**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jul 08 02:59:57 2007 Jul 08 03:04:21 hey anybody know where I can find ruby-gtk2 and ruby-libglade for n770? Jul 08 03:08:11 What about recursive acronyms through rhyming? smew is not ukmp http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smew Jul 08 03:08:50 birds are common in music players though... hmmm... Jul 08 03:08:52 how does that rhyme? Jul 08 03:09:05 emu, smew? Jul 08 03:09:24 it's like it ends in u, but it doesn't. Jul 08 03:09:40 too subtle Jul 08 03:15:08 hey Jul 08 03:15:39 has anyone gotten something like open office running on a N770? Jul 08 03:15:47 hahahah... Jul 08 03:16:03 ? Jul 08 03:16:19 hahaha Jul 08 03:16:29 Abiword runs, sorta Jul 08 03:16:33 has anyone tried to run olpc apps on n800? Jul 08 03:16:48 is there other distributions besides the one provided by nokia? Jul 08 03:17:04 eugene, common questions? Jul 08 03:17:22 ports: Go look at the minimum resource usage of OO then look at the hw in the 770 Jul 08 03:17:44 ~70MB ram resident and ~160 virtual to do nothing. Not going to happen. Jul 08 03:18:06 and the disk space.. joy Jul 08 03:18:16 disk space is not a problem ;) Jul 08 03:18:30 i suppose.. the mmc could take care of that.. up to 2gigs Jul 08 03:18:44 I'm working on AbiWord Jul 08 03:18:49 I'm actually one of their SoC students Jul 08 03:19:08 and I'm going to get it recompiled for Bora, that should fix a bunch of the problems Jul 08 03:19:12 megabyte405: hmm. not the one who worked on the olpc port ya? Jul 08 03:19:14 (the stuff where it crashes when waking back up) Jul 08 03:19:22 No, but I know those people Jul 08 03:19:28 the abi community is pretty small/tight Jul 08 03:19:31 megabyte405: i met them in sydney early this year Jul 08 03:19:37 megabyte405, SoC, nice. how's the project going? i know a few people from TCPA mentoring in it Jul 08 03:19:37 i met one actually. Jul 08 03:20:04 Martin? Jul 08 03:20:10 Marc? Jul 08 03:20:11 megabyte405: the big guy. Jul 08 03:20:15 can't remember his name Jul 08 03:20:24 lol Jul 08 03:20:26 dragorn, ah. im tempted to buy a N770 since its ~$125 now. itd be nice if the thing read word documents so then i wouldnt have to lug around my 7 lb laptop. Jul 08 03:20:37 its not possible to flash the n800 without the usb cable is it?.. Jul 08 03:20:48 killfill: no Jul 08 03:20:50 ports: AbiWord can load doc's Jul 08 03:21:00 you can easily converts .docs to pdf too.. Jul 08 03:21:01 damn.. ill need to buy one. Jul 08 03:21:10 killfill: u can put the flash program and the firmware to a sd card, then run from within. Jul 08 03:21:15 the current build exposes a bug in the built-in iconv, but there is a workaround on the way Jul 08 03:21:20 eugene, the n770 is basically a low end linux pc right? or is it restricted in what kind of apps i could run... im pondering installing Python on it. Jul 08 03:21:28 ports: python runs Jul 08 03:21:35 ports: www.flickr.com/photos/eugeneteo/tags/n800 Jul 08 03:21:40 yea python works well Jul 08 03:21:51 eugene: run withing what?.. n800? Jul 08 03:21:58 great.. if python works, then i could get numpy, scipy and matplotlib running too Jul 08 03:22:10 so it can flash itself? Jul 08 03:22:18 killfill: disclaimer, i have not tried it. i read it somewhere. Jul 08 03:22:18 killfill: no, it cannot flash itself Jul 08 03:22:30 it can flash its own kernel, but not the whole image Jul 08 03:22:40 megabyte405: ah, thanks for the clarification Jul 08 03:22:43 Ah Jul 08 03:22:54 the n800 looks nice Jul 08 03:22:56 ok Jul 08 03:23:12 easier to find mmc for the n800 Jul 08 03:23:20 uses sd vs mcc-mobils Jul 08 03:23:23 mobile Jul 08 03:23:41 http://dealnews.com/memory/prices/RS-MMC/57/1GB.html <-- easy peasy :) Jul 08 03:23:49 and I'm going to get it recompiled for Bora, that should fix a bunch of the problems <--- this would make a lot of people very happy on ITT.... you should post this news! :) Jul 08 03:23:59 milhouse: I have :D Jul 08 03:24:05 recently? Jul 08 03:24:11 about a month ago or so Jul 08 03:24:19 i must have missed it - sorry... saw a post slating abiword just today Jul 08 03:24:21 milhouse, basically theyve threatened that if he doesnt come through on his fantastic news, theyll crucify him lol Jul 08 03:24:22 I'm also the guy who wrote n800 gpe <-> evolution sync instructions Jul 08 03:24:26 ie. not working on n800 etc. Jul 08 03:24:28 milhouse: really? can you point me to it? Jul 08 03:24:36 give me a sec Jul 08 03:24:37 ports: oh nice - that's sure to encourage me Jul 08 03:24:49 megabyte405, lol. im not threatening you with bodily harm lol Jul 08 03:24:55 i dont even own a device yet Jul 08 03:24:58 :D Jul 08 03:25:01 I know, it's alright Jul 08 03:25:26 I just both am amused and slightly upset by the sense of entitlement and "I could do it better" that often comes out of the itt forums Jul 08 03:25:30 shitzu. :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shitzu Jul 08 03:25:33 are the N800's still running around $350? Jul 08 03:25:38 They're a useful resource, but one definitely has to know when to stop reading. Jul 08 03:25:48 megabyte405: Everyone can do it better, but never does. It's funny how that happens. Jul 08 03:25:51 megabyte405, as is true with any community. Jul 08 03:25:52 megabyte405: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=57592#post57592 Jul 08 03:25:55 ports: more or less. I think walmart.com has them for $360 and that's about the standard lowest price Jul 08 03:26:23 dragorn: yep. it's alright, though, I've been with abi long enough to recognize that truth Jul 08 03:26:39 megabyte405, im mechanical engineering, and im taking a Robotics class with a bunch of CS students.. and they like to brag that they can code circles around us ME students... sure.. but our code is better lol Jul 08 03:26:56 shitzu is not ukmp. Jul 08 03:27:07 nah, I can't do it. too stupid. Jul 08 03:29:27 dragorn - did any of the wireless issues get fixed in the latest N800 firmware? Jul 08 03:29:43 suspect i know the answer but thought i'd ask... Jul 08 03:30:35 milhouse, what issues/ Jul 08 03:30:41 with kismet Jul 08 03:30:47 and wifi Jul 08 03:30:54 lol Jul 08 03:31:11 milhouse: presumably you mean the fact that it stops getting new networks about 15 seconds in, though the timer keeps ticking? Jul 08 03:31:21 yes Jul 08 03:31:24 thatd be pretty funny.. running kismet on that tablet. my friend just got kismet running on his Sharp Zaurus 5500 Jul 08 03:31:31 i understood it to be a problem with the wifi modules Jul 08 03:31:34 It does work, on startup Jul 08 03:31:47 basically, it works for a bit then becomes unstable Jul 08 03:31:48 milhouse: You know I haven't had a chance to check Jul 08 03:31:54 I just got it flashed yesterday Jul 08 03:31:59 once i finish this round of UT maybe Jul 08 03:32:04 dragorn: cool, thanks! :D Jul 08 03:32:13 i've been dealing with darwin and bsd stuff lately Jul 08 03:32:17 cheers dragorn... i could check myself of course :) Jul 08 03:32:31 If it does work, then I will definitely flash sooner rather than later - Kismet is awesome Jul 08 03:33:04 woohoo, i got a first reply to my blog. lol Jul 08 03:33:12 took me about a day to get back to where i was after the update... forget i had my handy-dandy "reflash" web page hosted on my linux server. went to connect to it after reflashing, got connection refused, looked to my right and saw server in pieces as i was part way through upgrading it. sigh. :) Jul 08 03:33:51 had had enough of suse... ubuntu is quite nice! Jul 08 03:34:13 milhouse: i prefer fedora :) Jul 08 03:34:48 right... what's the repository for kismet? Jul 08 03:35:39 Degu is not ukmp. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degu Jul 08 03:35:49 Not a particularly musical animal though Jul 08 03:35:55 damn.. maemo downloads is down? Jul 08 03:36:05 But it does like to be stoked. :) And so does ukmp.... Jul 08 03:36:10 my linux server is more stable than this carp Jul 08 03:36:39 trevarthan: attractive lookin' critter. not. Jul 08 03:36:53 yeh. Jul 08 03:37:19 oh hang on, there's two of them sitting on a stump.. i thought it was one head at first (note to self: get down to opticians pronto) Jul 08 03:37:49 kismet info anybody? Jul 08 03:39:27 http://eko.one.pl/maemo mistral user Jul 08 03:39:38 milhouse: http://eko.one.pl/maemo mistral user <-- got this from a forum. not sure if it works Jul 08 03:39:51 I'll deal with genning new code off the stable tree once i'm done w/ some other stuff Jul 08 03:39:57 rather, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4183 Jul 08 03:39:58 thanks eugene Jul 08 03:40:13 if it works, I'll make a real package Jul 08 03:41:00 kismet is http://eko.one.pl/maemo mistral user Jul 08 03:41:01 kismet? Jul 08 03:41:02 <_Monkey> kismet is pretty much ? Jul 08 03:41:05 arse Jul 08 03:41:29 there are no official kismet packages. Someone made one a while back, I have no plans to make one until it's stable on the fw Jul 08 03:41:39 kismet? Jul 08 03:41:39 <_Monkey> somebody said kismet was http://eko.one.pl/maemo mistral user Jul 08 03:41:51 i'll give this one a go Jul 08 03:42:06 good luck wrt dependencies issue ;) Jul 08 03:46:11 I've used the eko.one.pl package Jul 08 03:48:56 Milhouse: thanks for the heads-up. That looked like one of those whiny threads, hence why I didn't see it. I've replied in greater magnitude than I initially intended, but hopefully it helps clear things up, and it acknowledges help when receeived Jul 08 03:52:19 you guys ever flash a Netgear WGT 634U to OpenWRT? Jul 08 03:52:34 now there's a very specific question :-D Jul 08 03:53:08 I tend to avoid netgear whenever I can, interestingly enough. I have their MIMO G router and it is lousy - about 30 ft worth of range, on a good day Jul 08 03:54:18 whiny thread? on ITT? how dare you... Jul 08 03:54:34 :) Jul 08 03:54:56 :D Jul 08 03:55:09 megabyte405, i have one of the routers.. only reason i keep it around is because it has a usb port that supports a harddrive up to 500gigs. so it makes a very cheap and powerful NAS Jul 08 03:55:33 how about fon routers? what architecture is it? Jul 08 03:55:36 ports-: ah, nice. I've heard of those (like the Linksys NSLU2) but I've never had the