly broken. Jul 05 13:08:19 who cares what it is as long as we can upgrade to it Jul 05 13:09:02 x-fade: it's a common feature of sardine, i guess it's the nature of the beast Jul 05 13:09:46 milhouse: Well, unstable ok.. But display corruption out of the box, not working menus etc. That is a bit too much :) Jul 05 13:10:18 if you want something that works, you probably sould give herring a go Jul 05 13:10:43 the problem you saw the other day may have been transient (he says, hopefully) Jul 05 13:11:09 infobot guide? Jul 05 13:11:10 <_Monkey> well, infobot guide is http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~infobot/infobot_guide.html Jul 05 13:11:10 guide is probably at http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~infobot/infobot_guide.html Jul 05 13:11:29 hmmm... bot wrestling Jul 05 13:12:14 train _Monkey well... :) Jul 05 13:14:12 firmware is 770 (http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_770.php) Jul 05 13:14:17 _Monkey, firmware is 770 (http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_770.php) Jul 05 13:14:18 <_Monkey> i already had it that way, milhouse. Jul 05 13:14:24 ooh, silly me Jul 05 13:14:27 firmware? Jul 05 13:14:28 <_Monkey> i heard firmware was 770 (http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_770.php) Jul 05 13:14:46 firmware is also N800 (http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N800.php) Jul 05 13:14:47 <_Monkey> okay, milhouse. Jul 05 13:15:03 firmware is also Flasher binaries (http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/d3.php) Jul 05 13:15:03 <_Monkey> okay, milhouse. Jul 05 13:15:06 firmware? Jul 05 13:15:07 <_Monkey> rumour has it firmware is 770 (http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_770.php) or N800 (http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N800.php) or Flasher binaries (http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/d3.php) Jul 05 13:16:25 ITT is http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums Jul 05 13:16:30 itt? Jul 05 13:16:30 <_Monkey> itt is, like, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums Jul 05 13:17:14 inz-- Jul 05 13:17:23 karma for inz Jul 05 13:17:24 <_Monkey> inz has neutral karma Jul 05 13:17:29 *sniff* Jul 05 13:17:32 inz++ Jul 05 13:17:36 karma for inz Jul 05 13:17:37 <_Monkey> inz has karma of 1 Jul 05 13:29:02 * Jaffa yawns Jul 05 13:38:35 does installing a new firmware reset the memory of the device? will I have to install all apps again? Jul 05 13:38:54 yes Jul 05 13:38:56 currently Jul 05 13:39:36 does it clear the home directory too? Jul 05 13:39:48 _monkey, reflashing is will reset your devices memory to factory default Jul 05 13:39:49 <_Monkey> OK, milhouse. Jul 05 13:39:52 yes Jul 05 13:39:52 i think so. Jul 05 13:39:58 reflashing? Jul 05 13:39:59 <_Monkey> will reset _Monkey's devices memory to factory default Jul 05 13:40:03 arse Jul 05 13:40:17 forget reflashing Jul 05 13:40:18 <_Monkey> milhouse: I forgot reflashing Jul 05 13:40:33 _monkey, reflashing is will reset \your devices memory to factory default Jul 05 13:40:34 <_Monkey> OK, milhouse. Jul 05 13:40:38 reflashing? Jul 05 13:40:39 so any time nokia puts out a new firmware i lose all my configs? Jul 05 13:40:39 <_Monkey> will reset your devices memory to factory default Jul 05 13:41:06 you can backup your data using the backup function Jul 05 13:41:32 in the next firmware (hopefully) you will be able to "backup" installed applications too and reinstall them automatically post reflash Jul 05 13:41:51 i think there was some talk about that in application manager .. Jul 05 13:42:14 _monkey, no reflashing is Reflashing will reset \your devices memory to factory default and wipe your home directory - use backup so that you can restore your data to the new firmware Jul 05 13:42:15 <_Monkey> OK, milhouse. Jul 05 13:42:25 reflashing? Jul 05 13:42:26 <_Monkey> will reset your devices memory to factory default Jul 05 13:42:30 hmm Jul 05 13:42:55 forget reflashing Jul 05 13:42:56 <_Monkey> milhouse: I forgot reflashing Jul 05 13:43:05 _monkey, reflashing is Reflashing will reset \your devices memory to factory default and wipe your home directory - use backup so that you can restore your data to the new firmware Jul 05 13:43:06 <_Monkey> OK, milhouse. Jul 05 13:43:10 reflashing? Jul 05 13:43:11 <_Monkey> Reflashing will reset your devices memory to factory default and wipe _Monkey's home directory - use backup so that you can restore _Monkey's data to the new firmware Jul 05 13:43:17 arghhh... :) Jul 05 13:43:25 forget reflashing Jul 05 13:43:25 <_Monkey> milhouse: I forgot reflashing Jul 05 13:43:36 _monkey, reflashing is Reflashing will reset \your devices memory to factory default and wipe \your home directory - use backup so that you can restore \your data to the new firmware Jul 05 13:43:37 <_Monkey> OK, milhouse. Jul 05 13:43:44 forget no reflashing Jul 05 13:43:45 <_Monkey> milhouse: I forgot no reflashing Jul 05 13:43:50 reflashing? Jul 05 13:43:51 <_Monkey> Reflashing will reset your devices memory to factory default and wipe your home directory - use backup so that you can restore your data to the new firmware Jul 05 13:44:04 yay Jul 05 13:44:10 that was easy Jul 05 13:44:18 once i got the hang of it... Jul 05 13:44:50 _monkey nice day is You betcha, $who. Jul 05 13:44:51 <_Monkey> OK, milhouse. Jul 05 13:44:54 nice day Jul 05 13:44:54 <_Monkey> You betcha, milhouse. Jul 05 13:46:14 can i load the n800 via the usb port? Jul 05 13:46:30 (charge) Jul 05 13:46:32 you can mount the n800 as a mass storage device if that's what you mean Jul 05 13:46:34 ah Jul 05 13:46:35 no Jul 05 13:46:43 you can't charge via the USB port Jul 05 13:47:40 that would have been very nice. Jul 05 13:48:03 oh yes... Jul 05 13:48:24 I don't see it making much sense, anyway Jul 05 13:48:37 you have your charger, don't you? Jul 05 13:48:37 you can buy something called the CA-100 which kind of allows charging via USB - it's a USB to 2mm adapter Jul 05 13:48:44 gomiam: carrying around the charger is no fun Jul 05 13:48:49 oh? Jul 05 13:49:04 well, it's not too bothering for me Jul 05 13:49:04 i can have the n800 in my pocket, but not the charger Jul 05 13:49:12 http://www.expansys.com/p.aspx?i=145013 Jul 05 13:49:18 but most people i visit have usb cables lying around Jul 05 13:49:19 not cheap :( Jul 05 13:49:30 I have a little bag where I carry the N800, its cables and chargers and even some mobile cables too Jul 05 13:50:36 I wouldn't carry the N800 in my pocket, anyway, I don't trust the felt cover. Jul 05 13:50:52 gomiam: need that Nokia case!!! Jul 05 13:50:56 i still dont get how the powermanagement works, it happens quite often that i have the n800 lying somewhere, and then ist empty Jul 05 13:51:26 i thought "lock device and display" should suspend it Jul 05 13:51:31 chrissturm: Is it connected to the network? Jul 05 13:51:46 yes Jul 05 13:51:56 Voip or IM active? Jul 05 13:52:07 lock device and display does _not_ suspend it (unlike the old 770) Jul 05 13:52:22 how can i suspend it then? Jul 05 13:52:35 X-Fade: i have only claws running Jul 05 13:52:44 flight mode would probably be the closes thing to suspend Jul 05 13:52:51 milhouse: yet it still goes a long way to save battery, if you have set the non-connected mode first Jul 05 13:52:58 there is a hidden suspend mode in the menu, but i think it got broken in the last firmware update Jul 05 13:53:03 ? Jul 05 13:53:09 I didn't know that :-) Jul 05 13:53:13 i just love 770's cover->sleep thing Jul 05 13:53:13 chrissturm: it is probably constantly using wifi.. Jul 05 13:53:21 ok Jul 05 13:53:32 gla55_ - nokias biggest mistake with the n800 Jul 05 13:53:38 it would be great to have a mode where it only polls the wifi at intervals to check mail Jul 05 13:53:43 and sleeps the rest of the time Jul 05 13:53:48 yup, wifi connection will do that (even more if it's on 100mW) Jul 05 13:54:00 chrissturm: For voip and IM it needs the always on.. Jul 05 13:54:15 milhouse: some slider button or something that would do the same thing as putting on the cover would have been nice Jul 05 13:54:23 chriss... that might be programmed into it. Say... some crontab-ed script... Jul 05 13:54:50 just a cover would be nice (Nokia - are you listening? where's the case??) Jul 05 13:55:15 do you guys think there will be a new IT in the next 12 months? Jul 05 13:55:18 Power management profiles would also be good Jul 05 13:55:23 in next 12? sure Jul 05 13:55:52 but not in the next 6? Jul 05 13:55:54 definately, and hopefully closer to the tail end of 12 monhts Jul 05 13:56:01 chrissturm: We even know it's name :) Jul 05 13:56:01 hopefully not Jul 05 13:56:11 mm... if Skype support is going to be integrated Jul 05 13:56:22 I expect to have a new update quite soon. Jul 05 13:56:34 don't know if it qualifies as being a new IT Jul 05 13:56:37 it's looking more like a seperate download Jul 05 13:56:52 but can still be integrated Jul 05 13:57:03 just not a part of the firmware itself (which is a good thing) Jul 05 13:57:05 gomiam: My guess is that that will be a download. Just like Rhapsody is? Jul 05 13:57:11 milhouse: I don't know. What I have read about looks like it would require reflashing. I may be wrong. Jul 05 13:57:23 and it actually would make much more sense Jul 05 13:58:05 I am expecting more communication tools, not just skype, but what do i know... Jul 05 13:58:50 gomiam: you'll need to reflash for the new firmware. i assume Skype won't work with the current firmware so in that sense you'll need to reflash to install skype. Jul 05 13:59:12 Some extra codecs would be nice :) My N95 plays m4a and mp4, the N800 should do that too! Jul 05 14:00:38 playing n95 high res videos would be nice Jul 05 14:00:49 infobot Jul 05 14:01:04 how do i use this bot Jul 05 14:01:26 infobot_, where is Dr_Nunim Jul 05 14:01:28 ? Jul 05 14:01:50 gla55_: But still the n800 has way better battery live than the n95. So linux powersaving isn't that bad after all ;) Jul 05 14:02:04 Anyone know of an app that gives better control of the display on the N770? I'd like to leave the display & backlight powered on when plugged into the wall. Jul 05 14:02:28 X-Fade: n800 doesn't do as much Jul 05 14:02:48 rotating the display would be great to have in a future firmware Jul 05 14:03:05 gla55_: Well, idle at my desk both connected to wifi the N800 still beats it 3 times orso :) Jul 05 14:03:07 X-Fade: besides, n95 has a quite long standby time compared to 770 or n800 when they're "on" Jul 05 14:03:24 chrissturm: mmm... at least rotating it for PDf reading :-) Jul 05 14:03:33 konttori: hi dude Jul 05 14:03:37 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=56477#post56477 for the ppl in the USA Jul 05 14:03:45 gomiam: but rotating does work with evince Jul 05 14:03:46 * pupnik hops Jul 05 14:03:51 k-s: hi! Jul 05 14:03:57 update? Jul 05 14:04:03 oh, but I didn't want to install yet another PDF reader Jul 05 14:04:09 O:-) Jul 05 14:04:16 has anyone installed gcc, g++, make, etc in n800? Jul 05 14:04:46 http://magao.buzznet.com/user/photos/?id=10661121 Jul 05 14:04:58 the bag I scavenged for my N800 and companion cables :-) Jul 05 14:06:08 question: is there a N800 stand-alone charger? Jul 05 14:06:14 gomiam: this's what i got for my n800: http://www.flickr.com/photos/eugeneteo/tags/n800 Jul 05 14:06:30 oops, I meant a N800 battery stand-alone charger Jul 05 14:06:32 gomiam: just use any 2mm nokia charger? Jul 05 14:06:33 konttori: did you see my evas demo? Jul 05 14:06:34 ah Jul 05 14:06:39 no idea Jul 05 14:06:50 k-s[WORK]: that's yours? it's awesome Jul 05 14:06:56 that way I can have two batteries and charge one while the other one is being used :-) Jul 05 14:06:56 eugene: :-) Jul 05 14:07:04 k-s[WORK]: nice blog too Jul 05 14:07:07 eugene: we're pushing it for turbo graphics here :-) Jul 05 14:07:16 heh Jul 05 14:07:22 eugene: expect many great apps using it, both from here and friends Jul 05 14:07:31 nice casing, eugene Jul 05 14:07:42 k-s[WORK]: looking forward to it! Jul 05 14:07:44 gomiam: thanks Jul 05 14:07:48 infobot guide? Jul 05 14:07:48 rumour has it, guide is at http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~infobot/infobot_guide.html Jul 05 14:07:48 <_Monkey> hmmm... infobot guide is http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~infobot/infobot_guide.html Jul 05 14:07:54 I just keep the felt bag inside the blue bag. Jul 05 14:08:32 well, I'll get back to studying Jul 05 14:08:36 pupnik Jul 05 14:08:39 no rest for the wicked and all that Jul 05 14:08:40 gomiam: haven't seen a nokia standalone battery charger in.. well.. 10 years? Jul 05 14:08:46 hi unique311 Jul 05 14:08:53 Unique311 - train him well... Jul 05 14:08:55 you need to check out the documentary American Blackout.. Jul 05 14:08:55 gla55_: I had to ask, just in case :-D Jul 05 14:09:22 republicans will do anything, and i mean anything Jul 05 14:09:32 ron paul talks a good talk right now.. Jul 05 14:09:55 gomiam: i sometimes use my extra s60 phones for charging up bl-5c's :p Jul 05 14:10:21 unique311: its easy to talk like that when you have no money and are at the bottom of the poles ;-] Jul 05 14:10:40 well thats also ture Jul 05 14:10:42 ture Jul 05 14:10:44 true Jul 05 14:11:12 UKMP is a Media Player, available for download at http://maemo.org/downloads/product/ukmp Jul 05 14:11:12 ukmp? Jul 05 14:11:12 <_Monkey> i heard ukmp was a Media Player, available for download at http://maemo.org/downloads/product/ukmp Jul 05 14:11:55 * eugene blogs Jul 05 14:12:47 hey konttori, did you ever get my ukmp-dev running? Jul 05 14:16:19 sent you a PM pupnik Jul 05 14:17:46 UKMP has been a bit of a disappointment for me Jul 05 14:18:05 some Youtube videos only played right the first time Jul 05 14:18:39 <_Shurik_> I don't like the extra step for UKMP Jul 05 14:18:44 since I'm going to convert them to MPG or something like that, anyway, I don't care anymore. Jul 05 14:18:49 "extra step"? Jul 05 14:19:16 <_Shurik_> well, perhaps I just don't know how to tie it into opera to pull in video automatically Jul 05 14:19:27 <_Shurik_> but I had to paste URL into it Jul 05 14:19:33 ah, you mean your needing to cut&paste the URLs Jul 05 14:19:38 <_Shurik_> yep Jul 05 14:19:57 well, it isn't much of a hassle to me Jul 05 14:20:15 <_Shurik_> well it's okay when you know exactly what you want to see Jul 05 14:20:25 <_Shurik_> but if you're browsing - it gets annoying pretty fast Jul 05 14:20:32 might be Jul 05 14:20:37 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-K8x4x4i68 Jul 05 14:20:43 <_Shurik_> the idea of youtube is virtually instant streaming :) Jul 05 14:20:44 a case of misheard lyrics Jul 05 14:21:18 <_Shurik_> buahaha Jul 05 14:23:34 gomiam: I think you're confusing UK Tube with UKMP. Jul 05 14:23:39 ow Jul 05 14:23:42 true, true Jul 05 14:23:51 <_Shurik_> crap, I didn't catch that either Jul 05 14:23:59 <_Shurik_> I'm too hung over today Jul 05 14:24:11 man, it's Thursday Jul 05 14:24:32 you should wait at least until tonight to get wasted :-D Jul 05 14:24:53 <_Shurik_> well yesterday was off Jul 05 14:25:17 <_Shurik_> and friend had bday Jul 05 14:27:07 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xEzGIuY7kw (Yankovic at his worst best:-)) Jul 05 14:27:41 <_Shurik_> I think today is going to be youtube day Jul 05 14:28:00 nah, I'll stop referring videos as of now Jul 05 14:28:01 :-D Jul 05 14:28:07 <_Shurik_> since that's all my cpu can pull out today Jul 05 14:28:13 oh? Jul 05 14:28:21 <_Shurik_> the one in my head Jul 05 14:28:27 ah :-D Jul 05 14:28:37 <_Shurik_> yeah, alcohol is evil Jul 05 14:28:48 no, it's ethanol, mostly :-P Jul 05 14:29:04 <_Shurik_> right, the rest 60% is harmless :-D Jul 05 14:29:15 http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=80A6B965FA3488A9 Jul 05 14:29:26 if you are bored, get there and watch some videos Jul 