**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jul 27 02:59:56 2007 Jul 27 03:04:31 it's been on and off since this afternoon Jul 27 03:04:36 they have reverse proxy in front Jul 27 03:04:40 and it seems to be having issues Jul 27 03:09:06 yeah Jul 27 03:09:16 I cant acess garage SVN for about 24 hours Jul 27 03:16:27 smw is working for you neo? Jul 27 03:16:42 NeoStrider, Jul 27 03:17:02 sorry Jul 27 03:17:07 desktop yes Jul 27 03:17:09 770 no Jul 27 03:17:15 aww man. Jul 27 03:17:22 so it only works on the n800 Jul 27 03:17:28 not a good thing... Jul 27 03:18:04 but works the way it should be or need hacking? Jul 27 03:18:35 http://www.flickr.com/photos/unique0nez/900249617/ Jul 27 03:18:38 screenies Jul 27 03:18:44 of windowed mode Jul 27 03:19:02 can't do a fullscreen.. Jul 27 03:19:05 not sure how. Jul 27 03:19:34 window mode sucks...missing 10 percent of the screen at the bottom Jul 27 03:20:49 the game is very funny! Jul 27 03:20:58 a friend of mine did a clone ,sometime ago, in SDL too Jul 27 03:21:07 smc? Jul 27 03:21:37 jumps and bumps Jul 27 03:21:41 its the same thing Jul 27 03:21:42 i need super maryo chronicles....i'm going thru hell trying to install ubuntu with working wifi Jul 27 03:21:56 we indeed presented it in a college event Jul 27 03:22:28 i have nightmares about wifi on ubuntu Jul 27 03:22:33 i need to do a video of gameplay on the N800 Jul 27 03:22:42 get that done now...and upload it.. Jul 27 03:22:45 the most visited post on my blog is about my complains about it Jul 27 03:23:03 whats your wifi, unique311? Jul 27 03:23:24 ( http://corporatedrones.wordpress.com/2007/02/12/d-link-dwl-g122-rev-c-and-ubuntu-gnulinux/ ) Jul 27 03:23:37 linksys Jul 27 03:23:43 wpa is not working.. Jul 27 03:23:55 i have security set high.. Jul 27 03:24:36 the password encrytion is set to wpa2 Jul 27 03:25:02 wpa-supplicant is not playing nice. Jul 27 03:25:08 so i tried fedora Jul 27 03:25:12 same thing.. Jul 27 03:25:34 actually, I know sh*t about wifi Jul 27 03:25:54 so maybe it would work...but I dont want to hack everything on my computer to make it work Jul 27 03:26:07 sometimes you just it to "just work" Jul 27 03:26:23 we all are already busy with our projects Jul 27 03:28:01 and my ad-hoc+proxy scheme it not working with the 770 anymore... Jul 27 03:28:04 any idea? Jul 27 03:29:45 hold on Jul 27 03:30:10 ok Jul 27 03:37:48 sorry about that... Jul 27 03:37:55 made a shitty video just now.. Jul 27 03:38:26 we all do shitty videos ;-) Jul 27 03:39:16 no..i do shitty videos... Jul 27 03:39:42 ad-hoc proxy scheme.. Jul 27 03:39:45 not a clue Jul 27 03:39:47 sorry Jul 27 03:40:13 ok Jul 27 03:40:17 uploading video now... Jul 27 03:40:20 now...to the shitty video Jul 27 03:40:23 youtube? Jul 27 03:40:27 yea Jul 27 03:40:32 only 6mb Jul 27 03:40:35 lets see who's got the most shitty video... Jul 27 03:40:36 not big at all Jul 27 03:40:58 my last was 16 MB Jul 27 03:41:10 most of dark stuff and out of focus 770 Jul 27 03:41:46 i record my videos on my ppc6700 Jul 27 03:41:58 doesn't get any shitti(er) Jul 27 03:42:09 1.3 mp Jul 27 03:42:24 its a phone for god sakes... Jul 27 03:42:26 3.1 mp...but shitty light capture sensors Jul 27 03:42:35 if you are using a camera you go tme beat Jul 27 03:42:45 mine is a camera... Jul 27 03:42:57 "tme beat"? Jul 27 03:43:41 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Debx9ppuY6U Jul 27 03:43:54 here goes nothing Jul 27 03:43:59 check it out everybody Jul 27 03:44:01 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Debx9ppuY6U Jul 27 03:44:02 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Debx9ppuY6U Jul 27 03:44:33 caching... Jul 27 03:44:41 looks way better than my videos =-P Jul 27 03:44:46 hmmm. slow connection... Jul 27 03:44:49 lol Jul 27 03:44:53 wow Jul 27 03:45:06 i under estimate my ppc Jul 27 03:45:23 speed on the game is on normal.. Jul 27 03:45:53 television on background...where is the game audio? Jul 27 03:46:03 oh... Jul 27 03:46:07 my volume is down Jul 27 03:46:09 lol Jul 27 03:46:12 redo Jul 27 03:46:48 actually...no my volume was up.. Jul 27 03:46:53 sound worked yesterday.. Jul 27 03:47:06 strange... Jul 27 03:47:06 maybe i change the settings and too sound off Jul 27 03:47:10 hold on Jul 27 03:47:13 ok Jul 27 03:48:58 sound is grey'd out. Jul 27 03:49:02 wtf Jul 27 03:50:18 "its mario!" =-p Jul 27 03:50:18 i did run it the first time as root Jul 27 03:50:26 maybe tis why Jul 27 03:50:40 whats the key for pause? Jul 27 03:50:51 yeah..maybe its that Jul 27 03:50:51 enter... Jul 27 03:51:05 but you can keymap in options>controls Jul 27 03:51:09 I see...I guess you should change this Jul 27 03:51:15 all the keys on the dvice can be mapped Jul 27 03:51:16 the meny key is a good candidate Jul 27 03:51:26 but change the default Jul 27 03:51:27 <_Monkey> NeoStrider: that doesn't look right Jul 27 03:51:27 yes Jul 27 03:51:33 but i want my sound... Jul 27 03:51:43 the average joe wont know about it Jul 27 03:51:50 think when you run it as root you get sound.. Jul 27 03:51:56 not sure why Jul 27 03:53:41 maybe its acess to /dev/dsp (or something like that) Jul 27 03:54:28 turn the device off and try... Jul 27 03:54:37 i tried it as root Jul 27 03:54:40 no go Jul 27 03:54:57 really sucks.. Jul 27 03:55:10 go from having sound..to it acting up.. Jul 27 03:56:33 hmm Jul 27 03:56:37 sound works again Jul 27 03:56:45 bug1 Jul 27 03:57:23 do another video with sound...and then attend to my notebook... Jul 27 03:57:54 be sure to double test it before going on making the video Jul 27 03:59:40 think i know why the sound didn't want to work.... Jul 27 03:59:50 i brung down framerate to 40 Jul 27 03:59:55 and 60 is normal.. Jul 27 04:00:11 i did change it back to 60 and did the reboot.. Jul 27 04:00:19 but i'll look into that more Jul 27 04:07:05 uploading Jul 27 04:18:11 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-i5P9_TqhD8 Jul 27 04:18:12 sound Jul 27 04:18:38 lets check it out Jul 27 04:21:19 i suck at it.. Jul 27 04:22:20 almost every gamedev suck at the games he make...thats why he's a gamedev =-P Jul 27 04:24:04 i didn't make this game.. Jul 27 04:24:13 not a gamedev either... Jul 27 04:24:29 but you ported it...this makes you part of the chain Jul 27 04:24:34 no Jul 27 04:24:41 pupnik compiled it. Jul 27 04:24:48 my scratchbox ws broken. Jul 27 04:25:16 I tried porting it, but was getting sdl errors Jul 27 04:25:34 pupnik compiled it witout no errors. Jul 27 04:26:51 when i get scratchbox up..i will take a look at the source and see if i can get it to fill up the fullscreen. Jul 27 04:27:07 hahahah...great Jul 27 04:27:29 if you have a keyboard...it comes with a level editor. Jul 27 04:27:36 and....music is always welcome ;-) Jul 27 04:27:41 yes Jul 27 04:28:28 hopefully i get ubuntu working Jul 27 04:29:26 http://sourceforge.net/project/screenshots.php?group_id=70514 Jul 27 04:29:38 aiming for this on the n800 when i get scratchbox up. Jul 27 04:33:28 cool game! Jul 27 04:33:39 super tux game engine? Jul 27 04:34:47 no clue Jul 27 04:35:08 its definitely a project Jul 27 04:35:18 ported to the gp32x already Jul 27 04:36:16 what wasnt ported to it? =-p Jul 27 04:38:31 well...i give up Jul 27 04:38:40 i cant get the radar to work on angstron Jul 27 04:38:43 i will try more later Jul 27 04:38:48 im too damn tired... Jul 27 04:38:55 almost 2 AM here Jul 27 04:39:14 see you all later Jul 27 04:39:18 g'night Jul 27 04:41:21 my 770 is just in a restart loop. just see the nokia logo (doesn't even get to the hands) Jul 27 04:41:47 i've left the batt out for an hour to let it cold start and have kept it on AC after that to make sure its charged - no change Jul 27 04:41:51 you might be able to get in remotely if you have ssh Jul 27 04:41:57 unlikely though Jul 27 04:42:02 might have to flash it :( Jul 27 04:42:58 never got around to setting up an sshd. only had dropbear on it Jul 27 04:43:17 same thing :) Jul 27 04:43:27 well, as a client. Jul 27 04:43:35 ah, ok Jul 27 04:43:42 probably going to have to flash it Jul 27 04:43:51 if you plug it into a pc you probably will stay in usb mode Jul 27 04:47:48 continues to restart, although the usb symbol does flash for a moment in the upper right corner Jul 27 04:53:47 rcaron: hold down the home button as you plug it in Jul 27 04:53:53 this will put it into firmware flashing mod Jul 27 04:53:53 e Jul 27 04:53:56 then reflash Jul 27 04:54:04 the windows utility talks you through that Jul 27 04:58:57 thx megabyte405. got a link to the linux utility by any chance? Jul 27 05:02:40 rcaron: search maemo.org Jul 27 05:04:25 the website backend seems to be broken. i'm getting errors in the headers about midcom Jul 27 05:10:11 ugh. following the wiki flashing procedures. when i turn it on after the flasher is waiting, it detects briefly but then it does a restart and i'm dumped back to command line Jul 27 05:11:40 uh. corrupt vmware image file. the friday nightmare begins Jul 27 05:13:28 so is this thing bricked? Jul 27 05:34:20 rcaron: it's very, very tough to brick them, but possible. Can you get it to stay at the white Nokia screen with the USB connection logo in the corner? Jul 27 05:34:24 if you can, then you can flash. Jul 27 05:34:42 (that's what happens when you hold down the home key, with the AC unplugged and the USB plugged in) Jul 27 05:34:48 I'm out - good luck! Jul 27 05:36:26 well, it looks like i got lucky. reflashing now Jul 27 06:20:54 hello Jul 27 06:20:54 <_Monkey> bonjour, Savi_Bot Jul 27 06:21:07 hello monkey Jul 27 06:21:39 guys i cant run gps on my nokia 770 where to get hildon-libs0 ????? Jul 27 06:22:04 any idea where i could probably download it? Jul 27 06:31:24 hildon-libs is one of the core ui/widget libraries Jul 27 06:31:30 you must already have it on the device Jul 27 06:32:35 I think the problem is Jul 27 06:32:38 Even if it is running IT2005 Jul 27 06:32:43 you try to install a newer package or such? Jul 27 06:32:59 it's prolly sh libs stuff Jul 27 06:33:00 is the app for os2006 or 7? Jul 27 06:33:14 btw Jul 27 06:33:21 looks like gregale misses debconf package Jul 27 06:33:27 which is required by openssh Jul 27 06:33:29 I think we had a screwup in the latest mistral update Jul 27 06:33:43 everything built against that would not be installable in the prev releases Jul 27 06:33:47 I had to add the maemo bora base repo in order to install ssh on gregale Jul 27 06:33:52 even though it's binary/API compatible Jul 27 06:34:06 it's just that deps/versions are screwed Jul 27 06:34:53 I just never noticed my ssh dep problem since the backup too had backed up my repositories Jul 27 06:35:16 which is an interesting scenario otherwise too, when you restore a backup from an old software release, you get the old repositories.. Jul 27 06:35:29 perhaps we should start using some variable for distro name there? would that work? Jul 27 06:36:01 so instead of "bora" it would have "$current_release" somehow Jul 27 06:43:43 btw, is there an updated plankton? or the version on your blog is the latest and greatest? Jul 27 07:23:22 morning maemo Jul 27 07:35:52 when compiling my code for the n800 Jul 27 07:36:00 is there anything special to do to enable VFP ? Jul 27 07:36:06 any compiler option ? Jul 27 07:37:52 -mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=softfp I guess Jul 27 07:38:49 do those flag have any influence when compiling for x96 ? Jul 27 07:38:51 86 Jul 27 07:39:19 They might break things, dunno Jul 27 07:39:41 ok thx Jul 27 07:40:08 guardian, the i386-gcc doesn't like the options at all Jul 27 07:43:35 hi there... Jul 27 07:43:41 ...i have a )little( prob Jul 27 07:44:09 i've made a backup from my n800 via 0xFFFF -e /pathtommc onto a one gig mmc Jul 27 07:45:49 now i want to restore it via flasher and that doesnt work Jul 27 07:46:49 when i try a flash -f -n INITFS.JFF -r ROOTFS.JFF -x XLOADER.BIN -s SECONDAR.BIN -k ZIMAGE i get: X-Loader image is too big Jul 27 07:47:11 without the xloader image i get To flash the bootloader, you have to supply the X-Loader image Jul 27 07:47:50 hi @ all Jul 27 07:47:54 hi there Jul 27 07:47:55 <_Monkey> bonjour, dubdibdu1 Jul 27 07:48:20 everything won't be a prob if at least flash -f -r ROOTFS.JFF would work Jul 27 07:48:46 it starts flashing, and then: Jul 27 07:48:48 100% (257280 of 257280 kB, avg. 32047 kB/s) Jul 27 07:48:48 Finishing flashing... Sending request 0x52 failed! Jul 27 07:48:57 Unable to get error strings: Connection timed out Jul 27 07:49:17 /who dubdibdub Jul 27 07:49:50 i'd like to wake up my win pc with a "wake on lan" (wol) tool from my nokia 770. is there a solution? i haven't found any ported software at meamo or google... :-( Jul 27 07:51:14 I wrote a pythonscript that wakes on lan Jul 27 07:52:36 juuuuhu yeees...:-) great how can i get this script? Jul 27 07:52:49 VladDrac: go works your tetrinet ;) Jul 27 07:53:31 pello :) Jul 27 07:53:35 try apt-get source wakeonlan Jul 27 07:53:42 thats a perl script Jul 27 07:53:48 you can also try etherwake Jul 27 07:53:56 (should be crosscompilable) Jul 27 07:53:56 well it's pretty simple anyway Jul 27 07:54:59 http://pastebin.com/m146c7ba7 Jul 27 07:55:50 afaik you just need to make sure the packets arrive at your compunters network interface, port 22 is arbitrary (but it's forwarded through my router) Jul 27 07:56:42 does anyone know why i cannot flash that ROOTFS.JFF image 0xffff built for me?? Jul 27 08:04:23 SOB noone told me this chan was logged Jul 27 08:04:28 :( Jul 27 08:04:38 anyone had a look at the vkb hildon input plugin ? Jul 27 08:04:43 i was surprised by one thing Jul 27 08:04:51 i thought it would use a GtkFixed container Jul 27 08:04:54 with GtkButtons inside Jul 27 08:05:14 or a mix of GtkVBox and GtkHBox for rows and keys Jul 27 08:05:18 rhys, all channels are logged by someone, maybe not always publicly Jul 27 08:05:28 but instead, the widget does the painting all by itself Jul 27 08:05:41 and mimmic the look of buttons Jul 27 08:05:45 is this for performance reasons ??? Jul 27 08:05:53 google rhys.rhaven. :\ i guess it doesnt matter, as it already returns my email on the zenwalk ML. but w/e. Jul 27 08:06:02 like having ~100 buttons would cause too much size requests and size allocates ? Jul 27 08:08:10 anyone replied while i was disconnected ? :) Jul 27 08:09:42 no Jul 27 08:34:35 Aloha! Jul 27 08:42:16 aloha mora Jul 27 08:44:48 good morning Jul 27 08:45:16 * Jaffa likes the direction the "sb2 & maemo" thread is taking on maemo-dev Jul 27 08:58:39 yawn Jul 27 09:33:59 morning all Jul 27 09:36:27 * pupnik waves Jul 27 09:50:52 * keesj waves back Jul 27 09:51:09 laggy connection Jul 27 09:55:39 hi at all, anyone know what are methods and interfaces of com.nokia.osso_browser dbus service? Introspect method is implemented? Jul 27 10:02:01 keesj: google points to a broken link for synergy - is it up somewhere else? Jul 27 10:02:44 i have a copy on my site if anyone needs it Jul 27 10:02:45 pupnik: I think on the maemo.org download page? Jul 27 10:03:43 is it down AGAIN ! Jul 27 10:08:13 pupnik.. Jul 27 10:08:13 <_Monkey> pupnik is guessing that you need a full version of tar and not the busybox version Jul 27 10:08:19 compiled smc Jul 27 10:08:35 but getting an error.. Jul 27 10:08:41 _Monkey: forget pupnik Jul 27 10:08:42 <_Monkey> pupnik: I forgot pupnik Jul 27 10:09:04 warning : could not init 16 bit audio Jul 27 10:09:23 and screen mode creation failed.. Jul 27 10:09:37 maximum supported bitdepth is 16 Jul 27 10:09:51 yes, it tries 32,24 and then falls back to 15 Jul 27 10:09:52 16 Jul 27 10:10:13 iirc Jul 27 10:10:32 you don't get any sound? Jul 27 10:10:41 well this is in scratchbox. Jul 27 10:10:47 i'm getting the errors Jul 27 10:11:01 i don't get sound on scratchbox, but i do on the device Jul 27 10:11:26 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-i5P9_TqhD8 Jul 27 10:11:52 shitty video of smw with sound Jul 27 10:12:13 cool Jul 27 10:12:40 i found a few levels that have too many sprites for the 770 to handle full speed Jul 27 10:13:04 i think we can get those load times reduced Jul 27 10:13:07 crap Jul 27 10:13:09 maemo.org is down Jul 27 10:13:17 right at the time i want to download software update Jul 27 10:13:24 so its working on the 770 now? Jul 27 10:13:30 yes Jul 27 10:13:34 nice Jul 27 10:13:46 going to try smc on the n800.. Jul 27 10:14:00 if i get the same errors..guess it wasn;t meant to be. Jul 27 10:14:11 version 0.97 Jul 27 10:14:32 no luck with the gp32x version. Jul 27 10:16:22 they did a bang up job with the graphics and levels Jul 27 10:17:05 yes Jul 27 10:17:18 we have to get netplay giong :) Jul 27 10:17:20 if you have a keybaord.. Jul 27 10:17:25 theirs a leveleditor Jul 27 10:17:29 f1 Jul 27 10:17:58 sdl_net....someone on the forum was working on it. Jul 27 10:22:01 it would be nice if we could reduce the load times Jul 27 10:22:26 looks like the game wants a full 64MB of memory for itself Jul 27 10:22:31 morning Jul 27 10:22:37 hi lardman! Jul 27 10:22:45 hi pupnik Jul 27 10:22:59 Any gdb gurus here? Jul 