**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jul 31 02:59:56 2007 Jul 31 03:00:04 pupnik, heh Jul 31 03:00:19 pupnik: I didn't think you were adding *all* your music to the playlist.. this is not really the most interesting way to use xmms2. you could have added the music to the mlib only instead, and use it to populate your playlist with what you want to play Jul 31 03:00:35 ok Jul 31 03:01:58 personally, I prefer playlists, Jul 31 03:02:27 erstazi: mh, why? Jul 31 03:02:41 I don't like loading all my music into any player Jul 31 03:03:30 I thought you meant loading all your music into the playlist Jul 31 03:04:01 oh, I separate Jul 31 03:04:38 sorry if I don't make any sense, I am becoming exhausted Jul 31 03:05:56 *lunch Jul 31 03:07:18 i'm an sdl and emu nutter Jul 31 03:12:50 nutter? Jul 31 03:13:23 whats a nutter? Jul 31 03:14:43 British term for someone who is crazy or fanatical Jul 31 03:15:02 pupnik, ah Jul 31 03:15:52 ahh! Jul 31 03:16:07 im a computer graphics nutter =-P Jul 31 03:18:25 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQPjfUqp-dk - I'd like to see more of this kind of thing from Nokia showcasing upcoming projects. And stuff. :) Jul 31 03:20:26 openmoko! Jul 31 03:20:26 <_Monkey> somebody said openmoko was NeoStrider's phone of choice =-) Jul 31 03:20:33 * NeoStrider drools Jul 31 03:21:41 hello slomo Jul 31 03:22:04 hello slomo Jul 31 03:23:37 I am going to start porting some debs for some apps Jul 31 03:24:19 which apps? Jul 31 03:24:50 that I am not sure of, I had a list but I lost it somewhere haha, I am getting tired Jul 31 03:25:00 its probably now in svn somewhere accidently because I am getting tired Jul 31 03:25:18 hello joshin_ Jul 31 03:25:52 howdy... Jul 31 03:26:15 erstazi: looking for something to do? Jul 31 03:26:24 pupnik, sure, I closed my work Jul 31 03:26:43 we could use a picodrive port Jul 31 03:26:47 ok Jul 31 03:27:12 go for stable only? Jul 31 03:27:25 http://wiki.gp2x.org/wiki/Software_Directory Jul 31 03:27:42 lots of arm-optimized fun there Jul 31 03:27:58 those can be made debs right? Jul 31 03:28:08 our fceu and visual boy advance are slow :/ Jul 31 03:28:26 most of those are based on linux programs that also have debs Jul 31 03:28:47 pupnik, is dh-make available for ARM I haven't checked Jul 31 03:28:50 it's a matter of ripping-out the gp2x specific stuff and integrating it into the upstream deb Jul 31 03:29:14 in scratchbox you have debhelper 4 Jul 31 03:29:30 dh 5 isn't available afaik Jul 31 03:29:50 i don't even know what exactly debhelper does Jul 31 03:34:26 pupnik, so I can use debhelper (http://tinyurl.com/2rqlbf) which says I can use it on all architectures Jul 31 03:34:46 5.0.42 is stable Jul 31 03:35:33 I am going to attempt the install Jul 31 03:35:43 erstazi: into scratchbox? Jul 31 03:36:01 pupnik, yes, shortly Jul 31 03:36:41 usually i apt-get source from the host debian system, then cd into the package and run dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b and see what breaks Jul 31 03:36:56 s/then cd/then in scratchbox/ Jul 31 03:36:56 pupnik meant: usually i apt-get source from the host debian system, then in scratchbox into the package and run dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b and see what breaks Jul 31 03:37:48 and then begins an evening of building dependencies or studying the configure script and removing portions of the package i don't need Jul 31 03:37:54 pupnik, yeah, I didn't see fakeroot for ARM Jul 31 03:38:27 pupnik, but the packages are working 100% now? Jul 31 03:38:33 you get icons on the menu? Jul 31 03:39:01 no i didn't look into that Jul 31 03:39:19 but strangely after installing xmaeme a pcsx icon appeared under extras Jul 31 03:39:23 that wasn't there before Jul 31 03:49:35 Is there a good media player in maemo for audio books? One with a decent rewind/fast forward function instead of just skipping tracks... Jul 31 03:51:23 pupnik, I might do a few tonight, I have a store run to do Jul 31 03:51:30 but aliases make your life easier on a tablet Jul 31 03:54:15 pupnik, what is that pcsx? Jul 31 03:54:34 playstation emulator - just for fun Jul 31 03:55:09 speed? Jul 31 03:55:40 1fps? Jul 31 03:55:46 not running yet. probably about 1 fps Jul 31 03:55:52 hahah Jul 31 03:55:55 but hey Jul 31 03:56:10 this icon apearance means two things: Jul 31 03:56:22 1) the icons will apear after some time Jul 31 03:56:22 OR Jul 31 03:56:31 2) your system is seriously corrupt! Jul 31 03:58:55 there's a playstation emu for gp2x though that gets 10-30 fps (arm920 cpu) Jul 31 03:59:42 see youtube videos Jul 31 04:01:38 but gp2x doesnt use X11,right? Jul 31 04:02:26 pupnik got a prop Jul 31 04:02:30 neither does mplayer :) Jul 31 04:02:32 can I message you? Jul 31 04:02:41 yes i'm registered Jul 31 04:02:46 s/prop/problem Jul 31 04:02:55 go ahead Jul 31 04:06:42 but gp2x uses a brother in ARM (im lame and im aware of it) Jul 31 04:07:40 well, now im really going Jul 31 04:07:43 need some sleep Jul 31 04:07:52 cya Jul 31 04:58:11 anyone know if they will port the mozilla browser to the 770? Jul 31 04:59:14 how safe/stable is os2007 hacker edition? Jul 31 05:04:21 Wzrd2, last time I checked maemo, they do have a port for the mozilla browser that works with IT2006 Jul 31 05:08:10 yeah but not one with flash 9 support Jul 31 05:08:30 which sux Jul 31 05:09:16 for maemo, what I know is, there is only Flash7 Jul 31 05:09:21 Wzrd2, thats what I know of Jul 31 05:10:15 right! but the new version for the 880 runs with flash 9 Jul 31 05:10:41 800 I mean Jul 31 05:14:11 erstazi, do u know if 2007 hacker edition is stable Jul 31 05:14:45 Wzrd2, I haven't tried it Jul 31 05:14:57 if you find where the download is, they will say if it is stable Jul 31 05:16:09 it says there are SOME bugs and it lists them Jul 31 05:16:22 but how stable is it with those bugs I wonder Jul 31 05:16:39 Wzrd2: mozilla itself should run on the 770 Jul 31 05:16:51 but unfortunately official engineering effort isn't in that direction Jul 31 05:17:24 and the desktop team really likes changing all the apis, forcing all apps to reinvent their ui code annually Jul 31 05:19:42 I guess I have wait until the new mozilla can be ported to the 770.. I really want Flash 9 Jul 31 05:22:26 err Jul 31 05:22:31 * timelyx is confused Jul 31 05:22:39 flash9 has no relation to anything except armel Jul 31 05:23:12 I want a browser which will display pages in flash 9 Jul 31 05:23:25 mozilla doesn't include flash, it like just about every browser imaginable (except webcore?) supports NPAPI Jul 31 05:23:42 current browsers on the 770 only go to flash 7 Jul 31 05:24:17 err, no Jul 31 05:24:22 current browsers don't care Jul 31 05:24:30 the plugin that nokia ships for the 770 is flash7 Jul 31 05:24:37 but if you were to e.g. install a flash9 plugin Jul 31 05:24:48 then any browser that can use plugins at all would support flash9 Jul 31 05:24:57 actually the opera browser which comes with the 770 uses flash 7 and supposedly u can't install flash on the minimo browser Jul 31 05:25:33 people in here said there is no flash 9 plugin for the 770 Jul 31 05:27:58 there isn't one yet that works with the 770 Jul 31 05:37:59 Wzrd2, it's some how stable but things like Jul 31 05:38:30 Wzrd2, I was chatting over xchat the other day and the on-screen keyboard wouldn't appear when I clicked the textbox Jul 31 05:38:49 Wzrd2, and multimedia support is not as good either Jul 31 05:39:04 Wzrd2, but you should try it an see if it's good enough for what you need Jul 31 05:44:59 I was thinking about upgrading it but if the multimedia doesn't work well and other stuff i guess i'll wait until they port the new mozilla to the 770 Jul 31 05:45:43 kami how would u downrade back if I don't like it? can u? Jul 31 05:45:48 downgrade Jul 31 05:45:54 Wzrd2, need to flash back Jul 31 05:45:56 no other way Jul 31 05:46:09 ugh. I hate flashing Jul 31 05:46:13 I don't think they will port mozilla to 770 Jul 31 05:46:22 too easy a chance to brick Jul 31 05:46:36 why would you need mozilla? opera is good enough in my opinion Jul 31 05:46:37 why don't you think so Jul 31 05:46:46 because it only supports flash 7 Jul 31 05:46:47 I don't need a plethora of extensions on the 770 Jul 31 05:46:52 alot of pages I go to use flash 9 Jul 31 05:46:58 with mozilla, it will be the same Jul 31 05:47:15 otherwise there would be a need for a flash 9 plugin compiled for the 770 Jul 31 05:47:18 the new mozilla for the 800 supports flash 9 Jul 31 05:47:24 which doesn't exist, and I doubt it will exist Jul 31 05:47:30 different libraries Jul 31 05:47:39 it's on the main page of maemo Jul 31 05:47:39 different processor Jul 31 05:47:41 no can do Jul 31 05:48:05 770 and n800 are not similar enough to share that component Jul 31 05:48:07 forget it Jul 31 05:48:07 <_Monkey> kamihacker: I forgot it Jul 31 05:48:14 if you want flash9, get an n800 Jul 31 05:48:21 test version of mozilla with flash 9 support Jul 31 05:48:30 Wzrd2, read what I just wrote Jul 31 05:48:37 I see that Jul 31 05:49:17 what revision of os is hacker edition 2007 Jul 31 05:49:22 I doubt it's going to happen, because adobe flash team won't port flash 9 to a platform that is going to be left behind, and nokia won't motivate them financially since they are phasing out the 770 Jul 31 05:49:48 Wzrd2, if you haven't read os2007 hacker edition, packs the opera that comes on os2006 Jul 31 05:50:28 Wzrd2, precisely because opera is complex and uses the flash 9 plug in and they couldn't make it work with diff libraries and processor Jul 31 05:50:32 <`0660> proprietary applications :/ Jul 31 05:50:42 Wzrd2, did you read the whole release notes for os2007 HE ? Jul 31 05:50:50 `0660, precisely Jul 31 05:50:53 I saw that but i'm thinking if the os is the correct version I could install the new mozilla and see if it works Jul 31 05:51:10 but I guess it won't work Jul 31 05:51:21 if flash technology were open people just would compile against the old OS and that's it Jul 31 05:51:27 <`0660> it will work, as long as you have a flash 9 plugin installed Jul 31 05:51:32 Wzrd2, it won't but feel free to give it a try Jul 31 05:51:53 0660 the problem is that there is no flash 9 plug in for the 770 Jul 31 05:52:00 <`0660> i know Jul 31 05:52:16 Wzrd2, yeah and it's most probably not going to be ported Jul 31 05:52:18 <`0660> and that's why it won't work with 700 no matter which browser you install :/ Jul 31 05:52:22 <`0660> 770 Jul 31 05:52:35 Wzrd2: the flash7 nokia shipped was actually hacked to have an improper api Jul 31 05:52:45 Wzrd2, point is if you sit and wait for it to happen, you are just wasting time that you could be using to see flash9 content on the n800 Jul 31 05:53:03 but the flash9 plugin shipped w/ the newer os2007-4 is normal and can be used w/ any browser Jul 31 05:53:37 timelyx but that is on the 800 though, right? Jul 31 05:53:43 but it's just a binary Jul 31 05:53:48 an armel binary at that Jul 31 05:53:59 has anyone considered just copying the thing to their 770? Jul 31 05:54:03 and trying it w/ minimo Jul 31 05:54:08 copying what thing Jul 31 05:54:14 the plugin Jul 31 05:54:22 that's what I was thinking of trying Jul 31 05:54:33 but the plugin is for x86 Jul 31 05:54:46 timelyx, I think someone should have, problem is I am sure it's compiled against a new set of libs that work on the n800 only Jul 31 05:55:08 Wzrd2: the flash9 plugin for the n800 is armel, not x86 Jul 31 05:55:13 since the device is armel, not x86 Jul 31 05:55:26 shit I wasted money buying a 770 Jul 31 05:55:42 I only found an x86 plugin Jul 31 05:56:15 * timelyx sighs Jul 31 05:56:20 find someone w/ an n800! Jul 31 05:56:22 Wzrd2, you can always ebay it Jul 31 05:56:43 I don't trust buying electronics from ebay Jul 31 05:56:51 its sad that scratchbox.org's repos for debian isn't kept up, I get a 404 when I add deb http://scratchbox.org/debian ./ to my sources.list Jul 31 05:56:52 unless it's new Jul 31 05:57:15 Wzrd2, sell yours get an n800 Jul 31 05:57:39 Wzrd2, you could always port flash9 so you can use it on your 770 Jul 31 05:57:50 * timelyx sighs Jul 31 05:57:53 * timelyx doesn't have ldd Jul 31 05:57:53 how?? Jul 31 05:58:14 i'm a newbie..I don't know shit about Linux or programming Jul 31 05:58:46 Wzrd2, well, first, what OS do you have on your computer? Jul 31 05:59:03 xp Jul 31 05:59:47 * kamihacker looks at tigert Jul 31 05:59:51 * kamihacker looks at timelyx Jul 31 06:00:07 ? Jul 31 06:00:09 <`0660> you could start by ordering a C programming book from amazon :) Jul 31 06:00:10 Wzrd2, my suggestion is read up on maemo.org Jul 31 06:00:17 * kamihacker decides not to listen Jul 31 06:00:21 ah right Jul 31 06:00:28 you need libpplayback-1.so Jul 31 06:00:54 ok Jul 31 06:01:03 that *should* be the only requirement that isn't part of older releases Jul 31 06:01:13 read up on what? Jul 31 06:01:18 reverse engineering libplayback and providing NOP stubs would be fine Jul 31 06:01:19 on porting? Jul 31 06:01:33 (or you could just try to grab it when you grab flashplayer) Jul 31 06:01:45 Wzrd2, before that, I am backtracking, you need to read up on how to use your 770 and what apps you need etc etc Jul 31 06:01:53 timelyx, I think so, that's why the netradio app won't work either Jul 31 06:01:53 (err libplayback-1.so, typing's hard) Jul 31 06:02:01 read up on *nix comands Jul 31 06:02:08 s/comands/commands Jul 31 06:02:17 kamihacker, and some people do not have enough money to buy a n800 yet Jul 31 06:02:40 yeah that's me... not enough money Jul 31 06:02:57 <`0660> even more people don't have the knowledge to port software :) Jul 31 06:02:59 770 == $129.99 or n800 == $500 + Jul 31 06:03:05 erstazi, I am among that group, hence I don't dwell, I make the choice to enjoy what I have Jul 31 06:03:08 $500?? Jul 31 06:03:14 `0660, well, I won't tell Wzrd2 about scratchbox yet Jul 31 06:03:20 <`0660> :P Jul 31 06:03:26 I thought you could find it for $350 in the US Jul 31 06:03:29 erstazi, $330 at amazon.com last time I checked Jul 31 06:03:37 ok then I am wrong Jul 31 06:03:47 but even so, thats double the price of a 770 Jul 31 06:04:03 even so, it's a $200 that I am not willing to spend either (not at the moment at least) Jul 31 06:04:12 either way, remember everyone, we were all newbies at once Jul 31 06:05:11 ok Wzrd2, I want to give you a list of apps that you should install but as I said, you need to know the *nix basics before digging into your 770 Jul 31 06:05:19 what's scratchbox Jul 31 06:05:19 <_Monkey> somebody said scratchbox was like the glue that ties it all together Jul 31 06:05:31 what is *nix Jul 31 06:05:48 Unix, Linux.. Jul 31 06:06:03 oh lol duh Jul 31 06:06:11 <`0660> erstazi, how about making a realistic roadmap for Wzrd2? like installing ubuntu and using it for a year before continuing to read maemo.org? :) Jul 31 06:06:25 `0660, I was getting there, patience grasshopper Jul 31 06:07:31 Wzrd2, there are many good distros of linux out there, Ubuntu is a popular one, it is based on debian just like the OS that is on your 770 Jul 31 06:08:02 Wzrd2, now, you can do whats called dual boot, so you can either boot to windows or linux Jul 31 06:08:29 or, what I suggest you do first, is use whats called vmplayer which allows you to run a virtual operating system Jul 31 06:08:29 so install ubuntu as a dual boot on my desktop