05 14:30:17 is this #maemo? Jul 05 14:30:33 yes, after this off-topic interlude, it is again Jul 05 14:30:34 sorry Jul 05 14:31:31 <_Shurik_> non maemo related subjects prohibited? Jul 05 14:31:43 at least not encouraged, I guess Jul 05 14:32:40 trevarthan: Back! Jul 05 14:33:05 I just downloaded pysqlite today and haven't yet installed it. Jul 05 14:33:13 I'll try out the dev today Jul 05 14:33:32 mmm... is there an Gnumeric-to-SQLite interface on the N800? Jul 05 14:33:48 (a GUI wouldn't hurt either) Jul 05 14:34:01 I don't want to install postgresql yet :-) Jul 05 14:34:23 <_Shurik_> is that what mapper 2.0 will use? Jul 05 14:34:29 k-s[work]: what memo? Jul 05 14:34:49 hehe... just wondering :) Jul 05 14:34:56 konttori: demo: http://blog.gustavobarbieri.com.br/2007/06/23/edje-demo-on-n800-application-launcher-mockup/ Jul 05 14:35:08 gomian: what don't you like about ukmp/uktube? Jul 05 14:37:40 k-s[work]: really nice stuff.. Do you have installer packages for maemo already? Jul 05 14:37:50 how big is the eva lib? Jul 05 14:38:04 konttori: just for basic packages, demo you need to copy files yourself Jul 05 14:38:05 konttori: it's not that I don't like it. It's just that some videos only played right the first time, and then lost video/audio synchronization. Jul 05 14:38:16 konttori: you shouldn't have to install pysqlite. It comes with python 2.5. You just need python 2.5. That and mplayer are the only dependencies. I'll fix the mplayer dep in the near future for non-a2dpd playback, but a2dpd will need mplayer for a while. Jul 05 14:38:23 konttori: evas + edje (theme) and few other bits are under 3mb Jul 05 14:38:37 konttori: I think that it all, with python bindings are under 3mb Jul 05 14:38:46 trevarthan: but osx doesn't have it in python isntalls Jul 05 14:39:01 so, I was thinking of testing it first on desktop Jul 05 14:39:10 konttori: run it on the tablet then. Jul 05 14:39:11 konttori: canola and other products will use it, so this size will be disolved :-) Jul 05 14:39:32 yeah. and 3 megs is ok anyway. Jul 05 14:39:56 konttori: test evas on desktop? Jul 05 14:40:07 konttori: You mean python2.5 for osx doesn't come with sqlite3 compiled in? Jul 05 14:40:11 konttori: I'll try to package that stuff for ubuntu Jul 05 14:40:50 konttori: have you installed python from here? http://www.python.org/ftp/python/2.5.1/python-2.5.1-macosx.dmg Jul 05 14:41:20 I'm concerned if sqlite3 doesn't come with python on osx. it comes with it on win32... Jul 05 14:43:14 is there a scummvm 0.10 port for maemo. the scummvm site lists very exotic platforms, but not maemo Jul 05 14:46:02 HI Jul 05 14:46:56 i'm looking for recording camera stream! Anyone have made it before?? Jul 05 14:47:16 recording camera stream... through the N800 camera application? Jul 05 14:47:29 no, with my own Jul 05 14:47:38 but on a N800 Jul 05 14:47:56 something like podcasting directly from the N800 then? Jul 05 14:48:14 i think i read it in internetforums before Jul 05 14:48:21 about video streaming to pc Jul 05 14:48:35 in fact, i want to send my video on a upnp renderer Jul 05 14:48:45 ok Jul 05 14:49:05 that should be do-able... don't know how right now, though. Jul 05 14:49:12 i've tried with gstreamer but there is no encoder Jul 05 14:49:42 chrissturm: yes there is scummvm and it is excellent Jul 05 14:49:49 check garage.maemo.org Jul 05 14:49:54 a crude option would be using FUSE and sshfs to write to a remote pipe Jul 05 14:50:01 and it can be compile on arm architecture?? Jul 05 14:50:13 noknok_: there was a gstreamer pipeline mentioned a few days ago Jul 05 14:50:39 which pipeline?? Jul 05 14:51:23 that scummvm thing looks cool. Is there an easy way to buy games for it cheaply? Jul 05 14:51:41 you may want to check abandonware sites Jul 05 14:52:03 http://www.goodolddays.net/ Jul 05 14:52:11 that one might be useful Jul 05 14:52:29 trevarthan: there are some free games available for it, flight of the amazon queen and beneath a steel sky Jul 05 14:52:38 trevarthan: I have python 2.4. There is no pygame for python 2.5 Jul 05 14:52:56 and no, it doesn't come with 2.5 either. Jul 05 14:53:04 .. I think. Jul 05 14:53:25 noknok_: http://www.nerdlogger.com/2007/05/streaming-quicktime-from-nokia-n800.htm, based on http://web.media.mit.edu/~lifton/snippets/n800_to_sl/ Jul 05 14:53:48 konttori: I'm positive sqlite comes with python 2.5. Jul 05 14:53:55 I'll check on the pygame thing... Jul 05 14:54:16 trevarthan: great! Jul 05 14:54:32 dev : the page doesn't exist Jul 05 14:55:09 and a 'l' to the end Jul 05 14:55:35 seems to got lost on pasting Jul 05 14:55:43 ok Jul 05 14:56:19 quite a lot of work, but a really nice idea! Jul 05 14:56:41 not that I have even ever tested second life, but ... sounds great! Jul 05 14:57:47 konttori: for the 'normal' streaming one probably doesn't need everything there Jul 05 14:58:17 gomian: sorry to hear that it looses sync. Are you able to play the same files in sync by using mplayer? Jul 05 14:58:27 dev: true. Jul 05 14:58:30 does anyone know what kins of radio streams are supported with the n770? Jul 05 14:59:04 noknok_: which MediaRenderer? Jul 05 14:59:35 just an Intel example renderer for testing Jul 05 14:59:59 but i'd prefere record the video before send it Jul 05 15:00:56 nate: mp3 radio streams and .rm streams Jul 05 15:01:29 konttori: yeah, doesn't look like pygame exists for OSX and python 2.5 as a package. You'd have to build it yourself. Somebody has to do it... Jul 05 15:01:45 yeah, and make the installer and.... I won't do it. Jul 05 15:02:02 konttori: If you've got python2.5 on your tablet then you could just run it there though. Jul 05 15:02:26 konttori: man that sux. are there any tricks to get other stream formats? Jul 05 15:02:54 for example the streams from radiotime.com? Jul 05 15:04:52 konttori: I don't have a mac, or I'd help you out. :) Sorry man. Jul 05 15:05:25 konttori: you could try macports Jul 05 15:05:59 <_Shurik_> Hey guys, what do you think would be the best way to control winamp on the desktop via n800 (other then vnc or rdesktop)? Jul 05 15:06:33 WinAmp's got a remote control protocol IIRC. Nice little TCP Python app & GUI Jul 05 15:06:45 <_Shurik_> ahha Jul 05 15:06:52 possibly design a web interface and run it on the desktop Jul 05 15:06:52 or a web based app. there are plugins for that Jul 05 15:07:09 <_Shurik_> awsome, that's what I need Jul 05 15:07:31 http://www.flippet.org/wawi/ Jul 05 15:08:07 <_Shurik_> oh nice, thank you! Jul 05 15:08:33 it's old though, may not work for newer winamp versions Jul 05 15:08:39 <_Shurik_> now I will have a better way to select music while I'm floating in the pool Jul 05 15:08:44 <_Shurik_> well, it's a start though Jul 05 15:10:07 for using while floating in the pool, if you're in line of sight to the player, I'd suggest just an IR remote so you don't get your n800 soaked Jul 05 15:10:29 <_Shurik_> I keep it in ziploc bag :) Jul 05 15:11:32 How many do you need? Jul 05 15:11:35 1000? Jul 05 15:11:48 Gah wrong chan. Jul 05 15:11:56 or pick up a 770 for 1/2 the cost so when you fry it you don't feel so bad Jul 05 15:13:35 <_Shurik_> well, I might stop doing that simply because IT's screen is not very sun friendly Jul 05 15:16:30 i saw 770's for sale for $140 Jul 05 15:16:48 http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=204081472 Jul 05 15:17:41 also at http://www.mobileplanet.com/p.aspx?i=141019&se=239 Jul 05 15:19:15 Yeah, I picked up a second one, goal is to make it the frontend to a car pc Jul 05 15:19:25 a lot cheaper than a lilliput touchscreen, and hopefully easier to install Jul 05 15:19:46 just have to get around to writing some gui code for it Jul 05 15:20:34 yeah for 140$ it's not bad a price for a programmable photoframe or newsframe or whatever either.. Jul 05 15:20:56 little small for a photo frame maybe, but not bad Jul 05 15:24:46 <_Shurik_> true Jul 05 15:25:40 <_Shurik_> but I will not prabably get 770 though. I'd rather put that $140 to the side towards the new tablet :) Jul 05 15:26:00 You mean an N800? Jul 05 15:28:38 <_Shurik_> no, n800 is what I have Jul 05 15:28:50 <_Shurik_> but I suppose something new will come out in a year or so Jul 05 15:29:18 True. Jul 05 15:30:38 I'm gonna gimp up an image of my dream N900 :P Jul 05 15:31:39 hi Jul 05 15:31:51 <_Shurik_> pupnik: go for it Jul 05 15:31:57 chrissturm: macports doesn't list what's included. Jul 05 15:32:03 konttori: http://edevelop.org/ubuntu/dists/ --- evas, edje, ... packages for ubuntu Jul 05 15:32:47 I'm very very confused about wich package I need to develop with maemo.... what is the differences betweene these packages: http://repository.maemo.org/stable/gregale/i386/Maemo_Dev_Platform_v2.2_i386-rootstrap.tgz, http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/d2.php?f=Maemo_Dev_Platform_rootfs_Nokia_Binaries_v2.2.tar.gz, http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/d2.php?f=Maemo_Dev_Platform_rootstrap_Nokia_Binaries_v2.2.tar.gz ??? Jul 05 15:33:14 k-s[work]: great. I'll test them out on my vmware. Jul 05 15:33:40 Andy80: follow the scratchbox howto Jul 05 15:33:46 konttori: py25-sqlite3 is the package in macports Jul 05 15:34:05 but is pygame? Jul 05 15:34:36 pupnik: wich one? this http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/Maemo_2.2_Tutorial.html ? I hope you don't call it an howto :S it has a lot of errors... it'unusable! Jul 05 15:35:08 :/ Jul 05 15:35:17 konttori: py-game Jul 05 15:35:49 the i386 is for when you make a program and test it on 386 Jul 05 15:35:53 x86* Jul 05 15:36:10 does anyone know how i can get a .asf internet radio feed playing on my 770? Jul 05 15:36:16 there should be a armel-rootstrap for targetting 770 Jul 05 15:37:01 pupnik: I'm trying to re-write a correct howto in italian and english languages... few months ago I was able to setup a complete development environment but I forgot some things... and I need correct info to write a correct howto :) Jul 05 15:37:15 I don't think the "binaries" part is necessary. I'm not sure. I don't think the rootfs ones are, at least Jul 05 15:38:00 luck^: hey, i just built plain-vanilla python-xml straight from unmodified ubuntu source! Jul 05 15:38:03 Good job Andy80 . I forgot what i used to set up the scratchbox root filesystem Jul 05 15:38:04 KaylaKaze: so this http://repository.maemo.org/stable/gregale/i386/Maemo_Dev_Platform_v2.2_i386-rootstrap.tgz is enough? Jul 05 15:38:32 for making programs to test on the SDK I think it is Jul 05 15:39:02 KaylaKaze: in union with this, offcourse http://repository.maemo.org/stable/gregale/armel/Maemo_Dev_Platform_v2.2_armel-rootstrap.tgz Jul 05 15:39:13 yeah Jul 05 15:39:16 so I can build apps for n770 too Jul 05 15:39:17 ok Jul 05 15:39:34 I'm not sure if the cross compiling stuff is needed Jul 05 15:39:51 or those nokia binaries. I think those nokia binaries are recommended but not necessary Jul 05 15:40:45 KaylaKaze: note... I had those two url saved from the first time I installed it... they're not linked on the official howto :( Jul 05 15:41:46 no excuse me... they're linked.... but only in the second part of howto... very confusing... Jul 05 15:42:01 I know. I read it Jul 05 15:42:28 but in tablets-dev, there are some decent install.txt files Jul 05 15:50:31 KaylaKaze: I finish the italian howto, and I'll test it. You can view it here: http://www.ptlug.org/wiki/Howto_Installazione_Maemo_SDK_Nokia_770 but it's in italian language. I'll translate it to english as soon as possible. Jul 05 15:51:30 has anyone had there on screen keyboard go blank on them? it has all the icons to the left and right but i can write or type in the middle. Jul 05 15:52:15 <_Shurik_> weird Jul 05 15:52:31 I've heard of it before, but never seen it. Jul 05 15:57:05 man it really sux. i cant rix it Jul 05 15:57:08 fix* Jul 05 15:57:47 <_Shurik_> hm, weird Jul 05 15:58:04 <_Shurik_> can you switch to handwriting and then back? Jul 05 15:58:08 nope Jul 05 15:58:11 there both blank Jul 05 15:58:26 <_Shurik_> what the heck did you do? Jul 05 15:58:34 nothing Jul 05 15:58:40 it just started coming up blank Jul 05 15:59:17 <_Shurik_> sounds like reflash to me Jul 05 16:10:33 Hi to all Jul 05 16:10:44 <_Shurik_> hola Jul 05 16:14:15 hio Jul 05 16:15:16 <_Shurik_> why do I have to work today... Jul 05 16:30:28 anyone have any luck streaming asf? Jul 05 16:34:12 nate12o6: maybe mplayer can do it Jul 05 16:34:37 robtaylor.. sorry.. lunch time and I forgot to change nickname Jul 05 16:35:46 robtaylor, ubuntu python packages look very useful to maemo Jul 05 16:48:10 luck^: hmm, got any tricks to make scratchbox stop being clever and running its builtin python? Jul 05 16:50:36 robtaylor, :) well.. if you can't force the use of python2.5 explicitly another way is to rename the /scratchbox/tools/bin/python to python2.3 Jul 05 16:51:35 luck^: ok.. I think i'll just have to do small changes to packages to force 2.5 Jul 05 16:52:01 but you will get some problems when you try to run move, ls, etc if you rename python Jul 05 16:52:25 I did this way to compile kiwi packages Jul 05 16:53:12 robtaylor, its better to force python2.5 usage instead python Jul 05 16:53:39 this another workaround is just for emergencies Jul 05 16:55:13 luck^: here's looking forward to sbox2 ;) Jul 05 16:55:48 robtaylor, for sure! ;) Jul 05 17:06:03 konttori, you have a deb for you mediaplayer for ubuntu Jul 05 17:11:38 * konttori is back Jul 05 17:13:00 unique: for ubuntu as in desktop? Jul 05 17:18:58 hi, can anybody help me with maemo-sdk-install_3.1.sh....it writes that my version of scratchbox is old and I need 1.0.7 but I have just installed 1.0.7 Jul 05 17:20:20 auuu.....anybody here? Jul 05 17:20:53 вот уроды....а еще говорят русские маемо делают... Jul 05 17:22:28 konttori, yes Jul 05 17:22:38 <_Shurik_> what was that? UTF-8? Jul 05 17:23:04 yes Jul 05 17:23:08 sorry Jul 05 17:23:16 <_Shurik_> I can only see cp1251 Jul 05 17:23:26 =) Jul 05 17:23:32 unique311: the same install should work, but audio playback needs a few small changes there. Jul 05 17:23:44 (as your system probably does not had dsp for audio playback) Jul 05 17:23:48 have Jul 05 17:24:06 _Shurik_: privet from Rostov-na-Donu Jul 05 17:24:31 _Shurik_: can you help me with maemo? Jul 05 17:25:29 I just updated ukmp to 1.4 beta 2. Fixes problems playing avi files. Jul 05 17:25:35 https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/1693/UKMP-1.4-uktube0.6beta2.deb Jul 05 17:25:56 <_Shurik_> privet, unfortunatelly no as I haven't done any coding myself yet... But there are lots of people here who can. Just wait! Jul 05 17:27:32 _Shuric_: have you a n800? Jul 05 17:27:36 * thoughtfix is twitching over firmware - eagerness Jul 05 17:27:57 <_Shurik_> hrhr: yes Jul 05 17:28:21 where you bought it? Jul 05 17:28:30 Russia? Jul 05 17:28:32 <_Shurik_> buy.com Jul 05 17:28:34 <_Shurik_> no, I Jul 05 17:28:38 <_Shurik_> I live in the states Jul 05 17:28:44 aaa Jul 05 17:28:46 =( Jul 05 17:28:58 <_Shurik_> n800 not available in Russia? Jul 05 17:29:14 official nokia in Russia can't ship n800 to Rostov only Moscow Jul 05 17:29:55 how mutch it cost in US? Jul 05 17:30:26 <_Shurik_> I payed 380 for it I think Jul 05 17:30:57 <_Shurik_> but then I got 8gig SD memory for it and a gps unit Jul 05 17:31:19 uh....www.nokia-shop.ru....look, 15000 rub ~ 550$ Jul 05 17:31:33 without sd and gps Jul 05 17:31:59 <_Shurik_> yeah... always much more expensive Jul 05 17:32:21 <_Shurik_> let's dig an underground tunnel so we can wheel-barrel those things in for cheap Jul 05 17:37:04 _Shuric_: are buy.com ships in to Russia? Jul 05 17:37:23 <_Shurik_> probably not... Jul 05 17:37:36 =( Jul 05 17:37:42 urodi Jul 05 17:37:55 <_Shurik_> but still some people get them somehow Jul 05 17:38:08 may be you know any US company which ships n800 to Russia? Jul 05 17:38:32 380$ n800 and 100$ shipping I think Jul 05 17:39:06 <_Shurik_> you should probably see what you can order from europe instead Jul 05 17:39:14 <_Shurik_> shipping might be cheaper Jul 05 17:39:25 <_Shurik_> what are you getting n800 for? Business or pleasure? Jul 05 17:39:42 for me only Jul 05 17:39:59 I like gadgets Jul 05 17:40:03 <_Shurik_> personal bathroom assistant Jul 05 17:40:09 =) Jul 05 17:40:18 <_Shurik_> I'll be back, gotta get some lunch Jul 05 17:40:20 <_Shurik_> starving Jul 05 17:40:22 <_Shurik_> brb Jul 05 17:41:18 hrhr: might make sense to ask someone travelling to Moscow from Rostov to buy it at Nokia shop Jul 05 17:42:38 ab: I think about it, but nowbody....shipping on bus 100rub, but I haven't man in moscow for buying Jul 05 17:42:53 *nobody Jul 05 17:44:27 how mutch n800 in germany? Jul 05 17:45:06 399EUR, may be a bit less Jul 05 17:45:15 Yo. Jul 05 17:45:29 k-s[WORK] -- you awake? Jul 05 17:46:06 ab: why 380$ in US and 399EUR in europe?... Jul 05 17:46:35 hrhr: nokia set up same price at the opening: $399 and 399EUR Jul 05 17:46:54 this is Nokia's way to do things, it was the same with 770 Jul 05 17:47:16 and 15000rub Jul 05 17:47:17 fuck Jul 05 17:47:22 same as zauruses Jul 05 17:49:33 ab: are you Russian? Jul 05 17:49:39 hrhr: kind of. Jul 05 17:49:54 =/ Jul 05 17:50:48 and what part of you is Russian?