**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jul 21 02:59:58 2007 Jul 21 03:42:13 got it.. don't understand the nuances, untarring the hamachi package to the media card sets the file permissions to user:root.. and ./install results in permission denied. When I did the same in /home/user/MyDocs/.documents, the file permissions come from the tar (1003:100) and it works. Jul 21 03:42:48 I don't know does it have something to do with the way the media device is mounted? Jul 21 03:44:37 the memory card is mounted "noexec" Jul 21 03:44:58 so you can't execute anything on it. also, since it's fat permissions/ownerships won't stick Jul 21 03:49:17 thanks disq great info Jul 21 04:14:00 That's another few stores I've found stocking n800's in australia... Jul 21 04:14:31 Has there been any news? I want to get one but I'd rather get it with a valid warranty. Jul 21 04:42:13 sciboy: what kind of news? Jul 21 04:43:13 keesj, About a release in australia, whether there is any dates or anything, because I've found it listed on the nokia site as "upcoming", singapore had their own release and all these shops are starting to pop up with it. Jul 21 04:44:13 hey Jul 21 04:45:35 <- just released a new and improved maemoscrobbler (0.1.2) Jul 21 04:57:07 cool! Jul 21 04:57:29 disq: does it do radio ? Jul 21 04:58:06 no. but there are two other packages for last.fm radio (maemo-fm and one more) Jul 21 04:58:12 check the maemo garage for details Jul 21 04:58:50 mm, will do Jul 21 04:59:17 I installed maemoscrobbler yesterday but only to find out that it requires player support Jul 21 04:59:29 (but I don't know what player supports it) Jul 21 04:59:56 currently only kagu does Jul 21 05:00:16 also there's a diff for UKMP in the ukmp garage tracker Jul 21 05:00:29 kagu is https://www.guardiani.us/projects/kagu Jul 21 05:08:59 anyway, night Jul 21 05:14:03 is there any way to programatically turn on the led on the n800 with python? Jul 21 05:22:18 sciboy: so long after the initial relase? Jul 21 05:22:50 keesj, Yup. Jul 21 05:23:25 keesj, I mean, the singapore release came out of the middle of no where, and it makes sense that they'd test the waters first. Jul 21 08:43:28 AHA i'm not the only one who can't log into maemo.org "derfBecause I can't log in. // derf I mean, to downloads.maemo.org. // derf It refuses to log me in with my garage account. Jul 21 08:45:56 am I right thinking that I cannot connect to a wifi network with hidden ssid? I can't find where I can type ssid, I can only select it from list of found networks... hm (nokia n800) Jul 21 08:48:27 interesting Jul 21 08:48:36 i thought hidden ssid nets would show up in the list Jul 21 08:50:07 but hey, hidden ssid is hidden Jul 21 08:52:55 give me a sec while I reconfigure my SSID to be hidden and try to connect to it :-) Jul 21 08:56:03 ok, as expected I lost my connection to the chat. Now it's time to try to connect to the AP Jul 21 08:56:44 and I have connected with no problems Jul 21 08:56:54 so yes, you can connect to hidden SSIDs Jul 21 08:57:03 (as long as you know them and the rest of data Jul 21 08:59:12 :) Jul 21 08:59:35 is that information enough? Jul 21 09:02:16 gomiam, "as long as you know them" <- do you mean I have to specify them somewhere or they show up in the list automagically? Jul 21 09:02:59 checking the connection creation wizard Jul 21 09:03:08 hold on Jul 21 09:03:19 I have configured my AP to hide the SSID Jul 21 09:03:31 but I have the AP data set in my N800 Jul 21 09:03:46 oh, that's maybe why Jul 21 09:03:56 when it searchs for SSIDs it automatically broadcasts a request for my hidden network Jul 21 09:04:03 and my AP answers accordingly Jul 21 09:04:16 I cannot configure AP here, it is in closed room and sysadms are home today (satursday)... all I can do is follow documentation Jul 21 09:05:07 and you can set a WiFi connection up without being able to see it. Just set it as a hidden network Jul 21 09:05:45 (for example, that's the standard way the wizard works when trying to set a connection up in connectionless mode) Jul 21 09:06:34 the wizard finds it can't scan for SSIDs and tells you to set to connection up by hand. Jul 21 09:07:16 is that enough info? :-) Jul 21 09:07:59 oh yes it worked Jul 21 09:08:02 thank you Jul 21 09:08:17 i forgot about that control panel... tried to do things from wifi statusbar icon ^^; Jul 21 09:09:40 yay Jul 21 09:09:58 * gomiam does little happy dance. Floor tiles groan under the stress... Jul 21 09:11:38 why? Jul 21 09:12:54 you don't want 100Kg+ prancing on you either :-D Jul 21 09:13:34 kg? I just heard somebody said kg *hides his lunch break made of big pizza* Jul 21 09:14:15 as in Kilogram, (that what is known to be about 2.2 pounds) Jul 21 09:14:22 :-P Jul 21 09:14:37 pizza? Jul 21 09:14:43 nyam nyam Jul 21 09:14:54 yeah, with chicken, double layer of cheeze, tomato and stuff.. Jul 21 09:15:00 * gomiam stalks rittyan Jul 21 09:15:10 long way to go) I live far away Jul 21 09:17:16 on unrelated matters, what would you think of someone who writes a self-help newsletter starting to repeat himself after a year? :-D Jul 21 09:18:46 rittyan: unless you live in the Antartic base you aren't probably far away