**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Aug 05 02:59:56 2007 Aug 05 03:02:14 http://cache.gizmodo.com/archives/images/sony_psp_keyboard1.jpg Aug 05 03:02:18 wonder how that works Aug 05 03:03:53 http://www.gearlive.com/index.php/news/article/logic_3_psp_keyboard_03030640/ more suitable for the 770 Aug 05 03:10:44 hello Aug 05 03:16:44 is there a way to get PAN working on the nokia Aug 05 03:16:52 without running a script every single time Aug 05 03:25:07 http://users.skynet.be/bk258512/idiot_test.swf Aug 05 03:29:17 wee, I made it to brilliant... Iz iz so martsz! Aug 05 03:41:21 damnit im so close Aug 05 03:41:26 i foudn a softmodem app Aug 05 03:41:34 and it works for like 2 minutes then the phone locks up Aug 05 03:54:18 mmm there are some good RPGs (2D) for psx Aug 05 03:54:18 [6~ Aug 05 03:54:18 23 Aug 05 04:15:08 lalalaa Aug 05 04:15:29 ok so im gonna install a new custom rom that is supposed ot have BT dun working by default and stably.. so hopefully it works Aug 05 04:17:07 anyone have rtl hebrew or arabic working in either browser? Aug 05 04:18:58 yeah, didnt think so Aug 05 04:19:06 haha Aug 05 04:25:34 Herbs Obtained! Aug 05 04:26:05 hey pupnik_ Aug 05 04:26:06 <_Monkey> i guess pupnik_ is right, you can use a proxy to get rid of the error messages Aug 05 04:26:19 heh hihi Aug 05 04:29:03 what's up NeoStrider Aug 05 04:32:48 . Aug 05 04:36:21 sigh Aug 05 04:36:30 off to brick my n800 Aug 05 04:37:43 dont brick it Aug 05 04:37:50 installing canola Aug 05 04:37:55 its either not working or taking forever Aug 05 04:38:08 possibly both Aug 05 04:38:21 nah thats no fun.. Aug 05 04:38:31 i though when it asked where to go it was done Aug 05 04:38:37 well, they arent exclusive. Aug 05 04:38:41 but after it asked i still have 25% of tbar left Aug 05 04:38:50 ok it finished.. final verdict.. slow as fuck install Aug 05 04:39:13 i think my n800 half crashed Aug 05 04:39:19 the taskbar on the left is gone Aug 05 04:39:23 it happens Aug 05 04:40:07 how do i unhappen it... Aug 05 04:40:12 restart Aug 05 04:40:13 omfg i turned off an on and its tripping Aug 05 04:40:30 now the spot is still blank and th bar is not half an inch over Aug 05 04:40:33 brrr Aug 05 04:40:49 how do i restart Aug 05 04:41:00 i usually use the shell Aug 05 04:41:08 well im not cool enough for that Aug 05 04:41:15 second option is shut off on the power button menu Aug 05 04:41:26 third is to yank the battery Aug 05 04:41:31 is that the same and pressing and holding the power button Aug 05 04:41:35 oh no.. nvm Aug 05 04:41:39 i see the difference now Aug 05 04:41:56 the screen on the nokia is beautiful btw Aug 05 04:43:40 so pupnik_ ,how is the games going on? Aug 05 04:44:01 (answering to your question...im working on the game engine scripting system...the LISP thingy) Aug 05 04:44:50 cool Aug 05 04:45:01 i'm playing an RPG right now Aug 05 04:45:39 omfg full bt dun finally Aug 05 04:45:42 i love you helmi Aug 05 04:46:22 now i just need a screen protector and a stowaway and im in heaven Aug 05 04:46:48 FLife Vessel obtained! Aug 05 04:47:43 speakeasy speedtest gave me 409kb/s down... 89kb/s up... awesome Aug 05 04:47:59 haha i can actually torrent with this little devil :) Aug 05 04:48:06 better go get some more batteries for it Aug 05 04:48:23 that's about my max dl also Aug 05 04:48:40 me happy man Aug 05 04:48:55 i was scared bt tethering would be slower Aug 05 04:48:58 the torrent clients are pretty heavy cpuewise Aug 05 04:49:24 pupnik_, even bittorrent? Aug 05 04:49:31 i would only use it to get new ebooks Aug 05 04:49:42 which will be the primary or secondary use of my nokia Aug 05 04:49:45 sad, eh Aug 05 04:53:18 if you find out other ways to lighten-up ebooks let us know Aug 05 04:53:30 lighten up? Aug 05 04:53:53 yes they are heavy Aug 05 04:54:05 interesting Aug 05 04:54:10 what best kind of memory card to get Aug 05 04:54:13 big Aug 05 04:54:29 sd, mini, mmc? Aug 05 04:54:47 are the 8gigs worth it? Aug 05 04:54:55 what nokia tablet do you have Aug 05 04:55:00 n800 Aug 05 04:55:16 then some kind of sd Aug 05 04:56:08 Received the Book of Elna! Aug 05 04:58:58 pupnik_, well, I now realize what I have to do to get aircrack to work but at the moment, I have to put that aside Aug 05 04:59:52 aireplay-ng, last I checked, the deb doesn't work on my 770 OS2006, and I think aireplay-ng is only for OS2007 Aug 05 04:59:58 I could be wrong on that though /: Aug 05 05:00:28 not sure what muliner has compiled Aug 05 05:00:35 but compile it yourself - console tools are easy Aug 05 05:00:57 aircrack-ptw works by using special .cap files as input where aireplay-ng outputes those .cap files Aug 05 05:01:14 by injecting arp packets Aug 05 05:01:15 what theres wep cracking tools for the n770? Aug 05 05:01:22 wolloper, yes Aug 05 05:01:30 :/ Aug 05 05:01:33 where i get \o/ Aug 05 05:01:35 pupnik_, I might fire up scratchbox tonight Aug 05 05:01:49 wolloper, do you know about aircrack-ng suite? Aug 05 05:01:54 nope Aug 05 05:01:56 ok Aug 05 05:02:14 do tell Aug 05 05:02:50 aireplay-ng is part of the aircrack-ng suite, it injects arp packets and outputs .cap files to aircrack-ptw (which is available for 770) Aug 05 05:03:02 then you can bypass a WEP key Aug 05 05:03:05 kool Aug 05 05:03:30 any like wireless information tools Aug 05 05:03:47 the issue is: the deb for aireplay-ng didn't install because of compatibility, but I will verify that again Aug 05 05:03:50 wolloper, tons Aug 05 05:04:00 im just new with me n770 atm Aug 05 05:04:01 wolloper, do you know how to edit sources.list? Aug 05 05:04:08 yeah Aug 05 05:04:11 if not, I can give you the walk through Aug 05 05:04:15 yeah i do Aug 05 05:04:19 do you have xterm (advanced) installed? Aug 05 05:04:30 i dont think so Aug 05 05:04:33 openssh (prefered by me) or dropbear installed? Aug 05 05:04:50 none of them atm Aug 05 05:04:50 really, what you need is openssh Aug 05 05:05:04 xterm (advanced) is for you to use on your nokia770 Aug 05 05:05:09 you can use that later Aug 05 05:05:14 kk Aug 05 05:05:22 go to http://maemo.org and search for openssh Aug 05 05:05:31 yeah Aug 05 05:05:34 got that in my sourcers Aug 05 05:05:40 you will see application catalog, select that Aug 05 05:05:45 yeah Aug 05 05:05:47 i have it in there Aug 05 05:05:50 and can see openssh Aug 05 05:05:55 its late here atm Aug 05 05:06:00 just need a list of what i need Aug 05 05:06:02 then locate the ip address for your nokia, are you using linux or windows on your pc? Aug 05 05:06:12 wolloper, depends on what you want to do (: Aug 05 05:06:18 true Aug 05 05:06:22 windows Aug 05 05:06:22 <_Monkey> well, windows is a flashy MS-DOS shell Aug 05 05:06:24 my list of items are completely different than say pupnik_'s Aug 05 05:06:30 i know the ip of my nokia Aug 05 05:06:32 wolloper, download PuTTy Aug 05 05:06:36 i k Aug 05 05:06:38 wolloper, you will need it Aug 05 05:06:39 i know how to use putty Aug 05 05:06:49 just a list of stuff plz Aug 05 05:07:05 wolloper, sorry, just going off the bases of a complete new user, I can't expect you to know Aug 05 05:07:21 wolloper, let me give you a link to my sources.list: http://c-wd.net/sources.list Aug 05 05:07:24 k Aug 05 05:07:37 get xterm (advanced only, not the other one) Aug 05 05:07:58 I suggest maemopad (not plus, its slower and bloated and with maemopad you can edit more) Aug 05 05:08:24 install becomeroot Aug 05 05:08:28 openssh Aug 05 05:08:29 <_Monkey> openssh is the one I've used Aug 05 05:09:15 someone should teach monkey the urls / repos for openssh Aug 05 05:09:47 for networking stuff: iphome, kismet, samba, smbbrowser, smbclient (am I missing more smb stuff pupnik_?) Aug 05 05:09:59 also install wget, nmap (forgot that one) Aug 05 05:10:19 wolloper, what irc client do you prefer? Aug 05 05:10:30 yeah samba would be very useful Aug 05 05:10:30 xchat Aug 05 05:10:49 wolloper, good, install maemo-xchat Aug 05 05:10:53 i have Aug 05 05:10:56 ok good Aug 05 05:11:11 _Monkey: xchat is a gtk-based IRC client. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/maemo-xchat/ Aug 05 05:11:12 <_Monkey> OK, pupnik_. Aug 05 05:11:29 xchat? Aug 05 05:11:30 <_Monkey> somebody said xchat was a gtk-based IRC client. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/maemo-xchat/ Aug 05 05:11:34 ok Aug 05 05:11:50 um... links or links2, pupnik_ has a nice solution for links2 Aug 05 05:12:00 just incase opera starts acting up Aug 05 05:12:01 which it does Aug 05 05:12:09 you can install minimo but I have not installed it Aug 05 05:12:17 Who is better: Xchat os Pidgin (with irc plugin)? Aug 05 05:12:25 * or Pidgin Aug 05 05:12:27 tbh Aug 05 05:12:31 fixed up .debs for links2 and dependencies - if you have problems with it let me know Aug 05 05:12:32 i want msn running fine on it Aug 05 05:12:32 DaniloCesar, xchat Aug 05 05:12:36 that pidgin is SHIT Aug 05 05:12:52 lol... Pidgin rules with jabber and MSN Aug 05 05:13:02 DaniloCesar, pidgin opens a new window for every response from freenode and nickserv and chanserv Aug 05 05:13:05 very annoying Aug 05 05:13:17 nhaca Aug 05 05:13:28 how about voice recognition and a voice-driven ui? :) Aug 05 05:13:34 I did'nt knew it Aug 05 05:13:36 and speech-to-text for chat and irc? Aug 05 05:13:37 wolloper, I suggest getting gizmo or something simular, because its wonderful to just use wifi and call someone Aug 05 05:13:59 pupnik_, that would be nice, but I am very sure it would be a resource hog Aug 05 05:14:09 speech-to-text works????? Aug 05 05:14:12 how hard would it to take a current FOSS project and port that? Aug 05 05:14:30 or have you been busy without me knowing pupnik_?? Aug 05 05:14:46 i am just saying it'd be fun Aug 05 05:14:59 where can I found a S2T software? Aug 05 05:15:01 