=) Jul 05 17:51:19 hrhr: 100% if you speak on blood, 0% of passport Jul 05 17:51:43 mda Jul 05 17:52:29 it's true that Russians created n770-800 project? Jul 05 17:53:49 there are many nationalities involved, some of them are of Slavic family, including Russian Jul 05 17:53:51 :-) Jul 05 17:54:17 as I think=) Jul 05 17:54:31 http://www.nokia-shop.ru/phones/nokia-n800/ Jul 05 17:55:08 as I listen problem with sdhc is solved on n800? Jul 05 17:56:57 I hope the patch will be in next firmware Jul 05 17:57:02 sdhc problem? you mean not supported by firmware? Jul 05 17:57:07 Xenon3DN: sorry, I was away Jul 05 17:57:15 allegedly sdhc is in the next firmware Jul 05 17:57:46 in official firmware from nokia? Jul 05 17:58:04 hrhr: allegedly, yes Jul 05 17:58:13 what things I need to look at first when I'll by n800? Jul 05 17:58:14 the next as yet unreleased firmware Jul 05 17:59:16 depends... what interests you? Jul 05 17:59:16 any diagnostic menu like in zauruses? Jul 05 17:59:39 ah... you'll probably want to get root so install becomeroot or put the device in R&D mode Jul 05 17:59:43 I am reloading the firmware repository every 4 hours or so. Jul 05 17:59:46 <-- addict Jul 05 17:59:49 then install xterm and ssh (open ssh or dropbear) Jul 05 17:59:58 thoughtfix++ Jul 05 18:00:05 karma thoughtfix Jul 05 18:00:06 <_Monkey> thoughtfix has karma of 1 Jul 05 18:00:12 :) Jul 05 18:00:35 Everyone expects me to drop a Skype review and videos on day 1 Jul 05 18:00:38 I must not disappoint Jul 05 18:00:43 thoughtfix, maybe we need a bot for that :P Jul 05 18:01:01 i want a full review before the end of the day! Jul 05 18:01:11 Well Jul 05 18:01:17 with youtube videos Jul 05 18:01:18 If I wake up any given morning and there's a new firmware Jul 05 18:01:27 (the release watching, not the review) Jul 05 18:01:29 Chances are I'm calling in "sick" to my day job Jul 05 18:01:37 hehe Jul 05 18:01:37 rofl Jul 05 18:02:10 The best thing Nokia could do for me is release it at 7 PM Arizona time. Jul 05 18:02:27 skype packages seem to be leaking out... most odd Jul 05 18:02:32 But that's 5 AM Helsinki time Jul 05 18:02:43 should we give you a wake up call? Jul 05 18:02:50 Yes please Jul 05 18:02:52 ;) Jul 05 18:02:56 lol Jul 05 18:03:03 i only half-jest... ;) Jul 05 18:04:02 Can you imagine Jul 05 18:04:05 3 AM Arizona time Jul 05 18:04:08 my phone rings ... Jul 05 18:04:13 "mmmmh?" Jul 05 18:04:16 "New firmware" Jul 05 18:04:21 "Get on it!" Jul 05 18:04:25 "WHOA! Got it! Okay!" Jul 05 18:04:38 "Bye!" Jul 05 18:04:46 Simultaneous downloading and espresso brewing Jul 05 18:05:04 i have to admire the dedication :) Jul 05 18:05:11 Well Jul 05 18:05:23 One day I hope to make a living off writing Jul 05 18:05:23 do you feel pangs of guilt if you haven't blogged for a while? Jul 05 18:05:45 Dude ... Let me tell you ... I have a woman in my life now and it's a battle. Jul 05 18:06:09 argh... nightmare - they demand so much of your attention!! Jul 05 18:06:09 And yes, I do. Jul 05 18:06:15 Well Jul 05 18:06:22 (don't tell her that though - bad things might happen) Jul 05 18:06:36 Yeah. I can't blog with her around, that's certain. Jul 05 18:06:47 Especially not videos. Jul 05 18:07:02 well we do appreciate your efforts Jul 05 18:07:27 i hope you get a job blogging or something similar... did you see Stefan from RingNokia got a job blogging full time? Jul 05 18:07:28 :) I do appriciate the great device Jul 05 18:07:41 Right... That's good for him. Jul 05 18:07:58 you may be flooded with devices next year... so many devices, so little blogging time... Jul 05 18:08:42 Actually I am kind of wary of the Origami UMPCs now. One very specific reason stands out: http://www.ultramobilegeek.com/2007/06/microsofts-origami-team-goes-dark.html Jul 05 18:09:17 i was thinking more of the Intel MIDs... the Origamis are way overrated - devices looking for a problem Jul 05 18:09:39 Maybe Microsoft have thrown in the towel Jul 05 18:10:04 Add Origami to the list along with Bob etc. Jul 05 18:10:13 I want to know more about the Intel MID, but Intel's marketing department is not very responsive to "small" bloggers Jul 05 18:10:50 maybe they're short of hardware at this stage? Jul 05 18:11:05 i thought they were targetting mid 2008 for launch Jul 05 18:11:17 45nm CPU etc. Jul 05 18:12:26 hi again Jul 05 18:13:09 I've finished translating my howto that explain how to install the Maemo SDK 2.2 on Linux, to develop N770 applications. You can find it here: http://www.ptlug.org/wiki/Howto_Installing_Maemo_SDK_for_Nokia_770 Jul 05 18:13:32 feel free to copy, modify it ecc.... it should be 100% working. I've tested it on my own machine. Jul 05 18:13:58 I've to go now, see ya later :) Jul 05 18:14:00 Andy80++ Jul 05 18:14:06 Andy80: can yo help me with 3.1 ? Jul 05 18:14:11 maemo sdk Jul 05 18:14:13 I think I'll use my ultramobilegeek branding to cover Intel MIDs. I don't want to pollute tabletblog with too may non-maemo devices. Jul 05 18:14:48 i'm sure there'll be some cross over but also two quite different strategies as well Jul 05 18:14:51 so probably wise Jul 05 18:15:20 i think umpcs will morph into MIDs so ultramobile geek probably covers that "side" of things Jul 05 18:15:50 Right... and since tabletblog is about 250 posts that are ALL about Nokia tablets, accessories, editorials, and related technology, I'll keep unrelated devices off. Jul 05 18:16:11 keep the riff raff out Jul 05 18:16:20 and tabletblog has nearly 3x the subscriber base according to feedburner. Jul 05 18:16:37 Though both have had boosts lately. Jul 05 18:16:57 you seen skype is almos available?? Jul 05 18:17:04 http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/certified/pool/bora/user/s/skype/ Jul 05 18:17:12 *almost Jul 05 18:17:25 there are some missing dependencies Jul 05 18:17:44 interesting that it's in bora - that means it doesn't need new firmware Jul 05 18:18:37 was going to mention the same Jul 05 18:18:38 bora Jul 05 18:18:50 Most people assume that the firmware will include Skype or that they will happen at the same time. I think this will be the case too as there will likely be improvements to how the tablets handle audio Jul 05 18:18:52 thats a good thing Jul 05 18:18:57 milhouse: also notice there is an empty chinook directory there Jul 05 18:19:26 install skype without the need to update firmware would be nice. Jul 05 18:19:38 i don't think we're getting chinook any time soon are we? that's maemo 4.0 isn't it? Jul 05 18:19:57 thoughtfix: i think there will be a firmware upgrade along with skype Jul 05 18:20:07 i'm happy for Skype to be a seperate download though I had kind of assumed it might be tied into the new firmware release Jul 05 18:20:11 milhouse: who knows... Jul 05 18:20:16 k-s[WORK]: And then _I_ was at lunch. You still around? Jul 05 18:20:34 I've never seen a reason to NOT upgrade firmware on the tablets, though. Unlike borking DUN on my Motorola Q, the Tablet firmware upgrades have never broken any functionality to my knowledge. Jul 05 18:20:51 Xenon3DN: yep Jul 05 18:21:06 what 4gb sd are you using? Jul 05 18:21:13 thoughtfix: timezone locals :) Jul 05 18:21:45 thoughtfix: that firmware, can't remember which one, where Nokia managed to ship it with only the Helsinki timezone file! Jul 05 18:21:49 KaylaKaze and I both tried getting Canola to work with files. We can get it to work with files locally on the MMC card, but despite adding the share to the Canola Config media library list, it never seems to find the files. Jul 05 18:21:57 thoughtfix: that's because upgrade as it is done right now is suboptimal... It should be upgradable as any other linux distro Jul 05 18:21:59 That was fixed quick though, wasn't it? Jul 05 18:22:09 thoughtfix: not by Nokia Jul 05 18:22:27 etrunko: I am sure it CAN be upgraded to any distro if someone bothers coding the bootstraps/rootstraps Jul 05 18:22:28 I think someone in the community came up with a download timezone tar but Nokia didn't fix it Jul 05 18:22:30 BRB Jul 05 18:22:35 until the next release several months later Jul 05 18:23:02 Xenon3DN: from Xterm, ls /my/mount/point list files? Jul 05 18:23:16 thoughtfix: that's nokia job Jul 05 18:23:18 ... Let me get the device fired up. Jul 05 18:23:36 Xenon3DN: it's weird if not, because I use regular unix opendir() readdir() ... Jul 05 18:24:12 Is there anywhere that I can browse Canola's data files directly, to see for myself where it is looking and what it is searching? Jul 05 18:24:44 etrunko - I think Nokia are working on ensuring that the application manager can update the OS as well to the point where reflashing is no longer the norm. there's a bug that was marked as fixed which now allows application to be restored following a backup/reflash which will be nice Jul 05 18:25:18 Xenon3DN: try to trigger rescan, canola-conf-rescan.sh (i think that's the name) Jul 05 18:25:28 milhouse: that's really nice. Jul 05 18:25:36 Xenon3DN: it should register these in ~/.canola/canola.db Jul 05 18:25:54 Is that human-readable? Jul 05 18:27:03 Xenon3DN: sqlite Jul 05 18:29:22 has anyone got pptp working on there n770? Jul 05 18:31:13 Xenon3DN: sqlite3 ~/.canola/canola.db Jul 05 18:31:50 <_Shurik_> Hmmm, Xenon... I'd like to have that ported to n800 :) (the game, Xenon 2) Jul 05 18:33:09 ;) Jul 05 18:33:28 <_Shurik_> good 'ol game Jul 05 18:35:58 etrunko: I don't think it's Nokia's job to deliver alternate Linux distributions on the tablet. The tablet is a consumer electronics device and Nokia's responsibility is just to make sure it works properly and they're going above and beyond by offering development tools. Jul 05 18:36:17 thoughtfix: i'm not talking about alternate distros Jul 05 18:36:42 What were you referring to then? Jul 05 18:36:49 my feeling is the tablet system should be upgradable like any other linux distro Jul 05 18:37:36 People have already been rolling their own custom kernels and modules... It's just not as easy on an embedded device as it is on a desktop. Jul 05 18:38:43 yes, but for the whole majority it wouldn't be a problem Jul 05 18:39:09 re Jul 05 18:39:15 anyone knows what is this scratchbox-devkit-maemo3 i can see in apt ? Jul 05 18:39:17 k-s[WORK]: Restesting everything now to make sure I have correct, current info for you. Jul 05 18:39:35 i launched the scratchbox install script foudn on repository.maemo.org but it did not install it Jul 05 18:39:41 and also, http://repository.maemo.org/stable/bora gives 404 :(((( Jul 05 18:40:51 guardian: try http://repository.maemo.org/stable/3.1 Jul 05 18:40:53 wow Jul 05 18:40:59 now we also have 3.2 Jul 05 18:41:39 bora is pointing to 3.2 which is not working yet Jul 05 18:42:11 etrunko: are you deal with 3.1? Jul 05 18:42:35 hrhr: 3.1 is the latest (known) stable Jul 05 18:43:15 * thoughtfix is the latest known unstable. Jul 05 18:44:08 I'v problem with installing it...with scratchbox 1.0.7...inst script say that I have old version of scratchbox Jul 05 18:44:19 but I just install 1.0.7 Jul 05 18:45:29 which 4gb sd do you use? I've bought one sandisk SD-HC, but no luck :-( Jul 05 18:45:40 k-s[WORK]: Verified still unable to see MP3s in Canola. Am able to ls them from xterm. Checking the sql database now... Jul 05 18:46:03 scsi 2:0:0:0: Direct-Access SanDisk SDDR-113 1.00 PQ: 0 ANSI: 0 Jul 05 18:46:09 i love irssi on the nokia Jul 05 18:46:10 (on my PC) Jul 05 18:46:27 k-s[WORK]: Did you install the patched kenel? Jul 05 18:46:38 X-Fade: no... where I can find it? Jul 05 18:47:10 k-s: I own Transcend SDHC Class 2 (4GB and 8GB) cards which have no problems; I've got a 4GB SDHC Class 2 SanDisk card and it's much slower than the Transcends - the SanDisk cards don't support high speed mode so I would tend to avoid San Disk if at all possible (though it should work) Jul 05 18:47:42 milhouse: any patch required to use it? Jul 05 18:48:06 Patch SDHC Kernel is at http://intr.overt.org/blog/?p=50 Jul 05 18:48:09 http://intr.overt.org/blog/?p=49 Jul 05 18:48:15 Ah duh ;) Jul 05 18:48:38 you link has more meat on it but they should both point to the same download location :) Jul 05 18:48:53 Patch SDHC Kernel? Jul 05 18:48:53 <_Monkey> it has been said that Patch SDHC Kernel is at http://intr.overt.org/blog/?p=50 Jul 05 18:49:00 forget Patch SDHC Kernel Jul 05 18:49:01 <_Monkey> milhouse: I forgot patch sdhc kernel Jul 05 18:49:25 Patched SDHC Kernel is at http://intr.overt.org/n800-sdhc-kernel/sdhc-kernel-3.2007.10.bin Jul 05 18:49:44 well Jul 05 18:49:53 installing 3.1 with the scripts does not work that much Jul 05 18:50:07 it complains devkit-debian is not installed Jul 05 18:50:08 but it is Jul 05 18:50:19 Hmm Jul 05 18:50:27 Aloha! Jul 05 18:50:28 i installed scratchbox with the scripts on maemo.org Jul 05 18:50:34 and it's all fucked up :) Jul 05 18:50:38 16GB SDHC. Heh. Jul 05 18:50:38 anyway ... Jul 05 18:50:49 is there an announcement about 3.2 ? Jul 05 18:51:01 16GB SDHC, not far off I should imagine Jul 05 18:52:07 guardian: and how you set up SDK? Jul 05 18:52:22 sdk setup fails Jul 05 18:52:37 the script complains about devkit-debian Jul 05 18:52:42 prolly version mismatch Jul 05 18:52:46 guardian - i think Nokia tend to release the SDKs a week or two after the firmware... or maybe that's the source code for the firmware... Jul 05 18:53:11 3.2 would correspond to the unreleased firmware, wouldn't it? Jul 05 18:53:12 http://www.akihabaranews.com/en/news-13765-16GB+SDHC+card+by+MICRODIA.html Jul 05 18:53:25 Sorry, crashed pidgin. :( Jul 05 18:53:53 1800????!!!! Jul 05 18:54:01 I have devkit-debian Jul 05 18:54:01 1.0.6.... Jul 05 18:54:01 here problem? Jul 05 18:54:03 k-s[WORK]: Is sqlite3 part of an optional package? I'm not finding it from xterm. Jul 05 18:54:14 Xenon3DN: yes, an extra package Jul 05 18:54:51 How can bora mplayer be flagged to not install on IT2007 Jul 05 18:55:08 3.500 dollars... Jul 05 18:55:09 lol Jul 05 18:55:15 "a bit expensive" Jul 05 18:55:18 The 770 needs the mistral mplayer Jul 05 18:55:33 a bit expensive Jul 05 18:55:39 nokipup, by putting it in the proper repository ? Jul 05 18:55:56 can buy a descent notebook... Jul 05 18:55:58 and by having user not using repository not fitted for they device :) Jul 05 18:55:59 =) Jul 05 18:56:00 and a desktop at that Jul 05 18:56:09 and maybe a umpc Jul 05 18:56:48 i've got no luck Jul 05 18:56:51 need to reinstall my box Jul 05 18:57:02 and it happens in the middle of 3.2 release it seems Jul 05 18:57:09 i hope it won't last too long Jul 05 18:57:19 but i'm afraid i'll have to wait until tomorrow or more Jul 05 18:57:26 i could hire someone to follow me around and swap