27 10:23:12 * pupnik looks at feet Jul 27 10:23:23 Can gdb follow instructions into thumb (or dare I say jazelle) mode? Jul 27 10:23:40 * lardman will have to trawl the gdb mailing listsd Jul 27 10:23:52 there are some smart ppl in #debian-arm lardman Jul 27 10:24:24 pupnik: Okay, I'll join & lurk for a bit Jul 27 10:25:03 urg, not on this server Jul 27 10:25:31 maybe oftc Jul 27 10:27:06 found it, had to work out whether my client could connect to more than one server :) Jul 27 10:37:03 is it possible exec browser with url command line param? Or how can i open browser dinamically to a particular page? Jul 27 10:38:25 geaaru: It must be possible somehow, as the bookmarks bit of the UI does this, may be DBUS? Jul 27 10:39:13 geaaru: via dbus , there are example around Jul 27 10:39:15 k i use dbus-monitor to handle correct param and interface to use on dbus. ty Jul 27 10:41:42 :'( from dbus-monitor i see only request name (open dbus connection) of com.nokia.osso_bookmark and com.nokia.osso_browser dbus services Jul 27 10:41:52 not informations about can do it Jul 27 10:43:49 hi all Jul 27 10:44:55 Does the format string in printf() have to be constant? Jul 27 10:45:33 I'm pretty sure I was able to get it to accept a variable string Jul 27 10:45:48 * lardman is trying to work out why his inline asm calling printf isn't working Jul 27 10:47:15 hi florian Jul 27 10:47:47 i hear complaints about gcc and inline asm Jul 27 10:47:54 and advice "avoid it" Jul 27 10:48:01 ah, it's okay, seems to work well Jul 27 10:48:22 I think bigger complaint about GCC's optimising away my C variables so I can't use them in the asm! Jul 27 10:48:35 But I'm sure that's mainly my fault Jul 27 10:49:21 I can step through the asm using gdb. The first bxj appears to jump straight to my handler, the second vanishes and the CPU heads up to ~95% Jul 27 10:49:47 though no error which is nice, so presumably it's actually trying to do something, God only knows what though Jul 27 10:54:06 pupnik: I think you may be right though, there are too many constraints using inline, I should probably write the whole program in asm Jul 27 10:57:16 if i were rich i'd post a $10,000 bounty for a JIT x86->ARM (dyanmic recompilation) module for dosbox... Jul 27 10:59:07 There must be people working on that sort of thing already? Jul 27 10:59:31 Though low power x86 compatiable chips may make it obsolete Jul 27 11:00:06 sadly nobody is. Jul 27 11:00:34 jit dosbox on an OMAP 3430 would be so sweet Jul 27 11:18:17 someone knows maemo mapper...is there a way to route train routes? Jul 27 11:29:09 keesj: is this your project? https://garage.maemo.org/projects/synergy2/ Jul 27 11:31:12 nope , I just did a compile in mud Jul 27 11:35:30 how do i download mud packages? Jul 27 11:35:38 what repo do they go to? Jul 27 11:36:48 btw maemo.org is back Jul 27 11:38:09 pupnik: why don't you use https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=284&release_id=700 ? Jul 27 11:38:48 pupnik: mud packages are derived from whatever upstream repo you want Jul 27 11:39:02 pupnik: for mud package I would sujest to just checkout mud and run it :p Jul 27 11:39:12 ok Jul 27 11:39:19 ty for the quicksynergy thing Jul 27 11:40:29 those install links are nice... I have to set them up for my pages Jul 27 11:45:34 finished typing keesj's url into opera! Jul 27 11:48:04 jait: pong Jul 27 11:48:04 _guardian: buttons don't really match the behavior they want for sticky/dead keys Jul 27 11:48:04 geaaru: there's a --url= param to browser, not sure if it's documented, and i suppose we don't claim support, but devs do need one for testing so it probably wouldn't go away Jul 27 11:49:14 timeless: ty. i try. :) Jul 27 11:49:32 geaaru: /some/ portion of the browser is open source Jul 27 11:49:36 you could probably just read it Jul 27 11:49:56 where i can found sources? Jul 27 11:50:05 http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage-all/source/browser/browser-ui/trunk/tablet-browser-ui/src/main.c Jul 27 11:50:07 looks promising Jul 27 11:50:25 specifically line 38 or 63 Jul 27 11:51:26 is there any problems running a python script based app on a 770? Jul 27 11:51:44 Nokia-N800-26:~# browser --url=http://www.jusan.it Jul 27 11:51:44 Nokia-N800-26:~# browser --url="http://www.jusan.it" Jul 27 11:51:44 Nokia-N800-26:~# browser -url="http://www.jusan.it" Jul 27 11:51:53 the cross reference isn't up because i didn't sync the full repo Jul 27 11:51:57 doesn't work :( Jul 27 11:52:00 you're running as root? Jul 27 11:52:05 does this make sense? Jul 27 11:52:34 i'm coding a gtk widget, at some point i would like to display a button inside it. however my widget is not a container, how can i do then ? Jul 27 11:52:58 * timeless thinks guardian_ wants #gtk* Jul 27 11:53:17 ? Jul 27 11:54:50 geearu: w/o browser running Jul 27 11:54:58 /usr/bin/browser --url=www.google.fr "works" Jul 27 11:55:40 it also works if the browser is unning Jul 27 11:55:48 what do you mean timeless ? Jul 27 11:56:06 :) thank you. works but only if i insert absolute path Jul 27 11:56:20 guardian: well, i think you'd have better luck asking in a gtk only channel Jul 27 11:56:32 sure Jul 27 11:56:35 with relative path doesn't work... but this isn't a problem. ty Jul 27 11:56:52 * timeless didn't say it'd work in any other flavor Jul 27 11:56:55 maemo.org down again :( Jul 27 11:56:58 you only asked for the arg :) Jul 27 11:57:16 * timeless has no idea *why* it doesn't work the other way, but.. Jul 27 11:57:40 i think that the problem is /usr/bin/maemo-launcher Jul 27 11:58:04 or whatever it's called, uses the app name, which is 'browser' or '/usr/bin/browser' to decide what to look for Jul 27 11:58:32 * timeless goes to read launcher.c Jul 27 11:58:53 note that 'browser' alone does nothing useful for me Jul 27 11:59:13 if i can figure out how to fix that in maemo-launcher/launcher/launcher.c, i'll file a bug+patch Jul 27 11:59:28 * timeless always thought it was stupid watching people write /usr/bin/browser all the time Jul 27 12:00:01 :) Jul 27 12:01:37 up again :) Jul 27 12:02:34 but maemo-launcher/launcher/launcher.c is on stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo repository? Jul 27 12:02:45 timeless, how about fixing microb-eal so that it doesn't require an internet connection for accessing localhost? Jul 27 12:02:55 jait: um Jul 27 12:03:00 does opera work w/o one? Jul 27 12:03:18 garage still down Jul 27 12:03:25 i don't know, why should you care? Jul 27 12:03:34 pupnik: use timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage-all/source/ Jul 27 12:03:44 jait: oddly, "yes" Jul 27 12:03:55 Is there a java RE for maemo/gregale? Jul 27 12:04:07 most likely the reason we require a connection is because of connectivity daemon Jul 27 12:04:30 or our misunderstanding of how to use that demon Jul 27 12:04:31 yes but you request it explicitly Jul 27 12:04:35 * timeless doesn't like it Jul 27 12:04:52 so you can choose when to request it and when not to Jul 27 12:05:08 jait: is that server up? Jul 27 12:05:11 * timeless can't hit it Jul 27 12:05:25 what server? Jul 27 12:05:33 theone that has the msg'd number Jul 27 12:05:54 * timeless can't use /msg Jul 27 12:06:09 ok, it's just amazingly slow Jul 27 12:06:19 it's up, sloow Jul 27 12:06:20 * timeless coughs Jul 27 12:06:26 no, sorry Jul 27 12:06:38 http://127.1 is a perfectly valid local address Jul 27 12:06:45 any patch that doesn't allow that is wrong :) Jul 27 12:07:00 ok, so you know how to make it better =) Jul 27 12:07:07 * timeless coughs Jul 27 12:07:17 it's so not browser's job to understand routing Jul 27 12:07:57 btw, localhost.localdomain, {localips}, 7f::1 (?) and a number of other things are all "local" Jul 27 12:08:09 yes, i know Jul 27 12:08:17 and arguably "localhost" is only 127.0.0.1 _IF_ /etc/hosts or something else says so Jul 27 12:08:34 os/2 was funny about that iirc Jul 27 12:08:39 but the proper (tm) way would mean reworking the whole connectivity system which i don't see happening Jul 27 12:08:48 ... Jul 27 12:08:53 can we just delete connectivity? Jul 27 12:08:59 it'd make our code a lot cleaner Jul 27 12:09:11 it's ok if we delete certman first Jul 27 12:10:05 is there a bug complaining that connectivity can't do what we need? Jul 27 12:10:19 what do you mean? Jul 27 12:10:48 if i want to reach an ip address, am i not able to ask connectivity "can you please make sure i can reach this ip {}"? Jul 27 12:11:33 nope Jul 27 12:12:15 * timeless instantly regrets asking an English question instead of a question with clear explicit answer choices Jul 27 12:12:44 =) Jul 27 12:13:45 the way i see it, connectivity should have some kind of filtering rule that traps packets that would need to be sent outside and use that as a trigger for opening connections Jul 27 12:14:02 i think the problem is that it's fundamentally flawed Jul 27 12:14:12 the goal is for each app to be able to explain Jul 27 12:14:22 "yes, i'm doing this because the 'user' told me to" Jul 27 12:14:43 but, what if the user told cron to schedule an rsync at 5.13am? Jul 27 12:14:59 the user didn't tell cron to do an rsync now @5.13am Jul 27 12:15:05 well yes, it's difficult to make that distinction Jul 27 12:15:07 now, let's ignore the browser Jul 27 12:15:15 err, ... Jul 27 12:15:21 the browser is more complciated Jul 27 12:15:23 er Jul 27 12:15:28 the browser is more complicated Jul 27 12:16:19 suppose i log into mail.google.com Jul 27 12:16:24 i've only logged in once Jul 27 12:16:45 now, i walk away for an hour Jul 27 12:16:49 what's the expectation? Jul 27 12:17:27 the connection is kept alive? Jul 27 12:17:47 the browser one hour from now is asked by the web page to connect to mail.google.com Jul 27 12:18:25 what does the browser say to connectivity when it wants to think about this connection? Jul 27 12:18:34 did the user ask for it? Jul 27 12:19:31 use a second device and try w/ news.google.com Jul 27 12:19:32 i see your point Jul 27 12:19:36 what's the expectation? Jul 27 12:19:51 you guys have made rule sets that just plain don't work for web browsers Jul 27 12:19:58 if you want another one, i have it Jul 27 12:20:07 don't blame me! Jul 27 12:20:37 jait: if you express any interest then you are either part of the problem (supporting status quo, wasting time), or part of the solution Jul 27 12:21:05 jait: (not too seriously of course) Jul 27 12:22:09 so do you see every variation of that patch to be too much of a kludge? Jul 27 12:22:25 from an engineering perspective, basically Jul 27 12:22:31 making the list of addresses dynamic (gconf, file, conf option)... Jul 27 12:22:34 code like that has no business belonging to our module Jul 27 12:22:43 i don't mind calling a function is_this_local() Jul 27 12:22:59 however, if you're going to write it, stick it where it belongs i.e. in icd Jul 27 12:23:33 from a practical perspective, it's probably possible to steamroll me into accepting it Jul 27 12:23:36 but really, i don't like hacks Jul 27 12:23:46 i do lots of them, but microb is almost entirely hacks Jul 27 12:23:58 and i'd rather force other people to fix their libraries instead of adding more layers of hacks Jul 27 12:24:04 jait: try browsing to "about:config" Jul 27 12:24:10 each hack we add means the other libraries are more willing Jul 27 12:24:14 maybe there's some option enabling that behaviour Jul 27 12:24:17 zakx: not really relevant Jul 27 12:24:23 believev me Jul 27 12:24:29 especially given that about:Config is my fault Jul 27 12:24:39 jait knows way too much of this stuff Jul 27 12:25:06 jait: i presume you've read http://swift/osso10/ident Jul 27 12:25:18 * timeless can't find any public api to use as a qualifier Jul 27 12:25:28 1471737 files to consider Jul 27 12:25:44 * timeless wonders how well this rsync will fare Jul 27 12:26:05 what's there to read? Jul 27 12:26:43 * timeless ponders Jul 27 12:26:50 sorry, i lost my train of thought Jul 27 12:27:28 btw, what is oulu.fi? Jul 27 12:27:40 univerisity access? Jul 27 12:27:49 yep, univ. of oulu Jul 27 12:28:09 timeless: what about network.online then? Jul 27 12:28:23 zakx: the story is like this Jul 27 12:28:30 there's this group which is turf hungry Jul 27 12:28:38 they own this turf called internet connection daemon Jul 27 12:28:44 or maybe it's internete connectivity daemon Jul 27 12:28:46 or something else Jul 27 12:29:00 it haunts my the 3 letter word ICD Jul 27 12:29:05 they demand not to be ignored Jul 27 12:29:09 they demand that you always use them Jul 27 12:29:28 so one should blame them for allowing localhost connections without wifi access? Jul 27 12:29:38 err, not allowing Jul 27 12:29:41 yes Jul 27 12:29:59 i guess that's some unreachable nokia team again? Jul 27 12:30:06 dunno Jul 27 12:30:12 i'm browser, and i'm reachable today Jul 27 12:30:20 i have on idea who else is reachable Jul 27 12:30:21 i reckon that you'd be happier to see the crap in icd although it would be the same crap? Jul 27 12:30:27 yes Jul 27 12:30:35 i wouldn't have to see it :) Jul 27 12:30:40 hi ppl, I decided upgrade my laptop today, I upgraded to ubuntu feisty, I wanted to remove sbox/maemo before and reinstall it, now I've finieshed to install maemo 3.1 using sh script Jul 27 12:30:46 nimby, no crap in my back yard Jul 27 12:30:49 when I execute apt-get update on the targets I'm getting errors Jul 27 12:30:53 is something wrong on the repositories ? Jul 27 12:31:20 timeless: so, by the way, thanks for the great work. Jul 27 12:31:28 jait: especially in this case, it's the difference between crap in one place Jul 27 12:31:30 and shared crap Jul 27 12:31:33 I'm reciving messages like "Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/dists/bora/Release.gpg Temporary failure resolving 'repository.maemo.org'" Jul 27 12:31:42 three browsers shouldn't have to write the same crap Jul 27 12:31:55 AD-N770: edit /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf Jul 27 12:32:00 AD-N770: I'm seeing flakyness on maemo.org as well Jul 27 12:32:11 if i install a firefox derivative that's hacked to use icd, i shouldn't be forced to hack that firefox to understand what localhost is Jul 27 12:32:17 i get your point Jul 27 12:32:22 and then if someone fixes the crap to be less crappy Jul 27 12:32:23 change the "hosts:" line to "hosts: file dns" Jul 27 12:32:24 <_Monkey> zakx: that doesn't look right Jul 27 12:32:27 Err http://repository.maemo.org mistral/non-free osso-sounds-ui 1.2-4sdk1 404 Not Found [IP: 203.59.140.19 80] Jul 27 12:32:31 each browser isn't forced to update its copy Jul 27 12:32:47 :) Jul 27 12:33:19 _Monkey: http://lists.scratchbox.org/pipermail/scratchbox-users/2007-March/000906.html Jul 27 12:33:20 <_Monkey> zakx: what? Jul 27 12:33:53 * timeless sighs Jul 27 12:33:59 What weird is the indexing on maemo.org works fine, but trying to get the package just 404's Jul 27 12:34:01 jait: i'll trade you crap Jul 27 12:34:27 suppose someone came to me and said "your web browser lets me try to create a new folder on a removal device when there's no volume in the device" Jul 27 12:34:31 why the heck should i care? Jul 27 12:34:35 it's shared removable crap Jul 27 12:34:40 and yet see 64353 Jul 27 12:34:45 which is filed as a browser bug Jul 27 12:34:56 it's a bug in filesystem Jul 27 12:35:13 all anyone has to do to verify it's not my fault is test in notes Jul 27 12:35:22 * timeless sighs and goes to find a way to test it Jul 27 12:37:11 funny screenshot Jul 27 12:37:47 a potato makes a good n770 stand for when the charger cable is plugged-in Jul 27 12:38:09 timeless: presumably that's yet another internal bug which has been raised internally rather than in Bugzilla for no good reason? Jul 27 12:38:40 Toma-, mistral repositories are broken Jul 27 12:38:44 use gregale Jul 27 12:38:49 zakx, wget is working, but apt-get reprts the same error messages Jul 27 12:39:19 (My own 2c is that ICD is effectively a dial-on-demand dialler and should act on a route/unavailability approach rather than "do I have a connection up?". That might make it easier to support multiple connections, e.g. VPN connection over an IP connection etc.) Jul 27 12:39:43 Mikho: yeh i just figured that out. thanks Jul 27 12:39:57 Mikho, it's maemo2.0 that is broken, mistral works for me at least Jul 27 12:40:18 jaffa: it's internal, yes Jul 27 12:40:24 from my point of view bora is broken :) Jul 27 12:40:28 jaffa: the default is the internal, really. Jul 27 12:40:30 and the reason it's internal is because it talks about secret stuff Jul 27 12:40:33 the bug is shitty Jul 27 12:40:38 it doesn't belong external Jul 27 12:40:51 if it was external i'd flame the reporter two ways to the moon and probably mars Jul 27 12:41:01 i mean, it really isn't that hard to test dialogs in notes too Jul 27 12:41:04 timeless: still thanks for your help... still one questions, i see from main.c that there isn't a param for set fullscreen from command line Jul 27 12:41:12 if a bug happens in notes and your favorite app Jul 27 12:41:13 is there a solution for