**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jul 30 02:59:57 2007
Jul 30 03:01:39 <trevarthan> letting my wife play with Kagu 1.0.1. she hasn't played with it since pre-disq days. :) see if it rocks her world.
Jul 30 03:01:43 <cesman> trevarthan: congrats on 1.0!
Jul 30 03:02:04 <trevarthan> thank you! It's all disq's doing. thank him too.
Jul 30 03:02:17 <cesman> disq: congrats on 1.0.1!
Jul 30 03:02:19 <cesman> :)
Jul 30 03:03:31 <pupnik> i forgot what i have to do to invoke "gtk-config" in scratchbox
Jul 30 03:04:16 <pupnik> hmm pkg-config
Jul 30 03:05:07 <pupnik> "he who can google has the advantage"
Jul 30 03:06:30 <disq> :)
Jul 30 03:06:46 <disq> pkgconfig rocks
Jul 30 03:15:12 <pupnik> well i have a program that is built around (apparently) gtk1.2 and substituting pkgconfig for gtk-config led to many wrong includes
Jul 30 03:15:31 <pupnik> i.e. tons of errors because it didn't have the types
Jul 30 03:15:44 <pupnik> GtkWidget undeclared etc
Jul 30 03:17:52 <pupnik> but gtk.h is right there in /usr/include/gtk-2.0/gtk/gtk.h
Jul 30 03:18:07 <pupnik> but conf.c says gtk/gtk.h no such file or directory
Jul 30 03:18:24 <disq> i have a program built around gtk1.2 that i'm willing to port to hildon someday too
Jul 30 03:18:38 <pupnik> so pkg-config -cflags must be giving badness
Jul 30 03:18:52 <disq> it's called guitar, it's like an archive file UI thingy
Jul 30 03:19:19 <pupnik> heh
Jul 30 03:19:23 <pupnik> --cflags i meant
Jul 30 03:23:38 <pupnik> ok it's pkg-config --cflags gtk+-2.0
Jul 30 03:24:56 <pupnik> woooooo \o/
Jul 30 03:28:05 <DaniloCesar> pupnik, Hi! Did you test your app (that game) with a N800 again?
Jul 30 03:28:18 <pupnik> i don't have a n800
Jul 30 03:35:11 <pupnik> ok changing a gtk1.2 to gtk2.0 config menu without knowing any gtk is not doable
Jul 30 03:35:24 <pupnik> can i build gtk1.2 libs for ITOS and have them work?
Jul 30 03:36:00 <disq> not a good idea, why not fix the app
Jul 30 03:36:24 <pupnik> i'll fix it all right
Jul 30 03:36:32 <pupnik> i'll strip out the whole config menu
Jul 30 03:37:24 <pupnik> there's no need for the menu config - it can all be done in textfile
Jul 30 03:41:01 <pupnik> mwahaha :)
Jul 30 03:52:20 <trevarthan> :) I'm still installing crap after my firmware upgrade. responsiveness is killer in new firmware. It's amazing.
Jul 30 03:52:56 <pupnik> btw trev, you on mmc or internal flash?
Jul 30 03:53:53 <trevarthan> both
Jul 30 03:53:58 <trevarthan> well, internal
Jul 30 03:54:06 <trevarthan> I don't run sardine or anything
Jul 30 03:55:20 <trevarthan> I just use mmc for songs/videos/etc
Jul 30 03:56:44 <pupnik> ok i just put 2006 on mmc today and it's great!  everything's snappier
Jul 30 03:57:08 <pupnik> it's a whole new feeling when things get snappier isn't it :)
Jul 30 03:57:44 <trevarthan> it really is.
Jul 30 03:57:53 <erstazi> pupnik, you have a 770 and it had 2005 on it?
Jul 30 03:57:56 <trevarthan> I think I just fell in love with my n800 all over again
Jul 30 03:58:10 <pupnik> no 2006 on internal flash
Jul 30 03:58:15 <pupnik> putting it on mmc sped it up
Jul 30 03:59:01 <trevarthan> what
Jul 30 03:59:07 <trevarthan> what's the default root pw again?
Jul 30 03:59:37 <pupnik> rootme
Jul 30 03:59:50 <erstazi> yeah I changed the default root password very quickly
Jul 30 04:01:07 <trevarthan> new camera app kicks ass too. so much faster
Jul 30 04:02:15 <trevarthan> not sure how to take video with it though
Jul 30 04:03:43 <unique311> trevarthan, this first try at the theme is a test...checked out the kagu-scanner.py db class...not scared at all to change things around.  doesn't seem hard at all..
Jul 30 04:04:01 <unique311> had a good time mapping buttons on the POSE emulator..
Jul 30 04:05:50 <unique311> do you still have the the psd file of the theme being used now?
Jul 30 04:06:05 <unique311> or AI..doubt it was done in illustrator
Jul 30 04:06:33 <trevarthan> I used gimp. just edited it raw
Jul 30 04:06:34 <pupnik> unique311: i got the gpu plugin ported
Jul 30 04:06:46 <unique311> nice
Jul 30 04:06:58 <pupnik> now i have to do all the other plugins
Jul 30 04:07:09 <pupnik> and i can't find out a FREAKING keyboard plugin
Jul 30 04:07:26 <unique311> guy on the forum was right...you are on a roll.
Jul 30 04:07:37 <pupnik> ALL the sites i find are about 'how do i get my usb pad plugin working'?
Jul 30 04:07:44 <pupnik> well this is a pointless exercise
Jul 30 04:07:54 <pupnik> and i blame you :)
Jul 30 04:08:09 <unique311> compliment, thanks..
Jul 30 04:08:42 <unique311> you ask for a software renderer that did use opengl..
Jul 30 04:08:47 <unique311> i just found it for ya..
Jul 30 04:08:55 <pupnik> source?
Jul 30 04:09:19 <unique311> keyboard plugin...looking right now.
Jul 30 04:13:04 <trevarthan> unique311: you can email it to me when you're done, or disq, or just let us know where to download it.
Jul 30 04:13:16 <trevarthan> take your time.
Jul 30 04:13:25 <disq> email us both we're curious :)
Jul 30 04:13:32 <unique311> trevarthan, using illustrator..should look really good.
Jul 30 04:13:49 <unique311> can't go wrong with vector
Jul 30 04:14:24 <trevarthan> true
Jul 30 04:14:34 <pupnik> psemu-input-omnijoy ok this might work
Jul 30 04:20:43 <trevarthan> wow. battery usage is awesome with the new firmware. so much better.
Jul 30 04:25:18 <trevarthan> youtube still sucks. oh well.
Jul 30 04:26:19 <unique311> actually it doesnt
Jul 30 04:27:01 <unique311> just gotta pause and wait till it dl the whole video.  and then play it
Jul 30 04:27:26 <unique311> but doing this on a weak internet connection and a large video still suck
Jul 30 04:27:31 <unique311> wait time
Jul 30 04:28:50 <trevarthan> ah. gotta try that
Jul 30 04:44:33 <erstazi> trevarthan, do you have a 770 or N800?
Jul 30 04:46:52 <trevarthan> n800
Jul 30 04:53:07 <trevarthan> huh. xchat is sweet.
Jul 30 04:54:27 <erstazi> xchat is nice, I use it as my primarily irc client when I am GUI but on my server I use irssi
Jul 30 04:55:17 <trevarthan> same here
Jul 30 04:55:41 <trevarthan> now if only I had a nice way to launch shell scripts from simple launcher, I'd be all set.
Jul 30 04:56:43 <pupnik> does that not work on n800?
Jul 30 04:58:03 <trevarthan> i don't know how.
Jul 30 05:10:01 <disq> can you try /bin/sh /path/to/shell/script? (probably you want /usr/bin/kagu?)
Jul 30 05:12:11 <trevarthan> no, kagu launches fine from simple launcher.
Jul 30 05:12:41 <trevarthan> I'm just thinking about my /home/user/bin/astaging autossh script. Might be handy to make that a button shortcut.
Jul 30 05:12:57 <trevarthan> I could do it with a .desktop file. I know how. It just isn't very easy.
Jul 30 05:13:30 <trevarthan> wish we had an easy way to shortcut shell scripts is all I'm saying.
Jul 30 05:13:31 <disq> well. see if astaging has #/bin/sh on the top then
Jul 30 05:13:44 <disq> or #!/bin/sh rather
Jul 30 05:13:45 <trevarthan> it does. it's executable.
Jul 30 05:14:26 <disq> well i don't like simple launcher very much. i think what we need for the desktop is a multiple tab plugin, where in the tabs you can arrange regular desktop plugins
Jul 30 05:14:56 <disq> and it would also allow multiple instances of plugins so you could have a few web shortcuts all doing different things
Jul 30 05:15:27 <trevarthan> I think that's basically what I'm saying. None of the launchers do what I want. Simple is the closest to what I want, it just doesn't make it easy to add shell scripts.
Jul 30 05:16:01 <trevarthan> IDEA is just too complicated.
Jul 30 05:16:37 <erstazi> I need to open port 9000 ugh
Jul 30 05:16:45 <erstazi> sorry, was thinking off my head, I got to stop doing that
Jul 30 05:16:54 <trevarthan> 1am here. i'm gonna catch some sleep.
Jul 30 05:17:00 <erstazi> same here
Jul 30 05:17:05 <erstazi> but sleep is for the innocent
Jul 30 05:17:07 <erstazi> heh
Jul 30 05:17:17 <disq> trevarthan: does alsa stuff (plugz? sbc?) require red pill mode?
Jul 30 05:17:45 <trevarthan> laterz peeps. peace out.
Jul 30 05:18:21 <disq> okay night
Jul 30 05:18:24 <disq> i'll catch some sleep too
Jul 30 05:18:42 <trevarthan> disq: maybe. used to work for me. this time i had to do dpkg -i
Jul 30 05:19:01 <trevarthan> not sure why...
Jul 30 05:19:11 <disq> trevarthan: if you repackage be sure to edit debian/control and change the class from libs/something to user/something
Jul 30 05:19:23 <disq> trevarthan: otherwise regular people won't be able to install it without redpill
Jul 30 05:19:51 <trevarthan> k. i'll do that.
Jul 30 05:19:52 <disq> or alternatively we could fork/rename them and put them up on the garage with a meta package
Jul 30 05:20:53 <trevarthan> i need to contact mplayer guy anyway.
Jul 30 05:21:13 <disq> i saw them a few times in maemo-devel, he's active
Jul 30 05:21:18 <disq> s/them/him
Jul 30 05:21:39 <trevarthan> thumb kb seems much more accurate in latest firmware. loving it.
Jul 30 05:22:24 <disq> is it? didn't notice, didn't use the thumb kb much since i upgraded
Jul 30 05:22:28 <milhouse> bug 1204 comment 6
Jul 30 05:22:28 <_Monkey> Bug 1204 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1204#c6
Jul 30 05:22:37 <disq> milhouse: good job
Jul 30 05:22:38 <milhouse> smashing... my first infobot module :)
Jul 30 05:22:43 <trevarthan> yeah. he runs a really old os though. keeps him from compiling things.
Jul 30 05:23:55 <trevarthan> alright.i'm out. for real. cya disq.
Jul 30 05:24:00 <disq> night.
Jul 30 05:24:28 <erstazi> milhouse, nice (:
Jul 30 05:24:37 <milhouse> thanks :)
Jul 30 05:24:59 <milhouse> _monkey good boy
Jul 30 05:25:00 <_Monkey> :)
Jul 30 05:38:54 <pupnik> is it true there's a new it2007he in the works?
Jul 30 05:39:14 <pupnik> or is that pretty much abandoned?
Jul 30 05:42:31 <milhouse> new version is in the works, allegedly
Jul 30 05:43:05 <milhouse> http://maemo.org/news/view/1183720952.html
Jul 30 05:43:20 <milhouse> like, er, any day now :)
Jul 30 05:43:30 <erstazi> milhouse, heh
Jul 30 06:04:28 <disq> ok, time to sleep. cya
Jul 30 06:14:09 <erstazi> howdy sx|lappy
Jul 30 06:15:48 <sx|lappy> howdy
Jul 30 06:18:03 <erstazi> ugh
Jul 30 06:23:18 <erstazi> sx|lappy, have you ever setup slimserver?
Jul 30 06:26:12 <sx|lappy> nope
Jul 30 06:26:33 <milhouse> erstazi - i have
Jul 30 06:27:29 <erstazi> I run the command: iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -i eth0 --dport 9000 -j ACCEPT (for slimserver) and still cannot connect to slimserver (besides http://127.0.0.1:9000)
Jul 30 06:27:48 <erstazi> so basically, I know its a firewall issue and I added port 9000 but no avail
Jul 30 06:28:22 <erstazi> am I missing something? it works with 127.0.0.1:9000
Jul 30 06:28:29 <milhouse> so not really a slimserver issue at all? :)
Jul 30 06:28:52 <milhouse> has it bound to the correct interface?
Jul 30 06:28:57 <erstazi> milhouse, no, its mainly a firewall issue, and its probably right under my nose but I am tired heh
Jul 30 06:29:14 <erstazi> milhouse, with 127.0.0.1:9000 yes
Jul 30 06:29:22 <milhouse> that sounds like lo
Jul 30 06:29:50 <erstazi> ok
Jul 30 06:30:00 <milhouse> loopback is 127.0.0.1
Jul 30 06:30:13 <milhouse> you'll have another interface eth0 or similar
Jul 30 06:30:42 <erstazi> yes
Jul 30 06:31:01 <milhouse> do you get the option in slimserver to bind to a specific interface?
Jul 30 06:31:10 <erstazi> no
Jul 30 06:31:11 <milhouse> i can't imagine it would bind to lo by default but worth checking...