pupnik_, well, I would be willing to test it and help package it Aug 05 05:15:03 erstazi Aug 05 05:15:03 <_Monkey> erstazi is, like, rusty on porting to a different arch Aug 05 05:15:05 i dont wana call Aug 05 05:15:07 i wana use msn Aug 05 05:15:08 ie Aug 05 05:15:11 msgs Aug 05 05:15:17 DaniloCesar, there isn't any for it Aug 05 05:15:24 wolloper, you can, gaim Aug 05 05:15:46 wolloper, install maemo-gaim then install the protocol you want Aug 05 05:16:11 for the protocol you want it would be: maemo-gaim-protocol-msn Aug 05 05:16:31 if you like last.fm, get maemoscrobbler Aug 05 05:16:55 you can also install nano for using in xterm (advanced) Aug 05 05:17:13 better get ncurses-base also Aug 05 05:17:27 I should write something up about all this Aug 05 05:17:48 pupnik_, how does _Monkey store its data? Aug 05 05:20:22 pupnik_, speech to text irc, there is a client...i use to use it, but the only problem is that not many use it. Aug 05 05:20:37 when i can remember the name i'll give you a shoult Aug 05 05:21:12 unique311, I am going to find a foss solutin, there are ways to edit the input method Aug 05 05:21:19 and just add that to the xml file Aug 05 05:22:11 there really should be a #maemo-dev or something Aug 05 05:22:55 for serious questions there is a mailing list Aug 05 05:24:28 pupnik_, well I mean for development, it would spur it more Aug 05 05:26:40 Sphinx-4 is open source but uses java Aug 05 05:26:49 so I think that would be an issue Aug 05 05:29:17 anybody ever use chatzilla as an irc client..? Aug 05 05:29:22 the firefox extension Aug 05 05:30:48 unique311, yes Aug 05 05:31:02 I have used it for a few days, wasn't impressed Aug 05 05:33:39 you can get audicity on a n770 Aug 05 05:36:04 i think audacity has stopped being horrible Aug 05 05:36:22 pupnik_, well, I get bug reports all the time on it Aug 05 05:36:56 every day, I get at least 10 bugs emailed to me about *something* relating to audacity Aug 05 05:37:09 s/audicity/audacity Aug 05 05:37:09 you made it? Aug 05 05:37:14 heck no Aug 05 05:37:44 :) Aug 05 05:37:46 I just help with bugs Aug 05 05:37:52 good to hear Aug 05 05:37:55 I don't have time to develop an app like that Aug 05 05:38:23 i hated the UI at first Aug 05 05:38:26 now, I would like to but time is hard to manage anymore haha Aug 05 05:38:47 i spent years using sound forge, so a change in ui is very difficult for me personally Aug 05 05:39:23 yeah I can understand that Aug 05 05:39:30 that would be like changing favorite editors Aug 05 05:41:51 im done for today Aug 05 05:41:56 ok cu Aug 05 05:42:00 got my lispy on step further Aug 05 05:42:10 as much as the angstron wiki Aug 05 05:42:17 g'night fellows Aug 05 05:42:20 NeoStrider, good night (: Aug 05 05:42:35 peace Aug 05 05:42:58 pupnik_, what is flite? doesn't that do speech to text? Aug 05 05:43:05 text to speech Aug 05 05:43:36 oh poo Aug 05 05:43:43 I just read that backwards Aug 05 05:57:28 . Aug 05 06:05:06 ok had to reboot and forgot to start irc haha Aug 05 06:09:20 :)~ Aug 05 06:09:43 ok, now focusing on porting Aug 05 06:10:13 ok it is working for real now Aug 05 06:10:21 over an hour and the phone hasnt crashed Aug 05 06:10:43 the update held.. so now i can work on squeezing the fun functionality out of the n800 instead of basics Aug 05 06:10:52 im gonna get tversity so i can stream sirius Aug 05 06:11:19 ordered a 4gb sdhc on ebay Aug 05 06:11:33 that should be good for holding tv episodes Aug 05 06:11:44 is divx/xvid confirmed? Aug 05 06:11:48 i guess ill try canola Aug 05 06:13:21 are there screen protectors made for the n800 Aug 05 06:13:34 i mean the little tab is annoying me Aug 05 06:13:49 and the screen is too pretty to not have a cover Aug 05 06:13:56 i cant even see the touchscreen grid on it Aug 05 06:13:57 thats nuts Aug 05 06:17:08 anyoen alive? Aug 05 06:17:34 setite, yeah but I need to reboot, brb Aug 05 06:17:39 bah Aug 05 06:28:34 hello Aug 05 06:28:35 <_Monkey> que tal, erstazi Aug 05 06:33:16 i hear the n800 screen is even better than the 770 Aug 05 06:33:21 that's hard to believe :) Aug 05 06:37:20 pupnik_, I don't feel I am missing much, except the sd flash memory ): Aug 05 06:39:45 yes, the two slots on the n800 surprised me.. Aug 05 06:40:22 well, pupnik_ I can see why they did that, its lacking a harddrive so they had to compensate it Aug 05 06:40:42 personally, I am satisfied with rs-mmc's prices compared to the price of SD memory Aug 05 06:41:28 i think i paid 80 euro for 2 GB Aug 05 06:42:26 .. Aug 05 06:42:45 hi MaemoUS Aug 05 06:42:53 also the durability... i love how hard the plastic is on the 770, plus the strong aluminum case Aug 05 06:43:06 pupnik_, my 770 has taken a beaten so far Aug 05 06:43:29 I have been worried about the screen a few times but nothing is wrong with it Aug 05 06:45:38 /: Aug 05 06:45:50 well, you type hi, they leave Aug 05 06:47:45 heh Aug 05 06:48:03 do you have a debian based pc? Aug 05 06:49:31 yes Aug 05 06:49:52 so does my wife and the kids use DSL Aug 05 06:50:02 cool Aug 05 06:51:26 pupnik_, yourself? Aug 05 06:51:32 * pupnik_ is *cough* testing playstation emulators Aug 05 06:51:38 heh Aug 05 06:52:04 pupnik_, debian has gone a long way, and honestly, I didn't know it was around when slackware was, because I would have used it then Aug 05 06:52:09 yea i started with slackware redhat back in the 90s, played with suse and gentoo then discovered kanotix community back in 2003 or so Aug 05 06:52:11 Can anyone tell me what the best 8GB SHDC card is for the n800? Aug 05 06:52:17 since then it's been debian sid Aug 05 06:53:00 anyway nice to hear you have debian experience erstazi - makes porting stuff easier Aug 05 06:53:06 ffoegboy: no idea Aug 05 06:53:41 pupnik_, maybe they are all the same anyway? Aug 05 06:54:27 i think not - search internettablettalk.com forums - maybe there are problem reports Aug 05 06:54:48 ffoegboy, don't let them know you think that, then they will have to come up with another reason ones are more expensive than the others (: Aug 05 06:55:26 I use CentOS on my servers, except the one contract I am on, they wanted ubuntu and they got what they wanted Aug 05 06:56:10 tee hee Aug 05 06:56:34 erstazi, ahmen to that LOL Aug 05 06:57:14 well, sometimes I do say, "I do not suggest this (OS|DIstro)" Aug 05 06:57:15 but its rare Aug 05 06:57:34 its usually when they say that they want IIS running Aug 05 06:57:48 that I freeze up and give the deep stare Aug 05 06:58:23 i hate how microsoft is 'infecting' universities Aug 05 06:58:46 oh well Aug 05 06:59:28 honestly, I see a big push for open source anymore, but microsoft offers free discs to students Aug 05 06:59:46 if your kids like jump-n-run games they might like Secret Maryo Chronicles (new 1.0 just hit debian sid) Aug 05 07:00:44 nice Aug 05 07:00:50 I will have to check that deb out Aug 05 07:01:02 needs opengl (any card will do) Aug 05 07:01:03 sadly, they just like myspace and those pathetic sites Aug 05 07:01:07 ok Aug 05 07:01:16 I might block those sites Aug 05 07:01:24 tyrant! Aug 05 07:01:25 :) Aug 05 07:01:27 haha Aug 05 07:01:42 seriously, too much drama these kids are having Aug 05 07:01:53 drama? myspace? Aug 05 07:02:12 yes, these kids argue with each other on myspace Aug 05 07:02:22 too much of anything is bad i guess... Aug 05 07:02:27 of course Aug 05 07:02:38 I was only allowed 2 hours on the pc when I was their age Aug 05 07:02:54 wait, it was less than that Aug 05 07:02:56 btw re: "too much of something" - everyone on the internet should read E.M. Forster's 1904 short story 'The Machine Stops' which predicted the internet Aug 05 07:03:18 and the social effects Aug 05 07:03:21 during when school was in session, it was an hour Aug 05 07:03:27 I bet that is on ebook Aug 05 07:03:29 heh.. nice Aug 05 07:03:34 it's online in html form Aug 05 07:04:03 it's pretty uncanny - shortly after the introduction of electricity someone evisions a society and things like myspace Aug 05 07:04:17 s/and/with/ Aug 05 07:04:17 pupnik_ meant: it's pretty uncanny - shortly after the introduction of electricity someone evisions a society with things like myspace Aug 05 07:04:25 http://www.plexus.org/forster/index.html Aug 05 07:04:42 erstazi what was the repository you mentioned? Aug 05 07:05:06 Chiliblue, um, which one? http://c-wd.net/sources.list ? Aug 05 07:06:46 so do I use the allication installing app and add that to this or just edit the sources.list on the n770 in bash Aug 05 07:07:15 I would like to thank Nokia for shipping two styli with my nokia, I use the one as a reason to quit smoking Aug 05 07:07:44 oh erstazi I ended up with beardrop not openssh....could find the compatible version of openssh for some reason Aug 05 07:07:52 Chiliblue, first, thats only for the 770, second, I would ssh to your nokia, then copy and paste it into your sources.list Aug 05 07:08:00 s/could/couldm't Aug 05 07:08:06 Chiliblue, osso-openssh Aug 05 07:08:11 heh /me will try the stylus in mouth trick also Aug 05 07:08:25 pupnik_, well, I am a hypocrite, I am smoking right now Aug 05 07:08:31 me too Aug 05 07:08:38 but it does help curve the cravings, so does chantix (sp) Aug 05 07:08:40 good point, I only installed the client not the server in any case Aug 05 07:08:57 american spirit organic tobacco though - no additives Aug 05 07:09:01 its a newer drug out there that you smoke while you are on it, and it basically takes away the physical cravings of nicotine Aug 05 07:09:13 yes i read of it Aug 05 07:09:14 pupnik_, I smoke Pall Malls Aug 05 07:10:16 Chiliblue, personally, I find it easier to ssh sometimes Aug 05 07:10:33 I do, when I am on the road, use the virtual keyboard Aug 05 07:10:56 maybe soon I will buy one of the compatible bluetooth keyboards but no rush