enough :-P Jul 21 09:19:25 (and that's just because it's dark over there in winter) Jul 21 09:20:14 wow, Ted Tso posts to the maemo-users mailing list Jul 21 09:20:37 ! Jul 21 09:21:42 i think all the linux gurus should have tablets :) Jul 21 09:23:30 gomiam, well.. okay I give up :-D Jul 21 09:25:14 pupnik: I would be happy enough with all tablets having gurus (that would make me one automagically) Jul 21 09:25:22 linux gurus, that is Jul 21 09:27:11 i need a guru Jul 21 09:27:47 a) someone who can port a virtual onscreen keyboard and figure out a way to bring it up ontop of fullscreen sdl programs Jul 21 09:28:00 b) someone to port SquidgeSNES or DrPocketSnes Jul 21 09:28:12 c) someone to port Picodrive Genesis emulator Jul 21 09:28:36 i can make the list arbitrarily long :) Jul 21 09:28:39 port as in "port to Maemo", right? Jul 21 09:28:40 :-D Jul 21 09:29:06 yeah it shouldn't be that hard... those emus are running on gp2x (ARM920t) Jul 21 09:29:07 pupnik, why not zsnes? Jul 21 09:29:13 zsnes is x86 asm Jul 21 09:29:23 ouch Jul 21 09:29:58 port bochs then too Jul 21 09:30:05 if they're a guru, it shouldn't matter to them Jul 21 09:30:11 (please ignore my name at this point) Jul 21 09:30:20 yay! Only two more Ultrastar packs to go :-D Jul 21 09:30:20 I have dosbox running ok. Also Snes9x http://pupnik.de/snes9x_maemo.tgz Jul 21 09:30:56 dosbox? Jul 21 09:30:56 <_Monkey> somebody said dosbox was about as fast as an ibm xt Jul 21 09:30:57 now _that_ could be fun, porting Ultrastar to Maemo Jul 21 09:31:15 dosbox running on a tablet... that could be interesting Jul 21 09:31:17 _Monkey: fast enough for me to run Nibbler then :-D Jul 21 09:31:17 <_Monkey> gomiam: i'm not following you... Jul 21 09:31:33 Prince of persia is playable Jul 21 09:31:33 <_Monkey> i already had it that way, pupnik. Jul 21 09:31:41 _Monkey: Ultrastar is a Singstar clone Jul 21 09:31:42 <_Monkey> OK, gomiam. Jul 21 09:32:06 * rittyan wishes to have nintendo ds as well :< Jul 21 09:32:10 being able to run it on Maemo would be fun IMO Jul 21 09:32:29 dosbox is http://pupnik.de/dosbox_maemo_065_001.tgz Jul 21 09:32:45 dosbox? Jul 21 09:32:46 <_Monkey> somebody said dosbox was about as fast as an ibm xt Jul 21 09:32:53 _Monkey: forget dosbox Jul 21 09:32:53 <_Monkey> pupnik: I forgot dosbox Jul 21 09:33:17 will it run on a 770? Jul 21 09:33:18 dosbox is about as fast as an IBM XT/AT, available at http://pupnik.de/dosbox_maemo_065_001.tgz Jul 21 09:33:25 _Monkey dosbox is about as fast as an IBM XT/AT, available at http://pupnik.de/dosbox_maemo_065_001.tgz Jul 21 09:33:26 <_Monkey> i already had it that way, pupnik. Jul 21 09:33:30 yes Jul 21 09:33:33 great Jul 21 09:33:38 dosbox? Jul 21 09:33:39 <_Monkey> dosbox is about as fast as an IBM XT/AT, available at http://pupnik.de/dosbox_maemo_065_001.tgz Jul 21 09:36:08 * zuh . o O ( Dune II on a N800... hmmm... ) Jul 21 09:36:21 pupnik: did you have to twiddle the sources? Jul 21 09:37:03 Not for 0.65 0.70 will need some work Jul 21 09:37:11 zuh: OMG Jul 21 09:37:24 I think I still have the disk dumps around :- Jul 21 09:37:26 :-D Jul 21 09:38:43 there's a guy who is looking into dynamic recompilation for x86-arm Jul 21 09:38:50 not holding my breath for it though Jul 21 09:40:49 Dune II: "While official requirements are a 386/16 with 3MB of RAM, I found it plays very nicely on a 286/10, too" Jul 21 09:40:54 that might be playable Jul 21 09:41:52 lol Jul 21 09:42:31 pupnik: it _was_ playable Jul 21 09:42:45 you only needed to wait 20 minutes for the two last levels to load Jul 21 09:42:46 :-D Jul 21 09:43:36 * zuh still remembers how there was time to read a comic book while C64 games loaded Jul 21 09:43:43 From the tapes Jul 21 09:44:10 heh, all my brother's friends came home to take advantage of us having a double tape radiocassette Jul 21 09:44:11 Ah, the good old days. Jul 21 09:44:26 even though we didn't even have a microcomputer Jul 21 09:44:36 The good old moss-covered days Jul 21 09:45:45 I still have my 386. I haven't had the heart to throw it away. Too bad our C64 has burned something, it would be nice to play some REALLY old games for a change Jul 21 09:47:54 http://pupnik.de/frodo_c64_emu_on_770.jpg Jul 21 09:48:34 the frodo guys are working on a SDL menu (forever now)... I ported the tcl/tk menu to the nokia but it's pretty dodgy Jul 21 09:48:42 I meant "for real" ;) Jul 21 09:48:57 morning Jul 21 09:49:00 It's just not the same without real hw :P Jul 21 09:49:23 * gomiam ponders the wiseness of buying a Bluetooth keyboard Jul 21 09:49:57 hmm. 9 euro for a c64 on ebay... http://cgi.ebay.de/Commodore-C64-Brotkasten_W0QQitemZ110149231786QQihZ001QQcategoryZ3544QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Jul 21 09:50:40 c64 is so legendary thing, I actually have one still somewhere stored carefully ;) Jul 21 09:50:55 i hated the keyboard Jul 21 09:50:59 With floppy + tape ;) Jul 21 09:51:33 Keyb was mostly useless, imho. Jul 21 09:52:18 gomiam: a bluetooth keyboard completely transforms the tablet imo. i would not go back to vkbd Jul 21 09:52:47 but they are _expensive_ Jul 21 09:52:53 pupnik, vkbd = one hand... bt kbd = you have to put tablet somewhere Jul 21 09:52:54 around