this? Jul 27 12:41:18 then it can't be a bug in your favorite app Jul 27 12:41:28 gearru: i'd have to search, i'm busy flaming a bug reporter Jul 27 12:41:34 priorities... Jul 27 12:41:39 so theres no Java RE for the 770? Jul 27 12:41:50 i really hate having to use python Jul 27 12:41:54 Lots of bugs are shitty (internal *and* external), but if the default is internal for Nokia staff, there's never going to be a large contribution to the source of Nokia-led apps by external people: if developers can't see bugs, they can't fix them. A few simple internal bugs could result in some simple patches => more open collaboration. Jul 27 12:42:06 k :) ty good work! Jul 27 12:42:25 Toma-: there are, in various states of development. Nothing end-user ready, nothing with much (if any) GUI support or Hildon integration. Jul 27 12:42:32 jaffa: we have as you can see 60,000 shitty bugs Jul 27 12:42:36 of which you couldn't learn anything Jul 27 12:42:37 ahh bummer. Jul 27 12:42:43 you certainly wouldn't learn how to file good bugs Jul 27 12:42:43 looks like ill have to port something :~< Jul 27 12:42:52 timeless: is that just a Maemo bug tracker?! Jul 27 12:42:53 jait: safe joruney Jul 27 12:42:58 jaffa; yes Jul 27 12:42:59 jaffa: It's part of the larger problem/issue. Bugs are mostly for unreleased (read currently-secret) features. Jul 27 12:43:07 timeless: FFS! Jul 27 12:43:19 jaffa: note that in this case it's trivial to file a public equivalent of the bug Jul 27 12:43:31 timeless: no exact number of osso activities. please. ;) Jul 27 12:43:32 you just have to use official released pieces and only update the relevant component Jul 27 12:43:39 And there are no drum machine apps out there for the 770? Jul 27 12:43:40 numbers. Jul 27 12:43:54 roope: public bugs.maemo.org have alias fields w/ internal numbers Jul 27 12:44:10 although, to be fair, it might be unreasonable for me to say there are 60,000 shitty bugs Jul 27 12:44:10 Toma-: that is my favorite fringe software request of the month :) Jul 27 12:44:20 pupnik: :D Jul 27 12:44:28 roope: and there's the rub: Nokia are still holding it too close to their chests. The only thing which should be "secret" or unannounced about features should be hardware. Nokia can't complain about lack of patches submitted, external help or benefit from open source properly if the software stack is viewed as proprietary. Jul 27 12:44:30 maybe only 32,000 or 64,000 :) Jul 27 12:44:30 I just wanna jam along to my lil 770 Jul 27 12:44:43 timeless: http://browser.garage.maemo.org/docs/dummy.html has a dead link to https://garage.maemo.org/svn/browser/trunk/eal-test Jul 27 12:44:48 jaffa: you can clearly guess what the secret is :) Jul 27 12:44:59 pytrommler runs like a 3 legged horse Jul 27 12:45:06 but we can't say that, hence we say "secret" Jul 27 12:45:14 jaffa: kind of true. But it's not as simple as take. Take something like Skype for instance. There were skype related bugs in our internal bugzilla before it was even announced. Jul 27 12:45:17 but back to my point Jul 27 12:45:23 You can't really say "only hardware". It's the whole product, really. Jul 27 12:45:32 if you actually tested only modules of software on public hardware Jul 27 12:45:41 you'd clearly know in this case that the bug was in the filesystemui Jul 27 12:45:51 because upgrading just browser wouldn't give you the bug Jul 27 12:45:59 Anyway, there are efforts ongoing to open this development process more. Jul 27 12:45:59 but upgrading filesystemui would give you the bug everywhere Jul 27 12:46:08 roope: that's news to me Jul 27 12:46:15 always nice to here about internal changes externally :) Jul 27 12:46:16 roope: So you have a beta-Skype component which is locked down to the beta testers. Jul 27 12:46:26 jaffa: it's hard Jul 27 12:46:32 we don't trust our contractors Jul 27 12:46:36 * Jaffa thought bugzilla could do that trivially? Jul 27 12:46:37 ah Jul 27 12:46:38 heck, we barely trust our engineers Jul 27 12:46:47 Toma- , Awesome request, but I don't know of anything Jul 27 12:46:49 imagine someone accidentally thinks they're in a locked component Jul 27 12:46:53 And you *certainly* don't trust users/OSS developers ;-) Jul 27 12:46:56 or thinks a bug has no buzzwords Jul 27 12:46:59 Bugs have links. Skype has links to connectivity, framework, power management etc. You can't really control ... hide those bugs from them. Jul 27 12:47:08 Is PD ported to maemo? that can be used to make drumloops Jul 27 12:47:12 and it turns out that they mention a buzzword in a public component Jul 27 12:47:22 celesteh: im having a look around for something suitable now Jul 27 12:47:22 ie. if you're a power management developer but not a skype tester, you still need to see that bug. Jul 27 12:47:26 celesteh: PD? Jul 27 12:47:27 roope: OK, let's take this back to base priniciples. Why do Skype-related bugs have to be hidden before Skype's release? Jul 27 12:47:45 anyway, it's certainly possible to have private products or bugs Jul 27 12:47:52 jaffa: Because Nokia wants to control when and howthey publicize features. Jul 27 12:47:52 we actually did that internally for the browser product for a bit Jul 27 12:48:03 Toma-: PD stands for Pure Data. It's um.. a hard to explain music tool . . . Jul 27 12:48:15 roope: And that's my point. Whilst they/you want that control, you'll have to do the majority of work on the platform yourself. Jul 27 12:48:17 By controlling when and how, a company, like any company, believes it can gain more from those features. Jul 27 12:48:22 but for reference, we also had some people trying to do secret keeping/sharing w/ a partner company Jul 27 12:48:32 and after reviewing it, we determined they failed to keep the secrets Jul 27 12:48:39 inz, isn't mistral the same as 2.0? At least it seems to use 2.0 repos when app manager is set to use mistral Jul 27 12:48:45 it wasn't a big deal, no one cared, no harm was done Jul 27 12:48:50 jaffa: that's true, and that's the drawback. Jul 27 12:48:52 Mikho, yes Jul 27 12:48:54 celesteh: might be simple enough to tear pytrommler to shreds, but it doesnt work very well Jul 27 12:48:59 but w/ a public system instead of a corporate tie, the secret would have been noticed sooner Jul 27 12:49:09 (the secret being that we were working on mozilla) Jul 27 12:49:09 they are compatible Jul 27 12:49:31 jaffa: note: nokia doesn't seem to mind doing work by itself Jul 27 12:49:39 that's one of the things open source poeple miss Jul 27 12:49:45 companies are willing to pay more for less Jul 27 12:49:52 Continuing thish example, now that the feature is public, bugs related to it could certainly be opened. Jul 27 12:49:53 Mikho, they should be, but repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo2.0....deb give 404, but if you replace maemo2.0 with mistral, they work Jul 27 12:49:53 and they're willing to pay more for control of shitty code Jul 27 12:50:05 timeless: well, except when it won't do the work people want (e.g. customisable 12/24 hour clock, a sensible RSS update policy etc.) Jul 27 12:50:24 jaffa: anyway... Jul 27 12:50:25 timeless: but it's a good point Jul 27 12:50:29 jaffa: Don't get me started on the 12/24 hour clock. ;) Jul 27 12:50:34 anyway Jul 27 12:50:37 roope: heh Jul 27 12:50:46 fwiw, i have opinions on clock and rss reader too Jul 27 12:50:53 and both of us clearly could get started Jul 27 12:50:55 I fought for that feature back in 2004, but there's some linux reason behind it. Jul 27 12:50:58 let's not get too offtopic Jul 27 12:51:09 roope: is that one of those silly platform consistency things Jul 27 12:51:17 that we can't get righ t in say Skype? :) Jul 27 12:51:28 (yes, i filed bugs about that) Jul 27 12:51:43 roope: there's a justification for why it is, but it makes no sense when no other Linux system does it the same way as IT OS ;-) Jul 27 12:51:47 Toma-: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pure_Data Jul 27 12:51:53 anyway, the problem is, we have as you can guess say 60,000 bad bugs Jul 27 12:52:04 assume that there are say 1000 browser bugs Jul 27 12:52:14 and take my word that however many there are, almost all of them are shitty Jul 27 12:52:25 and that unfortunately almost all of them have at least one bad word in them Jul 27 12:52:47 what's the point in me spending ours publishing 1000 bad bugs with one word sanitized? Jul 27 12:53:04 anyway, the problem is, we have as you can guess say 60,000 bad bugs Jul 27 12:53:10 assume that there are say 1000 browser bugs Jul 27 12:53:15 and take my word that however many there are, almost all of them are shitty Jul 27 12:53:31 note; i'm not going to bother looking to see how many browser bugs we have Jul 27 12:53:43 celesteh: looks scary Jul 27 12:53:45 the number is meaningless because most of them are duplicates or don't belong in browser Jul 27 12:53:54 .... Jul 27 12:54:02 a better approach is to file *good* bugs in the public database Jul 27 12:54:05 You shouldn't have to, my point is two fold: 1) Internal people should know what to say/not say when raising bugs externally (but if they can't raise non-shitty bugs, this is unlikely); 2) the development process should be more open and, despite the talk, Nokia seem to have no desire to do so (i.e. they view commercial advantage in keeping, say, a Mozilla browser underwraps until release) Jul 27 12:54:09 and encourage people to file good bugs in the public database Jul 27 12:54:10 Toma-: it is scary, but you can do many many things with it Jul 27 12:54:21 as the public database grows to have the better set of bugs Jul 27 12:54:25 celesteh: id rather something real simple :S Jul 27 12:54:26 engineers will spend more time there Jul 27 12:54:33 timeless: external community can not just help with code though, they can help with bug classification/de-duplication etc. (see gnome) Jul 27 12:54:35 and managers will be forced to encourage its use Jul 27 12:54:46 timeless: I think that browser has a ... or that other components do not have such a high percentage of shitty bugs as the browser. Jul 27 12:54:48 jaffa: i'm a mozilla.org dev/qa/whatever Jul 27 12:54:59 For smaller components, most of the bugs are actually pretty valid and reasonable. Jul 27 12:55:08 roope: maybe Jul 27 12:55:10 But I agree on the browser bugs. :) Jul 27 12:55:11 i can only speak for browser Jul 27 12:55:27 i can say that when i file bugs elsewhere, they tend to have a chance of getting duplicates Jul 27 12:55:28 celesteh: http://groovit.disjunkt.com/interface.html Jul 27 12:55:30 Yes, I've been browsing Browser bugs also. They're pretty... Silly mostly. Jul 27 12:55:30 yeh! Jul 27 12:55:35 because the core problem is usually not usefully apparent Jul 27 12:55:46 There will be prioritisation done on bugs, there are probably tons of small tiny bugs in Hildon or whatever internally which someone wanting to get stuck into Maemo/Hildon could fix easily - and as a way into the dev community. Jul 27 12:56:15 roope: i really never used the word shitty before i came to work here Jul 27 12:56:20 jaffa: It's ... Yes. I mean it requires a lot of work for the whole process, just opening bugzilla as such isn't enough. Jul 27 12:56:23 in fact, i don't think i've described bugs w/ that word before today Jul 27 12:56:36 roope; anyway Jul 27 12:56:49 a good first step is encouraging people to do testing on released hardware+software Jul 27 12:56:58 roope: I disagree. The work is a mental shift by management/non-OSS based developers within Nokia. Not really one of process. Jul 27 12:57:01 timeless: exactly. Jul 27 12:57:04 bgus like the one i just moved really should be found w/ public pieces Jul 27 12:57:14 instead of insisting on using as many private pieces as possible Jul 27 12:57:21 * timeless wonders if notes is open Jul 27 12:57:29 if it isn't, i should use something else as my example Jul 27 12:57:31 jaffa: Well, it requires things like changing control... Assigning bugs. Some kind of reliability that this bug will be fix in a certain timeframe. Jul 27 12:58:04 roope: the external bug tracker can do that. People in their spare time only work on bugs which aren't assigned to anyone. Jul 27 12:58:07 Making sure that the fixes are good, that they don't break anything else, that the fixer is committed to fixing the bugs caused by his fixes etc. Jul 27 12:58:34 Which really somethings requires visibility to the whole device and all the components. Jul 27 12:58:35 roope: of course... Jul 27 12:58:39 we don't actually have any of that Jul 27 12:58:53 You do code reviews already, I assume. Automated testing does (b) - or general integration/release testing; and the original fixer doesn't have to fix further bugs: they just get raised. Jul 27 12:58:55 see fun browser libraries break released software bugs.maemo 1720 Jul 27 12:59:10 * Jaffa isn't advocating you just release off the trunk at some random point in time with no testing or QA ;-) Jul 27 12:59:26 jaffa: we have a huge infrastructure Jul 27 12:59:31 jaffa: Yes anyway, but as I was saying, it requires a lot more changes than just opening the bugzilla. Jul 27 12:59:34 but oddly it doesn't really cover anywhere near the right spots Jul 27 12:59:42 It requires changes to management, QA, testing, scheduling, resourcing, legal etc. Jul 27 12:59:46 we need to evolve a lot of other changes first Jul 27 13:00:02 the best you can do today is get good/better bugs in the public bugzilla Jul 27 13:00:06 note that i'll help Jul 27 13:00:10 I think that's the way forward, but it will take some time and effort. Jul 27 13:00:12 most likely you'll see me file my bugs there Jul 27 13:00:15 is garage svn down? Jul 27 13:00:20 hopefully roope and others will too Jul 27 13:00:27 roope: I think you're overestimating the amount of work it'd take if the organisation was committed to it. Jul 27 13:00:36 note that really only some of us internals can actually choose to file externally Jul 27 13:00:39 jaffa: I haven't given any estimate yet. :) Jul 27 13:00:41 It shouldn't change QA, testing, scheduling or resourcing in *any* way. Jul 27 13:00:54 jaffa: testing involves testing on secrets Jul 27 13:00:59 jaffa: As an internal I've seen enough of what things take time than I'm certainly not overestimating. Jul 27 13:01:02 reporting would involve not mentioning secrets Jul 27 13:01:05 You're underestimating. ;) Jul 27 13:01:12 the structure would have to be changed to be more intelligent Jul 27 13:01:26 mostly testing on secrets, verifying on publics, and reporting public bugs Jul 27 13:01:26 timeless: and my point still stands, only hardware *should* be secret. Jul 27 13:01:28 without secrets Jul 27 13:01:45 jaffa: problem is, all bug reports include the tested hardware Jul 27 13:01:47 jaffa: With a policy like that there would be no Skype on the device. Jul 27 13:01:58 and unshipped hardware is buggy Jul 27 13:02:03 roope: why not? Skype was announced with the N800 launch. Jul 27 13:02:09 and sometimes software for unshipped hardware is buggy Jul 27 13:02:20 * timeless wonders when skype work started Jul 27 13:02:26 before the launch? Jul 27 13:02:31 jaffa: Do you think that's when the development for it started? Jul 27 13:02:33 (that's entirely speculation) Jul 27 13:02:42 Yes, well, actually, I'm also just speculating. ;) Jul 27 13:02:53 woohoo, we can all speculate together :) Jul 27 13:03:21 Let's just say that it would be a pretty bad idea to start developing something the same day it is publicized. Jul 27 13:03:35 really? Jul 27 13:03:40 heh, who would have thought :) Jul 27 13:03:52 Of course there have been exceptions, but. ;) Jul 27 13:04:01 * Jaffa shrugs. There's a lot of talk about being more open about Maemo, but it's over two years now and *still* the default for browser bugs is internal. The Mozilla work was secret until binaries were available... it seems like Nokia still doesn't "get" it. (whatever "it" is ;-)) Jul 27 13:04:22 * Jaffa 's experience is that things are developed the week before launch - well *after* announcing ;-)) Jul 27 13:04:34 I don't think it's all black and white. The correct answer is a murky gray somewhere in the middle. Jul 27 13:04:42 Of course. Jul 27 13:04:46 Where everybody complains somewhat but people try to be happy with it. Jul 27 13:05:12 jaffa: i'd argue that changed Jul 27 13:05:22 by default, good browser bugs will be filed in the opne Jul 27 13:05:27 you can see that as i file bugs Jul 27 13:05:46 by default, bugs no one wants to read will be filed internally Jul 27 13:05:59 the one in question is just a general example Jul 27 13:06:10 Nokia is a huge company, it's ... From the outside it's of course very hard to see all the forces in play, but it's... There are a lot of good efforts, and more than a few years ago. I think the direction is good, the speed could of course be faster. Jul 27 13:06:52 I've been here since early 2004, so I mean. I think there's still good stuff coming up. :) Jul 27 13:07:12 * Jaffa used to work for IBM: the disparity of the internals and externals of a big multinational company are