opportunity or need to get one Jul 08 03:55:38 megabyte405, but the firmware is flakey.. and even after reflashing, and cycling through from the original flash to the latest.. the wireless is still vey flakey.. no one can maintain a connection for more than 45 seconds Jul 08 03:55:47 eugene, i have one.. ive got mine running DD-WRT Jul 08 03:55:49 ha, so I'm not alone Jul 08 03:56:11 ports-: what architecture is that? is it ARM? Jul 08 03:56:13 i have a netgear mr814v2.. has it for 7 years.. thing still runs like a rock.. no issues at all. Jul 08 03:56:21 eugene, the 634u or fonera? Jul 08 03:56:21 ports-: how much space is there? Jul 08 03:56:26 ports-: fonera Jul 08 03:56:37 i think it had 8mb Jul 08 03:56:57 nod Jul 08 03:57:04 guess it's a good traveling router Jul 08 03:57:18 sometimes your bed and the internet point is very far away :) Jul 08 03:57:19 i flashed the router.. but i never use it because it has 1 uplink ethernet port.. its meant for wireless only.. which i prefer ethernet for my desktops Jul 08 03:57:43 exactly! DD-WRT lets you bridge and do a signal relay.. so it becomes a signal extender Jul 08 03:58:28 ports-: i have an idea but not sure if it will work Jul 08 03:58:40 for? Jul 08 03:58:44 ports-: say i have a linksys router in my room, and i want to use the fon router downstairs as a relay Jul 08 03:59:14 ports-: but the internet point is to my linksys router in my room. is it possible to have a fon router downstairs to act as a relay? but only to connect to the powerpoint? Jul 08 03:59:26 'connect to the powerpoint?' Jul 08 03:59:26 silly question maybe but just wondering if you know :) Jul 08 03:59:57 i mean... fon router but not connected to the uplink ethernet port. Jul 08 04:00:16 oh. you mean not be physically connected to your internet router... yes thats possible Jul 08 04:00:19 yes Jul 08 04:00:32 thats been a major use of the flashed fonera routers Jul 08 04:01:20 any useful articles or howto/tutorials on that? Jul 08 04:01:26 greatly appreciated. Jul 08 04:01:35 megabyte405, i havent found a decent guide on using that usb port after the router runs OpenWRT.. i want to make sure i dont lose my NAS functionality Jul 08 04:01:42 eugene, http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/LaFonera_Software_Flashing Jul 08 04:01:55 then i can use my n800 downstairs too :) Jul 08 04:02:11 ports-: you might want to look into some of the nslu2 info - it may be similar? I have no experience with either, though, nor dd-wrt, so you're askin the wrong guy :D Jul 08 04:02:18 RedBoot == red hat :) Jul 08 04:02:22 k Jul 08 04:02:38 Kagu is not ukmp! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kagu Jul 08 04:02:43 megabyte405, dunno.. i dont really want to buy another device Jul 08 04:02:59 I just meant the docs might apply to both :D Jul 08 04:03:06 megabyte405, the netgear firmware has a built in FTP server... oh ok Jul 08 04:07:01 I really like kagu for my media player's name. It's not common. It's not ugly, really. (not like an emu) It's a bird. And it ends in 'u'. My only complaint is that it sounds a little funny.... Jul 08 04:07:09 hrm.. does the N710 let you connect an external usb/ps2 keyboard? Jul 08 04:07:18 er N770 Jul 08 04:09:57 pmku Jul 08 04:10:10 pmku is not ukmp Jul 08 04:10:35 (if you like mirror writing) Jul 08 04:11:05 somewhat unpronouncible though Jul 08 04:11:07 i like ukmp too Jul 08 04:11:37 ports-: thanks for the link. i will try it tonight :) Jul 08 04:11:47 eugene, np. let me know if you need help with it Jul 08 04:12:06 be careful.. if you get stuck at a part.. start over... otherwise you could brick it Jul 08 04:12:11 milhouse, mirror writing? Jul 08 04:12:24 pmku | ukmp Jul 08 04:12:54 thanks for the tip Jul 08 04:13:27 ports-: is it possible to cover by reflashing if it is "bricked"? Jul 08 04:14:18 milhouse: you don't like kagu? Jul 08 04:14:51 i read kagu and thing of those thin, plastic coats Jul 08 04:15:07 :) what? Jul 08 04:15:26 Cagoule - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Cagoule Jul 08 04:15:44 eugene, following that guide.. you shouldnt brick it.. i had a few times where something didnt work so i just immediately started over. Jul 08 04:15:46 oh hang on, wrong link Jul 08 04:15:52 ports-: okie Jul 08 04:15:58 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cagoule_(raincoat) Jul 08 04:16:21 i used to have one when i was a kid Jul 08 04:17:23 milhouse, lol what :P Jul 08 04:17:42 I gotta admit: it sounds funny. best I got right now though. Jul 08 04:18:30 At least it's a bird, so I can make it cutsie. Jul 08 04:18:58 you know, like the pidgin project's mascot? Jul 08 04:19:03 if it's a complete rewrite, why the association with UKMP? Jul 08 04:19:22 It still looks like ukmp. :) Jul 08 04:19:58 eump? (.eu bigger than .uk?) Jul 08 04:20:27 the uk doesn't stand for the country. It's the author's initials. Jul 08 04:20:37 yeah, I know. Jul 08 04:20:48 looks like "no, they didn't fix the wireless" Jul 08 04:21:01 it was broken? Jul 08 04:21:07 that eko.one.pl site seems to be a little hosed - not having much fun installing kismet Jul 08 04:22:16 dragorn: quell surprise... thanks for checking Jul 08 04:22:44 hm, now it's working Jul 08 04:22:54 so it's still pretty iffy if it's going to go usefully into rfmon Jul 08 04:22:59 tremp, trevarthan media player... Jul 08 04:23:11 or tramp Jul 08 04:23:19 maybe they fixed it... a bit Jul 08 04:23:24 http://kismetwireless.net/code/kismet-svn-devel-n800.deb ... Don't complain if it doesn't work Jul 08 04:23:41 dragorn, is there a decent way to use a usb keyboard on the N770? Jul 08 04:23:54 trevamp Jul 08 04:23:56 ports-: if you kluge a cable, and build a power pack for it Jul 08 04:24:29 easily done Jul 08 04:25:24 dragorn, do you have python running on your n770? Jul 08 04:25:30 no Jul 08 04:25:52 ports-: search itt, there's info there Jul 08 04:26:22 dragorn: thanks for checking. I found that going into offline mode first resulted in fewer confusions for kismet Jul 08 04:26:29 (from a purely user PoV) Jul 08 04:26:32 dragorn: getting "incompatible applications package" in app manager Jul 08 04:26:39 that's for the svn kismet deb Jul 08 04:26:54 megabyte405, for the keyboard or python Jul 08 04:27:09 ports-: well, both, actually, but I intended keyboard Jul 08 04:27:54 milhouse: dunno Jul 08 04:27:55 megabyte405, ah. i found some forum conversations about it.. just throw the N770 into usb host mode.. and usb a self powered hub. and itll work Jul 08 04:27:56 milhouse: works here Jul 08 04:28:09 ok, i'll try dpkg -i Jul 08 04:28:30 megabyte405, for the python code.. im going to have to find someone that has it running on theirs.. because i need to run some specific scripting Jul 08 04:28:44 I have python on my n800 Jul 08 04:29:02 milhouse: works for me in applications mgr Jul 08 04:29:30 megabyte405, http://rafb.net/p/6siRlA14.html Jul 08 04:29:34 maybe i've got a corrupt download, dpkg -i just bombed with a sub-process error Jul 08 04:30:17 maybe Jul 08 04:30:31 sorry my fault - i seem to have ended up with deb about 100k short of a full load Jul 08 04:30:42 megabyte405, http://www.scipy.org/Installing_SciPy/Linux - these are the packages needed to run that code in the paste.. Jul 08 04:30:54 installed fine now Jul 08 04:31:36 ports-: rebuild the source packages in Scratchbox - google for the INdT VMware SDK for Maemo for easiest use Jul 08 04:31:44 milhouse: cool Jul 08 04:32:32 megabyte405, the n770 runs a modified debian.. and theres debian/ubuntu binaries available.. think they would work without any modification? Jul 08 04:32:39 no Jul 08 04:32:59 *slaps himself* different processor architecture Jul 08 04:32:59 wrong architecture: the n770 is armel, not i386 Jul 08 04:33:09 lol yeah Jul 08 04:33:51 kismet seems to be working... :) Jul 08 04:34:03 megabyte405, do you have any spare time to see if numpy/scipy will work on the n800 after being rebuilt in scratchbox? Jul 08 04:34:14 ports-: not at the moment, sorry Jul 08 04:34:23 no worries Jul 08 04:34:31 if you post on ITT or ask someone in maemo perhaps they can Jul 08 04:34:37 but I have too little memory and too little time Jul 08 04:34:42 kismet Jul 08 04:34:42 thanks for understanding :) Jul 08 04:34:44 download scratchbox yourself and run it, or grab the vmware image with zephyr installed Jul 08 04:34:50 oops wrong window Jul 08 04:34:51 sb comes with an armel emulator Jul 08 04:35:10 yeah, the INdT vmware image seems to work pretty well for me, and eliminates all the crazy installing stuff Jul 08 04:35:17 I *can* tell you ruby performs very poorly. I don't know how well python performs. Jul 08 04:35:29 milhouse: how did you get around the incompatible application package? Jul 08 04:35:49 megabyte405, lol yeah. i understand the time committments well. ive got the keyboard thing figured out, have Abiword, pdf viewer, if i get python working.. this thing will replace my laptop for school uses Jul 08 04:36:03 megabyte405, is INdT a vmware image of the n770/n800? Jul 08 04:36:44 INdT is a nokia research center in brazil. They distribute a vmware image of Ubuntu Feisty with the N800 development environment already installed Jul 08 04:36:52 ah Jul 08 04:37:19 for something non-Maemoized like that, there should be little/no problem with using the n800 tools for n770, I would think Jul 08 04:38:03 hopefully.. if you looked at the code i pasted.. basically its just math Jul 08 04:38:50 ports-: yeah - doesn't even look like there's too much non-python default code there Jul 08 04:39:01 exactly Jul 08 04:39:03 I think the chances of an easy source recompile for numpy are high Jul 08 04:39:34 although im programming in python.. there should be some air quotes in there.. because basically just referencing some basic math functions Jul 08 04:40:00 i couldnt write a python app to say.. sort files in a folder or something Jul 08 04:40:47 oooh! the maemo python download has numeric.. that might be useful... Numeric is the old version of Numpy Jul 08 04:41:37 where do i find that vmware image? ive been googling INdT and i found their maemo site, but no images there, and nothing on maemo.org i saw Jul 08 04:42:05 