Jul 30 06:31:13 <milhouse> k
Jul 30 06:31:24 <erstazi> would that be in the slimserver config?
Jul 30 06:31:39 <erstazi> I believe debian based distros use the slimserver.pref but I could be wrong
Jul 30 06:32:03 <milhouse> have a quick scan/search through slimserver.pref
Jul 30 06:32:18 <milhouse> i must admit i've only ever bothered to install slimserver on a Win2K3 box
Jul 30 06:32:33 <erstazi> yeah
Jul 30 06:34:31 <milhouse> have you checked the Security page in Server Settings?
Jul 30 06:35:11 <milhouse> Block Incoming Connections?
Jul 30 06:35:15 <erstazi> found the slimserver.pref
Jul 30 06:35:22 <erstazi> MMSport should be 9000 right?
Jul 30 06:35:38 <milhouse> umm... hang on
Jul 30 06:35:39 <erstazi> I checked for blocked incoming connections in my firewall but that came up with nothing
Jul 30 06:36:22 <milhouse> no, my MMSPort is 10002
Jul 30 06:36:41 <milhouse> httpport is 9000
Jul 30 06:36:41 <erstazi> same here
Jul 30 06:36:55 <erstazi> same here
Jul 30 06:37:12 <milhouse> Go to the Security Settings page in Server Settings within Slimserver (via your localhost browser connection)
Jul 30 06:37:24 <milhouse> There is a section title "Block Incoming Connections"
Jul 30 06:37:30 <milhouse> make sure you have it set to "Don't Block"
Jul 30 06:37:41 <erstazi> ok
Jul 30 06:40:00 <erstazi> I even added 192.168.1.* to the "Allowed IP Addresses"
Jul 30 07:52:30 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Jul 30 07:52:47 <LukeM> Morning
Jul 30 07:52:47 <_Monkey> aloha
Jul 30 07:56:18 <jkyro> hello
Jul 30 07:56:58 <jkyro> Is anybody else getting 401 unauthorized from repository.maemo.org?
Jul 30 07:58:41 <jkyro> or am I missing something...
Jul 30 08:02:21 <LukeM> lemme check
Jul 30 08:03:01 <LukeM> yep, I'm getting it too.
Jul 30 08:43:30 <pupnik> one damn api for hardware accelerated blits with depth-independent multiple layers
Jul 30 08:47:01 <pupnik> it's 2007 and 2d games are taking performance hits
Jul 30 08:47:01 <pupnik> for problems that were solved in hardware in ... 1983
Jul 30 08:49:12 <pupnik> we're unable to get smooth framerates because of issues that were dealt with (in crude form) by the Atari 400, the TI 99/4a
Jul 30 08:49:51 <pupnik> ... that is  a m a z i n g
Jul 30 08:50:21 <AD-N770> good morning
Jul 30 08:50:27 <pupnik> hi AD-N770
Jul 30 09:47:52 <pupnik>  http://pupnik.de/Netrek_0_01_tinyfont.jpg
Jul 30 09:56:54 <Tili> can someone recommend IDE for development on Debian for Maemo?
Jul 30 09:57:01 * timeless chuckles
Jul 30 09:57:03 <timeless> vi?
Jul 30 09:57:03 <_Monkey> vi is scarry to me
Jul 30 09:57:11 * timeless too
Jul 30 09:57:23 <timeless> tili: what do you actually need out of an ide?
Jul 30 09:57:54 <Tili> to manage project for me. i will have a project with multiple files etc
Jul 30 09:58:10 <Tili> so I wonder if some IDE supports already tools for maemo?
Jul 30 09:58:24 <timeless> maemo isn't really that special
Jul 30 09:58:25 <Tili> pardon me if I am asking basic questions
Jul 30 09:58:35 <robtaylor> Tili: i hear anjuta is getting scratchbox support
Jul 30 09:58:45 <Tili> oh cool. i used anjuta before
Jul 30 09:58:46 <timeless> generally you're either using autoconf+debian(dpkg)+scratchbox, or you're using python
Jul 30 09:58:57 <Tili> python for dev-tools?
Jul 30 09:59:06 <robtaylor> http://www.bogenschneller.de/jsschmid/blog/?p=60
Jul 30 09:59:06 <timeless> if you're using autoconf and friends, it's the same normal toolchain plus the pain of scratchbox
Jul 30 09:59:15 <timeless> but the ide doesn't change much
Jul 30 09:59:42 <robtaylor> Tili: personally, vim and bash is enough for me ;)
Jul 30 09:59:53 <Tili> and what about debugger? we use traditional GDB with command line?
Jul 30 10:00:02 <timeless> some people use ddd
Jul 30 10:00:17 <timeless> but basically, i'd recommend building the latest version of gdb and using it
Jul 30 10:00:28 <timeless> maemo really is linux
Jul 30 10:00:31 <robtaylor> Tili: i think anjuta has gdb support too, ddd is very nice too, though motif *blegh*
Jul 30 10:00:31 <timeless> most things don't change at all
Jul 30 10:00:49 <timeless> robtaylor: i'd hardly call ddd nice, but..
Jul 30 10:01:00 <robtaylor> timeless: well, it has very nice features...
Jul 30 10:01:04 <Tili> yeah that is cool. i will be porting some linux stuff to maemo. hoping to be not much painful as Symbian was
Jul 30 10:01:12 <robtaylor> timeless: ui wise, it verily sucks
Jul 30 10:01:23 <timeless> robtaylor: what's left that isn't just gdb?
Jul 30 10:01:47 <robtaylor> Tili: it should be mostly a case of building withing scratchbox
Jul 30 10:02:00 <robtaylor> Tili: maybe some ui changes for teh form factor, but thats about it
Jul 30 10:02:07 <timeless> tili: the big bit is whether you try to use hildon or not
Jul 30 10:02:16 <timeless> and for that, you probably want a cross reference
Jul 30 10:02:17 <robtaylor> timeless: everything's gdb underneath..
Jul 30 10:02:20 <Tili> robtaylor: do u recommend any other UI for GDB?
Jul 30 10:02:30 <timeless> i'll see about pushing that today/tomorrow
Jul 30 10:02:45 <Tili> what is hildon
Jul 30 10:02:45 <robtaylor> Tili: personally, i've never found a ui that works properly
Jul 30 10:02:45 <_Monkey> well, hildon is upstream of maemo, so mentioning maemo in the description is faulty
Jul 30 10:03:10 <robtaylor> Tili: hildon is a tablet desktop framework
Jul 30 10:03:48 <robtaylor> s/desktop/palmtop/ ? ;)
Jul 30 10:04:20 <robtaylor> Tili: http://live.gnome.org/Hildon
Jul 30 10:04:49 <Tili> thanks
Jul 30 10:05:12 <robtaylor> timeless: isn't everything just gdb? ;) I wish someone would modernise it a bit
Jul 30 10:05:12 <Tili> but my app will need to be downloaded and it is always better for me too keep size minimum as final binary and also when it runs on machine
Jul 30 10:05:23 <timeless> _monkry, hildon is also  http://live.gnome.org/Hildon
Jul 30 10:05:31 <timeless> _monkey, hildon is also http://live.gnome.org/Hildon
Jul 30 10:05:32 <_Monkey> okay, timeless.
Jul 30 10:06:05 <timeless> _monkey forget hildon
Jul 30 10:06:05 <_Monkey> timeless: I forgot hildon
Jul 30 10:06:18 <timeless> _monkey hildon is a tablet desktop framework, http://live.gnome.org/Hildon
Jul 30 10:06:18 <_Monkey> OK, timeless.
Jul 30 10:06:27 <timeless> silly bot, passive learning is bad
Jul 30 10:06:37 <robtaylor> Tili: hildon is part of the mameo platform
Jul 30 10:07:15 <robtaylor> _Monkey: hildon is also a standard part of the maemo platform
Jul 30 10:07:16 <_Monkey> okay, robtaylor.
Jul 30 10:07:34 <robtaylor> what is hildon
Jul 30 10:07:35 <_Monkey> hildon is a tablet desktop framework, http://live.gnome.org/Hildon or a standard part of the maemo platform
Jul 30 10:07:42 <robtaylor> gnng
Jul 30 10:07:53 <timeless> robtaylor "is also" is your friend
Jul 30 10:08:12 <robtaylor> timeless: thats what i said, diddle i?
Jul 30 10:08:31 <timeless> sorry, misread
Jul 30 10:08:35 <robtaylor> 'is also' = or? 'is' = and?
Jul 30 10:08:40 <timeless> no
Jul 30 10:08:49 <timeless> is => a |=
Jul 30 10:08:55 <timeless> hrm
Jul 30 10:08:56 <timeless> no
Jul 30 10:08:58 <robtaylor> heh
Jul 30 10:09:02 <timeless> is => a ||=
Jul 30 10:09:07 <timeless> is also => a |=
Jul 30 10:09:25 <timeless> is will not do anything (or it will error) if there's a value
Jul 30 10:09:33 <timeless> is also, adds the or and tail
Jul 30 10:09:38 <robtaylor> ah
Jul 30 10:09:59 <timeless> _monkey hildon is confusing
Jul 30 10:10:00 <_Monkey> ...but hildon is a tablet desktop framework, http://live.gnome.org/Hildon or a standard part of the maemo platform...
Jul 30 10:10:03 <timeless> (error)
Jul 30 10:10:10 <timeless> hildon is really confusing
Jul 30 10:10:15 <robtaylor> _Monkey: forget hildon
Jul 30 10:10:15 <timeless> (ignored)
Jul 30 10:10:16 <_Monkey> robtaylor: I forgot hildon
Jul 30 10:10:34 <timeless> note that infobots also support (kinda) =~ s/foo/bar/
Jul 30 10:10:36 <robtaylor> _Monkey: hildon is a tablet desktop framework, http://live.gnome.org/Hildon and a standard part of the maemo platform
Jul 30 10:10:37 <_Monkey> OK, robtaylor.
Jul 30 10:10:58 <timeless> so you could have done hildon =~ s/or a/and a/
Jul 30 10:10:58 <robtaylor> meh, stupid _Monkey
Jul 30 10:11:17 <robtaylor> timeless: nice :)
Jul 30 10:11:26 <timeless> (note that infobots don't appreciate leading/trailing whitespace in regexps)
Jul 30 10:11:47 <inz> Do they support regexps?
Jul 30 10:11:57 <inz> I thought they only supported string replacement
Jul 30 10:12:09 <inz> s/..pla/foo
Jul 30 10:12:09 <timeless> inz: the syntax is designed to look like perl re
Jul 30 10:12:21 <timeless> but yeah it's substrings
Jul 30 10:12:49 <inz> s!foo!bar!
Jul 30 10:12:50 <timeless> well, i suppose arguably sed stream editor replacing, but even that's regexp based..
Jul 30 10:12:53 <inz> *sniff* ;)
Jul 30 10:13:19 <inz> Does sed have =~ -operator?
Jul 30 10:14:39 <timeless> hrm, no :)
Jul 30 10:14:41 <timeless> so it's perl
Jul 30 10:14:42 <timeless> % ssh -p 6033 dh
Jul 30 10:14:46 <timeless> [sanjay]$
Jul 30 10:15:00 <timeless> % rsync -avrh -e 'ssh -p 6033' sardine-20070531 dh:mxr-root/
Jul 30 10:15:21 <timeless> Add correct host key in /export/home/timeless/.ssh/known_hosts to get rid of this message.
Jul 30 10:15:28 <timeless> what am i doing wrong w/ my rsync? :(
Jul 30 10:15:46 <Cegy> hi can someone can someone tell me if OS2007HE for the 770 is easy to install on a windows pc ?
Jul 30 10:15:59 <timeless> cegy: flashing is flashing
Jul 30 10:16:10 <Cegy> so its simple then?
Jul 30 10:16:15 <timeless> the flasher app doesn't really understand or care what it's flashing
Jul 30 10:16:26 <timeless> as simple as flashing w/ anything else
Jul 30 10:17:04 <Cegy> oh ok do u know where i can get the lastest os2007 for the 770 from?
Jul 30 10:17:21 <timeless> dunno :)
Jul 30 10:18:08 <Cegy> oh ok but do u know if i update it to 2007 would i be able to downgrade it back down to 2006 if i want?
Jul 30 10:18:55 <timeless> flashing is flashing
Jul 30 10:18:59 <timeless> it's 100% destructive
Jul 30 10:19:11 <timeless> as long as you don't have a brick when you're done, you can flash w/ any other flash image later
Jul 30 10:19:25 <Cegy> oh thats good then
Jul 30 10:19:39 <Cegy> so if i brick it its dead aka no good anymore?
Jul 30 10:19:45 <timeless> yes
Jul 30 10:19:52 <Cegy> ok :)
Jul 30 10:20:27 <Cegy> am trying to find a good web brownser aswell but most of them crash which is crap
Jul 30 10:20:28 <Cegy> :|
Jul 30 10:20:38 <Cegy> any idea's on wat i can use?
Jul 30 10:20:49 <robtaylor> Cegy: webkit
Jul 30 10:21:05 <Cegy> is that easy and simple as am new to it
Jul 30 10:21:55 <Tili> sorry to interrupt but what are u guys talking about installing OS2007 on  PC?
Jul 30 10:22:05 <Tili> u mean tablet PC?