EUR100 Jul 21 09:53:15 yeah i paid 100 eu. Jul 21 09:53:15 rittyan: so vkbd and btkbd have their different moments Jul 21 09:53:21 no problem with that for me :-) Jul 21 09:53:37 gomiam, yes but I wouldn't use btkbd on bus stop for example Jul 21 09:53:38 even though I would use one hand to hold both kbd and tablet :-D Jul 21 09:54:06 it shouldn't be that difficult with the N800 Jul 21 09:54:19 it may be fine if you are an acrobat Jul 21 09:54:32 the thinkoutside stowaway has a clip that could be modified to firmly hold the nokia Jul 21 09:55:14 i usually have a backpack or attache-style case with me, so i put that on my lap Jul 21 09:55:15 pupnik, isn't it dangerous? Jul 21 09:55:36 to let something else hold your nokia instead of your hands Jul 21 09:55:46 has anybody tried the Targus Thumbpad? Jul 21 09:56:10 the clip is a removable piece of plastic. I imagine you could bend a piece of sheet metal and screw or glue it to the clip Jul 21 09:56:16 http://www.optize.es/servlet/TARGUS_BLUETOOTH_THUMBPAD_FOR_SMARTPHONE_320999_optize.html Jul 21 09:56:25 don't worry about the text, it's Spanish Jul 21 09:56:58 is there any delicious client for maemo? Jul 21 09:57:17 good price on that. but i can really type fast on the stowaway Jul 21 09:57:43 yeah, this one is a one-finger solution :-) Jul 21 09:58:35 Hey - I am looking for something to connect to the serial console Jul 21 09:59:05 is there any source for these plugs or at least some mobile cable tat can be modified? Jul 21 09:59:53 I need it to see what my kernel says when booting ;) Jul 21 10:02:37 I think there is somewhere a description of the pins Jul 21 10:02:47 ya Jul 21 10:02:58 I got it - but i need fomething to connect to them Jul 21 10:03:11 I do not want to solder wires onto them Jul 21 10:04:05 heh, I found the Nokia Bluetook GPS at EUR89 Jul 21 10:04:19 I may even think about buying it too :-D Jul 21 10:04:35 (most devices cost around the same anyway) Jul 21 10:04:58 hold that Jul 21 10:05:04 there's a EUR60 item available Jul 21 10:05:12 bye bye Nokia :-) Jul 21 10:05:22 blkhawk: Well, the only option then is to make a "head" for the cable (say, poking wires trough some foam/plastic or something) and do some tape magic to make it stay in place ;) Jul 21 10:05:33 found some profiling (oprofile) and ARM optimization code... svn checkout http://arm1136j-s.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/ arm1136j-s Jul 21 10:10:16 zuh: good idea Jul 21 10:10:19 ma some small nails and a piece of styrofoam Jul 21 10:11:40 * blkhawk is away buing stuff Jul 21 10:15:48 * pupnik misses Tak and ssvb and tko Jul 21 10:19:10 * rittyan syncs tree of sources for like a hour... nothing to do at work Jul 21 10:26:56 * zuh starts up colonization Jul 21 10:27:57 good morning Jul 21 10:28:22 Hmm, make that Colonization to avoid global panic (no, I'm not going to take over the world ;) Jul 21 10:33:28 colonization the game Jul 21 10:33:29 ? Jul 21 10:34:02 Yeah Jul 21 10:35:04 Didn't wait for it to start a game though (took forever). There's something wrong with the mouse coordinates... Jul 21 10:44:07 if dosbox is using sdl relative mouse movement, i need to change that to absolute Jul 21 10:44:17 right now i'm doing graphics benchmarking Jul 21 10:48:27 I guess Colonization would be playable if the mouse would track properly Jul 21 10:49:24 this is the first report i've heard of the problem Jul 21 10:49:32 can you try another mouse game to confirm? Jul 21 10:49:48 I'm using the vanilla sources btw Jul 21 10:50:16 0.65 or 0.7? Jul 21 10:50:39 0.65 Jul 21 10:53:48 do you want to do the mouse fix? Jul 21 10:55:42 If by "do" you mean "investigate sources and code it" then no, don't have time for that (leaving today for a trip, coming back next week). But if you mean "apply a patch and test", then I'm game :) Jul 21 10:56:57 ah ok Jul 21 10:57:13 another thing to do Jul 21 10:57:19 Hmm, what should I set fullresolution to? Jul 21 11:02:33 And I did test with both TIM and Colony, same behaviour Jul 21 11:02:40 ok thanks Jul 21 11:02:58 i've addressed this in another SDL game and it's not too hard Jul 21 11:03:14 The y coordinate seems to have some scaling factor relative to the center by the looks of it Jul 21 11:06:10 yeah variable scaling needs to be addressed Jul 21 11:06:20 RESULT: fill_opaque (256 frames in 2.1302 seconds): 120.1737 FPS Jul 21 11:06:36 RESULT: blend_opaque (256 frames in 4.7225 seconds): 54.2085 FPS Jul 21 11:07:07 RESULT: blend_transp24 (256 frames in 16.5207 seconds): 15.4957 FPS Jul 21 11:07:21 RESULT: blend_transp32 (256 frames in 15.3529 seconds): 16.6744 FPS Jul 21 11:07:40 RESULT: blend_transp16_8 (256 frames in 11.3701 seconds): 22.5153 FPS Jul 21 11:23:15 RESULT: blend_transp24 (256 frames in 16.5207 seconds): 22.4513 FPS Jul 21 11:23:29 bah Jul 21 11:34:14 arm9_memcpy() memory bandwidth (align=0, size=4096): 128.60MB/s Jul 21 11:34:19 N770 Jul 21 11:34:47 N800 arm11_memcpy() memory bandwidth (align=0, size=4096): 335.13MB/s Jul 21 11:35:33 * rittyan will play with python + delicious api + glade Jul 21 11:35:56 at least I am in mood now.. and I hope I will be in mood after 5 hourses, when I get home Jul 21 11:45:34 "hourses"? is that