**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jul 28 02:59:56 2007 Jul 28 03:00:06 off to kill some Locusts. BBL. Jul 28 03:00:08 you could edit rc2.d or whatever Jul 28 03:00:11 ok cyu Jul 28 03:01:26 oh man unique311 ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZ-gdhWRcW0&NR Jul 28 03:01:38 the sounds... :/ not so good Jul 28 03:03:05 lol Jul 28 03:03:56 definitely need an upgrade Jul 28 03:25:19 error Loading Music: Module format not recognized....M3_Boss.ogg Jul 28 03:29:08 trevarthan: chmod a-x /etc/init.d/metalayer-crawler0 Jul 28 03:31:29 trevarthan: also having sardine or another os2007 on mmc helps with that reboot feeling. since i got sardine on mmc i'm not worried to break stuff (system libs, config files, init scripts, all that) Jul 28 03:34:46 unique311, im watching the video....very funny! Jul 28 03:34:54 sound like modified supertux Jul 28 03:37:10 and I actually liked some of the sounds Jul 28 03:37:18 you change those ogg files to something the n800 recognize.i Jul 28 03:37:41 yeah the sound effects are bad Jul 28 03:38:05 no Jul 28 03:38:10 I actually liked some of them Jul 28 03:38:15 like the death sound heheh Jul 28 03:38:18 it's like open-source games where the graphics artist can't create consistent looking visuals Jul 28 03:38:33 same goes for sounds. commercial games have a consistent style in sounds Jul 28 03:38:37 some of FreeDoom graphics are like this Jul 28 03:38:43 but they are correcting it Jul 28 03:38:51 so with ogg not working...any ideas on how to get sound going Jul 28 03:39:04 wave? Jul 28 03:39:07 change fx to wav Jul 28 03:39:16 some good wave compression Jul 28 03:39:17 less cpu too Jul 28 03:39:22 the size of the package will increase, no? Jul 28 03:39:26 the DSP will handle it Jul 28 03:39:29 or change them to wav on load Jul 28 03:39:33 if you do it carefully,no Jul 28 03:39:36 dsp will handle what Jul 28 03:39:54 dsp will handle compressed wave, I guess Jul 28 03:40:15 i converted Exult to use gstreamer DSP mp3 music Jul 28 03:40:16 you dont need stereo for this kind of sfx Jul 28 03:40:20 right Jul 28 03:40:33 and you can safely use 22Khz Jul 28 03:40:51 8bit or 16bit...thats something you will have to try Jul 28 03:41:53 not rushing. Jul 28 03:42:40 that will save a lot of space Jul 28 03:44:58 do you know a linux (preferably gtk) app for doing this downsample? Jul 28 03:45:42 sox Jul 28 03:46:09 audacity? Jul 28 03:46:14 my personal favorite. Jul 28 03:46:34 but yeah, for bulk, sox. Jul 28 03:46:40 audacity? Jul 28 03:46:49 i use audacity, but couldnt find how to do it Jul 28 03:46:51 where? Jul 28 03:47:14 how to downsample? Jul 28 03:47:39 yeah Jul 28 03:47:49 how to make it mono and downsample it? Jul 28 03:47:52 you just set the project rate. Jul 28 03:48:01 lower left corner on my version Jul 28 03:48:33 right! Jul 28 03:48:39 i never saw that! Jul 28 03:49:45 trevarthan: should we rename the project to kaju? :P Jul 28 03:49:54 not sure about mono. it's got recording settings in edit->prefs->Audio IO. But that wouldn't convert to mono. just record mono. Jul 28 03:49:59 :) yeah, maybe Jul 28 03:50:27 unique311: a 191Kb OGG music , using 22Khz , 16 bit mono, went to 1.3 MB Jul 28 03:50:34 not that small, but not that big Jul 28 03:50:43 _Monkey Jul 28 03:50:48 for short files, if you play nice, you can get some good sizes Jul 28 03:51:40 disq: I think gst might be ready for use. Just gotta re-wire the buttons now. Jul 28 03:52:48 i'll try and make the repeat mode changes sometime, (one of my nameservers still down) possibly before the release Jul 28 03:53:04 canola doesn't have a repeat mode, ukmp's is crappy, etc Jul 28 03:53:31 k. I'll jump on those ukmp-scanner changes next. Then it's release time! woo! Jul 28 03:54:04 have you applied for a garage project? i can apply too if you want Jul 28 03:54:44 no, I haven't. if you want to, it would save me some time. Jul 28 03:54:51 it's trivial because i want to sign and upload the debs to extras. mm, tho, don't need a project page for that Jul 28 03:55:18 ok i'll now. waiting for innodb-backup to finish Jul 28 03:55:47 do we have the deps correct? i.e. Python 2.5? no mplayer dep now... Jul 28 03:56:45 i didn't check lately, should be. we'll check when it's time to release Jul 28 04:00:45 unique311: pupnik.de/SecretMaemyo_Sounds_mono_22khz_wav.tgz Jul 28 04:02:09 they work? Jul 28 04:02:30 how did you get them done so fast Jul 28 04:02:58 i used oggdec to decode them all and sox to convert them all to 22khz mono Jul 28 04:03:11 testing now Jul 28 04:06:41 trevarthan: applied. as soon as it's verified i'll add you as leader Jul 28 04:06:53 ok. cool. thanks. Jul 28 04:10:41 btw playing one of those original wav files with mplayer caused my X screen to draw all kinds of trippy stuff Jul 28 04:10:56 *behind* the current terminal window Jul 28 04:11:28 trevarthan: "self.seconds = int(value / 1000000000)", that 10^x should be gst.SECOND i think Jul 28 04:11:57 sweet. Jul 28 04:12:10 there's also gst.MSECOND for milliseconds iirc Jul 28 04:13:59 check it out Jul 28 04:14:15 could not load 16-bit audio device Jul 28 04:14:30 reason no available audio device Jul 28 04:14:42 in scratchbox? Jul 28 04:14:48 no Jul 28 04:14:51 on device Jul 28 04:15:11 in scratchbox it said something about alsa Jul 28 04:16:14 in scratchbox the error is.. Jul 28 04:17:23 ASLA lib pcm.c:2061(snd_pcm_open_conf) cannot open shared library /usr/lib/alsa_lib/libsound_module_pcm_also_dsp.so Jul 28 04:17:54 followed by warning : Could not init 16-bit Audio Jul 28 04:18:13 - Reason : no available audio device Jul 28 04:18:21 aha Jul 28 04:19:41 mario war is using correct code.. Jul 28 04:20:12 can't we just steal the sound portion of war and make it work with chronicles Jul 28 04:20:33 probably Jul 28 04:22:50 sounds work here though :) Jul 28 04:23:21 woop, not every one though Jul 28 04:23:47 hmmm Jul 28 04:23:58 how did you make that happen? Jul 28 04:24:14 i changed the .ogg to .wav in the source, where it was playing sound files Jul 28 04:24:45 which game? Jul 28 04:24:49 smc Jul 28 04:24:58 i did the same and no sound Jul 28 04:26:46 no ideas yet Jul 28 04:28:03 if you go to 0.97/src and do a grep SOUNDS_DIR *.cpp you should have all the pAudio->PlaySound( SOUNDS_DIR "/beep_1.wav" ); as wavs Jul 28 04:32:43 this is probably the first side-scroller game i've seen on the nokia that runs at decent framerate Jul 28 04:33:57 unique311: do you want to test this version and see if it works on n800? Jul 28 04:34:09 maybe there's something about libSDL that's different on bora? Jul 28 04:34:40 i'm off to bed, night Jul 28 04:34:46 cheers disq Jul 28 04:35:23 i'm using 97 Jul 28 04:35:30 disq: Feels so good to get this off my plate: https://www.guardiani.us/projects/kagu/changeset/248 Jul 28 04:35:41 night disq Jul 28 04:36:19 pupnik, let me get your version... Jul 28 04:36:35 forgot mario war is also the one you compiled.. Jul 28 04:36:48 and i get sound of it Jul 28 04:37:47 pupnik.de/smc.tgz Jul 28 04:38:57 going to need the data files Jul 28 04:39:32 pupnik.de/SecretMaemyo_Sounds_mono_22khz_wav.tgz Jul 28 04:40:33 the complete data folder Jul 28 04:40:36 including the maps.. Jul 28 04:41:05 ok Jul 28 04:41:08 i compiled my datadir with a different flag.. Jul 28 04:41:19 not sure you smc binary is going to work with it.. Jul 28 04:42:22 just make a symlink Jul 28 04:42:54 ln -s path-to-your-data/smc /usr/local/share/smc Jul 28 04:43:04 not working for me..... Jul 28 04:43:54 then you have a path-to.../smc/data directory Jul 28 04:44:04 and in the data directory you have your levels directory Jul 28 04:44:38 ls -l /usr/local/share/smc/data/levels Jul 28 04:44:38 -rwxr-xr-x 1 user root 12646 Jul 27 13:51 all.txt Jul 28 04:44:38 -rwxr-xr-x 1 user root 44641 Jul 27 13:51 boder_1.txt Jul 28 04:46:34 and when i cd to /usr/local/share/smc && ls Jul 28 04:46:35 i see Jul 28 04:46:37 data font music pixmaps sounds world Jul 28 04:47:26 afk breakfast Jul 28 05:02:04 I just updated Kagu's FEATURES and screenshots, https://www.guardiani.us/projects/kagu/browser/trunk/FEATURES , https://www.guardiani.us/projects/kagu/wiki/ScreenShots if anyone is interested. We're hoping to make a 1.0 release sometime this weekend. :) Jul 28 05:02:14 where can i read about flashing my 770 Jul 28 05:02:36 thanks for the screenies trevarthan - everybody loves screenshots Jul 28 05:02:37 :) Jul 28 05:03:03 np. just for you pupnik. :) Jul 28 05:03:31 that gets the covers from a public server? Jul 28 05:03:57 roundeye: there's a flashing howto on maemo.org Jul 28 05:04:09 kagu better than UKMP? Jul 28 05:04:14 i was looking with no luck Jul 28 05:04:19 i will look some more Jul 28 05:04:21 yeah. it also pulls them from covers.jpg or folders.jpg if you've got 'em already from canola. Jul 28 05:04:28 that 13 album cover bug in UKMP sucks.. Jul 28 05:04:34 roundeye: http://maemo.org/maemowiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithLinux Jul 28 05:04:42 thank you Jul 28 05:05:04 trevarthan, can kagu do the kinetic scrolling thingie? Jul 28 05:05:12 I'm certainly in competition with UKMP. We have a different feature set. Jul 28 05:05:24 Yeah, kinetic scrolling was in Kagu before