the two 8GB memory cards in my N800 when required and I'd still have some spare change. Jul 05 18:57:52 I'm not able to reach http://www.owenwilliams.plus.com/maemo/ which is the sqlite3 maemo homepage. Anyone know the repository details to install it? Jul 05 18:58:36 milhouse: ??? Jul 05 18:59:00 nevermind got it Jul 05 18:59:27 guardian: sorry, i don't know the answer :( Jul 05 18:59:46 milhouse: no i wondered about your last sentence, about hiring someone :) Jul 05 18:59:49 then i read backlog Jul 05 18:59:52 oh right... :) Jul 05 19:00:11 Looks like archive.org has a 3.2.7 copy from Feb 27. Is that new enough? Jul 05 19:00:11 the link above is for a 16GB SDHC card costing 1800 / $3500!! Jul 05 19:00:26 quote "it's a bit expensive" Jul 05 19:00:56 http://www.akihabaranews.com/en/news-13765-16GB+SDHC+card+by+MICRODIA.html Jul 05 19:01:48 mmm 16gb Jul 05 19:08:09 i'm still unsure about having the same nickname "bora" for different software releases: 3.0 3.1 3.2 Jul 05 19:08:11 yow Jul 05 19:08:12 <_Monkey> There's enough money here to buy 5000 cans of Noodle-Roni! "These are DARK TIMES for all mankind's HIGHEST VALUES!" "These are DARK TIMES for FREEDOM and PROSPERITY!" "These are GREAT TIMES to put your money on BAD GUY to kick the CRAP out of MEGATON MAN!" Jul 05 19:08:46 Scirocco was 3.0 wasn't it? Bora was 3.1.... should have something else for 3.2 reallyt Jul 05 19:09:13 and Gregale is something else entirely Jul 05 19:09:33 have the n800 a2dp profile for playing stereo throught bluetooth? Jul 05 19:09:41 not supported Jul 05 19:09:46 =( Jul 05 19:09:54 :(((((( Jul 05 19:09:54 how about bluez-alsa? Jul 05 19:10:05 no Jul 05 19:10:08 bora was 3.0 Jul 05 19:10:12 at first Jul 05 19:10:15 then 3.1 Jul 05 19:10:21 scirroro was 2.1 then gregale 2.2 Jul 05 19:10:28 scirocco Jul 05 19:10:34 bluez-alsa: i think someone is working on getting something working along those lines, but nokia do not officially support a2dp Jul 05 19:10:50 milhouse, http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/07/microdia-launches-16gb-sdhc-card-your-pocketbook-weeps-for-sham/ Jul 05 19:10:51 guardian: thanks... i find it all very confusing :) Jul 05 19:10:57 they got it at 3500 Jul 05 19:10:58 it is :) Jul 05 19:11:15 I'll take 2! Jul 05 19:11:40 next year...99 dollars Jul 05 19:11:49 forget next year.. Jul 05 19:11:51 by december Jul 05 19:11:59 yeah, it will depreciate faster than my car! Jul 05 19:12:26 Xenon3DN: I'm bit out of time to help you with that Jul 05 19:12:35 Xenon3DN: lsobral__ should try to help you Jul 05 19:12:55 Ok, I'll keep watching for Isobral. Jul 05 19:13:07 Xenon3DN: but you can play by disable canola-applet (so canola-conf is not automatically restarted) Jul 05 19:13:25 Xenon3DN: then you use export CANOLA_DEBUG=1 Jul 05 19:13:33 Ok. Jul 05 19:13:38 Xenon3DN: then canola-conf -v -v -v to start debug Jul 05 19:13:48 Will try that. Jul 05 19:13:50 Thanks! Jul 05 19:13:52 andrunko: what's the other environment variables we have? Jul 05 19:14:52 The Boys from Brazil aren't busy coding - a firmware release must be imminent!!! ;) Jul 05 19:15:24 CANOLA_DEBUG=1 CANOLA_DEBUG_CNLTYPES="*" canola-conf -v -v -v Jul 05 19:15:32 k-s[WORK]: Jul 05 19:16:26 So who is going to win the Copa America? Jul 05 19:17:14 Brazil of course :P Jul 05 19:17:26 Ha, but you're biased :) Jul 05 19:17:34 They seem to be struggling a bit Jul 05 19:19:16 Do you guys know what this Alex Pato guy is like? Jul 05 19:19:58 hrhr: I've got a2dp working on my n800. Jul 05 19:20:09 milhouse: :D Jul 05 19:20:27 a2dp is what Jul 05 19:20:46 stereo bluetooth Jul 05 19:20:56 andrunko: my team (Chelsea) are looking to sign him - he's mean to be better than Ronaldo and Ronalihno, which doesn't sound too bad! :) Jul 05 19:21:05 s/mean/meant/ Jul 05 19:21:06 milhouse meant: andrunko: my team (Chelsea) are looking to sign him - he's meant to be better than Ronaldo and Ronalihno, which doesn't sound too bad! :) Jul 05 19:21:40 Hmm Jul 05 19:21:44 I don't want to be at this job anymore. Jul 05 19:21:50 Can someone give me a new one? ;) Jul 05 19:22:06 milhouse: i don't know about him Jul 05 19:22:18 hrhr: A2DP howto: http://www.guardiani.us/index.php/N800_custom_packages#Bluetooth_ALSA Jul 05 19:22:38 milhouse: but if he is as good as ronaldinho he should be good Jul 05 19:22:58 andrunko: he's meant to be a bit of a wonder kid - time will tell. :) Jul 05 19:23:18 I've got a frontend GUI for mplayer that supports switching between normal audio and a2dp audio with the tap of a button too. It's based on ukmp. Jul 05 19:24:15 I haven't released a .deb yet as it's still under heavy development, but I've been using it on a daily basis for about a week now. Jul 05 19:24:24 i would give the guy who ports dillo to gtk2 and maemo a big cheeseburger Jul 05 19:24:31 nice trevarthan Jul 05 19:24:40 trevarthan - how does it affect battery life? Jul 05 19:25:39 milhouse: It definitely uses more CPU than DSP-only playback, but as long as you leave the screen off it doesn't hurt it too much. Jul 05 19:26:05 Oh "Dillo!" You said dillo. I thought you were being naughty Jul 05 19:26:15 I usually leave my n800 plugged in on my desk anyway. When I walk around I unplug it and lock it and place it in my pocket. So battery life is never an issue for me. Jul 05 19:26:41 i'd use it on the way into work, but could plug the n800 into power when i get there Jul 05 19:27:16 obviously the less power consumed the better... :) Jul 05 19:27:31 i'm surprised the iPhone doesn't have A2DP... wonder if that's a Unix/Linux thing? Jul 05 19:27:42 milhouse: I don't know what country you live in, but Walmart in the USA carries phone chargers for a standard car jack for like 8 USD. They're super cheap. Jul 05 19:27:58 I built a pocket fission reactor for my N800. It worked until the government took it away saying something about permits and stuff. Jul 05 19:28:03 UK, and I commute :( Jul 05 19:28:18 ah. public transportation? Jul 05 19:28:24 yep Jul 05 19:28:47 trains mostly (overground and underground) with the occasional bus Jul 05 19:28:51 in London Jul 05 19:29:01 I bet it would be ok so long as you left the screen off most of the time. I think you could get at least 2 hours out of it. I've never tried to get more than that. Jul 05 19:29:21 If you're that tight on power, you can get any adapter that'd otherwise work on an N80 phone and use it on the 770 or N800, including USB adapters and a portable USB battery Jul 05 19:29:32 should be, as it would be in my pocket almost the entire journey Jul 05 19:30:18 milhouse: Let me know if you want the frontend GUI. It's GPL python code, so you can just download a tar.gz and run it from an xterm until I make an installer. Requires mplayer and python 2.5. Those are the only dependencies on maemo. Jul 05 19:30:21 http://www.guardiani.us/index.php/N800_custom_packages#Bluetooth_ALSA Jul 05 19:30:22 23:23 < andrunko> milhouse: but if he is as good as ronaldinho he should be good Jul 05 19:30:22 23:24 < milhouse> andrunko: he's meant to be a bit of a wonder kid - time will tell. :) Jul 05 19:31:14 i think the N800 should be able to do almost any activity for at least 2-3 hours on a single charge, as that should cover most regular commutes Jul 05 19:31:33 any less than that and something needs to change (the software and/or hardware) Jul 05 19:32:15 trevarthan - if you send me a link i'll give it a go, i've got a Sony Ericsson bluetooth headset here Jul 05 19:32:30 oh i see - guardini.us? Jul 05 19:32:40 ok. gimme a sec to tar it up. guardiani.us, yes. Jul 05 19:33:49 i get over 7 on the 770 Jul 05 19:33:54 milhouse: go ahead and download mplayer and the bluez debs from that link first. You'll need those to run a2dp. Jul 05 19:34:13 ok Jul 05 19:34:42 anyone know of a lightweight browser alternative for the tablets Jul 05 19:34:47 the mplayer I package is slightly different from the one on maemo.org. It has the software mp3 codec and alsa compiled in. Otherwise it's identical. Jul 05 19:35:15 ok i'll uninstall my current mplayer Jul 05 19:35:51 why use the software mp3 codec... Jul 05 19:38:50 does anyone know if there's a build of links for OS 2007? Jul 05 19:39:12 nokipup: you have to use software mp3 because you need to decode the mp3 and send it to alsa so the a2dpd process can encode it as SBC and send it over a2dp protocol to the headset. Jul 05 19:39:13 i upgraded my 770 to 2007HE, and the version on maemo (http://maemo.org/downloads/product/links/) doesn't work. Jul 05 19:39:47 trevarthan - can't install the SBC deb, says... Package must have "Section:user/FOO" to be considered compatible. Jul 05 19:39:50 jpt9 use the os2006 version Jul 05 19:39:59 i don't think it works. Jul 05 19:40:05 this is on N800 with 3.2007.10-1, SDHC kernel Jul 05 19:40:09 i'll try it now, just in case. Jul 05 19:40:32 i'm not running OS 2006. Jul 05 19:40:41 i know Jul 05 19:40:58 man, opera crashes on garage.maemo.org Jul 05 19:41:00 milhouse: I'm running 3.2007.10-7, SDHC kernel. Jul 05 19:41:06 odd Jul 05 19:41:34 yeah. Perhaps you can install it as root using dpkg -i? Jul 05 19:41:43 sorry typo on my part - my firmware is 3.2007.10-7 Jul 05 19:41:54 i'll give it a try Jul 05 19:42:20 nokipup: it just says "Unable to install. Application package is incompatible with current software." Jul 05 19:42:38 jpt9 can you paste a link for OS2006 links debian package? i can not use opera here Jul 05 19:42:58 ill grab it with wget Jul 05 19:43:19 trevarthan - that worked... how strange. ok, on to Plugz... Jul 05 19:43:25 it's a .install file, not a .deb. Jul 05 19:43:45 hmm...too late and no new firmware yet..=/ Jul 05 19:43:48 dont use the install file. download the deb and install with dpkg -i Jul 05 19:44:07 milhouse: yeah, sorry about that. I have no idea why it did that. It worked for me. I'll look into it later when I roll release debs. Jul 05 19:44:38 sbc, plugz and mplayer now installed :) Jul 05 19:45:21 alright. do you have python2.5? Jul 05 19:45:54 no, i'll get that now Jul 05 19:46:35 OK. Good luck. I'm not sure where I got mine from. It either came bundled with something or I installed it from the maemo page. Can't remember. Jul 05 19:47:30 installing python2.5-runtime now... Jul 05 19:48:02 Here's the ukmp code: http://www.guardiani.us/ukmp-dev-20070705.tar.gz Jul 05 19:48:47 To use it, type in an xterm: `tar -xvzf ukmp-dev-20070705.tar.gz; cd ukmp.dist; ./ukmp-scanner.py; ./ukmp.py` Jul 05 19:49:33 ukmp-scanner.py scans your ID3 tags, just like ukmp's normal scanner. It stores them in a sqlite3 database. Then ./ukmp.py is the actual mplayer frontend GUI. Jul 05 19:50:15 ukmp looks good Jul 05 19:50:16 i just tried the "hcitool scan" command as root and it says "Device is not available: No such device" - is the command correct? Jul 05 19:51:00 should be. This is on an n800? Jul 05 19:51:10 Is your bluetooth turned on? Jul 05 19:51:25 the .deb installed perfectly fine. Jul 05 19:51:30 using the app manager! Jul 05 19:51:43 yes, n800 Jul 05 19:51:50 (yes, i know it's linux-powred and all, but I prefer to use the app manager if possible) Jul 05 19:51:57 trevartan: no... ;) Jul 05 19:52:11 i'll switch it on now... thought it would come on automagically doh Jul 05 19:52:38 I'll have to mention that on the wiki. Jul 05 19:53:54 nice jpt9 Jul 05 19:54:28 jpt9 you don Jul 05 19:54:43 jpt9: can you give me url please Jul 05 19:54:47 yeah. Jul 05 19:54:48 (sorry) Jul 05 19:55:19 i dont know why opera is being so nasty right now Jul 05 19:55:35 oh theres another console webbrowser that can do graphics ... forgot the name Jul 05 19:55:45 http://tavifont.googlepages.com/links_1.00pre17-1_armel.deb Jul 05 19:55:49 and once you get that... Jul 05 19:55:51 http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationCatalog2006 Jul 05 19:56:25 i noticed that the guy who ported links mentioned that several of the apps were simply ones from the app catalog put in his own repository for easy access. Jul 05 19:56:35 milhouse: BTW, there are a few tips and tricks to use once you get my version of ukmp working with A2DP. Let me know when/if you've got it working and I'll give you all my tuning advice. I need to write those down too.... Jul 05 19:58:29 trying to detect my headphones at the moment... not having much luck :( Jul 05 19:58:55 thanks jpt9 Jul 05 19:59:13 no problem. Jul 05 19:59:20 anything else you need while i'm here? :-) Jul 05 19:59:28 heh no with links i am happy Jul 05 19:59:37 * jpt9 wants elinks now :-) Jul 05 19:59:44 southpark Jul 05 19:59:47 uups Jul 05 19:59:49 wrong channel Jul 05 20:00:16 how hard is it to compile apps for a 770? Jul 05 20:00:21 i have an iBook G4 with OS X 10.4.10. Jul 05 20:00:38 pretty darn easy Jul 05 20:00:43 hey, quick question- do you file N800/770 bugs at maemo's bugzilla? or is there something specific to the device? Jul 05 20:00:45 milhouse: you've got the headset in pairing mode? Jul 05 20:00:50 hi I have a problem when using media converter to convert films for my N800, I try with a lot of different video but I have the same problem: the sound is horrible Jul 05 20:01:00 do you know this problem? Jul 05 20:01:07 or rather, cross-compile them, in my case... Jul 05 20:01:19 (unless it's possible to compile on the n770 itself, which is probably a bad idea :-) ) Jul 05 20:01:45 you can get a vmware image with scratchbox installed Jul 05 20:01:59 its LOTS of fun jpt9 Jul 05 20:02:00 except my ibook, being an ibook, is powerpc. Jul 05 20:02:10 are you being sarcastic? Jul 05 20:02:13 no Jul 05 20:02:16 oh. Jul 05 20:02:16 okay. Jul 05 20:02:25 http://pupnik.de my fun projects Jul 05 20:02:39 i will be getting an awesome new thinkpad for college, which I'll probably dual boot windows and linux on. Jul 05 20:02:48 trevarthan - do i need to follow the instructions on your web page, downloading .a2dprc etc? Jul 05 20:02:59 yes Jul 05 20:03:05 k Jul 05 20:03:29 you should get it working with mplayer first, the way I describe it there. Then, once that is working the ukmp thing should work automatically. Jul 05 20:03:41 any downloads of these apps? Jul 05 20:04:48 anyone? where to file N800 bugs? Jul 05 20:05:03 or, maybe someone knows of this already, thoguh i can't find it in bugzilla Jul 05 20:05:35 nokipup: are these apps downloadable somewhere? Jul 05 20:05:52 trevarthan - i'm a bit confused about the "rswitch" change, where is lp? Jul 05 20:06:07 sometimes, but not always, when i lock the keys/screen with Power -> Dpad Center i can't bring it back out of keylock mode. the power button is recognized as being hit, but none of the buttons along the left of the screen are recognized, and none of them even bring up the box that says "Press [Power] and [] to unlock" Jul 05 20:06:16 this is only sometimes, usually it's fine. Jul 05 20:06:30 jpt9: there are download links for some. what interests you? Jul 05 20:06:45 milhouse: edit /etc/bluetooth/hcid.conf. The "lp" setting is in there. It should make sense when you see the file. Jul 05 20:07:06 dosbox, frodo, and POSE. Jul 05 20:07:07 milhouse: you'll need to be root to edit that file, I think. Jul 05 20:07:12 how stable are they? Jul 05 20:07:18 got it Jul 05 20:07:55 they all work fine for me. pose is on garage.maemo.org. dosbox and frodo dont have a deb package yet .. just download and untar them Jul 05 20:08:14 hmm... Jul 05 20:08:25 what happens if I untar them onto a memory card? Jul 05 20:08:29 can i run them off of it? Jul 05 20:08:37 trevarthan: i'm about to reboot, do i need to insert the mac address of my bluetooth headphones anywhere? Jul 05 20:09:24 and how well does dosbox work? Jul 05 20:09:35 jpt9: the executeables need to be on root filesystem, other fileas can be on memory card Jul 05 20:09:38 enough to play sopwith? Jul 05 20:09:41 oh. Jul 05 20:09:42 dosbox is about as fast as an ibm xt Jul 05 20:09:55 thats enough to play sopwith Jul 05 20:09:59 where