animauls with four leugs? :-P Jul 21 11:46:07 you must be hungry Jul 21 11:46:16 or, ... *cough* nm Jul 21 11:47:51 :-D Jul 21 11:49:20 hours :-D Jul 21 11:49:34 a weird typo is weird x_x wonder what have I thought of Jul 21 11:49:46 "hourses" = "hours" in Gollum-speak Jul 21 11:49:51 precioussssss hoursessss Jul 21 11:49:55 :) Jul 21 11:50:44 memcpy speeds vary tremendously between the different implementations, sizes and alignments Jul 21 11:54:13 pupnik: any idea what the cycles value would ideally be? Jul 21 11:55:35 i've been testing games around 800, and using 100 and 100 for cycleup and down Jul 21 11:55:53 i've seen playable results up to 3000, but i don't know how much sense that makes Jul 21 11:56:07 you can keep "top" running in a ssh window to look at how inc/dec cycles affects cpu load Jul 21 11:57:43 What's CurMode->sheight and cheight? Jul 21 11:59:04 duno. Jul 21 12:08:09 I can't believe there's no food in the fuggin' house. Jul 21 12:13:43 this is what boxes of ramen in the closet are for Jul 21 12:13:52 :) Jul 21 12:14:10 2:00am last night. I finally got my libosso binding to stop seg faulting. Jul 21 12:14:22 It was the weirdest thing. Jul 21 12:16:10 /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/irb/slex.rb:36: [BUG] Segmentation fault. Jul 21 12:17:52 Crap .. Wrong channel. Jul 21 12:19:58 hmm Jul 21 12:20:05 setting up sdk on another box Jul 21 12:20:13 ubuntu feisty Jul 21 12:20:20 what to do when xephyr crashes ? Jul 21 12:20:31 segmentation fault, i have no other package version available :( Jul 21 12:21:26 i test on the device Jul 21 12:30:00 pupnik, how do you do that may I ask? NFS? Jul 21 12:30:08 SSH/NFS? Jul 21 12:30:24 no i just scp the stuff over Jul 21 12:30:28 Urgh Jul 21 12:30:36 That's a bit fiddly :D Jul 21 12:31:05 i think i need a different kernel for nfs Jul 21 12:31:12 Yeah. Jul 21 12:31:17 Maybe samba then :D Jul 21 12:31:32 Or .. Can the N800 read mmc card when the cable is plugged in? Jul 21 12:31:51 no Jul 21 12:31:57 sshfs. Jul 21 12:32:16 Figures, on a completely different note. Is there a good news group reader for maemo/n800 ? Jul 21 12:32:30 yea, sshfs is the way to go Jul 21 12:37:15 sprinkle a little dnotify on top and you could skip the manual copy stage :P Jul 21 12:37:29 well or sshfs Jul 21 12:38:46 but that's too simple Jul 21 12:59:08 dyslexia can be fun... i just typed 'sodbox'. which applies rather well Jul 21 13:05:34 hello all Jul 21 13:06:28 i m sorry for such stupid question , please tell me how to hard reset nokia 770 Jul 21 13:06:58 for 'hard reset', i turn it off by holding down the power button Jul 21 13:07:31 but it will only turn devie off wont it? Jul 21 13:07:45 right. then i turn it on with the power button Jul 21 13:07:57 Savi_Bot, you can reflash it I think Jul 21 13:08:12 but i need tio return it to the factory settings Jul 21 13:08:24 that's basically what reflashing means Jul 21 13:08:55 esine i need linux ? any chance doing it with win? Jul 21 13:09:20 I thought you could do it within the device Jul 21 13:09:23 i have win on my notebook Jul 21 13:09:25 if not, google Jul 21 13:10:36 is it os 2007 already available for 770? Jul 21 13:10:56 only an unstable version that doesn't work properly Jul 21 13:10:56 i would like to reflash on it Jul 21 13:11:13 any decent changes there? Jul 21 13:12:10 ok i go read maemo.org . have a good day Jul 21 13:13:14 i don't see many benefits to running os2007he Jul 21 13:14:16 we would need more people working on it, and packaging.. it is not easy to pull together i think Jul 21 13:18:36 how do i install tar.bz2 files? Jul 21 13:18:55 tar xjvf file.tar.bz2 will unpack it Jul 21 13:19:13 ok thanx Jul 21 13:19:33 i type it in xterm right? Jul 21 13:19:56 yes Jul 21 13:37:14 dosbox065 no liek it2007he :( Jul 21 13:38:26 i didn't get around to trying it yet becaue i have no idea what i'll run Jul 21 13:38:37 trying dune2 now Jul 21 13:39:04 most of the games i can think of already run Jul 21 13:39:37 in what Jul 21 13:40:12 on it2006 Jul 21 13:42:06 well it's been 4 minutes since starting dune 2 Jul 21 13:53:53 hello. Is there a way to 1)know 2)test the software you'll get with a nokia n800 ? Jul 21 13:54:33 ahhh dune... the precursor of rts.. Jul 21 13:54:52 orzel: for 1) you can look in the official and community maemo repositories Jul 21 13:55:23 or was it herzog zwei.. Jul 21 13:55:36 for 2) I'm not aware of an emulator, but perhaps you can try one at a shop somewhere (e.g. an airport electronics duty free shop?) Jul 21 13:56:13 rwhitby: if you install the sdk, you can test the applications it seems. But this is a difficult install. I can do it, but not everybody here who wanna test. Jul 21 13:56:40 rwhitby: http://guerby.org/ftp/dpkg-n800.txt <- this is the officiel n800 list, right? Jul 21 13:57:04 http://maemo.org/community/wiki/applicationcatalog2007/ <- and this would be the.. 