UKMP, actually. Jul 28 05:05:45 any album cover issues? Jul 28 05:06:03 not that I'm aware of. Other than memory limitations. Jul 28 05:06:13 does it come in black? Jul 28 05:06:27 Kagu uses a lot more RAM than UKMP. I hope to fix that in the future. Jul 28 05:06:37 not yet. Hoping to get some theme authors on board. Jul 28 05:06:41 I suck with graphics. Jul 28 05:06:46 ok... Jul 28 05:07:38 I'm still playing catch up to UKMP in a lot of areas also. I'm hoping to have a full multi-row scroll widget a few releases from now, in addition to the detail widget you see in the screen shots. Jul 28 05:07:54 i'll give the Kagu a shot.. Jul 28 05:08:06 meaning behind the name? Jul 28 05:09:28 cool. let us (me and disq) know if you like it. Yeah, Kagu is an endangered bird. But, if it were an acronym (it's not), it would stand for Kagu Ardently Granulates Ukmp, because Kagu is Jul 28 05:09:32 a rewrite of ukmp with a heavy focus on object oriented design. Jul 28 05:10:56 I also plan to implement bookmarking support for audio books in the near future, even if I have to rewrite mplayer to do it. :) Jul 28 05:11:08 I download billboards top 100 of the year Jul 28 05:11:17 in UKMP only 30 shows up.. Jul 28 05:11:23 but most people probably aren't too interested in audio books. Jul 28 05:11:24 the rest of the songs are mia Jul 28 05:11:37 right. no scrolling in the song list Jul 28 05:11:42 did you see that i had a wav file here that screwed up mplayer/X? it was awesome Jul 28 05:11:47 Kagu scrolls. Jul 28 05:11:54 cool Jul 28 05:12:20 pupnik: no, I must have missed that. :) I'm not surprised. Jul 28 05:12:48 then again when that new canola hit.... Jul 28 05:13:55 yeah, I fully expect Kagu to be obsoleted by the new canola. But I don't think it'll be out for a while. Jul 28 05:13:58 the people doing media players for the tablets are doing great work Jul 28 05:14:14 oh i'm sure you can find your niche vs canola Jul 28 05:14:56 Then again, I also don't expect canola to do A2DP. I think Kagu may be the only A2DP player for quite a while. The mplayer/a2dpd process management is rather tricky. It took me a while to get it right. Jul 28 05:15:40 is it true that only one bluetooth device can be paired at a time? Jul 28 05:16:15 Crap, songs are prematurely skipping to the next song after a certain amount of time with the new GST code. I'll have to fix that later today. Gotta get some sleep for now. Jul 28 05:16:32 domez bien trevarthan Jul 28 05:16:41 unique311: If you run into that bug, don't worry, I'll get it fixed. Jul 28 05:17:01 k Jul 28 05:17:20 cya pupnik. Keep up the good work with Maryo. Can't wait to play that later today. :) Jul 28 05:17:44 unique311: was the guy who got it runnig - i just did the sound files Jul 28 05:17:51 and they SUCK Jul 28 05:17:56 :) Jul 28 05:18:10 unique311: what do you think about using the sounds from smw instead? Jul 28 05:18:42 better Jul 28 05:18:49 original mario Jul 28 05:19:37 trevarthan: rest well Jul 28 05:19:45 keep up the good work! Jul 28 05:23:31 ok so i flashed my 770 and i went just like it said it would in the howto except it whole time it just a had white screen with light grew bars..... anyone herd of @#$% like this Jul 28 05:25:15 this was the problem in the first place and why i was flashing. i had it 5 days and then i turned it on and it had the distored display Jul 28 05:25:37 were they horizontal bars moving down the screen? Jul 28 05:25:53 slowly Jul 28 05:26:06 at first but now after flashing it they stay still Jul 28 05:26:59 it is moving a little bit now that i look closly Jul 28 05:27:20 you had the device turned off, you started the flasher, then turned the device on and held the home key down while turning it on? Jul 28 05:27:29 yes Jul 28 05:28:01 when i let it boot up now with the distorted screen it made some nosies just like the firdt time i turned it on Jul 28 05:28:17 well i've seen the bars twice before and they frighten me Jul 28 05:28:35 never when flashing though Jul 28 05:29:07 will the 770 boot with no batery? Jul 28 05:29:31 dont know Jul 28 05:29:46 the only way i could get it to turn on was by putting the batter in Jul 28 05:30:01 the recomended way of the charge did not work Jul 28 05:30:20 but i held down the home key while i put the battery in it Jul 28 05:31:11 i only heldthe home key for about 5 sec. after it started Jul 28 05:31:37 can you turn it off and back on now? Jul 28 05:31:45 did the flasher finish? Jul 28 05:31:49 yes Jul 28 05:31:57 b4 i came nac into #maemo Jul 28 05:32:24 imnot supposed to hold the home key down for the whole prosess am i? Jul 28 05:32:47 i just held it down a couple seconds Jul 28 05:33:25 i have flashed successfully 4 times now with the same result Jul 28 05:34:03 you see the bars every time you turn it on? Jul 28 05:34:10 the flasher-2.0 finishes transfering Jul 28 05:34:18 yes i see them every time Jul 28 05:34:33 but them move almost like the video drivers are screwed up Jul 28 05:35:14 it doesn't look like a regular software problem, right? the screen goes all *strange* Jul 28 05:35:30 kind of strange-white, and there's some junk on the right side of the bar? Jul 28 05:35:51 almost like the gui is loading but the video drivers a screwd Jul 28 05:36:23 everything is squished the the middle of the screen but verry distroted Jul 28 05:36:56 i don't know what causes it Jul 28 05:36:59 i didnt want to have to rma it because i just got the damn thing Jul 28 05:37:06 maybe if you can take a picture and upload it Jul 28 05:37:07 but it look like im going ot have to Jul 28 05:37:18 someone will know what to do Jul 28 05:37:26 i could but what else can you do but flash it ? Jul 28 05:37:27 yeah maybe Jul 28 05:38:13 you say it wouldn't turn on when you held the power-on button down? Jul 28 05:38:20 you know you have to hold it down for a couple of seconds? Jul 28 05:38:42 yes Jul 28 05:38:53 i have been non stop with it since it got it Jul 28 05:39:45 maybe you can find something on internettalk.com forums, or on the maemo-users mailing list Jul 28 05:39:54 but otherwise looks like an RMA Jul 28 05:40:25 i'd take some pictures though for the record Jul 28 05:42:04 will do see ya latter Jul 28 05:49:40 hey im bacc with a quick question Jul 28 05:49:46 what is cold flashing? Jul 28 05:50:16 i think it's something they do with the serial port Jul 28 05:52:07 k, after this i'm done Jul 28 05:52:16 symlink is not needed Jul 28 05:52:37 in preference ini you can tell smc where the data files are located Jul 28 05:53:22 aha! Jul 28 05:53:50 still no sound.. Jul 28 05:53:56 using your sound pack Jul 28 05:54:07 maybe i cant tell it where to find sound.. Jul 28 05:54:19 or better yet which device to use Jul 28 05:54:28 if you quit, you should see errors if it can't load the wav files Jul 28 05:55:40 no available audio devices Jul 28 06:39:11 laters Jul 28 07:06:20 cmon guys it friday night wheres the action Jul 28 07:08:34 not much right now Jul 28 07:08:52 building latest smc to see how it plays on a real desktop Jul 28 07:14:50 how long have youahd your 770? Jul 28 07:15:05 from what ive been reading they break alot and there are many bad stories Jul 28 07:18:59 i have no idea how the quality control is. mine has been solid and i've dropped it on concrete a few times Jul 28 07:20:10 how long have you had it Jul 28 07:20:17 8 mon Jul 28 07:20:29 must have gota bad one Jul 28 07:32:54 don't suppose anyone has heard if it is possible to use multimap.com with maemomapper Jul 28 09:01:47 Hi folks Jul 28 09:24:44 hi folk Jul 28 09:25:14 so when one is a human penguin.. what traits from each species are present on the speciment..? Jul 28 09:36:59 Basically I spend all day whining cos its too freaking hot here in GA. and eat a lot of sushi Jul 28 09:43:28 Does anybody else feel completely exasperated by the ridiculously broken SDK howto on maemo.org Jul 28 09:45:22 Well as I am trying to workout how to get it working for the first time as we type. Yeah just a little frustrated. Jul 28 09:45:37 I've spent hours trying to get things to work Jul 28 09:45:50 I'm in the same boat Jul 28 09:46:04 I downloaded the Qemu instance got nowhere Jul 28 09:46:49 I've got to the point of having a qemu-arm scratchbox target set up, but it's missing all of the nokia files, even though I extracted what I'm guessing is the right rootstrap Jul 28 09:47:18 also annoying is that scratchbox forces the use of sb-menu, while the howto is for sb-config Jul 28 09:47:24 nods I am just looking at the target stuff. so you beat me. Jul 28 09:48:47 I actually managed to get the nested X environment working, but whenever I open a menu on the simulated device the menu disappears Jul 28 09:50:10 Oh I am way behind you. I downloaded the 4.0 scratchbox stuff got it running just got past the add user stuff. I am now trying to workout what all this target stuff is about. First time trying any xcompile stuff so I am a little slow Jul 28 09:51:39 I'm working with a 770, so I'm doing the 2.2 stuff, but having the same issues Jul 28 09:52:11 I think I just found the real rootstrap file though Jul 28 09:56:35 Hmm I have a target sellected but in the Select qemu-arm cpu transparency there was