http://www.maemo.org.br/platform/download-maemo-vm.html Jul 08 04:42:11 googled for indt maemo vmware Jul 08 04:42:37 ah.. i googled for 'indt maemo vmware image' Jul 08 04:42:51 they call it an appliance, apparently :) Jul 08 04:42:52 wow... 12 other wifi networks around me, half of them on chan 11 and the other half on chan 9. suckers. Jul 08 04:43:29 aww man... an hour to download Jul 08 04:43:57 im gunna go clean my kitchen, brb Jul 08 04:44:08 :D Jul 08 04:47:41 megabyte405: just finished reading your post on ITT, nicely put - it should clear up a few misunderstanding and also give people hope that things are still happening Jul 08 04:48:00 milhouse: thanks - that was the goal Jul 08 04:48:05 Nokia actually helped out abi a lot Jul 08 04:48:13 megabyte405: which url for the itt post Jul 08 04:48:22 and the outdated INdT site still distributes the earliest Abi on Maemo port Jul 08 04:48:22 i doubt many people knew this though - which is a shame Jul 08 04:48:34 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=57754#post57754 Jul 08 04:48:39 thanks Jul 08 04:54:10 dragorn: got a case where kismet goes nuts and displays garbage text on the screen followed by "Discon" and a TCP error (Read error 2)... Jul 08 04:54:32 milhouse: 'k... Not useful unless theres a gdb trace or something of it, unfortunately Jul 08 04:54:39 or unless it happens here Jul 08 04:54:46 dragorn: seems to be reproducible if I go within range of a wifi network, monitor it for a while then move out of range... shortly after kismet goes nuts Jul 08 04:54:49 probably something killed the server, like dhcp or some other network manager Jul 08 04:55:30 "Didn't detect any Cisco Discovery Packets, unlinking cisco dump" is written at the top of my screen, followed by several other lines of text snaking down the screen Jul 08 04:55:37 theres no logical distinction for moving in or out of range of a network - it doesn't care, and theres no state change or difference Jul 08 04:55:42 thats a shutdown of the server Jul 08 04:55:51 I stand by my theory that some network management sw is killing it Jul 08 04:55:59 milhouse: try going into offline mode before starting kismet Jul 08 04:56:07 it's done it twice now, both times shortly after i'd moved out of range of a bunch of networks... could be a coincidence. Jul 08 04:56:20 since that's not only a shutdown, it's a clean shutdown not a segv - it wouldn't be closing files cleanly during a segv or a bus error or anything like that Jul 08 04:56:20 offline = flight mode? Jul 08 04:56:31 mine says offline mode Jul 08 04:56:39 it's in the power menu Jul 08 04:56:49 maybe i'm thinking of another device :) Jul 08 04:56:55 probably a conflict with the built in software trying to roam Jul 08 04:57:09 press the power button - it's right below "lock touch screen and keys" Jul 08 04:57:13 offline activated... Jul 08 04:57:16 stupid dishwasher... Jul 08 04:57:35 off to find some distant wifi networks... back soon Jul 08 04:57:37 milhouse: how did you get around the incompatible package thing? just a re-download? Jul 08 04:58:12 yes, when i copied the deb from my pc to the n800 i only copied the first 400kb, hence the n800 was a bit confused Jul 08 04:58:36 deb should be fine, though you may need ncurses and possibly libpcap which you can get from the eno.one.pl site Jul 08 04:58:38 kismet? Jul 08 04:58:38 <_Monkey> kismet is http://eko.one.pl/maemo mistral user or http://kismetwireless.net/code/kismet-svn-devel-n800.deb but don't complain if it doesn't work Jul 08 04:59:40 ok thats strange, i'm only picking up my own network in offline mode Jul 08 05:00:49 think i'll reboot just to be sure Jul 08 05:01:53 someone's already reported kismet on itt :) http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=57767#post57767 Jul 08 05:02:32 bugger, battery is running out Jul 08 05:02:33 :( Jul 08 05:04:39 i love how people post everywhere except in my forum or email me about things working/not working, as if I'm omniscient and read every site everywhere Jul 08 05:04:58 even better, my internal storage has suddenly gone read-only - this fat corruption bug definately _not_ fixed! Jul 08 05:05:11 you mean you're not? Jul 08 05:05:13 damn Jul 08 05:05:29 dragorn: what do you do.. Jul 08 05:05:33 garage forums get very little use Jul 08 05:05:52 dragorn: I figured it wasn't important enough to me, and that you had bigger fish to fry than a bunch of geeks trying to wardrive with their pockets :D Jul 08 05:05:52 i'm going to have to leave this debugging session for a bit, flat battery and storage corruption have all come at the worst possible time Jul 08 05:07:27 dragorn, i thought you knew Jul 08 05:08:12 thanks for your help dragorn... i'll chat here again or post something on your forum (http://www.kismetwireless.net/Forum/General/ ?) Jul 08 05:08:23 or an email Jul 08 05:09:02 * megabyte405 feels dangerous - he has red pill mode turned on temporarily Jul 08 05:09:28 hey, there we go, now it's installed. Jul 08 05:09:33 i bet this'll be a no.. Jul 08 05:09:46 is there any place to get a precompiled cx3110x driver? Jul 08 05:09:57 Trencher: I think there might be a place on the garage Jul 08 05:10:09 the source is there Jul 08 05:10:20 did you look at the release notes and news posts? Jul 08 05:11:20 milhouse: The drivers are still screwed up Jul 08 05:11:21 no rel notes, i'll look at the posts Jul 08 05:11:33 dragorn: hey cool, it looks like it might be working (on the old firmware) - it's 41 seconds into my sessiona nd I'm still getting packets Jul 08 05:11:35 milhouse: offline mode works fine w/ kismet, however then it can't find networks anymore in online mode (the network mgr) Jul 08 05:11:36 no news either Jul 08 05:11:36 way better than before Jul 08 05:11:44 megabyte405: it's totally unreliable on the old firmware Jul 08 05:11:48 dragorn: you have to reboot after running kismet, even when using offline mode Jul 08 05:11:50 megabyte405: nothing has changed in kismet that would fix anything Jul 08 05:11:58 dragorn: well, your new build works better than the eko one Jul 08 05:12:00 go figure Jul 08 05:12:04 maybe just a bad package Jul 08 05:12:16 hi Jul 08 05:12:19 but it's now 1.5 minutes in, and that old build would kick over after about 15 seconds Jul 08 05:12:24 megabyte405: No difference in the monitor or capture logic, you just hit a time when it happens to work vs. not Jul 08 05:12:36 dragorn: i didn't have enough juice to test it, but I'll have another play and see if i can reproduce the onscreen garbage / server crash Jul 08 05:12:39 megabyte405: which is why there haven't been official packages for it Jul 08 05:12:54 interesting - it was reliably useless before, whereas now it's working Jul 08 05:12:59 milhouse: it's not a crash, it's a shutdown. Something is killing the interface out from underneath it and it's shutting down Jul 08 05:13:00 I'll reboot and see if it breaks :) Jul 08 05:13:07 megabyte405: I had it working and not working randomly Jul 08 05:13:10 can you anyone help me with maemo Jul 08 05:13:20 what about it? Jul 08 05:13:37 i used a prepackage helloworld Jul 08 05:13:44 hieptranit: we all probably can, but please let us know a specific question http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html Jul 08 05:14:02 dragorn: whoah, it even fell asleep and kept working: I feel lucky :D Jul 08 05:14:11 and now i want to add some menu on it Jul 08 05:14:16 megabyte405: n800? Jul 08 05:14:17 <_Monkey> i think n800 is much better than a desk phone :-) Jul 08 05:14:22 dragorn: yes Jul 08 05:14:25 megabyte405: n800 doesn't sleep :P Jul 08 05:14:28 ha - suckers: two linksys's on channel 6 within my range Jul 08 05:14:29 megabyte405: it just turns off the lcd Jul 08 05:14:33 but i keep getting this error message Jul 08 05:14:35 dragorn: well, the lock screen thing Jul 08 05:14:41 it crashes AbiWord, because they changed the ABI Jul 08 05:15:16 ./.libs/libhelloworld.so: undefined reference to `hildon_window_set_menu' Jul 08 05:15:51 o well. it was worth a try.. time to figure out how to 'compile linux 2.6 modules' in windows Jul 08 05:16:09 hieptranit: did you make sure to use the right version for your device? (Bora = n800, mistral, scirocco or something = 770) Jul 08 05:16:13 Trencher: vmware or livecd Jul 08 05:17:21 :(( Jul 08 05:17:27 yes Jul 08 05:18:13 at the time i dealt w/ the cx modules, building them was non-trivial, I had to rewrite the makefile and tweak a bunch of things. I don't know if they've gotten better or not. Jul 08 05:20:34 so that's a no... Jul 08 05:22:45 maybe vmware AND livecd Jul 08 05:23:20 Trencher: see my advice above about the INdT Maemo vmware appliance Jul 08 05:23:31 if you're compiling a kernel module, that's the way to go Jul 08 05:23:33 i am using this sample code hello-world-app_0.4.tar.gz Jul 08 05:24:59 so after i added the call to "gtk_menu_item_set_submenu(GTK_MENU_ITEM(service_type_menu), item_service);" Jul 08 05:25:24 and tried to do a make and we got a link error Jul 08 05:26:06 ./.libs/libhelloworld.so: undefined reference to `hildon_window_set_menu' Jul 08 05:26:32 so does anybody know any hints or solution? Jul 08 05:27:26 hieptranit: you're beyond me now, sorry Jul 08 05:27:34 make sure you have the right includes Jul 08 05:27:43 and that you're linking against the hildon libraries Jul 08 05:27:58 you're calling a function that is defined in a header and you aren't linking the library it needs Jul 08 05:28:00 i did that and yes we are linking against the hildon libs Jul 08 05:28:29 you're missing a lib, or you're calling a function that doesn't exist in your version of maemo Jul 08 05:28:36 do we need to update the makefiles or something? Jul 08 05:29:00 megabyte405, *sigh* 20 minutes left on the download Jul 08 05:29:15 ports-: you're downloading an entire operating system and compilation tools Jul 08 05:29:40 megabyte405, yeah.. but i have 6mbps dsl.. this should be faster :) Jul 08 05:29:54 their server isn't the fastest Jul 08 05:30:08 it might not be them. Jul 08 05:30:27 i upgraded from 3mbps last week. and my upload speeds have increased.. but i havent really seen an increase in my download Jul 08 05:30:46 you are probably maxing out the servers you are hitting