'community' one? Jul 21 13:59:08 the community doesn't do a very good job of submitting stuff to a central repository Jul 21 14:00:21 most of it seems to be there though Jul 21 14:17:41 re Jul 21 14:17:51 hi Jul 21 14:17:54 i still have xephyr crashing Jul 21 14:17:56 so annoying Jul 21 14:18:02 http://www.arm.com/pdfs/DAI0034A_efficient_c.pdf <- for anyone interested in ARM assembly Jul 21 14:18:05 fresh feisty Jul 21 14:18:27 do you get error messages running login from /scratchbox? Jul 21 14:19:35 no Jul 21 14:19:55 xephyr just segfaults as described here : http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.maemo.devel/10480 Jul 21 14:24:59 as a quick comparison, have you tried the vmware image? Jul 21 14:25:58 no Jul 21 14:26:02 i have another box at work Jul 21 14:26:05 that works like a charm Jul 21 14:26:09 :/ Jul 21 14:26:34 gonna move to my workplace although it's the week end, will take less time than smacking the shit out of the opensource :D Jul 21 14:27:26 since i changed hardware, linux experience degraded dramaticaly Jul 21 14:55:43 back home Jul 21 15:00:31 orzel, my dpkg-n800.txt is probably not up to date for the latest firmware Jul 21 15:00:34 wb tigert Jul 21 15:11:02 I installed vnc viewer after flashing the most recent OS update..it cannot connect to my desktop real vnc server "connection failed"..my laptop logs on to my desktop fine..only n800 cannot do so..can anybody assist? Jul 21 15:19:16 hey guys Jul 21 15:19:17 I installed vnc viewer after flashing the most recent OS update..it cannot connect to my desktop real vnc server "connection failed"..my laptop logs on to my desktop fine..only n800 cannot do so..can anybody assist? Jul 21 15:19:35 the channel is mostly dead on weekends Jul 21 15:19:42 hehehe Jul 21 15:19:43 lol Jul 21 15:19:53 weekends? oh Jul 21 15:19:56 what day is it? Jul 21 15:20:00 we got lives beyond this channel ;P Jul 21 15:20:11 oh. saturday Jul 21 15:20:23 haha Jul 21 15:20:24 okay Jul 21 15:20:38 mine connects fine to tightvnc server Jul 21 15:20:41 i seriously didnt know. i had to alt tab to the terminal and run date. :\ Jul 21 15:21:34 extremely weird..laptop works fine with vnc viewer to vnc server..n800 problematic Jul 21 15:21:53 maybe user error? works fine for me Jul 21 15:22:32 maybe it is user error..reinstalled it twice..there goes my computer engineering degree down the toilet Jul 21 15:23:33 did you try giving the vncviewer the port or the screen id? like ip.address:0 or ip.address:defaultvncport (just guessing) Jul 21 15:23:35 also many people have been in guadec Jul 21 15:23:37 because you have computer engineering degree does not mean you can have errors Jul 21 15:23:58 which is still going on, plus people have summer vacations right now as well Jul 21 15:24:10 I am a UNIX engineer and still make mistake some times :P Jul 21 15:24:16 ya..could just be me..no offence seri Jul 21 15:24:21 guadec! yay! Jul 21 15:25:08 i tried 192.168.1.102 and 192.168.1.102:5900, should I include the password too? Jul 21 15:25:10 offence none taken! :) Jul 21 15:25:16 no Jul 21 15:25:25 5901 eh? Jul 21 15:25:27 try 192.168.1.102:0 Jul 21 15:25:39 or 192.168.1.102:1 Jul 21 15:25:42 it always says "connection failed" . Jul 21 15:25:44 okay..ill try that Jul 21 15:25:47 :1 Jul 21 15:25:50 or :0.1 Jul 21 15:26:46 hehe..while im waiting to boot up..I shoudl definitely peel off the factory screen protector and get a new one eh? Jul 21 15:26:59 If is new leave it there Jul 21 15:27:11 Works grate as a temp protector :) Jul 21 15:27:26 just remove the small peal tab Jul 21 15:28:42 okay..192.168.1.102:0 returns connection failed Jul 21 15:28:55 192.168.1.102:1 says unable to connect Jul 21 15:29:00 lets try :0.1 Jul 21 15:29:30 okay..connection failed..aihh Jul 21 15:36:54 i give up :P Jul 21 15:37:28 lol @ aihhh Jul 21 15:38:03 Mhhh maybe iptables is enable in the new firmware bydefault... ?!? Jul 21 15:39:16 try iptables -L Jul 21 15:39:19 see what you get Jul 21 15:51:08 doesnt seem to work..nevermind seri..thanks anyway Jul 21 16:11:12 just built libconic0 on maemo2.2. will try if it works Jul 21 16:14:13 man I am so bored Jul 21 16:14:35 Dont want to upgrade my tablet to the latest firmware untill the flash card issue is reolve Jul 21 16:14:46 resolved* Jul 21 17:04:05 timeless: are you in? Jul 21 17:51:00 wow. the 770 is still so useful. i didn't recall it being so good (i have the n800 for 6 months now) Jul 21 17:57:08 compiled/signed n800 versions of curl/libcurl and libconic0 (which isn't available on the 770) and uploading right now Jul 21 18:51:57 ok I still need the source code image from the 1.1 SDK Jul 21 19:51:34 hi there Jul 21 19:51:52 i need some help with the package manager :( Jul 21 19:52:48 whats your problem? Jul 21 19:53:06 apt-get upgrade quiets with the error-message: Error occureed while processing matchbox-window-manager (NewVersion1) Jul 21 19:53:22 i am running os2007he on a n770 Jul 21 19:53:33 tried flushing your cache? Jul 21 19:53:49 no, how can I do that? Jul 21 19:54:49 no idea - you will have to look it up yorself :) Jul 21 19:55:06 lol, ok thanks :D Jul 21 19:55:20 less memory fails:apt-cache flush Jul 21 19:55:38 do you know wheater upgrading the bootloader on a prototype 770 will break it? Jul 21 19:56:59 apt-cache flush, same error: Error occureed while processing matchbox-window-manager (NewVersion1) Jul 21 19:57:21 then I guess memory fails... :( Jul 21 19:57:45 hmm Jul 21 20:00:19 any idea why all the howtoes for kernel compiling