Aug 05 07:11:17 hi DempaRose Aug 05 07:11:24 Chili, you got a ghost? Aug 05 07:11:27 hi all! Is somebody else having problems with ncursses-bin beeing broken? Aug 05 07:11:51 DempaRose, which OS/maemo do you have Aug 05 07:12:16 erstazi, what I have is the worst DSL line in the world Aug 05 07:12:26 os2007, the newest version Aug 05 07:12:32 Chili, I can think of worse haha Aug 05 07:12:37 DempaRose, n800? Aug 05 07:12:46 yes Aug 05 07:12:59 DempaRose, as opposed to 770 with os2007 (just making sure) Aug 05 07:13:40 DempaRose, with OS2007, I am not sure about ncurses-bin being broken, are you sure you got the right one for your OS? Aug 05 07:13:47 no, n800 with os2007 Aug 05 07:14:32 ncurses-bin 5.5-1mh2 is the version Aug 05 07:14:40 ok Aug 05 07:14:49 DempaRose, are you trying to install it? Aug 05 07:15:36 it's installed but broken Aug 05 07:16:17 ah Aug 05 07:16:49 update available but refuses to install due to breakage with the installed version Aug 05 07:17:08 DempaRose, you might want to reinstall it Aug 05 07:19:04 trying to uninstall it just gives me an error Aug 05 07:19:49 what does it say? Aug 05 07:20:13 seems like you need to reconfigure the package Aug 05 07:20:26 “could not remove package ncurses-bin“ Aug 05 07:21:22 DempaRose, do you have xterm? Aug 05 07:21:51 sure Aug 05 07:22:04 hold a sec Aug 05 07:22:54 apt-get remove ncurses-bin tells me too reinstall before uninstalling Aug 05 07:23:17 you might need ncurses-base Aug 05 07:23:24 try apt-get install ncurses-base Aug 05 07:26:18 which Media Streamer in linux is good for nokia 770 ? Aug 05 07:26:28 fails, mv: /usr/bin/clear no such file or dir Aug 05 07:26:56 suma, the one in the repos or maemo (same thing) are good Aug 05 07:27:07 DempaRose, odd Aug 05 07:27:30 DempaRose, check on maemo.org for ncurses-base Aug 05 07:27:35 I think that might be your problem Aug 05 07:27:38 but I could be wrong Aug 05 07:27:47 erstazi: Media Streamer Server to serve files to nokia 770 ! Aug 05 07:27:50 ok, hold on Aug 05 07:28:19 suma, haha sorry, I would use slimserver (I use that) or xmms(2)d server Aug 05 07:28:36 slimserver is nice though (: Aug 05 07:29:01 hi saerdnaer Aug 05 07:29:16 hi Aug 05 07:29:57 i see, i have gmediastreamer but for somereason it did not work Aug 05 07:30:02 i will check it out Aug 05 07:31:28 no ncurses-base at maemo.org when I search :s Aug 05 07:32:51 ok, I am going to read The Machine Stops Aug 05 07:32:53 night all Aug 05 07:34:06 :) cool - cu Aug 05 07:38:20 oh christ, its on audio as well, I can stream the book being read to me Aug 05 07:38:26 saves my eye sight! Aug 05 07:38:28 ok good night Aug 05 07:43:47 anyone here Aug 05 07:43:58 im curious if anyone has experience using two routers Aug 05 07:44:29 i wanna use my second router as a wireless AP>. but im trying to see if i can get it to connect to the same home network as my wired computers... without wiring them to the same router Aug 05 07:44:30 in what way? Aug 05 07:44:53 i had it set up in AP mode Aug 05 07:45:03 use the router's LAN port Aug 05 07:45:08 seemed to be working but then it stopped Aug 05 07:45:13 hmm Aug 05 07:45:25 I have a wireless router setup like that, kind of. Turn off DHCP and plug it in to everything else through a LAN port Aug 05 07:45:26 well if i dont set it to AP the second router goes and plays in the corner by itself Aug 05 07:45:58 ok... problem now is i think i changed its webadmin page and now i cant get into its settings... stupid me Aug 05 07:46:07 im gonna have to hold the reset button longer Aug 05 07:46:08 the other way is to plug in the wan port and let it play like it's on its own network, which works if you just want to get out to the internet Aug 05 07:46:12 On a more Maemo theme, has anyone made a set of udev rules for external keyboards, etc on the N770? Aug 05 07:46:29 nah bldewolf thats no good.. i need my n800 to see my other home media Aug 05 07:46:40 yeah, I figured Aug 05 07:46:40 maemo-gtk-im-switch, etc... Aug 05 07:46:52 Haven't figured out udev yet :(( Aug 05 07:49:03 setite, I have my wireless router as 192.168.1.2 and my main one is 192.168.1.1, so I can still get to the config page. Then adjust the DHCP range on your main router to exclude that IP and you're set Aug 05 07:49:32 ok i got it to reset now i can work on making sure the settings are right Aug 05 07:49:50 so disable dhcp Aug 05 07:50:28 yeah, your main one does DHCP right? two dhcp servers tends to cause chaos Aug 05 07:50:35 yea it does Aug 05 07:50:47 imma turn on access point mode Aug 05 07:54:13 its odd because canola worked sorta for a minute Aug 05 07:54:23 it saw the orb service that is on my home network Aug 05 07:54:36 so i installed tversity.. trying to figure ou thow it works Aug 05 07:55:14 that lets you switch channels and transcode live video ? Aug 05 07:57:21 something like that Aug 05 07:57:28 it will transcode the media on my system Aug 05 07:57:36 not sure its actual tv capabilities Aug 05 07:57:51 how many of you utilize a dyndns for a home server Aug 05 08:00:09 they sport automatic configuration for the n800 Aug 05 08:02:37 im tryign to use dyndns to set up a simple way to access my media Aug 05 08:02:47 i have the dyndns working Aug 05 08:03:07 btut whenever i access it all i get is the webadmin page for my router Aug 05 08:04:27 do you have other wlan devices like a laptop or computer with wlan? Aug 05 08:04:49 i should.. having a helluva time finding my usb wifi stick Aug 05 08:05:10 but right now im working on being able to access from anywhere.. ive abandoned the home network thing when i realized i didnt need it Aug 05 08:05:32 i'm not sure i understand 'dyndns' Aug 05 08:05:36 you mean dhcp? Aug 05 08:05:42 tversity should give me a nice gui on the web... so if i point it to the right url tversity's gui should show up Aug 05 08:06:00 no dyndns.. for accessing a pc from anywhere.. i basically made a url for my pc Aug 05 08:06:11 oh i get it Aug 05 08:06:31 like david.is-a-geek.com and my router has the credentials and will update the ip associated with that whenever it changes Aug 05 08:07:14 it can be hard to test from inside your network Aug 05 08:07:18 i think i may take the credentials off the router and update dyndns from an actual software app.. i dont need to access my router admin from a remote location... it would be nice to do if my router could be restarted from there as it often stays running but stops routing Aug 05 08:08:08 well it works Aug 05 08:08:20 i can access my router's admin page from any pc Aug 05 08:08:26 i tried it tethered to my cellphones data Aug 05 08:08:32 ah ok Aug 05 08:09:01 but i cant figure out how to access my webserver from outside the network Aug 05 08:09:08 so thats a problem Aug 05 08:09:30 setite: what type of router is it? Aug 05 08:09:38 if you can run openwrt on it, then you're set. Aug 05 08:09:40 did you set up a rule to forward port 80 to an internal pc? Aug 05 08:09:42 i should be able to access my media two ways right now.. through tversity's gui which will transcode for me.. and through an apache webserver where i can actually download the media Aug 05 08:09:54 yea from what ive read openwrt wont work Aug 05 08:10:06 its a linksys befsr41v3 Aug 05 08:10:13 what router is it Aug 05 08:10:20 (cause what people read is usually wrong) Aug 05 08:10:34 ok, you've probably read right for that one :-) Aug 05 08:10:49 i think there was something about my model not having enough ram.. or there was more than one model and the way of determining if it was the right one was too tedious and i said phuck it Aug 05 08:11:09 this si not really a routing issue.. at least i dont think so Aug 05 08:11:11 step one in buying a router is to make sure there is open source replacement firmware for it ;-) Aug 05 08:11:29 well this router was bought like 5 or more years ago :) Aug 05 08:11:35 wasnt thinking about openwrt then Aug 05 08:11:53 well, if it could run openwrt, then you could one of the built in dyndns agents, and use the x-wrt gui to do all your firewalling and port forwarding in a user friendly manner Aug 05 08:12:16 can someone suggest Media Streamer Server to serve files to nokia 770 ? Aug 05 08:12:36 ok well removing the credentials didnt chagne anything Aug 05 08:12:59 this is what its going to do.. so i need to find a way to perhaps put my webserver on the outside Aug 05 08:13:04 im scared of DMZ though Aug 05 08:14:28 * pupnik is still too happy to have linux on a pda Aug 05 08:15:24 suma, i don't know. i set up a shared directory on pc and play the media that way Aug 05 08:15:56 ok i read wrong Aug 05 08:16:00 it works through canola Aug 05 08:16:03 so lemme open canola Aug 05 08:22:12 hey pupnik can you help me with canola Aug 05 08:22:17 i have no idea how to use it Aug 05 08:23:25 me neither Aug 05 08:25:30 * timelyx cries Aug 05 08:25:35 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1756 Aug 05 08:25:41 what am i supposed to say to this guy? Aug 05 08:27:04 tell him to piss off :) Aug 05 08:27:15 ask him how to reproduce the problem Aug 05 08:27:29 man i am at a loss for why my maemo is on crack... Aug 05 08:29:28 ask him to buy you a blueberry bagel with philadelphia cream cheese.. lots of creem chees Aug 05 08:29:35 cream cheese* Aug 05 08:31:58 ok my canola is definitely acting up now Aug 05 08:32:19 when i go to view shared video or audio.. the loagind circle never stops turning and nothing shows up Aug 05 08:33:12 pupnik: you need samba client to access those ones right ? Aug 05 08:33:42 samba or nfs Aug 05 08:36:58 i liek nfs Aug 05 08:37:00 but its evil Aug 05 08:37:11 its not made for windozers like m Aug 05 08:37:42 i mean im not an idiot by a long shot.. despite how stupid i seem on here.. most of my questions are