Jul 08 05:31:01 try simultaneously downloading the vmware player you'll need to run that image :D Jul 08 05:31:25 already have vmware player Jul 08 05:31:31 lol Jul 08 05:31:40 i use it for an ubuntu image with my python tools integrated :) Jul 08 05:31:50 we tried this "gcc -o maemo_hello maemo_hello.c `pkg-config --cflags gtk+-2.0 hildon-libs` -ansi -Wall `pkg-config --libs gtk+-2.0 hildon-libs`" and it works Jul 08 05:32:43 but when we used make it complained about undefined reference Jul 08 05:32:51 hieptranit: fix your makefile Jul 08 05:33:14 you need to add those pkg-config parts to your includes, hwoever you do that in your particular makefiles Jul 08 05:33:22 which one makefile.am or makefile.in or makefile Jul 08 05:33:35 I think .am Jul 08 05:34:53 megabyte405, nope.. looks like theyve increased my upload speeds, but not my download. Jul 08 05:35:30 ports-: that stinks... Jul 08 05:35:49 megabyte405, its ok.. theyll fix it on monday Jul 08 05:36:41 megabyte405, at&t and i havent been getting along so well. idiot landscapers keep cutting the ground line to my house.. which isnt entirely their fault since its barely buried 2 inches deep. and the at&t installer 3 times now has shallowly buried the line when its required to be 12 inches. Jul 08 05:37:07 ah, yes. at&t. I don't envy anyone who has to deal with them Jul 08 05:37:13 I'm a computer tech by trade, at least for now Jul 08 05:37:24 so I end up dealing with at&t Jul 08 05:37:29 theyre not bad. Jul 08 05:37:40 im nice to them on the phone, and in turn theyre nice to me. Jul 08 05:37:56 me too Jul 08 05:38:02 its not customer service's fault that their installers are lazy morons Jul 08 05:38:11 well, you actually get an installer Jul 08 05:38:14 here it's all self install Jul 08 05:38:28 unfortunately, I often know what's going on more clearly than the first level tech support Jul 08 05:38:28 if they want my business, theyll send an installer. :) Jul 08 05:38:52 and the continuing threat of "we'll look at the box, but if it's not outside, we're coming inside and billing you $96/hour" doesn't do much for my confidence in them Jul 08 05:38:57 i have at&t local phone, dsl, cellular service, and satelite. i pay them a large sum of money each month Jul 08 05:39:09 dragorn: it seems you were right - I was just darn lucky last reboot. Seems to be stuck now. Jul 08 05:39:15 megabyte405: unfortunately Jul 08 05:39:44 eek.. i just estimated what i pay them.. its $300/month Jul 08 05:39:54 and thats after my discounts for being a state employee Jul 08 05:39:55 that's so weird - it's like it only gets the first "update" so to speak when scanning Jul 08 05:40:11 :) Jul 08 05:41:21 wow, if I run it several times in a row without rebooting, it won't even get the ui set up - it says bind failed Jul 08 05:41:24 that's weird Jul 08 05:41:27 megabyte405, are you an independent computer tech? Jul 08 05:41:34 must be because it hung and I ctrl-c'ed it Jul 08 05:41:37 ports-: what is a state employee Jul 08 05:41:52 ports-: yep - at least for now Jul 08 05:42:00 eugene, i work for the state government through a state university Jul 08 05:42:25 I'd like to "move up in the world" to network administration or experimental software design (like maemo, etc) but not yet Jul 08 05:42:31 megabyte405, i dislike independent computer techs.. theyre almost as bad as Best Buy as far as pricing Jul 08 05:42:39 <`0660> i don't have a satellite nor a local phone but my 100 mb internet connection and cell phone generate about $30/month :) Jul 08 05:43:11 ports-: ha - not me, I'm a uni student who looks a lot younger than my real age, so I can't charge much. I'm very, very cheap compared to best buy Jul 08 05:43:17 `0660, my dsl is $35/mo.. and if you dont get local phone service, they charge you $80/mo.. whereas a local no option phone is $10/month Jul 08 05:43:55 I pay 300/mo for synchronous 3mbit plus half a class c and reverse dns delegation Jul 08 05:43:58 <`0660> i wish you had a better consumer protection laws in us Jul 08 05:44:39 dragorn: now that is what I call an internet connection! :D Jul 08 05:45:08 ports-: oh.. Jul 08 05:45:11 megabyte405, how old are you Jul 08 05:45:19 university student Jul 08 05:45:19 eugene, where are you from? Jul 08 05:45:25 ports-: singapore Jul 08 05:45:33 megabyte405, 17-18. :) Jul 08 05:45:43 <`0660> here the isp's have to rent their lines to competitors with sensible price. and that's why there is some competition going on Jul 08 05:45:51 ports-: we don't have states here :) Jul 08 05:46:13 eugene, ah. here if you work for a state university, you're paid by the state government.. so the same ethics, regulations, policies that apply for regular government employees apply to us also. Jul 08 05:46:30 ports-: interesting Jul 08 05:47:18 yay found a compiled one: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4506&page=2 Jul 08 05:47:28 ports-: we don't have an equivalent over here. Jul 08 05:47:52 eugene, sure you do.. the singapore country government :) Jul 08 05:48:21 ports-: hehe, except that the government university do not get the regular government employee benefits :) Jul 08 05:48:41 i normally dont either. Jul 08 05:49:18 but a few places like phone companies form discount agreements with the universities.. its a way for them to get extra business. Jul 08 05:49:43 for a 5-10% discount, they get recommended strongly to the 3-4,000 people i work with Jul 08 05:50:05 ah.. Jul 08 05:51:26 gee, don't feel like studying for my test tomorrow. Jul 08 05:52:37 whats it in Jul 08 05:52:51 some military stuff.. Jul 08 05:52:51 alright, I'm headin offline for the night Jul 08 05:52:53 later all Jul 08 05:52:56 megabyte405: night Jul 08 05:52:56 later megabyte405 thanks Jul 08 05:52:57 thanks for your help, dragorn Jul 08 05:53:08 dragorn: will let you know on the forums if I find out more info or antyhing Jul 08 05:53:19 later eugene , ports- , Trencher Jul 08 05:53:26 later Jul 08 05:53:47 eugene, whats it in Jul 08 05:54:08 ports-: some military stuff... Jul 08 05:54:30 are you in the military? Jul 08 05:54:41 ports-: i'm in reservist right now. Jul 08 05:55:00 cool Jul 08 05:55:02 s/in/a/ Jul 08 05:55:04 eugene meant: ports-: i'm a reservist right now. Jul 08 05:55:22 haha Jul 08 05:55:29 s/cool/oops Jul 08 05:55:35 d'oh Jul 08 05:55:38 hehe Jul 08 05:55:43 s/d'oh/cool Jul 08 05:55:44 you forgot the backslash Jul 08 05:55:53 s/d'oh/cool/ Jul 08 05:55:55 ports- meant: s/cool/cool Jul 08 05:56:00 lol Jul 08 05:56:05 nice Jul 08 05:56:13 i might have to write a script to do that for me Jul 08 05:56:36 s/lol/lolol/ Jul 08 05:56:37 eugene meant: lolol Jul 08 05:56:51 s/script/code/ Jul 08 05:56:59 ah-ha! Jul 08 05:58:02 arrgh Jul 08 05:58:04 lol Jul 08 05:58:27 s/write a script to do that for me/punch someone in the face/ Jul 08 05:58:28 ports- meant: i might have to punch someone in the face Jul 08 05:58:35 haha :> Jul 08 05:58:52 insmod: cannot insert '/home/user/cx3110x.ko': Invalid module format (-1): Exec format error Jul 08 05:58:57 yay! Jul 08 05:58:59 lol Jul 08 05:59:15 modinfo cx311x.ko Jul 08 05:59:52 no such proggy Jul 08 06:00:04 /sbin/modinfo <-- no? Jul 08 06:00:12 maybe Jul 08 06:00:17 did you sudo gainroot? Jul 08 06:00:29 nope Jul 08 06:00:30 and yes Jul 08 06:01:08 .. /sbin # modinfo /home/user/cx3110x.ko Jul 08 06:01:21 .. /bin/sh: modinfo: not found Jul 08 06:01:40 i <3 linux cuz it's so damn argumentative Jul 08 06:01:43 my n800 is offline at the moment... Jul 08 06:01:48 windows bends over way too easy Jul 08 06:01:56 i have a 770 Jul 08 06:02:08 it might be because the driver was compiled for a 800... :( Jul 08 06:02:19 Trencher, i want a 770 Jul 08 06:02:26 do you have a 800? Jul 08 06:02:29 no Jul 08 06:02:33 lol i wooted Jul 08 06:02:36 it looked cool Jul 08 06:02:40 how much Jul 08 06:02:44 i have nightmares i never had now Jul 08 06:03:40 135 Jul 08 06:03:55 i want one for 100 :) Jul 08 06:04:01 ebay? Jul 08 06:04:12 if you ebay REALLY well Jul 08 06:04:16 150+10 Jul 08 06:04:16 you can get stuff dirt cheap Jul 08 06:04:27 i got mine 130+5 Jul 08 06:05:25 o well Jul 08 06:05:55 unless someone's willing to compile for me (i will give roms!) i'm going to wait a hour for the Maemo SDK VMWare img to dl Jul 08 06:06:08 then i'll take a couple of shots at compiling for my first time evar Jul 08 06:06:39 Trencher: i don't need the roms, but i can compile for you. Jul 08 06:06:55 for 880? Jul 08 06:07:00 s/880/800/ Jul 08 06:07:00 eugene meant: for 800? Jul 08 06:07:31 no, 770 Jul 08 06:07:39 i just finished downloading the maemo sdk Jul 08 06:07:40 oh, then i can't compile for you. Jul 08 06:07:52 :( Jul 08 06:07:53 lol Jul 08 06:08:40 i rmmodded my wifi driver.. a reset should undo that, right? Jul 08 06:08:51 i think so Jul 08 06:08:52 total linux n00b Jul 08 06:09:00 i dont think that deletes it Jul 08 06:09:11 managed to get the 2007he edition in, then moved it to the mmc Jul 08 06:09:13 that's it Jul 08 06:09:33 s/edition/ Jul 08 06:10:27 stupid fancypants infobot Jul 08 06:10:33 yay Jul 08 06:10:35 it loads Jul 08 06:10:36 s/stupid fancypants/cool Jul 08 06:10:45 s/stupid fancypants/cool/ Jul 08 06:10:46 lol Jul 08 06:10:48 Trencher meant: s/cool/cool Jul 08 06:11:02 s/it loads/stop doing that dummy :) Jul 08 06:11:23 s/it loads/stop doing that dummy :)/ Jul 08 06:11:24 ports- meant: s/stop doing that dummy :)/stop doing that dummy :) Jul 08 06:11:25 me needs to gb/2/syntaxschool Jul 08 06:11:49 only 56 mins left Jul 08 06:12:07 wlan still works.. so it should be ok Jul 08 06:12:08 Trencher, i have a laptop right now thats getting a bit old and slowly dying.. and its almost 10 lbs with power supply.. so its a pain to lug around with textbooks Jul 08 06:12:16 stream me some kroq Jul 08 06:12:22 :( Jul 08 06:12:26 get a palm? Jul 08 06:12:43 i have a palm and a pocketpc.. they serve their purposes Jul 08 06:12:55 palm + kb = laptop Jul 08 06:13:00 at least, mine did Jul 08 06:13:06 Trencher, at school i basically needs something that runs pdf, some python code, runs word docs, and browses the web.. so with a few mods the n770 will be great Jul 08 06:13:10 yuck.. palms are trash :) Jul 08 06:13:15 i only used mine for