Jul 31 06:09:05 or you could download an ISO (which I am sure you can google how to burn an ISO to CD) and run a LiveCD of Ubuntu Jul 31 06:09:14 I know how to burn isos Jul 31 06:09:17 ok Jul 31 06:09:19 do that route Jul 31 06:10:03 run the LiveCD of Ubuntu, and you can get familiar before installing the OS onto your computer, because before you install, you need to repartition and other things Jul 31 06:10:21 yeah Jul 31 06:10:32 but get familiar with *nix and how things work, you will enjoy it more, heck, I even have Photoshop running on Linux Jul 31 06:11:15 but there are *many* open source applications that will shock you with how great they are Jul 31 06:12:26 what's wrong with gimp then? (besides gui) :) Jul 31 06:12:53 knew someone was going to type something about that Jul 31 06:12:54 haha Jul 31 06:12:58 solmumaha, nothing, I already paid for Photoshop, why not use it? I am a web developer Jul 31 06:13:03 but I do use gimp, sometimes Jul 31 06:13:34 but I do notice a compression difference, just seems like photoshop can compress more efficiently Jul 31 06:14:39 Wzrd2, you can find LiveCD iso's at http://ubuntu.com Jul 31 06:16:02 timelyx, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8295 Jul 31 06:17:29 ok Jul 31 06:18:06 hello bergie_ and jsmanrique Jul 31 06:19:37 kamihacker: amusing Jul 31 06:19:52 most of those menu changes are pretty stupid of course Jul 31 06:19:58 the hazard of intermingled components Jul 31 06:20:01 timelyx, that's basically what is available, maybe the next HE Jul 31 06:20:03 erstazi: hi! Jul 31 06:20:27 kamihacker: it shouldn't be too hard to work around the bookmark stuff Jul 31 06:20:31 i think i did in my notes Jul 31 06:20:48 jsmanrique, how are you? Jul 31 06:20:55 http://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/n800/microb-3.2007 Jul 31 06:21:04 yeah, i worked around the bookmark thing for 3.2007 Jul 31 06:21:09 feel free to try it on older versions :) Jul 31 06:21:17 :) Jul 31 06:21:18 ok Jul 31 06:22:35 ugh, I am getting tired. Jul 31 06:22:48 kamihacker: you guys really aren't hack(er)y enough Jul 31 06:23:03 note: i did not take real advantage of internal knowledge when i did that Jul 31 06:23:04 I got my 770 three days ago Jul 31 06:23:13 i merely took an n800 w/ 3.2007 and the debs Jul 31 06:23:24 I am still deciding what version of the OS I will keep Jul 31 06:23:39 kamihacker, where did you buy your 770 from? Jul 31 06:23:47 erstazi, woot Jul 31 06:24:02 erstazi, but I am an international buyer, so it took time to ship to my country Jul 31 06:25:10 only thing that is bugging me now is that the bluetooth plugin for keyboards has an issue with latest os2006 Jul 31 06:25:29 yet it works perfectly with os2007 built-in hardware keyboard manager Jul 31 06:25:56 I've not made my mind yet, I don't use for multimedia, just ebooks and work on xterm Jul 31 06:26:40 that's why flash7 won't bother me either, I don't web browse that much on it Jul 31 06:27:02 kamihacker, what brand and model for the keyboard did you buy? Jul 31 06:27:11 stowaway sierra Jul 31 06:27:22 oh no, not ray charles again Jul 31 06:27:22 a.k.a. the smudge magnet Jul 31 06:27:23 lol Jul 31 06:27:27 heh Jul 31 06:28:09 I should have researched the support before getting it, but I had one of those for my palm (over universal connector though) Jul 31 06:28:44 and I was used to think that the device would just work Jul 31 06:28:59 hello Vertoo Jul 31 06:29:17 yeah, I think I might down the road if I get sick and tired of the virtual keyboard, I might buy a bluetooth one Jul 31 06:29:33 hey Jul 31 06:29:44 I think on maemo.org or nokia's site they have a list of supported keyboards Jul 31 06:29:55 i like the v- kb Jul 31 06:29:56 but so far, I am ok with it Jul 31 06:30:14 erstazi, there are other choices, I am not sick of the onscreen on, it's just that I've always used real keyboards or handwriting since PalmIIIxe Jul 31 06:30:22 I try to avoid too much xterm on the 770, but ssh works nicely Jul 31 06:30:23 its pretty efficient once you get the hang of it Jul 31 06:30:35 Vertoo, oh definitely Jul 31 06:30:44 erstazi: about the sb url. See the second news on the main page.. Jul 31 06:30:57 erstazi, I've not tried screen, but it if doesn't work out ok, I can always screen somewhere else through ssh Jul 31 06:31:08 exactly, kamihacker Jul 31 06:32:13 kulve, thank you, that would explain a lot Jul 31 06:32:48 anyone know of a text editor on here? Jul 31 06:32:55 and I just find out sadly that I have to install syslog and klog to see what's going on with DUN over btooth with my phone Jul 31 06:32:58 Vertoo, CLI or GUI? Jul 31 06:33:01 erstazi: the download page will be updated shortly too :) Jul 31 06:33:16 kulve, I wondered what happened, everything I thought was bleak Jul 31 06:33:25 either. gui would be nice though Jul 31 06:33:37 Veggen, maemopad or maemopad+ Jul 31 06:33:41 for GUI Jul 31 06:33:51 s/Veggen/Vertoo Jul 31 06:33:54 damn tab Jul 31 06:34:50 for CLI, you can get nano or install vim,... vi is installed by default Jul 31 06:35:00 I do not think emacs is ported Jul 31 06:35:05 but I could be wrong Jul 31 06:35:37 Vertoo, personally, I prefer maemopad over maemopad+, its lighter Jul 31 06:35:43 can any of the gui ones load a file that i specify? like /etc/hosts Jul 31 06:35:53 Vertoo, I know maemopad can Jul 31 06:36:05 mamopad it is. thx Jul 31 06:36:15 no problem Jul 31 06:37:02 Vertoo, btw, its maemopad just incase your search comes to no avail... I suggest using the repos at .. let me check Jul 31 06:37:26 hello Sulis, how are you? Jul 31 06:38:25 already installed, thanks for following through though. Jul 31 06:38:35 Vertoo, ok Jul 31 06:39:01 is there an easy way to put someones nick into the text or does everyone type it? Jul 31 06:39:18 Vertoo, first two letters then hit/tap the tab key Jul 31 06:39:37 Vertoo, thats how I messed up your nick with the other nick, I didn't hit tab twice Jul 31 06:40:51 you can do one letter, but in channels that have this many nicks, two or three characters are more efficient Jul 31 06:41:14 kami, try to install the mozilla browser and tell me if it works Jul 31 06:41:26 on 2007 he Jul 31 06:41:35 the new one Jul 31 06:41:35 <_Monkey> it has been said that the new one is using 19% Jul 31 06:42:04 it doesnt wz Jul 31 06:42:18 Wzrd2, Jul 31 06:42:20 figured that Jul 31 06:42:48 that sux!! Jul 31 06:43:32 Wzrd2, well, if you learn the basics and some advance, you could port those apps over Jul 31 06:43:53 can't someone who knows what the hell they are doing do it? Jul 31 06:44:04 Wzrd2, I am doing it slowly Jul 31 06:44:14 mostly, people don't have all the time in the world Jul 31 06:44:25 u are?? porting flash 9 to work on the 770? Jul 31 06:44:32 well I know that erstazi Jul 31 06:44:58 Wzrd2, I prefer gecko-based browsers over opera but I find opera alright for this tablet Jul 31 06:45:12 Wzrd2, I have no need for flash Jul 31 06:45:21 I like opera.. I just want f-ing flash 9 to work on my 770!! Jul 31 06:45:24 Wzrd2, but I could take it on, there is an open source flash out there Jul 31 06:45:42 Wzrd2, well, flash is independent of the browser Jul 31 06:45:43 I use my 770 primarily for web browssing Jul 31 06:46:34 when I researched the 770 and 800 I thought the 770 could be upgraded to use flash9 Jul 31 06:46:50 and I also didn't and still don't have the money for an 800 Jul 31 06:47:07 so I stupidly bought the 770 Jul 31 06:47:29 Wzrd2, I don't regret the 770,.. there could be a port out there Jul 31 06:47:32 Wzrd2, if I try it, I will let you know, I am only interested in checking if os2007 works better for DUN with my krzr k1 Jul 31 06:47:54 the issue is, most of these apps are not centralized and some of them are not stable Jul 31 06:47:59 maemopad doesnt support loading a file by path Jul 31 06:48:01 I like the 770 except for the non flash 9 support Jul 31 06:48:15 Vertoo, hmm, I didn't have a problem with that Jul 31 06:48:30 I like how it's small and I can quickly browse the web with it Jul 31 06:48:33 Vertoo, the path is protected I believe, just like how root is protected Jul 31 06:48:36 Wzrd2, I don't know why you hammer yourself over the flash9 issue, flash9 is mainly used for youtube and entertainment purposes, I don't see how that affects you in a terrible manner Jul 31 06:49:07 as a web developer who takes the WAI guidelines seriously, I find flash very horrid Jul 31 06:49:15 I had my desktop off and I forgot I wanted to look at something on the net so I fired up my 770, checked what I needed and then shut it down Jul 31 06:49:17 erstazi, word up Jul 31 06:49:47 cuz I browse web pages which use flash 9 Jul 31 06:49:51 as well as ones that don't Jul 31 06:49:56 that's all Jul 31 06:49:57 also, erstazi , i cant seem to log into root on here. i can ssh to it, but i cant just sudo in Jul 31 06:50:29 Vertoo, you need a few packages, first one is x-terminal (get the advanced one) Jul 31 06:50:39 second is becomeroot so you can type: sudo gainroot Jul 31 06:50:58 make sure you change your passwords for both user and root Jul 31 06:51:20 i have xterm, i think i need become root. where can i get that? Jul 31 06:51:29 maemo.org Jul 31 06:51:29 <_Monkey> somebody said maemo.org was ok here, but garage.maemo.org is down (and has been down for several hours) Jul 31 06:51:38 http://maemo.org Jul 31 06:53:22 Vertoo, do you know how to edit your sources.list? Jul 31 06:54:03 hello nelson and guynux_mamo Jul 31 06:54:09 how are you two? Jul 31 06:54:31 no? Jul 31 06:54:32 <_Monkey> no are solved Jul 31 06:54:42 Vertoo, no what? Jul 31 06:54:48 _Monkey, forget no Jul 31 06:54:49 <_Monkey> erstazi: I forgot no Jul 31 06:55:55 Vertoo, oh nevermind I remember haha, short term memory Jul 31 07:02:49 wth Jul 31 07:03:08 enable rd mode if i want to break my device???? Jul 31 07:03:34 erstazi, whats all this then? Jul 31 07:03:54 Vertoo, for what package? Jul 31 07:04:31 if its becomeroot, they say that because with root you can break your device Jul 31 07:05:48 oh, ok. so am i root now? or do i need to do something? Jul 31 07:05:58 Vertoo, are you in xterm? Jul 31 07:06:08 yes Jul 31 07:06:20 Vertoo, type: sudo gainroot Jul 31 07:06:27 did it Jul 31 07:06:36 now, make sure you change your passwords for both user and root Jul 31 07:06:46 passwd user Jul 31 07:06:59 pw user and pw root? Jul 31 07:07:07 k Jul 31 07:07:59 you may not view or modify the password for root Jul 31 07:08:15 methinks im not logged in as root Jul 31 07:08:28 Vertoo, did you type: sudo gainroot Jul 31 07:09:10 yup Jul 31 07:09:51 ok, ssh to your tablet Jul 31 07:10:01 then type sudo gainroot Jul 31 07:11:18 Vertoo, it should change from $ to # (thats how mine is default) Jul 31 07:13:19 crap Jul 31 07:13:29 i edited my host file Jul 31 07:13:42 and pasted something large in there Jul 31 07:13:58 scrolled up and couldn't find original text Jul 31 07:14:08 so i just closed terminal Jul 31 07:14:20 Vertoo, what editor did you use? Jul 31 07:14:22 checked again. and its blank Jul 31 07:14:26 ok Jul 31 07:14:26 vi Jul 31 07:14:50 yeah, vi requires you do type this: ":w" or ":wq" to save Jul 31 07:14:58 thats without quotes Jul 31 07:15:17 Vertoo, if you ever have that problem again, type ":q!" without quotes Jul 31 07:15:56 that exists you out of vi without saving Jul 31 07:16:01 hosts looks blank though Jul 31 07:16:45 nvm Jul 31 07:16:58 was looking at host not hosts Jul 31 07:17:12 so whats the max line limit? Jul 31 07:17:44 you can change that Jul 31 07:18:01 which tablet do you have? 770 or n800? Jul 31 07:18:41 800 Jul 31 07:19:25 Vertoo, I have a 770 so bare with me, select the menu at the top Jul 31 07:19:32 it says X Terminal Jul 31 07:19:36 and go to settings Jul 31 07:19:39 it should be there Jul 31 07:21:52 got it. its now set to 10000 Jul 31 07:22:34 haha Jul 31 07:22:39 hi Wizzard Jul 31 07:23:11 ok now I am going to sleep Jul 31 07:23:13 night all Jul 31 07:38:09 kaiwai: where do you feel you( or your bugs a)'re being ignored? Jul 31 07:38:14 oops, wrong channel Jul 31 07:41:01 mmm. +s channels eh Jul 31 07:41:52 eh? Jul 31 07:43:37 eh. Jul 31 07:45:15 anyway Jul 31 07:46:51 http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage/ now works Jul 31 07:46:59 in case people want to browse around random garage projects Jul 31 07:47:06 it should have a working text and identifier index Jul 31 07:49:36 and http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/sardine-20070531/ should let you see sources for something similar to the osso platform core Jul 31 07:49:55 the thing there is a pull date, i don't actually pull sardine often Jul 31 08:15:09 good morning Jul 31 08:15:35 Morning, all Jul 31 08:16:57 hi ad-n700, jaffa Jul 31 08:44:11 anyone know of a pyopenssl package ? the irc log mentions one existing once or twice but I can't find it Jul 31 08:47:43 anyone here familiar w/ vpnc? Jul 31 09:02:16 i use vnc on a different platform . . . Jul 31 09:06:15 that's not really related Jul 31 09:55:44 hi. Is it possible to install the latest maemo OS on the 770? Jul 31 09:56:02 no Jul 31 09:56:17 but there's a hacker edition of the latest maemo os that will work on the 770 Jul 31 09:56:24 Ok, so I forget the $150 770 I found... Jul 31 09:56:28 it's available from garage Jul 31 09:57:44 I would like a n800 but it's too expensive. My wife said "you already want the next Neo1973 in October, don't you think it's enough ?" sigh Jul 31 09:59:41 you're not alone :) Jul 31 10:12:58 ok, http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/ no longer hides garage/sardine Jul 31 10:25:55 the n800 is already more then I can hanle there are so many possibilities Jul 31 10:26:31 but yes Neo is sexy, Jul 31 10:34:25 the e17 /edj on screen keyboard is the next code I want to touch . I will try to improve usability Jul 31 10:34:44 for who misted it http://blog.gustavobarbieri.com.br/2007/07/24/iphone-like-virtual-keyboard-for-n800/ Jul 31 10:55:15 Anyone tried installing geoclue? Jul 31 10:55:37 lardman: there was something difficult about installing it right? Jul 31 10:56:48 Supposedly it requires dpkg, thoug it all installed fine using the package manager for me Jul 31 10:57:15 from the downloaded files, not from the list in package manager that is as the ones in the list are supposed to be old Jul 31 10:57:33 But I can't get the statusbar applet to load, so nothing seems to work Jul 31 10:57:42 Any ideas how to debug statusbar applets? Jul 31 10:58:40 lardman, gdb /usr/bin/maemo-summoner /usr/bin/maemo_af_desktop.launch Jul 31 10:59:03 lardman, or hildon-desktop.launch, if running chinook/sardine Jul 31 10:59:19 inz: Will that load while the statusbar is already running? Jul 31 11:02:10 btw my browser stopped working :( Jul 31 11:05:19 hmm interesting, it's started the desktop again, I've now got two Jul 31 11:05:40 uurgh, can't ctrl-c out of it as half the onscreen kb is obscured Jul 31 11:08:43 inz: I couldn't see anything relating to applets in there, not sure if it's happy loading them twice Jul 31 11:13:34 lardman, it should be, dunno though Jul 31 11:14:03 not to worry, crashed the desktop when I closed the second one anyway, I should have piped the output of the command Jul 31 11:17:19 lardman, I'd suggest ssh'ing in for debugging ;) Jul 31 11:18:54 inz: I'll try that, my battery's just gone flat so it'll have to