Jul 30 10:22:34 <Cegy> not
Jul 30 10:22:38 <Cegy> it doesn't matter
Jul 30 10:22:41 <timeless> tili: installing /from/
Jul 30 10:22:43 <Cegy> but it was for the 770
Jul 30 10:22:51 <Tili> oh ok
Jul 30 10:23:29 <guardian> morning
Jul 30 10:23:30 <_Monkey> aloha
Jul 30 10:23:53 <guardian> timeless: remember my question about removing debug messages at compile time, well G_DEBUG_DISABLE seems to be gone from glib headers :)
Jul 30 10:23:54 <timeless> nihau
Jul 30 10:24:06 <timeless> niihau
Jul 30 10:24:06 <_Monkey> bonjour, timeless
Jul 30 10:24:28 <timeless> indeed
Jul 30 10:24:49 <timeless> hrm, wait
Jul 30 10:25:01 <timeless> i still have it as of last week in glib/gmessages.h
Jul 30 10:25:29 <guardian> i'm not that up to date in my headers
Jul 30 10:25:40 <guardian> but it's not into my scratchbox nor my ubuntu headers
Jul 30 10:25:43 <timeless> i have weeks from last week going back about a year
Jul 30 10:26:06 <timeless> lemme see if i'm a week out of date
Jul 30 10:26:29 <Cegy> is there any web browser for the 770 that doesn't crash or have any memory buffer problems?
Jul 30 10:26:40 <timeless> cegy: links?
Jul 30 10:26:48 <timeless> maybe telnet?
Jul 30 10:27:02 <Cegy> its shit as i can't use the with the virtual keybroard
Jul 30 10:29:04 <maddler> morning all
Jul 30 10:29:28 <timeless> which doesn't work w/ the vkb?
Jul 30 10:30:41 <Cegy> links2
Jul 30 10:30:41 <_Monkey> i think links2 is a lightweight graphical web browser (non-hildon) http://pupnik.de/links2.html
Jul 30 10:32:34 <Cegy> its crap on how both minimo and the internal web browser is a bug or something because it crash by itseld
Jul 30 10:32:37 <Cegy> itself*
Jul 30 10:34:48 * timeless throws a dozen parsing errors @cegy
Jul 30 10:34:57 <Cegy> eh?
Jul 30 10:34:58 <Cegy> lol
Jul 30 10:35:05 <timeless> use fewer curses, use better English, use a real example, preferably a testcase
Jul 30 10:36:10 <Cegy> well u must be daft if u don't know that theres a bug in both of them due to some memory buffer problem i think it becasue when i use it for like 20-30mins it close it self off for no reason
Jul 30 10:36:11 <Cegy> :|
Jul 30 10:37:29 <timeless> how many windows do you use?
Jul 30 10:37:33 <timeless> 10 or 20?
Jul 30 10:37:34 <_Monkey> 30
Jul 30 10:37:39 <Cegy> nah
Jul 30 10:37:41 <Cegy> only 2 if that
Jul 30 10:37:41 <timeless> um
Jul 30 10:37:49 <Cegy> just say
Jul 30 10:37:54 <timeless> ok, flash enabled?
Jul 30 10:38:16 <Cegy> to make it easyer for u a picture site use a lot of memeory i guess so it might be that but i don't know
Jul 30 10:38:21 <Cegy> yeah it should be
Jul 30 10:38:25 <Okko> i can has longer times
Jul 30 10:38:36 <timeless> have you considered disabling flash and browsing for a whlie?
Jul 30 10:38:36 <Tili> what would be solution for this
Jul 30 10:38:37 <Tili> configure: error: The Motif include file 'Xm/Xm.h' could not be found.
Jul 30 10:38:43 <timeless> s/whlie/while/
Jul 30 10:38:43 <infobot> timeless meant: have you considered disabling flash and browsing for a while?
Jul 30 10:38:53 <Cegy> no y?
Jul 30 10:39:04 <timeless> perhaps you'll find the browser crashes less?
Jul 30 10:39:16 <timeless> tili: i don't think maemo has motify support :)
Jul 30 10:39:35 <Tili> oh sorry, ya it was on DDD
Jul 30 10:39:51 <Tili> i thought i was compiling maemo. retard alert!!!!!!!!
Jul 30 10:39:54 <timeless> i hope you aren't trying to build ddd *in* scratchbox
Jul 30 10:40:02 <Tili> no its not in scratchbox
Jul 30 10:40:44 <timeless> what distro?
Jul 30 10:40:57 <timeless> you'll probably need to get motif/lesstif dev headers or something
Jul 30 10:41:07 <timeless> at which point you might as well ask your distro to get you ddd too
Jul 30 11:05:46 <cosmo> anyone got suggestions what i should try to port to maemo?
Jul 30 11:11:29 <Jaffa> cosmo: A mind/concept-mapping utility or something like EPOC's Jotter (Maemopad+ isn't quite what I want)
Jul 30 11:13:30 <cosmo> i haven't used jotter.. can you name some suitable implementation?
Jul 30 11:13:43 <bergie> port of TomBoy would be cool
Jul 30 11:15:20 <cosmo> i think it looks quite complex. i'd like to first port something more simpler
Jul 30 11:16:05 <cosmo> UAE might be fun
Jul 30 11:39:29 <Jaffa> cosmo: UAE'll be hard to do well, as you'll want/need to do some ARM optimisations etc. Also, different hardware key mappings for different games.
Jul 30 11:55:08 <sbaturzio> Aloha!
Jul 30 11:55:09 <_Monkey> Guten Tag, sbaturzio!
Jul 30 11:55:18 <sbaturzio> _Monkey: Ciao
Jul 30 11:55:19 <_Monkey> sbaturzio: huh?
Jul 30 11:57:27 <rtcm> hi, anyone here has successfully installed and ran scratchbox for  maemo development on F7 ?
Jul 30 11:57:52 <rtcm> there seems to be an issue with a kernel config COMPAT_VDSO
Jul 30 11:58:09 <inz> It should be "fixable" run-time
Jul 30 11:58:13 <rtcm> I tried to rebuild the 2.6.22.1-33 kernel with that option  enabled but it hangs on boot...
Jul 30 11:58:19 <inz> With some maghic /proc or /sys -entry
Jul 30 11:59:01 <rtcm> inz do you happen to know which exctly or have a link?
Jul 30 11:59:35 <inz> rtcm, echo 0 > /proc/sys/kernel/vdso
Jul 30 12:01:22 <rtcm> inz: yhea but the fedora kernel doesn't have that entry..
Jul 30 12:01:29 <inz> ahh
Jul 30 12:43:08 <keesj> Hi
Jul 30 12:43:09 <_Monkey> que tal, keesj
Jul 30 12:43:26 <keesj> singe!
Jul 30 13:24:32 <Gathaja> I tried to setup usb networking and now the device just keeps rebooting. Is there anything else than reflash to do?
Jul 30 14:00:15 <trevarthan> Hey, I just installed the new SIP functionality for the new firmware on my n800. Trying to connect to an asterisk PBX. I can make outgoing calls, but nobody can call me and my n800 isn't registered with the asterisk server. Any ideas?
Jul 30 14:12:34 <Tili> how much space does Maemo take with scratchbox included?
Jul 30 14:12:43 <Tili> it ate 2.2G and now i have nothing left on that partition
Jul 30 14:12:51 <timeless> heh :)
Jul 30 14:20:50 <timeless> timeless@tinderbox:/scratchbox/users/timeless/targets/x86$ du -s -h .
Jul 30 14:20:50 <timeless> 1.1G    .
Jul 30 14:20:59 <timeless> kinda depends what you put in your box, i suppose
Jul 30 14:21:28 <timeless> that's a box running some debian flavor
Jul 30 14:23:11 <Tili> yeah it is debian on vmware
Jul 30 14:24:08 <timeless> i think officially i'm using an "i386-minimaldev-rootstrap"
Jul 30 14:24:15 <timeless> i don't know if such an animal officially exists
Jul 30 14:24:21 <timeless> in which case, i might be cheating
Jul 30 14:24:52 <inz> timeless, it's a shame it doesn't
Jul 30 14:25:24 <inz> timeless, and, indeed, you are cheating ;)
Jul 30 14:28:02 <timeless> whoops :)
Jul 30 14:28:16 <trevarthan> When I try to connect to my asterisk server using my n800, I get a registration error: http://www.pastebin.ca/639317
Jul 30 14:28:22 <trevarthan> any ideas on that anyone?
Jul 30 14:29:15 <N800> Subscription Does Not Exist
Jul 30 14:29:26 <timeless> are you using the osso sip stuff?
Jul 30 14:29:32 <trevarthan> yeah
Jul 30 14:29:38 <timeless> they had issues w/ it and wondered why skype "just worked" :)
Jul 30 14:29:39 <inz> my /scratchbox takes 15 G
Jul 30 14:29:59 <timeless> they're certainly fairly concerned about it :)
Jul 30 14:30:08 <trevarthan> skype isn't interesting to me. I need SIP.
Jul 30 14:30:15 <X-Fade_> timeless: Skype, by no means, just works..
Jul 30 14:30:34 <timeless> x-fade: *shrug*, dtmf or whatever seems to work in skype
Jul 30 14:30:47 <timeless> and atm, i'm having enough trouble making normal calls w/ my normal cell phone
Jul 30 14:30:49 <mgedmin> inz: if you do 'du /scratchbox' you get the size counted twice, because it's bind-mounted inside itself
Jul 30 14:30:58 <timeless> my parents get an echo of themselves w/o hearing me at all
Jul 30 14:31:06 <timeless> imagine trying that a few times
Jul 30 14:31:19 <X-Fade_> timeless: I got the program in a logon -> crash loop on the first time I logged in. Others seem to have that too.
Jul 30 14:31:21 <timeless> (that's a normal phone, not skype/n800/googletalk/gizmo/...)
Jul 30 14:31:29 <timeless> x-fade: nice
Jul 30 14:31:47 <X-Fade_> timeless: And some calls get disconnected at the same call length..
Jul 30 14:31:58 <N800> I have 2 sip accounts setup..
Jul 30 14:32:02 <N800> both work
Jul 30 14:32:09 <N800> incoming outgoing
Jul 30 14:32:30 <N800> open the port trevarthan, if you are behind a router
Jul 30 14:33:56 <trevarthan> N800: which port? We're using SIP phone with this wifi network already to the same machine, so everything should be open.
Jul 30 14:34:25 <trevarthan> N800: your accounts are to an asterisk machine?
Jul 30 14:34:42 <N800> no
Jul 30 14:34:46 <trevarthan> :)
Jul 30 14:34:56 <trevarthan> what are they connecting to?
Jul 30 14:35:19 <N800> don't really know.
Jul 30 14:35:37 <N800> freedigits & freecalls.
Jul 30 14:35:48 <N800> 1 allows me to recieve calls for free
Jul 30 14:35:55 <N800> and the other to make them
Jul 30 14:36:06 <N800> well both allow to make call for free
Jul 30 14:36:13 <timeless> http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/sardine-20070531/source/
Jul 30 14:36:19 <inz> mgedmin, and with three users, make that 4, so just over 2 gigs is more accurate
Jul 30 14:36:21 <timeless> in case people want an old reference of sardine
Jul 30 14:36:34 <inz> mgedmin, s/over/under/
Jul 30 14:36:41 <Spakman> hello - does anyone here know anything about the Ruby-Maemo binding? Can I create home desktop widgets with it?
Jul 30 14:37:10 <inz> Spakman, I would guess not -- at least not until chinook
Jul 30 14:37:22 <Spakman> thanks inz
Jul 30 14:37:33 <Spakman> why is that?
Jul 30 14:39:48 <inz> Spakman, chinook will use the hildon-desktop, which will make it techincally possible
Jul 30 14:40:19 <inz> Spakman, with maemo-af-desktop, I think it would require some major hacks
Jul 30 14:40:44 <Spakman> OK, thanks for the clarification inz
Jul 30 14:55:06 <trevarthan> N800: they're helping me on #telepathy. :) yay for open source and IRC.
Jul 30 14:55:13 <Jaffa> inz: with maemo-af-desktop you could use Gtk's embedding thing (i.e. as used in desktop panels etc.) to have a panel contain something controlled by another process; then a lightweight C veneer.
Jul 30 14:57:53 <inz> Jaffa, that is what I meant by "major hacks" ;)
Jul 30 14:58:20 <inz> Jaffa, the worst thing is, that if using GtkPlug/Socket, the key events go straight to the applet if it has focus, the desktop cannot see them anymore
Jul 30 15:03:49 <Toma-> is there a way to ditch hildon?
Jul 30 15:04:55 <Jaffa> inz: :)
Jul 30 15:06:15 <Jaffa> Toma-: yes, people have KDE running, or WindowMaker etc.
Jul 30 15:06:32 <Toma-> im gonna get e17 running
Jul 30 15:06:33 <Toma-> :>
Jul 30 15:06:45 <Toma-> ill get to hackin then
Jul 30 15:10:47 <N800> trevarthan, the theme, having issues....the ok and cancel option....how do i change the color for those 2 options?
Jul 30 15:11:28 <N800> trevarthan, nvm
Jul 30 15:11:54 <N800> the transparency changes i did 2 the backgound of the whole theme fixed that
Jul 30 15:15:00 <trevarthan> N800: be careful with transparency. Make sure you aren't using an alpha channel. We're strictly using colorkeys for speed.
Jul 30 15:15:16 <trevarthan> (and memory consumption for that matter)
Jul 30 15:19:58 <N800> i not using transparency...i was having issues with the pink background..
Jul 30 15:20:08 <N800> in the png file..
Jul 30 15:20:19 <N800> pieces of the pink would get picked up.
Jul 30 15:20:47 <N800> so i ended up getting rid of the pink color.
Jul 30 15:23:31 <whaq_> pink n800??
Jul 30 15:23:34 <N800> getting rid of the play pause next and previous...have to come up with some icon ideas...I'm about to head downtown, hopefully i can come up with some ideas..