no transparency options just none Jul 28 09:58:13 I had to install the scratchbox-devkit-cputransp-1.0.2-i386.tar.gz file to get those options Jul 28 09:58:32 but the options I got were very different from the ones in the howto Jul 28 09:59:26 ok I think I have found my rootstrap. Lets see if we can get smoke from a vm Jul 28 10:10:12 Looks pretty lively in here... Jul 28 10:11:03 much noob frustration is affot Jul 28 10:11:53 is there a package providing the gstreamer utils, like gst-inspect, gst-launch, etc... Jul 28 10:12:07 s/affot/afoot Jul 28 10:18:54 bilboed: gstreamer0.10-tools Jul 28 10:20:18 yeah, I needed to activate the red-pill mode Jul 28 10:23:06 hmm... no gdp elements available :( Jul 28 10:36:29 no... n800.. nearby.. Jul 28 10:42:12 this is weird, there isn't the gdp plugin in the gst-plugins-base packages Jul 28 10:42:19 or gst-plugins-base-extra Jul 28 10:42:25 anybody has it compiled for n800 ? Jul 28 12:49:28 hi guys! Jul 28 12:49:33 i like elephants :/ Jul 28 13:30:56 is someone having a problem to update maemo 3.1 to 3.2 with apt-get? is says that could not resolve 'repository.maemo.org' Jul 28 13:35:18 is there a problem with the maemo repository? i'm trying to update from scratchbox and the /etc/apt/sources.list is already configured. Jul 28 13:37:40 and there is no fucking manual instalation for the maemo 3.2. Jul 28 14:03:21 hi BladeRunner Jul 28 14:04:03 maemo.org has been unstable the past couple of days Jul 28 14:04:30 they should have a backup just for the repository, if this keeps happening Jul 28 14:06:30 and there is an alternative to configure the sources.list for a while? Jul 28 14:07:03 are you having this problem too? Jul 28 14:07:17 BladeRunner: check that your sbox resolv.conf isn't broken Jul 28 14:07:45 or missing or whatnot Jul 28 14:09:55 in the armel target the /etc/resolv.conf has only the line: nameserver 127.0.0.1 Jul 28 14:11:26 is that it? Jul 28 14:14:07 sp3000: are you having any trouble with apt-get update inside scratchbox? Jul 28 14:14:31 BladeRunner: unless you have a name server on the local machine, that wouldn't work Jul 28 14:14:43 you can copy in your normal one for instance Jul 28 14:16:03 but wget works fine inside scratchbox i think it's another problem Jul 28 14:21:33 sorry i was assuming you were on the tablet Jul 28 14:22:18 hi unique311 Jul 28 14:27:05 hello Jul 28 14:28:27 new smc 1.0 tarball is out today. i wish n800 had opengl now :/ Jul 28 14:29:42 same Jul 28 14:29:53 sp3000: i'm using dlink (wireless). are you developer? Jul 28 14:30:23 more games would be available Jul 28 14:30:58 does anyone have the 2nd newest n800 firmware that I can use to dual boot with the latest firmware, and allow video calls to PC? Jul 28 14:31:33 BladeRunner: were you ever able to apt-get install your scratchbox? Jul 28 14:32:35 pupnik: no. i've recently installed maemo3.1 and tried to update for the 3.2 Jul 28 14:33:44 but wget command works inside scratchbox so i think it can resolve names Jul 28 14:34:16 more /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf Jul 28 14:34:16 nameserver 192.168.1.1 Jul 28 14:34:26 try your real nameserver Jul 28 14:34:44 there was another issue -- nsswitch Jul 28 14:39:24 the same problem Jul 28 14:39:31 what is nsswitch? Jul 28 14:40:45 being able to wget but not apt-get is a common install problem for scratchbox Jul 28 14:41:01 i don't remember the solution tho Jul 28 14:56:43 does anyone have the 2nd newest n800 firmware that I can use to dual boot with the latest firmware, and allow video calls to PC? Jul 28 15:01:20 hey when i try to install apps on my new maemo n800 it fails on dependency checks but those packages are not there in the lib list Jul 28 15:07:39 Would you pay for an openGL upgrade to N800? :) Jul 28 15:08:13 shreyas: more info would be helpful Jul 28 15:09:45 not sure.. Jul 28 15:09:54 pupnik: well when i try to install evnice it fails cos it cant find libglade-2.0 Jul 28 15:09:57 why would i have to pay for it.. Jul 28 15:10:02 so i am guessing some repo is missing Jul 28 15:10:10 nokia should cough up license money Jul 28 15:13:30 pupnik: i've solved it was the nsswitch the attribute hosts. thanks Jul 28 15:38:51 Yay, maemo.org broken again (or at least the planet) Jul 28 15:41:17 Jaffa: works fine here Jul 28 15:43:03 do i need to add new repos other than the default ones to install apps like evince and maemo mapper Jul 28 15:43:14 by default they seem to have missing dependencies Jul 28 15:49:35 hi, i've got a big problem on my 770 Jul 28 15:49:46 yes? Jul 28 15:50:14 i've got dpkg parse error and no root access Jul 28 15:50:39 becomeroot is not installed Jul 28 15:50:44 like, you tried the default root and it didn't work or you don't know how to get root? Jul 28 15:50:51 oh, bummer Jul 28 15:51:24 um, well, i'm a n00b, so i can't help you too much. Jul 28 15:51:25 can i be root without becomeroot installed ? Jul 28 15:51:36 su or sudo? Jul 28 15:51:46 what is default root password on 770 ? Jul 28 15:52:37 http://board.nokia770hacks.com/How_To/Root_Access_on_the_Nokia_770 Jul 28 15:55:18 http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-lob770.html Jul 28 15:56:37 "ssh:root:name or service not known Jul 28 15:56:42 :( Jul 28 15:56:59 if you haven't installed the ssh server, that won't work Jul 28 15:57:09 the stupid answer is to back up your data and re-flash the device Jul 28 15:57:52 it ask me a password, but i don't know it Jul 28 15:58:15 the password is: rootme Jul 28 15:58:24 when i choose type 'sudo gainroot' Jul 28 15:58:33 hello folks Jul 28 15:58:38 hiiya Jul 28 15:58:39 it seems not on 770 Jul 28 15:59:02 i dunno. i have an 800 Jul 28 15:59:10 pparker Jul 28 15:59:32 here it shows something like "activate R&D mode to brick your device" Jul 28 15:59:37 or something like that Jul 28 15:59:42 scroll below that Jul 28 16:00:14 ok i'll backup then flash the device Jul 28 16:00:40 then i'll install becomeroot first ! Jul 28 16:01:48 i symply need to remove /var/libdpkg/status to correct the problem Jul 28 16:02:59 backup tool saves everything ? Jul 28 16:05:12 dunno, pparker Jul 28 16:06:48 xterm and ssh are the first things i install Jul 28 16:07:48 pparker: with ssh you can log-in as root without the becomeroot package or R and D mode Jul 28 16:07:58 can you give me an url to download os2007 he ? Jul 28 16:08:31 SU-18_2007HACKER_2.2006.47-17_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin google Jul 28 16:08:37 pparker: ways of becoming root on a 770 or N800: 1) install "becomeroot" package, this simply enabled "sudo gainroot" to bypass the R&D mode check; 2) use a Linux or Mac OS X box to set R&D mode using the flasher, then use "sudo gainroot"; 3) install an SSH server and SSH back into your device from X Terminal as root, use "rootme" as the password Jul 28 16:09:22 but i can't install anything while dpkg is broken Jul 28 16:09:38 then you need to use 2 Jul 28 16:11:07 if i simply flash the device without rd i can install becomeroot ? Jul 28 16:12:22 yes but it's not in the default repository (on my 770) Jul 28 16:13:28 pparker: if you do a normal reflash, everything not on MMC is wiped and restored to factory settings. The backup/restore tool saves some stuff. Jul 28 16:14:12 ok Jul 28 16:15:05 another questions:sometimes mplayer hangs the device: no way to shutdown i'm forced to remove battery Jul 28 16:15:13 any hints ? Jul 28 16:16:02 sometimes it takes a while, did you try hitting escape and waiting 20 seconds? Jul 28 16:16:52 y Jul 28 16:18:18 argh now i want more fps on smc Jul 28 16:21:16 wich version of flasher ? Jul 28 16:21:54 3.0 ? Jul 28 16:22:04 for 770 i use flasher-2.0 Jul 28 16:23:05 are you sure ? Jul 28 16:23:12 yes Jul 28 16:26:00 pupnik...i alreadu told you about my idea of creating a repository of maemo games? Jul 28 16:27:17 http://www.thesearenotgoodenoughformaemoextrasrepository.org? Jul 28 16:27:36 hahahhahah Jul 28 16:27:39 maybe =-p Jul 28 16:27:52 but I guess smw could be a highlight of it Jul 28 16:29:29 :( i am being lazy - once smw has the working .desktop and maemo-games-startup, it should be ready for extras, i think Jul 28 16:29:42 i don't like the idea of more repositories, personally Jul 28 16:30:31 i'd like two repositories for each distro Jul 28 16:30:36 one official, and one community Jul 28 16:30:54 pupnik, i can see your point there Jul 28 16:33:28 yeah...but I guess its too much bureocracy Jul 28 16:33:40 burucracy Jul 28 16:33:47 burocracy Jul 28 16:33:50 what the hell Jul 28 16:33:54 flashing is complete Jul 28 16:34:03 I dont know to write burocracia in english Jul 28 16:34:08 how to reboot device Jul 28 16:34:24 pparker, 770, right? Jul 28 16:34:33 y Jul 28 16:34:48 when ready tell me if it works nice =-) Jul 28 16:36:27 how do i go about installing kagu Jul 28 16:36:42 not finding a binary Jul 28 16:37:00 it boots on os 2007 ! Jul 28 16:37:47 and how does it looks like?! Jul 28 16:38:06 very black ;) Jul 28 16:38:19 trevarthan, hellllllllllllllllllppppppppppppppppp Jul 28 16:38:30 bureaucracy is a word i have ttrouble spelling too Jul 28 16:38:40 hah someone made a mouse out of a real mouse http://forum.4shared.com/viewtopic.php?p=10458#10458 