wait 'till this evening Jul 31 11:20:24 Shame the output from the desktop components isn't piped somewhere for people to look at Jul 31 11:21:03 Opie had something like that so you could see what had gone wrong without needing to work out what to run again Jul 31 11:21:15 anyone know which companies arrange maemo training in finland? Jul 31 11:21:36 lardman: try installing syslog or compile the desktop by yourself (without maemo launcher) Jul 31 11:22:44 kulve: The desktop components write to syslog? good good Jul 31 11:22:55 hi, how can i start browser in fullscreen mode? (from console or from menu?) Jul 31 11:23:06 can be do that from dbus? Jul 31 11:23:14 thank in advance Jul 31 11:24:29 lardman: I don't think they directly use syslog, but they seem to end up there any way.. Jul 31 11:24:59 geaaru: try searching in the mailing list archive. You are not the first one wondering about that.. Jul 31 11:25:00 kulve: Okay, as long as the output's there I might be able to work out what's wrong. Thanks for the tip Jul 31 11:25:48 kulve: i try. Jul 31 11:25:52 ty Jul 31 11:26:03 cosmo: movial does, afaik Jul 31 11:26:24 cosmo: http://movial.fi/en/device_creation/Movial_Linux_Trainings/#maemo-gnome-programming Jul 31 11:41:08 zeenix: thanks Jul 31 11:41:51 tieturi seems to organize also one in october Jul 31 12:18:22 /wg #openmoko Jul 31 12:18:27 gah Jul 31 12:44:00 hi, how do i type an escape without a hardware keyboard? Jul 31 12:45:56 anyone? Jul 31 12:45:58 on n800 (in xterm) its the key just under the dpad Jul 31 12:47:23 ok. what is the dpad? Jul 31 12:47:45 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dpad Jul 31 12:48:02 thanks Jul 31 12:49:09 what do we call that key anyway? Jul 31 12:49:23 Back/Escape Jul 31 12:49:57 ah, makes sense :) Jul 31 12:50:28 ah, not on the keyboard Jul 31 12:50:43 yeah, its actually one of the buttons Jul 31 12:51:10 yay, i just wrote hello world! Jul 31 13:11:34 Anyone tried the Motorola HT820's with Kagu? Jul 31 13:18:39 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2139871356260128038 Jul 31 13:18:40 :) Jul 31 13:19:32 <||cw> http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/30/tenacious-hacker-brings-the-iphone-keyboard-to-a-nokia-n800/ Jul 31 13:19:37 <||cw> anyone tried that yet? Jul 31 13:19:45 tried DR16 yesterday...too confusing! Jul 31 13:20:05 yeh 17 is more along the lines of a DE Jul 31 13:20:06 ||cw: gustavo did it =-) Jul 31 13:20:13 <||cw> yeah, article says Jul 31 13:20:31 he's from indt, so its gonna take some time until we see it Jul 31 13:20:45 <||cw> srtical says brazil Jul 31 13:20:48 but im sure they will release it as soon as they can Jul 31 13:20:58 <||cw> indt? Jul 31 13:20:58 <_Monkey> i think indt is a nokia research center in brazil. They distribute a vmware image of Ubuntu Feisty with the N800 development environment already installed Jul 31 13:21:03 <||cw> ah ok Jul 31 13:21:17 <||cw> think it'll work on the 770 too? Jul 31 13:21:26 maybe Jul 31 13:21:28 its python Jul 31 13:21:36 there is no reason for it to not run Jul 31 13:21:54 im on it! Jul 31 13:22:39 Oh snap! its using edje :D Jul 31 13:22:41 NeoStrider, ||cw: gustavo is me Jul 31 13:23:07 hey gustavo! k-s[WORK] Jul 31 13:23:14 sumido =-P Jul 31 13:23:27 <||cw> cool, hope this works out to be releasable Jul 31 13:23:32 _Monkey: we also do Canola, Carman, Mamona, ... Jul 31 13:23:32 <_Monkey> k-s[WORK]: huh? Jul 31 13:23:47 k-s[WORK]: _Monkey is a bot Jul 31 13:24:36 ||cw: no 770, I compiled with -march=arm1136j-s Jul 31 13:24:47 k-s[WORK] (or other INDt folk): is there an ETA on the new Canola? All these new features sound wonderful (even if some of them are re-inventing GeoClue), but it sounds an awful lot like Second System Syndrome Jul 31 13:25:42 Jaffa: it may look like a SSS, but it's not Jul 31 13:25:55 ||cw, the development environment for n770 is in the vmware image too Jul 31 13:25:59 Jaffa: we do not aim to replace the system, but do have a "multimedia mode" for it Jul 31 13:26:47 Jaffa: we'll never have PIM or Office for instance... possible not browser or text-RSS that soon Jul 31 13:27:08 _Monkey, indt =~ /intalled/installed. They also do Canola, Carman, Mamona.../ Jul 31 13:27:08 <_Monkey> Hmm. No matches for that, inz. Jul 31 13:27:12 Jaffa: neither management (reorganize your media, add contacts, ...) Jul 31 13:27:16 _Monkey, indt =~ /installed/installed. They also do Canola, Carman, Mamona.../ Jul 31 13:27:16 <_Monkey> Hmm. No matches for that, inz. Jul 31 13:27:21 bleh Jul 31 13:27:22 nm Jul 31 13:27:31 _Monkey, indt =~ s/installed/installed. They also do Canola, Carman, Mamona.../ Jul 31 13:27:32 <_Monkey> OK, inz Jul 31 13:27:36 ahh Jul 31 13:27:48 hello NeoStrider Jul 31 13:28:14 hello erstazi Jul 31 13:28:36 k-s[WORK]: OK, cool. I understood the reasons for switching from SDL (very sensible) and the GeoClue-like stuff sounds very cool. But now I'm impatient and want some fresh bling :-) Jul 31 13:28:39 _Monkey, indt Jul 31 13:28:39 <_Monkey> somebody said indt was a nokia research center in brazil. They distribute a vmware image of Ubuntu Feisty with the N800 development environment already installed. They also do Canola, Carman, Mamona... Jul 31 13:28:48 good Jul 31 13:29:04 Jaffa: so compile e17 there and start hacking :-) Jul 31 13:29:26 Jaffa: kenne and I wrote a tutorial at e17 wiki, it was posted on OSnews the other day Jul 31 13:30:02 http://wiki.enlightenment.org/index.php/Creating_Edje_User_Interfaces Jul 31 13:30:04 isnt blackbox a better aproach? Jul 31 13:30:18 NeoStrider: not that much Jul 31 13:30:28 and I'm not suggesting e17 as wm, but their libs Jul 31 13:30:35 ahhhhh Jul 31 13:30:42 hildon desktop/matchbox is fine so far Jul 31 13:30:44 elibs looks VERY COOL Jul 31 13:36:13 Jaffa: as for previews of Canola/Carman/... it will take some time, we're working on the infrastructure Jul 31 13:36:35 Jaffa: I was writing these demos to explore features of EFL, fixing bugs, implementing missing features Jul 31 13:37:54 k-s[WORK]: that iphone keyboard was just a cool demo or it will integrate a product? Jul 31 13:37:58 Jaffa: kenne is writing current UI Jul 31 13:38:13 Jaffa: Ryback_ is working with Models and Controllers in python Jul 31 13:38:22 I may join Ryback_ in this taks soon Jul 31 13:39:08 etrunko and andrunko will work on etk, so we can remove the damn web-ui Jul 31 13:40:00 that's me Jul 31 13:41:11 opa Jul 31 13:41:14 ;) Jul 31 13:42:13 name clashes! =-P Jul 31 13:42:40 or just a similaritie? Jul 31 13:42:44 nah..nevermind Jul 31 13:44:08 Jaffa: I am working with lsobral at the media engine infraestructure.. Jul 31 13:44:47 Jaffa: as you can see, need to put pieces together :-) Jul 31 13:44:53 wow...lots of indt people in less than 10 minutes! Jul 31 13:45:02 I hope that this will make it much better than first canola Jul 31 13:47:00 NeoStrider: sure, our paid work require us to join #maemo, so... Jul 31 13:50:34 hi, just installed maemo but can't get 'apt-get update' to work it complains: Could not resolve 'repository.maemo.org' Jul 31 13:51:10 but I can: wget repository.maemo.org, just fine Jul 31 13:51:16 i'm puzzled Jul 31 13:52:00 The (in)famous /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf Jul 31 13:53:41 http://maemo-hackers.org/wiki/MaemoFaq/AptGetFailsToDownload Jul 31 13:53:50 It isn't too verbose or anything though ;) Jul 31 13:58:49 _Handful__: what a miracle! Jul 31 13:59:03 indt meeting over IRC? =-P Jul 31 13:59:32 <_Handful__> =) Jul 31 14:16:43 Can a Python hacker tell me how I can instantiate a class from a variable name? E.g. class is called yacas_plugin and I want to read this string from a file and create a class instance Jul 31 14:17:32 lardman: you read the module from disk Jul 31 14:17:41 lardman: you look up the symbol in the module's dict Jul 31 14:17:50 lardman: and you store that to a variable Jul 31 14:18:03 lardman: then you instantiate an instance by doing my_instance = klazz() Jul 31 14:18:11 (assuming klazz is the variable name for the class) Jul 31 14:18:28 * mgedmin prefers cls, although pep8 recommends class_ Jul 31 14:18:32 thomasvs: Yes, I'll read the module name to load the module, but I don;t know what the class name will be before I read the file Jul 31 14:18:57 lardman: when do you know the class name then ? Jul 31 14:18:58 import module; cls = getattr(module, 'classname') Jul 31 14:19:12 mgedmin: Thanks Jul 31 14:19:19 thomasvs: I'll read it from a conf file Jul 31 14:19:30 usually it's a better idea to have a mapping of names to classes Jul 31 14:19:48 module names to classes? Jul 31 14:20:11 I'll explain what I'm up to... Jul 31 14:20:14 plugins = {'myplugin1': module1.MyPluginClass, 'myplugin2': module2.MyOtherPlugin} Jul 31 14:21:25 I'm writing a calculator frontend for which I want to have different backends, the current backend name will be stored in a conf file, and I'll subclass a class pycalc_plugin to provide input/output/info methods. So for yacas I'll have a class called yacas_plugin Jul 31 14:22:02 which is a subclass of pycalc_plugin, so I can always call the same methods. I just need to know how to instantiate the class in the first place Jul 31 14:22:38 I could always use the same class name, and only load one backend at a time, but I'd like to be able to have more than one loaded, so they need different names. Does that make sense? Jul 31 14:23:13 I think so, yes Jul 31 14:23:31 by the way, setuptools has entry points which is intended to solve this exact problem, I think Jul 31 14:23:43 Okay, I'll take a look Jul 31 14:23:50 http://peak.telecommunity.com/DevCenter/setuptools Jul 31 14:23:51 * lardman needs to read more of his Python book Jul 31 14:24:18 on a low Python level you probably want to get the name of the plugin module in a variable, __import__() it, then get some attribute inside Jul 31 14:24:49 e.g. plugin = __import__(plugin_module).get_plugin() Jul 31 14:25:08 I've seen the __import__() method and that's what I plan to use Jul 31 14:25:25 what will be in plugin? Will that be a class instance? Jul 31 14:25:26 if you want to support packages (i.e. if plugin_module can be a dotted name like 'foo.bar.mymodule') then you need to wave a dead chicken over it: Jul 31 14:25:47 no, it needn't be anything more than a simple name Jul 31 14:25:54 plugin = __import__(plugin_module, {}, {}, ('*', )).get_plugin() Jul 31 14:26:32 but setuptools and Python eggs are where the future lies, apparently Jul 31 14:26:46 ah, so get_plugin() is a non-class method that returns an instance of the class? Jul 31 14:29:02 inz: sorry for the lag. but my nsswitch.conf was already correct with 'hosts: files dns' and I can use wget inside scratchbox Jul 31 14:30:15 mgedmin: thanks for the help Jul 31 14:31:08 re the get_plugin function: this is Python, you can decide on whatever you want Jul 31 14:31:18 you could require the plugins to define a class named 'Plugin' Jul 31 14:31:30 i was just looking at the nokia 770 and cant really find an answer to this Jul 31 14:31:33 or you could split the string from your config file into a module name and the class name Jul 31 14:31:40 and use getattr on the module object that __import__ returns Jul 31 14:31:48 is it feasible to use the device to listen to mp3s stored on a flash card without issue Jul 31 14:32:03 amr: yes Jul 31 14:32:06 and to watch avi files (im happy encoding them, thats no issue) Jul 31 14:32:14 also yes, if you reencode them Jul 31 14:32:17 excellent Jul 31 14:32:44 so i wont have issues with the video/audio being out of sync or having sluggish playback? Jul 31 14:33:00 that depends on how you encode the videos Jul 31 14:33:19 how do you mean Jul 31 14:33:40 that's the point of reencoding: most videos out there require more cpu power than the 770 has Jul 31 14:33:52 yeah Jul 31 14:34:09 what would i need to encode to Jul 31 14:35:05 there's a script somewhere, called 770 encode, I think Jul 31 14:35:27 think i may have it Jul 31 14:35:29 I've used it once out of interest (reencoding is just too much hassle, so I prefer watching videos on my laptop) Jul 31 14:35:30 i have seen it before Jul 31 14:35:31 http://www.bleb.org/software/770/770-encode.pl:source ? Jul 31 14:35:35 on the applicationcatalog Jul 31 14:35:43 I think so Jul 31 14:36:24 rtcm, and that was /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf? (i.e. not the target's /etc/nsswitch.conf) Jul 31 14:36:26 i was looking at mp3 players of a similar price and thought i may as well pick one of these up Jul 31 14:36:29 seeing as i get so much more Jul 31 14:37:17 hola Jul 31 14:39:05 "hola" =-0 Jul 31 14:39:06 =-) Jul 31 14:39:27 'media converter' the java application looks pretty handy Jul 31 14:39:43 i imagine maemo mpeg4 would be the best format? Jul 31 14:39:45 hello xd Jul 31 14:39:58 inz: ah ok, didn't notice they were different Jul 31 14:40:01 inz: thanks! Jul 31 14:40:09 I actually got good fps with plain mpeg Jul 31 14:40:14 whats good fps Jul 31 14:40:22 fluent Jul 31 14:40:28 oh, cool Jul 31 14:40:32 dont know the exact fps Jul 31 14:40:39 with mplayer, some avi works good too Jul 31 14:40:48 but 3gpp is always the best Jul 31 14:40:53 so trying to watch a recorded tv episode isnt a lost cause Jul 31 14:41:01 no...not really Jul 31 14:41:05 excellent Jul 31 14:41:15 it comes with some videos indeed Jul 31 14:42:38 it comes with a .avi video Jul 31 14:42:56 do you have a 770 too? Jul 31 14:42:58 amr: 770-encode is my favourite - but I'm biased :) Jul 31 14:43:04 yeah Jul 31 14:43:12 Jaffa, haha, how come you say that? Jul 31 14:43:23 NeoStrider, whats the battery life like realistically? Jul 31 14:43:48 how much does it suck down battery listening to mp3s or watching vids or playing games Jul 31 14:43:50 amr: hum...I cant really measure, as my home WIFI is out...but I usually get a couple of days Jul 31 14:44:01 what I dont really know Jul 31 14:44:08 I dont use it for anything but debugging Jul 31 14:44:19 (debugging 3D games...very demanding) Jul 31 14:44:19 oh right, no wonder you get so long then lol Jul 31 14:44:24 oh Jul 31 14:44:33 also, I usb a lot Jul 31 14:44:40 so this takes power too Jul 31 14:45:02 thats cool battery life Jul 31 14:45:03 <||cw> last I tried, 2-3 hours doing web browsing and mp3 streaming Jul 31 14:45:03 I would risk saying 3 days, with proeminent use of offline mode and standby Jul 31 14:45:12 I use it on short bursts of intense use Jul 31 14:45:21 which would be worse, continuous wifi usage or continuous mp3 playing Jul 31 14:45:27 or video playing Jul 31 14:45:28 wifi Jul 31 14:45:41 wifi is both demanding and heating Jul 31 14:45:50 oh thats ok then Jul 31 14:45:59 as long as i get enough battery life to last my plane journey im happy :P Jul 31 14:46:01 I dont listen to music on it often Jul 31 14:46:02 wifi definitely Jul 31 14:46:17 what devices do you all have? Jul 31 14:46:18 I listen to stream from slimserver on another computer Jul 31 14:46:18 but I still do sometimes Jul 31 14:46:23 I have a 770 Jul 31 14:46:27 770 too Jul 31 14:46:40 with the lastest revision OS Jul 31 14:46:47 Maemo 2.2 Jul 31 14:46:50 oh cool Jul 31 14:47:00 is the interface as bad as ive heard? Jul 31 14:47:00 and u , erstazi? Jul 31 14:47:05 not really Jul 31 14:47:09 quite good indeed Jul 31 14:47:17 but I do use more x-terminal Jul 31 14:47:18 sweet im definitely ordering one of these Jul 31 