mp3+games+web Jul 08 06:13:18 and it sucked at that Jul 08 06:13:21 ive been using palmos for 8 years. i hate it Jul 08 06:13:22 i never used the pim Jul 08 06:13:40 but i lost my T|T2 Jul 08 06:13:42 so now i got this Jul 08 06:14:33 it's pretty cool, because i <3 KROQ, but i get no signal in my room Jul 08 06:14:33 so i can stream it with it Jul 08 06:14:40 ah. i have a sony clie peg-t415.. makes a nice ebook reader.. but beyond that.. palmos isnt nearly as handy as even pocketpc 2002 was Jul 08 06:14:55 lol ebooks Jul 08 06:14:59 what's your source? Jul 08 06:15:06 efnet / #books Jul 08 06:15:10 err #bw Jul 08 06:15:13 i use #bookz on undernet Jul 08 06:15:33 probably the same Jul 08 06:16:32 only thing ill have to carry extra is a keyboard + hub.. and im thinking ill buy one of those rollable rubberized keyboards Jul 08 06:17:26 eww Jul 08 06:17:43 i have a couple of those foldout keyboards for palm Jul 08 06:17:45 love them Jul 08 06:17:53 Trencher: mail me one! Jul 08 06:17:57 when i bust it out, people instantly assume i'm some type of hacker Jul 08 06:18:01 which port do you have? Jul 08 06:18:33 does the 770 have bluetooth? i think it does... Jul 08 06:18:35 i've got a extra for the universal connector Jul 08 06:18:36 it does Jul 08 06:18:47 and there's a bt keyboard driver Jul 08 06:18:50 Trencher: i'm usin n800 Jul 08 06:18:56 Trencher: bt probably works Jul 08 06:19:05 they're not bt Jul 08 06:19:09 both r wired Jul 08 06:19:27 Trencher, thats what i was going to mention Jul 08 06:19:27 mini usb? Jul 08 06:19:48 no, palm proprietary ports Jul 08 06:19:55 can't use on the 770 Jul 08 06:19:58 Trencher, have you seen Live Free or Die Hard? Jul 08 06:20:02 not yet Jul 08 06:20:22 they make extensive use of rollable keyboards, and pdas to hack computers Jul 08 06:20:27 lol Jul 08 06:22:43 which bt keyboard is good for n800? Jul 08 06:22:51 eugene, the cheapest one you find :) Jul 08 06:22:55 i guess i will buy one, for convenience. Jul 08 06:22:57 hmm... Jul 08 06:23:06 all not cheap.. Jul 08 06:23:14 eugene, google a ACK-595. i like that form factor Jul 08 06:23:38 googling Jul 08 06:23:49 ports-: do u know n770/800 is not available in this part of the world? Jul 08 06:23:54 nope. Jul 08 06:24:05 wow not bad Jul 08 06:24:13 yeah it's only available in US/UK Jul 08 06:24:15 not in APAC Jul 08 06:24:20 you can find it via ebay Jul 08 06:24:20 we have to import them from US Jul 08 06:24:36 wow i might want to buy that Jul 08 06:24:56 eugene, the ACK-595 is a ps/2 keyboard.. not bluetooth Jul 08 06:25:03 oh :( Jul 08 06:25:10 how to use that with n800? Jul 08 06:25:12 its just a very nice small keyboard Jul 08 06:25:21 eugene, cant.. i dont think the 770/800 support ps2 Jul 08 06:25:26 ok Jul 08 06:25:30 they make a ack-595 in usb.. that might work just fine Jul 08 06:25:44 here you go this is chea Jul 08 06:25:49 http://cgi.ebay.com/Dell-Bluetooth-Wireless-Keyboard-Replacement-DH953_W0QQitemZ120137821967QQihZ002QQcategoryZ116287QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Jul 08 06:26:07 SGD$62 Jul 08 06:26:09 wow that's not cheap Jul 08 06:26:34 thats $35 USD with shipping.. trust me thats cheap for a bluetooth keyboard Jul 08 06:27:00 that's huge... Jul 08 06:27:08 im gunna go the wired route with my n770 when i buy it. no worries about batteries Jul 08 06:27:22 http://cgi.ebay.com.sg/NEW-Adesso-88KEY-USB-Mini-Keyboard-White-ACK-595_W0QQitemZ200002572284QQihZ010QQcategoryZ4706QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD2VQQcmdZViewItem Jul 08 06:27:25 yeah.. its a full sized keyboard.. you can probably reprogram all those function keys to do things on the n800 Jul 08 06:27:37 US $42.31 Buy It Now > Jul 08 06:27:37 (Approximately S$ 64.29) Jul 08 06:27:42 still quite expensive Jul 08 06:27:55 yep.. thats the keyboard i used to use in a ps/2 version Jul 08 06:27:56 http://www.safecomputing.com/mini_keyboard_ps2.html Jul 08 06:28:01 $10usd cheaper.. Jul 08 06:28:03 i switched it for a Kensington Slimtype Jul 08 06:30:43 got to check out the priceshere Jul 08 06:31:14 k Jul 08 06:32:19 hopefully i can buy a good bt keyboard, or a mini-usb one Jul 08 06:32:29 maybe i should get a mini usb version Jul 08 06:32:59 gah waiting so long for download Jul 08 06:37:23 eugene: no host mode usb on the n800. until that happens, I think it's bt keyboards only. Jul 08 06:37:35 oh.... Jul 08 06:37:39 thanks.. Jul 08 06:45:56 trevarthan: can those bt keyboards for palms be used on n800? Jul 08 06:58:34 meh Jul 08 06:58:37 w/e Jul 08 06:59:32 eugene: probably. not sure. I've got a ThinkOutside bt keyboard. It acts rather funny. The FN key doesn't work. It's still usable, but it can be a bit annoying. Still, it's better than nothing. Jul 08 07:07:35 hey guys, does the new 2007 os work with a 770? Jul 08 07:07:43 have they got it working yet? Jul 08 07:13:18 trevarthan: thanks for the info Jul 08 07:33:48 packet injection on the n800 apparently doesnt work? Jul 08 08:09:44 packet injection? Jul 08 08:58:03 from what i read, flasher-3.0 doesn't work on new kernels, (i'm using 2.6.21), because of usb dev changes. what can i do, if anything? is there a new version of the flasher utility due anytime soon??? Jul 08 09:48:29 claws: nah, it worked on 2.6.21. 0xFFFF worked for me too Jul 08 09:48:44 claws: I used flasher-3.0 w/ 2.6.21.5, no problems Jul 08 09:49:11 hmm, strange Jul 08 09:49:19 claws: what's the problem/error Jul 08 09:49:54 it just waits and waits saying that "Suitable USB device not found, waiting" Jul 08 09:50:25 claws: you need to turn off your device, and then turn it on again Jul 08 09:50:31 yes, did that Jul 08 09:51:09 i an the flasher, connected my n800, turned it on while holding the 'home' key Jul 08 09:51:16 s/i an/i ran/ Jul 08 09:51:17 claws meant: i ran the flasher, connected my n800, turned it on while holding the 'home' key Jul 08 09:51:25 what do you have to do that Jul 08 09:51:30 ahh, infobot! :) Jul 08 09:51:32 it's simple: Jul 08 09:51:35 1) off your n800 Jul 08 09:51:38 2) run the flasher Jul 08 09:51:40 there was something I recall w/ /proc/bus/usb or some other dir that wasn't populated in some case .. Jul 08 09:51:42 3) on your n800 Jul 08 09:51:43 done Jul 08 09:51:59 that's what i did, but nothing. and it sounded so simple Jul 08 09:52:22 koos: you could be on the right track Jul 08 09:53:55 my previous system had that too, I had to add 'none /proc/bus/usb usbfs defaults 0 0' to fstab (too much stripped in the kernel I guess) Jul 08 09:54:14 ok, let me check my fstab... Jul 08 09:54:31 no check your /proc/bus/usb first :-) Jul 08 09:55:29 well, my fstab already has that Jul 08 09:55:52 usb is working, i've dumped files onto the n800 Jul 08 09:56:51 koos: any other clues/ideas? Jul 08 09:56:59 but your /proc/bus/usb is empty right? Jul 08 09:57:02 no Jul 08 09:57:12 ls /proc/bus/usb Jul 08 09:57:12 001 002 003 004 devices Jul 08 09:57:23 oh, than it's something different :-) Jul 08 09:57:39 hmm, thanks anyway :) Jul 08 10:02:21 claws: you sure you inserted the usb cable properly? Jul 08 10:02:29 yes Jul 08 10:03:01 btw. I recall this long thread on lkml between RH and the other distro abut CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED, does this break flashing? Jul 08 10:05:14 claws:you do this as root, no? Jul 08 10:05:30 i tried as root when the normal user failed, yes Jul 08 10:05:34 both the same Jul 08 10:06:14 you are supposed to do this as root.... Jul 08 10:06:30 btw the three points above are w/o charger Jul 08 10:07:10 eugene: i read that it depends what privileges a normal user has Jul 08 10:07:13 my themes are totaly damaged now...icons etc..overwrited...if i want to backup all thinks to get the same as before..and reflash: what do i have to backup? home/user and source.list or? then reinstall the apps and ready? Jul 08 10:07:35 koos: yes, understood. and was without charger Jul 08 10:08:39 eichi: http://internettabletmania.wordpress.com/2007/02/01/customizing-what-gets-backed-up-on-the-internet-tablets-workaround-for-bug-974/ Jul 08 10:09:41 can't seem to find the uktube page Jul 08 10:15:46 argh. download.maemo.org down? Jul 08 10:17:04 eugene: this script backups very less information Jul 08 10:17:58 koos: i will return if i sus this out and let you know Jul 08 10:23:23 eichi: nod. Jul 08 10:26:52 I have a small problem with my xmoto build, Jul 08 10:27:18 the depends does not include libsdl_gfx stuff Jul 08 10:27:25 how can I fix that? Jul 08 10:51:20 eugene: nod? whats the meaing of "nod"? Jul 08 10:53:49 eichi: nod == ok == nodding my head in agreement Jul 08 12:35:16 what is the best screenshot tool for bora? Jul 08 12:36:49 <`0660> is there more than one? Jul 08 12:38:22 `0660:what is that one? Jul 08 12:39:39 <`0660> mh-shot-tool Jul 08 12:40:30 <`0660> but i haven't used it Jul 08 12:40:40 <`0660> it might as well be the worst screenshot tool for bora Jul 08 12:40:49 <`0660> especially if it's the only one Jul 08 12:40:52 <`0660> :) Jul 08 12:45:03 `0660:it's rather big, but seems to work. Doesn't append .png and worse adds a white rectangle .. Jul 08 12:45:49 `0660:so its pretty bad Jul 08 12:46:20 <`0660> :/ Jul 08 12:46:52 on my n770 I had that cpu meter applet, that also did this. At least that one worked. Does that work on bora? Jul 08 12:47:04 <`0660> try it? Jul 08 13:33:41 koos_: I also saw a 'maemo-screengrabber' somewhere Jul 08 13:34:12 http://maemo.org/downloads/product/maemo-screengrabber Jul 08 13:50:08 Sho_:thanks, hmm osso-screenshot-tool.. Jul 08 13:50:32 where does maemo screengrabber saves the images? i can't find it Jul 08 13:50:57 to /home/user/MyDocs/.images, I imagine Jul 08 13:51:14 thanks! Jul 08 13:53:17 Sho_:yes works, great Jul 08 13:56:39 now deinstalling mh-shot-tool only return 82kb, was 0.8Mb install Jul 08 13:57:23 .. is libsoup2.2-8 a default package? Jul 08 14:17:33 hello Jul 08 14:17:34 <_Monkey> niihau, rlifchitz Jul 08 14:18:07 _Monkey: niihau == nihao? :) Jul 08 14:18:07 <_Monkey> eugene: what? Jul 08 14:24:03 hi Jul 08 14:24:09 does maemo use arm eabi? Jul 08 14:40:00 runehol: I think so Jul 08 14:41:06 thanks Jul 08 14:45:55 how can I tell what version of maemo I'm running? Jul 08 14:49:08 tools > control panel > about product Jul 08 14:51:20 I'm trying to install e2fsprog using apt-get. I have a 770 on IT2006 and the default repository is returning a 404. Jul 08 14:51:52 if it's the maemo repository, I've been getting that for days now Jul 08 14:51:58 from what I can tell, the files are being correctly indexed but are missing from the server. Jul 08 14:52:20 yeah, some think it might be a symlink change on the server Jul 08 14:52:57 http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo2.0/free/e/e2fsprogs/ Jul 08 14:53:16 if I change it to maemo2.2, the same files are downloadable Jul 08 14:53:30 is there a way to change my apt-get settings to grab these files instead? Jul 08 14:54:59 you want to prioritize a repository over another? Jul 08 14:56:12 using /etc/apt/preferences you may define the priority of different versions and applications Jul 08 14:57:02 http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html Jul 08 14:57:12 read about pinning there, it might be useful. Jul 08 14:57:43 (unfortunately I have no Linux computer running around here right now) Jul 08 14:59:11 what is the diff b/w maemo2.0 and 2.2? Jul 08 14:59:34 mostly software updates, I guess. Jul 08 14:59:48 2.0 is mistral and 2.2 is gregale, right? Jul 08 15:00:28 yeah, will gregal packages work with IT2006? Jul 08 15:01:07 I wouldn't bet on it, omnix Jul 08 15:01:19 mistral is a N770 distro, gregale is N800 oriented Jul 08 15:01:59 any binary that requires extra features available on N800's Ti OLAP 2420 won't work on N770, I fear. Jul 08 15:02:25 i thought N800 was bora? Jul 08 15:03:57 argh, I don't know any more. I have mistral/scirocco/gregale/bora repositories all strewn together in my sources.list Jul 08 15:04:10 yes bora is n800 Jul 08 15:04:55 gregale is latest n770 Jul 08 15:05:24 according to http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4551 wumpus is right Jul 08 15:05:25 :-) Jul 08 15:05:27 * zuh would go as far to call it also the last SDK release for 770 Jul 08 15:10:30 Bora is the SDK for N800... Maemo 3.x Jul 08 15:10:51 gomiam: s/OLAP/OMAP/ Jul 08 15:11:24 is there a mirror i can use instead of the default repository? Jul 08 15:11:32 oops, wrote it from memory Jul 08 15:12:08 can anyone tell me how to change default apps? e.g. in the contacts popup menu, can i change which app is launched by 'New e-mail message'? Jul 08 15:33:07 how do you feel about a daemon (always running, one http request in each few minutes + sqlite) being written in python? from the speed/memory standpoint i mean Jul 08 15:35:48 I would like it more if I could get python to install, heh Jul 08 15:36:22 is there a way for N770 to connect to a wireless upon startup? Jul 08 15:39:18 <`0660> disq, i think it would be an awful waste of memory :) Jul 08 15:40:12 i keep trying to convince myself to that :) Jul 08 15:43:25 <`0660> what would you do with this daemon? Jul 08 15:47:00 check for enabledness (gconf), check for net connection, post some data from sqlite to web, update the sqlite fields, loop Jul 08 15:48:17 Since themes don't seem to be working on the new firmware, what do I need to do to edit to get my 12pt fonts back in one o f the default themes? Jul 08 15:48:35 they don't work? Jul 08 15:48:42 As far as I can tell. Jul 08 15:49:11 Every theme I've tried to install downloads then shows up as 0kb in Application manager Jul 08 15:49:15 Then it throws an error. Jul 08 15:49:30 /usr/share/themes/default/gtk-2.0/gtkrc is the file you want to edit. to create a new theme, copy /usr/share/themes/default dir as "mytheme", edit index.theme to give it a name, edit the gtkrc inside Jul 08 15:49:44 (using mc on ssh helps a lot) Jul 08 15:49:53 Excellent, thanks. Jul 08 15:50:23 you might want to not copy the images/ dir inside and symlink it to default theme's images/ instead Jul 08 15:50:41 <`0660> i don't think it matters if you use python as long as the application is important enough for the user :) Jul 08 15:50:49 also you should delete the gtkrc.cache file so it can process the edited file generate a new cache Jul 08 15:51:52 i don't know much about python's memory/cpu usage, especially when it's running in background. if every web request were to spike the cpu i wouldn't want to use it Jul 08 15:52:52 for foreground apps wasting memory or spiking cpu can be acceptable after all Jul 08 15:54:45 <`0660> i don't think the request causes a spike Jul 08 15:55:42 <`0660> if your program is something new it might be a good idea to write it with python first Jul 08 15:56:11 <`0660> and if it would turn out to be non-optimal, you would always rewrite it with c Jul 08 16:01:06 well I decided to skip python. I already have some C code for handling sqlite3 etc. also it would take a few hours to get myself acquainted with python and friends, not to mention daemonizing the process and all that Jul 08 16:01:27 good idea Jul 08 16:03:35 <`0660> true Jul 08 16:43:45 <_Shurik_> hello tableteers Jul 08 16:55:23 heeeya!! Jul 08 16:55:57 <_Shurik_> hello Jul 08 17:11:59 are there VOIP providers that can do free calls to USA? Jul 08 17:17:47 <`0660> like completely free calls to any landline in usa? :) Jul 08 17:18:06 <_Shurik_> voipbuster Jul 08 17:18:31 <_Shurik_> works from PC, but I was never able to make it work from Gizmo for some reason Jul 08 17:34:22 does any body know what is the name of the top and side toolbar in the home screen of OS2007 I am trying to replace them Jul 08 17:37:15 Konttori are you in? Jul 08 17:48:16 yeah `0660 Jul 08 17:48:40 it could be limited to short calls too Jul 08 17:49:26 <`0660> aren't all the providers dirt cheap already? :) Jul 08 17:49:38 i need to place about 200 calls a day Jul 08 17:49:52 <`0660> hmm Jul 08 17:49:56 <`0660> that's quite a lot :) Jul 08 17:49:57 <`0660> why? Jul 08 17:50:03 polling Jul 08 17:50:33 push polling to be precise Jul 08 17:50:49 <`0660> why? :) Jul 08 17:51:34 Well Iowa is holding a straw poll on august 11th, and only 6% of registered Iowan republicans have heard of Ron Paul, but 37% said they'd consider voting for him after they learned about his platform. Jul 08 17:52:15 oh no, ron paul guerilla marketer! Jul 08 17:52:49 did I stumble on to digg's IRC channel by accident? :) Jul 08 17:52:50 The mainstream media is blacklisting him, which pisses me off, so i'm getting involved. Jul 08 17:53:17 <`0660> ok :) Jul 08 17:53:53 but yeah, the media sucks.. they decide that someone doesn't have a chance, so why cover them Jul 08 17:54:05 <`0660> what makes him different from all the other republican candidates? :) Jul 08 17:54:20 he's actually a republican, instead of a neo-con? Jul 08 17:54:23 Anti-interventionist, anti war, anti drug war, strict constitutionalist. Jul 08 17:55:01 <`0660> anti-everything? :) Jul 08 17:55:23 republican was the party for small government, fical-conservatism, etc.. it was taken over by the neo-cons and the religious right Jul 08 17:55:27 Pro Liberty. Pro Rule of Law. Pro Constitution. Pro Privacy. Pro Internet. Pro Economic Freedom. Jul 08 17:55:31 right Jul 08 17:55:55 Oh and a big one - pro states' rights. No federal laws not mandated by the constitution (drug laws, abortion laws etc) Jul 08 17:56:04 basically it used to be what the libertarians are now, heh Jul 08 17:56:14 Yep basically Jul 08 17:56:59 doesn't help when they keep putting up fruitcake candidate like badnarik Jul 08 17:57:09 <`0660> so the states would be free to have their own abortion laws? Jul 08 17:57:12 He recently drew 1000+ supporters to hear him speak in iowa. 6 Other republican candidates drew only 600. And RP had only one week's advance notice. Jul 08 17:57:15 Right `0660 Jul 08 17:57:21 although badnarik endorses ron paul Jul 08 17:57:45 Radar, basically you have to be a billionaire to run as a 3rd party candidate or independent. Jul 08 17:58:25 He's 71 years old Jul 08 17:58:56 <`0660> how about global warming? would the states be free to decide about that too? Jul 08 17:59:11 yeah, he's one of the few republicans old enough to remember republicans, heh Jul 08 17:59:58 As far as airborne pollution goes, the constitution allows the federal government to regulate it under the Interstate Commerce Clause (as far as I can tell) Jul 08 18:00:03 that's one of the fun parts of state rights.. you either have to let them have full control or none at all Jul 08 18:00:34 personally I think the concepts of "states" are an outdated concept, but until the constitution is changed, they should have full rights Jul 08 18:00:51 that pesky constitution and all Jul 08 18:01:07 I disagree, i think a heterogenous group of social policies allows for competition. Jul 08 18:02:05 I take it a step further and call countries an outdated concept too.. doesn't matter where you live.. once you get past the nationalistic pride and tradition, there's no point! Jul 08 18:02:56 Globalist tyranny will not be stable without complete destruction of human rights. Jul 08 18:03:22 I am fine with that, as long as I am in charge! Jul 08 18:03:29 Monoculture society is as instable as monoculture farming. Jul 08 18:03:43 An ecosystem is more resilient Jul 08 18:04:02 it won't happen until/unless the entire planet comes under threat from an outside force Jul 08 18:04:14 human nature Jul 08 18:05:13 most americans don't really want human rights.. they say they do, but what they really want is for their every need to be taken care of and told what to do Jul 08 18:05:32 as long as american idol is on, they are happy Jul 08 18:05:38 cool he http://kmplayer.garage.maemo.org/flash.png Jul 08 18:05:58 neat Jul 08 18:06:29 looks like I have kmplayer back on mine Jul 08 18:06:31 only those inline for eg. planet.xxx.org don't work yet (get undefined in the uri's Jul 08 18:07:14 Radar: thanks, but wait until released Jul 08 18:07:33 uktube is what I'm missing mainly right now Jul 08 18:07:57 <`0660> it comes bundled with ukmp Jul 08 18:08:03 I simply implemented an NPP loader and use the default libflash Jul 08 18:08:25 I can't install ukmp yet, due to python not installing Jul 08 18:12:41 <`0660> strange Jul 08 18:13:07 <`0660> i installed ukmp first and started to wonder about the python only after it did'nt start Jul 08 