Jul 28 16:44:58 N800: wazzup? Jul 28 16:46:22 kagu? Jul 28 16:46:27 stupid monkey Jul 28 16:46:43 N800: instructions here: https://www.guardiani.us/projects/kagu/wiki Jul 28 16:47:00 we'll probably be releasing a binary tomorrow. Jul 28 16:48:29 ok Jul 28 16:48:39 thats what i was looking for a binary Jul 28 17:12:56 Hello Jul 28 17:13:08 hi Jul 28 17:13:12 hello Jul 28 17:17:00 bounjour Jul 28 17:17:14 bonjour Jul 28 17:17:19 yeah the second one Jul 28 17:17:22 bonjour Jul 28 17:19:19 bonjour Jul 28 17:19:20 its hot.. Jul 28 17:19:25 hate the summer Jul 28 17:19:31 What is good .doc .xml reader for 770? Jul 28 17:19:34 big winter fan Jul 28 17:19:37 my too Jul 28 17:19:44 im lucky this year Jul 28 17:19:50 its winter back in brazil Jul 28 17:19:52 can wait for the next ice age Jul 28 17:20:02 and in summer Im going to canada, to take a biiig winter Jul 28 17:20:09 nice Jul 28 17:20:49 and maybe Ill buy a N800 =-) Jul 28 17:21:08 finally got meamyo chronicles working... Jul 28 17:21:21 gimme the debs =-) Jul 28 17:21:24 loving it...but needs sound.. Jul 28 17:21:31 that i do not have yet... Jul 28 17:21:35 no debs yet Jul 28 17:21:58 you own a 770 Jul 28 17:22:04 NeoStrider: to Canada? Jul 28 17:22:11 you should use pupniks binarys Jul 28 17:22:13 ie Jul 28 17:22:26 yes frob Jul 28 17:22:27 toronto Jul 28 17:22:36 family over there? Jul 28 17:22:50 no....just a Jul 28 17:22:52 what is the name Jul 28 17:22:56 intercambio... Jul 28 17:22:57 man, don't play the newest SM Chronicles on opengl - on my PC it's like a couple hundred FPS Jul 28 17:23:02 makes the 770 look slowwwww Jul 28 17:23:04 oh, exchange student Jul 28 17:23:09 cool Jul 28 17:23:09 yeah! Jul 28 17:23:28 are you from canada, frob? Jul 28 17:23:34 I wish Jul 28 17:23:37 :( Jul 28 17:23:42 where are you from? Jul 28 17:23:48 .it Jul 28 17:23:52 I see Jul 28 17:23:54 cool too Jul 28 17:23:54 N800: did you ever look at the framerate on N800? Hit control-D (synergy) and look at the top left of the screen for FPS Jul 28 17:24:00 not really Jul 28 17:24:09 nice women Jul 28 17:24:11 nice food Jul 28 17:24:13 nice cities Jul 28 17:24:18 nothing I care about Jul 28 17:24:23 pupnik: how is smc going? Jul 28 17:24:40 fun to play Jul 28 17:25:05 i am not going to work on smc though Jul 28 17:25:36 smw is addictive! Jul 28 17:25:44 yeah :) Jul 28 17:26:06 frob: you dont like all that stuff? sure...brazil has nice women, food and cities too...but sometimes is cool to go somewhere else Jul 28 17:26:06 easily modified Jul 28 17:26:08 would it be easy for you to get the .desktop menu working? Jul 28 17:26:16 maybe Jul 28 17:26:24 where is the svn again? Jul 28 17:26:25 NeoStrider: but canada has good schools Jul 28 17:26:34 that's what I meant Jul 28 17:26:44 going to look for a descent packman game... Jul 28 17:26:50 i need pacman also in my life Jul 28 17:26:57 frob: sure..I still improve my english...and taste world...and hopefully taste women ;-) Jul 28 17:27:15 hahahhah....N800: port MAME Jul 28 17:27:26 N800: you need to eat pills while walking back and forth? Jul 28 17:27:28 wel...actually..there is already mame for maemo Jul 28 17:27:36 soemthing that doesn't involve an emulator Jul 28 17:27:41 frob, I do that everyday Jul 28 17:28:01 I got from ubuntu repos a pacman clone Jul 28 17:28:01 eh ? Jul 28 17:28:05 name... Jul 28 17:28:06 "PacMan" Jul 28 17:28:20 its kind of oldish Jul 28 17:28:26 dependencies? Jul 28 17:28:26 seems like a old X11 game Jul 28 17:28:28 but works Jul 28 17:28:40 this game seems to work on bare X11 Jul 28 17:28:41 heheh Jul 28 17:29:02 playing here: 1995! Jul 28 17:29:32 "by Roar thronaes" (ae=that character I dont have in my kb) Jul 28 17:30:21 not a playstation quality game..looks more like a Atari 7800 game.... Jul 28 17:30:25 but works Jul 28 17:30:38 might be able to find a recent Jul 28 17:31:25 http://njam.sourceforge.net/ Jul 28 17:31:30 here's a good one Jul 28 17:31:43 network modes Jul 28 17:32:19 looks much better Jul 28 17:32:37 characters can use some work Jul 28 17:33:01 pupnik....smc not going to bother neither.. Jul 28 17:33:07 i'll help with smw Jul 28 17:33:13 mmmm, lan multiplayer games for the n800 using avahi, now that would be cool :) Jul 28 17:33:19 we can all improve the games Jul 28 17:33:40 (the problem is finding someone else with the tablet, tough) Jul 28 17:33:40 N800...some 3D rendered ghosts could do the tirck Jul 28 17:33:42 trick Jul 28 17:33:50 good with photoshop Jul 28 17:33:57 the pacman character itself is good Jul 28 17:34:02 gimp =-) Jul 28 17:34:11 the ghosts plain suck hahah Jul 28 17:34:13 i can manage around gimp Jul 28 17:34:31 but still photoshop is much better in my eyes.. Jul 28 17:34:32 maybe it does support translucent sprites Jul 28 17:34:46 you're a mono-window guy Jul 28 17:34:47 i have a tablet and gimp doesn't play nice with it Jul 28 17:34:57 im a pluri-window guy Jul 28 17:35:06 well not really Jul 28 17:35:06 now there is a good reason Jul 28 17:35:13 not those whiny bastards Jul 28 17:35:28 i just use a graphire 4 tablet that gimp seems to have problems with Jul 28 17:35:29 you have a solid reason to use PS Jul 28 17:35:42 yes Jul 28 17:36:04 i used gimp to make the palmOS skins Jul 28 17:36:17 some designers say the best it to use both Jul 28 17:37:30 start up ubuntu Jul 28 17:38:05 i love ubuntu =-) Jul 28 17:38:10 cant wait to get ubuntu mobile Jul 28 17:38:17 oh... Jul 28 17:38:26 (: Jul 28 17:38:39 on a intel mid or a eee pc it will rock! Jul 28 17:38:42 thats going on the tablet Jul 28 17:39:07 question: is there a PC jabber client that can do video chat with n800? Jul 28 17:39:23 jabber does video? Jul 28 17:39:44 well...N800 own google chat does that Jul 28 17:39:51 google chat == jabber Jul 28 17:39:54 http://www.chez.com/vidalc/xchomp/xchomp.html Jul 28 17:39:57 i heard n800 ot n800 works Jul 28 17:40:00 black & white Jul 28 17:40:01 nice Jul 28 17:41:08 Stylish! Jul 28 17:41:41 but I would add some colour to it Jul 28 17:42:01 not sprites, but some solid colours instead of plain BW Jul 28 17:43:19 man...i just love solid colors Jul 28 17:52:22 N800: do you have synergy going now? or a BT keyboard on the N800? I'm curious what framerates SMC gets on it. That would be very informative Jul 28 17:52:29 what would be some suggested IRC clients for a Nokia 770? Jul 28 17:52:31 or anybody else that has a N800 Jul 28 17:52:37 irssi, xchat Jul 28 17:52:48 irssi? Jul 28 17:52:50 pupnik, I have tried xchat and it failed installation Jul 28 17:52:53 _Monkey? Jul 28 17:53:00 "irssi"? Jul 28 17:53:13 pupnik, irssi, I might try it, I normally use it Jul 28 17:53:38 NeoStrider, it is a CLI irc client Jul 28 17:53:49 havent touch synergy in forerver Jul 28 17:53:52 Deathstar killed _Monkey Jul 28 17:53:58 i'll get it going in a minute Jul 28 17:54:07 those imperial sith bastards Jul 28 17:54:08 or a bt keyboard might have the ctrl key also Jul 28 17:54:24 yes Imperial Business Machines ;) Jul 28 17:55:01 I am really impressed with the FPS on SMC. It's close to what i get when i blit rectangles (and do nothing else) fullscreen on n770 Jul 28 17:55:24 s/rectangles/16-bit images Jul 28 17:57:19 yeah...im quite impressed with those 2D games Jul 28 17:57:30 SMW looks just like the N800 video you made Jul 28 17:58:29 (was you, right?) Jul 28 17:58:41 unique311 did Jul 28 17:59:44 NeoStrider: if you want to do packaging work on SMW, i can spend my time fixing-up SMC Jul 28 17:59:53 I use to dislike Nokia, but they sure have put some good products out Jul 28 18:00:23 yeah...lets get it to work Jul 28 18:00:27 i fixed up some SMW dependencies Jul 28 18:00:31 what is the SMW svn again? Jul 28 18:00:32 so i'll upload the source Jul 28 18:00:36 ok Jul 28 18:00:37 dunno Jul 28 18:00:57 when ready. give me the source url and I will do my best Jul 28 18:02:55 s/./, Jul 28 18:05:39 * erstazi is a dummy, didn't go to the port page for xchat about 3 hours ago Jul 28 18:06:28 can i ask help for nokia n80 here; Jul 28 18:07:14 is anyone here; Jul 28 18:07:22 1 Jul 28 18:07:24 PaPiSt, actually, n80 is quite different from n800 Jul 28 18:07:32 different OS Jul 28 18:07:38 ok Jul 28 18:07:38 different functions Jul 28 18:07:45 this is channel for n800 Jul 28 18:07:46 ; Jul 28 18:07:51 not only Jul 28 18:07:54 for 770 too Jul 28 18:08:01 is here any channel for n80; Jul 28 18:08:06 and what else comes Jul 28 18:08:21 "is there any channel for n80?" ,you mean? Jul 28 18:08:25 yes Jul 28 18:08:27 i dont really know Jul 28 18:08:31 ok Jul 28 18:08:36 NeoStrider: will take 5 minutes to upload - full svn is 28MB Jul 28 18:08:36 I would recommend www.newlc.com Jul 28 18:08:37 i want to try mozilla but i got an error: osso-browser-opera Jul 28 18:08:40 RaPiSt: that runs symbian s60, right? Jul 28 18:08:44 yes Jul 28 18:08:47 yes procto Jul 28 18:08:51 try #symbian Jul 28 18:08:53 if that exists Jul 28 18:08:59 pupnik ,ok =-) Jul 28 18:09:01 yes it does Jul 28 18:09:12 RaPiSt: so check out #symbian Jul 28 18:09:27 ok thx Jul 28 18:09:34 RaPiSt , n800 and n770 runs Linux, that is very different from Symbian Jul 28 18:09:41 ok ok Jul 28 18:09:51 i just buy a nokia n80 internet edition and it is too slow Jul 28 18:09:54 thats