14:47:25 it worth Jul 31 14:47:56 i may have to buy a couple of 1gb rs-mmc's Jul 31 14:48:23 I got a 512 mb Jul 31 14:48:29 <||cw> the interface a just different. once you get how it works, it's pretty good Jul 31 14:48:30 works very well Jul 31 14:49:09 If you order this product before 4pm today, UK customers could expect delivery tomorrow morning. Jul 31 14:49:11 oops Jul 31 14:49:12 sorry Jul 31 14:49:17 the default theme is somewhat ugly (purple and gray...but the orange one is very sexy) Jul 31 14:49:24 NeoStrider, I haven't updated the OS yet Jul 31 14:49:30 mistral? Jul 31 14:49:31 <_Monkey> i heard mistral was a N770 distro, gregale is N800 oriented Jul 31 14:49:31 lol Jul 31 14:49:36 I use the teal Jul 31 14:49:44 im getting the 770 + 1gb card for ?77 Jul 31 14:49:46 NeoStrider, yes Jul 31 14:49:52 i hope im not being ripped off :P Jul 31 14:49:56 ah...good...but has some nasty bugs Jul 31 14:49:59 amr, wait Jul 31 14:50:08 for ?85, actually Jul 31 14:50:08 amr, what currency? Jul 31 14:50:11 GBP Jul 31 14:50:16 ah Jul 31 14:50:21 good/bad ? Jul 31 14:50:40 $173 USD Jul 31 14:50:53 including a card? Jul 31 14:51:12 you are paying $24 USD over what I paid with a 1gb (free shipping) Jul 31 14:51:22 amr, $173 USD including card Jul 31 14:51:32 sounds good for me Jul 31 14:51:39 and for you guys? Jul 31 14:51:49 11,77 GBP Jul 31 14:51:55 more Jul 31 14:52:03 how much is shipping to the UK though Jul 31 14:52:07 but thats probably for shipping and maybe the 770 is more in your market Jul 31 14:52:14 amr: cos I wrote 770-encode.pl :) Jul 31 14:52:19 173 is ?84 Jul 31 14:52:21 amr, I don't know that, I was just doing some math conversions for currency Jul 31 14:52:24 so im paying ?1 over :P Jul 31 14:52:29 no Jul 31 14:52:32 Jaffa, ah, that would make you biased then :P Jul 31 14:52:37 you are paying 11.77 GBP Jul 31 14:52:51 over Jul 31 14:53:00 you paid 150? Jul 31 14:53:27 I paid $129.99 USD (buy.com) Jul 31 14:53:44 oh Jul 31 14:53:45 or 63.75 british pounds Jul 31 14:53:50 well i feel conned Jul 31 14:53:55 don't Jul 31 14:54:00 because buy.com had a deal going on Jul 31 14:54:03 ah Jul 31 14:54:04 so I saved $10 Jul 31 14:54:08 and free shipping for the 770 Jul 31 14:54:13 and 1gb rs-mmc Jul 31 14:54:25 ah lol Jul 31 14:54:31 amr, its all about deals, ebay was way too expensive so I jumped at buy.com Jul 31 14:54:49 if i order in 6 minutes Jul 31 14:54:51 i get it tomorrow morning Jul 31 14:55:18 there were sellers on ebay charging $20 USD or 9.80 GBP for shipping Jul 31 14:55:22 crazy Jul 31 14:55:59 rofl Jul 31 14:56:06 mega crazy Jul 31 14:56:14 ordered :) Jul 31 14:56:19 \o/ Jul 31 14:56:25 amr, maemo.org is your friend Jul 31 14:56:28 :-) Jul 31 14:56:41 and of course, the wonderful people in this channel Jul 31 14:56:59 of course Jul 31 14:57:16 ok time to run to the shop, shall be back in 10 minutes Jul 31 14:57:42 1tb external drive for $229.. that's not bad, is it? Jul 31 14:58:06 whaq_: do you need all this stuff? Jul 31 14:58:07 whaq_, back about 4 years ago, I paid $400 for a 120gb internal Jul 31 14:58:17 be bak Jul 31 14:58:21 s/bak/back Jul 31 14:58:32 why correct, bak sounds terminatorish Jul 31 14:58:51 NeoStrider: i didn't *need* to eat the fillet mignon last night, but it sure was nice :] Jul 31 14:58:52 well, my father's side is Austrian... Jul 31 14:58:55 wait what Jul 31 14:59:02 it says order before 4 Jul 31 14:59:09 erstazi: well, yeah.. but comparatively speaking of the current market i mean. Jul 31 14:59:10 yet on my order status page it says Estimated 11 Days Jul 31 14:59:14 oh dear... Jul 31 14:59:33 whaq_, that was my point, with the market of just 4 years ago, $229 for a 1tb is nothing Jul 31 14:59:38 its like cheese slices Jul 31 14:59:54 the new gets moldy real quick if not refrigerated Jul 31 15:00:07 wait, that didn't make sense,... ok gtg Jul 31 15:00:15 har har Jul 31 15:00:20 take care Jul 31 15:00:27 cya Jul 31 15:06:24 oh dear Jul 31 15:06:34 cancelled the order Jul 31 15:06:35 what? Jul 31 15:06:37 it will take 11 days Jul 31 15:06:42 oh god... Jul 31 15:06:43 i go on holiday in 10 :P Jul 31 15:06:54 have to find another site Jul 31 15:12:09 amr are you looking at expansys? Jul 31 15:12:18 yes Jul 31 15:12:22 how did you guess Jul 31 15:12:54 it's the only 'global' deal around for around that price, i'd reckon.. Jul 31 15:13:00 they have expansys.com.sg also for apac Jul 31 15:13:28 im ordering from play.com now Jul 31 15:13:39 should be here on the 2nd Jul 31 15:16:01 gtg Jul 31 15:16:05 lunch and work Jul 31 15:16:08 cya fellows Jul 31 15:16:39 is there a difference between mmc-mobile Jul 31 15:16:41 and rs-mmc Jul 31 15:16:50 amr: how much at play? Jul 31 15:17:17 don't know. i'm waiting for my n800s, i don't want to deal with mmc cards. Jul 31 15:17:27 79.99 shipped for the unit Jul 31 15:17:42 more than i wanted to pay but im not really bothered Jul 31 15:20:21 fair enough Jul 31 15:20:26 when will it get to ya? Jul 31 15:21:00 on the 2nd Jul 31 15:21:02 so 2 days Jul 31 15:26:20 do i actually need to do anything to my 770 when i get it Jul 31 15:26:24 load hacked firmware or kernels or what have you Jul 31 15:26:29 good deal Jul 31 15:26:57 suppose update it to latest IT2006 OS if it does not already have it Jul 31 15:26:58 hm? Jul 31 15:27:02 ok Jul 31 15:31:19 amr: expansys.nl still has some Jul 31 15:32:47 more expensive though Jul 31 15:33:16 ~?113 :-( Jul 31 15:33:20 ty though Jul 31 15:33:58 yeah Jul 31 15:34:09 that's why I bought mine in the uk shop Jul 31 15:34:16 (and it got shipped from marseille) Jul 31 15:35:11 lol Jul 31 15:36:23 crap. Xournal doesn't work in the new firmware. The cursor shows up, but nothing gets written to the canvas. Jul 31 15:38:52 hi, how can i disable autoconnecting features when i try to use web browser (also for localhost)? Jul 31 15:39:19 unique311: how's the theme coming? Jul 31 15:39:28 \s/features/feature Jul 31 15:43:43 geaaru: you need do define a dummy connection Jul 31 15:43:56 trevarthan/unique311: a pretty Kagu theme? Jul 31 15:45:06 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/B003-AA-Battery-Charger-for-Nokia-770-9500-3155i-5500_W0QQitemZ260144764907QQihZ016QQcategoryZ20368QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Jul 31 15:45:09 haha, how cool is that Jul 31 15:46:14 Jaffa: yeah. Jul 31 15:46:48 I think unique is working on a dark theme. Jul 31 15:48:56 yes, but without define a dummy connection it's possible? Jul 31 15:49:59 trevarthan: cool, does Kagu have a "now playing" view with iPod-like prettiness? Something Canola does a lot better than UKMP IMHO. Jul 31 15:51:07 <||cw> amr: almost as cool as the tractable usb charger i got Jul 31 15:51:38 how do I resolve this Error, the DISPLAY environment variable is not defined. Jul 31 15:51:53 af-sb-init.sh start Jul 31 15:51:58 when i run that Jul 31 15:53:03 Jaffa: It has nowplaying, but I can't comment on the prettiness. Install it for yourself and find out. Jul 31 15:53:49 I'm not a graphics artist. I'm a programmer. That's why we're looking for graphics artists from the community to step up and create new themes for Kagu. Jul 31 15:55:08 that reminds me... I really aught to update the screenshots. they aren't current... Jul 31 15:55:27 what's the url, trevarthan? Jul 31 15:55:57 kagu is http://maemo.org/downloads/product/kagu Jul 31 15:56:01 kagu? Jul 31 15:56:02 <_Monkey> kagu is a complete rewrite of ukmp with a strong focus on object oriented design and a2dp support. You can find it here: https://www.guardiani.us/projects/kagu Jul 31 15:56:13 forget kagu Jul 31 15:56:14 <_Monkey> trevarthan: I forgot kagu Jul 31 15:56:35 kagu is http://maemo.org/downloads/product/kagu Jul 31 15:56:44 kagu? Jul 31 15:56:44 <_Monkey> well, kagu is http://maemo.org/downloads/product/kagu Jul 31 15:56:56 goodmonkey Jul 31 15:56:57 <_Monkey> goodmonkey is a good _Monkey who gets a biscuit. Jul 31 16:00:39 hello Jul 31 16:07:20 ok, thanks Jul 31 16:11:17 hi again Jul 31 16:17:41 ~morning!~ Jul 31 16:18:25 pupnik: afternoon! Jul 31 16:18:51 It sucks that time is different all over the world. I'm not sure if I'll ever come to terms with that. Jul 31 16:21:29 i'm in CET :P Jul 31 16:21:52 EDT Jul 31 16:23:10 in TZ=VladDrac, it's always 5 o'clock Jul 31 16:24:06 hello Jul 31 16:24:19 we can overcome the timezone problem Jul 31 16:24:32 if everyone can just pick a single continent to live in, and evacuate the rest Jul 31 16:24:54 lol Jul 31 16:25:14 one time zone of one continent Jul 31 16:25:16 I guess that means we all need to hop over to finland. Jul 31 16:25:40 come to the UK Jul 31 16:25:43 everyone else does :-( Jul 31 16:26:25 I just want to go to some other continent some time. I can't seem to find a good excuse. :) My wife doesn't think that Robo-1 competitions are worthy. Jul 31 16:26:50 lol Jul 31 16:27:08 the n800 and 770 shines the most during traveling Jul 31 16:27:24 trevarthan: you're using Motorola S9's IIRC? Jul 31 16:27:28 unless you're going somewhere really, really rural. Jul 31 16:27:31 Jaffa: yeah Jul 31 16:27:47 hey guys. i got a question for you. Has anyone been able to use bluetooth to connect to the treo 650 to use the internet? Jul 31 16:28:13 hi nate12o6, would you like to get to know us better before trying to suck on our collective wisdom? Jul 31 16:28:27 not really Jul 31 16:28:32 ;P Jul 31 16:28:32 lol Jul 31 16:28:40 nate12o6: tried this? http://www.engadget.com/2004/11/22/first-treo-650-hack-enable-the-bluetooth-dial-up-networking/ Jul 31 16:28:58 just did a quick search for "treo 650 dialup profile bluetooth" on google. Jul 31 16:29:10 or on internettablettalk.com forum Jul 31 16:29:17 well when i connect it tells me that the only service i have is dial networking. but how to i access it on the 650? Jul 31 16:29:36 shouldn't have to. Jul 31 16:29:42 not on the 650. i ment on the 770 Jul 31 16:29:47 are there any good syncing programs that work with a mac? Jul 31 16:29:50 ah Jul 31 16:29:52 so I can sync my calendar for example Jul 31 16:30:29 nate12o6: put your 650 in pairing mode, then go to control panel -> phones? (not sure the exact link) and see if it finds it. Jul 31 16:30:57 it does. Jul 31 16:31:00 it connects just fine Jul 31 16:31:10 amr, if not directly, you can sync (both the mac and) the tablet to gcal Jul 31 16:31:16 do i not need to do anything in connections or something? Jul 31 16:31:18 ah yes Jul 31 16:31:22 good point Jul 31 16:31:23 to access internet Jul 31 16:31:29 nate12o6: no, it should just work after that. open a browser. Jul 31 16:31:29 can you do that natively on the 770? Jul 31 16:31:36 i forget if it has calendar features built in or not Jul 31 16:31:38 oh ok. Jul 31 16:31:44 thanks! Jul 31 16:31:47 trevarthan: know a good place to buy 'em cheap? Or any comment on how good they are/if they're usable with glasses? Jul 31 16:31:52 nate12o6: it works? Jul 31 16:31:54 there's a gcal syncing util for gpe.. ermi.. something Jul 31 16:32:03 lol Jul 31 16:32:06 thanks Jul 31 16:32:13 i am inside of a building right now. i will have to test at lunch Jul 31 16:32:53 Jaffa: no idea about cheap: I can comment plenty on usability though. No, they're *NOT* comfy with glasses. You can't lay down with them on. They pinch a bit. And the reception really sucks sometimes. Jul 31 16:33:19 trevarthan: fair enough. Jul 31 16:33:20 The manual says to keep the transmitter above your waist line. How the heck are you gonna do that with an n800? Jul 31 16:33:38 Don't seem to be any which are any good for glasses-wearers :-( Jul 31 16:33:40 ok, i want to share how i got an offline flickr uploader going Jul 31 16:33:56 extremely stupid: Jul 31 16:34:04 Jaffa: I put mine in my backpack over the weekend for a quick jog. That worked OK, but who wants to carry a backpack to run? Jul 31 16:34:14 i set up a special gmail account. i set the mail client to talk to it. i upload via email Jul 31 16:34:25 xcd Jul 31 16:34:51 Jaffa: I mainly use my s9 headset at my desk at work. Works great there. Plug in the n800, wireless freedom, lightweight. They're just not very good for running, IMO. Jul 31 16:35:14 the s9 looks the best amongst other bt headsets though Jul 31 16:35:28 whaq_: I agree. Jul 31 16:35:38 most of the others can double as princess-leia headgear during halloween Jul 31 16:35:45 lol Jul 31 16:35:55 trevarthan: how long does the battery last? Jul 31 16:36:06 I think the next gen of a2dp headsets will be great. :) Hopefully they all go the lightweight route. Jul 31 16:36:15 whaq_: about 8 hours. Jul 31 16:36:21 perfect for a work day Jul 31 16:36:25 that's really decent Jul 31 16:36:33 n800 dies way before the headset unless you plug it in. Jul 31 16:37:20 honestly, if they improved the reception so it didn't cut out when I'm running, the s9 would be perfect. Jul 31 16:37:35 can you sit comfortably w/ the thing on? Jul 31 16:38:46 i mean, relax and rest your head back.. on trips and such (car, train, plane). Jul 31 16:39:29 trevarthan, i'm working Jul 31 16:39:40 trying to come up with some descent colors.. Jul 31 16:40:04 and oh i gave up on that whole transparency pink think.. Jul 31 16:44:36 unique311: any mockups? Jul 31 16:48:23 trevarthan, its not a dark theme, considering this was my first shot at trying to theme, i wen with a light colors. all i did really was change some icons and trying to use color that works nice with gradient. Jul 31 16:49:50 the theme i will send you will not be the final. If you don't mind the way i went about doing it....I'll provide something better. Jul 31 16:53:06 i just realized clothes are 'themes' Jul 31 16:53:45 hmm Jul 31 16:53:56 how often does the audio player 'hiccup' when playing music? Jul 31 16:54:05 ive read a few reviews and theyve all said that happened occasionally Jul 31 16:54:21 Aloha! Jul 31 16:54:21 <_Monkey> Guten Tag, sbaturzio! Jul 31 16:54:25 although they didnt say whether it was locally stored or streamed from the internet Jul 31 16:55:05 amr: I think it happens when the "automatically look for wlans to connect to" timeout triggers. Jul 31 16:55:24 pupnik, i didn't think theme was hard..but i was wrong Jul 31 16:55:49 jaffa..no mockup..not changing layout of things.. Jul 31 16:56:25 anyone have any luck with getting on LEAP wireless with a 770? Jul 31 17:29:01 trevarthan, disq: I saw you guys released kagu Jul 31 17:29:12 any of you looked at EFL already? Jul 31 17:29:48 does RAM take much energy for embedded devices? Jul 31 17:29:54 dram? Jul 31 17:31:50 It's a non-trivial amount. Jul 31 17:32:05 It's certainly not the biggest drain on the battery. Jul 31 17:32:34 how much ram do you think would make sense for a 'N900'? Jul 31 17:33:19 pupnik: same as N800, i'd guess Jul 31 17:33:37 I'd like twice as much. Jul 31 17:33:59 Battle for Wesnoth wouldn't run until I enabled the swap file. Jul 31 17:34:14 well, its all a trade off on operating time/cost and power Jul 31 17:34:36 Well, consider how much operating time you can save if you had enough RAM for a real file cache. Jul 31 17:34:48 Instead of having to pull off the compressed file system all the time. Jul 31 17:34:50 do you know if there are chipsets that can 'turn on' a second bank of RAM only when needed? Jul 31 17:34:58 pupnik: Yes. I've heard of such things. Jul 31 17:35:00 pupnik: it's possible Jul 31 17:35:12 pupnik: the problem is doing it with linux Jul 