Jul 30 15:25:37 <trevarthan> N800: stop using antialiasing if you don't want pink to show up.
Jul 30 15:26:03 <N800> i figured out what to do already..
Jul 30 15:26:12 <trevarthan> l
Jul 30 15:26:13 <trevarthan> k
Jul 30 15:26:26 <N800> all i have to dl now is chchange your icons..
Jul 30 15:26:27 <N800> lol
Jul 30 15:26:38 <trevarthan> :)
Jul 30 15:26:50 <trevarthan> N800: are you unique311?
Jul 30 15:26:54 <N800> actually the back and exit, minor changes
Jul 30 15:26:55 <N800> yes
Jul 30 15:26:58 <trevarthan> k.
Jul 30 15:27:09 <N800> now as for the play pause ,etc
Jul 30 15:27:47 <N800> unknown icon also..
Jul 30 15:27:51 <N800> give that a facelift
Jul 30 15:37:43 <trevarthan> :) n800 SIP <-> asterisk  doesn't work too well yet. They're looking at it. Works until the second registration, then stops.
Jul 30 15:38:20 <N800> get a free number from freedigits till then..
Jul 30 15:39:56 <disq> hey all
Jul 30 15:40:02 <trevarthan> howdy disq.
Jul 30 15:40:35 <disq> trevarthan: #telepathy? btw got reply for osso.playback.manager in maemo-devel, happy
Jul 30 15:42:08 <trevarthan> yeah. #telepathy. rtcomm SIP doesn't play nice with asterisk. we're debugging. I'm the guine pig.
Jul 30 15:42:36 <disq> ah. the new firmware. right :)
Jul 30 15:44:01 <Toma-> http://members.iinet.net.au/~haste/e17maemo.gif <---just a mockup of what it can do :)
Jul 30 15:50:12 <trevarthan> Here's the SIP <-> asterisk bug report: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1763727&group_id=143636&atid=756076
Jul 30 15:51:48 <disq> i'm reading about last.fm in wikipedia, as a long morning reading :P
Jul 30 15:51:54 <pupnik> Toma want image
Jul 30 15:52:00 <pupnik> moonin
Jul 30 15:52:07 <Toma-> :P
Jul 30 15:52:21 <pupnik> nice lookin
Jul 30 15:52:47 <NeoStrider> disq..where is nothing to read about
Jul 30 15:52:53 <NeoStrider> just listen to it!
Jul 30 15:52:56 <NeoStrider> it rocks!
Jul 30 15:52:56 <Toma-> thanks. just a matter of getting onboard the on screen keyboard to bind to a HW button
Jul 30 15:53:53 <pupnik> which button did you choose?
Jul 30 15:54:13 <Toma-> i havent built it yet :(
Jul 30 15:54:31 <Toma-> need to port it over, but it works
Jul 30 15:54:37 <Toma-> the layout at least
Jul 30 15:54:52 <Toma-> so the theory is all there, just a matter of making it happen :)
Jul 30 15:55:52 <pupnik> the widget/icon design on enlightenment is nice imo
Jul 30 15:57:09 <Toma-> indeedy
Jul 30 15:57:31 <Toma-> it can all be run quite easily on single clicks aswell
Jul 30 15:57:45 <Toma-> favorites menu pops up on desktop click for instance
Jul 30 16:03:52 <pupnik> the early maemo-developers list is interesting reading
Jul 30 16:05:30 <pupnik> idnt.org was right there from the beginning.  first game mentioned was... xbill :P
Jul 30 16:06:23 <disq> heh
Jul 30 16:06:39 <pupnik> may 2005
Jul 30 16:08:02 <disq> back then the IT2005 was butt ugly slow
Jul 30 16:08:34 <disq> and the apps were installed in /var/lib/install
Jul 30 16:08:40 <pupnik> when did you start with maemo?
Jul 30 16:08:50 <disq> early 2006 i think
Jul 30 16:08:57 <pupnik> nice
Jul 30 16:09:46 <disq> my friend showed me his 770 (and he was just using it for ebooks) and i was hooked (well. an xterm is enough to get me hooked)
Jul 30 16:13:51 <pupnik> lol 'crazy parking' built June 2005
Jul 30 16:14:08 <Jaffa> pupnik: some of us read it at the time :)
Jul 30 16:14:55 <pupnik> hahaha first emulator mentioned June 2005
Jul 30 16:16:22 <AD-N770> pupnik, my first release of nethack port was february, 12, 2006
Jul 30 16:16:50 <pupnik> it is an honor to chat with the elders! :)
Jul 30 16:17:28 <timeless> hello world
Jul 30 16:17:33 <AD-N770> and I bought the 770 just for read ebooks too :)
Jul 30 16:17:43 <timeless> is it possible to talk to a GPS device using TCP/IP instead of Bluetooth?
Jul 30 16:18:28 <disq> if you have a gps device that talks tcp/ip, then sure. you'd need to wrap around or patch or generate signals for gpsd tho
Jul 30 16:18:41 <AD-N770> and it's the main use for my n800 now
Jul 30 16:18:50 <timeless> are there such devices?
Jul 30 16:19:00 <disq> ah. no, there aren't. :P
Jul 30 16:20:07 <disq> it wouldn't be useful anyway, if you establish a adhoc connection then you'd have to establish regular net connectivity via bt or usbnet since you can't use the wifi for two things (do adhoc connections work p2mp?)
Jul 30 16:20:42 <disq> how are the browser affairs going? :)
Jul 30 16:21:30 <timeless> i've written blog entry #2
Jul 30 16:21:37 <timeless> i'm trying to figure out how to write blog entry #1
Jul 30 16:21:55 <timeless> which is a bit of a problem, how does one write about a cat that's already out of the bag while pretending to annoucne it?
Jul 30 16:22:06 <timeless> actually, i'm also reading a thesis someone wrote
Jul 30 16:22:30 <timeless> it's good to see not many additional complaints
Jul 30 16:22:35 <timeless> are people using it?
Jul 30 16:22:45 * timeless was supposed to ask for download stats
Jul 30 16:23:01 <pupnik> heh first mention of maemo on OMAP2420 was June 2005 by Komal Shah
Jul 30 16:23:05 <pupnik> ?
Jul 30 16:23:46 <timeless> ?
Jul 30 16:23:59 <pupnik> people using what?
Jul 30 16:24:15 * pupnik puts on curious hat
Jul 30 16:24:19 <timeless> microb
Jul 30 16:25:22 <disq> i'm not using it much, didn't yet get around to solving the oh my fonts are all in times new roman issue
Jul 30 16:25:37 <timeless> hrm
Jul 30 16:25:44 <disq> but if a site bugs me, doesn't work, etc. instead of launching minimo i try microb and it usually works
Jul 30 16:25:44 <timeless> at one point we had hard coded all fonts to a single face
Jul 30 16:25:48 <timeless> i wonder if we fixed that
Jul 30 16:25:53 <timeless> heh
Jul 30 16:26:00 <pupnik> is it available for 770/it2006?
Jul 30 16:26:17 <timeless> well, good to see we're at least squeezing competition out of the market :)
Jul 30 16:26:30 <timeless> pupnik: it's open source, someone could try to rebuild it
Jul 30 16:26:41 <timeless> we've talked about it and haven't quite figured out the rules
Jul 30 16:27:00 <timeless> atm you need 2007se4
Jul 30 16:27:22 <timeless> (or you can use instructions on webwizardry.net/~timeless/n800 to use 2007se3)
Jul 30 16:27:26 <disq> the rules?
Jul 30 16:27:30 <pupnik> ok i am sure someone will do it
Jul 30 16:27:32 <timeless> hrm, did i say that aloud?
Jul 30 16:27:54 <timeless> ok, well, i use it on se3 :)
Jul 30 16:28:07 <pupnik>  http://browser.garage.maemo.org/docs/build_howto.html  looks easy :P
Jul 30 16:28:15 <timeless> it isn't :)
Jul 30 16:28:43 <timeless> getting quilt, bc, and something else are actually painful
Jul 30 16:28:56 <pupnik> i need quilt :/
Jul 30 16:29:09 <timeless> hrm
Jul 30 16:29:10 <pupnik> where can i get these deps for my scratchbox pls
Jul 30 16:29:23 <timeless> add a debian repo :)
Jul 30 16:29:31 <pupnik> it is horrible
Jul 30 16:29:32 <timeless> db48x might have sent me instructions
Jul 30 16:30:00 <pupnik> it is like the fracral branches of a tree that you have to walk to build
Jul 30 16:43:20 <Vertoo> lol, pupnik, i have been playing with the host file for like 20 min. i did vi -h but its limited, and there is no man command on my terminal ? how should i go about editing it?
Jul 30 16:48:08 <Mikho> Hello, does anybody know how to find out what my display adapter is in ubuntu?
Jul 30 16:48:21 <Mikho> from the console, as x can't start yet
Jul 30 16:48:47 <Mikho> Tried to look inside the machine but the display adapter has absolutely no labels anywhere
Jul 30 16:52:41 <koen> MikaT: lspci should give a model number
Jul 30 16:53:42 <Mikho> thanks
Jul 30 17:05:49 <pupnik> two years later and nobody has matched nokia for the 770 (and n800)
Jul 30 17:05:57 <pupnik> \o/
Jul 30 17:07:21 <trevarthan> hmmmm.... I guess DTMF doesn't work with rtcomm SIP either?
Jul 30 17:07:57 <||cw> pupnik: it's seen as a niche market.  competitors are either making msart phones or UMPC's, the nokia's fall in the middle somewhere
Jul 30 17:10:59 <pupnik> we need to convince more people they need a nokia tablet
Jul 30 17:11:07 <pupnik> 'need' of course :)
Jul 30 17:14:20 <AD-N770> see u tomorrow
Jul 30 17:15:07 <celesteh> give them away free ;)
Jul 30 17:21:01 <Vertoo> hey pupnik; im hopeless lol. i cant figure out how to edit the host file at all lol. i did vi -h but its barely any help and tjere is no man command on here?
Jul 30 17:21:18 <||cw> Vertoo: what's -h do
Jul 30 17:21:35 <||cw> vi /etc/hosts and go at it
Jul 30 17:22:50 <pupnik> adding sites to block by hand would be a lot of work
Jul 30 17:23:50 <Vertoo> -h is help. i cant figure out the vi editor. it wont let my edit the file
Jul 30 17:25:24 <pupnik> vi takes a while to learn
Jul 30 17:25:41 <pupnik> http://www.google.com/search?q=%22127.0.0.1+ads.doubleclick.net%22
Jul 30 17:25:44 <||cw> press i, type, ESC 2 times, :wq
Jul 30 17:25:45 <pupnik> there's some lists
Jul 30 17:25:51 <J_P> hi all
Jul 30 17:26:26 <J_P> anyone know if Kiwi are working (tested) on maemo 2007 ?
Jul 30 17:27:02 <whaq_> Is Kiwi a wiki variant?
Jul 30 17:29:38 <J_P> whaq_: not is this : http://www.async.com.br/projects/kiwi/
Jul 30 17:30:11 <Vertoo> but vi wont let me edit the hosts file. it opens a read only version
Jul 30 17:31:22 <pupnik> insanity -- a snes emu (w/o) sound was ported to GBA with a 32-bit 16.7mhz ARM cpu.
Jul 30 17:32:12 <whaq_> cool, that's useful
Jul 30 17:36:18 <||cw> Vertoo: did you gainroot yet?
Jul 30 17:43:57 <disq> huh. eth0 is found and registered at boot time but then after logging in there's no eth0
Jul 30 17:43:59 <disq> any ideas?
Jul 30 17:44:04 <disq> (not the n800, no)
Jul 30 17:47:04 <Sulis> disq: on what is that?
Jul 30 17:47:27 <disq> debian, vmware
Jul 30 17:47:33 <disq> debian/testing (lenny now i think)
Jul 30 17:48:35 <trevarthan> Anyone know if python's "twisted" framework is available for maemo?
Jul 30 17:48:40 <Sulis> and ifconfig -a shows nothing?
Jul 30 17:48:52 <Sulis> except lo, i assume
Jul 30 17:49:11 <dev> trevarthan: it is
Jul 30 17:49:31 <disq> it was registered as eth2. silly me, didn't think of ifconfig -a
Jul 30 17:50:05 <Sulis> hehe
Jul 30 17:50:08 <trevarthan> dev: got a link?
Jul 30 17:51:47 <dev> trevarthan: robtaylor has the debs here http://packages.codethink.co.uk
Jul 30 17:52:11 <trevarthan> k. thanks.
Jul 30 17:54:49 <trevarthan> disq: I just noticed that I see loading triangles when I launch kagu. When did you fix that? Or is that just my new firmware?
Jul 30 17:55:16 <disq> loading triangles?
Jul 30 17:55:35 <disq> let me launch
Jul 30 17:55:37 <trevarthan> yup. when an app loads, you see the triangles, you know?
Jul 30 17:55:51 <disq> ah, yeah. i fixed that a hundred revs ago :)
Jul 30 17:56:21 <trevarthan> hmmm... maybe you only fixed it for the new firmware. It still wasn't working yesterday.
Jul 30 17:56:23 <disq> did you have kagu.deb installed on the older firmware?
Jul 30 17:56:28 <trevarthan> yeah
Jul 30 17:56:38 <disq> mm. the old firmware was broken then
Jul 30 17:56:38 <trevarthan> I kept updating it every day or two
Jul 30 18:00:38 <disq> the triangles also work in my 770
Jul 30 18:02:01 <whaq_> Has anyone had damaged SD problem with 770/n800?
Jul 30 18:05:13 <pupnik> no but my camera has read errors after dropping it
Jul 30 18:07:05 <whaq_> dropping it... in the N800?