more of me thinking out loud than asking... Aug 05 08:37:56 but nfs proved to be a pain in my ass to set up without a step by step guide Aug 05 08:38:47 both works Aug 05 08:39:04 nfs is so much better Aug 05 08:39:15 streams HD transport streams Aug 05 08:39:22 samba doesnt Aug 05 08:39:39 i didn't know this Aug 05 08:40:19 yea streaming is alot of what i do Aug 05 08:40:26 i like to be able to stream to every toy i know Aug 05 08:40:31 nice Aug 05 08:40:44 i have an hd projector.. and strreaming hd content over samba simply didnt work for more than about 3 seconds Aug 05 08:41:03 waah i want a projector too Aug 05 08:41:20 eventually i would like to control my pvr throughout the house with 770 Aug 05 08:41:25 but NFS not only moves through all the menus as if you were browsing directories from the same device.. but starts up the streams almost immediately and doesnt stutter on hd Aug 05 08:41:27 set recording times, preview stuff Aug 05 08:41:41 that would be known as a upnp remote? Aug 05 08:42:04 i don't know i have to see what people are doing Aug 05 08:42:06 oh canola has a room here Aug 05 08:42:26 oh man.. that channel is a joke Aug 05 08:43:04 do you run a pvr type device for recording tv? Aug 05 08:44:36 i wish Aug 05 08:44:45 i need a better pvr Aug 05 08:45:04 only one i have is a gay scientific atlanta hd cable box/dvr Aug 05 08:45:11 but its a pretty locked down device Aug 05 08:45:30 i suppose when i figure out how to use firewire i can start getting shit off it Aug 05 08:45:33 i should ask you Aug 05 08:45:37 whats iwth firewire Aug 05 08:45:52 there are more than one types.. like the amoutn of pins or something Aug 05 08:45:53 i bought a hauppauge dual analog card which should be good enough for low-bandwidth captures Aug 05 08:46:17 i have a fusion hdtv 3 hd tuner card and a wintv 1500 methinks Aug 05 08:46:23 nice Aug 05 08:46:27 i have them in a rig that is supposed to be a htpc Aug 05 08:46:36 but i made the mistake of installing vista Aug 05 08:47:00 and its been fighting me because the new samba implementation doesnt play fair Aug 05 08:47:19 made my hd media box worthless since it doesnt support the new protocol Aug 05 08:47:34 microsoft likes to break their compatibility with 'improvements' Aug 05 08:47:35 how do i restart my n800 Aug 05 08:47:40 i seem to be missing the manual Aug 05 08:47:53 there's this power button on top Aug 05 08:48:03 well i mean like really restart it Aug 05 08:48:13 is that a true restart Aug 05 08:48:22 pressing ans selecting shut off Aug 05 08:48:40 canola site says Aug 05 08:48:40 After installation, reboot the device without the cable plugged in Aug 05 08:48:40 Hold the fullscreen button while touching the arrows to make a "page end" or "home" Aug 05 08:48:47 you can send it to me, i'll restart it for you Aug 05 08:49:04 (might take a few weeks though) :) Aug 05 08:50:05 can i plug in the headphones but still make audio play throught hte speakers Aug 05 08:52:56 Morning, all Aug 05 08:53:10 morning Jaffa Aug 05 08:53:13 don't know Aug 05 08:53:21 use Canola Jaffa? Aug 05 08:53:23 setite: yes, but only in the FM Radio IIRC Aug 05 08:53:31 i thought so Aug 05 08:53:41 i saw it make some error saying failed to swithc audio... Aug 05 08:53:43 Rebooting after installing Canola is something I've never done (well, immediately anyway) Aug 05 08:54:05 any idea why my canola decided to stop working Aug 05 08:54:18 first time i ran it it saw my upnp servers perfectly Aug 05 08:54:30 770/N800? What OS versioin and what does "stop working" mean? Aug 05 08:54:31 now it just searches endlessly Aug 05 08:54:34 800 Aug 05 08:54:48 * Jaffa finds UPnP in any implementation flaky so tends not to use it, TBH. Aug 05 08:54:57 well it used to find the servers, aka tversity and orb, now it doesnt Aug 05 08:55:19 well without a mem card as of yet.. no choice do i have master jedi Aug 05 08:55:21 The servers *are* running, you're connected to the same network as them etc.? Aug 05 08:55:22 setite: WONTFIX: "no we can't let you know when the bugs are out"? Aug 05 08:55:39 nice timelyx Aug 05 08:55:49 well thats where the confusion is Aug 05 08:56:00 now i havent changed the way my network is operating Aug 05 08:56:04 so my answer to that question is yes Aug 05 08:56:07 i have two routers Aug 05 08:56:26 melmoth: that's the alternative Aug 05 08:56:43 setite: UPnP only works on the same subnet AIUI Aug 05 08:56:45 but is it really worth it in a bug that starts this bad? :( Aug 05 08:56:49 one acting as an actual router with all the trimmings.. then a belkin pure shite 2000 wifi router in AP mode... connected to a lan port on ym wired router Aug 05 08:57:08 yea jaffa i think i am on the same subnet Aug 05 08:57:11 i mean it worked earlier Aug 05 08:57:18 my orb upnp server showed up Aug 05 08:57:25 but orb is the devil you know Aug 05 08:57:42 timelyx: want me to comment? Aug 05 08:57:52 Jaffa: please Aug 05 08:59:16 this fm tuner is cool Aug 05 08:59:23 i wish it was better though Aug 05 08:59:37 i didnt expect it to pick up the weak stations though Aug 05 09:00:35 man Aug 05 09:00:39 can the n800 get better Aug 05 09:00:48 i mean the touchscreen response is amazing Aug 05 09:01:19 if i stick my arms out it picks up a station my clock radio cant Aug 05 09:01:50 oh shit Aug 05 09:01:53 they have a webstream Aug 05 09:01:57 i should use that Aug 05 09:02:03 gotta figure otu how Aug 05 09:02:19 dang the lack of talking from all of you makes me feel like a channel jacker Aug 05 09:03:12 timelyx: done Aug 05 09:03:28 * Jaffa likes ranting at other people's users, it seems to be the best for everyone :) Aug 05 09:04:11 heh, yes Aug 05 09:05:13 hey how do i play off Aug 05 09:05:14 ogg Aug 05 09:05:16 thanks Aug 05 09:05:25 setite: you need to install gstreamer-ogg or something Aug 05 09:05:44 ok so i need to add a repo to app manager? Aug 05 09:06:07 Jaffa: you sound like that vogon guard from h2g2 who was setified with his job because he like the 'shouting at prisoners' part :) Aug 05 09:06:21 heh Aug 05 09:06:26 zeenix: I had a bad week at work and I'm doing more of it today. Aug 05 09:06:39 h2g2? Aug 05 09:06:39 zeenix: unfortunately, it's an important job Aug 05 09:06:42 Fortunately, I don't have to put up with cow-erkers on a Sunday at home, just damn UTF-8 issues. Aug 05 09:06:46 hitchhiker's guide Aug 05 09:06:53 i thought thats what you mean Aug 05 09:07:00 oh galaxy Aug 05 09:07:19 i got the h2.. the g2 had eluded me... get it now though Aug 05 09:07:20 tmtla ? :) Aug 05 09:07:31 zaphod is my kind Aug 05 09:07:33 king* Aug 05 09:07:52 timelyx how do i install gstreamer-ogg Aug 05 09:07:53 anyway, it's a lot better for non owners to do the shouting Aug 05 09:08:00 do i got find the deb or is there a smoother way Aug 05 09:08:02 setite: good question Aug 05 09:08:23 i tried downloads.maemo.org Aug 05 09:08:29 and searched for "ogg" Aug 05 09:08:43 the third hit has a green arrow and seems promising Aug 05 09:09:23 note: i have enough problems w/ lawyers as it is, so i'm not installing it :) Aug 05 09:09:37 in fact, my todo list includes replacing ogg code w/ gstreamer code Aug 05 09:09:42 in case anyone's interested :) Aug 05 09:11:14 erstazi? Aug 05 09:11:15 <_Monkey> rumour has it erstazi is rusty on porting to a different arch Aug 05 09:12:31 ok got ssh and xterm etc, have tried xchat..not sure that is really a go-er, also installed nano which would be ok over ssh but not much use with the virtual keyboard Aug 05 09:12:35 what next Aug 05 09:13:33 Depends what you want to do, Python sounds like something you'd want; maybe a better text editor (I'm happy with the built-in vi) Aug 05 09:14:01 personally i only value xterm+ssh Aug 05 09:14:06 for everything else, use a real computer Aug 05 09:14:15 timelyx: and your browser, presumably ;-) Aug 05 09:14:27 Jaffa; well, ... sometimes Aug 05 09:14:32 heh Aug 05 09:14:34 yay i love the n9800 again Aug 05 09:14:40 s/9// Aug 05 09:14:49 setite =~ s/9// Aug 05 09:14:52 just added my first web station to it Aug 05 09:14:56 * timelyx pokes a bot Aug 05 09:16:10 that auto completer is cute Aug 05 09:16:21 which? Aug 05 09:16:21 <_Monkey> well, which is why there haven't been official packages for it Aug 05 09:16:28 eek Aug 05 09:16:37 _Monkey: forget which Aug 05 09:16:38 <_Monkey> timelyx: I forgot which Aug 05 09:16:41 _Monkey: which is Aug 05 09:16:42 <_Monkey> OK, timelyx. Aug 05 09:16:43 which Aug 05 09:16:48 good bot Aug 05 09:16:56 good riddance too Aug 05 09:17:14 i havent listened to this station in ages Aug 05 09:17:16 (how to silence a bot in 2 easy steps) Aug 05 09:17:26 handy Aug 05 09:17:46 you can try it in one if you're brave Aug 05 09:17:48 what Aug 05 09:17:54 why Aug 05 09:18:04 how? Aug 05 09:18:06 * timelyx wonders which other words this bot picked up Aug 05 09:18:10 this Aug 05 09:18:19 this? Aug 05 09:18:19 <_Monkey> rumour has it this is worth chatting with the ubuntuites about Aug 05 09:18:28 _Monkey: no, this is Aug 05 09:18:29 <_Monkey> ...but this is worth chatting with the ubuntuites about... Aug 05 09:18:31 when i download a .install it saves the repo to my list right Aug 05 09:18:34 darn :( Aug 05 09:18:42 _Monkey: forget this Aug 05 09:18:42 <_Monkey> timelyx: I forgot this Aug 05 09:18:46 _Monkey: forget this. this is Aug 05 09:18:46 <_Monkey> Jaffa, I didn't have anything matching this. this is Aug 05 09:18:49 _Monkey: this is Aug 05 09:18:50 <_Monkey> OK, timelyx. Aug 05 09:18:57 god when will i stop getting so giddy over this thing Aug 05 09:18:58 why? Aug 05 09:19:08 what? Aug 05 09:19:26 ok testing ogg support Aug 05 09:19:43 there is supposed to be a no verb somewhere in infobot lore. but i see to have lost memory of how to use it about 5 years ago Aug 05 09:19:53 