my problem Jul 28 18:10:09 did you installed anything on it? Jul 28 18:10:17 too slow? Jul 28 18:10:22 the internet too slow? Jul 28 18:10:23 from the first time i buy it it is slow Jul 28 18:10:25 no no Jul 28 18:10:28 well Jul 28 18:10:33 to see the sms it takes 2-3 secconds Jul 28 18:10:36 uh Jul 28 18:10:37 well Jul 28 18:10:38 symbian is somewhat slow (at least was on my N-Gage) Jul 28 18:10:40 check #symbian Jul 28 18:10:45 ok thx Jul 28 18:13:12 http://www.divshare.com/download/1395805-139 smw_nokia.tgz svn NeoStrider Jul 28 18:14:20 * NeoStrider is downloading smw source Jul 28 18:15:39 26 max pupnik Jul 28 18:16:28 i can't install mbrowser, missing packages osso-bookmarks Jul 28 18:16:48 what's missing ? Jul 28 18:18:06 Nice N800! Jul 28 18:18:33 i was getting about 10-12 when moving around and 15-16 when standing still Jul 28 18:18:49 hold on Jul 28 18:18:59 running synergy screwed up the speed Jul 28 18:19:00 remember i flashed to use os2007 Jul 28 18:19:16 i couldn't install it either pparker Jul 28 18:19:29 :((((((((((((((((((((( Jul 28 18:21:39 ok last one:uktube is not launching Jul 28 18:21:55 mplayer is installed Jul 28 18:22:55 pupnik, 26 to 30 Jul 28 18:23:03 with different characters around... Jul 28 18:23:12 drops to about 10 11 Jul 28 18:23:36 ahh.. so maybe it's not using page-flipping to redraw Jul 28 18:24:13 i cranked down the window to 400x240 (makes everything unplayable of course) and the frame rates got nice and high Jul 28 18:26:42 how are you guys measuring the fps? Jul 28 18:26:53 blinking really fast Jul 28 18:26:57 ctrl-D and fps is shown in upper left Jul 28 18:27:07 oh...is a game feature Jul 28 18:27:18 Fatal..I will try that Jul 28 18:27:25 this is SMC now SMW btw Jul 28 18:27:29 s/now/not Jul 28 18:27:31 s/now/not/ Jul 28 18:27:31 pupnik meant: s/not/not Jul 28 18:27:35 gah Jul 28 18:27:43 hahhahaha Jul 28 18:41:58 * NeoStrider has not finished downloading smw source yet...=-/ Jul 28 18:43:08 someone had a problem with intltool in maemo 3.2 scratchbox? saying that was too old... Jul 28 18:49:37 im looking at getting an n800 Jul 28 18:49:47 i like what ive seen it can do so far Jul 28 18:49:58 can you play ADOM and dungeon crawl and other roguelikes that have linux ports? Jul 28 18:50:44 sure Jul 28 18:50:48 nice Jul 28 18:50:57 i have nethack on it Jul 28 18:51:12 im not crazy about nethack as much as i am about the other two Jul 28 18:51:29 i can play nethack on my pdaphone, but not adom and dungeon crawl Jul 28 18:51:37 s/have/had/ Jul 28 18:51:37 NeoStrider meant: i had nethack on it Jul 28 18:52:14 I guess it was nethack Jul 28 18:52:16 i cant remember Jul 28 18:52:25 but it was a "gauntlets like" Jul 28 18:52:28 the next one is a bit trickier Jul 28 18:52:31 but more rpg than arcade Jul 28 18:52:47 can i use logmein on the nokia Jul 28 18:52:52 it has a java client Jul 28 18:52:58 and also a mozilla client Jul 28 19:04:52 pupnik: Jul 28 19:04:52 gzip: stdin: not in gzip format Jul 28 19:04:52 tar: Child returned status 1 Jul 28 19:05:55 did i misname it? try xjvf Jul 28 19:07:52 worked Jul 28 19:13:26 pupnik, the package name...what it is? Jul 28 19:16:02 smw-bin_1.7-8_armel.deb Jul 28 19:16:12 debian/files Jul 28 19:17:19 well Jul 28 19:17:29 so the dir must be ~/smw-bin Jul 28 19:18:01 hmm or smw Jul 28 19:18:04 it was smw originally Jul 28 19:18:20 you tried getting fullscreen on smw? Jul 28 19:18:28 yeah it works Jul 28 19:18:34 fully Jul 28 19:18:43 no black on the left or right? Jul 28 19:18:52 oh there is black on left/right Jul 28 19:18:59 none of the maps are for 800x480 Jul 28 19:19:00 i think i can get rid of those Jul 28 19:19:06 ok Jul 28 19:20:10 do you think it should have onscreen buttons? or can the special weapon be Jul 28 19:20:11 How about mapping 1 or 2 buttons on the freed area Jul 28 19:20:16 heh Jul 28 19:20:17 yes Jul 28 19:22:57 smw would be better if your were only to have a single package for everything Jul 28 19:23:23 Hm, I just set up SB and apt won't resolve repository.maemo.org. However, wget obviously can.. Jul 28 19:23:25 there are many different data packs possible Jul 28 19:23:36 many different level setups - a whole community builds levels Jul 28 19:23:47 also there is a "smw mini" data package Jul 28 19:23:55 taking only 4 MB Jul 28 19:24:21 what do i need to do besides create the .desktop file? Jul 28 19:24:31 what do i need to change in debian/? Jul 28 19:24:39 pupnik: For what? Jul 28 19:24:48 to get the application into the menu Jul 28 19:25:10 NeoStrider was going to work on that but now he's flying off on tangents Jul 28 19:25:19 :) Jul 28 19:25:35 anybody notice the loading time bug.. Jul 28 19:25:49 Create the .desktop file, then assuming your source package has only one binary package then install the .desktop file into the /usr/share/applications/ directory using debian/rules; or you could use debian/install. Jul 28 19:25:51 where it ask you to press any button..and don't respond... Jul 28 19:26:04 yes N800 Jul 28 19:26:15 before packaging.. Jul 28 19:26:23 might want to check those things out.. Jul 28 19:28:16 no Jul 28 19:28:20 im working on i t! Jul 28 19:28:24 it! Jul 28 19:28:27 hehe Jul 28 19:28:42 but there are stuff pertinent to it Jul 28 19:28:45 like the dir name Jul 28 19:28:56 becouse autotools infere the name of the app from it Jul 28 19:29:07 ah Jul 28 19:31:33 so we need to make a debian/smw/usr/share/applications/hildon/ Jul 28 19:31:49 ? and in rules, under install add Jul 28 19:32:14 You know, it /really/ is easier using debian/$PACKAGENAME.install.. Jul 28 19:32:29 ah ok Jul 28 19:32:59 One line: "path/to/smw.install usr/share/applications/hildon/" Jul 28 19:33:28 actually pupnik, everything I know comes from maemowizard Jul 28 19:33:55 "make"ing smw Jul 28 19:39:45 ok Jul 28 19:39:49 maybe i figured it out Jul 28 19:39:55 you had a smw-nokia dir Jul 28 19:40:00 with a smw.desktop Jul 28 19:40:06 and a smw-bin package Jul 28 19:40:14 the system had 3 names to handle Jul 28 19:40:35 I will build a new package and see what happens changing smw.desktop to smw-bin.desktop Jul 28 19:40:36 ok originally the dir was smw - i just changed smw to smw_nokia to prevent conflicts when you unpacked it Jul 28 19:40:41 cool Jul 28 19:40:42 ok Jul 28 19:40:51 i renamed it to smw-bin Jul 28 19:41:58 dpkg-buildpackage complained it from being smw-bin and not smw-1.7 Jul 28 19:42:04 this is a good clue too Jul 28 19:42:25 thanks for the help jonnylamb Jul 28 19:43:22 disq: You helped me a few days ago with a weird web stream not getting along with My N770... I finally solved it. I opened up ESD on the 770 a bit and was able to stream mplayer on my server to it. Went from taking up 178% of the CPU (according to Mplayer) to 36%. :) Jul 28 19:44:27 is there a good repository for gregale libraries and development libraries for scratchbox? Jul 28 19:46:49 joshin: glad to hear (did i? don't remember) Jul 28 19:47:21 disq: I thought so. My logs rolled off... Jul 28 19:47:42 Anyhow, I was amused that I got it working. More amused that I didn't break anything. Jul 28 19:48:22 packages done Jul 28 19:48:24 testing Jul 28 19:50:24 strange...the dpkg not even asked me where to put the shortcut Jul 28 19:50:42 that dialog asking "Games" "Extras" , etc Jul 28 19:51:08 hmmmm Jul 28 19:51:19 you guys have a working package already.. Jul 28 19:51:54 wheres the service file? Jul 28 19:52:46 ? ? Jul 28 20:03:05 we need a file named like Jul 28 20:03:15 org.pupnikgames.smw.service Jul 28 20:03:18 for dbus Jul 28 20:03:27 to call the game when its icon is clicked Jul 28 20:03:36 ah ok - searching Jul 28 20:03:45 take a look at maemowizard's template and you will see one Jul 28 20:04:52 so copy Maemowizard.template.service to smw-bin.template.service and edit it? Jul 28 20:05:07 or smw.template.service? Jul 28 20:05:26 hey Jul 28 20:05:37 actually the name is some kind of url in reverse Jul 28 20:05:43 MaemoWizard is like a domain Jul 28 20:05:59 when you apply the script it became something like MaemoWizard.smw.service Jul 28 20:06:00 yeah Jul 28 20:06:15 ohhh Jul 28 20:06:17 so it can be org.pupnikgames.smw.service Jul 28 20:06:17 duh Jul 28 20:06:21 ;-) Jul 28 20:06:38 the service file is vital to the desktop to work Jul 28 20:06:44 and to have the app on the taskbar Jul 28 20:06:55 72dpiarmy made it Jul 28 20:07:10 72dpiarmy.smw.service maybe Jul 28 20:09:38 doing a extensive search on the source dir Jul 28 20:10:41 file not found Jul 28 20:10:59 i will copy the maemowizard service file Jul 28 20:11:04 but how to include it? Jul 28 20:11:20 you don't need a service file.. Jul 28 20:11:45 why not? Jul 28 20:12:08 not sure...but sll it does is show the loading rectangle on the top right of the screen..under thebattery meter Jul 28 20:12:18 more com.nokia.bomberman_app.service // bomberman has one Jul 28 20:12:32 had issues with it before and notice when i didn't use it the loading didn't show.. Jul 28 20:12:38 and when i did loading showed. Jul 28 20:12:41 Makefile.am:servicedir = $(datadir)/dbus-1/services Jul 28 20:12:41 Makefile.am:service_DATA = com.nokia.bomberman_app.service Jul 28 20:12:42 Makefile.am: com.nokia.bomberman_app.service Jul 28 20:13:01 