Jul 30 18:07:55 <pupnik> do you have the same problem with a different sd card?
Jul 30 18:11:39 <whaq_> No, I'm still waiting for a pair of N800 to be shipped my way..
Jul 30 18:14:40 <pupnik> i'm still waiting for 1920x1080 stereo VR glasses with 90-degree field-of-view
Jul 30 18:15:00 <roope> Like that one guy in Stak Trek TNG.
Jul 30 18:15:44 <zeenix> roope: you la'forge?
Jul 30 18:15:49 <zeenix> s/you/you mean/
Jul 30 18:15:49 <infobot> zeenix meant: roope: you mean la'forge?
Jul 30 18:16:21 <roope> Yeah.
Jul 30 18:17:28 <roope> http://www.llia.co.uk/images/blogimg/Geordi.jpg  that's the future i want to be living in.
Jul 30 18:18:06 <zeenix> i wonder how did they control the ships, especially in a battle with only that two dimentional screen
Jul 30 18:18:26 <roope> pressure for Z-axis.
Jul 30 18:18:43 <pupnik> http://www.3dvisor.com/products.php  this has 800x600, which is pretty decent
Jul 30 18:19:52 <roope> i tried one of those once. it gives motion sickness, because of the delay.
Jul 30 18:19:55 <pupnik> 1 kilodollar though
Jul 30 18:20:10 <pupnik> the last one i tried was in 1990 :)
Jul 30 18:20:23 <roope> But you can use it for a while before it kicks in.
Jul 30 18:20:29 <pupnik> which did you try?
Jul 30 18:20:33 <kulve> MoRpHeUz: btw. I upgrade to svn trunk and got the gms live streaming to work too. With mencoder. It's very slow to start up, so I think mplayer (or mainly other players) may give up before the stream actually starts
Jul 30 18:20:46 <kulve> MoRpHeUz: what's gmencoder?
Jul 30 18:21:03 <roope> Nokia had one for testing. Don't remember the brand name.
Jul 30 18:21:16 <roope> it wasn't really good, frankly.
Jul 30 18:21:42 <MoRpHeUz> kulve: to avoid this "timeout" problem while using mencoder, just use mplayer with the "-nocache" option and it'll work =)
Jul 30 18:21:58 <kulve> yeah, I noticed.
Jul 30 18:22:03 <MoRpHeUz> kulve: gmencoder is a gstreamer encoder coded by renato_filho
Jul 30 18:22:15 <kulve> hmm..
Jul 30 18:22:19 <MoRpHeUz> it just uses gstreamer to encode stuff
Jul 30 18:22:23 <MoRpHeUz> it's like a wrapper
Jul 30 18:22:31 <kulve> I would like to try ogg/theora/vorbis stream, but mencoder doesn't do ogg..
Jul 30 18:22:46 <MoRpHeUz> kulve: if you want to implement another plugin... =P
Jul 30 18:23:11 <kulve> wouldn't gmencoder be able to encode to anything gstreamer supports..?
Jul 30 18:25:01 <zeenix> kulve: mencoder uses gst?
Jul 30 18:25:21 <kulve> zeenix: afaik, no, it doesn't..
Jul 30 18:25:39 <kulve> but I understood gmencoder does use it..
Jul 30 18:25:56 <zeenix> "Gmencoder is a gnome-2 front-end to mplayer/mencoder."
Jul 30 18:26:00 <kulve> oh
Jul 30 18:26:12 <milhouse> itt forums down?
Jul 30 18:26:28 <kulve> zeenix: what about the MoRpHeUz's comment "gmencoder is a gstreamer encoder coded by renato_filho"
Jul 30 18:26:42 <pupnik> not refreshing here
Jul 30 18:26:43 <kulve> I think there are two gmencoders..?
Jul 30 18:26:53 <zeenix> kulve: seems so :(
Jul 30 18:26:55 <milhouse> pupnik - thanks, bummer... just in the middle of a reply
Jul 30 18:27:22 <MoRpHeUz> zeenix: hhmm
Jul 30 18:27:34 <MoRpHeUz> the gmencoder provided by the gmyth package only uses gstreamer
Jul 30 18:28:05 <zeenix> MoRpHeUz: google finds: gmencoder.sourceforge.net/
Jul 30 18:28:35 <zeenix> and it's been there since 2003 :)
Jul 30 18:28:37 <MoRpHeUz> zeenix: definitely it's not the one that I'm talking about =P hehe...
Jul 30 18:28:39 <zeenix> at least
Jul 30 18:28:58 <MoRpHeUz> bad internal name...our fault..
Jul 30 18:29:08 <zeenix> but i wonder why people can't do a simple google search before they name their projects
Jul 30 18:31:14 <trevarthan> zeenix: devs typically aren't PR people.
Jul 30 18:33:22 <zeenix> trevarthan: ? google search is used more by devs than PR people, afaik
Jul 30 18:33:42 <trevarthan> zeenix: you're arguing for the sake of arguing at this point.
Jul 30 18:35:04 <zeenix> trevarthan: nope! i wasn't talking to you so you shouldn't talk to me either if you think so
Jul 30 18:35:13 <trevarthan> :)
Jul 30 18:35:20 <MoRpHeUz> =/
Jul 30 18:46:17 <admgecko> evening everyone
Jul 30 18:46:50 <kulve> MoRpHeUz: hmm.. But I wonder why the gmencoder doesn't find any audio elements.. gst-inspect finds them from my prefix after I set GST_PLUGIN_PATH accordingly..
Jul 30 18:47:45 <admgecko> im after a little advice, ive just bought a nokia 770 with a 1gb rs-mmc card from expansys, and it should come this week
Jul 30 18:48:49 <admgecko> but i am wondering, what are they must have apps, and can i store them on my 1gb memory card? can i format is as jffs2? can i mount it and install apps onto it? im really thinking ssh on this thing could be awsome
Jul 30 18:48:50 <pupnik> congrats!
Jul 30 18:49:08 <pupnik> yes, no, yes, no
Jul 30 18:49:13 <mgedmin> admgecko: "must have" apps depend on each person, I guess
Jul 30 18:49:18 <MoRpHeUz> renatofilho_: can you help kulve with this ? gmencoder is not working correctly on his machine....
Jul 30 18:49:21 <mgedmin> FBReader is a must-have app for me
Jul 30 18:49:29 <mgedmin> as well as panelclock and load-applet
Jul 30 18:49:38 <mgedmin> Maemo Mapper is quite popular
Jul 30 18:49:41 <mgedmin> Canola is pretty
Jul 30 18:49:54 <mgedmin> no, you can't store apps on the memory card
Jul 30 18:49:59 <pupnik> if you like linux you will be happy
Jul 30 18:50:01 <mgedmin> no, you can't format the memory card as jffs2
Jul 30 18:50:09 <MoRpHeUz> renatofilho_: ?
Jul 30 18:50:14 <mgedmin> you don't need to mount it by hand, it's mounted automatically
Jul 30 18:50:20 <mgedmin> again, no, you can't install apps onto it
Jul 30 18:50:22 <kulve> renatofilho_: compiled with /usr/local/something -prefix
Jul 30 18:50:36 <admgecko> :D im thinking about using it for ssh into my servers (so ssh, bash, grep, less etc), vnc, rdesktop, mplayer, gaim?
Jul 30 18:50:37 <mgedmin> you can get ssh installed on the 770 after some trouble
Jul 30 18:50:48 <mgedmin> you can also use it as an ssh client
Jul 30 18:51:02 <kulve> renatofilho_: I don't actually have now much time to debug this, but I'll bug you some other time with this.. :)
Jul 30 18:51:13 <admgecko> im hoping it can replace the little compaq n400c i use for surfing and messaging an ssh when im watching tv
Jul 30 18:51:30 <pupnik> admgecko: ssh and vnc and rdesktop and some vpns work
Jul 30 18:51:44 <mgedmin> I suggest you look at the application catalog on maemo.org (filter for IT OS 2006)
Jul 30 18:51:45 <pupnik> admgecko: but get a bluetooth keyboard
Jul 30 18:51:46 <||cw> and gaim/pidgeon
Jul 30 18:52:17 <admgecko> so, what can i store on the rs-mmc cards, if i can store apps, can i boot off it?
Jul 30 18:52:18 <mgedmin> the 770/N800 is a pocketable laptop replacement, but it's not a very convenient laptop replacement
Jul 30 18:52:23 <MoRpHeUz> kulve: I'll try to ping him..
Jul 30 18:52:33 <mgedmin> actually, you can install an alternative os into the mmc card and boot of it
Jul 30 18:52:43 <mgedmin> normal people keep music, books, videos, maps on the card
Jul 30 18:52:46 <kulve> MoRpHeUz: I'll get back to it some other day..
Jul 30 18:52:56 <MoRpHeUz> kulve: thanks for the tests! =)
Jul 30 18:52:57 <admgecko> and use the full 1gb for apps and stuff?
Jul 30 18:52:58 <kulve> I can try debugging it a bit myself first..
Jul 30 18:53:04 <kulve> MoRpHeUz: no problem :)
Jul 30 18:53:32 <pupnik> admgecko: you will be surprised how little space you need on the root fs
Jul 30 18:53:49 <mgedmin> apps are small
Jul 30 18:54:06 <zyxulnag1> ssh is fairly easy to install on the 770, just apt-get install ssh
Jul 30 18:54:14 <admgecko> cool, can it talk to my upnp mp3 server?
Jul 30 18:54:28 <mgedmin> zyxulnag1: but you need root for that, which is not
Jul 30 18:54:34 <mgedmin> very easy to get
Jul 30 18:54:45 <mgedmin> (sorry for the line break in the middle)
Jul 30 18:54:48 <zyxulnag1> well yeah easy is relative I guess
Jul 30 18:54:52 <admgecko> it seems it can, i was looking on www.internettablettalk.com, but the site has stoped working for me (my isp are crap)
Jul 30 19:00:50 <unique311> disq i'm missing my shuffle and normal icons...where they implimented in this release?
Jul 30 19:01:03 <unique311> notice the sprite png has them..
Jul 30 19:03:23 <disq> they're not implemented :/
Jul 30 19:05:49 * pupnik cases 'Summon OpenGL Drivers'
Jul 30 19:05:51 <pupnik> casts
Jul 30 19:10:32 <||cw> good luck with that
Jul 30 19:14:35 <unique311> pupnik, hows the psx coming
Jul 30 19:15:10 <unique311> disq, still working on the theme...1 problem
Jul 30 19:15:45 <disq> trev knows the theme business :)
Jul 30 19:16:03 <pupnik> need a simpler bin/iso loader
Jul 30 19:16:06 <unique311> i'm trying to make the "text big sel" rounded...
Jul 30 19:16:58 <unique311> but when i try out the them..there's a round is there, but then if you really look you see the square edges in white
Jul 30 19:18:48 <unique311> looking at the code..theirs not way to call the create tables and make them round.
Jul 30 19:18:57 <unique311> ??
Jul 30 19:31:31 <trevarthan> unique311: you need transparency to do rounded corners.
Jul 30 19:32:01 <trevarthan> The colorkey (i.e. transparency pixel/color) comes from the bottom right most pixel in sprites.png.
Jul 30 19:32:43 <admgecko> i got cut off :( stupid laptop battery
Jul 30 19:32:50 <trevarthan> If you can't get it working, send us an email with your diff for the bounding rectangles and your sprites.png and we'll see if we can fix it.
Jul 30 19:33:17 <unique311> k
Jul 30 19:33:37 <unique311> i have a descent theme.  just got home..
Jul 30 19:33:50 <unique311> let me make minor changes...
Jul 30 19:33:55 <trevarthan> yeah, I'm still at work, slaving away..
Jul 30 19:34:55 <admgecko> what is red-pill mode? r+d mode?
Jul 30 19:36:00 <pupnik> ye
Jul 30 19:36:17 <pupnik> becomeroot?
Jul 30 19:36:17 <_Monkey> i heard becomeroot was For 770 ITOS2006, install dropbear or openssh, then ssh to root on the device, then in a shell: echo 'deb http://eko.one.pl/maemo mistral user' >> /var/cache/apt/sources.list && apt-get update && apt-get install becomeroot , then in xterm type "sudo gainroot"
Jul 30 19:36:43 <pupnik> hmm that should really link to the wiki
Jul 30 19:40:20 <admgecko> im just wondering....is the n800 that much better than the 770, its like 150 quid more expensive?
Jul 30 19:41:05 <admgecko> or is that just cos its newer
Jul 30 19:41:06 <admgecko> ?
Jul 30 19:41:19 <pupnik> 770 is being sold at close-out prices, it's a steal
Jul 30 19:43:07 <admgecko> yeah, i just bought one at expansys, 70 quid, bargin, but im just wondering, whats the diffrence, and is that n800 worth the extra?
Jul 30 19:43:22 <garrett> I saw some random dude on the subway this morning with a 770
Jul 30 19:43:35 <garrett> I guess he was using fbreader, as he was reading it sideways
Jul 30 19:43:52 <garrett> it was pretty cool to see it out in the wild again (I see people with the 770 and n800 from time to time around here)
Jul 30 19:43:53 <pupnik> can't answer that admgecko
Jul 30 19:44:04 <pupnik> where is that garrett ?