setite: when the battery runs flat faster than you want, it's in your room at night and constantly bleating at you to recharge it Aug 05 09:19:55 (well, perhaps calling it a verb is wrong, command?) Aug 05 09:19:57 still a no go Aug 05 09:20:16 Jaffa: i like the part where it glows and pulses waking you up Aug 05 09:20:25 jaffa ya that reminds me i need to buy a new battery for this thing stat Aug 05 09:20:38 i finally took it off the charger to start seeing how long it will last me Aug 05 09:20:58 setite: how bright is your screen? Aug 05 09:21:01 i turn mine to 1 or 2 Aug 05 09:21:10 * Jaffa wouldn't mind a docking station so it could just be dropped in to charge rather than having cables lying around with 18 month old toddlers Aug 05 09:21:49 ok so where do i get protocols Aug 05 09:21:50 Jaffa: can they shock themselves w/ the charger plug? Aug 05 09:21:53 i have it halfway Aug 05 09:21:59 which is surprisingly bright Aug 05 09:22:23 the battery life calculator doesnt seem to respond to that Aug 05 09:22:31 timelyx: theoretically, but fortunately that's not happened. More likely is him seeing the shiny gadget and running off with it. Aug 05 09:22:37 its on 5 Aug 05 09:22:42 Jaffa: heh Aug 05 09:22:55 setite: it should if you give it a bit of time Aug 05 09:23:02 it's not the fastest update ime Aug 05 09:23:09 but i definitely had it respond at times Aug 05 09:23:22 * timelyx fondly remembers when the idle time was shorter than the active time :) Aug 05 09:23:34 wtf Aug 05 09:23:35 haha Aug 05 09:23:48 ok i need to install protocols Aug 05 09:23:51 i need my aim and msn Aug 05 09:24:09 gaim has neither.. apparently for gaim and pidgin i have to install protocols seperately? Aug 05 09:24:49 fbrreader doestn do pdf??? wtf Aug 05 09:25:00 speaking of pdf i need to get the harry potter book in it so i can test the lopad times Aug 05 09:25:15 lopad? Aug 05 09:25:23 * timelyx just finished hp this morning Aug 05 09:25:28 * timelyx started friday evening Aug 05 09:26:31 haha Aug 05 09:26:35 load times Aug 05 09:26:53 i finished it the friday before it came out Aug 05 09:27:05 and then my preorder showed up in the post the following day :) Aug 05 09:27:20 kinda sad.. i started to reread the hardcopy but got bored Aug 05 09:28:41 evil Aug 05 09:28:54 * timelyx tries to decide which flavor evil Aug 05 09:29:40 cool the new phone update made OBEX work too Aug 05 09:30:27 ok now i can sleep Aug 05 09:30:34 the n800 makes the perfect bookreader Aug 05 09:30:47 opens a pdf almost faster than my dual core gaming rig Aug 05 09:30:51 woot... night all Aug 05 09:31:01 or morning all Aug 05 09:42:00 i cant install bash :S " bash: Depends: base-files (>= 2.1.12) but it is not going to be installed" Aug 05 09:42:46 using mistral repos Aug 05 09:48:55 <__pv> setite: you're aware that you can use msn etc via jabber gateways Aug 05 09:50:11 <__pv> so the native n770/n800 im client can grok them Aug 05 10:18:04 great upnp is working. streeming video from home linux to the n800. Aug 05 10:18:28 no only need to wait for couple of days to convert my movies to the correct format :) Aug 05 10:18:31 now Aug 05 10:19:15 <__pv> are there transcoding-cabable linux upnp servers? Aug 05 10:19:33 <__pv> couldn't find any Aug 05 10:20:20 neither did I. I'm using ushare as the upnp server Aug 05 10:22:31 <__pv> I think mediatomb has something in the works, but it isn't ready yet Aug 05 11:00:22 mythtv transcodes, don't know about upnp Aug 05 11:01:29 * pupnik just had a wonderful drive through a scenic countryside in a classic mercedes roadster Aug 05 11:02:40 i use vlc via http Aug 05 11:03:40 oh duh, that's the reason to have a media server - transcoding on the fly Aug 05 11:03:47 somehow forgot that Aug 05 11:05:34 mediatomb should have something on next version but i wouldn't hold my breath Aug 05 11:06:43 I remember I read somewhere that mythtv would support upnp as well Aug 05 11:07:12 I tried to put mythtv some year ago. failed to make it really work and forgot whole thing. Aug 05 11:07:55 i have an ajax rails app that uses vlc via telnet to transcode movies/live-tv Aug 05 11:08:13 kind of like orb works (i guess) Aug 05 11:12:19 what is ajax anyway. I heve heard the term nowdays. but never did a wiki search for it. Aug 05 11:12:24 maybe should do now Aug 05 11:13:17 ah. java stuff. better to keep out of it ;) Aug 05 11:13:49 <`0660> it's not java stuff :P Aug 05 11:13:59 <`0660> javascript != java Aug 05 11:14:43 anyway it includes the scary word ;) Aug 05 11:15:32 <`0660> :) Aug 05 11:15:45 <3 the sun & netscape alliance of yore Aug 05 11:16:42 <`0660> for me javascript is more scary than java :) Aug 05 11:17:17 well it updates the pages without complete reload, only the part that needs updating Aug 05 11:17:26 behaves like a normal program Aug 05 11:35:35 hello @ all Aug 05 11:36:10 hi Aug 05 11:36:11 <_Monkey> salut, pupnik Aug 05 11:37:15 i#ve got an elf binary here which i want to run on the nokia 770 Aug 05 11:37:34 but nokia 770 means "unknown filetype" Aug 05 11:37:51 if i run from terminal it tells me there's a permission problem Aug 05 11:38:09 the binary is arm compiled, so it shall run without problems Aug 05 11:38:14 not necessarily Aug 05 11:38:45 is the binary located on vfat on mmc? Aug 05 11:38:49 mmc Aug 05 11:38:58 move it to /home/user and try again Aug 05 11:39:18 <`0660> and do you have the executable bit set? :) Aug 05 11:39:32 ok i will. its a programm called milkytracker (www.milkytracker.net) a music tool Aug 05 11:39:43 see you later, my wife is waiting with meal ;) Aug 05 11:39:53 guten appetit Aug 05 11:39:58 starting by ./milkytracker - right? Aug 05 11:40:04 danke! Aug 05 11:40:07 yes Aug 05 11:40:12 * pupnik afk eating lunch too Aug 05 11:40:21 @pupnik: derjenige mit dem ultima port? Aug 05 11:40:28 ja Aug 05 11:40:43 with this i also had the problem that it didn't start Aug 05 11:40:49 same prob as with milkytracker Aug 05 11:40:52 but i will try... Aug 05 11:40:54 thanks so far Aug 05 11:40:58 hei, should 770 also support upnp. at least the default audio and video players doens't seem to do that? Aug 05 11:41:02 (moved to debian 2 days ago from xp ;) Aug 05 12:01:11 * pupnik waves a magic wand over a black hat and murmurs incantations to summon zodttd Aug 05 12:01:14 ... PRESTO! Aug 05 12:01:40 (no doubt about it, I gotta get another hat) Aug 05 12:03:54 wb tso Aug 05 12:03:59 thanks Aug 05 12:04:42 did some more testing about that net radio, and im starting to suspect its more a issue with my net connection or something. some times it plays nicely for ages, and others its problem after problem... Aug 05 12:09:41 probably a dodgy router Aug 05 12:09:53 my belkin keels over every so often Aug 05 12:13:39 is there a standalone wget.deb for OS2006 Aug 05 12:14:29 oPless: not unlikely. but it have worked nicely, more or less, when used with laptops. Aug 05 12:15:17 yeah, but how does it cope with laptop streaming? Aug 05 12:15:40 heh, only tested with last.fm so far, and i think it has done well imo Aug 05 12:15:59 but then the antenna on the laptop is probably larger then on the 770 ;) Aug 05 12:16:43 also it's not unheard of that wifi aps get bugs tickled by 'unusual' (read non-windows) wifi devices (eg. iphone) Aug 05 12:16:51 as i see the signal % is below 50 most of the time Aug 05 12:16:54 ahh Aug 05 12:17:07 you don't get to see S-N ratio either Aug 05 12:17:22 S-N is much more important that signal strength :) Aug 05 12:17:34 true Aug 05 12:18:13 hell, right now its below 20% :( Aug 05 12:18:16 my mac goes apeshit when there's other APs about on the same channel - even if it only sees them due to the odd reflected signal Aug 05 12:18:51 time to add another AP to your home network :) Aug 05 12:19:18 looks that way. and thats a bit strange as its at most 2 rooms between me and the box right now Aug 05 12:19:21 I've one in the office and one at the other end of the flat Aug 05 12:19:30 2 rooms is more than enough Aug 05 12:19:59 tho I'm talking about british construction where we use brick :) Aug 05 12:20:43 try wood, scandinavian wood ;) Aug 05 12:22:28 maybe you're near a radar installation? :) Aug 05 12:23:08 solmumaha: is the app available? I was thinking of doing one before coming across gmyth-streamer but until that stabilises and I get around to doing a Freevo-backend... Aug 05 12:23:58 or maybe its a issue with the old cabling in this house or something. basically i have no clue. i just hope to test it in other places soon Aug 05 12:26:50 ok, now i know why i love this radio "channel" :P Aug 05 12:31:17 trying to encode a video into a 770 friendly format, but the audio keeps going distorted Aug 05 12:31:26 Toma-: what are you using? Aug 05 12:31:42 using 770-encode.pl and n700encode.sh Aug 05 12:31:50 http://maemo.org/community/wiki/VideoEncoding Aug 05 12:31:54 following that basically Aug 05 12:32:02 * Jaffa wrote 770-encode, so doesn't have any problems. Aug 05 12:32:13 :( Aug 05 12:32:14 What's the source video and how distorted is the result? Aug 05 12:32:22 How up-to-date is your mencoder? Aug 05 12:32:42 source video .avi: RIFF (little-endian) data, AVI, 512 x 384, 23.98 fps, video: XviD, audio: MPEG-1 Layer 3 (stereo, 48000 Hz) Aug 05 12:32:55 MEncoder 2:1.0~rc1-0ubuntu9.1 (C) 2000-2006 MPlayer Team Aug 05 12:33:21 basically, it sounds very digitised distortion Aug 05 12:33:45 output audio is audio: MPEG-1 Layer 3 (mono, 44100 Hz) Aug 05 12:35:16 is there another codec that might work better? Aug 05 12:36:17 Does it play properly in mplayer (the original) on the same box? Aug 05 12:36:28 yep Aug 05 12:36:38 original is fine, converted is not Aug 05 12:36:52 (using mplayer) Aug 05 12:37:20 Try changing: "my @params = ( $inFile, '-o', $outFile, '-srate', 