18:13:20 <`0660> and then i installed the python from downloads.maemo.org Jul 08 18:16:19 pupnik: global tyranny would be stable with minimal human rights (ie/ the right to self-preservation and possibly the preservation of select others) Jul 08 18:17:03 mine fails because it can't find repository.maemor.org/extras/pool/bora/free/p/python* Jul 08 18:17:53 maemor.org? Jul 08 18:17:57 that's a new one Jul 08 18:18:03 heh, typo Jul 08 18:18:14 :-P Jul 08 18:18:41 says "Failed to fetch" about 10 files Jul 08 18:20:13 <`0660> strange Jul 08 18:22:11 What is the advantage of UKTube exactly? Jul 08 18:22:26 soothsayer: actually... little to none Jul 08 18:22:35 it downloads videos right Jul 08 18:22:37 save videos, fullscreen playback, umm.. Jul 08 18:22:45 but it won't play them correctly after a while Jul 08 18:22:46 :-( Jul 08 18:22:50 at least some of them Jul 08 18:23:01 it was about the only way to actually get youtube videos to play until the latest update Jul 08 18:23:24 my diagnostics point to mplayer getting messed with by the different rate in the video stream and the overall container Jul 08 18:23:35 <`0660> it plays the videos a lot faster than the flash plugin at least Jul 08 18:23:59 `0660: that's true Jul 08 18:24:17 `0660: do you have it installed? Jul 08 18:24:24 <`0660> yesh Jul 08 18:24:26 <`0660> yeah Jul 08 18:24:30 <`0660> came with ukmp Jul 08 18:24:33 hold on, I'm going to send you an URL Jul 08 18:24:53 <`0660> which i installed because the default media player couldn't handle id3 tags correctly :) Jul 08 18:24:53 http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=q-K8x4x4i68 Jul 08 18:25:00 hmm.. I have an ncurses-bin installed that is 0k and won't seem to uninstall Jul 08 18:25:38 `0660: that video doesn't play correctly for me Jul 08 18:26:24 at least not in UKTube Jul 08 18:26:58 <`0660> seems to be out of sync with me too Jul 08 18:27:20 <`0660> hmm Jul 08 18:27:22 <`0660> actually it is Jul 08 18:27:36 yup, it looks like Youtube messed with the container data to drive mplayer nuts Jul 08 18:28:01 <`0660> better check it with pc as well :) Jul 08 18:28:18 I've checked it Jul 08 18:28:28 The Youtube page plays it right Jul 08 18:28:31 so does VideoLAN Jul 08 18:28:39 VirtualDub doesn't even know what to do with it Jul 08 18:28:45 <`0660> yeah Jul 08 18:28:57 and Media Player Classic has the same problems as mplayer Jul 08 18:29:19 now, if only I could configure VLC to generate a correct MPG Jul 08 18:30:37 <`0660> well, we'll just have to wait another year for the mplayer codecs to improve :) Jul 08 18:31:28 if only there was a way to tell mplayer to ignore the container fps rate Jul 08 18:31:49 perhaps I can extract the audio and the video to different files and then mash them up again Jul 08 18:32:07 but that's a test for another time. Right now I'm going into the Big Blue Room Jul 08 18:32:09 <`0660> is it so important for you to be able to play that with n800? :) Jul 08 18:32:29 `0660: well, it's easier to carry around than my laptop Jul 08 18:33:04 <`0660> so you need to carry that clip around with you? :) Jul 08 18:33:14 it's not like I will drop and die if I don't carry those clips Jul 08 18:33:24 but it makes for a nice ice breaker with some gals :-P Jul 08 18:33:28 <`0660> :) Jul 08 18:34:49 ttyl Jul 08 18:34:51 bye Jul 08 18:36:05 i have found that also Jul 08 18:40:50 http://biagi.miniville.fr/sec Jul 08 19:23:12 So did we ever end up getting a new firmware update? Jul 08 19:24:51 couple of days ago Jul 08 19:25:06 doooope Jul 08 19:25:11 does it include Skype ? Jul 08 19:25:27 "video and flash performance and quality" Jul 08 19:25:35 so can we watch youtube yet? :P Jul 08 19:25:53 Uhhh Jul 08 19:25:56 v. 3.2007.10-7 Jul 08 19:26:04 hmmm, I thought that's what I was running already Jul 08 19:26:20 (I don't have my n800 handy, it's upstairs charging) Jul 08 19:31:10 cy: apparently youtube is okayish once it has finished loading Jul 08 19:31:19 i don't have a n800 myself.. Jul 08 19:32:12 I'm checking out the internettablettalk forums right now and I don't see anything indicating a new firmware update Jul 08 19:32:34 or any "reviews" on the new update if you will Jul 08 19:32:35 Heh Jul 08 19:32:51 http://tabletblog.com/ Jul 08 19:33:11 theres most of the beef there Jul 08 19:33:51 Thanks man Jul 08 19:41:52 cy - plenty of threads on ITT discussing the new firmware! ;) quite a few problems, probably best not to restore a backup and it has a tendency to self harm SD cards :( Jul 08 19:43:08 oh man Jul 08 19:43:09 :( Jul 08 19:43:10 Bummer Jul 08 19:43:19 I still want some Flash9 action though :P Jul 08 19:43:34 I could care less about skype, I need a real SIP/IAX2 client. Grrr Jul 08 19:44:22 I think it's OK as long as you don't restore a bakcup (this cocks up existing themes) and you may want to pull any precious SD/SDHC cards until Nokia explain what the fck is going on with cards dieing Jul 08 19:44:53 Opera seems a bit flackier than usual, often crashes on youtube... some users report problems accessing certain sites. Jul 08 19:46:05 ugh Jul 08 19:46:16 well, I'll probably flash it tonight then I guess Jul 08 19:46:18 Might as well Jul 08 19:46:27 And I won't be restoring a backup, so that's fine Jul 08 19:55:27 Hey, how's Hacker? Jul 08 19:58:18 i'm doing well, thank you Jul 08 19:59:11 lol Jul 08 20:03:54 milhouse: afaik the SDHC code is same as in the unofficial SDHC kernel images people built before.. did people have problems with them? Jul 08 20:04:06 not to this extent Jul 08 20:04:57 that could be due to more people now using SDHC cards (who refused or didn't want to patch their old system) but some who (such as me) who had no problems with the old patch have been bit by the new code Jul 08 20:05:21 the old patch was solid with no problems, the new code less so Jul 08 20:06:19 according to fanoush on the mailing list, nokia have capped the MMC clock in the upgrade to 24MHz (the 3.2007 patch went as high as 48Mhz) in order to circumvent the filesystem corruption, but it doesn't seem to have helped so i wonder if they tweaked something else as well? Jul 08 20:07:16 quite a few people now have dead - as in usuable on any platform - cards following the upgrade Jul 08 20:07:28 s/uusuable/unusable/ Jul 08 20:08:11 Nokia need to step in and explain soon as this is potentially hitting people in the pocket Jul 08 20:09:38 Question: Can anyone recommend a good bluetooth keyboard? Jul 08 20:09:50 milhouse: /me stares at the lack of firmware for his 770... Jul 08 20:10:03 that's on it's way - nokia have said so... Jul 08 20:10:25 http://maemo.org/news/view/1183720952.html Jul 08 20:10:52 no idea "when", of course Jul 08 20:12:16 ttuttle, looks like we got 770s right as they're starting to go unsupported Jul 08 20:12:39 that happened back in january! Jul 08 20:12:57 doh Jul 08 20:13:30 ericz_: Yes, I sorta knew about it, but I bought it anyway. Jul 08 20:13:32 "unsupported" in the sense of no further official, supported firmware but there will be ongoing unofficial firmware - since you got very little official software support from Nokia anyway I see this makes no big difference as long as the unofficial software materialises Jul 08 20:14:02 milhouse: It's more of the fact that I'd like them to let someone spend the few hours per release it would take to compile things for the 770 too. Jul 08 20:14:24 i think they're going to try and do that Jul 08 20:14:27 milhouse: Besides, the effort they put in to keeping these two platforms running at once will benefit them, becase when they come out with the N900, and the N1000, and whatever comes nexet, it'll be more modular. Jul 08 20:14:39 milhouse: Er, where is 2007 for 770 then? Hacker doesn't count, because it's not supported. Jul 08 20:15:00 milhouse: I mean, I appreciate their effort, but it's not being maintained in a very elegant way. It's more like patchwork. Jul 08 20:15:04 ok answer me this - what happened when you had a software problem with OS 2006? Jul 08 20:15:19 milhouse: Dunno, I flashed to 2007 Hacker right after I got it ;-) Jul 08 20:15:22 did you phone nokia support and get any assitance? Jul 08 20:15:30 milhouse: I've considered it. Jul 08 20:15:35 milhouse: (Just to make a point.) Jul 08 20:15:38 you'd be wasting your time :) Jul 08 20:15:54 which is why there will be little difference between OS 2006 and OS 2007 HE in terms of support Jul 08 20:15:59 milhouse: Okay. Jul 08 20:16:03 milhouse: That's a decent argument. Jul 08 20:16:10 there may be less QA performed on OS 2007 HE, but we'll have to see how that pans out Jul 08 20:16:21 milhouse: But there are some things that can't be easily glued together. Skype, for example. Jul 08 20:16:23 im too nervous to flash my 770 ;/ even if it is nokia-supported firmware Jul 08 20:16:28 ericz_: Oh, just do it. Jul 08 20:16:39 haha Jul 08 20:16:55 Due to the more limited hardware capabilities of the 770, and in some cases due to licensing issues (Opera + Flash) Nokia have stated that some software won't be available Jul 08 20:16:56 this works well enough though Jul 08 20:17:18 milhouse: Mmm, someone at Maemo should get Minimo working well. Jul 08 20:17:27 the main thing is to get OS 2007 on 770 so that it's compatible with the majority of community software Jul 08 20:18:12 milhouse: I'd probably forgive them if they gave us the Skype codec, as that would mean they're willing to backport things if needed. Jul 08 20:18:19 milhouse: Of course, licensing is another thing, Jul 08 20:18:53 That would be down to Skype to support the old CPU in the 770 - if they've used floating point in their codec for instance, you've got practically no chance of Skype appearing on 770 (it has no floating point hardware) Jul 08 20:19:34 I think with Skype on 770 the attitude may be "if it works then bonus, but if not we did warn you" Jul 08 20:20:03 milhouse: I heard the same problem with Ogg support on one of my old iRiver players. It took 'em a while, but they developed a fixed-point Ogg codec. Jul 08 20:20:27 right, but that's someone doing it in their own free time - who will pay Skype to do it? Jul 08 20:20:42 ogg is more open than skype Jul 08 20:20:48 milhouse: Er, that wasn't. It was