if you think its not too much work.. Jul 28 20:13:03 inculde it.. Jul 28 20:13:20 i left it out in POSE Jul 28 20:13:30 and synergy2 GUI Jul 28 20:13:40 you can launch them from menu? Jul 28 20:13:40 MaemoWizard service file actually is bomberman files modified (klaus allowed me to do so) Jul 28 20:13:46 :) Jul 28 20:13:51 yes Jul 28 20:13:56 doesn't stop that Jul 28 20:14:02 i have synergy2 in the menu Jul 28 20:14:16 and launch it Jul 28 20:14:16 strange... Jul 28 20:14:23 but it shows on the task bar? Jul 28 20:14:25 i read that you need to register with dbus otherwise the application closes after a few seconds? does this sound familiar? Jul 28 20:14:28 the loading deosn't appear like other apps Jul 28 20:14:45 synergy never closed on me.. Jul 28 20:14:53 cool Jul 28 20:14:54 but will put it to the test right now Jul 28 20:15:11 4:15 Jul 28 20:16:02 * pupnik is working on virtual keyboard Jul 28 20:16:38 but synergy uses SDL? Jul 28 20:16:48 pupnik, what virtual keyboard? Jul 28 20:17:29 right now xvkbd Jul 28 20:17:42 compiled synergy2 a while back Jul 28 20:17:45 xkbd builds, matchbox-keyboard and xvkbd are not building Jul 28 20:18:13 synergy2 GUI application Jul 28 20:18:23 well NeoStrider then maybe synergy2 gui is a good place to start Jul 28 20:19:08 yeah, but synergy2 uses SDL? Jul 28 20:19:17 there is a diferent nature in the applications Jul 28 20:19:29 ah Jul 28 20:19:39 SDL apps tend to be more window-manager agnostics Jul 28 20:20:21 quicksynergy.sourceforge.net Jul 28 20:21:19 gtk and C Jul 28 20:21:26 so...its a diferent monster Jul 28 20:21:43 i still recommend checkin out bomberman and indt games Jul 28 20:21:52 pupnik: maemocjk uses matchbox-keyboard successfully. Jul 28 20:22:09 before I had a service file, my game engine would stuck with the "loading box" and did nothing besides that Jul 28 20:22:23 and even after I had a service file and desktop file, they had to be properly configured Jul 28 20:26:41 trying a different thing: copied and adapted angstron desktop and service files to see if it works Jul 28 20:30:04 no success Jul 28 20:30:08 sucess Jul 28 20:30:32 I guess we need a new autotools configuration Jul 28 20:30:49 >_< Jul 28 20:31:11 or maybe, maemowizard heheh Jul 28 20:31:15 I dont know Jul 28 20:31:32 i created maemowizard exactly becouse of my lack of knowledge Jul 28 20:31:39 and the lack of good documentation Jul 28 20:31:48 and my lack of time =-P Jul 28 20:32:26 hey...I have a suggestion: Jul 28 20:32:47 take any game (angstron will do) package, unpack it, change the binarie and re-pack it =-P Jul 28 20:33:05 * pupnik needs imake and xmkmf and debhelper 5 and ivtools and libmodule-build-perl and ... Jul 28 20:33:51 hahahah Jul 28 20:34:02 but my research wasnt all failure Jul 28 20:34:16 you do need a propper desktop and service file Jul 28 20:34:38 If apt-get update is getting stuck ("99% [Waiting for headers]") does that mean that the repositories are down? Jul 28 20:34:43 ( and some gameplay adaptations ;-) ) Jul 28 20:34:49 ok Jul 28 20:35:00 soothsayer...not really, I guess Jul 28 20:35:21 I need to restart my X Jul 28 20:35:27 Xephyr stole the sound Jul 28 20:43:52 Is repository.maemo.org barely responsive for anyone else? Jul 28 20:45:50 svn checkout is slow here Jul 28 20:45:57 pupnik: Thanks Jul 28 20:53:16 re Jul 28 20:53:33 brezillian kaffe, ya! Jul 28 20:53:50 well...I need to solve a bug on angstron Jul 28 20:54:02 how is things going on smc? Jul 28 20:54:11 s/is/are/ Jul 28 20:54:11 NeoStrider meant: how are things going on smc? Jul 28 20:54:52 trying to increase speed and improve sounds Jul 28 20:55:14 but works? Jul 28 20:55:19 also we could use another n800 user to verify that sound isn't working Jul 28 20:55:24 yeah i wasted a lot of time playing Jul 28 20:55:46 hahhaha Jul 28 20:56:24 it's playable at 12-16 fps at 800x480, which is pretty good fullscreen SDL performance Jul 28 20:57:25 N800 was getting higher fps, indicating that the game logic and compositing is more of a bottleneck than the framebuffer right now Jul 28 20:58:03 so reducing bitmaps by 400% size and implementing Xsp should give 20+ fps Jul 28 20:58:52 one thing to note Jul 28 20:59:12 while N800 has faster cpu, it has slower screen performance Jul 28 20:59:24 so sometimes, 770 can be faster than n800 Jul 28 20:59:33 (canola has tearing on N800!) Jul 28 21:00:12 yes i read the developer thread by ssvb Jul 28 21:00:41 so it was interesting that N800 was faster with smc Jul 28 21:00:55 you guys told me about the swirl effect on smw...it was actually quite smooth Jul 28 21:01:09 swirl effect slows down gameplay here Jul 28 21:01:22 smc has much more logic than pure graphics Jul 28 21:01:22 fps drops below 15 Jul 28 21:01:29 its very graphic wise, right? Jul 28 21:01:59 i don't know the answer Jul 28 21:02:10 (smw wasnt any slower than n800 on that video...shocking =-) ) Jul 28 21:02:45 i get about 50 fps on smw Jul 28 21:04:45 take a look at this: Jul 28 21:04:46 http://forum.nokia.com/main/technical_services/usability/games_usability_guidelines.html Jul 28 21:04:51 might be useful Jul 28 21:05:35 nice Jul 28 21:06:57 don't know if anyone suggested this. Jul 28 21:07:15 but if we drop the res on the game don't fps increase.. Jul 28 21:07:27 smc is at 800x480.. Jul 28 21:07:49 drop it down to 640x400 might be beneficial Jul 28 21:08:00 maybe +3 fps Jul 28 21:08:08 maybe Jul 28 21:08:14 i tested it Jul 28 21:08:15 but it will be ugly Jul 28 21:08:23 and may bring usability issues Jul 28 21:08:26 found another game..working on maemo.. Jul 28 21:08:33 about system interaction Jul 28 21:08:44 what game, N800? Jul 28 21:08:52 i have at least 4 to try out. but 2morrow..i'm going to work on them and package Jul 28 21:08:59 kobodeluxe.. Jul 28 21:09:03 pacman? Jul 28 21:09:05 looking for a pacman game Jul 28 21:10:13 but any game that performs in fullscreen and descent fps is good for maemo Jul 28 21:10:14 i guess Jul 28 21:15:48 smw ;-) Jul 28 21:16:56 oh thats a fun game Jul 28 21:17:01 you will like Jul 28 21:22:50 I also like defendguin Jul 28 21:23:03 template works fine here :/ Jul 28 21:23:48 template? Jul 28 21:24:18 anyone watching the pan-american gameS? Jul 28 21:24:28 s/gameS/games/ Jul 28 21:24:30 NeoStrider meant: anyone watching the pan-american games? Jul 28 21:24:37 smw just moves two, maybe 4 sprites around the screen. that's why it's so fast. Jul 28 21:24:55 I love their transitions and fades though. I need to learn how to do that for Kagu. Jul 28 21:25:01 they both use SDL, I think. Jul 28 21:25:05 but the [?] boxes also have animation Jul 28 21:25:11 and the brick boxes Jul 28 21:25:13 very little Jul 28 21:25:22 it's not a side scroller. Jul 28 21:25:28 The background doesn't move. Jul 28 21:25:31 I did a very simple fade with SDL_gfx Jul 28 21:25:41 how'd you do it? Jul 28 21:25:58 static void FadeToBlack() Jul 28 21:25:58 { Jul 28 21:25:58 int c=8; Jul 28 21:25:58 while (c--) Jul 28 21:25:58 { Jul 28 21:25:59 filledTrigonRGBA(SDL_GetVideoSurface(),0,0,0,480,800,0,0,0,0,64); Jul 28 21:26:01 filledTrigonRGBA(SDL_GetVideoSurface(),800,480,0,480,800,0,0,0,0,64); Jul 28 21:26:05 SDL_Delay(30); Jul 28 21:26:07 SDL_UpdateRect(SDL_GetVideoSurface(),0,0,0,0); Jul 28 21:26:09 } Jul 28 21:26:11 PaintItBlack(); Jul 28 21:26:13 } Jul 28 21:26:15 ugly, but works well Jul 28 21:26:27 static void PaintItBlack() Jul 28 21:26:27 { Jul 28 21:26:27 filledTrigonRGBA(SDL_GetVideoSurface(),0,0,0,480,800,0,0,0,0,255); Jul 28 21:26:27 filledTrigonRGBA(SDL_GetVideoSurface(),800,480,0,480,800,0,0,0,0,255); Jul 28 21:26:27 SDL_UpdateRect(SDL_GetVideoSurface(),0,0,0,0); Jul 28 21:26:29 } Jul 28 21:26:30 use a pastebin.ca for code please Jul 28 21:26:39 whats that? Jul 28 21:26:49 so... you're basically just painting a progressively darker alpha surface on over the screen? Jul 28 21:27:11 http://pastebin.ca to paste code and show it to ppl - very useful Jul 28 21:27:36 yes, thevarthan Jul 28 21:27:48 I discovered it acidentally Jul 28 21:27:59 while doing the trails for the bikes in angstron Jul 28 21:28:14 I will use it Jul 28 21:28:15 thanks Jul 28 21:28:48 I might give that a try in pygame. Looks easy enough. Jul 28 21:29:41 yeah...on 770 its passable Jul 28 21:29:47 not as good as in desktop, but works Jul 28 21:30:08 and its easy =-) Jul 28 21:30:12 Hey pupnik: do you know of a good ROM choosing interface for snes9x/zsnes/etc under normal linux? KDE/Gnome/etc? Jul 28 21:30:35 is "dialog" available to maemo? Jul 28 21:30:41 I've been using mythgame, but I can't on this one computer because zsnes segfaults when run over SSH for some reason. Jul 28 21:30:45 someone could do a hildon-dialog =-) Jul 28 21:31:02 how the f*ck do i use load-applet-run? Jul 28 21:31:20 im still learning the basics of hildon Jul 28 21:33:25 there is NO instructions on how to use load-applet-run ANYWHERE Jul 28 21:33:31 god damn it Jul 28 21:34:12 maemo has , in general, some lack of good documentation Jul 28 21:34:19 and since mildgard, im quite lost Jul 28 21:34:24 hm Jul 28 21:34:32 thats something I would love to help improving Jul 28 21:34:52 if I only knew how to do things in first place =-P Jul 28 21:35:44 the bastard who made that