31 17:35:21 defragging ram is slightly non-trivial Jul 31 17:35:27 Hotswapping RAM in Linux is new. Jul 31 17:35:44 I believe there's current support (possibly not yet in mainline) for _adding_ RAM. Jul 31 17:35:50 Not so much removing it yet. Jul 31 17:35:52 and its pretty designed for Big Iron Jul 31 17:36:01 would configuring it through swap / vm make any sense? Jul 31 17:36:03 Yeah, NUMA architectures and such. Jul 31 17:36:17 A ramdisk of swap? Jul 31 17:36:27 just a thought Jul 31 17:36:36 Well, how would the kernel address it? Jul 31 17:37:30 it would 'swap out' memory to ram, which is ugly i guess Jul 31 17:37:47 Yeah, but I mean, how does it write the page? Jul 31 17:37:58 You still have to have a kernel piece that knows how to do that. Jul 31 17:38:23 Possibly simpler than defragging RAM, but the latter I know someone is already working on. Jul 31 17:38:47 k-s[WORK]: just got back from lunch. Jul 31 17:38:48 ah. well treating it as a filesystem already works Jul 31 17:39:58 k-s[WORK]: ok. I think disq took a look at edje a few days ago. Same thing, right? Jul 31 17:40:21 Hi all, is there any difference between create a rootfs image to n800 and n770? I'm using this procedure: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/modifyingrootimage/ without success. Jul 31 17:41:05 well 256MB would be really nice. puts the device in a class where a lot more desktop style apps have breathing room Jul 31 17:41:16 vivijim: what is the problem you're experiencing? Jul 31 17:41:24 pupnik: I agree. Jul 31 17:41:29 and considering how bloated webpages are now Jul 31 17:41:50 pupnik: no kidding. I run out of ram just browsing to a few sites. :) Jul 31 17:42:32 Ryback_: This tutorial is for n770 but I'm trying to generate a jffs2 image to n800. I'm mounting the original image and creating the rootfs image again but I got a kernel panic Jul 31 17:42:36 So, somehow while insanely drunk last night, I turned on a huge keyboard. Now that I'm sober again, I seemingly can't. Anyone know how to do it? Jul 31 17:43:07 Starting init Jul 31 17:43:07 exec: 423: /usr/sbin/chroot: not found Jul 31 17:43:07 [ 10.641571] Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init! Jul 31 17:43:49 vivijim: I think /usr/sbin/chroot should be in the initfs. just a sec. Jul 31 17:44:21 Ryback_: I believe so, but I'm not changing the initfs Jul 31 17:44:48 MobileSim: try hitting an input field with your finger instead of the stylus? Jul 31 17:46:41 Oh, thanks. Jul 31 17:50:27 Guess that explains how I activated it when I did; I normally use my thumbnail for that. Jul 31 17:51:45 same here :) this explains also how it happened when drunk :P Jul 31 18:00:07 while :; do :; done & Jul 31 18:07:08 evening all Jul 31 18:12:18 I'm not in your timezone maddler. It's afternoon here. Jul 31 18:14:09 This is a serious problem. I motion that we form a committee to discuss inter-timezone greetings. Jul 31 18:14:30 there's a long established convention of following the timezone of the person who initiates the greeting Jul 31 18:15:06 someone who arrives and says good morning to people should be greeted with good morning, and when they leave and wish people good night they should be wished good night :) Jul 31 18:15:21 maddler: evening :) Jul 31 18:16:01 that's crap. I say everyone should move to the GMT timezone. Jul 31 18:16:23 denied. Jul 31 18:16:43 hahahaha... Swatch some years ago tried with a so called "internet time" crap... Jul 31 18:16:44 * trevarthan goes back to plotting world domination Jul 31 18:16:45 ~ugt Jul 31 18:16:47 somebody said ugt was Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html Jul 31 18:17:09 koen: nice... :D Jul 31 18:17:29 I also have a concept of universal lunch time Jul 31 18:17:37 until the lunchee has had lunch, it's morning Jul 31 18:17:41 whatever the local time is :) Jul 31 18:17:57 brb Jul 31 18:18:44 there probably needs to be a rider that if local time is PM and the lunchee fails to lunch by about 4-5pm, local afternoon and evening should be observed to avoid disrupting dinner Jul 31 18:24:52 any idea on implementing python interface properties in python? found how to do methods no info on properties Jul 31 18:25:11 by implementing i mean "exporting" Jul 31 18:25:48 excellent Jul 31 18:25:59 god must really not want me to get my 770 Jul 31 18:26:02 there are postal strikes Jul 31 18:27:47 has anyone tried using wpa_supplicant on a 770? Jul 31 18:28:15 disq, try http://www.sicem.biz/personal/lgs/docs/gobject-python/gobject-tutorial.html Jul 31 18:29:19 thanks Jul 31 18:30:28 how download http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N800.php?f=RX-34_2007SE_4.2007.26-8_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin Jul 31 18:30:43 wget Jul 31 18:33:36 I like UGT. Very smart. Jul 31 18:34:07 pupnik, you there? Jul 31 18:34:26 yes Jul 31 18:35:03 you mentioned something earlier one day about zelda games emulated on the 800? Jul 31 18:35:19 you can download xmaeme and fceu to play them Jul 31 18:35:55 and if you see Tak, thank him for porting them Jul 31 18:36:45 where can i get the games though? arent those just the emulators? Jul 31 18:36:50 fceu doesn't work so well on the n800. At least in the previous firmware. Jul 31 18:36:57 you can find the roms with google. Jul 31 18:37:00 The OSD buttons are all messed up. Jul 31 18:37:09 do the buttons flicker? Jul 31 18:37:34 yeah. The whole screen shakes. I was about to seizures. Jul 31 18:37:47 s/to/to have/ Jul 31 18:37:48 trevarthan meant: yeah. The whole screen shakes. I was about to have seizures. Jul 31 18:37:54 oh noes. there may be Xsp fixes that break some of the old xsp hacks Jul 31 18:38:01 so use the other one? Jul 31 18:38:52 hold a minute - i have to update a file then i would like to know if the onscreen buttons work with new n800 firmware please Jul 31 18:39:17 gimme a sec. I'll install it and check. Jul 31 18:39:32 so i dont need a bt kb to play these do i? Jul 31 18:39:43 not fceu, no Jul 31 18:39:49 osd buttons Jul 31 18:39:50 <_Monkey> osd buttons are all messed up. Jul 31 18:40:34 forget osd buttons Jul 31 18:40:35 <_Monkey> trevarthan: I forgot osd buttons Jul 31 18:43:39 how big are the roms usually? any special format or do .rom files work? Jul 31 18:44:57 Bad form, rating your own software. :) Jul 31 18:45:11 I think .zip and .gz and .smc are supported. Jul 31 18:45:19 not sure though Jul 31 18:46:11 they are just nes? how about a n64 emu, anyone get that yet? Jul 31 18:46:41 no. Jul 31 18:46:44 just nes Jul 31 18:47:06 pupnik has snes9x working too, but that requires a kb, and sound doesn't work yet. and it's slow. Jul 31 18:47:34 n64 would require someone with some serious skillz as the n800 doesn't have a gpu driver. Jul 31 18:47:57 probably not possible. n64 emu barely works on my 2.93ghz at home. :) Jul 31 18:48:29 lol Jul 31 18:48:38 what about a megadrive? Jul 31 18:48:43 i would love to play sonic Jul 31 18:49:07 if anyone wants to work on emus i can help get you started Jul 31 18:50:42 pupnik: yeah, fceu is still messed up in new firmware. Jul 31 18:50:59 load and save show up, but none of the other buttons do. Jul 31 18:51:10 ok i have an xsp test - it's just doing soemthing strange here - need a few minutes to patch it up Jul 31 18:52:16 do you guys do dev work on the device itself or do you have a cross-compiling environment set up? Jul 31 18:52:44 Cross-compiling. Jul 31 18:52:46 I do python work on my n800. for everything else I use scratchbox (cross compiler) Jul 31 18:53:54 unique311: how's the theme coming? Jul 31 18:54:50 its coming.. Jul 31 18:55:00 need to try it out on gimp... Jul 31 18:55:23 thought i had the whole pink pixel down. I don't.. Jul 31 18:55:39 hey man, if you continue having troubles, there are probably some genuine bugs in there. Feel free to give us bits and pieces of what you have and we can try to fix any bugs you run into. Jul 31 18:56:05 no need to hand us a finished product. we can do it a bit at a time. Jul 31 18:56:08 i have thisi can email you the one i did in photoshop. Jul 31 18:56:15 well i think there is.. Jul 31 18:56:48 is it possible in kagu-scanner py to call Jul 31 18:57:03 hold on Jul 31 18:57:47 the CREATE TABLE with rounded edges... Jul 31 18:58:24 :) no, it's just taking rectangle coords. you'll need to use transparency to do rounded edges. Jul 31 18:58:34 i i know.. Jul 31 18:58:51 the transpancy is not working for me. Jul 31 18:58:57 ok Jul 31 18:59:07 i will send you 2 themes. Jul 31 18:59:12 well, show us what you've got and we'll see if we can work it out. Jul 31 18:59:32 1 with slight modifications.with the pink issues im having.. Jul 31 18:59:37 send the sprites.png, as well as the output of `svn diff` on the command line (gives us any changes to kagu-scanner.py) Jul 31 18:59:43 and the other with how im trying to fix it. Jul 31 19:00:01 i didn't make any changes to kagu-scanner Jul 31 19:00:14 k. that makes it easy then. just send the sprites.png Jul 31 19:00:18 k Jul 31 19:00:23 email Jul 31 19:00:29 jesse@guardiani.us for me Jul 31 19:00:52 I'll check it into SVN and then disq can check it out too. Jul 31 19:01:38 not sure you should use the one im sending you.. Jul 31 19:02:06 we won't use it unless you're happy with it. Jul 31 19:02:14 check out the psd i'm sending you, and the png..tell me how i can go about fixing it Jul 31 19:02:57 Does Illustrator make .psd files? Jul 31 19:03:19 or did you decide to go with photoshop instead? Jul 31 19:03:38 yes.... Jul 31 19:03:40 ok n800 owners, i would be happy to know if this game runs on new n800 firmware. http://pupnik.de/aliens-bin-0.0.2.tgz Jul 31 19:03:44 i went with illustrator.. Jul 31 19:03:59 then went into photoshop for blending options. Jul 31 19:05:19 tar xzf aliens-bin-0.0.2.tgz && cd aliens-0.0.2 && ./aliens .. the fullscreen button (upper left) should turn on/off pixel-doubling. You shouldn't see any visual errors or flickering. Jul 31 19:07:45 pupnik: seems to work nicely Jul 31 19:07:51 yeah, looks good Jul 31 19:09:06 trevarthan, if i can get your gimp file, that would be helpful. Jul 31 19:09:14 ok thanks, then the problem is in fceu Jul 31 19:09:54 unique311: I kick it old school man. I edit it in place. When I'm done, I merge down and that's that. I used to draw things pixel by pixel. :) Jul 31 19:10:29 you didn't keep the file with layers Jul 31 19:10:29 ? Jul 31 19:11:04 nope. much of it was stolen from UKMP, which used a .psd file. I don't own photoshop, so that wasn't much good to me. Jul 31 19:11:39 I only pulled two images from external sources. The exit and back buttons. Everything else is just crappy gradient rectangles. Jul 31 19:11:55 you want the url to the back/exit buttons? Jul 31 19:12:19 no Jul 31 19:12:47 i modified the ones in the png slightly to go with the color.. Jul 31 19:12:52 new gimp should be able to load .psg files btw Jul 31 19:12:57 BTW, I'd *prefer* that any theme developers use Gimp and inkscape, not photoshop. But I'll take what I can get. Jul 31 19:13:01 *.psd Jul 31 19:14:00 unique311: here is where I got the back/exit buttons from: http://tango.freedesktop.org/Tango_Icon_Gallery Jul 31 19:15:14 pupnik: I didn't realize that. I'll have to try that next time. Jul 31 19:15:38 needs 2.3 branch to work well - 2.3.19 recommended Jul 31 19:16:11 send Jul 31 19:16:14 sent Jul 31 19:16:24 debian sid is currently at 2.2.17 from the stable branch Jul 31 19:16:30 going to try and import your orignal to gimp.. Jul 31 19:16:34 pupnik: ah. still running 2.2.12. I'll upgrade. Jul 31 19:16:37 and see if i get a different result. Jul 31 19:19:32 trevarthan, is the UKMP using the same pink pixel transparency effect you using? Jul 31 19:20:48 no, UKMP uses black. I prefer pink as it's easier to identify. Jul 31 19:21:41 take a look at my psd...and tell me whe i'm going wrong... Jul 31 19:22:17 going to install gimp..for windows..(unique311 ducks) Jul 31 19:22:52 2.2.17 should handle psd import as long as layer names are short Jul 31 19:23:08 do not use psd export though - use xcf Jul 31 19:23:30 unique311: it took me months to get rid of my photoshop habits and get friendly with gimp Jul 31 19:23:36 many months... it was painful Jul 31 19:23:53 i don't want to get rid of my photoshop habits. Jul 31 19:24:10 photoshop is actually good to me. Jul 31 19:24:13 i think someone finally did a photoshop-like front end to gimp Jul 31 19:24:25 oh yeah i love it. but my only legal copy is photoshop 5.0 LE Jul 31 19:24:56 unique311: only problem I see is the back button doesn't have any transparency. Jul 31 19:25:20 only did it that way Jul 31 19:25:40 because the pink wasn't woking out. Jul 31 19:25:48 looks like the selected song background has accidental transparency at the top of the gradient. Jul 31 19:26:00 it would pixelate the whole back image with pink Jul 31 19:26:06 looked real bad. Jul 31 19:26:43 its bad. Jul 31 19:27:02 sounds like you're trying to fill the pink color using antialiasing. you can't do that. You have to use a single pixel color. Gradients of pink won't work. Jul 31 19:27:07 the select song background was an error..i notice it when i tried in on the device. Jul 31 19:28:49 i'll try it on gimp..see if the outcome is different with pink. Jul 31 19:29:10 :) progress bar colors look a little funny too. Jul 31 19:29:16 Overall, I like it though. Jul 31 19:29:20 i was think it was going to be so simple as to just lay down layers..and make it happen. Jul 31 19:29:35 but i'm not going to give up.. Jul 31 19:29:42 its a nice challenge. Jul 31 19:29:47 my fist time Jul 31 19:29:53 first* Jul 31 19:30:13 It's not that difficult. I think you're just not really using photoshop correctly for the job. Unfortunately, I can't give any advice. If you use gimp instead, I can help. Jul 31 19:30:37 installing gimp now. Jul 31 19:31:28 What I'd really like to do is get you to commit to helping us do additional things with the theme, like button down images, images for the OK button, etc... Jul 31 19:31:57 But, so long as we've got the PSD file I'm sure we can muddle through if you lose interest. :) Jul 31 19:32:10 i'm not.. Jul 31 19:33:14 well, thanks for the work so far. I think it looks better than the original. The fonts pop a lot more, in particular. I really like that. Jul 31 19:34:23 trevarthan, can I see the psd? I am a web dev, I can help possibly Jul 31 19:34:35 don't know how the bluetooth looks on the device.. Jul 31 19:35:37 trevarthan, there ya go..more interest in it already. Jul 31 19:42:51 erstazi: maybe you and unique311 should get together? It's his psd. I could mail it to you, or he could.... Jul 31 19:43:06 send it to him Jul 31 19:43:12 erstazi: have you installed kagu yet? Jul 31 19:43:45 trevarthan, I can tonight Jul 31 19:43:48 if he can figure out that pink pixel thing i'll be more than happy Jul 31 19:44:06 what hex do you need it to match? Jul 31 19:44:18 yeah. probably won't do much good playing with the psd until you've run kagu and know what to expect. Jul 31 19:44:38 trevarthan, of course, but it never hurts Jul 31 19:44:51 erstazi: colorkey (aka transparency pixel) is pulled from the rightmost bottom pixel. Jul 31 19:45:47 the right most bottom pixel which is pink right. Jul 31 19:45:57 erstazi: if you can tell unique311 how to do a bucket color fill without antialiasing (or a layer without