44100 );" to "my @params = ( $inFile, '-o', $outFile );" - that might help Aug 05 12:37:28 Jaffa: no, it's full of hardcoded paths etc Aug 05 12:37:34 ok thanks Aug 05 12:37:40 but one could easily make a proper version of it Aug 05 12:37:48 solmumaha: fair enuf Aug 05 12:37:57 if there's interest Aug 05 12:38:34 for animated stuff i use: mencoder -srate 22050 -channels 1 -oac mp3lame -lameopts lowpassfreq=10500:mode=3:vbr=0:br=64 -af volnorm,channels=1 -ovc lavc -xvidencopts bitrate=400:vhq=4:lumi_mask:cartoon -vf-add hqdn3d=09:0:10 -ofps 12.5 2> /dev/nul (i think) Aug 05 12:38:56 for me, mythtv is a too big depency Aug 05 12:39:27 Jaffa: same problem Aug 05 12:39:41 solmumaha: indeed, the advantage that gmyth-streamer will have (AFAICT) is that it will support multiple backends, not just MythTV. Aug 05 12:40:07 hmm where's the -vcodec Aug 05 12:42:04 Jaffa: sounds good, vlc works ok, but using a browser for selecting media is not the nicest solution Aug 05 12:42:41 how can i ping as user? i get this: ping: permission denied. (are you root?) Aug 05 12:43:51 Toma-: ok. Can you paste the output of the "starting mencoder" line? Aug 05 12:44:20 sure Aug 05 12:44:56 xtuc: you can see the permissions of your ping command with ls -l `which ping` Aug 05 12:45:18 ping needs to be run as root. Aug 05 12:45:36 i don't even have a ping on this 770 Aug 05 12:45:38 Jaffa: heres the whole thing http://pastebin.ca/646317 Aug 05 12:45:39 or use sudo Aug 05 12:45:39 Generally doesn't on a desktop Linux as the binary can be setuid root, but as this is busybox ping, that'd be a bad idea. Aug 05 12:47:03 Toma-: hmm Aug 05 12:47:15 ok, thanks, but how to get root in the X Terminal? if i do su - user , i get su: applet requires root privileges? Aug 05 12:47:31 i agree. hmm. :) Aug 05 12:47:41 gainroot? Aug 05 12:47:41 looks like i most definetly have a wifi issue. just tried to stream some realmedia from bbcworld, and if failed badly even at 56k :( Aug 05 12:47:48 sudo? Aug 05 12:47:50 _Monkey: gainroot? Aug 05 12:47:50 <_Monkey> pupnik: bugger all, i dunno Aug 05 12:48:01 _Monkey: becomeroot? Aug 05 12:48:02 who erased gainroot from monkey? Aug 05 12:48:02 <_Monkey> i guess becomeroot is is easily obtained from [770/OS2006] http://eko.one.pl/maemo/dists/mistral/user/binary-armel/becomeroot_0.1-2_armel.deb or [770/OS2007HE and N800/OS2007] http://eko.one.pl/maemo/dists/bora/user/binary-armel/becomeroot_0.1-2_armel.deb or for a more long winded method http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_BecomeRoot Aug 05 12:48:05 oh duh Aug 05 12:48:42 wow, that wiki page looks amusingly broken Aug 05 12:49:19 gainroot brings: chroot: cannot change root directory to /mnt/initfs: Operation not permitted Aug 05 12:50:16 i take it becomeroot is well tested? i dont feel like bricking my 770 :( Aug 05 12:50:33 how hard is gainroot to get? install dropbear ssh to device as root/rootme, and then edit a file Aug 05 12:51:28 tso: becomeroot has never caused any problems for me, or anyone else I know. Aug 05 12:51:34 admittedly if I was doing it for myself I'd have just edited sudoers or changed the su password Aug 05 12:51:55 gainroot seems a little banal Aug 05 12:51:59 oPless: because it's easier to install one package than install one package, open xterm, start sshd, ssh to localhost, edit a file and hope you get it right? Aug 05 12:52:14 oPless: it's not necessary, it's just *easy* Aug 05 12:52:38 Jaffa: no I mean running 'gainroot' - why not just su ? or is that not +s ? Aug 05 12:53:14 oPless: ISTR there isn't an su, just sudo. And a locked down /etc/sudoers. Aug 05 12:54:22 Jaffa: can i change the audio codec? Aug 05 12:54:23 ah Aug 05 12:54:36 su is part of busybox, hence not suid Aug 05 12:54:52 Toma-: yeah, but to what I've no idea :-/ Aug 05 12:55:12 :S Aug 05 12:56:59 whats the command to start dropbear. the one on the wiki dont seem to do much... Aug 05 12:58:43 /etc/init.d/dropbear start Aug 05 12:59:11 oh duh... Aug 05 13:06:51 hmm, i started. but no info about what port... Aug 05 13:07:00 22 Aug 05 13:07:09 or 2222 if non-root IIRC Aug 05 13:07:26 neither responds... Aug 05 13:14:36 hmm, no route to host? Aug 05 13:18:12 weird. it seems that the datacall setting affects how long 770 keeps the wifi connection open :S Aug 05 13:24:31 hi how do i debug gstreamer with python on the n800 Aug 05 13:27:00 you don't Aug 05 13:27:01 ? Aug 05 13:28:30 cbx33: use the GSTREAMER_DEBUG environment variable Aug 05 13:28:56 dev cool.......example? Aug 05 13:30:32 not GST_DEBUG ? Aug 05 13:31:06 or does it have to be compiled with it? Aug 05 13:31:46 GST_DEBUG=*:5 should give you a lot of output Aug 05 13:33:08 ok Aug 05 13:37:15 i get nothing Aug 05 13:44:32 hmm Aug 05 13:50:09 http://pastebin.ca/646365 Aug 05 13:50:23 that's my code Aug 05 13:50:44 the dynamic pads bit doen't print Aug 05 13:50:58 but it works on a normal pc Aug 05 13:52:25 whats the best pim for 0s2006 Aug 05 13:53:17 gre? Aug 05 13:56:38 cbx33: yeah, I recall having had a lot of trouble with that too Aug 05 13:57:39 dev, if you could take a look at some point i'd be most greatful Aug 05 13:58:03 cbx33: only help I can give you at the moment is to point you to my pipeline https://coherence.beebits.net/browser/trunk/coherence/backends/gstreamer_audio_player.py Aug 05 13:58:25 cool Aug 05 14:00:43 it works, and as I've been told that the gstreamer parts will get some revision for one of the next release I haven't invested too much time in it Aug 05 14:02:03 when is the next release scheduled Aug 05 14:03:09 are thete any maemo gstreamer gurus any one knows? Aug 05 14:03:24 this only Nokia and time can tell :-) Aug 05 14:03:31 but to be honest, I've no idea Aug 05 14:03:44 ok Aug 05 14:03:49 there are quite some around Aug 05 14:04:00 i just really want to get this working Aug 05 14:04:06 but most of them are on #gstreamer Aug 05 14:04:12 ok Aug 05 14:04:55 it looks like there are some bugs in the current gstreamer parts on Maemo Aug 05 14:05:59 I had to bring down the pipeline every time to not get the dsp into some undefined state Aug 05 14:06:41 ouch Aug 05 14:07:41 hi Aug 05 14:07:41 <_Monkey> niihau, greyg00 Aug 05 14:08:17 niihau;) you're chinese ? Aug 05 14:09:56 heh, you know there is something strange when a bluetooth keyboard is more expensive then the device itself... Aug 05 14:10:28 mh, i paid 69 euro for mine ... Aug 05 14:10:43 interesting, expansys have removed their 770 offer :) Aug 05 14:12:36 what brand would that be greyg00? Aug 05 14:13:34 some noname thinngy from a german online shop Aug 05 14:13:45 <_Andreas2> hi there Aug 05 14:13:45 <_Monkey> que tal, _Andreas2 Aug 05 14:14:13 <_Andreas2> how can i run a simple elf-programm on the 770? Aug 05 14:14:23 its not bt hid but serial, so i guess its the worst available, but good enpugh for my needs Aug 05 14:14:26 <_Andreas2> theres no shortcut or so Aug 05 14:14:29 i mostly use synergy anyway Aug 05 14:15:19 greyg00: any problems entering text into first browser window with synergy? Aug 05 14:15:19 _Andreas2: if it's not the ARMEL EABI, you can't run it on anything later than OS 2005 Aug 05 14:15:53 correction: into the address entry field Aug 05 14:15:55 <_Andreas2> for example the tool xournal from the repository... Aug 05 14:16:16 <_Andreas2> runs well thru menu shortcut but not from term Aug 05 14:16:37 pupnik: not realized yet if there is any Aug 05 14:16:42 afk again ... Aug 05 14:17:15 greyg00: might be an issue with the version of synergy i have installed. last time i ran synergy with it2007he i had no quirks on entry (after setting the xim input method) Aug 05 14:17:16 <_Andreas2> @pupnik: you've got pm ;) Aug 05 14:17:37 _Andreas2: your nick needs to be registered to send pm Aug 05 14:17:48 <_Andreas2> oh Aug 05 14:18:08 /msg nickserv help for info Aug 05 14:18:33 or join channel #andr Aug 05 14:32:59 xs Aug 05 14:33:07 is ther a smb client for os2006 Aug 05 14:37:57 hmm, converted a pdf to html. but when i try to load said html into fbreader, the program crash... Aug 05 14:45:04 hi somebody knows what to do for the scrollbars follow the bottom of a textview? Aug 05 14:47:34 ? Aug 05 14:47:41 what do you mean by 'follow' ? Aug 05 14:48:23 when the a line is appended on the textview the scrollbar move down fl Aug 05 14:48:31 following the text Aug 05 14:48:56 hmmm Aug 05 14:49:38 i think it something like putting a mark at the ned of the text, and tell the textview to go to that mark Aug 05 14:50:58 with scroll_to_mark() Aug 05 14:51:01 hrmf, tried to run FBreader in the xterm just to see what the error was: killed Aug 05 14:52:45 thanks ill try that i m using textbuffer but sometimes the scroll don~t follow Aug 05 14:54:29 MaemoUS, what kind of stuff are you writing ? Aug 05 14:55:55 an irc client i~am writing from it Aug 05 14:56:57 hmm, may be there is something more convenient than scrolling to a mark for a never ending sort of text stream such as irc stream Aug 05 14:58:10 yes i was trying to search some property for this but i don~t find a good documentation Aug 05 14:59:17 scroll_to_iter seems more fitted Aug 05 14:59:20 for every message i would have to scroll down in every window channel Aug 05 15:00:06 i am afraid that s the way.... Aug 05 15:00:18 you may want to have a look in xchat sources to see how they do it Aug 05 15:00:37 http://www.pygtk.org/docs/pygtk/class-gtktextview.html (and devhelp are your friends if you are not already aware of this :) ) Aug 05 15:03:14 thanks i ll try to look there Aug 05 15:18:11 whats the devhelp URL? Aug 05 15:18:52 it s not a url, it something you install Aug 05 15:19:19 apt-get install devhelp should do the trick Aug 05 15:22:03 i ve already have installed hehehe thanks Aug 05 15:37:57 