still amazing to me now (but completely understandable) Jul 27 13:07:43 * timeless is newer than roope and probably less tolerant Jul 27 13:07:53 but, anyway, now that i'm open i can help a bit more Jul 27 13:07:57 Would the 770 have enough grunt to run something like audacity or another wav file editor? Jul 27 13:07:59 but i'll also be able to complain a bit mor Jul 27 13:08:10 toma: does that require real time work Jul 27 13:08:16 timeless: not at all Jul 27 13:08:18 or can it do things at slower than realtime? Jul 27 13:08:22 should be fine Jul 27 13:08:29 770 has a cpu >200,mhz Jul 27 13:08:35 i did audio work on 33mhz pcs Jul 27 13:08:40 hehe Jul 27 13:08:47 simple logic, :) Jul 27 13:09:11 try to make sure the code isn't too inefficient of course Jul 27 13:09:17 code seems to be getting worse over time Jul 27 13:09:21 im not a coder :( Jul 27 13:09:30 maybe find some app from then instead of a new and improved modern app :) Jul 27 13:09:49 * timeless shrugs Jul 27 13:10:03 going to try compiling a curses based drum machine Jul 27 13:10:06 that should help Jul 27 13:11:17 Toma- gneutronica-0.33 looks small and gtk-based Jul 27 13:11:50 pupnik: i have my doubts about its size on the screen Jul 27 13:12:14 pupnik: im looking at 'groovit' Jul 27 13:12:14 http://groovit.disjunkt.com/ Jul 27 13:13:05 coool Jul 27 13:15:43 want would be neat, is a little record spinning app Jul 27 13:16:02 pointless, but very much like the DS :D Jul 27 13:18:01 timeless , you would be surprised with what can be done with the 770 ;-) Jul 27 13:18:10 nah Jul 27 13:18:24 NeoStrider: the smw debs are fixed Jul 27 13:18:51 cool!!!! Jul 27 13:18:55 I want it!!!! Jul 27 13:23:40 "Super Mario War"? Jul 27 13:23:41 <_Monkey> i guess "Super Mario War" is a player-vs-player platform game with a mario theme. Packages for 770 (and N800) are at http://pupnik.de/smw.html . Works in Progress, but playable! Jul 27 13:24:08 * pupnik needs libasound2 Jul 27 13:24:21 pupnik, how can I make it answer thing about my game? Jul 27 13:25:03 you tell it "_Monkey foo is http://whatever" Jul 27 13:26:06 _Monkey angstron is http://angstron.garage.maemo.org/ Jul 27 13:26:06 <_Monkey> OK, NeoStrider. Jul 27 13:26:16 angstron? Jul 27 13:26:16 <_Monkey> angstron is http://angstron.garage.maemo.org/ Jul 27 13:26:20 cool =-) Jul 27 13:26:46 orly? Jul 27 13:27:03 _Monkey: orly is Ya rly! Jul 27 13:27:04 <_Monkey> OK, Toma-. Jul 27 13:27:07 huhuhu. Jul 27 13:27:55 hahahah Jul 27 13:28:12 orly? Jul 27 13:28:12 <_Monkey> orly is, like, Ya rly Jul 27 13:28:16 for those that have problems with apt-get and feisty: http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/?p=351 Jul 27 13:28:18 awww Jul 27 13:28:26 like me Jul 27 13:28:50 no are solved Jul 27 13:28:50 no/now Jul 27 13:29:10 AD-N770: i just sorted apt-get in feisty with my scratchbox install Jul 27 13:29:21 had to tweak the deb line Jul 27 13:30:00 Anyone using Scratchbox on x86_64 without a 32-bit chroot, btw? Jul 27 13:30:02 "deb http://scratchbox.org/debian stable main" Jul 27 13:30:22 ok, I had the resolv problems Jul 27 13:30:54 *watches the download from scratchbox.org* Jul 27 13:31:10 anyone familiar with mono in maemo? Jul 27 13:31:33 maemo mono man! Jul 27 13:33:25 inside sbox Jul 27 13:33:46 ahh i c Jul 27 13:34:57 _Monkey should be familiar to maemo ;-P Jul 27 13:34:57 <_Monkey> NeoStrider: i'm not following you... Jul 27 13:35:05 _Monkey should be familiar to mono ;-P Jul 27 13:35:06 <_Monkey> NeoStrider: excuse me? Jul 27 13:37:38 there's an older gtk trommler that might work Toma- Jul 27 13:38:21 even looks simple enough for a decent hildon port Jul 27 13:38:38 hrm, qa here is finding helpful bugs Jul 27 13:38:47 bugs that public testers could have foudn had they been creative enoug Jul 27 13:39:09 for those tired of the old screenshots: http://corporatedrones.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/angstron-training.png Jul 27 13:43:22 account on Jul 27 13:43:27 oops Jul 27 13:49:23 hi, how do i prevent the name of the executable appearing in the title bar of my app window? (pygtk) Jul 27 13:50:14 i.e. it shows 'exaile - Exaile music player' and I want to drop the 'exaile - ' part, which gets inserted automatically Jul 27 13:52:16 tweg...why dont you change the executable name to "Exaile" and drop the "Exaile " from the "Exaile music player" Jul 27 13:52:22 right Jul 27 13:52:31 because it adds a dash Jul 27 13:52:41 "Exaile - music player" Jul 27 13:52:56 you can say that you forked Exaile and created "Exaile -" Jul 27 13:52:58 =-p Jul 27 13:53:09 I guess I could do that, but it feels like a hack Jul 27 13:53:20 junky solutions to junky problems =-P Jul 27 13:53:40 I would have thought window.set_title should set the title to the string I give it and nothing more Jul 27 13:54:24 I saw somebody comment that before...oh...it was you Jul 27 13:54:30 yes, I hate these junky problems, but they are the little things that give ppl a perception of ugliness Jul 27 13:55:27 I see...why dont you try the .desktop file? Jul 27 13:55:57 in SDL, we set a WM_CLASS or something like that, to set the application name Jul 27 13:56:03 look for that , too Jul 27 13:56:07 its a enviroment var Jul 27 13:59:09 I've set StartupWMClass=exaile in the desktop file, didn't help as far as the title bar is concerned Jul 27 13:59:40 from my code: Jul 27 13:59:42 putenv("SDL_VIDEO_X11_WMCLASS=angstron"); Jul 27 13:59:59 chenca , are you from INDT? Jul 27 14:00:12 thanks NeoStrider - i needed that putenv Jul 27 14:00:28 everybody takes that line from somebody else ;-) Jul 27 14:00:57 yes Jul 27 14:01:14 i saw you on a canola video, from handful =-) Jul 27 14:01:21 i now have a smw.desktop. i think i need to register with osso to make sure smw does not close after launching from menu Jul 27 14:01:49 actually, pupnik, I didnt had any problem with that Jul 27 14:02:00 do you want me to show you the angstron .desktop file? Jul 27 14:02:21 i have a .desktop from maemowizard that i used - yes message me the angstron .desktop Jul 27 14:02:25 NeoStrider: hehehe My ugly face at 5am... Jul 27 14:03:42 todo mundo parecia contente =-) Jul 27 14:04:46 actually, is the same from maemowizard ;-) Jul 27 14:04:52 ok Jul 27 14:05:12 NeoStrider: Happy == Tired Jul 27 14:05:15 now i think i have to tell debhelper to include the .desktop and icon in the package Jul 27 14:05:40 pupnik, the autotools do that for you Jul 27 14:05:47 at least , for me, they do Jul 27 14:06:26 chenca, I hope someday I will be happy with you guys Jul 27 14:07:16 NeoStrider: where are you from ? Jul 27 14:07:27 Niterói,RJ Jul 27 14:07:39 and you? Jul 27 14:07:50 NeoStrider: handful's friend ? =) Jul 27 14:08:10 messenger pal Jul 27 14:08:18 never really met him Jul 27 14:08:46 NeoStrider: yeah, now I think I know who you are =) Jul 27 14:09:08 NeoStrider: you work at listel now, right ? Jul 27 14:09:16 no no Jul 27 14:09:18 ow Jul 27 14:09:28 Diário Oficial do Estado do Rio de Janeiro Jul 27 14:09:36 estagiário Jul 27 14:09:42 hhmm! ok! =) Jul 27 14:09:47 I hope to work with mobile multimedia someday Jul 27 14:10:07 if you were from CodeBlood, you may know me Jul 27 14:10:44 hello guys Jul 27 14:10:50 NeoStrider: great! =) Jul 27 14:11:50 I have a 770, by any chance do you know if I can use 2 btooth devices with n800, say the cell phone and a keyboard? Jul 27 14:12:16 kami770, I have tried Jul 27 14:12:26 I can only pair with a phone at time Jul 27 14:12:32 at least with vanilla gregalle Jul 27 14:12:33 darn Jul 27 14:12:42 no reason to get it then Jul 27 14:12:49 but maybe you can hack it someway Jul 27 14:12:59 I am using the OS2007 on this Jul 27 14:13:06 pretty sure bluetooth devices dont 'serve' Jul 27 14:13:07 ahhh...im using it2006 Jul 27 14:13:18 because I am having issues to DUN with 0S2006 Jul 27 14:13:24 what do you want to use? Jul 27 14:13:28 Toma-: did you compile the curses drum machine? Jul 27 14:13:34 yeah...I cant DUN either Jul 27 14:13:42 dum machine?! Jul 27 14:13:44 cool! Jul 27 14:13:44 DUN and btooth keyboard at the same time Jul 27 14:13:50 I was looking for the xdrum sources Jul 27 14:13:56 but couldnt find it anywhere Jul 27 14:14:44 pupnik: funny thing about apps that havent been touched since 2003... Jul 27 14:14:49 the configure file is borked Jul 27 14:15:08 going to give seq24 and qnetronica a try Jul 27 14:15:08 well I have a multipoint btooth headset so I figure you could pair to two devices at the same time Jul 27 14:15:11 brb Jul 27 14:15:56 NeoStrider, I think I am going to give up and go with your hack. Too much pain trying to polish this turd. Jul 27 14:15:57 kami770, they count as two devices? Jul 27 14:16:18 tweg...sometimes , its better to give up for a battle to conquer a war Jul 27 14:16:23 NeoStrider, the two cell phones when used with the headset, yeah Jul 27 14:16:30 sometime later you will stumble upon this Jul 27 14:16:33 well said :-) Jul 27 14:16:41 just as I did yesterday with my 3D rendering system Jul 27 14:17:08 NeoStrider, google for plantronics voyager 510 Jul 27 14:17:23 kami770, now I got it...you want a headset and a phone at the same time Jul 27 14:17:33 well..dont know about that Jul 27 14:17:37 erm Jul 27 14:17:38 no Jul 27 14:17:39 I only tried two phones Jul 27 14:17:45 a keyboard and a phone Jul 27 14:17:53 ahhh...ok Jul 27 14:18:03 indeed im pairing one of them right now Jul 27 14:18:04 so I can connect to the net thru the cell phone Jul 27 14:18:18 and I can type on the keyboard Jul 27 14:18:26 somebody hacked a usb UMTS modem driver for the 770 Jul 27 14:18:31 hardware keyboard Jul 27 14:18:36 kami770, and a usb keyboard? Jul 27 14:18:38 yes that would be very useful Jul 27 14:18:45 btooth keyboard Jul 27 14:19:04 yeah...but...why dont you investigate that too? Jul 27 14:19:19 i just dont know much about it Jul 27 14:19:24 im more a game developer Jul 27 14:19:33 im still discovering linux hacking Jul 27 14:19:39 just asking I got this yesterday Jul 27 14:20:05 I have no idea if I am going to stick with OS2006 or 7 Jul 27 14:20:10 ah Jul 27 14:20:22 i think multiboot is the way to go Jul 27 14:20:23 if I were you, I would stick with 2006 Jul 27 14:20:34 reinstalling everything after a re-flash is a PAIN Jul 27 14:20:35 2007 is good , but its not a end user thing Jul 27 14:21:01 NeoStrider, any particular reason? other than the end user part Jul 27 14:21:25 2006 won't recognize my phones Jul 27 14:21:34 some opera issues, some librarie version clashing Jul 27 14:21:39 for what I tested last night Jul 27 14:21:53 but hey...you're are the user...im quite happy with 2006 Jul 27 14:22:06 yeah Jul 27 14:22:09 Bah, I want the new Canola eye candy. Jul 27 14:22:17 im not much a user...i use the 770 just for debugging my games Jul 27 14:22:25 :) Jul 27 14:23:00 I think I will have to buy a cable I never thought I would need Jul 27 14:23:00 miniUSB to miniUSB Jul 27 14:23:27 * pupnik wants automake 1.8.x Jul 27 14:23:34 what toolchain should i use for gregale? Jul 27 14:23:59 Toma- , "gregale SDK"? Jul 27 14:24:05 Maemo 2.2 Jul 27 14:24:23 scratchbox-toolchain-arm-linux-2006q3-27? Jul 27 14:24:29 but hey...I did some good stuff with mistral SDK too Jul 27 14:24:32 let me check Jul 27 14:24:51 scratchbox-toolchain-cs2005q3.2-glibc-arm_1.0.5_i386 Jul 27 14:24:51 be back later Jul 27 14:24:54 gotta sleep a it more Jul 27 14:24:58 ok, kami770 Jul 27 14:25:05 NeoStrider, thanks :) Jul 27 14:25:15 ur welcome Jul 27 14:25:17 ah i see it. thanks Jul 27 14:25:20 we work for you, the user Jul 27 14:25:57 ahhh 20 min download! bah Jul 27 14:26:03 full metal alchemist time. Jul 27 14:26:40 take it,alphonso! Jul 27 14:26:57 :P Jul 27 14:27:09 =-P my brother in law is fanatic with that stuff Jul 27 14:27:16 it super. Jul 27 14:27:19 *its Jul 27 14:27:20 * pupnik looks at Neo's template_0.99 Jul 27 14:27:38 arg!!!! i just accidentally deleted a whole folder on my sd card when i meant to just delete one file!!!! is there a way to undo this?!?? Jul 27 14:27:46 pupnik, dont look so hard...will make me ashamed of Jul 27 14:27:47 Not really Jul 27 14:28:03 * celesteh_rules swears profusely Jul 27 14:28:26 i just lost ALL my photos from this card!! Jul 27 14:29:01 it's awesome NeoStrider - it asks where to put the application in menu Jul 27 14:29:05 celesteh_rules: remove the card and use one of the file recovery pieces of software - for photos (i.e. JPEGs) they work quite well Jul 27 14:29:06 pupnik, if you a way to use SDL_mixer and maemo-games-startup , a patch will be apreciated Jul 27 14:29:17 This configure script is a nightmare Jul 27 14:29:20 what is maemo-games-startup for? Jul 27 14:29:34 Klaus Rotter is the real wonder...I just made it available to the masses =-p Jul 27 14:29:41 Jaffa, can you reccomend a piece of (free) software? for osx or maemo? Jul 27 14:29:43 to provide a neat startup screen Jul 27 14:29:53 just like marble, Doom and other INDT games Jul 27 14:29:59 celesteh_rules: none for Maemo, AFAIK. Looking for the ones I know about now... Jul 27 14:30:46 Jaffa, I really appreciate your help here Jul 27 14:30:53 celesteh_rules: http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/PhotoRec Jul 27 14:32:01 NeoStrider: aha! so the games-startup helps manage the sdl games? like when pausing and task-switching? Jul 27 14:32:13 yeah Jul 27 14:32:16 exactly Jul 27 14:32:16 maybe i should use it for everything then Jul 27 14:32:28 if you press home key when playing angstron, for example Jul 27 14:32:40 ok yes that is very useful Jul 27 14:32:42 it *MAY* allow you to go back to the game Jul 27 14:32:49 hehe Jul 27 14:32:50 but its not garanteed Jul 27 14:33:05 mostly you lose that gaming session Jul 27 14:33:17 but the maemo-af-desktop is not hurt Jul 27 14:33:36 maemo-games-startup provide a way to comunicate better with the rest of the system Jul 27 14:33:39 Jaffa, thanks very much! Should I run this while using the n800 as a card reader or with the card in the camera (a lumix) Jul 27 14:33:50 and has a hildonized interface to configure multiplayer games and stuff like that Jul 27 14:34:23 so much to learn... so little brain Jul 27 14:34:27 for SMW it would be the best Jul 27 14:34:45 for , the problem is not the only the little brain...but the little time too Jul 27 14:34:49 i think for all sdl games. need to see how marbles works Jul 27 14:34:55 celesteh_rules: I don't think it matters. If you have no other card reader, I'd use the N800 Jul 27 14:35:00 angstron is waaaay behind schedule Jul 27 14:35:33 i did investigated crazy parking a lot , back in 2005 , when maemo was announced to the big public...but I was a newbie at linux Jul 27 14:36:00 you made the crazyparking game? Jul 27 14:36:13 no no! Jul 27 14:36:17 indt people did Jul 27 14:36:26 just like doom Jul 27 14:36:53 ahh. btw i think nogravity can be hacked to be faster Jul 27 14:37:39 nogravity? Jul 27 14:37:47 never was able to play it Jul 27 14:37:50 works well? Jul 27 14:38:03 no, 2-3 fps when close to complex objects Jul 27 14:38:30 wow Jul 27 14:38:39 but when away from big stuff? Jul 27 14:38:47 maybe 10-15 fps Jul 27 14:38:52 nice! Jul 27 14:39:13 that makes me thing how much i still have to optimize stuff here Jul 27 14:39:25 eventually , I will start doing ARM ASM Jul 27 14:39:51 yes that is not the place to start Jul 27 14:40:15 im doing my best on the portal rendering stuff Jul 27 14:40:27 and on polygon tesselation Jul 27 14:40:32 * celesteh_rules is guessing at format, but so far so good Jul 27 14:40:45 but working alone on such a big thing is not easy Jul 27 14:40:45 my best friend made one of the first 3D accelerated PC games :) Jul 27 14:41:04 i guess you told me that before Jul 27 14:41:04 yes. he wrote the whole thing himself Jul 27 14:41:10 so you can too! Jul 27 14:41:18 how long did he take? Jul 27 14:41:29 about 14 months Jul 27 14:41:33 full time? Jul 27 14:41:45 yes 50-70 hours/week Jul 27 14:42:04 he hired 5 artists and one sound guy Jul 27 14:42:51 ahhh...im working alone, for only 3,4 hours/day Jul 27 14:43:02 and im tired...becouse I go to college and work Jul 27 14:43:07 but I love this Jul 27 14:43:09 yay! I recovered my photos! Jul 27 14:43:09 however, the movies that I took are messed up. Could this be from guessing the wrong format for the SD card? Jul 27 14:43:14 nothing can stop me from doing it Jul 27 14:43:26 celesteh...what format you used? Jul 27 14:45:37 FAT16 windows. I never formatted the SD card Jul 27 14:47:44 * timeless goes home for weekend Jul 27 14:48:15 timeless, I enjoyed your rant :-) Jul 27 14:48:23 have a good weekend Jul 27 14:48:29 tweg: thanks Jul 27 14:48:41 i might at some point stick these into a blog Jul 27 14:48:50 i tend to convert irc conversations into blogs Jul 27 14:49:09 actually, i've been assigned blogging as an official task Jul 27 14:49:17 you get paid to blog? Jul 27 14:49:24 * timeless ponders Jul 27 14:49:33 i get paid to work. my manager said: do blog Jul 27 14:49:42 so, i suppose so? Jul 27 14:49:45 that's a yes Jul 27 14:49:46 heh Jul 27 14:50:00 timeless: I was thinking of doing something simlar with our earlier internal/external discussion, but spent too much time discussing instead of working :) Jul 27 14:50:02 i haven't yet been paid to do it, as i haven't yet done it Jul 27 14:50:15 jaffa: thankfully as someone else discovered earlier, this channel is logged Jul 27 14:50:21 indeed Jul 27 14:50:23 so i just have to find myself and reformat Jul 27 14:51:21 * timeless frowns Jul 27 14:51:28 i have a maze of twisty symlinks all misdirected Jul 27 14:51:33 and now i'm trying to straighten them Jul 27 14:51:54 why do so many ppl lurk given that this channel is logged? Jul 27 14:52:13 reconnecting is painful for me Jul 27 14:52:25 since i have to fix my / char to , among other things Jul 27 14:52:29 fair enough Jul 27 14:53:06 but i meant lurk in the sense of *never* saying anything Jul 27 14:53:38 does apt-get work in scratchbox? Jul 27 14:53:44 or ment to? Jul 27 14:53:45 yes Jul 27 14:53:50 unless your networking is bad Jul 27 14:53:51 :/ Jul 27 14:53:53 which it is by default Jul 27 14:53:59 bash: /usr/bin/apt-get: Accessing a corrupted shared library Jul 27 14:54:00 check /etc/hosts /etc/resolve.conf Jul 27 14:54:01 ahh ok Jul 27 14:54:01 We've also got "do blog" as an official task. :) Jul 27 14:54:09 Which is nice. Jul 27 14:54:13 roope: heh Jul 27 14:54:31 toma: your problem is not the one i expected Jul 27 14:54:42 gdb/strace? Jul 27 14:54:52 is this x86 or arm? Jul 27 14:54:56 but, really, i'm gone Jul 27 14:54:59 <`0660> tweg, this is pretty easy way to be on track with maemo Jul 27 14:55:05 well, i dont knwo :S Jul 27 14:55:14 my father is on TV =-) Jul 27 14:55:59 roope: you should do a post about the help you gave kontorri with UKMP and your thoughts on the new Canola UI video. Jul 27 14:56:08 timeless: arm Jul 27 14:56:16 ho ho... no devkits Jul 27 14:56:21 heh Jul 27 14:56:41 `0660, wouldn't it be easier just to read the logs on the web? but whatever works i guess Jul 27 14:56:56 <`0660> that would require active browsing :) Jul 27 14:57:24 <`0660> my irc client can scroll down the page automatically as new stuff comes in :) Jul 27 14:57:27 <`0660> it's like magic Jul 27 14:58:18 good point Jul 27 14:58:42 but i wonder how many ppl are not actually in front of their puters Jul 27 14:59:15 <`0660> i guess you are using mirc :) Jul 27 14:59:39 heh Jul 27 14:59:44 * timeless finds some errors Jul 27 14:59:49 /export/home/svn/world-all/garage/scite Jul 27 14:59:49 /export/home/svn/world/garage-all/ssh-key-manager/.svn Jul 27 14:59:54 one of those is clearly wrong :(~ Jul 27 15:00:14 68 are wrong :(~ Jul 27 15:01:41 woohoo scratchbox is working :) Jul 27 15:01:57 3rd time lucky Jul 27 15:02:50 /scratchbox/tools/bin/chown: changing ownership of `/var/log/dpkg.log': Operation not permitted Jul 27 15:02:51 :( Jul 27 15:03:30 Toma-: what did you try to do? Jul 27 15:03:45 fix the apt Jul 27 15:03:53 eg. apt-get -f install Jul 27 15:04:01 inside sb? Jul 27 15:04:05 its trying to setup dpkg Jul 27 15:04:06 yeh Jul 27 15:04:09 fakeroot Jul 27 15:04:14 try "faketroot apt-get ..." Jul 27 15:04:34 ahh thanks :D Jul 27 15:04:51 i didnt know fakeroot could do that Jul 27 15:06:21 brb, lunch Jul 27 15:07:10 does anyone know where you get sqlite3? Jul 27 15:09:16 <||cw> desrt: google sqlite? Jul 27 15:09:29 sqlite? Jul 27 15:09:37 i tried that Jul 27 15:10:03 apt-cache search sqlite Jul 27 15:10:03 libsqlite3-0 - SQLite 3 shared library Jul 27 15:10:03 sqlite3 - A command line interface for SQLite 3 Jul 27 15:10:03 libsqlite3-dev - SQLite 3 development files Jul 27 15:10:03 the sqlite site doesn't have maemo packages and the "maemo port" page appears to have been offline for some time (i've actually found google results about people complaining about this) Jul 27 15:10:14 what repository is that? Jul 27 15:10:26 i don't know Jul 27 15:10:29 heh Jul 27 15:10:36 apt-cache show sqlite3 Jul 27 15:10:43 <||cw> maemo really needs less repo's Jul 27 15:10:49 oh. you're not a bot :) Jul 27 15:10:52 sorry :) Jul 27 15:11:05 damn. no qt3 in the sb repos? Jul 27 15:11:09 doesn't show the repo just the name Jul 27 15:11:15 Filename: pool/gregale/free/s/sqlite3/sqlite3_3.3.5-0.2osso1_armel.deb Jul 27 15:11:38 oh apt-cache policy Jul 27 15:11:45 http://repository.maemo.org gregale/free Packages Jul 27 15:11:46 how perplexing Jul 27 15:11:51 gregale, eh? Jul 27 15:11:52 thx. Jul 27 15:11:59 also appears to be in mistral Jul 27 15:12:40 mistral is oldschool 770, right? Jul 27 15:13:30 yeah - but it's the default repo when you flash the latest image - afaict Jul 27 15:13:33 arrggh.. maemo mapper wants a package called "sqlite3-0", not "sqlite3" Jul 27 15:13:34 insanity. Jul 27 15:14:02 write the maemo mapper maintainer Jul 27 15:14:09 porters need feedback! Jul 27 15:16:14 i think he could specify sqlite3 as an alternative requirement - not sure how Jul 27 15:16:47 One of the problems of not having co-ordinated build packages for common libraries. Jul 27 15:17:16 woot - got smw loading down to 5 seconds :) Jul 27 15:18:07 http://pastebin.com/m221fb411 Jul 27 15:18:08 :( Jul 27 15:18:27 This is a pain. /scratchbox/tools/bin/misc_runner: SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD not set Jul 27 15:18:36 so set it Jul 27 15:18:55 0? disabled? lolcat? Jul 27 15:19:05 i dont want any trans Jul 27 15:26:22 ok for these games with big data, i think i can do an automated install with the debian shellscripts: 1) test if mmc1 is mounted. 2) test if mmc1 has enough free space 3) test if /media/mmc1/games exists and if not create it 4) install game data under mmc1/games/gamename Jul 27 15:26:43 if no mmc1 mounted with free space, then install to /usr/share/ if enough free space Jul 27 15:32:03 How did you inted to distribute the data files, inside the .deb or make the scripts download them? Jul 27 15:42:24 what is with section 3.3 on this page: http://maemo.org/legal/terms_of_use/ Jul 27 15:43:25 inz: there are debs for binary and data Jul 27 15:46:10 pupnik, so you will need momentarily twice the disk space the data package takes Jul 27 15:46:32 pupnik, well, I guess it's not that much of a problem, and it wouldn't be too easy to avoid using download scripts either Jul 27 15:48:29 hmm Jul 27 15:50:25 thanks inz, i forgot about the space requirements in /tmp (or wherever the package data goes) Jul 27 15:53:43 perhaps a download script would be better Jul 27 15:54:53 pupnik, normally the cache is in /var/cache/apt/archives Jul 27 15:55:30 pupnik, IIRC /tmp is tmpfs on the devices, so keeping the packages there would mean that they'd eat memory Jul 27 15:56:11 oh yes i knew that :/ Jul 27 15:56:31 is there any hope for getting flash not to suck on the n800? Jul 27 15:57:31 flash sucks cpu Jul 27 15:57:59 flash sucks. period. Jul 27 15:58:18 well yes, but you'd figure one could get it to work a bit better.... Jul 27 16:00:30 works fine on a 2Ghz x86 Jul 27 16:00:59 not on a pentium 2 266mhz Jul 27 16:01:05 heh Jul 27 16:01:12 i.e. the problem is not with the n800 Jul 27 16:02:56 <`0660> i guess flash video is entirely different case as mplayer seems to play it just fine? Jul 27 16:03:21 yes Jul 27 16:09:59 will skype be recieving an update so that it can use the n800s camera, or is it still limited by the fact that linux skype doesnt have camera support yet at all? Jul 27 16:27:17 do you know where I could find some source code where VFP is used ? Jul 27 16:27:58 prefreable something in assembly that can be compiled with the CS toolchain used in maemo Jul 27 16:33:27 hmm i made .deb packages that install just fine on my device Jul 27 16:33:29 BUT Jul 27 16:33:40 a friend of mine isntalled the last os update Jul 27 16:33:43 and it doesn't install Jul 27 16:33:45 and i don't know why Jul 27 16:33:47 any idea ? Jul 27 16:34:26 Without seeing the error log, no. Jul 27 16:34:38 did not think about that Jul 27 16:34:45 package details say incompatible application package Jul 27 16:35:10 ok i know why Jul 27 16:35:13 I'm having a problem with my mail-program in N800. I just configured my imap-account and now it's dead slow, when I try to use it Jul 27 16:35:22 because it's not in the user section it seems Jul 27 16:35:23 I think mainly because I have about 3000 mails in my inbox Jul 27 16:35:39 pakcage must have "Section: user/F00" to be considered compatible Jul 27 16:35:57 i guess i have to rebuild the package Jul 27 16:36:06 however, without rebuilding it, is there a way to workaround that ? Jul 27 16:36:15 you can install with dpkg -i Jul 27 16:36:31 does anyone know where mail-program stores mails in the filesystem? Jul 27 16:37:01 guardian: or have Red Pill mode installed (which is what I guess you have) Jul 27 16:37:15 pupnik: i tried that but on his tablet xterm asks me the root pass , tried "rootme" but did not work Jul 27 16:37:24 Jaffa: yeah mine have it but not his Jul 27 16:37:28 mine has it Jul 27 16:37:32 guardian: you have to `sudo gainroot' before dpkg -i Jul 27 16:38:22 i'm discovering funny messages Jul 27 16:38:30 "enable RD mode if you want to break your device" Jul 27 16:38:30 :D Jul 27 16:38:55 red-pill might be faster Jul 27 16:39:12 then you could install that package from the app installer Jul 27 16:39:19 definitely Jul 27 16:39:27 however i'm surprised "sudo -s" then "rootme" doesn't work Jul 27 16:39:27 Has anybody ported emacs to the n800? Jul 27 16:40:48 guardian: it's explicitly disabled. Install the "becomeroot" package, then "sudo gainroot" in a terminal, then dpkg -i Jul 27 16:40:49 AD-N770: why asm? Afaik, just write code using floats and with proper gcc options, they are converted to vfp instructions instead of something else.. Jul 27 16:40:58 Jaffa: thx Jul 27 16:41:12 i'm discovering stuff it's cool :) Jul 27 16:41:50 AD-N770: "write code" as in "write C code" .. Jul 27 16:43:05 kulve: vecause i want to use the vector instead of the scalar Jul 27 16:43:09 because Jul 27 16:44:03 I would guess nobody has written vfp code in asm for n800.. Jul 27 16:44:39 I think that some liboil functions could be written using vfp Jul 27 16:45:06 could be. My knowledge doesn't go that low level.. Jul 27 16:45:37 I would like to try it this weekend, and I was looking for some sample code Jul 27 16:46:41 if i understood correctly, the vfp that's used on the N800 can operate with sets of registers Jul 27 16:48:00 this could be used to write some liboil functions that perform operations on vectors of single and double precision, on x86 are written using SSE Jul 27 16:54:46 * pupnik prays for OpenGL ES 2.0 on the N900 (or whatever it will be called) Jul 27 16:55:36 AD-N770: what apps/whatever you think would gain something from better optimized liboil? Jul 27 16:57:01 kulve: some gstreamer stuff uses liboil Jul 27 16:58:11 gst uses gst plugins (wrappers) which uses external codecs, which often doesn't use liboil (I don't have too much experience on those though..) Jul 27 16:58:55 Sparrow, the built-in mail is way broken, I'd suggest to avoid it Jul 27 16:59:41 kulve: not all the plugins are the codecs provided by external ones Jul 27 17:01:53 inz: so it seems. Do you have any recommendations? Jul 27 17:02:07 I located the directory where it stores it's mails Jul 27 17:02:11 and deleted them Jul 27 17:07:20 enough for me today, see u, enjoy the weekend Jul 27 17:11:32 so smc is failing to start because of this error, Error: screen mode creation failed Reason: Maximum supported bitdepth is 16 Jul 27 17:11:43 can someone explain wtf does that mean... Jul 27 17:13:21 offhand, I'd say you are running with a color depth greater than 16bits and the programs does like that... Jul 27 17:20:02 major bummer i Laosed up my 770 real bad Jul 27 17:20:10 so now im going to flash it Jul 27 17:20:18 what is the best os for the 770 Jul 27 17:20:31 with the most application support Jul 27 17:21:33 evening Jul 27 17:21:57 pupnik: when speaking of the *n900* when you think that'll hit the streets? year? two? Jul 27 17:22:08 maddler: afternon Jul 27 17:22:13 ajt: :) Jul 27 17:22:27 ajt: I'd say 1.5yr Jul 27 17:23:02 Sparrow, claws-mail is the best I've run into Jul 27 17:23:11 maddler: sounds about right Jul 27 17:23:30 maddler: been considering the purchase of the n800 Jul 27 17:23:47 figured I'd idle in here for a while and see what neat shit it can do Jul 27 17:23:58 what is the os of choice for the 770? Jul 27 17:24:34 hey, do people here generally update packages when an update is available? Jul 27 17:24:36 I'd go for hacker's edition :) Jul 27 17:24:52 cbx33: I do Jul 27 17:24:58 ok Jul 27 17:24:58 unless I don't care :) Jul 27 17:25:05 maddler why the hacker eddtion Jul 27 17:25:14 is there some where i can r ead about the difference Jul 27 17:25:18 wish you could update all in one go Jul 27 17:25:45 roundeye: it's basically a backport of N800 OS release Jul 27 17:26:00 for the 770? Jul 27 17:26:12 cbx33: you could try from cli, but it could have some side effects Jul 27 17:26:13 ajt: right Jul 27 17:26:21 yeh Jul 27 17:26:27 ajt: some features are missing btw... Jul 27 17:26:28 maddler: does it have support for many aplications like os 2006 Jul 27 17:26:29 ? Jul 27 17:26:29 maddler: w/ skype support? Jul 27 17:26:34 i'll do it through app thing Jul 27 17:26:35 maddler: video stuff of course Jul 27 17:26:42 ajt: and also think about about *much* improved hardware of N800 Jul 27 17:26:57 ajt: no... no skype support (yet) Jul 27 17:27:12 I like how you say *yet* Jul 27 17:27:42 ajt: I basically can't exclude that an update hackers' edition will be released (sooner or later) Jul 27 17:28:57 does it2007he now go into suspend when the cover is put on? Jul 27 17:29:42 man super mario war is fun... got some more tweaks done just now - getting around 40-50 fps constantly Jul 27 17:30:13 well on the starting level at least Jul 27 17:33:22 what other devices can maemo run on? Jul 27 17:35:04 hey, i'm having a bit of a problem. trying to copy over a 30gig file over to reiserfs (from win32) pscp cuts off at 3.5gigs, samba won't work, any ideas? Jul 27 17:35:58 erm sorry the destination fs is ext3 not reiserfs Jul 27 17:36:25 ajt, maemo is the SDK, not an OS Jul 27 17:36:40 (anyway found a page about large file support, reading that) Jul 27 17:36:45 ahh Jul 27 17:36:55 inz: time to go do some reading :) Jul 27 17:37:29 pupnik: dunno... I think it does Jul 27 17:37:38 so the n800 basically runs debian w/ maemo? Jul 27 17:37:53 disq: split it and then merge? Jul 27 17:37:54 ajt, n800 runs "Internet Tables OS 2007" Jul 27 17:37:58 -s+t Jul 27 17:38:07 inz: oh Jul 27 17:38:13 maddler: space problems on the win32 system Jul 27 17:38:30 pupnik, the fps can be changed in options... Jul 27 17:38:51 mm. i'll put it up on the web and try wget Jul 27 17:38:56 be aware if you do lower or raise it, sound might not work... Jul 27 17:39:23 unique311: that's a maximum fps number - on levels with lots of sprites, the 770 sometimes can't do more than 15-20 fps Jul 27 17:39:35 smc, i'm getting 62 fps which is set normal. Jul 27 17:39:35 really? aha... Jul 27 17:39:36 ok Jul 27 17:39:48 Length: -657,391,616 Jul 27 17:39:53 heh that's wget for you (or could be IIS) Jul 27 17:40:08 disq, I'd guess IIS ;) Jul 27 17:40:09 smw* Jul 27 17:40:22 still trying to get smc to work Jul 27 17:40:36 is there an onscreen fps counter? Jul 27 17:41:18 samba said disk full after 11 gigs of transfer Jul 27 17:41:29 inz: there a website on Internet Tablet OS 2007? Google isn't turning up anything aside form articles about the upgrade Jul 27 17:41:35 might be...need a keyboard to use the extra options Jul 27 17:41:50 menus Jul 27 17:42:01 ajt: did you check the ITT forums? should be a few reviews there Jul 27 17:42:23 unique311: do you see a slowdown with the swirl spawning? i have to switch it to 'door' spawning because the swirls use too many transparent sprites Jul 27 17:42:24 disq: ITT forums? Jul 27 17:42:31 ajt, internettablettalk.com Jul 27 17:42:36 ITT? Jul 27 17:42:36 <_Monkey> ITT is http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums Jul 27 17:42:43 no.. Jul 27 17:42:51 thanks Jul 27 17:42:53 check out the video i made Jul 27 17:43:03 no issues at all. Jul 27 17:43:07 ITT forums is http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums Jul 27 17:43:10 ITT forums? Jul 27 17:43:11 <_Monkey> well, ITT forums is http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums Jul 27 17:43:18 goodmonkey Jul 27 17:43:19 <_Monkey> i heard goodmonkey was a good _Monkey who gets a biscuit. Jul 27 17:44:27 ~lart me Jul 27 17:44:28 * infobot farts in inz's general direction Jul 27 17:44:50 ew Jul 27 17:51:21 mounted the smb share in linux and started the cp, hope it works Jul 27 17:51:58 unique311: what buttons do you use for turbo and weapon/special? Jul 27 17:53:57 volume up and down Jul 27 17:54:05 yeah same Jul 27 17:54:30 sucks though, i'd rather have buttons on the right - even maybe onscreen buttons Jul 27 17:54:54 oh playing two player is possible - one just uses bluetooth keyboard Jul 27 17:55:47 just :P Jul 27 17:56:37 