insist on doing it with dpkg-buildpackage? Jul 21 20:00:38 Why can't i just get a crosscomplier, patch the kernel and then compile it? Jul 21 20:00:52 why do i need the whole scratchbox she-bang? Jul 21 20:10:57 i need Maemo_Dev_Platform_RS_v1.1_arm.tgz Jul 21 20:11:19 anybody got access to the repository it in? the file seems chmodded unreadable Jul 21 20:12:18 I really do need that file Jul 21 20:13:08 i only have 2.0 Jul 21 20:13:15 2.0rc16 that is Jul 21 20:13:27 :/ Jul 21 20:13:33 I cannot update to 2.0 Jul 21 20:13:34 (oh also found 2.2 and 3.0) Jul 21 20:13:41 ya Jul 21 20:13:45 mut i need 1.1 Jul 21 20:13:50 why do you need the itos2005 files? Jul 21 20:14:01 http://repository.maemo.org/stable/ Jul 21 20:14:13 disq: I have a prototype n770 Jul 21 20:14:18 ah Jul 21 20:14:24 I have been warned against swapping the bootloaders Jul 21 20:14:47 unfortunately this channel is dead on weekends Jul 21 20:15:07 disq: i hadn't had much look under the week either :( Jul 21 20:15:28 doyou know who has access to the repository and can chmod it right for me? Jul 21 20:15:49 you can mail ferenc Jul 21 20:15:54 he's not on right now though Jul 21 20:28:07 :) Jul 21 20:32:03 hey X-Fade Jul 21 20:51:47 hi there Jul 21 20:51:47 <_Monkey> hi, maxf Jul 21 20:52:03 nice to see there's a maemo channel Jul 21 20:52:28 ... where I can complain about my n800 not working ;) Jul 21 20:53:38 so. It seems that my removable card reader does not read cards. Jul 21 20:54:14 internal one works, and swapping cards does not change anything. Jul 21 20:54:40 * maxf suspects a hardware fault and wonders if it's common Jul 21 21:06:38 is the default root pw for n800 really rootme? doesn't seem to work Jul 21 21:07:18 * sciboy giggles. Jul 21 21:08:26 yeah, it is maxf Jul 21 21:08:47 worked for me yesterday Jul 21 21:09:30 hm, I must have changed something when flashing then Jul 21 21:10:27 aha! victory Jul 21 21:10:38 ssh root@localhost, of course Jul 21 21:15:17 hello folks Jul 21 21:17:14 bah, no /dev/mmcblk1 :( Jul 21 21:17:21 hi Jul 21 21:17:21 <_Monkey> hey, maxf Jul 21 21:18:04 umm where in the new mozilla browser is this advanced menu to switch between opera and it? Jul 21 21:24:03 how to browse the repos manually? I dont have wifi and want to install the mono VM on the 770 Jul 21 21:24:51 Okko: depends Jul 21 21:25:08 wow there were so many n800s at GUADEC Jul 21 21:25:11 Okko: I don't think we've quite figured out why it appears for some people and not for others Jul 21 21:25:13 just about everyone had one in hand Jul 21 21:25:30 Okko: actually I'm not sure if it's supposed to be at the bottom of the main menu or under tools either Jul 21 21:25:58 sp3000: I tried to install it twice, it said "Install failed", on third it the install succeeded. The error messages changed to mozilla ones and drag&drop started to work, so it looks like mozilla is now in use. Jul 21 21:26:07 meh, who killed maemo.org Jul 21 21:26:30 and my home page address was overwritten.. Jul 21 21:26:37 but no changes in the menus at all Jul 21 21:27:09 Okko: so if you shut down the browser, and edit /home/user/.browser and change hidden=true the "Set Engine" menu should show up Jul 21 21:27:48 why hidden=true means showing a menu item is beyond me ;) Jul 21 21:28:49 Okko: dunno why install would have failed, but I suppose since maemo.org is down atm it could have been an outage Jul 21 21:29:49 hey - does anyomne know about some Power management stuff running in userspace? Jul 21 21:55:45 evening, trying to get xchat on a newly flashed n800 Jul 21 21:55:59 http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/wp/archives/2007/02/08/x-chat-strikes-back/ <-- install link doesnt work - just opens as text in the browser Jul 21 21:56:24 anyone know of an alternate souce for xchat, or some other irc client? (not a CLI one preferably) Jul 21 21:56:53 RJ-laptop: open up application manager, add this as a repository Jul 21 21:57:08 http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/maemo / bora / free Jul 21 21:57:44 RJ-laptop: menu - tools - app catalogue. new, name is as x-chat, url to the address box Jul 21 21:57:58 leave the distribution as bora, enter "free" in the components box Jul 21 21:58:09 k Jul 21 21:58:34 then, package maemo-xchat should be there in browse installable applications (refresh the list first) Jul 21 21:58:44 i got this info from the .install file btw :P Jul 21 21:59:40 yeah wasnt sure what combo of bora/free/user/blah to put in the other boxes Jul 21 21:59:41 thanks Jul 21 21:59:58 tried to edit the sources.list, but leafpad or whatever editor i found didnt let me save back to /etc/apt/ Jul 21 22:01:07 thanks disq, that did the trick Jul 21 22:01:41 it won't, because you need root access to write to /etc/apt i think. and apps run as "user" Jul 21 22:01:59 anyone with a sbox from gregalle SDK? Jul 21 22:02:11 NeoStrider: yep Jul 21 22:03:00 disq...can you do me a favor: please...download with apt the mono-runtime binary? I want to use with my N770 and I dont have wifi right now Jul 21 22:03:29 can you do this for me please? Jul 21 22:03:35 okay Jul 21 22:03:41 hmm, guess i better get myself root too Jul 21 22:04:01 sp3000: thanks for the