hmm, that pdf reader works ok, ones one have learned how it operates... Aug 05 15:52:41 any python gurus here? Aug 05 15:53:59 Python apparently has a built in function that allows for basic image manipulation, such as resizing, and I'm curious if that function is included in the build for the n800 Aug 05 15:54:30 rhsanborn: that the PIL module python-imaging Aug 05 15:55:16 Read this for info on the removed modules in pymaemo: http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/documentation/pymaemo_tutorial/python_maemo_howto.html#link2 Aug 05 15:56:05 first, I'm going to open a py console and try the image resize command to see if it's there. Gotta figure out what it is though Aug 05 15:57:16 That alone would mean that I could use my tablet for everything I need and I wouldn't need to buy a laptop :P Aug 05 16:03:09 I ran the command import Image, I suppose if the image library wasnt present, it should have given me an error? Aug 05 16:04:11 Yes, and ImportError. Aug 05 16:04:16 s/and/an/ Aug 05 16:04:16 jonnylamb meant: Yes, an ImportError. Aug 05 16:05:02 thanks, thats very good. Now I just need to write a quick and dirty resize script. That will be perfect Aug 05 16:05:26 Thanks guys Aug 05 16:12:37 I'm trying to compile xchat (because I want enable plugin support) using the vmware dev appliance, and I applied the 2.8.0 patch the guy made earlier in the year, but getting linker errors on the touchpad stuff - any chance someone can help? Aug 05 16:53:05 success, got xchat to compile with plugin support Aug 05 17:07:23 The python imaging library appears to work. I havent looked at the images that it spits out yet. The only problem is that it takes at least 2-3 minutes per picture. To do a large batch would kill the battery before it finished Aug 05 17:10:12 hello everybody Aug 05 17:11:50 there is no airdump app on my maemo..I installed aircrack-ng and aircrack-pwt and wirelesstools..what do I need ? Aug 05 17:12:50 Manchester United!!! Aug 05 17:13:06 hey eichi how did you instrall aircrack Aug 05 17:13:15 im a little nublet... Aug 05 17:13:20 did you grab a deb for it? Aug 05 17:13:24 or did you compile it Aug 05 17:18:29 from apt Aug 05 17:22:18 what repo Aug 05 17:33:36 oooh bootmenu Aug 05 17:33:42 thats how you boot to alternate os Aug 05 17:33:49 god i love this little devil Aug 05 18:32:27 ?- ctorrent won't install on n800 with the latest firmware. Any alternatives? Aug 05 18:37:45 what are some good phones to use with the n800 that are cheap Aug 05 18:39:20 anyone around with scratchbox experience? Aug 05 18:40:11 <`0660> the scratchbox experience :) Aug 05 18:40:47 ::french accent::zhe experiounce Aug 05 18:55:23 how can i access my samba share using nokia 770 ? Aug 05 18:55:27 using nokia 2006 os Aug 05 18:55:35 someone please help Aug 05 19:09:33 suma, in the wiki there is a guide Aug 05 19:09:39 windows cifs iirc Aug 05 19:15:23 where can i find some cool radio streams Aug 05 19:18:45 shoutcast.com? Aug 05 19:21:44 amr, got it worked fine Aug 05 19:21:54 amr anyway to get openvpn working ? Aug 05 19:22:40 with the compression Aug 05 19:22:56 never tried vpn sorry Aug 05 19:23:15 amr thanks for the help Aug 05 19:23:26 :) Aug 05 20:55:20 Aloha! Aug 05 20:55:21 <_Monkey> Guten Tag, sbaturzio! Aug 05 21:00:09 god bless you monkey... Aug 05 21:16:47 im thinking of getting a new router Aug 05 21:16:51 i dont like freenode Aug 05 21:17:03 my connection keeps dropping but i dont know till i go ot send a message Aug 05 21:17:17 my other server connections are holding fine Aug 05 21:30:49 im gonna install vmware so i can install ubuntu and scratchbox Aug 05 21:31:24 wtf is scratchox Aug 05 21:35:06 canonical repositories contained packaged version of vmware-server Aug 05 21:35:23 if i remember correctly Aug 05 21:35:37 and if you're running ubuntu on your host :) Aug 05 21:35:42 i use windows:) Aug 05 21:37:00 ok how much space is on eth n800 for installing apps Aug 05 21:46:19 enough space Aug 05 21:50:30 how hard is it to get the sdk running on mac os x Aug 05 21:50:32 or is it a no go Aug 05 22:09:30 _Monkey: OSX is No Aug 05 22:09:30 <_Monkey> OK, pupnik. Aug 05 22:10:03 OSX? Aug 05 22:10:03 <_Monkey> somebody said OSX was No Aug 05 22:10:15 _Monkey, that doesn't make sense. Aug 05 22:10:16 <_Monkey> trevarthan: huh? Aug 05 22:10:25 _Monkey, you're an idiot. Aug 05 22:10:25 <_Monkey> trevarthan: what? Aug 05 22:10:40 _Monkey, you're never getting access to my git repository. Aug 05 22:10:40 <_Monkey> trevarthan: what? Aug 05 22:11:03 pupnik, that was me Aug 05 22:11:03 I love abusing robots. Aug 05 22:11:21 oh snap i just noticed monkey is a bot Aug 05 22:12:37 OSX? Aug 05 22:12:37 <_Monkey> OSX is probably not a good environment for scratchbox. Google says it is possible to run virtualisatino with VMware and Parallels desktop, wherein a linux OS running scratchbox is possible. Aug 05 22:12:54 if someone has a better answer... Aug 05 22:14:08 does anyone know if/how I can play back AMR audio streams on the 770 when the url is rtsp://blah as opposed to http://blah ? Aug 05 22:14:21 the audioplayer seems to forcibly insert http:// in front of everything Aug 05 22:15:23 how about "OSX is Steve Jobs' shiny rip-off of gnu/bsd. Enjoy your walled garden." Aug 05 22:15:59 someone has the GPSlim256? Aug 05 22:16:08 236 Aug 05 22:23:50 where would be a good place to ask that question I just did ? I'm guessing no-one here knows... Aug 05 22:25:03 Phil770, let me look Aug 05 22:25:13 Phil770, just got back Aug 05 22:25:50 oh, thank you. Aug 05 22:25:58 I was reading http://maemo.org/community/wiki/realplaybacktips Aug 05 22:26:12 Phil770, I never used AMR audio streams, but from my knowledge, you could have slimserver could transcode the rtsp://blah to an mp3 stream Aug 05 22:26:20 but I can't play back the rtsp links in the video player either Aug 05 22:26:22 highlight :-))) Aug 05 22:26:35 amr, sorry heh Aug 05 22:26:46 slimserver would be on a pc and it would stream to your 770 Aug 05 22:26:49 no problem lol Aug 05 22:27:01 the problem isn't the format it's the server protocol / url Aug 05 22:27:18 Phil770, yes, and transcoding that would work then Aug 05 22:27:22 AMR is stated as being a supported format for streams in the audio player's helpfile Aug 05 22:27:43 but maybe not the rtsp protocol Aug 05 22:27:48 let me read up on it first Aug 05 22:28:03 Phil770, I might not respond as soon as possible, trying to tar up backups Aug 05 22:28:09 fyi; http://support.bbc.co.uk/3g/s/ Aug 05 22:28:18 all the bbc streams Aug 05 22:28:51 Phil770, you prefer bbc streams? Aug 05 22:29:00 prefer to what ? Aug 05 22:29:13 Phil770, other streams from other sources Aug 05 22:29:13 i would love a bbc radio1 stream that works in either the desktop player or canola Aug 05 22:29:25 exactly amr Aug 05 22:29:28 I am suspecting that you are using a nokia 770 with OS2006/maemo 2.x? Aug 05 22:29:35 I got radio 1 working using the .ram stream in realplayer Aug 05 22:29:39 but it's a bit cumbersome Aug 05 22:29:49 erstazi: yes, 3.2006.49-2 Aug 05 22:29:49 <_Monkey> i think 3.2006.49-2 is the last (final) version of OS 2006 so you're up to date Aug 05 22:30:13 ok Aug 05 22:30:20 just got it 2 days ago, about £80. I suspect loads of people have been buying them since the cheap ones appeared Aug 05 22:30:25 Playing rtsp://132.185.226.72/farm/bbc3g/rtpe/amr/bbc1.sdp. Aug 05 22:30:35 Connecting to server 132.185.226.72[132.185.226.72]: 554... Aug 05 22:30:35 is that working for you pupnik ? Aug 05 22:30:41 librtsp: server responds: 'RTSP/1.0 459 Aggregate operation not allowed' Aug 05 22:30:50 interesting Aug 05 22:30:51 ah... Aug 05 22:30:55 I'll pass that along. Aug 05 22:31:00 yeah i got mine 2 days ago too Aug 05 22:31:02 I know the people wh maintain it. Aug 05 22:31:16 who maintain the bbc streams? Aug 05 22:31:21 I was just going to test it, pupnik but you beat me to the chase again haha Aug 05 22:31:35 this was with mplayer Aug 05 22:31:46 mplayer i think tries to grab several chunks for its cache Aug 05 22:31:52 amr: people I know :p Aug 05 22:32:04 maybe streamtuner can handle it Aug 05 22:32:07 how do you enter urls into mplayer ? Aug 05 22:32:11 Phil770, tell them to sort out some pls or m3u streams! Aug 05 22:32:12 i couldn't figure that one out Aug 05 22:32:17 or are you running it from command line ? Aug 05 22:32:17 from xterm Aug 05 22:32:21 ah, right. Aug 05 22:32:32 ty for the bbc stream urls btw Aug 05 22:32:33 amr: they won't be doing that, politics. Aug 05 22:32:37 :-( Aug 05 22:32:53 yeah, they're kinda for dev use, don't go mass publicising them Aug 05 22:33:02 they're neither public nor private Aug 05 22:33:22 does anyone know of a nice util that will convert pdfs into plain html or text Aug 05 22:33:30 unfortunately fbreader doesnt like pdf :( Aug 05 22:33:31 amr, online Aug 05 22:33:40 ive looked but theyve messed up the formatting Aug 05 22:33:46 amr, google for PDF to text Aug 05 22:33:51 ah Aug 05 22:33:56 ive had adobe's online one converting a 1.4 mb pdf to text for about 20 minutes now Aug 05 22:33:59 or PDF to html Aug 05 22:34:03 ame poppler-utils Aug 05 22:34:06 *amr Aug 05 22:34:08 or PDF to doc, gmail has a PDF to doc feature Aug 05 22:34:13 that doesnt keep paragraphs pupnik :( Aug 05 22:34:18 hmm ill try that Aug 05 22:34:22 ty Aug 05 22:34:24 I suppose it depends whether you can just extract the text like when you copy-paste, or if it's stored as an image, like a tiff file, and you have to pass it through OCR Aug 05 22:34:38 its text, i can highlght it in preview on os x Aug 05 22:34:57 but it line breaks at the end of a line Aug 05 22:35:30 if you understand what i mean Aug 05 22:35:56 http://maemo.org/downloads/product/streamtuner/ <<< am i an idiot, or