find an SDL expert Jul 27 17:57:19 do you think it'd be better with onscreen buttons? Jul 27 17:57:51 pupnik: gaming on the n800? Yeah. better with OSD buttons. Jul 27 17:58:20 yeah Jul 27 17:58:26 theirs space for buttons. Jul 27 17:58:34 i've been testing UQM with the onscreen buttons for about a week and it is pretty playable Jul 27 17:58:41 we need like an overlay keyboard. One with only 4 buttons. And it just shows up for certain games. Jul 27 17:58:59 I don't even know if that sort of an overlay is possible though. Jul 27 17:59:12 ? Jul 27 17:59:29 I mean as a separate application. Jul 27 17:59:29 they work in fceu and UQM Jul 27 17:59:32 oh Jul 27 17:59:43 that way we wouldn't have to hack each app. Jul 27 18:00:02 well imo the SDL display has to be shifted to the left to make space Jul 27 18:00:16 unless it's transparent Jul 27 18:00:17 yes Jul 27 18:00:44 It's not really difficult :) Jul 27 18:00:45 but yeah, if not transparent, you could probably hack some part of hildon to do that, right? Jul 27 18:01:31 i guess it's possible Jul 27 18:02:10 have you guys seen that new python iphone keyboard for the n800? Jul 27 18:02:27 Error Loading Music: Module format not recognized Jul 27 18:02:30 I haven't played with it, but I read the article. I wonder if they would have any suggestions. Jul 27 18:02:42 you seeing that ^^ error when you exit the game unique311 ? Jul 27 18:02:56 no Jul 27 18:03:40 ok it might be aproblem with it2006's libSDL Jul 27 18:04:12 maemo.org down (or broken)? Jul 27 18:04:24 does music run continuously through the game? or just when you win a level or someone gets down to 0 lives? Jul 27 18:17:16 maemo.rog down? Jul 27 18:23:16 Seems so.. Jul 27 18:24:26 not cool :( Jul 27 18:28:00 Hmm the box has a load of 33 ;) Jul 27 18:28:11 maemo.org now redirects to itelf Jul 27 18:28:29 someone is obviously performing maintenance (good timing - friday afternoon - not) Jul 27 18:28:41 i would wish (and have asked) that they pre-announce maintenance Jul 27 18:28:52 it's not hard, and is considered professional where I come from ;) Jul 27 18:29:16 it always looks so much better than a site which disappears because someone fancies a bit of a tinker Jul 27 18:29:18 <|tbb|> damn second time a week my sdhc-card doesnt work after copying files to it Jul 27 18:29:47 <|tbb|> now i cant format it because the system doesnt reconize the card anymore Jul 27 18:30:06 sdhc bug? Jul 27 18:30:21 bug 1204 (https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1204) is your friend. try the app in comment #45 Jul 27 18:30:32 1204? Jul 27 18:30:33 (i've no idea if it works, but it worked for someone) Jul 27 18:30:47 I can't remember what the _Monkey tag is for that... Jul 27 18:31:59 milhouse: I am logged in to the box, it was overloaded somehow. It should be back to normal now.. Jul 27 18:34:26 x-fade: yep, looks ok now - thanks Jul 27 18:34:49 for a while i was just getting a page for http://maemo.org which said "Click here to go to maemo.org" very strange Jul 27 18:35:19 milhouse: Yeah, had the same problem this afternoon.. Jul 27 18:36:04 sdhc bug is https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1204 Jul 27 18:36:11 sdhc bug? Jul 27 18:36:11 <_Monkey> rumour has it sdhc bug is https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1204 Jul 27 18:36:54 sdhc bug is also costing end users money because it makes N800's eat expensive cards Jul 27 18:36:55 <_Monkey> okay, milhouse. Jul 27 18:36:58 sdhc bug? Jul 27 18:36:59 <_Monkey> sdhc bug is https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1204 or costing end users money because it makes N800's eat expensive cards Jul 27 18:37:32 oh well not perfect but should do the trick Jul 27 18:37:58 milhouse: You might want to add 'allegedly' there :) Jul 27 18:38:41 forget sdhc bug Jul 27 18:38:42 <_Monkey> milhouse: I forgot sdhc bug Jul 27 18:38:50 sdhc bug is https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1204 Jul 27 18:38:51 why? seems to be a legitimate issue. Jul 27 18:40:08 I haven't seen reports confirming it every time with the same type of card in the same slot? Jul 27 18:40:29 Or did I miss something? Jul 27 18:40:34 sdhc bug is also sometimes turns an N800 into an expensive SD/SDHC card eating machine (which may leave you out of pocket) Jul 27 18:40:34 <_Monkey> okay, milhouse. Jul 27 18:40:37 sdhc bug? Jul 27 18:40:37 <_Monkey> sdhc bug is probably https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1204 or sometimes turns an N800 into an expensive SD/SDHC card eating machine (which may leave you out of pocket) Jul 27 18:40:44 <|tbb|> the card doesnt reconized from the internal card slot Jul 27 18:41:06 internal is unusual, it's usually the external slots that causes the most problems Jul 27 18:41:06 <|tbb|> cant testmedia from card wiper tool Jul 27 18:41:34 <|tbb|> before it was on the external slot Jul 27 18:42:09 tbb - so it was knackered while in the external slot? Jul 27 18:42:22 X-Fade: I think that's Nokia's job, not ours. It seems pretty obvious that there is a major problem and that it eats cards. Jul 27 18:43:02 i'm surprised nokia haven't asked anyone to post their dead card so they can see what is happening, considering they are unable to reproduce the problem Jul 27 18:43:35 yeah, or maybe buy a big expensive SDHC card themselves and see if they can reproduce it. That's what I'd do. Jul 27 18:43:46 no, no - what am i saying. of course i'm not surprised nokia aren't discussing this problem in public. Jul 27 18:45:49 <|tbb|> milhouse what is knackered? Jul 27 18:45:56 your card? Jul 27 18:46:22 lol Jul 27 18:46:40 <|tbb|> yes in the external slot Jul 27 18:47:06 k, so that continues the pattern seen by most others - it's the external slot which has the most leathality Jul 27 18:47:20 internal seems pretty much ok Jul 27 18:47:36 <|tbb|> need to get the card working Jul 27 18:47:43 <|tbb|> but how Jul 27 18:47:50 I think you might be out of luck. Jul 27 18:47:54 i do hope it's not a design flaw, which occasionally results in the external slots squirting too much juice into the card Jul 27 18:48:02 I don't think anyone has successfully revived one of those dead cards. Jul 27 18:48:14 milhouse: I think that might be it, actually. Jul 27 18:48:22 have you tried the software mentioned in the final comment of bug 1204? The Panasonic software doesn't work apparently Jul 27 18:48:22 Just a guess on my end. Jul 27 18:48:59 trevarthan - that's where my money is too... according to PhilL there are electrical differences between the internal and external slots Jul 27 18:49:21 with luck they can bring it under control with software much as they did the dodgey touchscreen Jul 27 18:49:30 yeah Jul 27 18:49:51 ooooo.... here's hoping the n880 has multitouch. :) Jul 27 18:50:05 (and doesn't eat SDHC cards) Jul 27 18:57:31 what is multitouch good for? Jul 27 18:57:53 thumb typing? e.g. shift and keypress? Jul 27 18:58:03 well, the thumb keyboard is the most prominent, IMO. Jul 27 18:58:43 i'd hate to spend 40 euro extra just for that :) give me multibutton! Jul 27 18:59:01 yeah. shift, plus just typing multiple keys quickly. the current keyboard freaks out if you have more than one region pressed at a time. With multitouch, you could detect which was pressed first and not freak out. Jul 27 18:59:11 ah makes sense! Jul 27 18:59:55 while we're at it - compiz/beryl with all windows mapped to opengl textures, for fast layering Jul 27 19:00:02 I think the iphone uses it for finger gestures too, like pinch to zoom, but I don't really care about that. I just want a decent keyboard. Jul 27 19:00:10 :) Jul 27 19:00:11 and a transparent thumbkeyboard that automagically dims the background window enough to see the buttons Jul 27 19:00:15 yeah, that's a bit harder though. Jul 27 19:00:37 doesn't maemo 4.0 add alpha channel support to the GUI? Jul 27 19:00:46 it's not realistic due to memory limitations on the 3d chip, i think Jul 27 19:00:55 i'm sure some of the demos have transparency in the gui Jul 27 19:01:03 maybe not... it's fun to blather about new features though Jul 27 19:01:06 hmm Jul 27 19:01:24 demos on maemo.org? youtube? Jul 27 19:01:34 sorry... "demos" wrong word Jul 27 19:01:41 pictures and sardine mainly Jul 27 19:01:47 BTW, I just added GST support to kagu: https://www.guardiani.us/projects/kagu/changeset/244 It's disabled for testing currently, but the core functionality is there. Jul 27 19:02:24 pupnik - look at this http://importluck.blogspot.com/2007/06/sardine-with-alpha-channel.html Jul 27 19:03:13 cool :) Jul 27 19:04:15 looks like fake transparency, like KDE's form of transparency. Jul 27 19:04:23 pre-rendered, in other words. Jul 27 19:04:35 i hope not Jul 27 19:04:43 <|tbb|> trevarthan: is this your site? Jul 27 19:05:21 |tbb|: the kagu thing? Yeah. I'm the lead developer and it's hosted from my house. Jul 27 19:05:38 please don't hack me. :) Jul 27 19:06:30 <|tbb|> i have buyed a stereo bluetooth headset from motorola s9 Jul 27 19:06:57 Yeah, I've got an s9 too. It works with kagu. Jul 27 19:07:02 Just follow the instructions. Jul 27 19:07:20 <|tbb|> have used the kagu playa for using it but the sound not clear sometimes :( Jul 27 19:08:46 MoRpHeUz: hey, the url? ;) Jul 27 19:08:50 sorry |tbb|. I really need to put this online somewhere. You need to bump the sbcbitpool value in ~/.a2dprc from 32 to 53 and restart kagu. Then the sound won't suck. Jul 27 19:09:08 kulve: hi! how are you ?! Jul 27 19:09:30 MoRpHeUz: fine, thanks :) Summer holiday almost over.. Jul 27 19:09:43 kulve: =) Jul 27 19:09:50 kulve: try something like this: Jul 27 19:12:45 kulve: http://IP:40000/stream.do?transcoder=gmencoder&type=myth&uri=backend_ip:backend_port/livetv/?channel=channel_number Jul 27 19:12:52 you can use transcoder=mencoder also Jul 27 19:13:44 MoRpHeUz: how's that coming BTW? Did you ever fix the mencoder reliability issues? I started trying to fix it, but then I got side tracked with Kagu. Jul 27 19:16:49 trevarthan: well, last time I tried everything was working...(using mpeg1)... Jul 27 19:17:37 Did the new firmware fix any mpeg4 streaming? Jul 27 19:19:34 MoRpHeUz: thx, I'll try it Jul 27 19:19:49 trevarthan: nop =( Jul 27 19:19:53 kulve: =) Jul 27 19:19:58 Can that be used to stream files too? That would be more important for me, I guess Jul 27 19:19:59 bummer... Jul 27 19:20:18 kulve: for sure, just change the "type" from type=myth to type=file Jul 27 19:20:21 well, but we can do kmplayer plugins in the new mozilla browser, though, right? Jul 27 19:20:22 type=dvd also works Jul 27 19:20:29 but for files, some sort of browser would be convenient Jul 27 19:20:38 trevarthan: never thought about that..good idea.. ;-) Jul 27 19:21:26 kulve: I have a function called list.do (http://IP:40000/list.do) but it just lists files at a directory called ".transcoded" inside gmyth-streamer for security purpouses.. Jul 27 19:21:35 but it's easy to get it off the source-code Jul 27 19:21:38 ;-) Jul 27 19:21:43 ok Jul 27 19:23:36 <|tbb|> trevarthan: nice sound much better now Jul 27 19:24:24 good. glad to hear it. sorry about that. I'll have to fix the bluetooth-alsa debs or something. Jul 27 19:24:51 <|tbb|> chances to improve the cpu consume? Jul 27 19:24:53 I think you make either the fourth or fifth person besides myself who is using a2dp. Jul 27 19:25:04 in kagu, mplayer, or a2dpd? Jul 27 19:25:30 kagu? maybe. mplayer, or a2dpd: probably not. Jul 27 19:25:31 <|tbb|> a2dpd Jul 27 19:25:54 a2dpd is already pretty optimized, from what I hear from the developers. It's not written by me. Jul 27 19:26:08 <|tbb|> how long you could listen to a fully charged battery Jul 27 19:26:29 maybe 2 hours, if lucky. more like 1, I think. Jul 27 19:26:41 I usually plug it in and use them at my desk. Jul 27 19:27:01 Honestly, I find the s9 rather uncomfortable. :) Jul 27 19:27:04 <|tbb|> k i understand Jul 27 19:27:22 <|tbb|> is it possible to stream the fm-radio to mplayer? Jul 27 19:27:47 probably. never tried. I want to try though. I just don't have time. Jul 27 19:28:03 fm radio uses a normal v4l2 interface, I think. Jul 27 19:28:30 very similar to the radios found on hauppauge tv cards, I think. Jul 27 19:28:52 (from userspace, I mean. I doubt the hardware is similar) Jul 27 19:29:14 yeah afaik it's the same api Jul 27 19:32:58 Hehe, nice story about a guy that build a 1 TB music server and finally reached the conclusion that a N800 + Rhapsody was all he needed :) Jul 27 19:33:01 http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT6488801276.html Jul 27 19:33:29 that's why Rhapsody could have been a killer application - such a shame it's limited to US only Jul 27 19:33:49 Rhapsody + N800 + 3G unlimited data connection... bliss Jul 27 19:34:23 Yep, would have been nice... Jul 27 19:40:02 i wish i knew how to generate profiling information on teh nokia Jul 27 19:41:15 pupnik: easy with python. not sure about C apps. Jul 27 19:41:34 nokia website says "For updating your software using a Linux computer, go to www.maemo.org". I can't find the info on how to update the OS on my 770. Jul 27 19:41:46 well i did generate some actually, but i'm not sure if it's real Jul 27 19:43:35 I'm currently using Version: 2.2006.39-14. Is an update in order? Jul 27 19:45:38 i wonder if some madman could figure out a way to make the psion 5mx keyboard plug into USB Jul 27 19:45:45 pupnik, whats the video res on smw? Jul 27 19:45:53 640x480 Jul 27 19:46:32 <|tbb|> anyone knows for what is that good for https://garage.maemo.org/projects/cx3110x/ Jul 27 19:46:34 i got thru the 16 bpp error.. Jul 27 19:46:54 now complaining about no video mode large enough for 800x600 Jul 27 19:47:25 unique311: did you pull the latest svn sources? or are you working from some tarball? Jul 27 19:48:07 this is not mario war.. Jul 27 19:48:19 i'm working with mario chronicles Jul 27 19:48:24 oh cool Jul 27 19:48:30 video is set for 800x600 Jul 27 19:48:35 i need to lower it. Jul 27 19:49:07 with a correct res Jul 27 19:49:22 at first i was getting the 16Bpp error Jul 27 19:49:34 the developer helped me get rid of that.. Jul 27 19:49:45 you might look for SDL_CreateRGBSurface Jul 27 19:50:34 SDL_SetVideoMode Jul 27 19:51:17 wherever those are is where it sets up the screen Jul 27 19:52:10 k Jul 27 19:53:23 http://pupnik.de/aliens-1.0.2_Nokia.tgz you might want to look at that source for a reference for SDL (it's small) Jul 27 19:53:49 |tbb|: looks like the driver for the wifi chip in the n800 that you need for a custom kernel. The stock kernels include the wifi driver. I have not used it though. Jul 27 20:07:29 If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses.? - Henry Ford Jul 27 20:07:37 ^^ :) Jul 27 20:19:47 <|tbb|> damn how can i get my transcend 8gb shdc class6 card back working Jul 27 20:20:10 <|tbb|> the nokia doesnt reconized the card, i cant format it Jul 27 20:25:21 |tbb|: does the card have a warranty? Jul 27 20:25:41 <|tbb|> it supposed to have a warranty Jul 27 20:28:50 <|tbb|> but there might be a way to get it back working without bringing it back, i think the nokia wont brick a sdhc-card Jul 27 20:31:38 MoRpHeUz: ** (gmemcoder:10998): WARNING **: Audio elements not found Jul 27 20:31:42 MoRpHeUz: 404.. Jul 27 20:31:59 kulve: try with mencoder.. =/ Jul 27 20:32:20 |tbb|: I think you might be mistaken. Jul 27 20:32:45 MoRpHeUz: yeah, transcoding from file works with memcoder Jul 27 20:32:51 kulve: regarding these problems with gmencoder, the best person to ask is renatofilho_ as he coded it...it should work any way =( Jul 27 20:32:56 kulve: great! =) Jul 27 20:32:59 at least that.. Jul 27 20:33:01 (running mplayer on my own computer) Jul 27 20:33:07 <|tbb|> so could they make problems if i would use the warranty? Jul 27 20:33:25 kulve: that should work on n800 also (with mplayer on that) Jul 27 20:33:45 MoRpHeUz: I've compiled gmencoder on /usr/local/something -path.. Maybe that breaks something? Jul 27 20:34:03 and I haven't recompiled that for a month now.. Is there something new in the svn trunk? Jul 27 20:34:15 kulve: hhmm..probably this /usr/local stuff... Jul 27 20:34:26 |tbb|: not in the usa. not sure about germany though. Jul 27 20:34:52 <|tbb|> how can i mkfs.vfat for the internalcard whats the device name? Jul 27 20:35:07 kulve: this last month I didnt change anything on gmyth-streamer as I'm not on this team anymore but maybe them changed something on gmencoder and even gmyth..