app didn't write ONE WORD of HOWTO Jul 28 21:38:56 make is outputting errors... Jul 28 21:39:05 we got another gold medal =-) Jul 28 21:39:13 but then terminal will not let me scroll up to view the rest of the errors Jul 28 21:39:21 tried make | less Jul 28 21:39:28 that didn't work Jul 28 21:39:33 wtf Jul 28 21:39:38 and make > log.txt? Jul 28 21:40:15 doesn't make one Jul 28 21:41:14 because it's using stderr not stdout Jul 28 21:41:18 you have to redirect the stream Jul 28 21:41:58 i forget how exactly though :/ Jul 28 21:42:00 make 2> log.txt Jul 28 21:42:15 is there a way to write a control panel applet in python? normally cp needs .so files for applets Jul 28 21:42:35 anyone got an adblocker for the n800? Jul 28 21:42:44 Vertoo: /etc/hosts Jul 28 21:43:04 get a host list of ad servers and add them to /etc/hosts and they will be blocked Jul 28 21:43:09 sometimes the unix way is the simple way Jul 28 21:43:16 i use adblock plus addon for firefox on my pc's and would like something like that Jul 28 21:43:45 oh. ok Jul 28 21:44:07 can i just add like a .txt file or what? Jul 28 21:44:28 oh, you have to reboot the device to get the load-applet-run to appear in the icon bar Jul 28 21:45:06 jesus christ. one freaking sentence would have been enough. the guy puts a .deb up on his website and doesn't write one FREAKING sentence about what it is and how to use it Jul 28 21:45:07 vi is the only text editor available in stock maemo devices? Jul 28 21:45:18 maemopad Jul 28 21:45:29 hum...good point Jul 28 21:45:34 and console ones? Jul 28 21:45:39 vi Jul 28 21:45:45 it's part of busybox Jul 28 21:45:51 =-( Jul 28 21:45:51 can i just add like a .txt file or what? Jul 28 21:46:02 i would love some nano Jul 28 21:46:09 you can get pico or nano Jul 28 21:46:10 pupnik: ^ Jul 28 21:46:26 how easy would be to port it? Jul 28 21:47:01 Vertoo: search around for a hosts file for adblocking and then "cat hosts.txt >> /etc/hosts" where hosts.txt is the name of the adblocker hosts file Jul 28 21:47:17 why make a port when one exists Jul 28 21:47:21 >> concats? Jul 28 21:47:50 yes Jul 28 21:47:58 "you live, you learn" Jul 28 21:48:29 thx Jul 28 21:51:48 ok load-applet-run is the greatest utility ever Jul 28 21:52:14 never heard of it Jul 28 21:52:30 it lets me run sdl games without menus Jul 28 21:52:55 makes a shortcut item to any shell command Jul 28 21:53:14 its like the "start>run" on windows? Jul 28 21:53:18 yes Jul 28 21:53:21 cool Jul 28 21:53:33 but you can make shortcuts for your commands Jul 28 21:53:44 and they appear in the menu Jul 28 21:53:54 but the processor-and-memory-graphs applet doesnt allow that too? Jul 28 21:54:23 yes that applet seems to be called load-applet-run Jul 28 21:54:53 it's still not a good solution for a vkbd Jul 28 21:55:00 because a fullscreen sdl window covers up the applet Jul 28 21:55:33 I want to create a vkbd on SDL Jul 28 21:55:37 to use on my games Jul 28 21:56:02 my BZK game engine may help me to do it without much to worry Jul 28 21:56:30 that's ok, but a keyboard that works with all games and apps would be more useful Jul 28 21:56:52 maybe I can do it in a way that would be easy to include on other games =-) Jul 28 21:57:27 well i can bring up a keyboard that works on top of non-fullscreen sdl games now Jul 28 21:57:32 with matchbox-keyboard Jul 28 21:57:44 its the same hildon apps use? Jul 28 21:57:54 no, it's an X keyboard, not a hildon/gtk one Jul 28 21:58:12 hold on i make a page for it Jul 28 21:58:25 ok Jul 28 21:59:30 you guys saw that webkit SDL port? Jul 28 21:59:42 a SDL vkbd would be useful for it Jul 28 22:09:33 http://pupnik.de/matchbox-kbd.html Jul 28 22:10:15 _Monkey: matchbox-keyboard is An Xlib/SDL compatible virtual keyboard http://pupnik.de/matchbox-kbd.html Jul 28 22:10:15 <_Monkey> OK, pupnik. Jul 28 22:10:26 welcome back you chimp! Thanks milhouse Jul 28 22:10:51 resurrected an old 10GB disk I had lying around... fingers crossed it holds up :) Jul 28 22:11:11 should rebuild the server really... it's a pile of old crap! ;) Jul 28 22:11:51 i have to resist the temptation to pollute _monkey with silly responses to one-liners (like "why?") Jul 28 22:12:03 or "anybody here?" Jul 28 22:12:04 :) Jul 28 22:12:35 i won't stop you :) Jul 28 22:13:39 _Monkey: "Can I ask a question" is a superflous question. Jul 28 22:13:39 <_Monkey> OK, pupnik. Jul 28 22:14:01 Can I ask a question? Jul 28 22:14:04 darn Jul 28 22:14:25 Can I ask a question Jul 28 22:14:56 pupnikm Can I ask a question? ;-P Jul 28 22:15:06 why dont you put some pictures on your website? Jul 28 22:15:16 _Monkey: "two words" is a test of quoted responses Jul 28 22:15:16 <_Monkey> OK, pupnik. Jul 28 22:15:21 "two words"? Jul 28 22:15:22 <_Monkey> "two words" is a test of quoted responses Jul 28 22:15:28 two words Jul 28 22:15:32 ahh i get it now Jul 28 22:15:37 not sure why it's not learning Jul 28 22:15:38 _Monkey: forget "two words" Jul 28 22:15:39 <_Monkey> pupnik: I forgot "two words" Jul 28 22:15:44 it's seeing your statements... Jul 28 22:16:12 "Can I ask a question"? Jul 28 22:16:15 if you want to teach _monkey 1-1, try joining #mvhtest Jul 28 22:16:58 neostrider, here's the only pic you need :Phttp://pupnik.de/pics.html Jul 28 22:17:24 i was just browsing that pic Jul 28 22:17:27 and thinking Jul 28 22:17:31 "WTF!?" Jul 28 22:18:58 hehe Jul 28 22:20:23 in the form factor, I guess the 770 is prettier than the n800, but I would change the side buttons to a N-Gage configuration Jul 28 22:20:38 N-Gage was darn good to play Jul 28 22:25:11 pupnik Jul 28 22:25:16 my pms are blocked Jul 28 22:25:21 but looks nice! Jul 28 22:25:26 like blades of exile Jul 28 22:25:33 know this one? Jul 28 22:26:39 yes spiderweb software Jul 28 22:28:24 its now GPL Jul 28 22:28:32 that game is awesome Jul 28 22:28:42 (now Im a registered user! \o/) Jul 28 22:31:57 * NeoStrider got a headache and is looking for some cake to feed himself Jul 28 22:40:23 NeoStrider, you working on angstron Jul 28 22:41:35 yeah Jul 28 22:41:41 trying to fix the rendering Jul 28 22:41:46 so I can design better levels Jul 28 22:42:02 you like it? Jul 28 22:44:25 think i might get gltron working Jul 28 22:44:28 which is tron Jul 28 22:44:42 know in about 10+ minutes Jul 28 22:45:32 different approaches Jul 28 22:45:49 my game is more story driven =-) Jul 28 22:45:58 and more slow-paced Jul 28 22:46:07 (partly becouse of the slow engine heheh) Jul 28 22:47:32 blood sweat and tears behind yours Jul 28 22:48:09 so...how is it going? Jul 28 22:48:25 2 dependencies so far Jul 28 22:48:46 opengl or mesa and SDL_sound Jul 28 22:49:12 went with mesa..<--no brainer 3.1 compiled in scratchbox Jul 28 22:49:27 and now currently compiling SDL_sound Jul 28 22:49:43 if it doesnt work, try arma Jul 28 22:49:44 might run into some issues with it.. Jul 28 22:51:17 think the only issue i might have is gltron needing a later version of mesa Jul 28 22:51:38 3.1 current version is 7.0 i think Jul 28 22:51:46 thats a stretch Jul 28 22:52:36 Armagetron advanced seem to be more updated Jul 28 22:52:55 sdl_sound compiled Jul 28 22:54:37 i wonder how will it perform on device Jul 28 22:54:58 indt folks told me minigl was hellish slow on devices Jul 28 22:55:10 but I dont know if it was 770 or n800 Jul 28 22:57:33 BRB folks Jul 28 22:57:34 snackk Jul 28 23:00:25 compiled Jul 28 23:25:06 anybody used pymaemo's rpc_async_run() successfully here? i get segfaults trying to read args in the callback func **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jul 28 23:27:25 2007 Jul 28 23:29:14 anyone got some good games for the 800? just looking for something to burn time on the go Jul 28 23:30:31 they are spread around many websites and repositories Jul 28 23:31:09 name a category of game and i can provide some suggestions Jul 28 23:42:49 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=63763#post63763 << Saving maemo and increasing quality of applications by designing the next-generation Internet Tablet to accomodate a wider variety of uses. Jul 28 23:48:23 rpg and strategy games Jul 28 23:49:43 owch Jul 28 23:50:04 Well the FCEU NES emulator has a bunch (zelda et al) Jul 28 23:50:29 Battle for Wesnoth is available - takes up lots of room Jul 28 23:50:56 http://blackax.net/Pub/wesnoth/ Jul 28 23:51:41 im back Jul 28 23:51:52 so, N800 did it? Jul 28 23:52:02 ? Jul 28 23:52:07 gltron Jul 28 23:52:36 compiled Jul 28 23:52:39 cannot run Jul 28 23:52:41 worked? Jul 28 23:52:43 why? Jul 28 23:53:22 x11 is not configured for the the opengl chip Jul 28 23:53:32 something to that affect Jul 28 23:54:18 yeah, but software rendering? Jul 28 23:54:31 tried Jul 28 23:54:34 same error Jul 28 23:54:47 it actually has the choices for it Jul 28 23:54:54 gltron -O Jul 28 23:55:59 the error exactly Jul 28 23:56:28 Couldn't set GL mode:X11 driver not configured with OpenGL Jul 28 23:56:35 hum...software rendering doesnt need a configured opengl chip Jul 28 23:56:40 ok Jul 28 23:56:47 maybe DRI is not activated Jul 28 23:56:56 how do i activate? Jul 28 23:56:58 zorg Jul 28 23:57:00 xorg Jul 28 23:57:11 use to xorg.conf Jul 28 23:57:13 and this custom KDrive use something diferent for the video rendering of the video