are the download links? Jul 05 20:10:03 milhouse: yeah, you should have put it in ~/.a2dprc Jul 05 20:10:07 one moment Jul 05 20:10:10 okay. Jul 05 20:10:11 thanks. Jul 05 20:10:16 was 3.2 announced on the dev mailing list ? Jul 05 20:10:29 ah right - do i need to pair the n800 with the headset as well? Jul 05 20:10:40 milhouse: yes. Jul 05 20:10:51 k, done that... now to edit .a2dprc and reboot Jul 05 20:11:14 milhouse: I really need to number these steps. I'm making clarifications to the wiki as I talk to you. Jul 05 20:11:46 http://pupnik.de/ http://tavifont.googlepages.com/links_1.00pre17-1_armel.deb Jul 05 20:11:56 sorry Jul 05 20:12:11 http://tavifont.googlepages.com/links_1.00pre17-1_armel.deb Jul 05 20:12:23 stupid cut and paste Jul 05 20:12:50 haha, sopwith Jul 05 20:12:55 pupnik.de/dosbox_maemo_065_001.tgz Jul 05 20:13:21 coming up... Jul 05 20:13:24 i spend a few days with dosbox 7 but it has many problems Jul 05 20:17:00 milhouse: refresh that web page. I've addressed all of your questions there, including the need to number the steps... Jul 05 20:17:13 trevarthan - can i use a2dp while also maintaining a wifi/ssh connection? Jul 05 20:17:33 what's "Internet Connection Disabled" supposed to mean? :/ Jul 05 20:17:51 milhouse: The answer is sometimes. If you experience skipping, try turning off your wifi radio. It causes problems sometimes. Jul 05 20:18:07 ok... Jul 05 20:18:21 nokipup: it wants libSDL_net-1.2.so.0 Jul 05 20:18:36 oops let me find that Jul 05 20:19:01 milhouse: I have a Motorola s9 headset, and it can be quirky. It skips a lot when paired with my n800 and my motorola phone, for example. So I have to make sure it's only paired with one device at a time. Jul 05 20:19:39 http://pupnik.de/libsdl-net1.2-dev_1.2.5-7_armel.deb Jul 05 20:20:19 Also, a2dpd + mplayer uses more CPU than the normal way, so make sure you aren't running the meta-layer scanner, or canola-conf, or any other process that hogs 100% CPU while you're trying to listen to music. That'll cause skipping too. Jul 05 20:21:02 trevarthan: canola-conf sleeps while it's not scanning new media Jul 05 20:21:20 trevarthan: and it just scan for new media if you open/close the mmc lid Jul 05 20:21:45 trevarthan: mplayer says "File not found 'alsa:device=a2dpd2'" Jul 05 20:21:52 ah Jul 05 20:21:56 my bad, missed -a0 Jul 05 20:21:58 -ao Jul 05 20:22:32 k-s[WORK]: it also scans at startup. He just rebooted, so I thought the warning appropriate. Jul 05 20:23:01 nokipup: it isn't there. Jul 05 20:24:28 ok jpt9 i have to go down to the server - need about 10 minutes Jul 05 20:24:35 okay. Jul 05 20:25:09 milhouse: got it working yet? Jul 05 20:25:17 no, having a few problems Jul 05 20:25:24 mplayer doesn't seem to want to play it Jul 05 20:25:27 just rebooting Jul 05 20:25:41 it being an mp3 file Jul 05 20:25:45 rebooting? Jul 05 20:25:52 the device, or mplayer? Jul 05 20:26:11 yeah, i had ther a2dpd daemon running in a ssh window over wifi and it seemed to get zombied Jul 05 20:26:15 what repo is canola on? Jul 05 20:26:18 when i knocked the wifi connection on the head Jul 05 20:26:37 rhys: our own, see http://openbossa.indt.org/canola/ Jul 05 20:26:53 you can't kill a2dpd? Jul 05 20:27:01 whats a2dpd? Jul 05 20:27:25 I put Skype on my N800! Take a look at the top image on tabletblog.com! Jul 05 20:27:31 * thoughtfix ducks to prevent being pelted by vegetables. Jul 05 20:27:33 rhys: it's a daemon that transcodes PCM audio into SBC audio on the fly and sends it to a stereo bluetooth headset. Jul 05 20:28:15 thoughtfix: the firmware was finally released ? Jul 05 20:28:16 milhouse: zombie a2dpd is a common problem for me. Usually it happens after a couple of start/stop cycles though. Jul 05 20:28:19 ah Jul 05 20:28:43 MoRpHeUz: I photoshopped the Skype logo into my N800's face, hence ducking to prevent being pelted by vegetables Jul 05 20:28:55 thoughtfix: just saw that hehe Jul 05 20:28:57 =P Jul 05 20:29:19 thoughtfix: have I ever told that I hate you ? (for just 5s but I hated you hahahaha) Jul 05 20:29:29 trevarthan - a2dp seems to be looping with the message "avrcp_handle_message: AVRCP Receive failed" Jul 05 20:30:58 milhouse: check and make sure that your ~/.a2dprc is ok. You should have a line that looks like: address=00:0D:FD:15:52:1D Jul 05 20:32:07 also, make sure the headset and the n800 are paired properly. You should see the heaset when you click on the bluetooth icon in the taskbar. Jul 05 20:32:29 Something like "Disconnect Motorola s9" Jul 05 20:32:34 Morpheuz: It's not the first time I did a hoax: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1nS9kOtA7A Jul 05 20:32:45 I even put "hoax" in the video's tags and people still took it seriously. Jul 05 20:34:45 milhouse: If you're expecting a2dpd to stop or go into the background, it won't. You have to leave it running or run it like `a2dpd &` to force it into the background. Jul 05 20:36:03 sorry if that sounded condescending. I'm not sure what your level of proficiency is with linux... Jul 05 20:37:03 trevarthan - sorry for the delay, using the virtual keyboard in xterm is very tedious :) Jul 05 20:37:32 indeed. that's why I wrote my version of ukmp. it's a pain in the rear. Jul 05 20:37:34 yeah i put a2dpd in the backgroun, i'd forgotten to uncomment the bt address (had done it, then stuffed up the edit and quit and forget to uncomment it) Jul 05 20:37:50 so now it's uncommented, and a2dpd appears to behaving a bit better Jul 05 20:37:57 but Jul 05 20:38:17 mplayer bombs Jul 05 20:38:26 what does it say? Jul 05 20:38:38 hang on, transcribing... :) Jul 05 20:39:00 thoughtfix: hahaha =) Jul 05 20:39:26 is taking out the battery the only way to do a hard reset? Jul 05 20:40:16 jpt9: try.. http://ln-s.net/O2M though i don't remember why it's libsdlnet-dev Jul 05 20:40:45 here it comes... Jul 05 20:40:48 alsa-lib: conf.c:1592:(snd_config_load1) _toplevel_:6:0:Unexpected end of file Jul 05 20:40:48 alsa-lib: conf.c:2837:(snd_config_hook_load) /home/user/.asoundrc may be old or corrupted: consider to remove or fix it Jul 05 20:40:48 alsa-lib: conf.c:2700:(snd_config_hooks_call) function snd_config_hook_load returned error: Invalid argument Jul 05 20:40:48 alsa-lib: conf.c:3066:(snd_config_update_r) hooks failed, removing configuration Jul 05 20:40:48 alsa-init: cannot read ALSA configuration: Invalid argument Jul 05 20:40:49 Could not open/initialize audio device -> no sound. Jul 05 20:41:11 oh... now i should double check .asoundrc... doh Jul 05 20:41:26 .asoundrc looks ok Jul 05 20:41:50 :) what does it look like? I think I know already, but go ahead and paste it. Jul 05 20:42:36 it says "Unable to install. Incompatible application package." Jul 05 20:42:41 (i'm running 2007HE) Jul 05 20:43:07 don't laugh Jul 05 20:43:08 cat > ~/.asoundrc < pcm.a2dpd2 { Jul 05 20:43:08 type a2dpd Jul 05 20:43:08 } Jul 05 20:43:08 EOTXT Jul 05 20:43:12 :) Jul 05 20:43:13 I should have run that, right? Jul 05 20:43:39 no, that should have been pasted directly into the xterm. It's called a HEREDOC, and it makes a file that looks like this: Jul 05 20:43:40 so .asoundrc just needs to be Jul 05 20:43:42 pcm.a2dpd2 { Jul 05 20:43:44 type a2dpd Jul 05 20:43:47 } Jul 05 20:44:04 jpt9: yeah there are a few packages i install with dpkg -i because of that Jul 05 20:44:10 yes, so do i have it correct or do i need the one above? Jul 05 20:44:18 ie. just the pcm part? Jul 05 20:44:55 milhouse: You saw my Jabra BT8010 review? Jul 05 20:45:00 You need the 3 line version instead of the 5 line version. The 5 line version creates the 3 line version automatically if you paste it into the shell window, but if you're editing the file by hand then you need to paste the 3 line version. Jul 05 20:45:09 thoughtfix - not yet Jul 05 20:45:21 It's about 3/4 down the page on ultramobilegeek.com Jul 05 20:45:21 trevarthan - let me cut it down to size Jul 05 20:45:27 before my battery runs out :) Jul 05 20:45:32 Sorry. :) I'm entirely too clever for my own good. I shouldn't have tried to make it that easy. Jul 05 20:45:45 It'd be sweeeeet with the N800, especially if the N800 eventually can switch between stereo headset and handsfree profiles. Jul 05 20:46:19 i'll take a look but i already had a bt headset thingy - SE DS970 Jul 05 20:46:42 thoughtfix: have you been following our a2dp discussion? I think I could adapt my technique to support SCO audio (mono bt headsets) Jul 05 20:47:04 here goes... Jul 05 20:47:11 trevarthan: I've been writing about mostly consumer experience more than hacks lately - it gets more new users and readers Jul 05 20:47:20 yay! Jul 05 20:47:22 trevarthan: I will get back into hacks after the new firmware and a couple editorials. Jul 05 20:47:24 how cool is that?? Jul 05 20:47:33 that is very cool!!! Jul 05 20:47:40 trevarthan++ Jul 05 20:47:41 trevarthan++ Jul 05 20:47:41 trevarthan++ Jul 05 20:47:41 deb http://www.gustavobarbieri.com.br/e17-n800 bora free Jul 05 20:47:45 :) glad it worked. Any skipping? Jul 05 20:47:45 does IT 2006 == Maemo 2.2? Jul 05 20:47:46 now I provide that demo Jul 05 20:47:48 bit toppy but very good! Jul 05 20:47:52 not so far Jul 05 20:48:02 apt-get install python-efl-core-demo Jul 05 20:48:04 :-) Jul 05 20:48:08 and i've got wifi, ssh and top running on a PC Jul 05 20:48:50 a2dpd is consiming about... hmmm... 30% - 5% in what looks like 5 or 6 processes Jul 05 20:48:56 and mplayer about 20% Jul 05 20:48:58 milhouse: ok. now to tune it. Best thing you can do is bump up the bandwidth for better audio quality. edit ~/.a2dprc and change this line: sbcbitpool=53 Jul 05 20:49:21 oh dear that was hurting my ears Jul 05 20:49:25 ok, trying that change now Jul 05 20:49:50 milhouse: I think it defaults to 32, which is really tinny audio. set it to 53, stop mplayer, restart a2dpd, then start mplayer again. You won't regret it. Jul 05 20:50:42 that's not quite so harsh, but still lacking depth Jul 05 20:51:05 oh hang on, missed your last instruction - didn't restart a2dpd Jul 05 20:51:29 jpt9 http://rapidshare.com/files/41234729/libsdl-net1.2_1.2.5-7_armel.deb.html Jul 05 20:51:33 oh geez Jul 05 20:52:20 that's got a bit more depth to it, but still quite tinny Jul 05 20:52:25 definate improvement Jul 05 20:52:57 i had found a2dpd looping like crazy again which explains the 5 processes i saw earlier Jul 05 20:53:09 What do you use those headphones with normally? Is the sound quality comparable? Jul 05 20:53:19 W950i - Walkman phone Jul 05 20:53:41 I bought my s9 headset specifically for my n800, so I've got no reference. It's not as good as wired headphones, but it's good enough. Jul 05 20:54:31 it's good, don't get me wrong... it's probably a personal preference Jul 05 20:54:36 milhouse: oh, that's a sweet phone. Jul 05 20:54:55 so it's better quality with the w950i? Jul 05 20:55:20 i actually could get used to this - had the 'phones not quite jammed all the way into my ears and now i've pushed them all the way in the sound has improved Jul 05 20:55:36 the sound is pretty damned good fella!! Jul 05 20:55:44 :) Jul 05 20:55:47 right, where's this gui? Jul 05 20:56:00 you got python 2.5 installed? Jul 05 20:56:13 certainly the N800 has plenty of horsepower for this kind of thing Jul 05 20:56:20 at least music, not sure about video as well Jul 05 20:56:39 http://www.guardiani.us/ukmp-dev-20070705.tar.gz Jul 05 20:57:19 got that installed, running it now... Jul 05 20:57:20 the 770 headphone jack is a bit noisy for my tastes Jul 05 20:57:51 ukmp-scanner.py takes a while. But you don't have to run it every time. Just when your music collection changes. Jul 05 20:57:58 hey yeah, that all works Jul 05 20:58:28 Tap the bluetooth icon to switch on a2dp mode, then just select a song and off you go. Jul 05 20:58:41 never used the interface before so took me a few secs to work it out but i clicked a few random buttons and now i've got more music streaming over bt - nice Jul 05 20:59:08 how long till a deb? :) Jul 05 20:59:23 i'd definately use my n800 in preference to the w950 if i had this Jul 05 20:59:27 Yeah, big work in progress. I've put two hard weeks of dev into it. I'll probably put two more in before it's done, but I hope to release a deb end of this week or mid next. Jul 05 20:59:59 forward/backward on my headset seems to confuse it - it's just stopped playing Jul 05 21:00:09 Big fat warning: Your n800 will probably lock up from time to time when using a2dp. I'm not sure why yet. Has something to do with a2dpd. Jul 05 21:00:29 milhouse: you have to do an extra step to get forward/back and pause working on the headset: Jul 05 21:00:45 edit ~/.a2dprc and change these lines to something like this: Jul 05 21:00:54 # Jul 05 21:00:54 # AVRCP Commands to run Jul 05 21:00:54 # If these entries are emptied, then some keyboard entry will be sent to /dev/uinput Jul 05 21:00:57 # Jul 05 21:00:59 cmdplay=/home/user/ukmp/ukmp.py -remote pause Jul 05 21:01:02 cmdpause=/home/user/ukmp/ukmp.py -remote pause Jul 05 21:01:04 cmdprev=/home/user/ukmp/ukmp.py -remote prev Jul 05 21:01:07 cmdnext=/home/user/ukmp/ukmp.py -remote next Jul 05 21:01:09 cmdnew=/home/user/ukmp/ukmp.py -remote pause Jul 05 21:01:12 cmdstop=/home/user/ukmp/ukmp.py -remote stop Jul 05 21:01:19 replace the /home/user/ukmp part with wherever you extracted the tar.gz to. Jul 05 21:02:22 After that, restart ukmp and it should work, but it takes up to 10 seconds for the key press to take effect. I have no idea why currently. I'll look into it when I have time. Just press it an be patient. Jul 05 21:04:00 I'm also going to be modifying the spiny selector widget thingy to be more iphone like (tap to stop spinning, then tap again to select anything on the screen). I'll be doing that sometime this weekend. The black horizontal selector bars will go away. Jul 05 21:07:56 yeah that worked - took almost a minute though! :) Jul 05 21:08:13 maybe I won't be giving up my W950i just yet ;) Jul 05 21:10:47 You can always use the directional pad on the n800 to change songs. left and right. It's a bit faster. Jul 05 21:10:56 one things for sure the N800 has a _much_ strong bluetooth transmitter than the W950i - the N800 keeps on going over double the distance of the W950i Jul 05 21:11:03 s/strong/stronger/ Jul 05 21:11:03 milhouse meant: one things for sure the N800 has a _much_ stronger bluetooth transmitter than the W950i - the N800 keeps on going over double the distance of the W950i Jul 05 21:12:24 I actually get really annoyed with a2dp sometimes. I take a short run in the evenings, and it'll get choppy around certain buildings. oddest thing. It works great in my office though. Jul 05 21:12:32 A2DP is working here http://www.guardiani.us/index.php/N800_custom_packages#Bluetooth_ALSA and is good. :) Jul 05 21:12:34 A2DP? Jul 05 21:12:35 <_Monkey> somebody said A2DP was what Jul 05 21:12:40 hmmm Jul 05 21:13:03 _monkey forget A2DP Jul 05 21:13:04 <_Monkey> milhouse: I forgot a2dp Jul 05 21:13:21 A2DP is working here http://www.guardiani.us/index.php/N800_custom_packages#Bluetooth_ALSA \and is good. :) Jul 05 21:13:25 A2DP? Jul 05 21:13:26 <_Monkey> it has been said that A2DP is working here http://www.guardiani.us/index.php/N800_custom_packages#Bluetooth_ALSA and is good. :) Jul 05 21:13:45 that's cool. :) Jul 05 21:14:01 should help out when nobody is around to answer :) Jul 05 21:15:16 Hey, I don't have a video camera. I'd love to get a video of ukmp with a2dp out there so people who are install shy know what to expect. If anyone wants to make a video for me, that would be excellent. :) Jul 05 21:16:14 unfortunately i don't have a video.. and no camera on the w950i (good and bad in equal measures) Jul 05 21:16:26 what about screenshots? Jul 05 21:16:41 oh, or you mean a youtube kind of thing? Jul 05 21:18:28 Like this: http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/2007/06/ukmp-12.html (konttori is the original ukmp