(I'm in canola team now) Jul 27 20:35:43 |tbb|: looks like on my n800, the device name for the internal card (mmc2) is: /dev/mmcblk0p1 Jul 27 20:35:57 (gleaned from `df -h` Jul 27 20:35:58 ) Jul 27 20:38:36 <|tbb|> nochance very disappointed over n8 kills sdhc Jul 27 20:40:37 MoRpHeUz: wow, that plays *nicely* on the n800 :) Jul 27 20:41:01 kulve: =) happy to hear that hehe...should be the same when using mythtv Jul 27 20:41:19 kulve: and should work also through the internet (not just on local lan) Jul 27 20:43:19 problem with live tv could be my powerless media box. It seems it can store nicely, but not show it real time plus store.. Jul 27 20:43:41 now I'm watching a recorded show.. I need some browser mode to select the file.. Jul 27 20:51:28 MoRpHeUz: you know, I talked to the mythtv devs about gmyth, and they said that probably the reason why it only works with mpeg1 is because it's got all that NUV crap still in the stream. Jul 27 20:52:14 mencoder can handle NUV, but it's old code and not up to date with mythtv (no libnuv or anything). Jul 27 20:52:21 trevarthan: hhmm Jul 27 20:52:27 maybe that's the reason Jul 27 20:52:47 I'll let the guys that are still working on it know about what you just said... Jul 27 20:52:54 thanks for that! =D Jul 27 20:53:06 yeah, let me know what they say too. I'm interested. Jul 27 20:58:03 trevarthan: for sure! Jul 27 20:58:58 MoRpHeUz: hmm.. I get the following error, when trying to see the live tv: Jul 27 20:58:59 "GET /stream.do?transcoder=mencoder&type=myth&uri=192.168.3.11:6543/livetv/?channel=65 HTTP/1.0" 200 - Jul 27 20:59:06 gms.mencoder ERROR Error: invalid literal for int(): Jul 27 20:59:14 gms.mencoder ERROR Error: Problems while starting streaming. Jul 27 20:59:28 gms.request ERROR localhost.localdomain: code 404, message File not found Jul 27 20:59:34 any hints..? Jul 27 20:59:44 kulve: any log on backend's side ? Jul 27 21:00:30 just a sec Jul 27 21:00:35 kulve: you can try "gmyth-cat -h backend_ip -p backend_port -c 65 > test.mpg" wait about 30 seconds, CTRL+C and try to play test.mpg (mplayer test.mpg) Jul 27 21:00:45 this should say if gmyth stuff is working correctly Jul 27 21:00:54 kulve: make sure you don't have straggler mencoder and/or gmyth processes hung in the background. Jul 27 21:02:11 trevarthan: seems that I don't. I do get a different error, if I try again without restartin gms.. Jul 27 21:02:57 MoRpHeUz: no errors on mythtv backend log as far as I can see.. Jul 27 21:03:21 MoRpHeUz: what's the default backend_port..? Jul 27 21:03:46 6543 Jul 27 21:04:00 yeah, that's the one I'm using Jul 27 21:04:37 GLib-CRITICAL **: g_io_channel_write_chars: assertion `channel != NULL' failed Jul 27 21:05:39 I still get "adding: fizi as a client (events: 0)" in the backend's log.. Jul 27 21:05:46 fizi being my computer.. Jul 27 21:12:37 kulve: strange... =( Jul 27 21:12:51 kulve: with gmyth-cat it doesnt work also ? Jul 27 21:13:47 no.. Would I need to pass the mysql db passwd and user somehow..? Jul 27 21:14:15 or maybe it doesn't need anything from mysql.. Jul 27 21:14:30 the gmyth-ls doesn't say anything unless I provide those Jul 27 21:14:51 with passwd and user the ls gives the channel list Jul 27 21:15:46 and the gmyth-cat segfaults after the criticals.. Jul 27 21:19:37 kulve: gmyth-cat -h backend_ip -p backend_port -u mythtv -c 65 > test.mpg Jul 27 21:19:39 try this Jul 27 21:21:08 invalid argument. It doesn't understand the -u. I'm just reading the gmyth_cat.c .. Jul 27 21:21:54 kulve: yeah, I didnt write this part of the code so I'm not sure of what is really happening Jul 27 21:32:17 MoRpHeUz: [gmyth_socket_receive_response] gmyth_socket.c:1161: Response received from backend: ----- {1[]:[]127.0.0.1[]:[]6543} Jul 27 21:32:48 the gmyth-cat connects to backend, gets that at some point and then tries to connect to 127.0.0.1 which is not the backend.. Jul 27 21:34:16 kulve: hhmm....maybe if you try to run mythtv-setup on the backend and besides putting 127.0.0.1 as the backends server putting its "real internal ip" it should work ! =) Jul 27 21:39:20 MoRpHeUz: that seemed to fix something ;) Jul 27 21:39:27 =) Jul 27 21:40:02 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=63642#post63642 Pupnik weighs in on how to save Maemo/ITOS and draw enough developers to make ITOS apps best-of-breed. Jul 27 21:40:07 and that doesn't take cpu at all at the media box.. Jul 27 21:41:34 MoRpHeUz: hmm.. now the cat works, but mplayer doesn't.. Jul 27 21:42:17 "GET /stream.do?transcoder=mencoder&type=myth&uri=192.168.3.11:6543/livetv/?channel=65 HTTP/1.0" 200 - Jul 27 21:42:18 kulve: try to put this: Jul 27 21:42:25 Error: invalid literal for int() Jul 27 21:42:31 gmyth-cat ...... | mplayer - Jul 27 21:42:36 and see what happens... Jul 27 21:43:10 works Jul 27 21:43:10 MoRpHeUz: did i see you in the kanotix chat or am i halluciremembering that? Jul 27 21:43:23 it works Jul 27 21:43:37 smc started in scratchbox Jul 27 21:43:42 pupnik: maybe halluciremembering hehe what should be kanotix ? =) Jul 27 21:44:02 ok sorry - kanotix was a debian-based distribution/livecd Jul 27 21:44:04 kulve: ok...so it should be a detail somewhere.. Jul 27 21:44:10 pupnik: no problem.. =) Jul 27 21:44:27 kulve: try to use this uri: Jul 27 21:44:33 pupnik, good news Jul 27 21:44:45 way cool! Jul 27 21:44:46 mythtv:mythtv@192.168.3.11:6543/livetv/?channel=65 Jul 27 21:45:21 bigger than freaking smw Jul 27 21:45:28 30+ maybe Jul 27 21:46:46 MoRpHeUz: I tried "mplayer http://mythtv:mythtv@192.168.3.11:6543/livetv/?channel=65" and the backend log shows "MythSocket(aca0dfa0:12): Protocol error: 'GET /liv' is not a valid size prefix. 176 bytes pending." Jul 27 21:47:36 kulve: this will not work...it should be Jul 27 21:48:33 > mplayer "http://ip:40000/stream.do?transcoder=mencoder&type=myth&uri=mythtv:mythtv@192.168.3.11:6543/livetv/?channel=65" -nocache Jul 27 21:48:40 oh Jul 27 21:48:50 note that the address is inside 'double quotes' Jul 27 21:50:26 same thing "Error: invalid literal for int()" Jul 27 21:55:49 MoRpHeUz: the error continues (dunno if they are just because of the first one): Jul 27 21:55:50 ERROR Error: Problems while starting streaming. Jul 27 21:55:50 ERROR localhost.localdomain: code 404, message File not found Jul 27 21:56:07 404'd! Jul 27 21:57:35 =/ Jul 27 21:59:35 that "invalid literal for int" sounds like my url has a wrong syntax.. Jul 27 22:00:29 kulve: or that somebody changed something in the code here and its broken =( Jul 27 22:00:56 kulve: you get errors while using gmencoder also right ? Jul 27 22:02:03 ** (gmemcoder:31523): WARNING **: Audio elements not found Jul 27 22:02:04 ** (gmemcoder:31523): WARNING **: Invalid uri Jul 27 22:02:49 that shows a parameter "-i myth://192.168.3.11:6543/livetv?channel=65" and doesn't even seem to connect to backend.. Jul 27 22:03:32 actually that's missing one / .. But it doesn't affect the situation.. Jul 27 22:11:30 kulve: yeah...I think that only renatofilho_ can answer that right now..maybe they did some change in the last week that broke it =/ Jul 27 22:12:28 MoRpHeUz: I haven't updated the svn trunk for a month.. Jul 27 22:25:56 kulve: hhmm...maybe some bug fix is missing hehe =P Jul 27 22:29:45 yeah, I need to update tomorrow Jul 27 22:29:58 it seems that that int() error is not from uri parsing.. Jul 27 22:30:13 I'll try more tomorrow, now I'm off to bed Jul 27 22:31:02 Could not resolve hostname `svn.sourceforge.net' Jul 27 22:31:03 .. Jul 27 22:32:21 pupnik, smc might be the jackpot... Jul 27 22:32:33 going to upload the source so you can compile for 770 Jul 27 22:32:39 yaay! Jul 27 22:36:56 this is turning into a very good week for gaming Jul 27 22:37:55 yes, indeed Jul 27 22:38:23 had to compile 1 dependency for it.. Jul 27 22:38:29 sdl_gfx Jul 27 22:38:51 going to redo everything. and package source for upload. Jul 27 22:40:50 i think total fullscreen can be achieved with smw Jul 27 22:41:03 by modifying one of the source files Jul 27 22:41:20 just got smc fullscreen.800x480 Jul 27 22:47:13 * codebx mentions how reliable the maemo.org site is Jul 27 22:48:43 I'm sorry to say that Monkey has died - the hard drive just went on the linux server that was his home :( RIP Monkey... back as soon as I have sourced a new disk Jul 27 22:49:17 Goodbye monkey, we hardly knew ye... Jul 27 22:49:27 He'll be back... don't know when... Jul 27 22:49:33 and some knew thou not at all :( Jul 27 22:49:42 thee rofl Jul 27 22:49:48 you mean monkey wasn't real.... Jul 27 22:49:51 omg Jul 27 22:50:01 hehe :) Jul 27 22:50:04 ...what was monkey? Jul 27 22:50:09 I knew I should have used that IBM Deathstar hard disk I had lying around... it wasn't being used for a reason! ;) Jul 27 22:50:12 the wisdom, the generosity Jul 27 22:50:14 monkey == chat bot Jul 27 22:50:23 ah-hah Jul 27 22:50:26 s/should/shoudn't/ Jul 27 22:50:35 deathstar lul Jul 27 22:51:00 aye... not well known for reliability Jul 27 22:51:27 yes, there has been a lull in deathstar production recently, not enough darth raider arrays around... Jul 27 22:53:10 just going through my collection of hard disks... probably not a good idea to rebuild with an old fujitsu disk from 2000 of undetermined size Jul 27 22:53:25 might have to fork out for a big-ish Samsung... they're usually pretty reliable Jul 27 22:53:43 I just realize i have almost as many drives as old vhs cassettes Jul 27 22:54:09 vhs cassettes... sounds familiar... explain? are they like 8-track? Jul 27 22:54:46 8 track? that sounds familiar...is that like betamax? Jul 27 22:55:02 my mom bought a svhs VCR two years ago >_< for $400 Jul 27 22:55:15 hehehe Jul 27 22:55:18 oops Jul 27 22:55:21 what a deal Jul 27 22:55:25 wow... let me know if she wants any cassettes I can do a good deal Jul 27 22:56:11 best thing i ever did was get a TiVo in 2000... goodbye VHS Jul 27 22:56:37 those get their program lists off the internet? Jul 27 22:56:46 they can do Jul 27 22:57:00 the original Series 1 TiVos needed to be hacked to use the internet Jul 27 22:57:46 Series 2 and Series 3 TiVo have native support for ethernet and network downloads Jul 27 22:58:49 pupnik, http://www.divshare.com/download/1389464-87d Jul 27 22:59:27 if you can try to compile where you store the data file on mmc1 or mmc2 Jul 27 22:59:41 going to run different flags to try and get that done.. Jul 27 23:00:23 what is it? Jul 27 23:00:49 secret maryo chronicles source Jul 27 23:01:20 also place the SDL_gfx source Jul 27 23:01:41 will only compile ./configure --disable-mmx Jul 27 23:02:34 the smc compile without no problems Jul 27 23:02:54 did you get the link Jul 27 23:03:02 this channel has the most lurkers i've ever seen Jul 27 23:03:07 no Jul 27 23:03:07 pupnik_, http://www.divshare.com/download/1389464-87d Jul 27 23:03:15 201 Jul 27 23:03:21 * celesteh lurks Jul 27 23:03:22 and at most 10 active Jul 27 23:03:23 lol Jul 27 23:03:25 hey Jul 27 23:04:11 pupnik, smc compile without the use of any flags Jul 27 23:04:36 for the SDL_gfx ./configure --disable-mmx Jul 27 23:05:03 is it better with SDL_gfx? Jul 27 23:05:10 it requires Jul 27 23:05:11 it Jul 27 23:05:27 the games looks good.. Jul 27 23:05:32 ah-hah Jul 27 23:07:04 its huge with the data files.. Jul 27 23:07:06 thanks unique311 Jul 27 23:07:12 30 MB Jul 27 23:07:23 meh, i don't have the scratchbox on here at the moment anyway Jul 27 23:07:25 are you going to make a garage page for it? Jul 27 23:07:50 how can i throw the data files on mmc1 and have it work Jul 27 23:07:53 no Jul 27 23:08:35 where is the data? /usr/share/smc ? Jul 27 23:09:08 if so then move the smc dir to /media/mmc1/games/smc (or whatever) Jul 27 23:09:22 and then make a symbolic link from the /usr/share to the mmc card Jul 27 23:09:27 like for e.g. Jul 27 23:09:30 usr/local/share Jul 27 23:09:47 ok Jul 27 23:09:47 ln -s /media/mmc1/games/smc /usr/local/share/smc Jul 27 23:09:55 it should work? Jul 27 23:10:12 yeah Jul 27 23:10:17 cool... Jul 27 23:10:38 going to see if it all works out.. Jul 27 23:11:22 make sure that the /usr/local/share/smc directory is deleted before doing the ln -s command Jul 27 23:11:44 hehe SecretMaemyo Jul 27 23:11:44 well i'm not on my device yet.. Jul 27 23:11:48 yeah Jul 27 23:11:52 its coined.. Jul 27 23:11:53 lol Jul 27 23:12:09 Secret Maemyo Chronicles.. Jul 27 23:12:44 do i need to download data files? Jul 27 23:12:48 no Jul 27 23:12:51 all include Jul 27 23:13:49 you are right man.. Jul 27 23:14:02 8 dls of the source already.. Jul 27 23:14:05 lurkers.. Jul 27 23:15:01 lol Jul 27 23:15:07 * codebx looks around guiltily Jul 27 23:15:53 im eager to toy around with scratchbox and get some stuff going Jul 27 23:16:00 i have no idea what i'm downloading from that divxshare site though Jul 27 23:16:38 * celesteh wishes scratchbox could run on OS X Jul 27 23:16:38 got a million errors running make in the SDL_gfx Jul 27 23:16:41 i really like the sketchy theme Jul 27 23:16:46 /var/tmp/ccEeLEBF.s:4794: Error: bad instruction `movq (%esi),%mm1' Jul 27 23:16:46 /var/tmp/ccEeLEBF.s:4795: Error: bad instruction `movq %mm1,%mm2' Jul 27 23:16:59 did you run it with the flag Jul 27 23:17:09 --disable-mmx Jul 27 23:17:22 aah MAEMO_README -- heh oops Jul 27 23:17:25 lol Jul 27 23:18:14 il'l have to look at that SDL_gfx. It looks like something which could speed up other sdl games Jul 27 23:20:14 unique, did you install the SDL_gfx with "make install" after compiling? Jul 27 23:20:31 yes Jul 27 23:20:45 if it is not working.. Jul 27 23:21:05 checking for SDL_gfxPrimitives.h... no Jul 27 23:21:14 not sure where those should go yet Jul 27 23:21:15 you need to run ./autogen.sh before running ./configure Jul 27 23:21:20 oh Jul 27 23:21:24 ldconfig Jul 27 23:22:04 SDL_gfxPrimitive installed in /usr/local/share Jul 27 23:22:21 somewhere its not being found.. Jul 27 23:22:31 you can move them to the correct folder.. Jul 27 23:22:42 which is /usr/include/SDL Jul 27 23:23:11 i remember having to do this Jul 27 23:23:29 i think it was installed in /usr/local/lib Jul 27 23:24:25 folder is /usr/local/included/SDL Jul 27 23:24:59 move the contents to or create a symlink to /usr/local/include/SDL Jul 27 23:25:22 go with moving the contents Jul 27 23:27:22 ahh the headers went into /usr/local/include/SDL -- moved them to /usr/include/SDL Jul 27 23:27:59 hey pupnik Jul 27 23:28:11 im going to test smw now! Jul 27 23:28:19 same deal with the libraries - thx unique311 Jul 27 23:28:23 np Jul 27 23:28:34 so, whats new? Jul 27 23:29:00 smc Jul 27 23:29:09 i haven't gotten the .desktop or the maemo-games-startup integration for smw yet Jul 27 23:30:12 compiling unique311's smc :)) Jul 27 23:32:00 unique311, its smw Jul 27 23:32:08 but if there is a smc too, i would love to test it Jul 27 23:32:19 pupnik_, and SDL_mixer? Jul 27 23:32:41 unique311 ok now i have the executable 514368 Jul 28 00:32 smc Jul 27 23:32:53 wow Jul 27 23:33:15 in scratchbox... Jul 27 23:33:18 it runs? Jul 27 23:33:29 you said it's 30 MB of data? Jul 27 23:33:53 i only see 8812 data Jul 27 23:34:38 not sure Jul 27 23:34:43 it was pretty big Jul 27 23:34:56 maybe newer version of data Jul 27 23:35:33 you right.. Jul 27 23:35:35 installing smw_data Jul 27 23:35:36 8MB Jul 27 23:37:24 ok it runs - how do you enter a level? Jul 27 23:37:48 in scratchbox? Jul 27 23:37:51 or device Jul 27 23:38:00 yeah "return" key goes to next level Jul 27 23:38:11 on device? Jul 27 23:38:16 in sb Jul 27 23:38:19 ok Jul 27 23:38:20 pupnik_ ,64 MB of virtual memory for a 770 is enough (smw)? Jul 27 23:38:32 yes Jul 27 23:38:48 Could not load Level : data/levels/yuki_1.txt Jul 27 23:38:50 hopefully smc plays nice with memory... Jul 27 23:38:50 hmm Jul 27 23:39:10 make sure the its in the directory Jul 27 23:40:00 yeah the stuff in /usr/local/share/smc looks kind of in the wrong place Jul 27 23:40:24 it is.. Jul 27 23:40:48 make install is supposedly broken.. Jul 27 23:40:48 you two are mario fanatics, right? Jul 27 23:41:01 (running smw...) Jul 27 23:41:13 running! \o/ Jul 27 23:41:15 no not a fanatic Jul 27 23:41:57 its looking for them in the source folder Jul 27 23:42:29 i ran smc from the src folder, so thats why i didn't come across that error Jul 27 23:42:44 ah Jul 27 23:42:50 hmm... Jul 27 23:44:57 WOW! VERY FAST!!!! Jul 27 23:45:10 and...btw...770 keypad sucks hehhe Jul 27 23:45:14 ok unique311 it was looking for the data from the current directory you're right Jul 27 23:45:17 yep NeoStrider :) Jul 27 23:45:35 this is excellent unique311 Jul 27 23:46:08 all that needs to be fixed.. Jul 27 23:46:12 the controls are relaly good Jul 27 23:46:46 how is the scrolling speed on the n800? Jul 27 23:46:52 i think i am inlove with SDL_gfx Jul 27 23:47:09 me too Jul 27 23:47:12 lol Jul 27 23:47:14 I use it extensivly Jul 27 23:47:24 aha! Jul 27 23:47:46 think smc will be much better. its an adventure type game. Jul 27 23:47:46 so i can ask you for help with it Jul 27 23:48:00 saw it on scratchbox and it looks really nice Jul 27 23:48:13 NeoStrider: what is the main advantage of SDL_gfx? fast layering/transparency/ Jul 27 23:48:55 the main advantage? not needing to code everything =-P Jul 27 23:49:02 its faster than the others Jul 27 23:49:14 but yeah, it has everything Jul 27 23:49:24 im using it for both 3D and 2D stuff Jul 27 23:49:28 even for fading routines Jul 27 23:49:58 ok well now comes the big test smc on 770 Jul 27 23:50:00 and keesj indeed used it for maemo-xmoto Jul 27 23:50:05 to replace opengl Jul 27 23:50:12 cool cool Jul 27 23:50:15 I want to test that too =-) Jul 27 23:50:55 well credit to unique311 for making this run on the tablets! Jul 27 23:51:25 