tip, then I just need a way to edit .browser.. :) Jul 21 22:04:04 to do this, add "deb http://go-mono.com/maemo mistral user" /etc/apt/sources.list inside sbox Jul 21 22:04:10 RJ-laptop: after installing openssh or dropbear, "ssh root@127.1" in the xterm works Jul 21 22:05:41 NeoStrider: installing mono-runtime Jul 21 22:05:53 though my conn is a little flaky Jul 21 22:05:58 ta, i'll do that next Jul 21 22:06:07 disq, to download it, use apt-get -d install mono-runtime Jul 21 22:06:17 so it will just download it without installing Jul 21 22:07:00 ok, but why do you need the sdk environment for? Jul 21 22:07:24 so it will fool the repo that you're using a ARM architecture Jul 21 22:07:35 can you tell me the nome of the .deb file? Jul 21 22:08:21 mono-runtime_1.2.3.1-3_armel.deb Jul 21 22:08:28 thanks!!! Jul 21 22:08:31 :) Jul 21 22:08:49 should be in /pool/mistral/somewhere/somewhere/m/ i think Jul 21 22:09:10 /m/ ? Jul 21 22:09:34 $ wget http://go-mono.com/maemo/dists/mistral/user/binary-armel/mono-runtime_1.2.3.1-3_armel.deb Jul 21 22:09:36 dunno, isn't that how they're kept? though would depend on the repo configuration i think Jul 21 22:09:44 9:08:57 ERRO 404: Not Found. Jul 21 22:10:29 try go.mono.com/maemo/pool/mistral/user/m/mono-runtime* Jul 21 22:11:02 Name or service not known. Jul 21 22:11:10 erm go-mono. nm it's 404 also Jul 21 22:11:37 being wifi-less sucks =-P Jul 21 22:13:42 NeoStrider: there's no http://go-mono.com/maemo/pool/user/, but pool/ exists Jul 21 22:14:33 the .install : Jul 21 22:14:34 [install] Jul 21 22:14:35 repo_name = Mono for Maemo Jul 21 22:14:35 repo_deb = deb http://go-mono.com/maemo mistral user Jul 21 22:14:35 repo_deb_3 = deb http://go-mono.com/maemo bora user Jul 21 22:14:35 package = mono-runtime Jul 21 22:14:46 repo_deb_3 must be Bora Jul 21 22:15:04 and repo_deb refers to mistral to gregalle Jul 21 22:15:17 timeless: in yet? Jul 21 22:16:49 NeoStrider: http://go-mono.com/maemo/dists/mistral/user/binary-armel/Packages.gz works Jul 21 22:17:15 NeoStrider: http://go-mono.com/maemo/pool/mono/mono-runtime_1.2.3.1-3_armel.deb Jul 21 22:17:27 sp3000: thanks, now I can see the engine selection! Jul 21 22:17:31 /mono/ Jul 21 22:17:40 I would never make it right! Jul 21 22:18:04 thank you very much, disq! Jul 21 22:18:25 np :) Jul 21 22:19:54 now I have a diferent problem Jul 21 22:20:03 the mono devkit doesnt show under sb-menu Jul 21 22:20:05 any tip? Jul 21 22:20:27 no idea on that one sorry Jul 21 22:21:54 I got it...hope it works... Jul 21 22:33:54 strange...the mono runtime on the 770 complained about a missing .dll Jul 21 22:34:29 mono is microsoft Jul 21 22:34:36 microsoft must die Jul 21 22:35:07 ummm Jul 21 22:35:09 hi Jul 21 22:35:10 <_Monkey> hello, Luria Jul 21 22:35:48 pupnik....yeah..its MS...but I already work with it during daytime...so...I will be easier for me to code hildon apps Jul 21 22:35:58 ok Jul 21 22:36:02 and mono works fine Jul 21 22:36:12 anyone use debian (or any linux) with fde? Jul 21 22:36:12 at least on my ubuntu desktop Jul 21 22:36:14 i had to do visual basic 6 on win98 in 2004 Jul 21 22:36:21 what is fde? Jul 21 22:36:25 i quit the job Jul 21 22:36:28 full disk encryption Jul 21 22:36:41 i forget what the actual package is called Jul 21 22:36:48 and what if you had used vb.net from mono? wouldnt it be better? Jul 21 22:36:58 on win98? Jul 21 22:37:20 vmware running a linux Jul 21 22:37:29 with office97? Jul 21 22:37:30 and mono .exe's does run under windows Jul 21 22:37:41 (you didnt specified it completly!) Jul 21 22:37:44 ok Jul 21 22:38:11 anyway Jul 21 22:38:23 mono is good under some circunstances Jul 21 22:38:27 you do many good things for the community NeoStrider, respect Jul 21 22:38:33 and of course...its alot faster than netbeans =-) Jul 21 22:38:44 me? Jul 21 22:38:55 yes i remember your name Jul 21 22:39:13 thanks...but I dont do anything that great Jul 21 22:39:21 maemowizard and angstron are crap Jul 21 22:39:22 hehe Jul 21 22:41:16 well Jul 21 22:41:21 thanks pupnik Jul 21 22:41:24 I must leave now Jul 21 22:41:35 thanks for you guys on the runtime thing Jul 21 23:01:06 Is Rhapsody really us only? :( Jul 21 23:21:47 <|tbb|> who knows how to use alarmtool, dont found a documentation Jul 21 23:24:20 carman intrigues me, but I don't know where to get a OBD-II Jul 21 23:33:48 timeless: r u back? Jul 21 23:34:17 Hmm - anyone interested in what my N800 looks like when it loses the 802.11 signal? Jul 21 23:34:33 timeless asked me to give him the details when it happened next. Jul 21 23:34:42 guuess he is not in today though. Jul 21 23:34:52 I <3 my N800 Jul 21 23:37:13 praise nokia Jul 21 23:37:34 it's a beautiful name too ... n o k i a Jul 21 23:37:54 reminds me of northern europeans... they are beautiful people Jul 21 23:40:36 <|tbb|__> anyone good at python Jul 21 23:41:11 no Jul 21 23:41:16 python = basic Jul 21 23:41:21 = java Jul 21 23:41:35 I wish java worked :( Jul 21 23:42:31 <|tbb|__> do u like to set an alarm which starts a mp3 music file on a specific date/time? Jul 21 23:44:47 What's the deal with Java - is it open source now? Jul 21 23:46:16 I'm running into some issues with playing Ogg video embedded on website, and people