developer) Jul 05 21:18:31 anyway, I gotta get back to work. Thanks for testing it out milhouse. If you have any questions, just send me a private message here on IRC. I'm always on during 9AM-5PM EDT. Jul 05 21:19:07 milhouse: I can take a screenshot. I'm just not at that point yet. I'll do that when I release a .deb. Jul 05 21:19:30 Older but better screenshot: http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/2007/06/ukmp-11.html Jul 05 21:19:34 the gui seems pretty easy to work out... i managed it so it can't be that hard. Jul 05 21:20:14 many thanks trvarthan - it's looking really good, cheers Jul 05 21:20:27 s/trvarthan/trevarthan/ Jul 05 21:20:27 milhouse meant: many thanks trevarthan - it's looking really good, cheers Jul 05 21:20:32 See ya later. :) Jul 05 21:20:35 cya Jul 05 21:20:42 trevarthan: would be cool if you coulb put screenshots Jul 05 21:20:47 of your version that is Jul 05 21:21:19 konttori: I will. I promise. Hopefully I'll get around to that this weekend. We'll see though. Got family and stuff coming in from out of town. Jul 05 21:21:40 great. have a good weekend! no. have a great weekend! Jul 05 21:22:02 you too! (even though it's Thursday..) :) Jul 05 21:22:19 Oh yeah. I'll be starting weekend tomorrow Jul 05 21:22:30 lucky lucky. Jul 05 21:22:46 hell Jul 05 21:22:52 s/hell/hello Jul 05 21:23:10 how the feck does that bot work milhouse Jul 05 21:23:11 infobot insists on that trailing slash Jul 05 21:23:12 lol Jul 05 21:23:31 s/hell/hello/ Jul 05 21:24:05 and it only applies to your last post :) Jul 05 21:24:10 ok Jul 05 21:24:14 do Jul 05 21:24:15 so Jul 05 21:24:23 hell milhouse Jul 05 21:24:32 s/hell/hello Jul 05 21:24:36 lol Jul 05 21:24:39 forgot the / Jul 05 21:24:40 lol Jul 05 21:24:48 hell milhouse Jul 05 21:24:54 s/hell/hello/ Jul 05 21:24:54 unique311 meant: hello milhouse Jul 05 21:24:58 nice Jul 05 21:24:59 yay Jul 05 21:25:04 i like Jul 05 21:25:07 now teach _monkey some tricks Jul 05 21:25:20 itt? Jul 05 21:25:20 <_Monkey> itt is http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums Jul 05 21:25:40 reflashing Jul 05 21:25:41 <_Monkey> Reflashing will reset your devices memory to factory default and wipe your home directory - use backup so that you can restore your data to the new firmware Jul 05 21:25:51 MIT? Jul 05 21:26:04 firmare Jul 05 21:26:11 firmware? Jul 05 21:26:11 <_Monkey> firmware is 770 (http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_770.php) or N800 (http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N800.php) or Flasher binaries (http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/d3.php) Jul 05 21:26:12 monkey doesn't acknowledge moi Jul 05 21:26:13 badmonkey is a _Monkey that gets no biscuit! Jul 05 21:26:17 badmonkey? Jul 05 21:26:17 <_Monkey> badmonkey is a _Monkey that gets no biscuit! Jul 05 21:26:21 he doesn't know what MIT is Jul 05 21:26:33 alcohol Jul 05 21:26:35 alcohol? Jul 05 21:26:37 that's fun. Jul 05 21:26:46 i thought it was evil... hmmm Jul 05 21:26:54 guess it's not Jul 05 21:29:26 garage? Jul 05 21:29:40 what topics does it know? Jul 05 21:29:45 whatever you teach it Jul 05 21:29:49 infobot guide? Jul 05 21:29:50 <_Monkey> infobot guide is probably http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~infobot/infobot_guide.html Jul 05 21:29:50 i guess guide is at http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~infobot/infobot_guide.html Jul 05 21:29:50 ...but guide is already something else... Jul 05 21:30:28 anything less than 8 characters will need a question mark to get monkey to respond Jul 05 21:30:41 ie. badmonkey will elicit a response, while garage won't Jul 05 21:30:44 badmonkey Jul 05 21:30:45 <_Monkey> badmonkey is a _Monkey that gets no biscuit! Jul 05 21:30:55 got it Jul 05 21:31:39 garage is https://garage.maemo.org Jul 05 21:31:49 garage also is somewhere you park you car Jul 05 21:31:52 garage? Jul 05 21:31:53 <_Monkey> garage is https://garage.maemo.org Jul 05 21:32:02 garage is. Jul 05 21:32:23 garage is also somewhere you park your car. Jul 05 21:32:23 <_Monkey> okay, milhouse. Jul 05 21:32:26 garage? Jul 05 21:32:26 <_Monkey> somebody said garage was https://garage.maemo.org or somewhere you park my car. Jul 05 21:32:34 hah Jul 05 21:32:34 my car Jul 05 21:32:39 bugger! Jul 05 21:32:41 libsdl-net is http://rapidshare.com/files/41234729/libsdl-net1.2_1.2.5-7_armel.deb.html Jul 05 21:32:45 need to remember to escape some thing Jul 05 21:32:52 forget garage Jul 05 21:32:53 <_Monkey> milhouse: I forgot garage Jul 05 21:32:54 dude, where's my car Jul 05 21:32:59 garage is https://garage.maemo.org Jul 05 21:33:19 garage is also some where \you may park your car. Jul 05 21:33:19 <_Monkey> okay, milhouse. Jul 05 21:33:22 garage? Jul 05 21:33:23 <_Monkey> i think garage is https://garage.maemo.org or some where you may park my car. Jul 05 21:33:29 argh Jul 05 21:33:34 forget garage Jul 05 21:33:35 <_Monkey> milhouse: I forgot garage Jul 05 21:33:37 garage is https://garage.maemo.org Jul 05 21:33:41 garage is also some where \you may park \your car. Jul 05 21:33:41 <_Monkey> okay, milhouse. Jul 05 21:33:43 garage? Jul 05 21:33:43 <_Monkey> garage is https://garage.maemo.org or some where you may park your car. Jul 05 21:33:45 done Jul 05 21:33:45 * thoughtfix wanders back Jul 05 21:34:46 angry is what happens to _Monkey when $who drinks all the milk and eats the biscuits Jul 05 21:34:49 angry? Jul 05 21:34:49 <_Monkey> angry is probably what happens to _Monkey when milhouse drinks all the milk and eats the biscuits Jul 05 21:34:52 thoughtfix is the most popular tablet blogger http://tabletblog.com/ Jul 05 21:36:22 Heh. Thanks :D Jul 05 21:36:43 thoughtfix Jul 05 21:36:43 <_Monkey> it has been said that thoughtfix is reloading the firmware repository every 4 hours or so. Jul 05 21:36:49 hahahaha Jul 05 21:36:51 I am Jul 05 21:36:57 Ari is some bloke who works at Nokia, http://jaaksi.blogspot.com Jul 05 21:37:03 Ari is more than that Jul 05 21:37:08 joke :) Jul 05 21:37:09 He's the Director of Open Source Operations Jul 05 21:37:12 hahaha Jul 05 21:37:21 Ari? Jul 05 21:37:22 <_Monkey> i heard Ari was some bloke who works at Nokia, http://jaaksi.blogspot.com Jul 05 21:37:30 see? Jul 05 21:37:40 I think it works :) Jul 05 21:38:06 you can add "is also" and it should append it Jul 05 21:38:13 Ari and Sari are pretty cool. Had some drinks with them at the press reception at CES Jul 05 21:38:26 Who's Sari? Jul 05 21:38:29 you name dropper, you Jul 05 21:38:31 Hehehe Jul 05 21:38:59 Do you remember her title? Jul 05 21:39:24 hey thoughtfix: did you have a test run of the uktube 0.6? Jul 05 21:39:35 I have her card at home... um Jul 05 21:39:39 konttori: Not yet Jul 05 21:39:46 ari and sari? Jul 05 21:39:46 konttori: Later tonight perhaps Jul 05 21:39:47 <_Monkey> ari and sari are pretty cool. Had some drinks with them at the press reception at CES Jul 05 21:39:51 streaming youtube... streaming youtube.... worth the test! Jul 05 21:40:02 oooh, you need to be careful what you tell _Monkey! Jul 05 21:40:09 Oh ... Her title is "Communications Manager" Jul 05 21:40:16 ahh... cool. Jul 05 21:44:51 i'm still dead chuffed that i'm listening to my n800 on BT headphones :) Jul 05 21:45:11 i would post in ITT but don't want everyone to be on trevarthans case wanting a finished product :) Jul 05 21:46:30 Make a .deb out of it and I'll be happy :D Jul 05 21:46:48 if only i knew how :( Jul 05 21:47:07 my ghouliani mashup: Giuliani as Dr. Evil from Austin Powers :) http://ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=5650 Jul 05 21:47:23 to be honest it's not that hard to get working from the instructions on trevarthans site - I rushed a bit and didn't read all of it (same old same old) Jul 05 21:47:53 konttori: got a direct .deb link for the latest uktube (so I can download it direct from x-chat on n800) ? Jul 05 21:48:03 ukmp? Jul 05 21:48:03 <_Monkey> well, ukmp is a Media Player, available for download at http://maemo.org/downloads/product/ukmp Jul 05 21:48:22 ah, it's just part of ukmp now? Jul 05 21:48:33 i think so - i was looking at it today and wasn't entirely sure Jul 05 21:48:47 i could only find a link for ukmp in a blog entry discussing both Jul 05 21:48:58 https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/1693/UKMP-1.4-uktube0.6beta2.deb Jul 05 21:49:03 thx Jul 05 21:49:23 :( Jul 05 21:49:26 my taring died Jul 05 21:50:30 isn't it possible that next firmware has support for bluetooth headsets? Jul 05 21:50:37 yeah, uktube and ukmp go hand in hand at the moment. They are together until I get mplayer to output -vo jpeg. Jul 05 21:51:00 I think it's pretty likely that next firmware will have bt headset support Jul 05 21:51:03 at least mone Jul 05 21:51:04 mono Jul 05 21:51:13 night! Jul 05 21:51:24 rwithby: do you have mplayer and python installed? Jul 05 21:51:36 solmumaha: always a possibility, but doesn't seem likely. if it does appear, then i imagine developers would be quite p!ssed off - the lack of any real information about future updates can and does lead to duplicated nokia and community development Jul 05 21:51:40 rwitby: sorry for misspelling your name Jul 05 21:51:49 konttori: deleting two files in a row does not bring the next one into the selection box Jul 05 21:52:16 hmm... at least deleting one will bring the next. Hmm.. odd. Jul 05 21:52:31 I'll have a test tomorrow, but last time I checked, it worked. Jul 05 21:52:35 yep, one works fine. Jul 05 21:52:46 ahh... I never tested it with two. Jul 05 21:52:53 well they do have some issues with communication it seems Jul 05 21:53:00 oops, now it shows none in the selection drop-down Jul 05 21:53:02 Odd.. I would assume same logic. Jul 05 21:53:15 rwitby: a BUG!!! Jul 05 21:53:23 I'll fix it tomorrow. Jul 05 21:53:39 konttori: all software has bugs - it's just a matter of finding them :-) Jul 05 21:53:50 so no two-in-a-row deletions until it's fixed ;) Jul 05 21:53:59 yeah. Jul 05 21:54:02 i find it quite poor that in a supposedly open source project nobody outside Nokia has any real understanding of what will be in the next firmware (just days away) apart from Skye, which may actually be nothing to do with the firmware at all. Jul 05 21:54:13 s/Skye/Skype/ Jul 05 21:54:14 milhouse meant: i find it quite poor that in a supposedly open source project nobody outside Nokia has any real understanding of what will be in the next firmware (just days away) apart from Skype, which may actually be nothing to do with the firmware at all. Jul 05 21:54:49 konttori: can uktube be used to play other media files (and just pass them straight to mplayer)? Jul 05 21:54:50 a few days away? Jul 05 21:55:01 and judging from itt, not even ppl inside know Jul 05 21:55:01 doh! Jul 05 21:55:14 rhys: maybe, possibly... nobody knows for sure (another "communication" issue!!) Jul 05 21:55:39 does that mean me working on moving my whole FS onto the internal card is useless? Jul 05 21:55:58 and giving false dates is a lot more annoying than complete silence imo :) Jul 05 21:56:19 i'm pretty sure there will be a new firmware in July... Fridays are a favourite day for releases Jul 05 21:57:01 solmumaha - i said as much in the mailing list, it's like a train that's delayed Jul 05 21:57:48 you can have everyone standing around on the platform getting steadily frustrated, or a quick announcement informing everyone it's running 5 minutes late and suddenly everyone is cool again. Jul 05 21:58:29 to be fair to nokia though, they never actually announced a date for the firmware in the first place Jul 05 21:58:44 im just thinking.. my taring died Jul 05 21:58:51 yes, but some of their "employees" have Jul 05 21:58:57 they stated Skype would appear "during H1" which most people took to mean new firmware by the end of H1 at the latest Jul 05 21:59:08 my ext2 fs im putting it on is ~500mb Jul 05 21:59:08 is that enough for the entire uncompressed fs? Jul 05 21:59:14 i've not seen firm dates from anyone, only speculation Jul 05 21:59:25 rhys: yes, plenty Jul 05 22:00:38 i have 2 grandcentral invites to give out....anybody? Jul 05 22:00:58 only if you include a flight from London to NYC as well :) Jul 05 22:01:03 well one did say thursday without a doubt Jul 05 22:01:12 NYC to london for me.. Jul 05 22:01:24 tired of NYC Jul 05 22:01:52 did you see the new NORML posters around NYC unique311 ? Jul 05 22:02:31 heading to manhattan on saturday...i'll let you know. Jul 05 22:03:02 they have a picture of Bloomberg saying something like "I tried it ... and enjoyed it!" Jul 05 22:03:06 so, someone mentioned a transcoding upnp server for linux or was i mistaken? Jul 05 22:03:19 kk ythen. it mustve just died Jul 05 22:03:23 maybe mythtv can do it Jul 05 22:03:31 milhouse, whats grandcentral? Jul 05 22:04:26 pupnik that stuff is not good for your braincells......................... Jul 05 22:05:08 Damn day job distracting me from IRC Jul 05 22:05:11 grandcemtral is a US phone company recently acquired by Google Jul 05 22:05:33 yes Jul 05 22:05:49 how do you send ctrl+c to osso-xterm? Jul 05 22:05:50 not sure but i guess if you have a google account..you can sign up Jul 05 22:05:54 sorry - not a phone company, a "communications" company Jul 05 22:06:26 one feature i like...i can set it to ring to my house phone...and answer if i like or let it go to the voicemail... Jul 05 22:06:26 ph Jul 05 22:06:41 they provide you with a voicemail number... Jul 05 22:06:42 found it Jul 05 22:06:43 rhys - pull up the application menu and i think it's on tools Jul 05 22:06:46 k Jul 05 22:06:50 milhouse, that does what? i have a google account Jul 05 22:07:17 i dunno, i guess it's a first step before The Google Phone(tm) Jul 05 22:07:26 maybe Jul 05 22:07:43 heard of google 411? Jul 05 22:07:44 but it looks like its invite right now.. Jul 05 22:07:54 Hmm Jul 05 22:07:55 Google Phone Jul 05 22:07:59 milhouse, you can send me one Jul 05 22:08:06 i don't have them :) Jul 05 22:08:08 Hope it's quadband, carrier unlocked, and dual 3G radios Jul 05 22:08:14 rhys.rhaven (at) gmail :) Jul 05 22:08:17 uniqueu311 has the invites :) Jul 05 22:08:17 Otherwise, it's Evil Jul 05 22:08:33 thoughtfix: plus wifi and gps! Jul 05 22:08:35 nokipup: hey. it's me again. Jul 05 22:08:45 nokipup: sdl wants superuser privileges to install. Jul 05 22:08:53 Hahahaha Jul 05 22:09:06 heck, call it a Nokia N95! Jul 05 22:09:08 rhys check and see if google is offering sign ups.... Jul 05 22:09:17 Yes. The google phone needs to be at least 2 pounds to pack in enough features and compatibility to keep the "Don't Be Evil" Jul 05 22:09:18 im looking Jul 05 22:09:26 if not. send me your email address and i'll send you an invite Jul 05 22:09:46 first of all, is there a way to just install the one file dosbox needs separately? if there isn't, what would be the best way of installing the entire sdl package? Jul 05 22:10:08 libsdl-net? Jul 05 22:10:09 <_Monkey> i guess libsdl-net is http://rapidshare.com/files/41234729/libsdl-net1.2_1.2.5-7_armel.deb.html Jul 05 22:10:15 yeah. Jul 05 22:10:29 so this grandcentral outfit seem to be voip based? Jul 05 22:10:42 google scares me.. Jul 05 22:11:17 not yet.. Jul 05 22:11:31 ah no, it seems to be about agregating voicemail boxes Jul 05 22:11:32 it just offers you a number for voicemail.. Jul 05 22:11:44 you cannot make calls or get call Jul 05 22:12:09 well actually you can get calls. Jul 05 22:12:10 right, and aggregating them if you have many voicemail boxes (eg. cell/mobile phone, work phone, blackberry) Jul 05 22:12:16 not sure how it works. Jul 05 22:12:43 i wish gmail would provide imap Jul 05 22:12:48 i just read their company history and their founders seminal moment when getting off a plane... http://www.grandcentral.com/about/history/ Jul 05 22:13:14 but you provided them with your work, house, or cell number, and when someone calls the voicemail number it