antialiasing), that would probably solve his problem. Jul 31 19:46:31 unique311: no, if the right most bottom pixel is pink, then the colorkey is pink. if it's blue, then the colorkey is blue, etc... Jul 31 19:46:46 on the default theme, it's pink. Jul 31 19:46:56 on the one you sent me, unique311, I think it's white. Jul 31 19:47:01 it is. Jul 31 19:48:02 erstazi whats your email address. Jul 31 19:48:27 unique311, let me pm you for this, this channel is logged, don't like spam filling up my spam folder... Jul 31 19:48:53 erstazi: default theme sprites.png is here, BTW: https://www.guardiani.us/projects/kagu/browser/trunk/src/kagu/data/sprites.png Jul 31 19:49:19 ok, google just locked down my email account. wtf Jul 31 19:50:43 anyone knows of an embedded device with a wireless chipset that supports packet injection? Jul 31 19:55:33 unique311: erstazi: eventually I want to do a layout table too, so you guys can move buttons around on the screen to your heart's content. But it'll be a little while before I get around to that, I think. Jul 31 19:56:00 I plan to do a portrait mode too, so the layout functionality will play into that. Jul 31 19:56:11 ok Jul 31 19:56:20 trevarthan, did you port keru? Jul 31 19:56:28 kagu? Jul 31 19:56:28 <_Monkey> kagu is http://maemo.org/downloads/product/kagu Jul 31 19:56:35 wrote it from scratch. Jul 31 19:56:47 disq helped a lot too. Jul 31 19:58:16 sent erstazi Jul 31 19:58:52 k, gimp up and running...round 2 with png... Jul 31 20:04:37 wow thats light weight, .17kb Jul 31 20:05:06 for the install Jul 31 20:07:19 inertial scrolling? Jul 31 20:07:38 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7294 does somebody understand that question. Jul 31 20:08:28 amr: it means that you drag the list with your finger and it moves. If you flick it, it keeps spinning until it runs out of inertia. Jul 31 20:08:48 oh sweet Jul 31 20:08:58 like what the iphone does now Jul 31 20:09:09 maybe. dunno, never used one Jul 31 20:09:37 trevarthan: what do you think of ukmp? Jul 31 20:09:41 I was trying to think of some way to make scrolling easy without implementing an on-screen ipod finger wheel and get sued. :) Jul 31 20:09:50 lol Jul 31 20:09:56 its pretty cool Jul 31 20:10:02 ill have to install it when i get my 770 Jul 31 20:10:10 if the postal service every goes off strike :( Jul 31 20:10:16 roope: kagu is a knock off of ukmp's look and feel (but completely different under the hood), so I guess you could say I was inspired by it. Jul 31 20:10:42 Yeah. I cannot help but to notice the similarities, that's all .:) Jul 31 20:11:04 it also has elements of canola's ui thrown in, though very little (the back button comes to mind) Jul 31 20:11:10 Do you have any further plans? New views or functionalities coming up? Jul 31 20:11:15 <_Handful_> =) Jul 31 20:11:20 <_Handful_> the back button rocks =) (lol) Jul 31 20:11:25 i have no idea what either of them are Jul 31 20:11:43 roope: tons. check the Things To Do (TTD) list here: https://www.guardiani.us/projects/kagu/browser/trunk/TTD Jul 31 20:12:12 <_Handful_> I really like because it's python =) Jul 31 20:12:49 _Handful_: does canola currently implement com.osso.Playback(.Manager) support? Jul 31 20:12:49 Also, the project is fully open to new developers. All you have to do is prove to me that you're not an idiot (one patch is usually enough) and I'll give you full commit access and a license to work on whatever you'd like. (so long as you're not an idiot) :) Jul 31 20:12:55 Looks nice. Jul 31 20:13:12 The todolist, that is. Jul 31 20:13:17 <_Handful_> roope : about that question... the guy wants to boot symbian on top of maemo =) it's quite funny the idea... Jul 31 20:13:38 trevarthan: heh, that idiot bit is inspired by linus' git talk isn't it :) Jul 31 20:13:39 roope: I'm sort of in the process of moving that list over to Trac's Ticket/Milestone system. Jul 31 20:13:41 <_Handful_> trevarthan: good strategy =) Jul 31 20:13:45 I'm quite baffled by it. Does he mean that could symbian run on the n800 hardware. Jul 31 20:13:54 "Porting" symbian to "n800" is kind of wt.f Jul 31 20:13:59 disq: yeah. it is. he thinks a lot like I do, surprisingly. Jul 31 20:14:07 <_Handful_> I think he wanted something like parallells desktop Jul 31 20:14:10 <_Handful_> or vmware =) Jul 31 20:14:21 wtf Jul 31 20:14:36 <_Handful_> to be able to run both ... that's quite insane =) I know we are advancing in mobile.. but this is far away =) Jul 31 20:16:23 Why not just buy a symbian device. Jul 31 20:16:40 <_Handful_> yeah.. lot easier =) Jul 31 20:16:42 I'd settle for JRE... Jul 31 20:17:24 disq: I used to work with the TMDA developer a lot. Fellow named Jason Maastaler, I think. He used to refer to himself as a benevolent dictator of the project. I asked him to describe what that meant once, and he basically said the same thing. He's got veto power, but never uses it. Linus obviously has that down to a science. And I like the way git allows an individual developer to do his own thing regardless of whether or not Linus th Jul 31 20:18:10 uh, 255 char limit Jul 31 20:18:16 ah, frick Jul 31 20:18:37 I asked him to describe what that meant once, and he basically said the same thing. He's got veto power, but never uses it. Jul 31 20:18:45 Linus obviously has that down to a science. And I like the way git allows an individual developer to do his own thing regardless of whether or not Linus thinks he's an idiot. Jul 31 20:18:51 That's important. Linus is wrong sometimes, I'm sure. Jul 31 20:19:06 wish it warned me about that. Jul 31 20:19:22 I'm using pidgin. Not the best IRC client ever... Jul 31 20:19:27 i wonder if it's the server's limitation or client's. probably clients Jul 31 20:19:41 server Jul 31 20:19:57 some clients compensate Jul 31 20:20:18 some clients just lets the user go on and on without warning them they're breaking the limit Jul 31 20:20:58 server Jul 31 20:22:01 what's the command to make the server relist its capabilites/limits etc Jul 31 20:23:46 can i get irssi on the 770? Jul 31 20:23:57 i think /cabap Jul 31 20:23:58 if not ill just ssh into my box and leave it running in a screen Jul 31 20:24:18 erm no /cabap is for registering client capabilities (like /capab identify) Jul 31 20:24:42 irssi is available Jul 31 20:25:03 sweet Jul 31 20:25:31 someone program me a 'same game' clone :p Jul 31 20:25:43 is that like 'memory'? Jul 31 20:26:03 i dont think so Jul 31 20:26:12 is memory the game where you have to find pairs of things Jul 31 20:26:17 yes Jul 31 20:26:21 yeah this is different Jul 31 20:26:28 let me see if i can find what i mean Jul 31 20:26:59 Simon Tatham's Portable Puzzle Collection for maemo is excellent Jul 31 20:28:41 <_Handful_> I would like to port something like the incredible machine + lost vikings + marsupilami + krusty fun house =) Jul 31 20:28:57 sgt-puzzles http://maemo-hackers.org/sgt-puzzles.install Jul 31 20:30:21 http://www.oopixel.com/samegame/ Jul 31 20:30:21 thats it Jul 31 20:30:41 ty amr Jul 31 20:32:21 amr, you win by clearing the field and lose if you are left with single blocks remaining in the field? Jul 31 20:32:52 yes Jul 31 20:32:59 and then extra colours are brought in at each new level Jul 31 20:33:07 but some games dont add the extra levels Jul 31 20:33:43 with extras such as, the more blocks you clear at one time Jul 31 20:33:43 so if you get a massive group of reds say Jul 31 20:33:43 you get more points Jul 31 20:34:45 amr: 5600, first try. I suck, eh? Jul 31 20:34:57 i havent been looking at the scores, oops Jul 31 20:35:05 i didn't clear the first level first try Jul 31 20:35:48 I got lucky, I think. Jul 31 20:37:43 amr: got you covered: http://pupnik.de/gtkboard_0.11pre0-5_armel.deb Jul 31 20:37:58 it needs some tweaking for the 770/N800 screen though Jul 31 20:39:13 pupnik should change his name to gamepimp Jul 31 20:39:38 well that was literally a 2 minute port Jul 31 20:39:41 i timed it :P Jul 31 20:39:54 s/port/compile Jul 31 20:39:59 no .desktop file yet? Jul 31 20:40:24 needs some hildonisation - the menu takes up too much real estate Jul 31 20:41:34 if nobody does it, i'll do it when i start learning about hildon Jul 31 20:41:45 what's somegame called in the menu? Jul 31 20:41:54 it's under 'arcade' Jul 31 20:42:21 yeah, inplayable cause no fullscreen. Jul 31 20:42:54 s/inplayable/unplayable/ Jul 31 20:42:55 trevarthan meant: yeah, unplayable cause no fullscreen. Jul 31 20:43:35 port it! That's cool! Jul 31 20:44:48 I wonder what they use for the drawing? wonder if I could use the same thing to make a non-pygame version of kagu... Jul 31 20:44:57 the actual game window for samegame is 410 pixels on my PC Jul 31 20:45:01 I don't like how kagu hogs CPU. Jul 31 20:49:46 gah. pymaemo is missing dbus.gobject_service Jul 31 20:50:19 what did you want that for again? Jul 31 20:50:36 osso.playback.manager thingy marc-andre mentioned Jul 31 20:50:53 for the headset button? Jul 31 20:51:01 each player has to implement an interface to be managed by osso-hss-control Jul 31 20:51:18 no for better system integration (with voip calls etc) Jul 31 20:51:28 ah Jul 31 20:52:10 was it gobject, or qobject? I thought I saw qobject mentioned recently... Jul 31 20:52:12 anyway it's ok if we don't implement it since we're using ossomediaserver as the player Jul 31 20:52:23 gobject, as in glib Jul 31 20:53:28 I keep missing semi-colons and forgetting brackets in PHP since I've been doing so much python lately. driving me nuts. Jul 31 20:54:27 i keep putting semicolons in python code and then noticing them after i type Jul 31 20:54:45 disq: as you can only play 1 media file at a given time, this osso.playback.manager would be useless with osso media engine, right ? Jul 31 20:54:48 yeah, you committed some too. python didn't seem to care. Jul 31 20:55:18 MoRpHeUz: don't ask me :) not sure Jul 31 20:55:33 disq: hehe, same here...I'm trying to figure out this =) Jul 31 20:56:02 disq: it looks like it's something "for the future" hehe... Jul 31 20:56:19 disq: I wonder if we could make a scroll widget in GTK, then rewrite kagu to use GTK? Jul 31 20:56:39 I wonder if it would be fast enough. I'd kill for a real event driven API. :) Jul 31 20:56:44 trevarthan: we'd have to test that Jul 31 20:56:55 i'd kill for actual widgets Jul 31 20:56:59 yeah... me too Jul 31 20:57:27 I really hate abusing a game api to do an application. :) Jul 31 20:58:02 trevarthan: there is already a scroll widget with inertia in GTK.. Jul 31 20:58:04 =) Jul 31 20:58:25 MoRpHeUz: really? got an example, link, docs, anything? Jul 31 20:58:32 MoRpHeUz: tell us more Jul 31 20:58:46 I'll rewrite the whole damn thing if it works. :) Jul 31 20:59:00 trevarthan, disq: http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/cms/kinetic-scrolling-on-the-neo1973 Jul 31 20:59:54 trevarthan, disq: http://etrunko.blogspot.com/2007/07/yet-another-post-on-kinetic-scrolling.html Jul 31 21:00:04 Chris Lord is the name of the guy =) Jul 31 21:00:07 looks like a hot topic Jul 31 21:00:44 trevarthan, disq: http://chrislord.net/blog/kinetic-scrolling.enlighten Jul 31 21:00:44 =) Jul 31 21:01:13 i kinda remember that name Jul 31 21:02:01 I don't have an ogg player on my win32 desktop Jul 31 21:02:18 i'll try vlc Jul 31 21:02:45 OK, the second link is edje, which is just pygame on crack, as far as I know. Jul 31 21:03:13 The first link... not sure what that is. Cairo + GTK? Jul 31 21:03:22 Third link I can't play.... Jul 31 21:03:34 hey guys, i am searching for an irc client for my nokia 770. anyone can help me? Jul 31 21:03:43 question for all links: how do you select an item on the list? Looks like it just scrolls. No selection control. Jul 31 21:05:33 trevarthan: tapping probably works Jul 31 21:05:42 <_Handful_> tapping Jul 31 21:05:49 in the first video, he sort of tapped, and nothing happened. Jul 31 21:05:52 <_Handful_> the problem I see now is the perfect balance between 2 things Jul 31 21:06:28 <_Handful_> we are experimenting with the inertial scrolling, but I fully agree with someone (dont remember) that is just not about copycating the iphone Jul 31 21:06:58 <_Handful_> but actually understanding the variables for our screen, and trying to reach the best balance.. for scrolling + stopping and selecting an item Jul 31 21:07:02 i don't care about kinetic scrolling anyway. get me a bare listview/treeview and i'm ok with it Jul 31 21:07:27 I care about it. scroll bars suck on touch screens. Jul 31 21:07:41 it's just the "right" way to do scrolling on a touch screen, IMO. Jul 31 21:07:44 <_Handful_> so a little bit of attention with the "threshold" between a click and a small movement (if you scroll is very sensitive, like ours is now ) Jul 31 21:07:46 oh, trev. we can't do a portrait mode with gtk Jul 31 21:08:02 I came up with Kagu's scrolling before I even knew the iphone had it. Jul 31 21:08:11 <_Handful_> trevarthan: yes.. I fully agree with you : http://www.marceloeduardo.com/blog/design/usability/more-experiments-and-why-i-think-scrollbars-on-touchscreen-are-not-the-best-way-to-go Jul 31 21:08:19 then I saw it on TV and I was like "damn". They beat me to it. Jul 31 21:08:24 lol Jul 31 21:08:26 <_Handful_> trevarthan: we did it on the 770, but the screen sensitivity was a no go Jul 31 21:08:28 its been around a while iirc Jul 31 21:09:07 <_Handful_> our very very first prototype (january 2005) had it (actually a developer asked for it) but it was more a fitness exercise than a interaction with the ui ) =) Jul 31 21:09:31 woah 2005 Jul 31 21:09:37 i feel bad for not getting a 770 earlier Jul 31 21:09:53 <_Handful_> the problem was the screen.. but on the n800 is a lot better Jul 31 21:10:00 <_Handful_> (so you can fell it on kagu player) =) Jul 31 21:10:24 When I first wrote Kagu's scrolling, I did it on my desktop first. Then tried it on the n800. I was amazed at the difference. I had to add a lot of "margin" into everything because the touch screen isn't as precise as a mouse click. Jul 31 21:10:48 trevarthan, will agree with you there Jul 31 21:11:00 <_Handful_> now it must have proper snap to the edges (to avoid not selected items) the correct bounce, you must be able to stop, without selecting the item, and to select the item without moving just a little bit. Jul 31 21:11:10 trevarthan, so with the imaging being needed, it is for it to fit more smoothly into the GUI? Jul 31 21:11:19 <_Handful_> yes... the mouse to touchscreen conversion is a pretty different Jul 31 21:11:49 erstazi: yeah, I used pygame because I wanted something that could handle fast scrolling. Jul 31 21:12:43 _Handful_: does kagu work on the 770? Maybe the dev just didn't have his head on right. Jul 31 21:12:53 <_Handful_> I didn't test it : / Jul 31 21:13:03 <_Handful_> I tested only our scrolling experiment : / Jul 31 21:13:19 <_Handful_> but if you want, I can install it later Jul 31 21:13:35 770's browser scrolls like the n800's right? tap and drag? Jul 31 21:13:38 trevarthan: we'd still have to reimplement the widget because it has to be in python (or we'd need python modules/bindings) btw. will be long and boring Jul 31 21:14:24 <_Handful_> yes, but it stops when you stop moving ... so you don need to use for example a tap to stop the inertial because it doesn't exists... Jul 31 21:14:25 trevarthan: Yeah. Jul 31 21:15:15 shame. sounds like you missed