are telling me that installing the Java JRE helps out, but Sun has not (a) released a JRE for my architecture, nor (b) made it open source so the Linux community can port it. Jul 21 23:47:15 Java _is_ open source , and has been ported Jul 21 23:47:44 teer2, triy with http://jalimo.org/wiki/doku.php Jul 21 23:47:45 Hmm, I wonder when it will be part of the supported software of Ubuntu. Jul 21 23:48:18 uh, ubuntu Jul 21 23:48:23 sun-java-jre Jul 21 23:48:28 or something Jul 21 23:48:37 That's a multiverse, unsupported package. Jul 21 23:48:47 so? Jul 21 23:48:47 <_Monkey> rumour has it so is joost worth getting Jul 21 23:48:55 it's line non-free in Debian Jul 21 23:49:08 like* Jul 21 23:49:11 I'll stick with free. Jul 21 23:49:52 "unsupported" means they will not fix $NONFREESOFTWARE problems, because the can't modify the source Jul 21 23:50:14 Yeap. I'm good staying with the stuff that is known to work. Jul 21 23:50:47 heh, java is known to work :) Jul 21 23:51:04 If it was known to work then it would be supported. Jul 21 23:51:05 http://openjdk.java.net/ there's the source :) Jul 21 23:51:14 Sun supports java Jul 21 23:51:24 and is bigger than ubuntu Jul 21 23:52:00 Ubuntu does a good job keeping my computer running. Jul 21 23:52:29 yeah, and that's a lot of work xD Jul 21 23:52:38 If they aren't comfortable having Sun's software in their supported repository, then I'll stick with what they give me. Jul 21 23:52:49 hmm. Anyone gotten sip towards local asterisk working? (new communication beta) Jul 21 23:53:28 can't figure out the right params in sip.conf. Connection seems sort of established, but is hung up as soon as it's answered. Jul 21 23:54:38 Sun doesn't even have a JRE for my architecture, for heaven's sake. I know it won't work. Jul 21 23:55:13 Okay - sorry to go off topic - I was just looking for timeless anyway. I'll catch himlater. Jul 21 23:58:47 is there anything special to be done to switch on the usb host mode? Jul 21 23:58:57 I read i need to activate RD ode too? Jul 21 23:59:05 maybe some rd mode flag? Jul 22 00:01:22 I build two devices so far and both just don't work Jul 22 00:01:45 cortex a8 will basially be a p3 500mhz in your pocket, drawing 300mw power Jul 22 00:01:46 I mean aside from supplying 5v to whatever i put in them Jul 22 00:01:51 that is sex -- emu sex Jul 22 00:02:15 heh Jul 22 00:02:19 500mhz Jul 22 00:02:32 thats enough to emulate a n64 Jul 22 00:02:37 well almost ;) Jul 22 00:03:01 well ... it should be about 2x the n800 or better Jul 22 00:03:06 not counting the 3d Jul 22 00:03:18 (and who knows if nokia will do any 3d in the tablet) Jul 22 00:03:31 they have this gaming deal - they might cripple the opengl Jul 22 00:04:04 but if you look at dosbox or snes or even fceu Jul 22 00:04:16 you need about 4x the power of the n770 Jul 22 00:04:22 afaik nokia cannot Jul 22 00:04:39 there is licencing sillyness going on with the hardware manufacturer of the 3d chip Jul 22 00:04:47 yea Jul 22 00:04:52 but maybe for the n900 Jul 22 00:05:00 but thats just whati heard from a relyabe source ;) Jul 22 00:05:19 there is always openMoko :) Jul 22 00:05:19 i know they cant use the powervr in the n800 Jul 22 00:05:31 i don't care about 3d Jul 22 00:05:38 hell, forget gaming, I'd be happier with better video playback! Jul 22 00:05:57 bah mplayer rulez Jul 22 00:06:01 ssvb is god Jul 22 00:06:44 i play all 320x240 on 770 b3cause of ssvb and he is god, and the mplayer devels are gods Jul 22 00:07:35 and we all should thank them Jul 22 00:07:59 so send em a fruitbasket Jul 22 00:08:28 it's the most optimized app for the tablets Jul 22 00:08:30 mplayer Jul 22 00:08:55 it has to be Jul 22 00:09:04 it has to move lots of bits Jul 22 00:09:43 if i were that good, i would have emulators running at decent speed Jul 22 00:09:51 i will never ever be that good Jul 22 00:13:01 anyway - do you know anything about usb-host? Jul 22 00:37:28 Hello Jul 22 01:21:38 Hey all, any new news? Jul 22 02:14:28 hey guys..I just bought my n800..and only know basic linux..I connect to my browser fine, no problems browsing..however I am unable to ping myself from my desktop and laptop..ifconfig from n800 root says I am 192.168.1.103 Jul 22 02:14:46 can anybody help? am unable to use media stream and vncviewer Jul 22 02:15:26 I have the latest firmware installed Jul 22 02:46:39 hey guys - does the ssh client in dropbear allow ssh-keys ? Jul 22 02:47:58 I have been trying to get keys working for the last half hour, and I started to wonder if the feature was even there. No matter. Not a big deal. Jul 22 02:52:59 agogo: you may have to open ports on your firewall Jul 22 02:57:50 Radar, i've already opened 5900 (real vnc server default) for tne n800 ip..to no avail. Do i actually have to instal CIFS, so that my n800 joins my workgroup, in order for it to 'see' other computers in the network? Jul 22 02:59:38 a separate question, but still a newbie question. I downloaded CIFs to my Download foldr, buyt now I can't seem to find the Download folder. I have root access, but there is no download folder blow /home/user/MyDocs per instructions on Maemo wiki **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Jul 22 02:59:58 2007