iRiver. Jul 08 20:20:48 ...by far Jul 08 20:21:23 milhouse: It was the same kind of situation. They were just barely supporting an old product, and they had come out with a killer feature (Ogg support) for a newer device, and everyone wanted it. So they went to the effort to backport it. Jul 08 20:21:39 ttuttle: fair enough, that was their decision to support their hardware. Skype have no real need or interest in supporting the 770 Jul 08 20:22:01 milhouse: Mmm, but isn't it to Skype's advantage to have more users? Jul 08 20:22:16 a few more thousand for how much work? Jul 08 20:22:19 The lovely propiertary software everyone wants... Jul 08 20:22:41 how many users do they gain by supporting the 770..really? Jul 08 20:22:44 milhouse: I don't know. But iRiver got *no* benefit from it, besides goodwill. Jul 08 20:22:48 if it works straight off the bat then I think you'll see Skype on 770, but if it requires a rewrite or lots of redevelopment forget it Jul 08 20:23:12 only time will tell :) Jul 08 20:23:31 i wouldn't rule it out, but don't bank on it - which is what Nokia are saying in the link above Jul 08 20:23:31 milhouse: Even text chat or a crappy codec would be nice. Jul 08 20:23:42 flash9 is also much bigger than (6MB vs 2MB flash7) so it will unlikely do anything good for the 770 browsing experience Jul 08 20:24:44 They should sell a FPU for the 770 ;-) Jul 08 20:24:52 Watching a YouTube video with Flash 9 on my N800 consumes ~85% CPU... I doubt it would work on a 770 even assuming it doesn't use floating point Jul 08 20:24:58 milhouse: It doesn't work. Jul 08 20:25:27 milhouse: I tried it with some other video, and it just chokes. Jul 08 20:25:34 milhouse: About 1/2 sec of video every 2-3 sec. Jul 08 20:25:41 Ttutle: Flash 7 on 770 or Flash 9 on N800? Jul 08 20:25:55 ttuttle: remember 387 :) Jul 08 20:26:00 milhouse: Flash 7 (I think) on 770. Jul 08 20:26:04 suihkulokki: Yeah, exactly ;-) Jul 08 20:26:30 yeah, youtube does not play well on 770 - flash on 770 is only good for adverts, maybe the odd game Jul 08 20:31:53 for the 770 and youtube, check this out http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/ Jul 08 20:32:06 i use it all the time and it works well Jul 08 20:36:44 has anyone had problems with the maemo bluetooth plugin? Jul 08 20:36:53 my 770 keeps rebooting after pairing with my bt keyboard Jul 08 20:46:38 does any body know what is the name of the top and side toolbar in the home screen of OS2007 I am trying to replace them Jul 08 20:48:16 Top is the Status Bar Jul 08 20:48:17 any body? Jul 08 20:48:25 hey milhouse Jul 08 20:48:29 Left is the Navigation bar, I think Jul 08 20:48:30 hi Jul 08 20:48:40 or possibly Task Bar Jul 08 20:48:59 Mhhhh let me see Jul 08 20:49:07 oh, if you want programatic names - I've no idea! :) Jul 08 20:49:35 I am SeRiAlDiE at internettablttalk Jul 08 20:49:37 :) Jul 08 20:50:18 hello there :) Jul 08 20:50:48 hey... :) Jul 08 20:50:59 Trying to customize my theme :) Jul 08 20:53:29 Milhouse Jul 08 20:53:31 qgn_plat_home_status_bar_background.png Jul 08 20:53:38 Thats the one for the top? Jul 08 20:54:39 i would say "yes" Jul 08 20:55:21 there si several ones so I am going to reca all with status bar Jul 08 20:55:30 replace* Jul 08 21:01:52 How do i hide deleted IMAP messages in claws? Jul 08 21:43:27 hi guys how you all doing Jul 08 21:44:19 can anyone help me with kismet on my n800 Jul 08 21:45:22 Halo9: search internettablettalk.com for info on Kismet on N800 Jul 08 21:45:41 Short answer: it kind of works - it will randomly work great, and randomly (more commonly) stop updating after a few seconds Jul 08 21:48:40 i have its another issue saying unknown interface wlan01 and permlssion denied Jul 08 21:52:50 anyone Jul 08 21:58:21 anyone here using a jabber transport to view aim contacts on their 770? Jul 08 21:58:29 not me Jul 08 21:58:35 but it should be doable Jul 08 21:58:43 I have known of people doing it. Jul 08 21:59:13 yea, it's working with msn, yahoo and IRC for me, but I can't see anyone as being online... I can hear, but not talk... Jul 08 21:59:24 ! Jul 08 21:59:39 ok, try to add gomiam@hotmail.com to your MSN Jul 08 21:59:47 and let's see if you see me Jul 08 22:00:28 or tell me your MSN address and I'll try to add you. Jul 08 22:02:02 Speak softly and carry a big trout. Jul 08 22:03:36 imthefrizzlefr1: I'm IMing you through MSN. Do my messages get to you? Jul 08 22:06:35 disconnected... Jul 08 22:06:53 Halo9: there's a kismet configuration file under /etc where i think you can set the interface. I don't have a n800 though sorry Jul 08 22:07:01 imthefrizzlefr1: please tell me whether you get notified of the disconnection :-) Jul 08 22:07:40 reconnecting... Jul 08 22:09:15 pupnik; thank you do you understand the error? Jul 08 22:09:29 well there are names for interfaces Jul 08 22:10:12 like wlan0 and stuff Jul 08 22:10:27 if you run ifconfig command you can see your interfaces Jul 08 22:11:45 on the 770 there's a lo interface for loopback and a wlan0 interface for the wifi Jul 08 22:13:06 but i would expect that the kismet package for the N800 would have the interface set-up correctly already Jul 08 22:13:20 so i don't know what the problem is Jul 08 22:19:09 pupnik: kismet works on my N800, without needing any extra configuration Jul 08 22:22:47 oh Halo9 quit... oh well Jul 08 22:36:23 hi Jul 08 23:32:52 /join #mythtv Jul 09 00:43:09 Can anyone give me a clue as to why my 770 is coming on by itself? I go through the "turn device off" thing. I charged it a couple days ago and just went in and the battery is almost dead. I did turn the cover around on it and it is still coming on by itself. Jul 09 00:48:59 Check that the alarm is off and also check that the alarmd "alarm deamon" is not running Jul 09 00:51:57 how do I do that second part? Jul 09 01:22:54 yay linux 2.6.x vm! now i can compile.. i think... Jul 09 01:22:55 lol Jul 09 01:23:10 i have a 2gb mmcmobile card that I'm trying to partition Jul 09 01:24:09 in this HOWTO, they're creating an ext2 and a VFAT partition. What's the point of the VFAT partition? Jul 09 01:25:53 so that the automatic stuff which mounts the card still works, and you can use that vfat bit in the normal file manager GUI Jul 09 01:31:00 how large of a partition do you recommend be VFAT? Jul 09 01:31:36 completely up to you Jul 09 01:32:10 if i want to use the mmc card for video files and mp3s, those would be stored in ext2 or vfat? Jul 09 01:36:40 vfat Jul 09 01:37:00 vfat is what the device will think is your mmc card Jul 09 01:37:08 while the ext2 is what will be the OS flash Jul 09 01:39:13 for 2gb, i made the partitions 1,45000,6 and 45001,, Jul 09 01:39:27 and i got 1.37gb of space for the 'mmc' Jul 09 01:39:32 and 300mb for apps Jul 09 01:40:21 i think i read your post on the forums trencher Jul 09 01:40:46 \o/? Jul 09 01:41:29 is the mmcmobile card vfat by default? Jul 09 01:42:51 don't think so Jul 09 01:42:54 mine came RAW Jul 09 01:42:59 i formatted it fat Jul 09 01:43:10 then repartitioned it fat/ext2 Jul 09 01:43:11 wouldn't ext2 have better performance than vfat? Jul 09 01:43:26 possibly, but the devices only take fat cards Jul 09 01:43:27 when accessing video files for example Jul 09 01:44:51 :( i can't get the vmware image to work.. meh Jul 09 01:48:29 I think that there is no ext2 module in the kernel by default, IIRC Jul 09 01:49:15 hey Jul 09 01:49:41 anyone have any experience in setting up the SDK for maemo Jul 09 01:49:56 I'm following the tutorials and ran into a snag Jul 09 01:51:44 I've got Xephyr installed, along with scratchbox Jul 09 01:52:16 when I go to run " af-sb-init.sh start" it can't find the shell script Jul 09 01:52:43 lol i can't even get the prepackaged one to work Jul 09 01:52:48 trencher, how come u only have 1.37gb of space for the mmc? Jul 09 01:52:58 er, mb Jul 09 01:53:03 something may have gone wrong with the scratchbox setup as none of the tutorial instructions matched the commands in scratchboox Jul 09 01:53:08 actually no, gb Jul 09 01:53:13 cuz the rest went to the OS Jul 09 01:53:25 so true capacity of 2gb is 1.67gb? Jul 09 01:53:30 no Jul 09 01:53:38 i had 300mb after the os Jul 09 01:53:42 the os takes up space too Jul 09 01:53:52 oh. are you using a swap file or partition? Jul 09 01:53:57 file Jul 09 01:54:02 how large? Jul 09 01:54:05 64mb Jul 09 01:54:10 on the vfat Jul 09 01:54:21 why on the vfat? Jul 09 01:54:48 cuz it's supposed to be on the card and you can't put it in the flash (ext2) Jul 09 02:03:48 2gb = 2000mb... Jul 09 02:25:45 can anyone here compile something small for me for the 770? Jul 09 02:26:37 i got that indt sdk image, but it won't start properly.. Jul 09 02:26:54 i've been trying to find out how to fix the errors, but there's not very much support for this image Jul 09 02:34:18 Okay Jul 09 02:34:20 I finally did it Jul 09 02:34:30 an editorial video on "The N800 is NOT a phone!" Jul 09 02:35:01 lol Jul 09 02:35:15 I take a dig at one of the popular phones of the day in the middle of the video Jul 09 02:35:20 Hope the YouTube icon turns into that part Jul 09 02:35:21 hehe Jul 09 02:38:52 :( Jul 09 02:41:01 noone? Jul 09 02:43:13 lol Jul 09 02:43:24 :( don't lol at me... Jul 09 02:43:33 i fail hard at linux Jul 09 02:44:04 no worries. so do i Jul 09 02:44:29 like someone with agoraphobia trying to go outside for the first time tripping on the doorstep and smashing their face... Jul 09 02:44:56 haha Jul 09 02:46:27 * Trencher emo cry Jul 09 02:47:52 I wish my hair was emo Jul 09 02:47:57 then it would just cut ITSELF Jul 09 02:48:05 ... Jul 09 02:48:07 * Trencher cricket Jul 09 02:48:20 wonder if n800 skype includes smilies. especially (emo) Jul 09 02:48:28 ugh Jul 09 02:48:59 btw maemoscrobbler 0.1.0 is ready. now gotta add support for it in ukmp and send in a patch. Jul 09 02:49:21 I just tested it. (emo) works Jul 09 02:49:37 best skype smiley Jul 09 02:49:37 ugh Jul 09 02:50:00 can either of u compile for me? i don't know what i can offer in trade... Jul 09 02:51:40 i've been coding for 10 hours now, kinda want to go to bed Jul 09 02:57:29 Video uploaded. Processing now. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Jul 09 02:59:59 2007