an excellent opportunity. Jul 31 21:15:22 oh, found xchat-maemo ... sorry for worring Jul 31 21:15:28 you = we, btw Jul 31 21:15:57 red-zack: there's also pidgin somewhere Jul 31 21:16:52 disq: yes, i found it too. thanx a lot guys Jul 31 21:17:27 my 770 has crappy screen sensitivity so i can't test without the stylus Jul 31 21:17:37 disq: I gotta play with that gtk widget. Jul 31 21:17:39 by crappy i mean the center area won't recognize unless you stab at it Jul 31 21:17:43 i do not often ask like a stupid idiot, but... this is the first day ive got it. today i bought it for 177 euro Jul 31 21:18:00 hi red-zack are you an old kanotix/sidux user? Jul 31 21:18:13 <_Handful_> disq: that's quite normal for the 770 : / Jul 31 21:18:16 pupnik: i am an sidux supporter, yes Jul 31 21:18:29 a bit ago, kanotix, yes, too Jul 31 21:18:34 welcome to the tablet community! Jul 31 21:18:40 also I only have "take me down.mp3" on the device :P Jul 31 21:18:44 pupnik: thanks a lot ;) Jul 31 21:19:11 i think this channel will become an "autojoin" Jul 31 21:19:31 _Handful_: they replace the faulty screens but there's no tablet service around here Jul 31 21:19:41 <_Handful_> unm there's none here also : / Jul 31 21:20:38 red-zack: good price on that 770. i usually see them for 180+ in .de Jul 31 21:20:39 i was bummed when the right side of the n800 screen started to feel insensitive. luckily the new firmware fixed it Jul 31 21:21:15 pupnik: was an ebay sold. but it new, with 24 monbth garuante Jul 31 21:21:34 damn, my english is ** worse.. Jul 31 21:21:49 hey, i'll be in leipzig for 4 days maybe i could try to find a tablet service. but 4 days probably isn't enough Jul 31 21:22:21 disq: maybe @ nokia itself? Jul 31 21:22:46 new firmware has done wonders for the n800 screen. I'm amazed. Jul 31 21:23:00 red-zack: of course, but the horror stories at ITT (internettablettalk.com, that is) are, well, dreadful Jul 31 21:23:16 ^^ Jul 31 21:23:42 jesus, i cannot connect to my wifi. Jul 31 21:23:47 whatta hell. Jul 31 21:23:55 disq: could we compile that moko gtk widget, provide it as a binary dep, then just use it from python? Jul 31 21:24:05 hr,worked Jul 31 21:24:12 I wonder how much CPU it uses... Jul 31 21:24:49 trevarthan: yeah. it's a part of libmokoui, but i guess we could only get that widget and compile Jul 31 21:25:00 I need to email those guys at moko and find out more. Jul 31 21:26:02 could investigate further in #openmoko too Jul 31 21:26:07 Looks like MaemoMyth already has it. I might build that tonight and see what it can do. Jul 31 21:26:38 <_Handful_> I tested it, and has some nice things.. and actually felt pretty nice Jul 31 21:26:51 <_Handful_> what I like is the ability of holding the finger and it keeps scrolling Jul 31 21:27:14 <_Handful_> to avoid multiple "swipes" I don't know how to call the finger movement in english : / Jul 31 21:27:29 <||cw> swipe works Jul 31 21:27:45 not sure what you mean. _Handful_: install kagu and play with our crappy canola/ukmp hybrid widget. Tell me what you think. Jul 31 21:27:46 <_Handful_> thanks =) Jul 31 21:28:32 who was asking about flickr uploading? inz made something http://inz.fi/blog/ Jul 31 21:28:42 that was me Jul 31 21:28:45 <_Handful_> trevarthan: eg: to reach a end of a long list (like here we test with 16k songs) you must swipe (or slide the finger across the screen several times... even with accellaration) what m, then I agree with disq : a scroll bar with accelleration excels ... but.. Jul 31 21:28:57 mh, can i get something like a terminal/emulator for my 770? Jul 31 21:29:01 thanks for the link , pupnik Jul 31 21:29:04 possible? Jul 31 21:29:16 red-zack: osso xterm Jul 31 21:29:34 <_Handful_> if you can place the finger.. and instead of doing that " iphone movement" you actually don't take your finger from the screen.. and goes toward the edge (bottom or top) and it keeps scrolling.. just like you do with the mouse.. when you have something beeing draggaded on a bigger canvas =) Jul 31 21:29:41 _Handful_: I was thinking of A-Z shortcuts on the left of the scroll widget. click Z, scroll widget jumps to Z. Jul 31 21:29:47 celesteh: xterm, wonderful Jul 31 21:29:53 need one of them ^^ Jul 31 21:29:55 <_Handful_> yes.. the apple way Jul 31 21:30:05 <_Handful_> I don't want to go that apple like :/ but it's a good solution Jul 31 21:30:07 <_Handful_> the problem is.. Jul 31 21:30:13 <_Handful_> when you don't have a alphabetical list.. Jul 31 21:30:18 red-zack, i think it's in the garage repository? Jul 31 21:30:20 <_Handful_> what would you use? tokens? simbles? Jul 31 21:30:25 <_Handful_> simbols (sorry) Jul 31 21:30:26 <_Handful_> ? Jul 31 21:30:31 I don't know what you mean by "apple way". I don't own a single apple and I've never used one. It's just an idea. Jul 31 21:30:46 celesteh: its my first day. soo. i have a look. thanks dear ;) Jul 31 21:30:49 <_Handful_> the iphone scrolling put this " alphabetica index on the left" Jul 31 21:30:59 <_Handful_> but of course it's a pretty good idea and you can use it.. Jul 31 21:31:01 ah, didn't know that Jul 31 21:31:05 that's probably because it's a good idea. :) Jul 31 21:31:11 celesteh: does apt work for 770 too? Jul 31 21:31:26 <_Handful_> but only works for those alphabetical sorted list.. Jul 31 21:31:33 <_Handful_> when you have a non alphabetical... bam! Jul 31 21:31:37 red-zack, if you got the right repos Jul 31 21:31:49 my ideas was to put bookmarks on the top (A-D, E-H, like contacts in n800 does) but left is better Jul 31 21:31:54 really, really sweet. Jul 31 21:31:58 i have installed (770, it2006se) pool/maemo2.2/free/o/osso-xterm/osso-xterm_0.13_armel.deb Jul 31 21:32:01 red-zack, it's in maemo-hackers.org Jul 31 21:32:09 red-zack: get an updated sources list for easier package install Jul 31 21:32:13 _Handful_: you could come up with some other way to modify the scrolling externally. Slide wheel for speed on the left? etc.... Jul 31 21:32:17 pupnik: thanks. Jul 31 21:33:01 alright, I gotta drive home. bye disq! bye _Handful_. bye all! Jul 31 21:33:02 <_Handful_> yes... that's the challenges.. we are thinking on that.. not only that.. but something that could mimic the home - end keys... Jul 31 21:33:05 there's always finger pressure. and home-end shortcuts like canola has (we can do that when we have the osd up-down arrows) Jul 31 21:33:05 <_Handful_> or other things.. Jul 31 21:33:07 <_Handful_> let's see Jul 31 21:33:09 <_Handful_> bye bye Jul 31 21:33:14 cya trev Jul 31 21:33:25 <_Handful_> disq : yes.. but those shortcuts.. are kind of too hidden : / Jul 31 21:33:44 "Good Evening" (UGT) Jul 31 21:33:48 :) Jul 31 21:37:54 <_Handful_> heheh yes =) Jul 31 21:42:19 xchat working. thanks Jul 31 21:42:25 xterm next Jul 31 21:45:35 man i want my 770 :( Jul 31 21:45:41 Hi Jul 31 21:45:48 I am trying to get USB host mode running Jul 31 21:46:07 good evening Jul 31 21:46:48 on the 800. I installed the kernel patches and flashed the 800 with the new kernel and the tag : enable-host-mode Jul 31 21:47:08 Then, if I load python, I get an error message - : Jul 31 21:47:10 pupnik: can you tell me about apt and sources, need it^^ Jul 31 21:47:37 >>> import usb Jul 31 21:47:38 Traceback (most recent call last): Jul 31 21:47:38 File "", line 1, in Jul 31 21:47:38 ImportError: /usr/lib/libusb.so: undefined symbol: usb_resetep Jul 31 21:47:47 Can anyone please help me Jul 31 21:47:49 red-zack: you are blocking messages Jul 31 21:47:57 pupnik: mom Jul 31 21:48:17 pupnik: try again Jul 31 21:49:17 hey guys Jul 31 21:49:22 how's it going Jul 31 21:49:30 i'm having a tough time here.. with this USB host working.. Jul 31 21:49:32 can you help! Jul 31 21:50:51 the flickr tool mentioned about half an hour ago just works for screenshots Jul 31 21:50:53 it's a future plugin thing for maemo blog Jul 31 21:50:57 which, when i try to run, crashes as soon as i try to select which of my blogger blogs i mean, or if i click "offline" alas Jul 31 21:56:45 hello folks Jul 31 21:57:21 anybody? Jul 31 21:57:42 Monkey: anybody is Im here Jul 31 21:57:45 _Monkey: anybody is Im here Jul 31 21:57:46 <_Monkey> i already had it that way, NeoStrider. Jul 31 21:58:00 _Monkey: anybody? Jul 31 21:58:00 <_Monkey> anybody is Im here Jul 31 22:00:27 manas, what are you trying to do? Jul 31 22:00:27 the n770/800 doesn't do usb hosting Jul 31 22:02:17 celesteh: I am trying to get the n800 on the usb host mode Jul 31 22:02:31 like the stuff talked about in https://www.muru.com/linux/n800-usb-host/ Jul 31 22:09:04 manas, normally, the n800 cannot act as a host Jul 31 22:09:39 only 770 has this hardware, right? Jul 31 22:10:03 There are some web pages that suggest that people have gotten the n800 to work as a host Jul 31 22:10:42 I am porting an application in which I was using the 770 as a usb host and the 800 Jul 31 22:10:43 it's darn annoying Jul 31 22:10:43 how am i supposed to plug in my joystick? Jul 31 22:12:31 This web page seems to think that n800 host mode should be possible -- https://www.muru.com/linux/n800-usb-host/ Jul 31 22:37:36 scrolling images in opera 800x600 is real fast Jul 31 22:37:53 good work to the core developers Jul 31 22:48:42 nice, you can disable scrollbar and toolbar and do fullscreen browsing in opera Jul 31 22:51:48 New Advertising campaign. http://pupnik.de/pupnik_n770_streetlan.jpg The Nokia Internet Tablet - Just for people with homes anymore! Jul 31 22:53:37 pupnik: you can style scrollbars off in gecko Jul 31 22:53:39 it'd be fairly stupid Jul 31 22:53:41 but you can do it Jul 31 22:53:47 and the toolbars are part of the browser chrome Jul 31 22:53:54 you can disable them for whichever browser it hosts Jul 31 22:54:16 pupnik: lastly, opera's scrolling has absolutely nothing to do with anyone associated w/ maemo Jul 31 22:54:17 ok :) Jul 31 22:54:32 it was done by opera inc. if you want to give them props, use irc.opera.com Jul 31 22:55:06 is there another irc channel for tablet users? Jul 31 22:55:20 actually, their speed is mostly in spite of all the stupid decisions of people associated w/ maemo :) Jul 31 22:56:05 well kudos to the kdrive people too Jul 31 23:07:01 kdrive? Jul 31 23:09:30 _Monkey, kdrive is a small X Window System server implementation created by Keith Packard which was the basis for xomap used in the Nokia Tablets. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDrive Jul 31 23:09:30 <_Monkey> OK, pupnik_. Jul 31 23:10:54 Keith Packard was also one of the guys who got the ball rolling for transparency and OpenGL acceleration in X Jul 31 23:11:06 one of my heroes Jul 31 23:13:03 hey guys Jul 31 23:13:14 herro Jul 31 23:14:20 im trying to follow the walkthought for setting up a dev environment for the 770 @ http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/Maemo_2.2_Tutorial.html#settingup Jul 31 23:14:52 so if i say kdrive monkey responds Jul 31 23:14:55 kdrive? Jul 31 23:14:56 <_Monkey> rumour has it kdrive is a small X Window System server implementation created by Keith Packard which was the basis for xomap used in the Nokia Tablets. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDrive Jul 31 23:14:57 i have got as far as getting maemopad install, but I cant find a working link for the tar yet Jul 31 23:14:58 lol Jul 31 23:15:00 nice Jul 31 23:15:10 train the monkey Jul 31 23:15:13 anyone know where it is? Jul 31 23:16:17 hrm Jul 31 23:16:22 maemopad Jul 31 23:16:26 :/ Jul 31 23:16:32 * Jynx pokes _Monkey Jul 31 23:16:55 gah. i can't seem to debianize libmokoui2 Jul 31 23:17:08 Jynx: in scratchbox type "apt-get source maemopad" Jul 31 23:17:25 for some reason the apt sources wont resolve Jul 31 23:17:34 nsswitch? Jul 31 23:17:53 bad monkey, no biscuit Jul 31 23:18:06 Jynx: common problem, running ubuntu on the host? Jul 31 23:18:12 he Jul 31 23:18:13 h Jul 31 23:18:19 knoppmyth actually Jul 31 23:18:26 (debian basse) Jul 31 23:18:31 ^base Jul 31 23:18:39 search google for scratchbox+nsswitch Jul 31 23:18:46 that might* be the problem Jul 31 23:18:59 also check that you can wget from scratchbox Jul 31 23:19:09 kk Jul 31 23:20:25 _Monkey: base is Bass! How low can you go? Death row? What-a-brotha know... Jul 31 23:20:26 <_Monkey> OK, pupnik_. Jul 31 23:20:34 pupnik_, i have 2 games to compile and submit... Jul 31 23:20:52 will do so when im done with this theme Jul 31 23:20:59 nice :) Jul 31 23:21:07 fullscreen Jul 31 23:21:44 both nsswith.conf's contain hosts: files dns Jul 31 23:22:17 and i can wget from inside scratchbox Jul 31 23:22:42 deb http://repository.maemo.org/ maemo ossw Jul 31 23:22:42 deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/ maemo ossw Jul 31 23:22:49 those sources correct? Jul 31 23:23:39 hmm never saw those -- i don't really know if mine are right either, but i can get maemopad Jul 31 23:23:43 deb http://repository.maemo.org/ gregale free non-free Jul 31 23:23:45 deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/ gregale free non-free Jul 31 23:24:02 deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras gregale free non-free also Jul 31 23:24:16 can you apt-get update? Jul 31 23:25:25 no, even with your sources Jul 31 23:25:53 temporary failure resolving repository.maemo.org Jul 31 23:25:56 is the error Jul 31 23:26:03 guessing something is out of what Jul 31 23:26:06 ^whack Jul 31 23:26:20 i can get it Jul 31 23:26:35 in scratchbox i had to change Jul 31 23:26:36 #hosts: db files nisplus nis dns Jul 31 23:26:37 hosts: files dns Jul 31 23:26:57 so now i don't know what it could be Jul 31 23:26:58 in nsswitch? Jul 31 23:27:01 yeah Jul 31 23:27:35 ok well thanks, ill tackle it again tomorrow Jul 31 23:27:38 might see you then Jul 31 23:27:40 cheers Jul 31 23:27:50 ok cheers! Jul 31 23:35:31 _Monkey: NeoStrider? Jul 31 23:35:31 <_Monkey> NeoStrider is probably building you a checkers game as we speak :) Jul 31 23:35:40 good Jul 31 23:35:50 who wants to connect the tablet to a joystick? Jul 31 23:44:03 _Monkey: angstron Jul 31 23:44:04 <_Monkey> angstron is probably http://angstron.garage.maemo.org/ Jul 31 23:44:08 ok Jul 31 23:44:15 my connection is flaky, but working Jul 31 23:47:36 i use the bt keyboard usually, NeoStrider_ Jul 31 23:48:00 you have a usb joystick driver working? Jul 31 23:48:00 stowaway? Jul 31 23:48:03 yes Jul 31 23:48:08 no Jul 31 23:48:16 but I was very curious to know if it works Jul 31 23:48:28 actually I never even activated the host mode Jul 31 23:48:33 neither the R&D Jul 31 23:48:39 I like to keep my 770 vanilla Jul 31 23:48:45 same here Jul 31 23:49:24 * pupnik NeoStrider_ my new picture http://pupnik.de/pupnik_n770_streetlan.jpg Jul 31 23:50:10 i hate how that pic is too dark on CRT, but too light on LCD Jul 31 23:50:39 laptop LCD here ;-) Jul 31 23:50:51 we banished CRTs long ago in my house =-) Jul 31 23:51:13 cool pic, btw Jul 31 23:51:50 ty Jul 31 23:52:09 I am having a reboot loop after I installed a weather app. I am able to boot of the flash, but not off my MMC. If I mount the MMC, what do I need to delete to remove the boot-time application from running? Jul 31 23:52:20 gtg Jul 31 23:52:22 dinner Aug 01 00:05:45 Does anyone know where the directory is that holds the conf file that boots at start time? Aug 01 00:06:34 a vague answer is /etc Aug 01 00:08:26 pupnik> That would be very vague! :) Aug 01 00:10:23 that's because a directory holding conf files does not