player Jul 28 23:57:37 the problem is that KDrive doesnt use configuration files, but parameters Jul 28 23:58:54 well until i get that figured out... Jul 28 23:59:00 just a waste of space now.. Jul 29 00:00:03 unique...if there was a way, folks @ indt would already be using it Jul 29 00:00:06 right? Jul 29 00:01:19 maybe they never had a reason to mess with it Jul 29 00:01:41 next game Jul 29 00:01:47 blobwars Jul 29 00:01:53 already done by someone? Jul 29 00:02:56 playing it on scratchbox.. Jul 29 00:04:08 unique311, they're strugling to get canola without tearing Jul 29 00:04:57 they did canola on SDL. I guess they would love to make it with GL. They did something on S60 (they couldnt tell me what) with SDL but then moved to GL ,as its more powerful Jul 29 00:05:34 do you remember keesj and his xmoto port/ Jul 29 00:05:35 ? Jul 29 00:05:41 no Jul 29 00:06:05 well the actually helped improving SDL_gfx so it could replace OpenGL on 2D graphics Jul 29 00:06:09 for the maemo port Jul 29 00:06:52 there is something about OpenGL that I dont like (and its something I once belived too): people tend to think of it as the solution to everything Jul 29 00:07:23 ok...it saves lots of work? yes. But sometimes , it general nature takes performance to the ground Jul 29 00:07:49 If I had used GL on my game engine, I would have it finished for ages and angstron would be a past project for me Jul 29 00:09:57 done for the day... Jul 29 00:10:04 going to a going away party Jul 29 00:10:09 should be fun Jul 29 00:10:18 omg zorg would be a great name for a window system Jul 29 00:10:39 peace Jul 29 00:10:47 cu Jul 29 00:11:05 cu Jul 29 00:11:10 good party for ya Jul 29 00:11:41 zorg ? only if all the windows had 5 colors and dinossaur themed icons Jul 29 00:12:05 and once per execution they would unite and create a gigantic icon Jul 29 00:12:25 zorg is too much power-rangerish for me =-P Jul 29 00:12:28 heh Jul 29 00:13:15 is your game going to be played on a flat plane? Jul 29 00:13:26 you might not need to do true 3D Jul 29 00:13:41 not always Jul 29 00:13:50 there are some 3D arenas Jul 29 00:13:50 can get 5x the speed if you do something like Doom Jul 29 00:13:54 ok Jul 29 00:14:03 Doom has a very singular rendering algorithm Jul 29 00:14:09 i have studied it Jul 29 00:14:15 its not something you can adapt easily Jul 29 00:14:17 me too Jul 29 00:14:35 im not using ray-casting Jul 29 00:14:49 but some very unique portal rendering Jul 29 00:15:03 discreet portal rendering of some sort Jul 29 00:16:07 I'm impressed by what you've done so far Jul 29 00:16:11 oh...and it is full 3D, not 2.5D Jul 29 00:16:18 actually, is not much Jul 29 00:16:42 ive done it in 4 months and for about 1 year and a half im trying to correct it and make it work Jul 29 00:16:50 2 years of hard work Jul 29 00:17:05 but the render only works 85% of the time Jul 29 00:17:11 im not satisfied Jul 29 00:17:23 angstron uses a very erratic profile of it Jul 29 00:17:58 if you notice, I dont have 3D polygons on the same level of the camera, otherwise the visibility order gets messed on some angles Jul 29 00:18:12 if I use other profile , it works, but is much slower Jul 29 00:18:51 but you guys have done great things too Jul 29 00:19:00 smw is much better than angstron Jul 29 00:19:09 you guys picked the right game to port Jul 29 00:19:44 unique311 found it, i just did packaging Jul 29 00:20:07 unfortunately it uses original gfx and sounds Jul 29 00:20:12 so there are copyright issues Jul 29 00:20:13 I took 1 full year to be able to pack the BZK to the 770 Jul 29 00:20:21 you did it in what? 2 days? Jul 29 00:20:33 bzk? Jul 29 00:21:06 the engine that angstron uses Jul 29 00:21:23 Ive been developing it since high school Jul 29 00:21:27 about 5 years ago Jul 29 00:21:28 nice Jul 29 00:21:35 this is the third instalment Jul 29 00:21:45 i started writing games when i was 10 :P Jul 29 00:21:45 the first was SDL+GL Jul 29 00:21:58 the second was Series60 and did poorly on 3D department Jul 29 00:22:03 me too Jul 29 00:22:05 wow Jul 29 00:22:07 how old are you? Jul 29 00:22:12 37 Jul 29 00:22:16 wow! Jul 29 00:22:20 im only 22! Jul 29 00:22:42 so? Jul 29 00:22:42 <_Monkey> i guess so is joost worth getting? Jul 29 00:23:40 you have much more experience (is that the right term?) Jul 29 00:23:56 yes right term, no not so much experience Jul 29 00:24:18 my S60 engine: http://nomadsoul.files.wordpress.com/2006/10/instant5.jpg Jul 29 00:24:22 but the nokia 770 made it fun again Jul 29 00:24:34 yeah...a lot Jul 29 00:24:42 I was getting tired of it with S60 Jul 29 00:24:50 I was quite unhappy with SDL indeed Jul 29 00:24:55 this was the first BZK: http://nomadsoul.files.wordpress.com/2006/09/screenshot8.thumbnail.jpg Jul 29 00:25:13 and this was my first game engine ever: http://nomadsoul.files.wordpress.com/2006/08/galeria_641.thumbnail.jpg Jul 29 00:25:15 Qbasic! Jul 29 00:25:59 the nokia 770 is the best plataform for homebrew this day Jul 29 00:26:09 well, the N800 too ;-) Jul 29 00:26:22 or gp2x Jul 29 00:26:33 nah Jul 29 00:26:34 but i don't want to spend 200 euro on a games-only device Jul 29 00:26:38 gp2x is too weak Jul 29 00:26:55 not on the horse power Jul 29 00:26:59 but on the software side Jul 29 00:27:06 ah Jul 29 00:27:14 (I posted here only thumbnails: http://nomadsoul.files.wordpress.com/2006/08/galeria_641.jpg) Jul 29 00:27:23 well it is useless for most things Jul 29 00:27:54 yeah...and ok, 770 keypad sucks, but hey...touchscreen worth a lot Jul 29 00:28:01 I wouldnt trade my 770 for a PSP Jul 29 00:28:11 Nokia 770 has shown the world that a little device could do everything Jul 29 00:28:31 I will have to package UQM soon so you can see it with touchscreen buttons Jul 29 00:28:34 it's very nice now Jul 29 00:28:40 (http://nomadsoul.files.wordpress.com/2006/09/screenshot8.jpg) Jul 29 00:28:55 if you good enough to optimize stuff, you can do anything Jul 29 00:29:03 Doom for 770 shows this well Jul 29 00:29:08 hey what's that screenshot8? Jul 29 00:29:26 while the 770 cant handle quake, it can handle lots of other funny stuff too Jul 29 00:29:32 screenshot8 was the first BZK Jul 29 00:29:37 from about 5 years ago Jul 29 00:29:44 ah ok Jul 29 00:33:42 what do you do for living? Jul 29 00:34:16 my last jobs were programming, databases, administration Jul 29 00:34:29 and now Jul 29 00:34:30 ? Jul 29 00:34:37 not working :) Jul 29 00:35:08 better heheh Jul 29 00:35:24 i dont know if this is possible Jul 29 00:35:36 but I want to avoid corporate computing as much as possible Jul 29 00:36:32 I work for a public newspaper, doing a system for processing RTF files and inserting them on a database, for publishing Jul 29 00:36:37 and this is my limit Jul 29 00:37:05 cool, i had to do some postscript processing for faxing Jul 29 00:38:04 thats much cooler than database programming, right? Jul 29 00:38:14 formal language processing Jul 29 00:38:22 bakus naum forms Jul 29 00:38:25 etc Jul 29 00:38:53 wow. i just used regexps Jul 29 00:39:43 i built a huge C# system, loading XSL stylesheets Jul 29 00:40:00 the C# takes a RTF and convert it to a crude XML and the XSL does the hard job Jul 29 00:40:14 cool Jul 29 00:41:00 thats why I want to have mono running nice on my sbox Jul 29 00:41:16 so I can do some hildon love without C++ Jul 29 00:41:30 and create a nice angstron onboard level editor Jul 29 00:44:41 Hmm, what's a/the HTML rendering widget for use on the N800? (and in python?) Jul 29 00:53:08 hi Jul 29 00:54:54 houws it goin Jul 29 00:58:02 hi keesj Jul 29 00:58:03 hey keesj Jul 29 00:59:55 omg, there's a /var/lib/dpkg/status-old ... saved my ass! Jul 29 01:36:45 Hello, is there any flash player yet for IT2006/2007 (ARM arch)? Jul 29 01:37:00 opera and mplayer Jul 29 01:37:39 pupnik, mplayer works with opera to load flash in opera? Jul 29 01:37:56 no Jul 29 01:39:59 I keep hearing that Macromedia Flash player has been ported to ARM arch but searching everywhere is no avail Jul 29 01:40:20 you want a standalone flash player? Jul 29 01:40:49 pupnik, standalone will work if embedded doesn't Jul 29 01:41:10 aha Jul 29 01:41:31 http://www.gnashdev.org/ << seen this? (open source flash player) Jul 29 01:42:02 yes I have actually, and they support ARM as well? this comes all a shock to me because the iPhone is ARM arch Jul 29 01:42:15 i don't know - might be fun to try Jul 29 01:43:07 pupnik, thank you Jul 29 01:43:08 will try Jul 29 01:49:28 iphone doesnt support iphone, right? Jul 29 01:51:05 NeoStrider, heh, thats funny Jul 29 01:51:21 I will be reading the wiki hard core tonight, just got this thing in the mail this morning (: Jul 29 01:52:06 what the iphone is good for? Jul 29 01:52:17 OpenMoko is my phone of choice =-) Jul 29 01:54:05 great hardware imo Jul 29 01:54:12 640x480 phone Jul 29 01:54:17 \o/ Jul 29 01:54:28 its a decent phone Jul 29 01:54:39 I will not go and buy one right away though Jul 29 01:55:00 I think the data plans/rates for the USA are way too expensive Jul 29 02:16:09 i love fixing bugs going on instinct alone :) Jul 29 02:38:15 one of my wishes when getting into toronto is to get one **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Jul 29 02:59:56 2007