Jul 30 19:44:12 <admgecko> ive been reading reviews + faqs about it all day (when i should be working) im a sucker for a new toy :D
Jul 30 19:45:05 <pupnik> yeah i've been obsessing about the 770 for 8 months now
Jul 30 19:45:07 <garrett> pupnik: in the Boston area
Jul 30 19:45:22 <garrett> but there are a higher number of geeks around here than most of the US
Jul 30 19:45:28 <garrett> so it makes sense
Jul 30 19:45:28 <garrett> (:
Jul 30 19:47:41 <admgecko> i had a zarus a while back, was great, but my dad borrowed it when his ipaq broke and i havent seen it since
Jul 30 19:47:42 <disq> _Monkey: redpill mode is at http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationManagerRedPillMode
Jul 30 19:47:42 <_Monkey> OK, disq.
Jul 30 19:47:49 <disq> _Monkey: redpill mode?
Jul 30 19:47:50 <_Monkey> redpill mode is at http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationManagerRedPillMode
Jul 30 19:49:53 <admgecko> i cant wait till i get mine, im thinking im / web infront of the tv (pretty lazy, my tv has Windows Media Centre on it :-p)
Jul 30 19:51:03 <pupnik> i keep away from the sites with evil nasty javascript
Jul 30 19:51:57 <pupnik> also walking around with kismet talking to your earphone with flite is great for finding open wifi spots
Jul 30 19:52:30 <admgecko> it runs kismet?
Jul 30 19:52:38 <admgecko> how cool is that :D
Jul 30 19:54:08 <pupnik> you can check out my ports page while you're surfing http://pupnik.de/software.html
Jul 30 19:58:02 <admgecko> what about sat nav? i have an old blue reciver kicking about
Jul 30 19:58:05 <admgecko> can i use that?
Jul 30 19:59:46 <pupnik> maemomapper?
Jul 30 19:59:59 <pupnik> don't use that
Jul 30 20:00:05 <pupnik> *i don't
Jul 30 20:00:24 <admgecko> ok, ill grab + install it when my 770 arrives
Jul 30 20:01:09 <admgecko> i can run xterm on it, can i run bash, grep, more, nano, all of the basic stuff im used to (im a debian / slackware / mac os x man :D)
Jul 30 20:01:48 <pupnik> you do admin for work?
Jul 30 20:01:54 <admgecko> yeah
Jul 30 20:02:07 <trevarthan> That new mozilla based browser is hecka better than opera.
Jul 30 20:02:13 <admgecko> im a server admin at a utility company
Jul 30 20:02:31 <trevarthan> Just had to install it today because my work's web site kept crashing opera. Mozilla pulled it first try.
Jul 30 20:03:21 <pupnik> how is speed/memory use?
Jul 30 20:14:45 <db48x> timeless: I never sent it, it kept failing to send to your address
Jul 30 20:21:58 <qgil> maddler: ping
Jul 30 20:38:18 <unique311> question....
Jul 30 20:38:36 <unique311> trevarthan, the bluetooth icons..light blue is for?
Jul 30 20:42:15 <trevarthan> unique311: light blue = off, dark blue = on
Jul 30 20:42:30 <unique311> cool
Jul 30 20:42:43 <unique311> k, i found the colorkey
Jul 30 20:43:13 <trevarthan> :) I didn't explain it well enough before?
Jul 30 20:43:25 <unique311> i see 2 pixels.
Jul 30 20:43:40 <trevarthan> 2?
Jul 30 20:43:40 <_Monkey> rumour has it 2 is kernel
Jul 30 20:43:49 <unique311> 1 gray 1 blue
Jul 30 20:43:51 <trevarthan> shut up monkey
Jul 30 20:44:18 <trevarthan> no, the colorkey is the lower right most pixel. It's pink in the original theme.
Jul 30 20:44:27 <trevarthan> colorkey = transparency pixel
Jul 30 20:45:25 <trevarthan> unique311: what line of the code are you looking at, and which file?
Jul 30 20:45:59 <unique311> scanner-kagu.py
Jul 30 20:46:18 <unique311> i did a search for color key...and yeah it is pink.
Jul 30 20:46:39 <trevarthan> where were you getting gray and blue? what line?
Jul 30 20:46:54 <unique311> on the png itself.
Jul 30 20:46:54 <trevarthan> you can see line numbers here: https://www.guardiani.us/projects/kagu/browser/trunk/src/kagu/kagu-scanner.py
Jul 30 20:47:00 <unique311> i'm confused..lol
Jul 30 20:47:04 <trevarthan> :) np.
Jul 30 20:47:32 <unique311> line 255
Jul 30 20:47:36 <unique311> ok...
Jul 30 20:48:03 <unique311> so all ihave to do is change the color key to the background color i'm using.
Jul 30 20:48:32 <unique311> and cheating transparency happens.
Jul 30 20:48:50 <trevarthan> I'm not sure what you mean. The lower right pixel in sprites.png defines the transparency pixel.
Jul 30 20:48:54 <unique311> you sent me the email..
Jul 30 20:49:09 <trevarthan> Change that pixel, and something different will be used for the colorkey.
Jul 30 20:49:10 <_Monkey> trevarthan: that doesn't look right
Jul 30 20:49:16 <trevarthan> shut up monkey!
Jul 30 20:49:26 <unique311> ok i got that part...
Jul 30 20:49:47 <trevarthan> ok.
Jul 30 20:49:55 <trevarthan> so what are you confused about?
Jul 30 20:49:58 <unique311> i got rid of the pink...because i was having issues with it before..
Jul 30 20:50:03 <unique311> now i know a little more..
Jul 30 20:50:26 * pupnik has issues with pink too
Jul 30 20:50:38 <trevarthan> pink is my favorite color. :)
Jul 30 20:51:01 <unique311> so if my lower right pixel is light blue...the color key has to change in the source correct?
Jul 30 20:51:09 <trevarthan> no
Jul 30 20:51:21 <trevarthan> the source should stay the same.
Jul 30 20:51:44 <trevarthan> the colorkey is pulled from the sprites.png and distributed dynamically through the source.
Jul 30 20:51:59 <unique311> ok
Jul 30 20:52:05 <trevarthan> So... if you find a place where it needs to change, you're either doing something wrong, or you've found a bug.
Jul 30 20:52:23 <unique311> so let me check out scanner-kagu.py ion the device...
Jul 30 20:52:35 <unique311> i think it is using the new color which is white...
Jul 30 20:52:46 <unique311> and that is not working with the gradient i'm using.
Jul 30 20:53:12 <trevarthan> yeah, that's why I used pink. You'll never have pink in your theme, unless it's girly.
Jul 30 20:53:13 <unique311> i'll figure it out eventually
Jul 30 20:53:35 <trevarthan> so it makes a perfect color key. you don't want something that will appear in gradients by accident.
Jul 30 20:53:53 <unique311> might revert it back to pink...
Jul 30 20:54:03 <trevarthan> yeah, probably a good idea.
Jul 30 20:55:13 <trevarthan> https://www.guardiani.us/projects/kagu/browser/trunk/src/kagu/theme.py   line 34 is where the colorkey is pulled from sprites.png from the lower right corner, BTW.
Jul 30 20:56:47 <pupnik> trevarthan: that's cool.  i like people who pink different :P
Jul 30 20:57:48 <trevarthan> "Pink is my favorite color": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink_%28song%29
Jul 30 20:58:18 <trevarthan> decidedly, un-gay
Jul 30 20:59:39 <pupnik> they're still touring
Jul 30 20:59:43 <disq> pink is my msn text color
Jul 30 21:01:52 <pupnik> The series of Pan-Mutantean Congresses which he had helped to organize forced him to see a connection between Hate-filled genetic bigotry and Pink imperialism in Asgard. At the same time, communism was representing itself as the foe of both genetic bigotry and imperialism, and for many of the oppressed peoples throughout the world the communist claim had become attractive. To the S.L.A.K. Squad it seemed that Pudluster's new "pink" i
Jul 30 21:02:35 <erstazi> pupnik, heh
Jul 30 21:03:32 <trevarthan> Asgard, eh? city of the gods?
Jul 30 21:03:56 <pupnik> 'pink' has meaning in SubGenius mythology
Jul 30 21:05:00 <trevarthan> hey, off topic, does anyone know of an MIME Email validator web interface I could use? I've got a questionable email I need to double check.
Jul 30 21:05:46 <pupnik> Das topic ist Pink, mein herr!
Jul 30 21:22:01 <pupnik> on itos2006 opera, i rarely can type into the address bar with synergy
Jul 30 21:23:01 <pupnik> it's it2006-49 with keesj's synergy-maemo Version: 1.3.1-1
Jul 30 21:24:25 <pupnik> maemo-gtk-im-switch xim  solved the typing into opera problem
Jul 30 21:59:06 <sbaturzio> Aloha!
Jul 30 21:59:06 <_Monkey> Guten Tag, sbaturzio!
Jul 30 22:09:56 <joshin> Synergy on the 770 is just amusing...  Now I need to hack the stand a bit and track down a news/stock ticker and bigger clock.
Jul 30 22:21:51 <celesteh> hey all
Jul 30 22:21:58 <erstazi> hi celesteh
Jul 30 22:21:58 <pupnik> moo
Jul 30 22:21:59 <celesteh> i'm on OS X and I want to sinatll glimmr
Jul 30 22:22:05 <celesteh> install
Jul 30 22:22:11 <celesteh> and I'm having a hard time building it
Jul 30 22:22:40 <celesteh> mono is supposed to be cross-platform, so theoretically, if i got it built, i could run it on maemo
Jul 30 22:22:58 <celesteh> (glimmr is a mono-based flickr uploader)
Jul 30 22:23:11 <erstazi> ah, I wondered when I did a google search
Jul 30 22:23:28 <celesteh> is there a binary distro of it lurking out there someplace?
Jul 30 22:23:36 <celesteh> would i be happier just trying to write a python script?
Jul 30 22:23:53 <celesteh> is there any way to get scratchbox going on OS X non-intel macs?
Jul 30 22:24:00 <erstazi> celesteh, hmm, has a search on maemo.org came no avail?
Jul 30 22:24:18 <erstazi> I swore there was something for scratchbox for ppc
Jul 30 22:24:23 <erstazi> but I could be wrong
Jul 30 22:24:39 <celesteh> i haven't found anything, but i might be looking in the wrong places
Jul 30 22:24:49 <celesteh> <-- looking at maemo.org now
Jul 30 22:25:19 <celesteh> the deps for building glimmr are very linux-y
Jul 30 22:25:54 <erstazi> what os do you have on your nokia?
Jul 30 22:26:06 <erstazi> also 770 or n800?
Jul 30 22:26:16 <celesteh> n800
Jul 30 22:26:18 <celesteh> latest OS
Jul 30 22:27:12 <erstazi> ok
Jul 30 22:27:16 <erstazi> so IT2007
Jul 30 22:27:31 <celesteh> yeah.
Jul 30 22:27:48 <celesteh> no glimmr on maemo.org
Jul 30 22:27:51 <erstazi> now, to make sure, you need glimmr on your n800
Jul 30 22:27:56 <celesteh> maybe i should just write a script
Jul 30 22:28:23 <celesteh> i'm looking for a flickr uploader and it was the most promising looking
Jul 30 22:28:29 <erstazi> celesteh, one thing to know about, your nokia uses ARM arch, so if its not available, it needs ported
Jul 30 22:28:33 <erstazi> oh ok
Jul 30 22:28:41 <erstazi> there might be another one on maemo
Jul 30 22:28:47 <erstazi> let me do some searching for ya
Jul 30 22:28:48 <celesteh> theoretically, mono is like java
Jul 30 22:29:18 <celesteh> my feature requirements are:  does titles, tags and descriptions.  can deal with only having an intermittent network connection.
Jul 30 22:29:31 <NeoStrider> hello my friends!
Jul 30 22:29:37 <celesteh> hi neo
Jul 30 22:29:47 <erstazi> celesteh, the latter is normal heh
Jul 30 22:29:54 <erstazi> hello NeoStrider
Jul 30 22:30:03 <celesteh> i want something that acts like a mail client . . . with an outbox
Jul 30 22:30:11 <celesteh> or kind of like that
Jul 30 22:30:13 <erstazi> ok
Jul 30 22:30:45 <celesteh> i really like the n800, but i got for flickr and blogger and i'm having troubles with both
Jul 30 22:31:01 <celesteh> at least i can log in to flickr with the opera browser, which is more than i can do with blogger
Jul 30 22:31:08 <erstazi> celesteh, NFlick
Jul 30 22:31:24 <celesteh> thanks!
Jul 30 22:32:29 <erstazi> celesteh, http://www.mdk.org.pl/articles/2006/07/10/nflick-0-2
Jul 30 22:33:25 <erstazi> celesteh, before jumping on it, let me ask some of the veterans of n770/800 a question
Jul 30 22:33:29 <erstazi> or someone
Jul 30 22:33:30 <_Monkey> i heard someone was working on getting something working along those lines, but nokia do not officially support a2dp
Jul 30 22:33:44 <erstazi> _Monkey, forget or someone
Jul 30 22:33:44 <_Monkey> erstazi, I didn't have anything matching or someone
Jul 30 22:33:53 <erstazi> _Monkey, forget someone
Jul 30 22:33:53 <_Monkey> erstazi: I forgot someone
Jul 30 22:34:18 <erstazi> pupnik, can someone install a 770 app on an n800?
Jul 30 22:34:30 <pupnik> yes, usually
Jul 30 22:34:32 <NeoStrider> nflick?
Jul 30 22:35:11 <erstazi> yes
Jul 30 22:35:16 <celesteh> wait, is nflick an uploader?
Jul 30 22:35:17 <NeoStrider> got it
Jul 30 22:35:25 <erstazi> celesteh, not too sure
Jul 30 22:35:25 <NeoStrider> oh no
Jul 30 22:35:32 <NeoStrider> oh yeah..got it
Jul 30 22:35:34 <celesteh> it doesn't mention that in the features
Jul 30 22:35:42 <NeoStrider> its just a browser
Jul 30 22:35:43 <erstazi> NFlick is an application to quickly browse your flickr photos sets. A cafe-like “I want to show you that photo” solution.