and finding smw Jul 27 23:51:34 smc....maybe..spend a good day on this thing.. Jul 27 23:51:35 a lot of these games are obscure and hard to find Jul 27 23:51:46 google.. Jul 27 23:51:53 i love google. Jul 27 23:52:52 unique311, so far, the best 3rd party game for the tablet! Jul 27 23:52:57 just broke xterm Jul 27 23:53:16 deleted a file i wasn't suppose to.. Jul 27 23:53:20 feck Jul 27 23:53:30 which smw Jul 27 23:53:38 i think smc might beat that Jul 27 23:53:54 dunno Jul 27 23:53:57 but smw is pratical Jul 27 23:54:01 is a instant game Jul 27 23:54:06 yep Jul 27 23:54:24 smc seem to be a more strategical (you will need to think a lot with those keypads =-P) Jul 27 23:54:25 computer keeps kicking my ass Jul 27 23:54:30 don't like it much Jul 27 23:54:36 you can set difficulty down Jul 27 23:54:38 i had to Jul 27 23:54:46 under gameplay Jul 27 23:54:55 if you have to go lower than defualt.. Jul 27 23:54:58 i also limited fps to about 50 Jul 27 23:55:00 no reason in playing the game Jul 27 23:55:13 sound still works with the fps change? Jul 27 23:55:20 hey i started playing doom on "I can win" :) Jul 27 23:55:30 yeah but music is broken Jul 27 23:55:42 NeoStrider: do you get continuous music playback without errors? Jul 27 23:55:47 oops....smw game a error Jul 27 23:55:48 i get errors loading song Jul 27 23:55:53 no...no music at all Jul 27 23:56:18 ok same here - sdl has music loading/playback routines and it says format not recognized here Jul 27 23:56:23 x terminal: Error Loading Music: Module format not recognized Jul 27 23:56:37 the file are ogg Jul 27 23:56:55 maybe you need to install the libvorbis and all the other ogg stuff Jul 27 23:57:10 original game does not have those dependencies Jul 27 23:57:14 all the music files are ogg Jul 27 23:57:16 why dont you produce a thinner version without music? I guess the 770 cant handle it anyway Jul 27 23:57:48 but can the n800 or the 770 do ogg without the libraries? Jul 27 23:58:08 i think the answer is in SDL_mixer Jul 27 23:58:58 no Jul 27 23:59:07 the DSP only gets mp3 and aac, I guess Jul 27 23:59:16 and of course, wave Jul 27 23:59:26 im going to use low quality wave for angstron Jul 27 23:59:33 smaller download sizes Jul 28 00:00:01 make new music file Jul 28 00:00:02 s Jul 28 00:00:09 and hope for the best Jul 28 00:01:19 for me, smw is just fine Jul 28 00:01:35 when Im using the 770, Im always listening to some music anyway Jul 28 00:01:51 but, did smw passed the "home key" test? Jul 28 00:02:47 i don't think any sdl games do Jul 28 00:03:20 out-of-the-box Jul 28 00:03:26 no Jul 28 00:03:28 well Jul 28 00:03:36 angstron does pass it...sometimes Jul 28 00:05:50 ah - you make some kind of gtk wrapper around the sdl window? Jul 28 00:06:50 maemo-games-startup? Jul 28 00:08:18 yeah ok Jul 28 00:08:33 unique311: i get about - guessing 12-15 fps in smc Jul 28 00:09:03 cant get it working Jul 28 00:09:13 got my libraries all screwed.. Jul 28 00:09:29 send me your sdl_gfx Jul 28 00:09:52 why dont you guys do like me? I included sdl_gfx on my source Jul 28 00:11:06 i had to manually put in libSDL_ttf, libSDL_gfx and (maybe) libphysfs Jul 28 00:11:57 location? Jul 28 00:11:59 takes less work to the end user Jul 28 00:12:05 into /usr/lib on the device Jul 28 00:12:12 NeoStrider: makes sense!\ Jul 28 00:12:42 i can tar up those files but they were built under gregale Jul 28 00:12:45 internet tablets are not hackers only stuff anymore Jul 28 00:13:11 right Jul 28 00:13:21 those install links on maemo.org are great Jul 28 00:13:35 yeah Jul 28 00:13:37 automagically add the correct repository etc - great iea Jul 28 00:13:38 idea Jul 28 00:13:50 how did you guys created that data deb for smw? Jul 28 00:14:17 dpkg-buildpackage creates it Jul 28 00:14:52 goood...right now, the user has to place the data files on /media/mmc1....ugly Jul 28 00:15:22 and to create a repository, whats needed? Jul 28 00:16:05 i think a 20MB data .deb is a bad idea Jul 28 00:16:14 needs 40MB temp space on / while unpacking Jul 28 00:17:07 yeah, but if you look , most user data goes on mmc Jul 28 00:17:25 that's where the game data should go, IMO Jul 28 00:17:43 if .install could handle that, I would agree with you Jul 28 00:17:55 but right now, it cant =-( Jul 28 00:17:58 so i think for the final version, the location for game data should be user-selectable during install Jul 28 00:18:01 right Jul 28 00:18:18 im thinking about making two versions available Jul 28 00:18:28 one, very hackable, and other end-user-friendly Jul 28 00:18:53 mouse point in smc Jul 28 00:19:29 thats other point I would like to discuss Jul 28 00:19:33 did you rebuild the libs unique or still want them? Jul 28 00:19:44 i have them.. Jul 28 00:19:45 SDL_ShowCursor...with angstron, it takes about 5 seconds to work Jul 28 00:19:56 symlink was missig Jul 28 00:20:14 (if im getting annoying, please let me know =-P) Jul 28 00:20:20 no NeoStrider Jul 28 00:20:47 can you guys test the cursor thing and tell me? Jul 28 00:21:29 NeoStrider: the 'swirl' animations for respawning in smc are very slow for 770 - you can change that to "door" animation in settings - much much faster Jul 28 00:22:22 i still dont have smc! gimme the urls! Jul 28 00:22:53 http://www.divshare.com/download/1389464-87d Jul 28 00:23:03 can i test tomorrow NeoStrider ? Jul 28 00:23:04 How did you get pass the could not load level errors on the device pupnik_ Jul 28 00:23:12 sure Jul 28 00:23:15 no hurry Jul 28 00:23:35 not primary issue anyway Jul 28 00:23:46 the radar screen is my main concern now Jul 28 00:24:04 unique311: i put the smc in my /home/user then i did ln -s /usr/local/share/smc/data data Jul 28 00:24:16 instructions? Jul 28 00:24:19 k Jul 28 00:24:23 put it on /home/user and chmod? Jul 28 00:24:45 this build of smc wants the level data in $pwd/data/levels Jul 28 00:24:57 much better =-) Jul 28 00:25:13 i will put it on ~/MyDocs/.documents Jul 28 00:26:03 what OS versions you guys tried smc? Jul 28 00:26:26 2006 2.2 Jul 28 00:26:35 hmm no music oggs here Jul 28 00:28:14 NeoStrider, latest Jul 28 00:28:51 mine too Jul 28 00:29:07 N800 had music? Jul 28 00:29:30 still struggling with data Jul 28 00:29:53 no the music .oggs are missing from the tgz Jul 28 00:30:04 but i'm not getting the ogg sound effects, which are here Jul 28 00:31:03 you need to dl those from sourceforge Jul 28 00:31:15 not sure if i included the music folder Jul 28 00:33:07 "link not found" Jul 28 00:33:26 smc is a symlink...not a binary...I feel stupid Jul 28 00:33:41 search for secret maryo chronicles at sourceforge Jul 28 00:34:00 I saw the screenshows Jul 28 00:34:02 shots Jul 28 00:34:04 very nice Jul 28 00:37:32 well fellows...ill be working on angstron...if you want to say or ask anything, say my name...3 times....beetlejuice...beetlejuice...BEETLEJUICE! Jul 28 00:38:14 ok cheers NeoStrider Jul 28 00:38:28 cheers =-) Jul 28 00:46:48 unique311: pls fix so that we get sound and music :) Jul 28 00:47:12 i can't get it to run on my device... Jul 28 00:47:14 lol Jul 28 00:47:15 i suck Jul 28 00:47:20 what does it complain about? Jul 28 00:48:00 i had to make a "data" directory and move the levels into that Jul 28 00:48:05 couldn't open overworlds description file : /smc/share/sms/world/workds.txt Jul 28 00:48:30 i compile smc with --prefix=/smc Jul 28 00:48:35 think that was my error Jul 28 00:48:42 oh Jul 28 00:48:45 gonna compile with no flags.. Jul 28 00:48:52 tried all sorts of symlinks.. Jul 28 00:48:56 non want to work Jul 28 00:48:56 mine ended up in /usr/local/share/smc/world/ Jul 28 00:49:04 with no flags Jul 28 00:49:19 only 7mb Jul 28 00:49:46 ok i'll try to find out why smw and smc music isn't playing Jul 28 00:50:03 ogg Jul 28 00:50:37 maybe you should ask nymh at#secretmaryo Jul 28 00:50:48 i got some compiling to do Jul 28 00:50:52 ok Jul 28 00:54:30 gah. i deleted a file (ext3fs, raid0+1) and the diskspace won't come back Jul 28 00:54:47 (want my missing 30gig back) Jul 28 00:55:22 disq: Does some process still have it open? Jul 28 00:56:21 there's an in-use loop module and a [loop0] process but it doesn't show up in mount output (the file was a diskimage) Jul 28 00:56:57 At 30GB, I guessed. Jul 28 00:57:34 pupnik...with the music folder it is 30+mb Jul 28 00:57:47 37 to be exact Jul 28 00:58:04 yeah the bigmusic Jul 28 00:58:43 the n800 email prog is kind of gay Jul 28 00:58:54 i can't believe i couldnt have it store my emails on my sd card Jul 28 00:59:23 if there was ever a time i felt like kung fu fighting, it'd be right now Jul 28 01:03:07 derf, do you know if the serial port on the 770 (n800?) is always active? Jul 28 01:03:11 codebx: I can't even get it to check my mailbox. Jul 28 01:03:14 pupnik: No idea. Jul 28 01:03:24 codebx: It fills up RAM until it crashes. Jul 28 01:03:40 And then reboots the device. Jul 28 01:05:37 * pupnik is imagining a dirty hardware hack for dpad and rhs buttons tied to 5v and connecting to a few pins on the serial device :D Jul 28 01:08:11 lol Jul 28 01:08:29 im downloading that claws email client from maemo Jul 28 01:08:54 but i really like the notification thing that's set up on the left hand side of the screen when you get new email (the two people flash) Jul 28 01:09:05 kind of a shame the email client needs work Jul 28 01:09:36 I wouldn't know. Jul 28 01:09:48 =[ Jul 28 01:09:52 I've never been notified of new mail. Jul 28 01:09:58 lol Jul 28 01:10:13 well, you're not missing much anyways Jul 28 01:10:24 I just use webmail. Jul 28 01:10:37 yeah i just like to have stuff stored locally sometimes Jul 28 01:10:46 since i only have a wifi connection at home normally Jul 28 01:11:40 ill tell you if the claws email prog is any good Jul 28 01:15:16 huh. i love microsoft. why. virtualpc saved my crashed vmware image. which had lots of data and sourcecode and which the last backup is dated 2005 (ouch) Jul 28 01:27:41 lardman|gone: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/24295 some talk about Jazelle and GDB Jul 28 01:31:15 is there still no audio player for n800 that can do bookmarks? Jul 28 01:32:04 can you explain what that is? Jul 28 01:32:15 bmidgley: soon. not too soon though Jul 28 01:34:22 pupnik: for audio books... if you quit the player it remembers where you were Jul 28 01:35:15 lol, did you guys know the n800 has a myspace profile? Jul 28 01:35:48 he's more popular than that shady 770 character Jul 28 01:36:04 indeed Jul 28 01:36:16 vastly more popular than that tom fellow Jul 28 01:48:17 can someone tell me how to send enter key press with vnc viewer? Jul 28 01:49:40 what device is running vnc viewer? Jul 28 01:49:55 im running (.6?) on n800 Jul 28 01:50:05 need to login to a suse box. need to send enter. :/ Jul 28 01:50:23 does the center button on the dpad send enter? Jul 28 01:50:36 i try.. Jul 28 01:51:29 no it brings up the giant keyboard Jul 28 01:53:37 kind of a strange thing to leave out. there is line feed in the giant keyboard but its not sending as a keypress. Jul 28 01:54:29 disq: MS lover. Jul 28 01:55:25 disq: what happened man? Disk failure? Jul 28 01:56:31 trevarthan: during a clean reboot, vmware decided to kill the disk image Jul 28 01:57:06 wow. never had that happen before. Jul 28 01:57:26 every vmware tool i tried (all of which share the same codebase of course) were exiting with the same error code Jul 28 01:57:33 you weren't running the image from your n800's external sd slot, were ya? :) Jul 28 01:57:33 waa. well maybe ill file a bug report. if i can find where to send one. Jul 28 01:58:17 then i found a virtual pc image converter and converted away. Jul 28 01:58:38 heh. if it didn't work my next step was going to be turning the diskimage into raw and paying the namesys guys for fsck/fix Jul 28 01:59:24 you been working on that all day, eh? Jul 28 01:59:30 that's a shame. Jul 28 01:59:47 n800 can be a vmware host?? Jul 28 02:00:03 no. I was making fun of a bug. Jul 28 02:00:07 sdhc bug? Jul 28 02:00:15 _Monkey! Jul 28 02:00:18 i was waiting on that all day Jul 28 02:00:37 30gig imagefile, not enough space on the host machine, copied over to some other boxes etc Jul 28 02:01:28 yeah. that sucks. Well, I'm glad you got it working again. :) Jul 28 02:01:42 i could've gone to the isp and plugged in another hdd and it would've been faster. but then i wouldn't have time to relax and plan my next step Jul 28 02:02:11 zorb_: see this bug report https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=269&group_id=119&atid=505 Jul 28 02:02:31 who owns _Monkey, btw? Jul 28 02:02:38 i think milhouse Jul 28 02:02:41 ah Jul 28 02:03:58 disq: I watched one of those videos. He's a funny guy. Jul 28 02:04:24 yeah Jul 28 02:06:16 gstreamer sucks. They say I'm supposed to look for EOS (instead of EOF in mplayer), but it doesn't work half the time. Jul 28 02:06:35 did you check ukmp? Jul 28 02:07:25 yeah. you know how konttori does it? Jul 28 02:07:27 pupnik: bingo, thanks Jul 28 02:07:37 he checks to see if last second = current second. :) Jul 28 02:07:53 :) Jul 28 02:08:00 sadly, I think that's the only way that works. Jul 28 02:08:03 what happens if you miss the EOS? Jul 28 02:08:30 It sits there, indefinitely. Jul 28 02:08:33 does it sit there silently, or garbage etc? Jul 28 02:08:34 ah, ok Jul 28 02:09:22 It keeps crashing on me too. I think konttori found ways around that too though. I couldn't get UKMP to crash on the hour long car ride home. Jul 28 02:10:07 It's kinda cool when it works. Much faster switching songs than mplayer. And less CPU, I think. But I just wish it wasn't so picky. Jul 28 02:10:51 you could also use osso-mediaserver but if you hit a bug there's no way to fix it anytime soon :) Jul 28 02:11:18 there's a dbus method you can call to get it to play a file, and some other callbacks to get position and length Jul 28 02:12:06 huh. neato. I'll do that if I can't get gst to stop crashing, but I figure I can fix it even if I have to copy every line from UKMP. :) Jul 28 02:12:38 i have the method to call somewhere, and i posted the getposition thingy to bugzilla (search for "mediaserver dbus") Jul 28 02:12:44 (or "dbus api") Jul 28 02:22:28 speed is good on the n800 Jul 28 02:23:44 speed? Jul 28 02:24:15 speed the movie? Jul 28 02:24:28 the speed isn't absolutely terrible but Jul 28 02:24:42 i could probably draw the frames of movies faster than they play embedded in the browser Jul 28 02:24:45 secret maryo Jul 28 02:40:07 I'm so annoyed. We've had MP3s for how long? 15 years? And there still isn't a single player for linux that gets MP3 length correct with VBR MP3s. Jul 28 02:40:50 Everyone says they have it working in CVS, or SVN, or some side project. I don't believe them. And even if I did it doesn't help me any. Jul 28 02:42:51 pupnik, SMW sound packs are all wav...SMC on the other hand are ogg... Jul 28 02:44:14 Yes, we might end up just transcoding effects to wav and music to mp3 and running that through gstreamer-dsp Jul 28 02:44:30 we've had mp3's for around 10 years i think Jul 28 02:44:38 the sound effects on smw work. Jul 28 02:44:50 yeah they're wav Jul 28 02:45:07 i just found some ogg in smw...music folder Jul 28 02:45:28 level music Jul 28 02:46:00 I don't believe you're hearing those oggs in-game Jul 28 02:46:27 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YS9PxxfNYOA Jul 28 02:46:57 i'm not hearing the ogg. just the sound effects of when i jump or hit something with my head. Jul 28 02:47:05 right Jul 28 02:47:11 those are the wav files Jul 28 02:47:38 i got killed on level 2 btw Jul 28 02:47:40 i suck :) Jul 28 02:48:11 the speed is descent right Jul 28 02:48:12 which game are you guys playing? Jul 28 02:48:36 btw i think the 770 is as fast as your 800 on smc Jul 28 02:48:44 the video shows off secret maryo chronicles Jul 28 02:48:45 Secret Maryo World Jul 28 02:48:50 and also world Jul 28 02:48:52 Super Mario World? Jul 28 02:48:53 Secret Maryo Chronicles :P Jul 28 02:49:57 oh... coool. Jul 28 02:50:20 I wanna play Jul 28 02:50:35 pupnik.de/smw.html Jul 28 02:50:44 dammit. I locked up gst. How the heck do I get it to work again now? Jul 28 02:50:51 the other one isn't packaged yet Jul 28 02:51:45 now to figure out how to get sound working Jul 28 02:52:43 pupnik, the music folder is supposed to be dl seperate for smc Jul 28 02:53:39 I'm going to have to fricking reboot now. geez. Jul 28 02:55:40 anyone here have an xbox 360? I need to let out some frustration on gears. Jul 28 02:57:06 I hate rebooting. I'm always terrified it won't come back up after I got the white screen that one time. Jul 28 02:58:01 And of course canola and osso-media feel obligated to scan for new media on boot. so I have to go killing processes and stuff. what a pain. Jul 28 02:58:28 that's intended behavior? Jul 28 02:59:06 Jul 28 02:59:17 metalayer-crawler can't be killed either. restarts itself. Jul 28 02:59:28 pupnik, ogg.garage.maemo.org Jul 28 02:59:50 just have to wait for like 10 minutes. ugh. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jul 28 02:59:56 2007