boot at start time Aug 01 00:13:20 pupnik> Well, my problem is that an application is failing to boot, which cause my 770 to reboot and bring me back to the bootmenu... Aug 01 00:14:19 conf files don't boot Aug 01 00:14:25 applications don't boot either Aug 01 00:15:51 Feral_Kid: the startup scripts are (afaik) mostly in /etc/rc2.d Aug 01 00:18:16 Feral_Kid: so you are using a boot loader with menu? It is possible to save output of the boot process if it is the kernel that is causing problems -- search ITT forums for 'dmesg' and boot Aug 01 00:21:57 pupnik> It is not the kernel, it is the weather application that start at boot... I meant to remove that app, and ended up rebooting before removing... Now I am have an issue with booting of the MMC, although flash is good to go, because I did not add that app... Aug 01 00:24:32 pupnik> I had this problem before, and have lost the note on what I had to get rid of... Basically, there was a file that I had to edit to remove the application... It is that same file that what files to start (for instance rss reader, webshortcut, clock, etc) Aug 01 00:25:00 ahh Aug 01 00:25:19 i don't know how the tablets do it - in debian apps and daemons are started in the rc?.d directories Aug 01 00:25:37 where ? = runlevel Aug 01 00:26:38 maybe freenode can setup a maemo cloak for people Aug 01 00:26:51 yes Aug 01 00:26:54 its easy! Aug 01 00:27:12 see? Aug 01 00:27:13 =-P Aug 01 00:27:21 heh Aug 01 00:27:49 pupnik> Yeah, I remember that is was some hildon directory... But I can find it... Oh well, I will just search slowly... Of the top of you head where would I find the information on where I have stored wep keys... Aug 01 00:28:44 i put them in a text file Aug 01 00:29:57 wifi? Aug 01 00:29:57 <_Monkey> wifi is both demanding and heating Aug 01 00:29:59 pupnik> No, I am talking about when you first connect to a new ap, and the app allows to you to a connection a name, and it stores that name and wep... I need to find that so I can copy it over to my flash partition... Aug 01 00:31:05 no idea. you could install findutils, connect to a new ap, then search for files changed in the past 5 minutes Aug 01 00:32:24 isnt this some source of vulnerability on some devices...cof...iPhone...cof Aug 01 00:32:31 ? Aug 01 00:37:34 yeah I would like to delete some wifi connections tonight Aug 01 00:39:37 I cannot find where that information is stored... I thought it would be in /etc/network, but nothing there... I know it is saved someplace, but where??? Aug 01 00:44:09 _Monkey: be nice to me? Aug 01 00:44:09 <_Monkey> neostrider_: no idea Aug 01 00:44:22 _Monkey: be nice to me is hard Aug 01 00:44:22 <_Monkey> OK, NeoStrider_. Aug 01 00:44:29 MICROSOFT: (n) Acronym for Myriad Incompetent Cretins Ruined Our Society Over Failed Technology Aug 01 00:44:30 _Monkey: be nice to me? Aug 01 00:44:31 <_Monkey> bugger all, i dunno, neostrider_ Aug 01 00:44:45 damn Aug 01 00:44:56 Feral_Kid, are you here? Aug 01 00:44:58 I found it Aug 01 00:45:12 depends on what OS you are using, what OS? IT2006? Aug 01 00:46:16 _Monkey, Microsoft is http://kfmfs.com Aug 01 00:46:17 <_Monkey> OK, pupnik. Aug 01 00:47:30 erstazi> Yes Aug 01 00:47:43 I am using IT2006 Aug 01 00:47:47 Microsoft? Aug 01 00:47:47 <_Monkey> i think Microsoft is http://kfmfs.com Aug 01 00:47:59 its me or this site is down? Aug 01 00:48:35 Feral_Kid, ok, here is the deal, go to the applications menu (3rd one down on the left) and select that, then goto Tools > Control Panel > Connectivity Aug 01 00:49:10 when you select connectivity, a window will come up, select the middle button labeled Connections Aug 01 00:49:30 and from there you can delete the wlan or phone or whatever connections that you want to Aug 01 00:51:19 Feral_Kid, that is what you were looking for, right? Aug 01 00:51:27 erstazi> Actually, I am trying to copy the configurations from MMC card to my flash... So I am I looking for the file that has all of the information listed so I can copy it over.. Aug 01 00:51:44 hmm that would be in a file somewhere Aug 01 00:52:56 Yep... Aug 01 00:53:23 hmm, let me think Aug 01 00:54:13 opening x term Aug 01 01:06:09 erstazi> I still haven't been able to find it... Aug 01 01:07:37 cya fellows Aug 01 01:08:01 Feral_Kid, I am getting there looking through some debian doc... they handle wlan probably the same way since this is debian based Aug 01 01:09:09 i'm seeing external ide drives with their own power now... nice Aug 01 01:09:14 *usb ide Aug 01 01:09:22 for the usb bus Aug 01 01:16:30 Feral_Kid, I think it has to be in the documentation/wiki or somewhere Aug 01 01:16:38 either on debian or maemo docs Aug 01 01:18:42 erstazi, did u take a look at the psd Aug 01 01:19:08 Looking at debian, it is stored in netwoking-scripts... That doesn't exist... Aug 01 01:19:30 unique311, yes Aug 01 01:19:37 bad? Aug 01 01:19:59 unique311, I only glanced, still working sadly, sorry about that Aug 01 01:20:09 k Aug 01 01:27:28 where is the GConf path? Aug 01 01:31:29 /etc/gconf I think Aug 01 01:34:29 Feral_Kid, /var/lib/gconf/system/osso/connectivity/ Aug 01 01:34:30 <_Monkey> Hmm. No matches for that, erstazi. Aug 01 01:35:25 Feral_Kid, then what I get is, they are in individual files for each connection Aug 01 01:36:39 Feral_Kid, they are in their own individual directory for each connection with a %gconf.xml file which are the info/settings for that connection Aug 01 01:37:46 Note to the search engines: The thread for porting picodrive sega megadrive genesis emulator to nokia 770 N800 internet tablets http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=64513#post64513 Aug 01 01:38:46 pupnik, heh Aug 01 01:39:19 need... mor... brainnzzzzzz Aug 01 01:40:01 pupnik, I am running out of steam myself Aug 01 01:46:03 Feral_Kid, does that help? Aug 01 01:46:14 hello _Handful_ Aug 01 01:46:25 <_Handful_> hello Aug 01 01:46:26 <_Monkey> hola, _Handful_ Aug 01 01:46:42 erstazi> That was what I was looking for... Thanks... Aug 01 01:47:18 np Aug 01 01:56:09 Feral_Kid, what OS you have on your mmc? Aug 01 01:56:18 hello Blacksitox Aug 01 01:56:28 erstazi> 2006 Aug 01 01:57:05 heya erstazi ! Aug 01 01:57:09 Feral_Kid, if you type the first two characters of a nick and then hit/tap the tab key, it will complete the nick, if its not the correct one, then you can hit/tap tab again Aug 01 01:57:42 download acelerator for n800? Aug 01 01:58:30 Blacksitox, should you download that or ?? Aug 01 02:00:22 be back in a bit Aug 01 02:10:39 erstazi, yes, something like wget Aug 01 02:10:45 hello folks Aug 01 02:10:57 I've got a new alpha 4 RC3 for angstron Aug 01 02:11:08 anyone not afraid to brick his device? =-P Aug 01 02:11:23 sure Aug 01 02:12:17 I will upload it to the garage in a few minutes Aug 01 02:12:25 ( just need some testing here) Aug 01 02:12:36 ok i have to go out for a while but will try it tonight still Aug 01 02:12:48 ok =-) Aug 01 02:13:01 I will leave a notice on the news section Aug 01 02:13:04 thanks =-D Aug 01 02:14:25 oops Aug 01 02:14:28 segfaulted Aug 01 02:14:36 damn Aug 01 02:14:51 Blacksitox, have you checked the repos on maemo.org? Aug 01 02:15:00 I mean ApplicationCatalog Aug 01 02:15:10 s/repos/ApplicationCatalog Aug 01 02:15:11 erstazi, yes Aug 01 02:16:46 Blacksitox, I am not sure what there is for opera, but there might be an addon Aug 01 02:16:54 or widget as its called I believe Aug 01 02:17:41 ok thaks erstazi Aug 01 02:18:23 Blacksitox, personally, I don't use download accelerators so I cannot give advice on what to use Aug 01 02:18:30 * NeoStrider forgot to change the constants...what a idiot Aug 01 02:20:26 now angstron works =-D Aug 01 02:20:29 I love myself Aug 01 02:20:30 hahah Aug 01 02:23:20 * NeoStrider is daft as a brush Aug 01 02:23:30 nice Aug 01 02:24:26 i bet the DSP could play .mod or .midi music also Aug 01 02:24:35 mp3s are okay but take up a lot of space Aug 01 02:25:25 midi is not that simple.... Aug 01 02:25:27 * pupnik casts Level 5 ~Summon DSP guru~ in channel Aug 01 02:26:07 yes, but you can also implement only a subset of midi Aug 01 02:26:44 instrument, volume, pitch, pan Aug 01 02:27:27 any good news on psx? Aug 01 02:28:07 no Aug 01 02:28:25 well, i've been playing some of my old games Aug 01 02:28:26 wish i could help.. Aug 01 02:28:44 but i'm like so into this theming for kagu righ tnow. Aug 01 02:28:57 think obssesion might be a good word also for it. Aug 01 02:28:58 yes again there's really not much point to it Aug 01 02:29:09 i will not be beaten by a freaking theme Aug 01 02:29:18 :) Aug 01 02:29:30 not sure if you are right about no point to it. Aug 01 02:29:40 you got the software GPU to work right Aug 01 02:30:23 * NeoStrider is uploading Aug 01 02:30:28 firing up photoshop Aug 01 02:30:38 cool Aug 01 02:30:43 i'm in gimp.. Aug 01 02:30:49 it compiles and loads into pcsx, but i don't know if it works yet Aug 01 02:31:00 what im doing right now is just working on the icons .. Aug 01 02:31:23 i had to rip out the onscreen configuration code but that's not a big deal since the config is in a text file Aug 01 02:31:25 going to mail those to trevarthan when i get done, and hopefully he can put it together. Aug 01 02:31:28 with the colors Aug 01 02:32:49 pupnik, its not working as of now, why? Aug 01 02:33:30 need a cdrom emulator and an input plugin and a sound emulator to load a game Aug 01 02:34:32 how is gp2x getting pass all of these needs? Aug 01 02:35:15 they compiled all that stuff into the emulator Aug 01 02:35:51 did the guy release the source code? Aug 01 02:36:16 if thats the case..easily can work on his source code get it to compile on the n800 Aug 01 02:36:22 clever move: eat up all that gp2x got hehe Aug 01 02:36:27 yes Aug 01 02:36:29 smc Aug 01 02:36:32 there at least two different psx emus on gp2x Aug 01 02:37:03 actually a couple of good ports i got were from gp2x source Aug 01 02:37:07 DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMN! Aug 01 02:37:21 anyway merging in pieces of emus that weren't written for each other is not something i am looking forward to continuing Aug 01 02:37:53 so either pcsx is a simple build, or i won't waste time on it Aug 01 02:38:14 drpocketsnes and picodrive would be a better use of time Aug 01 02:38:14 whats wrong, frob? Aug 01 02:38:17 ill toy with gp2x Aug 01 02:38:52 picodrive...I had it on my N-Gage...it was SO good Aug 01 02:39:55 unique311, next time you send, please send it as a zip Aug 01 02:39:55 angstron in the garage! Aug 01 02:39:56 https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/1827/angstron_a4rc3_armel.zip Aug 01 02:40:12 NeoStrider: this damn toolchain insists in using hardware floating point instructions rather than the emulated ones it has been configured with Aug 01 02:40:30 what are you compiling? Aug 01 02:40:35 U-Boot Aug 01 02:40:54 dont know it Aug 01 02:41:03 you cant implement the fixed pont math? Aug 01 02:41:05 i did it =-) Aug 01 02:41:06 a boot loader Aug 01 02:41:14 you can always use mine Aug 01 02:41:17 GP Aug 01 02:41:20 GPL Aug 01 02:41:21 NeoStrider: do you need to include all the .svn stuff in your angstron distro? Aug 01 02:41:23 your boot loader? Aug 01 02:41:49 anyway, that's not the point Aug 01 02:42:01 there's a truck of soft fp libraries around Aug 01 02:42:12 I just need to build uboot Aug 01 02:43:29 * NeoStrider means his fixed point math lib Aug 01 02:43:50 why does a boot loader need floating point? Aug 01 02:43:51 frob, isnt a matter of configuring the makefile? Aug 01 02:45:24 beautiful loader screens NeoStrider Aug 01 02:45:34 angstron runs, starts and crashes after a few seconds though Aug 01 02:45:40 i was able to move around though Aug 01 02:46:25 thanks...gimp rules ;-) Aug 01 02:46:35 pupnik, try running from x-terminal Aug 01 02:46:58 I dont know why this is happening, but when called from x-terminal, I can play a lot Aug 01 02:47:04 before the memory finally floods =-P Aug 01 02:47:28 there is some small leakages...it takes times before the system gets slow Aug 01 02:48:03 and about the .svn, sorry ...this missed the eye Aug 01 02:48:39 the .svn dir is HUGE! Aug 01 02:48:59 nice - it's playable from xterm here too Aug 01 02:49:00 to me, it was quite strange that I indeed deleted a bmp file and the size of it doubled! Aug 01 02:49:07 770 or N800? Aug 01 02:49:11 779 Aug 01 02:49:14 0 Aug 01 02:49:21 speed let a lot to be desired yet... Aug 01 02:49:28 but Im quite satisfied with the visual Aug 01 02:49:45 also the IA is very dumb right now Aug 01 02:49:52 but at least, everything is very scriptable Aug 01 02:50:34 is it possible to run oprofile kernel on the device? Aug 01 02:50:49 you will also notice the repetition of level1 as level2. Im still testing some levels to enter in the normal flux of the game Aug 01 02:50:58 oprofile kernel? Aug 01 02:51:09 whats that? Aug 01 02:51:10 <_Monkey> that is, like, part of the puzzle collection Aug 01 02:51:35 there are different ways to profile with gcc and i don't know how to do it yet Aug 01 02:51:37 thank you for the insightful comment, _Monkey...you are the smartest member of the channel right now =-P Aug 01 02:51:50 it is a puzzle Aug 01 02:51:55 wise _Monkey Aug 01 02:52:00 haahhaha Aug 01 02:52:24 you mean the way gcc generates the binary code? Aug 01 02:52:41 like a fatter profile and a thiner one? Aug 01 02:52:47 or maybe a faster but buggy Aug 01 02:52:52 or a secure but slower? Aug 01 02:53:02 profiling? Aug 01 02:53:11 yeah...i dont know Aug 01 02:53:20 profiling is generating statistics about how much time a program spends in different routines Aug 01 02:53:23 I just call g++ and focus on the errors =-P Aug 01 02:53:30 hummm...nice! Aug 01 02:53:44 whats the name of the package? Aug 01 02:54:20 it is a big subject and i don't know much about it - see maemo-devel list and gcc docs Aug 01 02:54:27 and debian-arm Aug 01 02:55:10 i did manage to generate profile data on the 770 and use that in a second pass of gcc, but i don't know if it was correct what i did Aug 01 02:55:48 let me guess: good for optimizations? Aug 01 02:56:05 yes there are two ways it is useful Aug 01 02:56:14 the system uses it for heuristicly diciding when to do inline and stuff like that Aug 01 02:56:30 1) you can parse the output data to generate graphs and statistics for your manual optimizing Aug 01 02:56:56 and 2) the compiler can use the data to try to automate optimizations, from the gp2x developer forum some say they got +15% speed Aug 01 02:57:13 I want that 15% on angstron! Aug 01 02:57:15 I NEED it! Aug 01 02:57:19 yes Aug 01 02:57:21 tell me the name of the tool Aug 01 02:57:24 please Aug 01 02:57:28 gcc Aug 01 02:57:34 ¬¬ Aug 01 02:58:10 how to use gcc to do this? Aug 01 02:58:25 ("good questions deserve better answers") Aug 01 02:58:25 -fprofile-arcs -- for the initial compile Aug 01 02:58:26 -fbranch-probabilities -- to take account of the information written after the run Aug 01 02:58:37 there is also Aug 01 02:58:46 -fprofile-generate and -fprofile-use Aug 01 02:59:04 man gcc Aug 01 02:59:10 yeah Aug 01 02:59:17 derf might know something real :) Aug 01 02:59:21 thats exactly what im doing right now Aug 01 02:59:29 i heard -fprofile-arcs only was useful for x86, but that might be wrong Aug 01 02:59:34 I don't bother with profiling. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Aug 01 02:59:57 2007