Jul 30 22:36:08 <NeoStrider> the "oh no" was becouse I suddenly saw "Flickr Browser"
Jul 30 22:36:13 <celesteh> ah, no, what I need is an uploader
Jul 30 22:36:23 <erstazi> sorry
Jul 30 22:36:31 <celesteh> it's cool
Jul 30 22:36:55 <NeoStrider> the browser doesnt handle it?
Jul 30 22:37:13 <erstazi> NeoStrider, I think celesteh is looking for a mass uploader
Jul 30 22:37:17 <erstazi> but I might be wrong
Jul 30 22:37:34 <celesteh> it does, but i want to be able to tag, title and describe the photos while i'm hanging out at, say, a campground, and have it do uploads for me later when i get to a hotspot
Jul 30 22:37:37 <NeoStrider> is there such a thing on desktop?
Jul 30 22:37:54 <NeoStrider> (im new to flickr...just got my account last friday)
Jul 30 22:37:55 <erstazi> NeoStrider, yeah I have seen it
Jul 30 22:38:00 <erstazi> I am not a flickr user
Jul 30 22:38:16 <NeoStrider> yeah...but Im quite away from those web 2.0 websites
Jul 30 22:38:25 <celesteh> heh.  they're handy
Jul 30 22:39:11 <erstazi> celesteh, I got a blogger app
Jul 30 22:39:14 <erstazi> it might be helpful to you
Jul 30 22:39:25 <erstazi> celesteh, http://downloads.maemo.org/product/maemo-blog/
Jul 30 22:39:41 <celesteh> ah, that crashes for me
Jul 30 22:39:42 <erstazi> hello Tu13es
Jul 30 22:39:43 <celesteh> early and often
Jul 30 22:39:49 <erstazi> celesteh, hmmm thats odd
Jul 30 22:39:50 <Tu13es> hi
Jul 30 22:39:51 <NeoStrider> hello tul3es
Jul 30 22:40:04 <erstazi> celesteh, I thought I saw a more stable version of that floating somewhere
Jul 30 22:40:05 <NeoStrider> s/tul3es/Tul3es/
Jul 30 22:40:05 <infobot> NeoStrider meant: hello Tul3es
Jul 30 22:40:27 <Tu13es> it's a 1
Jul 30 22:40:29 <Tu13es> not an l
Jul 30 22:40:34 <NeoStrider> hahahah
Jul 30 22:40:50 <NeoStrider> I need some lenses
Jul 30 22:41:15 <erstazi> I use tab to finish nicks heh
Jul 30 22:41:23 <erstazi> but I still will get the wrong one
Jul 30 22:42:55 <NeoStrider> nice!
Jul 30 22:42:56 <NeoStrider> works!
Jul 30 22:43:55 <erstazi> the thing is, in large channels, you end up tabbing through hundreds of nicks to get the right one
Jul 30 22:44:13 <erstazi> or just typing an extra character, but I think 2 characters are usually enough
Jul 30 22:59:07 <celesteh> ok, this is cool: http://berserk.org/uploadr/
Jul 30 22:59:13 <celesteh> i just need a UI
Jul 30 22:59:16 <celesteh> "just"
Jul 30 22:59:17 <celesteh> haha
Jul 30 23:00:08 <NeoStrider> gtg
Jul 30 23:00:09 <NeoStrider> brb
Jul 30 23:00:12 <NeoStrider> dinner
Jul 30 23:00:26 * NeoStrider leaves his chair in such a hurry...
Jul 30 23:00:29 <celesteh> bon appetit!
Jul 30 23:00:52 <NeoStrider> ...thanks...
Jul 30 23:19:50 <pupnik_> btw i've seen the WSOD three times but removing the battery solved em
Jul 30 23:28:43 * NeoStrider just sat down
Jul 30 23:29:08 <NeoStrider> pupnik_: saw it just once...but had a few strange reboots
Jul 30 23:29:22 <NeoStrider> the last of them, had a nice nice garbled screen
Jul 30 23:52:44 <jbinder> Hi.
Jul 30 23:54:30 <NeoStrider> hi jbinder
Jul 30 23:55:09 <jbinder> Does anyone know if they make Checkers for the 770 with OS2006SE?
Jul 30 23:56:16 <jbinder> Like Chess... but Checkers.
Jul 30 23:56:25 <jbinder> Lol... I searched for it online at several sites.
Jul 30 23:58:40 <NeoStrider> let me check
Jul 31 00:00:46 <NeoStrider> not that I have seen
Jul 31 00:04:52 <pupnik_> checkers would be a nice first hildon/gtk project - or pygame
Jul 31 00:05:18 <jbinder> :(
Jul 31 00:06:10 <pupnik_> gtkboard - many board games in one program
Jul 31 00:06:17 <jbinder> What about a sliding puzzle possibly? Where 16 pieces of a puzzle and you switch them around to get them to form the right shape.  Some versions of it have it with numbers 1-16 and you have to put them in order.
Jul 31 00:06:21 <jbinder> Ok.
Jul 31 00:06:23 <jbinder> Oh.*
Jul 31 00:06:42 <pupnik_> i think that is part of the puzzle collection
Jul 31 00:06:54 <pupnik_> NeoStrider is probably building you a checkers game as we speak :)
Jul 31 00:07:04 <jbinder> :O
Jul 31 00:07:13 <jbinder> If/When it's finished, where will it be?
Jul 31 00:07:16 <jbinder> Garage.maemo.prg?
Jul 31 00:07:25 <NeoStrider> hahahhaha....im not that fast
Jul 31 00:07:31 <pupnik_> did you see gtkboard?
Jul 31 00:07:39 <jbinder> Looking it up now.
Jul 31 00:07:42 <NeoStrider> jbinder: give me a url and we may build it for you
Jul 31 00:07:51 <NeoStrider> 770 or n800?
Jul 31 00:07:57 <jbinder> 770
Jul 31 00:07:59 <jbinder> OS2006SE
Jul 31 00:08:05 <NeoStrider> good...I have it here
Jul 31 00:08:40 * pupnik_ is playing checkers
Jul 31 00:10:43 <erstazi> ugh kids
Jul 31 00:10:50 * NeoStrider is starting SBOX
Jul 31 00:11:32 <jbinder> pupnik_: GTKboard is for the 770?
Jul 31 00:11:54 <pupnik_> nah but if we're lucky you'll have a whole bunch of board games for 770 soon
Jul 31 00:11:55 <jbinder> NeoStrider: What do you mean give you a URL?
Jul 31 00:11:59 <jbinder> Oh.
Jul 31 00:12:13 <jbinder> I have a few already. Just not checkers or the slidey thing.
Jul 31 00:12:39 <pupnik_> 32 games
Jul 31 00:12:40 <NeoStrider> give me the url to a checkers game
Jul 31 00:12:49 <pupnik_> i don't have one
Jul 31 00:12:50 <jbinder> Ok?
Jul 31 00:12:52 <jbinder> Hmmm...
Jul 31 00:12:59 <pupnik_> apt-get source NeoStrider
Jul 31 00:13:26 <jbinder> Gtkboard has checkers in it.
Jul 31 00:13:27 <pupnik_> it's convenient when the host box is debian
Jul 31 00:13:47 <NeoStrider> im not in the repositories =-P
Jul 31 00:13:57 <pupnik_> ok starting now
Jul 31 00:14:13 <jbinder> http://www.aeonity.com/ab/games/strategy-puzzles/checkers.php
Jul 31 00:14:19 <jbinder> There's a Flash version... Lol.
Jul 31 00:14:23 <erstazi> sorry about that, some network flips there
Jul 31 00:14:56 <NeoStrider> jbinder...you can play that on the device too
Jul 31 00:15:05 <jbinder> :O?
Jul 31 00:15:17 <jbinder> But not on an airplane... Can I?
Jul 31 00:15:24 <pupnik_> done!
Jul 31 00:15:26 <NeoStrider> sure
Jul 31 00:15:37 <NeoStrider> just save the webpage and open offline with the browser
Jul 31 00:16:12 <NeoStrider> its offline?
Jul 31 00:16:31 <pupnik_> http://pupnik.de/gtkboard_0.11pre0-5_armel.deb
Jul 31 00:16:53 <NeoStrider> "<pupnik_> NeoStrider is probably building you a checkers game as we speak :)"
Jul 31 00:16:54 <pupnik_> lets see that was ... 2 minutes to port 32 games :)
Jul 31 00:17:01 <pupnik_> "{
Jul 31 00:17:03 <NeoStrider> s/NeoStrider/pupnik_/
Jul 31 00:17:04 <infobot> NeoStrider meant: "<pupnik_> pupnik_ is probably building you a checkers game as we speak :)"
Jul 31 00:17:17 <pupnik_> no i just started when you said you didn't have the source :P
Jul 31 00:17:19 <NeoStrider> =-D
Jul 31 00:17:42 <jbinder> Cool
Jul 31 00:17:45 <jbinder> I didn't know flash works.
Jul 31 00:17:54 <jbinder> Youtube didn't work so I didn't think anything flash would.
Jul 31 00:17:57 <jbinder> Youtube said download flash.
Jul 31 00:18:05 <jbinder> Is there Flash 9er for this?
Jul 31 00:18:10 <erstazi> Flash 7 I believe
Jul 31 00:18:16 <erstazi> I could be wrong though
Jul 31 00:18:20 <jbinder> Does it come with it?
Jul 31 00:18:45 <erstazi> jbinder, not that I know of, I know you can get Flash 7 for the ARM arch
Jul 31 00:18:59 <erstazi> last I checked I don't have flash,... let me verify
Jul 31 00:19:30 <jbinder> Oh... It has flash 6
Jul 31 00:19:34 <jbinder> I right clicked and it said so.
Jul 31 00:19:45 <erstazi> oh
Jul 31 00:19:56 <erstazi> jbinder, 770 or n800?
Jul 31 00:20:06 <NeoStrider> 770
Jul 31 00:20:10 <erstazi> k
Jul 31 00:20:11 <jbinder> Yeah.
Jul 31 00:20:14 <NeoStrider> hey...isnt that flash 7?
Jul 31 00:20:20 <NeoStrider> i could swear it was 7
Jul 31 00:20:27 <erstazi> I thought it was flash 7
Jul 31 00:20:30 <NeoStrider> it was flash 8 that didnt make to the linux
Jul 31 00:20:33 <erstazi> youtube.com won't let me play a video
Jul 31 00:20:55 <NeoStrider> yeah...but I did other flash stuff and it worked
Jul 31 00:21:03 <erstazi> NeoStrider, I have flash9
Jul 31 00:21:07 <erstazi> on GNU/Linux
Jul 31 00:21:11 <NeoStrider> me too
Jul 31 00:21:15 <NeoStrider> i mean, on device
Jul 31 00:21:16 <jbinder> Me too.
Jul 31 00:21:19 <jbinder> yeah no Flash 8.
Jul 31 00:21:22 <jbinder> I have 6 on the 770 :\
Jul 31 00:21:29 <NeoStrider> macromedia jumped flash 8 on linux
Jul 31 00:21:39 <NeoStrider> jbinder:  are you sure it is not 7?
Jul 31 00:22:15 <jbinder> It said 6... I'm positive of that.
Jul 31 00:22:33 <NeoStrider> ok
Jul 31 00:22:38 <NeoStrider> you're the flash man
Jul 31 00:22:47 <NeoStrider> im going to test now is my mono runtime
Jul 31 00:23:02 <NeoStrider> hope it works
Jul 31 00:24:01 * pupnik_ plays checkers on 770 :P
Jul 31 00:24:18 <pupnik_> the gomputer is hard :(
Jul 31 00:24:48 <erstazi> ugh, opera freezing up
Jul 31 00:27:23 <erstazi> in the filesystem, where are Audio Clips, Documents, Images, Video clips
Jul 31 00:27:28 <erstazi> they sure are not under /home/user/
Jul 31 00:27:29 <_Monkey> Hmm.  No matches for that, erstazi.
Jul 31 00:27:48 <erstazi> never mind
Jul 31 00:27:51 <erstazi> ls -al
Jul 31 00:28:30 <NeoStrider> /home/user/MyDocs/
Jul 31 00:28:34 <NeoStrider> .documents
Jul 31 00:28:36 <NeoStrider> .images
Jul 31 00:28:37 <NeoStrider> ...
Jul 31 00:28:48 <erstazi> NeoStrider, I found it
Jul 31 00:29:10 <erstazi> NeoStrider, that's why I typed never mind... I felt like an idiot I forgot .directories
Jul 31 00:30:12 <NeoStrider> I didnt saw that
Jul 31 00:30:14 <NeoStrider> sorry
Jul 31 00:30:35 <erstazi> NeoStrider, its ok
Jul 31 00:31:01 <pupnik_> i miss locate and updatedb :/
Jul 31 00:32:32 <NeoStrider> MDK: are you there?
Jul 31 00:36:55 <jbinder> I tried saving the flash page for offline.
Jul 31 00:37:12 <jbinder> The page loads but the flash swf isn't on the sytstem so it's an empty space.
Jul 31 00:38:36 <NeoStrider> try editing the html
Jul 31 00:38:41 <NeoStrider> maybe the reference is wrong
Jul 31 00:40:18 <erstazi> what does hildonized mean?
Jul 31 00:40:22 <erstazi> ported?