forwards to the house, work or cell phone # Jul 05 22:13:19 pupnik: any ideas? Jul 05 22:13:40 jpt9: download that and install with dpkg -i libsdl-net1.2_1.2.5-7_armel.deb Jul 05 22:14:52 rhys sent Jul 05 22:15:35 is that the same one as before? Jul 05 22:15:45 now that i have the nokia, im gonna need imap. which unfortunatly i cant set up my own server untill i have highspeed at college.. Jul 05 22:15:50 and an external IP Jul 05 22:15:54 daniel - your skype blog is now on planet maemo, i'm not sure how well that's going to go down! ;) Jul 05 22:17:23 because it's saying "dpkg: requested operation requires superuser privilege" Jul 05 22:17:29 and will it work with the onscreen kbd? Jul 05 22:17:44 jpt9 - are you root? Jul 05 22:17:45 yes and yes Jul 05 22:17:47 you need root Jul 05 22:17:48 no. Jul 05 22:17:50 oh. Jul 05 22:17:56 root == superuser Jul 05 22:17:57 can't that possibly screw it up? Jul 05 22:18:19 if you make a mistake, yes Jul 05 22:18:30 but as long as you're careful you should be ok Jul 05 22:18:46 worst you can do is screw it up so bad you need to reflash it Jul 05 22:18:54 are you sure? Jul 05 22:19:00 yep Jul 05 22:19:34 is there any way to temporarily enable root? I know about su and sudo, but you have to actually *enable* root on the 770... Jul 05 22:19:41 so is there any way to temporarily enable it? Jul 05 22:19:55 you can become root while you install dpkg Jul 05 22:19:59 sorry, run dpk Jul 05 22:20:02 install becomeroot Jul 05 22:20:25 then run "sudo gainroot" to become root, run dpkg then type "exit" to drop back to the normal non privileged user Jul 05 22:20:35 what does installing becomeroot do? Jul 05 22:21:06 it modifies the gainroot script to allow you become the root user without setting the R&D device flags Jul 05 22:21:09 it's safe Jul 05 22:21:21 doesn't seem to be in bora Jul 05 22:21:29 i have to ssh into the device for root right now Jul 05 22:21:38 the other option is to enable the R&D device flags using the flasher utility Jul 05 22:21:41 then what's up with this message on the developer's page: WARNING: This packages could brick the device (by touching /usr/sbin/gainroot). DO THIS AT YOUR OWN RISK. Jul 05 22:21:43 pupnik: it's a third party deb Jul 05 22:21:44 Yes... download and install a package called becomeroot Jul 05 22:21:49 pupnik - that's the other option Jul 05 22:21:59 if i uninstall it, will it be the same as before? Jul 05 22:22:03 works fine so eh.. Jul 05 22:22:28 jpt9 - that i don't know as i don't use becomeroot (i leave the R&D flags enabled) but it will do no harm if you leave it enabled Jul 05 22:22:33 oh. Jul 05 22:22:47 pupnik: SSH is a massive overhead for the N800's tiny little processor though Jul 05 22:22:47 does dosbox work with the onscreen keyboard? Jul 05 22:23:09 nope Jul 05 22:23:13 oh. Jul 05 22:23:20 in that case there's no point in me installing it. Jul 05 22:23:24 i don't have a BT keyboard :-( Jul 05 22:24:24 anyone know of a cheap BT keyboard? Jul 05 22:24:37 preferably something small (laptop-style; doesn't need to be folding). Jul 05 22:25:16 nokia makes one. i use the thinkoutside stowaway BT Jul 05 22:25:50 ah. Jul 05 22:25:55 how much are they? Jul 05 22:25:57 http://betoni.aivo.com/betoni58.mp3 stream: beautiful mellow IDM (electronica) Jul 05 22:26:12 I paid $130 for my 770, so most of the keyboards cost almost as much as the device itself :-) Jul 05 22:26:18 i got a stowaway too.. i'd much prefer the version that has the numbers row Jul 05 22:26:19 i paid about 100 euro - cheaper in USA Jul 05 22:27:05 Heh. Comment I just got on my N800 Internet Calling video: The only thing that can compete with the iPhone Jul 05 22:27:12 bt devices aren't usually cheap except for the dongle itself Jul 05 22:27:53 thoughtfix - not really sure that's true but nice all the same :) Jul 05 22:28:22 I have both the Stowaway and the Mini Stowaway. The bigger Stowaway is MUCH nicer, but also much bigger Jul 05 22:28:50 most hc iphone fanboys don't seem to know jacques schitt about whats on the market Jul 05 22:28:56 i'd like the stowaway sierra Jul 05 22:29:04 * Jaffa looks forward to the theoretical paradigm shift in Maemo software which'll let it *really* compete with the iPhone as an end-user device. Jul 05 22:29:33 Jaffa: let's remove package management. it's confusing Jul 05 22:29:54 http://tabletblog.com/2007/05/stowaway-sierra-bluetooth-folding.html Jul 05 22:29:56 and those third party applications, what a nightmare ;) Jul 05 22:30:00 * Jaffa looks forward to having proper package management then... Jul 05 22:30:27 milhouse: you know as well as I do that probably 50% (if not more) of N800 users never install any other software. Jul 05 22:30:53 well if Skype is a third party download that could change Jul 05 22:31:23 I dare say you are correct at the moment, but that could easily change Jul 05 22:31:41 Maybe. Active communities have a tendency to overestimate their numbers and the interest that inactive users have in the topic. Jul 05 22:31:55 if the iPhone had a 3G connection, supported Bluetooth DUN and Bluetooth A2DP profiles, I would've purchased it. Jul 05 22:32:11 (IME) Jul 05 22:32:32 Rhapsody on an unlimited internet data plan is a killer application for something like the N800 (just a shame it's US only), same with Skype - potential killer app Jul 05 22:33:17 the problem with the n800 is that it's not as sexy as the iphone - functionality it beats it into the ground. Jul 05 22:33:32 milhouse: I have a post due Jul 16 comparing all the US phone carriers and their 3G connections, Bluetooth DUN support, and Terms of Service. Jul 05 22:33:37 UK phone plans tend to have more free minutes than you can possibly use; less so for data. I'm not entirely convinced when *I'd* use my N800 for any form of voice/video-based communication when I've *always* got my phone with me. Jul 05 22:34:12 Sprint got back to me. I haven't talked to Verizon yet because I am going to torpedo them for their support and TOS, and I'm still waiting for responses from T-Mobile, AT&T, Alltel, and Helio Jul 05 22:34:22 i won't argue with that, but I thought Rhapsody was great and would work really well on a 3G connection Jul 05 22:34:38 why carry gigabytes of mp3s when you have 3 million tracks at your fingertips? Jul 05 22:34:56 milhouse: indeed, and my original comment was not referring to the functionality; but the *quality*. Ignoring the fact that everything looks like a cheap desktop knock-off with way-too-large fonts, the RSS reader is still crap; *hopefully* Modest will be decent; the applications aren't interconnected and usable etc. Jul 05 22:35:21 Jaffa: Absolutely, and the quality issue is why the iPhone is "sexier" than the N800 Jul 05 22:35:28 anyone hack a wifi antenna or better yet, an external antenna jack to the n800/n770? Jul 05 22:35:30 milhouse: yeah, but some kind of local sync (i.e. stream at > 1x speed) would be cool to handle reception black spots. Jul 05 22:35:55 milhouse: Indeed. Apple can build good hardware, build good software *and* market it. Jul 05 22:36:03 rhys: The gold square on the inside of the device is the antenna. Good luck soldering a dipole to that ;) Jul 05 22:36:36 yeah, in the 2 weeks I could use Rhapsody it was obvioust that it needed to pre-buffer the tracks - there was several seconds delay when one track ended and the other started, which shouldn't be necessary (multi threaded background buffering etc. of the data) Jul 05 22:37:05 oh well. :(. the 7dbi mag mount omni i have for my senao card will just have to wait. Jul 05 22:37:11 :D Jul 05 22:37:13 Rhapsody would be great if it had local caching Jul 05 22:37:15 Jaffa - yep, that's kind of been why i've ranted a bit on the mailing list about the lack of hype being generated about the upcoming firmware, it's just sooo laid back Jul 05 22:37:26 All of this stuff is *easy*, Apple aren't /generally/ that innovative, they're just good integrators and good UI designers. I wonder why so many companies are so bad at it. Jul 05 22:37:29 milhouse, why do you need hype? Jul 05 22:37:32 milhouse: indeed, it was a good point Jul 05 22:37:40 rhys: someone hacked an external antennae on a 770, check the itt forums Jul 05 22:37:49 rhys: why not? Jul 05 22:37:53 :) Jul 05 22:38:05 rhys; more hype => more people aware of the device => more users => more developers => more applications => better competition => better applications => more users => more developers => ... Jul 05 22:38:53 Jaffa, I didnt even know about the nokia untill i searched for it. and it happened to be on linuxdevices. Jul 05 22:38:59 Anyway, I could rant all night about a theoretical business I ran with infinite resources, but I should probably bed. Jul 05 22:38:59 Not necessarily, Jaffa. The original Palm Pilots were barely hyped at all... but they were such well-designed devices for the time that the developers flocked to them. Jul 05 22:39:13 -everyone- has heard about the iPhone.... Jul 05 22:39:20 rhys: exactly. Jul 05 22:39:32 cya jaffa - fingers crossed for new firmware tomorrow :) Jul 05 22:39:34 thoughtfix: hype doesn't have to be manufacturer-led, of course. Jul 05 22:40:16 Jaffa, i think that your having hope that is to be crushed. People and technology are stupidity. absolutely pathetic. Jul 05 22:40:23 i think in the case of the new firmware, nokia should be publicising the new and improved features that are coming Jul 05 22:40:36 Good point. The Internet of 1996 is very different from the Internet of today. The hype machines were word-of-mouth. Jul 05 22:40:47 thoughtfix: in that case (and I'll take your word for it, I had a Psion Series 5 and was happy ;-)) the developers hyped the device to other developers (I'd bet, anyway) and that led to more devices being sold => more users => more developers etc. The loop can start at any point, and once you've got critical mass - boom. Jul 05 22:41:24 seeing as they won't tell anybody what's new and improved in the new firmware, Nokia have to lead the hype - we'd help if we knew what was coming. Jul 05 22:41:25 i asked one girl if she had an mp3 player. shes said, no...whats that? i told her it plays music. she then pulls out her iPod. then she asked me who made the mp thingy Jul 05 22:41:40 milhouse: agreed. Jul 05 22:41:44 rhys is right. MS-DOS / Windows 3.1 Jul 05 22:43:00 g'night. Jul 05 22:43:37 mp thingy Jul 05 22:43:39 lol Jul 05 22:43:43 classic Jul 05 22:43:58 >:|} Jul 05 22:44:10 scary but classic Jul 05 22:44:32 unique311, ive had people understand ubuntu as "oh, cheap windows" Jul 05 22:45:12 Good point. Jul 05 22:45:43 the tar command dies on /usr/share/sounds Jul 05 22:46:03 milhouse: Remember IT2006? They hinted at a few things (thumbboard, GTalk) but gave us a few surprises as well (voice calls, swap file) Jul 05 22:46:21 AnF girl brand rep told me shows are suppose to be taken every 3 days........... Jul 05 22:46:36 showers* Jul 05 22:48:28 thoughtfix - indeed, but why was the secrecy and coyness necessary? Jul 05 22:48:59 Remember Scotty on Star Trek? Remember his appearance in Star Trek: The Next Generation? Jul 05 22:49:24 you're wierding me out now... I'm not a Trekky :) Jul 05 22:50:02 * Jaffa wonders if thoughtfix is equating the N800 to a Relic ;-) Jul 05 22:50:02 does anyone know why tar does on .wav files? Jul 05 22:50:14 Okay - Jul 05 22:50:28 Scot said it's better for an engineer to under-promise and over-deliver Jul 05 22:50:55 i'm all for that - that's how I operate at work, but I can still promise some things! Jul 05 22:50:56 If Nokia promised Skype, Skype Video, Bluetooth A2DP, and 30 FPS Flash support and could not deliver Skype Video, people would bash them. Jul 05 22:51:10 If they promised Skype and delivered Skype and Bluetooth A2DP, people would praise them Jul 05 22:51:23 And rofl@jaffa for knowing the episode name Jul 05 22:51:30 there comes a time during development when you're pretty sure whats going into the release and what's not Jul 05 22:51:34 * Jaffa couldn't get the "s" in. Jul 05 22:51:43 milhouse++; usually right at the start Jul 05 22:52:22 You don't invest X weeks of development time on something unless you know you can do it. I'm currently having to do prototypes at work to prove we *can* (I think) do what we've said we think we can do, this is way way WAY before any potential release. Jul 05 22:52:23 Jaffa - well yeah, but that list is usually a bit longer than the list at the end (although scarily it's sometimes the other way around too!) :) Jul 05 22:52:25 milhouse: True, but why spill ALL the beans until you're ready to deliver? Jul 05 22:52:43 Similarly, the rough release date is known. Jul 05 22:52:45 hype? sales? Jul 05 22:53:13 Read the last conversation http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0708764/quotes Jul 05 22:53:19 also, judging by the build dates of the firmware they're QA'ing a final build for up to 6 weeks... plenty of time to make a few leaks to bloggers, press etc. Jul 05 22:53:36 :( Jul 05 22:53:57 trust me, milhouse ... I'm trying Jul 05 22:54:09 Hell, *use* the community to do some damn testing on the bloody things. If we're getting one firmware release every 6 months, I'd like them to be as bug free as possible. Jul 05 22:54:27 hehe... s/star fleet captain/users/ Jul 05 22:54:38 I have my lips so firmly planted between the cheeks of Skype and Nokia just to try to extract little nuggets of extra info. Jul 05 22:54:42 Please don't visualize that. Jul 05 22:54:54 too late Jul 05 22:54:58 too late... eugh... thanks Jul 05 22:55:10 * outtolunc checks youtube for the video of it Jul 05 22:55:14 rofl Jul 05 22:55:25 damnit Jul 05 22:55:28 thats twice Jul 05 22:55:43 Hmm? Jul 05 22:56:12 thoughtfix, tar causes the nokia to lock up. Jul 05 22:56:20 it dies on the .wav files in /usr/share/sounds Jul 05 22:56:22 have you tried gnu tar? Jul 05 22:56:51 i http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_Boot_From_MMC_card Jul 05 22:56:54 i think the busybox tar has a few issues Jul 05 22:56:55 im following this Jul 05 22:57:08 right, so you should have gnu tar already? Jul 05 22:57:28 apt-get -d install tar, dpkg -x tar*.deb /tar-tmp, Jul 05 22:57:31 yes? Jul 05 22:57:46 yes Jul 05 22:58:10 /tar-temp/bin/tar cf - -C /floppy . | /tar-temp/bin/tar xvf - -C /opt << thats the command that freezes Jul 05 22:59:39 i cant use cp -pr to duplicate that can I? Jul 05 22:59:51 or send the tar archive somewhere else? Jul 05 22:59:57 im not sure if it dies on reading or writing Jul 05 23:00:15 k, i think i'm addicted to ninja warrior. Jul 05 23:00:44 rhys: the command you're using is the most efficient method Jul 05 23:00:52 cp i don't think will work Jul 05 23:00:53 except if it doesnt work Jul 05 23:00:59 well yes, but it should Jul 05 23:01:11 it doesnt. i think its in writing to the card. Jul 05 23:01:23 and you could tar to an archive file then unarchive in two distinct stages, but it will take longer, might be worth a try Jul 05 23:01:35 is your card OK - what make/brand is it? Jul 05 23:01:59 is the device locking up, or just the tar process - can you see what state it's in? Jul 05 23:02:14 the device is perfect Jul 05 23:02:17 the tar proccess Jul 05 23:02:27 milhouse, thats actually what im thinking Jul 05 23:03:08 tar -cvf /media/mmc1/filesystem.tar -C /floppy . Jul 05 23:03:20 thats to the external 4gb card i have Jul 05 23:03:25 take it and the 2gb out to my lappy Jul 05 23:03:34 and unextract it with my lappy to the 2gb card Jul 05 23:04:28 worth a shot Jul 05 23:05:12 though, why -C /floppy . Jul 05 23:05:18 instead of just /floppy Jul 05 23:05:20 ? Jul 05 23:06:42 floppy is mounting the rootfs again, -C changes to that directory before tarring the contents (.) Jul 05 23:07:07 i know it changes directory... Jul 05 23:07:13 it's kind of like tarring / but means you avoid all the other mounted filesystems Jul 05 23:07:23 ah Jul 05 23:07:47 equivilant would be "tar cvf /blah/fs.tar /floppy/* ? Jul 05 23:08:04 yes, but then when you untar it will be /floppy Jul 05 23:08:24 by switching into /floppy, you don't have /floppy as a prefix for the archived files Jul 05 23:08:46 lets try it then Jul 05 23:08:58 my terminology is sketchy here, but there's a big difference when you -C into /floppy rather than tar /floppy Jul 05 23:09:29 im still learning alot milhouse. this is actually what im lined up to do for a living. Jul 05 23:09:34 hm, i installed kismet and its no where to be found Jul 05 23:09:40 embedded electrical engineering Jul 05 23:09:45 eop, dpkg -l? Jul 05 23:10:29 hm, i havent gotten root on the 770 though Jul 05 23:10:38 necessary to use kismet? Jul 05 23:10:59 pretty sure Jul 05 23:11:04 rhys: sounds fun :) Jul 05 23:11:16 in the kismet.conf you set the user id that it sus into once it does something or other as root Jul 05 23:11:30 eop - yes, you need root to run kismet. the nomral users PATH won't find it Jul 05 23:11:34 or be able to execute it Jul 05 23:11:45 chroot /mnt/initfs cal-tool --set-root-device mmc2 << if i dont use ask:, when i remove the internal card, will it automaticly boot from internal flash? Jul 05 23:11:56 should do Jul 05 23:12:01 k, thanks Jul 05 23:12:17 on /usr/lib now. Jul 05 23:12:23 sbin.. Jul 05 23:12:41 /usr/share/mime.... Jul 05 23:12:45 :( Jul 05 23:13:42 Heh Jul 05 23:13:48 I just Emailed my PR rep at Skype Jul 05 23:14:02 in the "display" options, theres a checkbox to "display LED lights" Jul 05 23:14:02 Gave him my cell number and invited him to call me at any time of day or night with news. He will. Jul 05 23:14:08 what leds light? Jul 05 23:14:25 thoughtfix, got a good friend/ Jul 05 23:14:25 ? Jul 05 23:15:20 Skype is excited about the N800 too Jul 05 23:15:52 ill put skype on, but ill use gizmo. skype is closed source. Jul 05 23:16:13 Well Jul 05 23:16:22 I just mentioned that on tabletblog Jul 05 23:16:45 w00t. i think the taring worked now Jul 05 23:17:01 The importance of Skype on the N800 is comparable to the importance of YouTube on the iPhone - It's not about what it offers per se - it's about appealing to an already in-demand user base Jul 05 23:18:07 thoughtfix, no, i love that it supports it. its a great thing for nokia and the devices. just not a big deal to me. i will try to convert everyone i know to gizmo if thats the way we talk. Jul 05 23:19:39 does gizmo do video? Jul 05 23:20:12 someone packaged google earth for zenwalk. id like them to do the same for nvidia. i use the nvidia drivers on linux. the nokia though has finally shown me though how wonderful opensource is. If at all possible, I will try to use the opensource alternative to everything. Jul 05 23:20:13 any update on skype for the n800? Jul 05 23:20:46 tomorrow ;) Jul 05 23:22:37 which means im gonna have to do this again Jul 05 23:22:39 great Jul 05 23:23:54 consider it practice :) Jul 05 23:24:15 tar extracts to the current directory right? Jul 05 23:24:22 normally Jul 05 23:24:23 yes Jul 05 23:24:46 cd /opt; tar xvf /media/mmc1/fs.tar Jul 05 23:25:12 yep Jul 05 23:25:22 have a look at it first - tar tvf Jul 05 23:25:36 if every file is prefixed with /floppy you have a problem Jul 05 23:26:03 tvf is so useful when making slack packages Jul 05 23:26:29 nope. . Jul 05 23:26:30 :D Jul 05 23:26:41 good :) Jul 05 23:27:45 poor poor me. i first booted slackware 9.1, first distro ever. init 3..yay. got into a terminal...now what. dir worked. thats all i knew. :( Jul 05 23:27:48 do i need dropbear.deb or dropbear from a repository to gainroot? Jul 05 23:28:02 eop, no no.. Jul 05 23:28:10 add osso-xterm Jul 05 23:28:13 gainroot Jul 05 23:28:21 run xterm, type sudo gainroot Jul 05 23:28:23 viola Jul 05 23:28:35 you need becomeroot package installed to use gainroot Jul 05 23:28:53 is it become root? Jul 05 23:29:04 one word i think Jul 05 23:29:08 it's listed in the app manager Jul 05 23:29:13 then install xterm Jul 05 23:29:13 yep. becomeroot Jul 05 23:29:17 yeah i installed that Jul 05 23:29:28 then sudo gainroot, apt-get install ssh (or dropbear) Jul 05 23:29:29 reading this tutorial it says something about sshing to myself Jul 05 23:30:12 not sure what tutorial that is, but it's possible they're saying ssh into the device as root (-l root) and enter the root password Jul 05 23:30:43 it's another way of becoming root, not my preferred route I must admit, as some users prefer to disable logins on the root account for security reasons Jul 05 23:30:58 its from this tutorial Jul 05 23:31:00 http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowDoiBecomeRoot2 Jul 05 23:31:32 http://maemo.org/maemowiki/HowTo_EASILY_BecomeRoot Jul 05 23:31:34 try that Jul 05 23:31:50 that's pretty out of date Jul 05 23:31:53 the first one Jul 05 23:32:26 just install becomeroot, xterm, open xterm, sudo gainroot, apt-get install ssh and then you're pretty much all set Jul 05 23:32:34 i love the /lastlog command Jul 05 23:32:52 milhouse, i think he was trying to run kismet? Jul 05 23:32:55 do i need the apt-get ssh Jul 05 23:33:06 i just wanted kismet running Jul 05 23:33:09 no, forget ssh if you don't intend to connect from another box Jul 05 23:33:22 k, thanks again Jul 05 23:33:27 i find it a lot easier to work "on" the n800 by connecting from another PC :) Jul 05 23:34:08 in order to run kismet, get root (sudo gainroot) then execute "kismet" at the command line... make sure you have wifi disconnected at this point :) Jul 05 23:37:06 time for bed... see you tomorrow chaps Jul 05 23:37:09 kismet+flite+headphones = score Jul 05 23:37:11 cu milhouse Jul 05 23:37:27 hi again Jul 05 23:38:13 damnit Jul 05 23:38:25 nano isn't working. I'm getting 'nano: symbol lookup error: /lib/libslang.so.2: undefined symbol: tgetent' Jul 05 23:39:53 version mismatch? Jul 05 23:40:24 that's my guess...what's the best way to troubleshoot it? Jul 05 23:41:34 oh, just reading the previous comments, you can use just ssh to gain root access...once root just set a new passwd for the root acc't and for user Jul 05 23:42:19 is it possible to have an account to post on Maemo Planet? Jul 05 23:42:48 i have a bunch of Skype packages in my app catalog. Jul 05 23:42:58 with a maintainer of fixme@nokia.com. Jul 05 23:43:30 they don't install (i'm running 2007HE on a 770)... Jul 05 23:43:35 but does this mean Skype is coming soon? Jul 05 23:43:58 I've got 'em too Jul 05 23:44:08 do they work yet? Jul 05 23:44:26 not gonna try until I hear officially...I need this thing to work :P Jul 05 23:44:33 yeah... Jul 05 23:44:43 any chance it'll work on a 770 with 2007HE? Jul 05 23:44:45 I hope they release it for 770 too :( Jul 05 23:44:49 me too! Jul 05 23:44:56 quick... make a petition! Jul 05 23:46:51 so it works now Jul 05 23:46:51 my problem w/skype is they don't have a local number for me :( Jul 05 23:46:57 i did it on my machine Jul 05 23:47:04 but oddly enough, tar printed at the very end this Jul 05 23:47:05 d kismet running Jul 05 23:47:06 no, forget s Jul 05 23:47:08 opps Jul 05 23:47:19 tar: .: implausibly old time stamp 1969-12-31 19:00:00 Jul 05 23:49:20 dick-richardson: about local numbers I've no problem... I use the Eutelia Voip here in italy, they give you up to 100 free local numbers :) Jul 05 23:49:25 I use it with Gizmo Jul 05 23:52:24 I'd like a clock applet that displays in the screen border somewhere Jul 06 00:06:15 gizmo is sip compliant Jul 06 00:08:16 oh hell Jul 06 00:08:18 i screwed up Jul 06 00:08:45 can anybody give me a good link for setting up either kismet or metasploit on n770 please? Jul 06 00:09:57 http://www.erratasec.com/meta-n800.html Jul 06 00:10:05 havnt used it Jul 06 00:11:40 Is btscanner supposed to open a window if no bluetooth devices are in range? Jul 06 00:11:48 i just nearly bricked my nokia Jul 06 00:12:07 how rhys Jul 06 00:12:22 tried to run the initfs reflasher for a boot menu Jul 06 00:12:25 it died and wouldnt boot Jul 06 00:12:31 so i just reflashed the whole thing Jul 06 00:12:40 wow Jul 06 00:12:56 that link looks good rhys Jul 06 00:13:03 got one for kismet? Jul 06 00:13:08 nope Jul 06 00:15:01 try this Jul 06 00:15:01 http://talkback.zdnet.com/5208-10533-0.html?forumID=1&threadID=32733&messageID=603107 Jul 06 00:15:13 thanks Jul 06 00:21:41 anyone know where i can get the modified initfs to just flash? Jul 06 00:21:44 i dont trust the user tools Jul 06 00:42:19 anyone know how to change the whole hand of god thing Jul 06 00:42:19 ? Jul 06 00:42:37 kismet is pretty much ? Jul 06 00:42:41 ignore that pls Jul 06 00:42:44 its cool, but i would perfer something like the disturbed demon or linux penguin or something Jul 06 00:47:15 woot Jul 06 00:47:19 it fooking works Jul 06 00:47:21 yay Jul 06 00:49:43 running my own home shoutcast server makes the internet radio applet so much better :) no need to get a bigger card to store music on. Jul 06 01:23:49 hey all Jul 06 01:24:45 Perhaps I overlooked something, but I can't find a samba client for the 770. The only NFS client I've see is with a entire new flash download, which I'm not too keen on using Jul 06 01:25:03 is there a samba client? Jul 06 01:27:40 yzf600: yes there is a samba client Jul 06 01:27:51 yzf600: http://blog.david.connolly.name/2006/05/cifs-module-for-nokia-770.html Jul 06 01:28:42 I'm starting to hate my 64MB mmc card Jul 06 01:29:54 time to fork out $20 for a 1gb card Jul 06 01:49:48 http://www.janerob.com/rob/MaemoOnGentoo.html Jul 06 02:00:22 Anyone know how to get libusb installed on a Nokia 770? Jul 06 02:02:37 I added repository.maemo.org to my list where it seems to reside but the application catalog seems to not find a single thing new Jul 06 02:16:16 hi all Jul 06 02:16:33 need some help with partitioning MMC Jul 06 02:17:26 stuck at mke2fs step, says not found Jul 06 02:21:03 blah Jul 06 02:21:09 One adult American in five thinks the Sun revolves around the Earth Jul 06 02:21:18 http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/30/science/30profile.html?ex=1183780800&en=e3760aa7d1b5022a&ei=5070 Jul 06 02:21:21 wow Jul 06 02:21:32 activity Jul 06 02:21:39 unexpected in a IRC channel Jul 06 02:21:39 please god, take away their nukes Jul 06 02:21:42 lol Jul 06 02:21:50 please god, take away our nukes. i agree Jul 06 02:22:02 but everyone else's as well Jul 06 02:22:38 Ah well Jul 06 02:22:47 New n770 user Trencher? Jul 06 02:22:55 kind of Jul 06 02:23:01 been messing around Jul 06 02:23:09 couple of questions not answered elsewhere Jul 06 02:23:13 locokaizo: 770 or 800? Jul 06 02:23:13 <_Monkey> 802 Jul 06 02:23:17 and I love idling in another room Jul 06 02:23:18 i'll try to help Jul 06 02:23:38 who knows? maybe someone'll ask something i can actually fix Jul 06 02:24:12 pupnik: what model u have? Jul 06 02:24:16 770 Jul 06 02:24:27 is that question like the a/s/l of this channel? Jul 06 02:24:28 lol Jul 06 02:24:38 use the 2007 os? Jul 06 02:24:45 yes Jul 06 02:24:46 hi it's a 770 Jul 06 02:25:09 loco: what's the problem? Jul 06 02:25:18 <[yzf600]> How well does the 2007 osprey work on a 770? Jul 06 02:25:47 pupnik: is there always supposed to be a usb icon indicating "PC connection active"? Jul 06 02:25:49 I'm trying to run the everything from the mmc and going through the steps right now Jul 06 02:25:59 is that supposed to be faster? Jul 06 02:26:05 i'm thinking about it.. Jul 06 02:26:06 I'm stuck at setting the second partition Jul 06 02:26:09 mke2fs Jul 06 02:26:23 <[yzf600]> Osprey = os - dang complete bar messing with my space bar Jul 06 02:26:26 mke2fs: not found Jul 06 02:26:49 i see /sbin/mkfs.msdos and mkfs/vfat Jul 06 02:27:22 yzf: it works ok.. a little buggy, but it's a unofficial port.. Jul 06 02:31:27 also, any luck getting LXDoom to work? Jul 06 02:32:43 <[yzf600]> I have, but with 2006 os Jul 06 02:32:44 runs fine - annoying to play Jul 06 02:33:02 yeah it's hard to get used to Jul 06 02:33:06 <[yzf600]> Agreed - hard to play Jul 06 02:33:25 hmmm Jul 06 02:33:25 <[yzf600]> Not really worth playing Jul 06 02:33:28 i can't get it to start Jul 06 02:33:38 and i love torturous controls Jul 06 02:33:47 it would be better if that mouse area is span through out the screen Jul 06 02:34:09 Are the Ubuntu boys trying to port to the n800? http://swik.net/maemo+Ubuntu Jul 06 02:34:16 <[yzf600]> Or some screen/dir pad mix Jul 06 02:34:54 * thoughtfix wanders back Jul 06 02:35:02 <[yzf600]> Is the 800 have a faster processor? Jul 06 02:35:08 yes, slightly Jul 06 02:35:12 or tap to shoot, but you might put a hole through your screen Jul 06 02:35:22 more memory is the real upgrade Jul 06 02:35:45 <[yzf600]> Oh - how much officer an upgrade ? Jul 06 02:36:11 [yzf600]: http://tabletblog.com/2007/01/critical-question-answered-yes-n800-is.html Jul 06 02:36:17 770 has...64??? n800 has 256 Jul 06 02:36:44 <[yzf600]> Not bad Jul 06 02:37:16 pupnik: is this response "/sbin/mkfs.msdos and mkfs/vfat" for me? Jul 06 02:37:17 it's clearly prettier, too /flame Jul 06 02:37:33 locokaizo: yes, those are the only mkfs i have on 770 (it2007 though) Jul 06 02:38:14 I'm sorry I don't know what to do with that... Jul 06 02:38:47 you might have to format the card on a PC card reader Jul 06 02:39:09 and then start over? Jul 06 02:40:04 thoughtfix: are you the one from tabletblog? Jul 06 02:40:26 thoughtfix? Jul 06 02:40:27 <_Monkey> thoughtfix is, like, reloading the firmware repository every 4 hours or so Jul 06 02:40:31 heheh Jul 06 02:40:37 yes Jul 06 02:41:26 haha Jul 06 02:41:29 you've been outed ;) Jul 06 02:41:29 yes Jul 06 02:41:29 that's awsome Jul 06 02:42:02 I don't think I've ever run into someone I don't know twice on the web ever Jul 06 02:42:50 you're awsome man, I've been reading your blog since the woot deal Jul 06 02:44:15 may I ask...what's with woot? what does it mean, where did it come from? Jul 06 02:44:44 We Own Other Teams.. think it was started in counterstrike Jul 06 02:45:31 used in reference to the nokia tablets now, I'm guessing? Jul 06 02:45:49 there is speculation woot bought up 8000 770s from a closed retailer Jul 06 02:46:31 no, woot.com is where I bought my 770 from Jul 06 02:46:33 then used as a exclamation of excitement.. W00T! Jul 06 02:46:54 the site is a site that sells one item per day until it is sold out. usually at ridiculously low prices Jul 06 02:47:20 lowest price i found in germany for a 770 is $312 Jul 06 02:47:26 ouch Jul 06 02:47:35 we get screwed on electronics Jul 06 02:47:49 what's the min wage there, in USD? Jul 06 02:47:52 often, not always Jul 06 02:47:55 there is none Jul 06 02:48:00 gah Jul 06 02:48:26 the tax wedge on a single cycle is about 75% Jul 06 02:48:34 as reported by the OECD Jul 06 02:49:24 there seems to be more people now, can I ask about the mke2fs one more time? I'm not real sure of what to do. Jul 06 02:49:25 i think it's 45% in the usa Jul 06 02:50:43 what if I reformat the mmc and then get stuck again at the mke2fs step? Jul 06 02:51:48 pupnik: is there always supposed to be a usb icon indicating "PC connection active"? Jul 06 02:54:59 i don't know Jul 06 02:55:09 do you have one? Jul 06 02:55:30 locokaizo: i couldn't find a mke2fs - maybe you can apt-get it Jul 06 02:55:35 yeah Jul 06 02:55:53 meh Jul 06 02:56:42 just connected - saw the icon Jul 06 02:56:48 lol hook it up to comp, disconnect, and 3 errors later, gone Jul 06 02:57:02 i mean it wasn't connected at all and the icon was there Jul 06 02:57:06 even after a restart Jul 06 02:57:11 Trencher: do you have programs open that are using mmc? Jul 06 02:57:18 hmm Jul 06 02:57:19 i have nothing open Jul 06 02:57:51 meh, got rid of it Jul 06 02:57:56 bugs will be bugs Jul 06 02:58:45 does the os run faster off the mmc? Jul 06 02:59:18 that's what they say Jul 06 02:59:27 since the data isn't compressed Jul 06 02:59:56 and the transfer rate is faster for the mmc mobile anyway **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jul 06 02:59:57 2007