Jul 31 00:41:03 <NeoStrider> adapted to the maemo interface
Jul 31 00:41:10 <NeoStrider> the tablets do run pure GTK stuff
Jul 31 00:41:26 <erstazi> yeah
Jul 31 00:41:29 <NeoStrider> but it looks ugly ,becouse of the apearance of the rest of the system
Jul 31 00:41:37 <NeoStrider> so we hildonize the gtk apps
Jul 31 00:42:19 <erstazi> ok
Jul 31 00:42:39 <erstazi> I need a GUI editor, because vi or nano doesn't cut it on this small screen
Jul 31 00:42:41 <erstazi> I prefer vi
Jul 31 00:42:47 <NeoStrider> maemopad?
Jul 31 00:42:53 <erstazi> is that decent?
Jul 31 00:43:10 <NeoStrider> sure
Jul 31 00:43:16 <NeoStrider> does the job nicely
Jul 31 00:45:48 <pupnik_> erstazi: you can change the font size in xterm with the +/- rocker button on the top of the device
Jul 31 00:46:08 <NeoStrider> "living and learning"!
Jul 31 00:46:12 <NeoStrider> never knew that
Jul 31 00:46:31 <erstazi> pupnik_, I know, but its easier to use a GUI text editor with this stylus
Jul 31 00:46:32 <erstazi> heh
Jul 31 00:46:45 <erstazi> ehore.com doesn't exist anymore
Jul 31 00:46:57 <pupnik_> also if your xterm has a hard-to-read courier font, you have an old version.  the newer version has a much improved font
Jul 31 00:46:58 <erstazi> thats where they said the ARM deb was
Jul 31 00:47:09 <erstazi> pupnik_, I have the advanced xterm which is newer
Jul 31 00:47:15 <erstazi> NeoStrider set me straight last night
Jul 31 00:47:18 <erstazi> or the night before
Jul 31 00:47:27 <NeoStrider> what?
Jul 31 00:47:34 <erstazi> black background color on white font
Jul 31 00:47:36 <NeoStrider> ahh
Jul 31 01:09:35 <NeoStrider> mono running!
Jul 31 01:09:40 <NeoStrider> slow startup, but running!
Jul 31 01:11:21 <NeoStrider> yeah...my console app worked too!!!
Jul 31 01:11:39 <erstazi> the wpeditor_1.01-1_armel.deb is corrupt
Jul 31 01:11:42 <kamihacker> NeoStrider, congrats
Jul 31 01:11:57 <erstazi> ugh
Jul 31 01:12:09 <NeoStrider> thanks, kamihacker
Jul 31 01:16:34 <kamihacker> anyone knows where the pairing logs go on the 770 ?
Jul 31 01:16:45 <kamihacker> btooth pairing that is
Jul 31 01:20:34 <erstazi> there ya go
Jul 31 01:21:07 <erstazi> http://repository.maemo.org/extras is a must needed one!
Jul 31 01:21:29 <NeoStrider> gtg
Jul 31 01:21:34 <NeoStrider> cya!
Jul 31 01:21:42 <erstazi> bye NeoStrider
Jul 31 01:24:38 <erstazi> slimserver is great with the 770
Jul 31 01:26:25 <erstazi> hello abock and jjazz
Jul 31 02:07:49 <theefer> hello
Jul 31 02:07:49 <_Monkey> hi, theefer
Jul 31 02:08:06 <theefer> anyone here ordered an N800 from Japan?
Jul 31 02:08:48 <theefer> I've been looking at expansys website and I can't figure out what's the difference between the US and the UK version (large price difference), no luck on Google or other FAQs either..
Jul 31 02:09:07 <pupnik_> in the UK and europe, everything is more expensive
Jul 31 02:09:23 <pupnik_> except for good food
Jul 31 02:09:46 <theefer> well is there any reason to buy a more expensive UK import instead of a US one? guarrantee maybe?
Jul 31 02:09:57 <theefer> pupnik_: food is even cheaper in Japan actually ;-)
Jul 31 02:10:57 <pupnik_> i don't know your local laws.  are you an xmms dev?
Jul 31 02:11:10 <theefer> I'm an xmms2 dev
Jul 31 02:11:45 <theefer> local laws? actually I'm from Europe, heading back to Switzerland in November, so I will also need to check the guarrantee situation..
Jul 31 02:12:35 <pupnik_> nice.  i love xmms but i want it to stay on top in fluxbox, and it uses outdated interface to stay on top and be sticky
Jul 31 02:12:54 <pupnik_> trying xmms2
Jul 31 02:14:03 <theefer> xmms2 has kind of different model, with pluggable interfaces (running as clients of the music server). right now the GUI interfaces aren't very complete, but still it works fine :)
Jul 31 02:16:18 <pupnik_> what's the command line invocation equivalent to xmms /mnt/hdd1/Othermp3/ ?
Jul 31 02:16:27 <pupnik_> (just skimmed the manpage for it)
Jul 31 02:16:55 <erstazi> ugh
Jul 31 02:17:00 <pupnik_> xmms2 add /mnt/hdd1/Othermp3/ was invalid
Jul 31 02:17:07 <theefer> xmms2 radd /mnt/hdd1/Othermp3/
Jul 31 02:17:15 <pupnik_> ty!
Jul 31 02:17:29 <theefer> the cli is also being rewritten at the moment.
Jul 31 02:18:01 <pupnik_> 'recursive add' is fine with me ty
Jul 31 02:18:59 <pupnik_> if you want something ported to nokia just give a holler here :)  it's pretty easy usually
Jul 31 02:19:06 <erstazi> theefer, honestly, you folks are doing a great job on xmms
Jul 31 02:19:15 <pupnik_> xmms2 is different
Jul 31 02:19:20 <erstazi> yes
Jul 31 02:19:32 <erstazi> s/xmms/xmms2
Jul 31 02:19:51 <theefer> pupnik_: thanks! If I end up buying an N800, I'm probably gonna try to write a GUI for it, would make a lovely remote :)
Jul 31 02:20:12 <theefer> erstazi: thanks! I'll forward that to our chan!
Jul 31 02:20:13 <erstazi> theefer, 770 or n800 work great with slimserver
Jul 31 02:20:46 <theefer> nice
Jul 31 02:20:53 <erstazi> theefer, and if xmms2 was ported, it would be a great combo to stream audio from slimserver
Jul 31 02:21:04 <theefer> erstazi: with a custom interface?
Jul 31 02:21:12 <theefer> (for the slimserver I mean)
Jul 31 02:21:42 <erstazi> theefer, slimserver on the box that is broadcasting the stream?
Jul 31 02:22:16 <theefer> erstazi: you meant controlling a slim device with 770/n800 right?
Jul 31 02:22:57 <erstazi> theefer, well, yes sorry, doing svn and vnc'ing got confused
Jul 31 02:23:17 <theefer> in the case of xmms2, I was thinking of an xmms2 client running on the n800, which would control either a local xmms2d server on the device, or a remote one on another computer (over tcp)
Jul 31 02:24:40 <erstazi> I haven't tried xmms2d server, but if it has better documentation than slimserver, I am game
Jul 31 02:24:48 <erstazi> slimserver is slow to response sometimes
Jul 31 02:25:23 <theefer> http://wiki.xmms2.xmms.se/ there is doxygen and bindings doc, etc.
Jul 31 02:25:55 <erstazi> theefer, thank you, I will take a stab at it this weekend, (bookmarking it)
Jul 31 02:26:10 <theefer> there are 1-2 web interfaces, but they might not be as adapted/pretty on the N800 as the one I see from the slimserver.
Jul 31 02:26:15 <theefer> nice!
Jul 31 02:26:33 <theefer> let us know on #xmms2 if you have any problem or cool results!
Jul 31 02:26:34 <erstazi> theefer, I don't ever point my 770 at the slimserver
Jul 31 02:26:53 <erstazi> I make a playlist and let it go, until my wife adds songs,... then I get miffed heh
Jul 31 02:26:55 * pupnik_ mutters 'nfs'
Jul 31 02:27:24 <theefer> erstazi: I see
Jul 31 02:27:57 <erstazi> welcome back NeoStrider
Jul 31 02:28:10 <theefer> I am not sure what the status of our icecast output plugin is atm, I've never used it myself. but at least one of our devs uses xmms2d to power his radio station
Jul 31 02:28:23 <NeoStrider> whats erstazi
Jul 31 02:28:24 <_Monkey> i think erstazi is happy that IT2006/IT2007 is based on debian
Jul 31 02:28:32 <NeoStrider> couldnt be away for too long =-P
Jul 31 02:28:35 <erstazi> _Monkey, forget erstazi
Jul 31 02:28:35 <_Monkey> erstazi: I forgot erstazi
Jul 31 02:28:44 <NeoStrider> s/whats/thanks/
Jul 31 02:28:59 <NeoStrider> infobot?
Jul 31 02:28:59 <_Monkey> infobot is, like, at http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~infobot
Jul 31 02:29:08 <NeoStrider> thanks _Monkey
Jul 31 02:29:16 <theefer> Mh so according to you guys, the US/UK version shouldn't be different models/packs, just different exports (and guarantee location) ?
Jul 31 02:29:20 <NeoStrider> good good pet monkey...good boy
Jul 31 02:30:54 <erstazi> theefer, where are you located?
Jul 31 02:31:16 <theefer> erstazi: in Japan at the moment, I'll go back to Europe (Switzerland) in december
Jul 31 02:31:23 <erstazi> ah
Jul 31 02:31:34 <erstazi> I miss Europe
Jul 31 02:31:41 <pupnik> ever see the movie 'Lost in Translation' theefer ?
Jul 31 02:31:52 <erstazi> I was once there when in the military, then went back as civilian
Jul 31 02:31:59 <theefer> pupnik: that movie is one of the reasons I'm here, so yes ;-)
Jul 31 02:32:08 <theefer> erstazi: where exactly?
Jul 31 02:33:58 <erstazi> theefer, all the places I have been in Europe? Germany, France, UK, Denmark, Netherlands, Serbia/Kosovo
Jul 31 02:34:17 <erstazi> and maybe some more places if I was not drunk at the time, I would remember
Jul 31 02:35:16 <erstazi> I didn't know xmms2 works on windows also, amazing
Jul 31 02:35:19 <erstazi> hello ajturner
Jul 31 02:35:36 <theefer> erstazi: nice. and where are you now?
Jul 31 02:35:48 <ajturner> hi erstazi
Jul 31 02:35:49 <erstazi> theefer, the US
Jul 31 02:36:14 <theefer> ok
Jul 31 02:36:19 <erstazi> theefer, sadly, I wanted to move to London but I was unsure at that point in my life
Jul 31 02:36:52 <theefer> London is /so/ expensive though :-/
Jul 31 02:36:53 <_Monkey> Hmm.  No matches for that, theefer.
Jul 31 02:37:04 <erstazi> theefer, but I will help pupnik port if needed
Jul 31 02:37:27 <erstazi> theefer, yes, very... but at the time, it looked promising, just maybe even for 6 months of my life
Jul 31 02:37:47 <theefer> erstazi: which part do you want to port actually? the cli client? the server? other clients?
Jul 31 02:37:51 <erstazi> milton keynes looked more promising though
Jul 31 02:38:06 <pupnik> well there are good media clients for the tablets - i'm not really interested in more :)
Jul 31 02:38:20 <erstazi> theefer, well, the CLI client will be much easier, I am not good at GUI design
Jul 31 02:38:31 <erstazi> pupnik, true
Jul 31 02:38:45 <erstazi> pupnik, I forgot, which do you use primarily on your 770
Jul 31 02:39:05 <theefer> does clutter run on an n800/maemo?
Jul 31 02:39:13 <pupnik> no music on it.  just mplayer for video
Jul 31 02:39:19 <erstazi> ah
Jul 31 02:39:36 <erstazi> theefer, let me check
Jul 31 02:40:15 <erstazi> I do not see clutter in maemo.org
Jul 31 02:40:19 <erstazi> hmm
Jul 31 02:40:51 <theefer> I think I've heard of people talking about it but I don't know if it was highly experimental or something
Jul 31 02:42:00 <erstazi> well, I am rusty on porting to a different arch
Jul 31 02:42:27 <erstazi> what is clutter?
Jul 31 02:42:44 <theefer> it's a lib to make nice bling bling
Jul 31 02:42:56 <theefer> http://clutter-project.org/
Jul 31 02:42:58 <erstazi> ah I see
Jul 31 02:46:26 <milhouse> looks like a new build of pidgin just landed
Jul 31 02:46:33 <milhouse> shame there's no changelog
Jul 31 02:49:55 <erstazi> milhouse, do you use pidgin on your nokia?
Jul 31 02:50:02 <milhouse> i have done
Jul 31 02:50:08 <milhouse> for irc mainly and a bit of aim
Jul 31 02:50:53 <erstazi> yeah, for me, pidgin and irc do not go hand and hand but it works great for aim, yahoo, etc
Jul 31 02:54:12 <erstazi> hi nomis and behdad
Jul 31 02:57:05 <pupnik> xmms2 still radd'ing :/
Jul 31 02:58:01 <theefer> pupnik: how much stuff do you have in there?
Jul 31 02:58:32 <pupnik>  2631 username    18   0 98984  46m 2656 S 80.2 12.3  28:42.96 xmms2d
Jul 31 02:58:34 <pupnik> oh i dunno
Jul 31 02:59:02 <erstazi> pupnik, are you using xmms2 on your 770?
Jul 31 02:59:10 <pupnik> no
Jul 31 02:59:20 <erstazi> oh
Jul 31 02:59:29 <erstazi> pupnik, what distro do you primarily use?
Jul 31 02:59:41 <pupnik> sidux! tracking debian sid -- stably!
Jul 31 02:59:46 <behdad> hi erstazi
Jul 31 02:59:49 <erstazi> I think I am going to make an ARM deb tonight
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