does this download page HAVE NO DOWNLOAD LINK? Aug 05 22:36:23 oh, while I'm here.... Aug 05 22:36:45 sorry to ask a dumb newbie question, but why doesn't the 770 have a handler for .deb files as standard ? Aug 05 22:36:46 pupnik, https://garage.maemo.org/projects/streamtuner/ Aug 05 22:36:54 Phil770, it does Aug 05 22:36:57 I mean, I'd expect to be able to click the link and install it, but noooo Aug 05 22:37:00 it does ? Aug 05 22:37:06 Phil770, you just cannot download any deb, it has to be for the ARM arch Aug 05 22:37:14 oh I know that Aug 05 22:37:24 Phil770, also you have to have the deb work with your OS2006 Aug 05 22:37:27 and not OS2007 Aug 05 22:37:29 I was trying to install UKMP/uktube from maemo.org Aug 05 22:37:32 bugger, gmail also linebreaks in the middle of a paragraph Aug 05 22:37:42 and the browser doesn't know what to do with a .deb file Aug 05 22:37:43 amr, I think you might be SOL Aug 05 22:37:58 thats disappointing :( Aug 05 22:38:09 Phil770, I never had that problem Aug 05 22:38:13 hmm. Aug 05 22:38:19 application manager loads right up Aug 05 22:38:20 I wonder what I have broken then... Aug 05 22:38:29 gah, fecking thing. Aug 05 22:38:56 well, hard to say Aug 05 22:39:13 perhaps the mime type is bad or something Aug 05 22:39:26 it detects it as application/x-stream or something Aug 05 22:39:40 i used to do some postscript hacking back in 1993 and 2003 but pdf has gotten too sick and cancerous and evil and disgusting to look at now Aug 05 22:39:59 yeah Aug 05 22:40:45 Phil770, you just got to make sure the deb is for the ARM architecture and works with OS2006 Aug 05 22:40:49 and you should be golden Aug 05 22:40:56 oh and have the correct libraries Aug 05 22:40:58 that's not my problem though Aug 05 22:41:15 Phil770, how is it not your problem? Aug 05 22:41:17 it's the ukmp file for the 770 from maemo.org, the browser just has no idea how to handle a .deb file Aug 05 22:41:25 let me try it Aug 05 22:41:26 i hate pdfs Aug 05 22:41:52 sorry, when I say "That's not my problem" I mean "that's not the problem I am having" as opposed to "it must be someone else's problem" Aug 05 22:42:12 Phil770, 63% of text is misread by people Aug 05 22:42:34 heh Aug 05 22:42:42 yeah, here we go; Aug 05 22:42:59 File name: UKMP-1.5.deb Aug 05 22:43:02 Phil770, what is the full name of the app you want to isntall? Aug 05 22:43:07 file type: application/x-archive Aug 05 22:43:16 file size 187 kB Aug 05 22:43:31 Open with: No application to open with Aug 05 22:43:34 ... Aug 05 22:43:39 and so I can save, or cancel Aug 05 22:44:23 I would just use application manager but although I've put in just about every repository list I can find, it's never listed as an available app Aug 05 22:44:26 Phil770, do you have python installed? Aug 05 22:44:54 no, but even if that were a dependancy for UKMP that shouldn't prevent the browser from handling .deb files ? Aug 05 22:45:11 Phil770, no, I have the same issue, I cannot open it, only save it Aug 05 22:45:12 i love mplayer. 1.3% cpu playing back radio streams Aug 05 22:45:26 pupnik, mplayer is light weight Aug 05 22:45:38 pupnik: where's a good place to find a list of 770 compatible streams ? Aug 05 22:45:50 i just installed streamtuner and they work Aug 05 22:46:04 pupnik, those bbc streams? Aug 05 22:46:08 no those dont Aug 05 22:46:54 why doesn't the default nokia radio app find all the streams that streamtuner knows about? Aug 05 22:48:26 pupnik, well, that is a good question, I think thats why the maemo community exists Aug 05 22:49:15 Phil770, if you save as, then double tap it, it can install it but you need python libs and mplayer Aug 05 22:49:25 that is an odd mime type for it Aug 05 22:50:01 aha, thanks Aug 05 22:50:33 shoutcast has a fair amount of UI work left to do Aug 05 22:56:18 n800 can read FAT cards right Aug 05 22:57:23 yes Aug 05 23:00:15 im having a helluva time trying to put a tv show on an sd card Aug 05 23:00:27 windows is not playing nicely Aug 05 23:00:36 said card needed a format but wouldnt format it Aug 05 23:00:44 i wonder if i still have fat32format Aug 05 23:00:57 yes i do... i will use that Aug 05 23:02:31 so does anyone have any suggestions for a program for storing passwords securely on a 770? All the open source projects I find use Qt or some other library not provided Aug 05 23:03:18 bldewolf, personally, I dislike storing passwords, very untrustworthy in my eyes... I cannot give you a valid suggestion other than don't do that Aug 05 23:07:43 i could only suggest compiling a command-line encryption program Aug 05 23:08:36 i think bldewolf has a good question though - a portable device should have a convenient way to encrypt local data Aug 05 23:09:48 possibly something at the filesystem level - a directory/folder wherein everything is automatically encrypted, or a flag for files that automatically encrypts Aug 05 23:10:08 plenty of businesspeople have valuable information that they may not leave unencrypted on a portable device Aug 05 23:11:58 bldewolf: did you see 'Password Safe'? http://www.holistech.co.uk/pwsafe.php Aug 05 23:13:21 ihuihj Aug 05 23:16:46 bldewolf: ping Aug 05 23:16:58 lalaa Aug 05 23:17:59 the guy shows up here asking the same question for three days, and it's findable in a quick google search Aug 05 23:20:07 then i dig up the software for him and he goes AWOL Aug 05 23:20:12 pretty f*in annoying Aug 05 23:46:24 lol Aug 05 23:46:41 pupnik: :( Aug 05 23:54:43 bldewolf: i'm just angry at myself right now - sorry Aug 05 23:56:30 pupnik, do you need a maemo-hug? Aug 05 23:59:49 heh thanks no Aug 06 00:00:03 i need some 'win' today Aug 06 00:03:31 win? windows? Aug 06 00:04:04 win = success Aug 06 00:04:09 ah heh Aug 06 00:04:15 I was being sarcastic Aug 06 00:07:29 ok here's the plan - up to 3 hours on cdrmooby, then the rest of the day fixing up ur-quan masters issues Aug 06 00:07:52 cdrmooby is almost a guaranteed fail though Aug 06 00:26:28 ok divx is not playing on 800 Aug 06 00:39:27 Hey, do I need a gpg key to successfully release files on maemo garage? Aug 06 00:40:20 I built my new version of kagu, and I'm about to release it, but I got this message: gpg: skipped "Jesse Guardiani ": secret key not available Aug 06 00:40:34 Can I release anyway? Or do I need a secret key? Aug 06 00:45:15 how do i make the camera look better Aug 06 00:45:29 i don't remember making a key Aug 06 00:45:41 its got all sorts of bluiish purple dots Aug 06 00:45:45 is that a lighting thign>? Aug 06 00:46:14 google "purple fringing" and camera Aug 06 01:19:35 gpg: protection algorithm 3 is not supported Aug 06 01:19:35 gpg: skipped "Jesse Guardiani ": unknown cipher algorithm Aug 06 01:19:35 gpg: [stdin]: clearsign failed: unknown cipher algorithm Aug 06 01:19:41 W.T.F. ?!? Aug 06 01:20:01 Is there a howto for this? Cause it ain't easy. Aug 06 01:24:13 there's one people automatically get when they get the garage upload access Aug 06 01:24:24 should be one in debian packaging docs too Aug 06 01:25:06 so I can't create my own? Aug 06 01:25:19 no, the howto i mean Aug 06 01:25:20 I've got to log into garage and sign up for upload access first? Aug 06 01:25:24 oh Aug 06 01:25:30 you upload your key to garage afterwards Aug 06 01:28:21 checked the automated garage mail, it's for setting up dput and ssh Aug 06 01:29:22 * disq is away (gone for good) since 04:29 06/08/07 Aug 06 01:29:27 * disq^away is away (gone for good) since 04:29 06/08/07 Aug 06 01:29:35 erm, gh. the shortcuts Aug 06 01:29:37 * disq is away (gone for good) since 04:29 06/08/07 Aug 06 01:29:47 gh Aug 06 01:29:57 gah. sorry Aug 06 01:29:59 alt key got stuck i should remove that shortcut Aug 06 01:30:23 so I don't sign the deb before I upload it? Aug 06 01:30:32 for garage, you should Aug 06 01:30:42 i just can't tell you what my key type is from the files in my system Aug 06 01:31:05 yeah. I don't know how to create the key. scratchbox lets me create DSA, but that's it. Aug 06 01:31:31 my key isn't in scratchbox environment, it's for root in fact Aug 06 01:32:47 also I didn't create a key, I imported one from PGP i think Aug 06 01:33:20 well, that's a problem. my only debian system is scratchbox. Aug 06 01:33:47 And it only lets me create (2) DSA keys. And those apparently don't work for clearsign, or something Aug 06 01:33:58 how's the new theme btw Aug 06 01:34:17 you want to check it out? I'll send you the file. Aug 06 01:34:24 yeah i will Aug 06 01:34:38 I'm not using it in this upcoming release yet though. Aug 06 01:39:22 disq: sent it to ya. Aug 06 01:39:44 disq: hey man, you want to roll this release too? I'm not sure what I'm gonna do about the GPG thing. Aug 06 01:40:03 okay, anything new in changelog or just "Released 1.0.2" or so? Aug 06 01:40:41 kagu (1.0.2) unstable; urgency=low Aug 06 01:40:41 * Many performance enhancements Aug 06 01:40:41 * Lower RAM usage Aug 06 01:40:41 * Fixed a few bugs in the theme engine Aug 06 01:40:41 * Switched to using mplayer's ffmp3 instead of libmp3 for a2dp playback. Aug 06 01:40:43 ffmp3 is more efficient on ARM. Aug 06 01:41:16 well you couldjust svn commit :P Aug 06 01:41:31 Yeah, it's got my sig on it though Aug 06 01:41:47 i really want to start working on kagu-config when i find the time Aug 06 01:42:15 yeah. themes and seek. that's gonna be my focus for the next release. Aug 06 01:42:34 I'm more or less happy with the performance at this point, unless someone complains after the release. Aug 06 01:44:36 i had some mp3 not playing problems with ossoplayer, couldn't really trace them. maybe it was a weird-state problem Aug 06 01:45:07 all of my "not playing" problems have been solved by clicking "OK" again. you? Aug 06 01:45:26 i was on the road at the time Aug 06 01:46:12 fix 'em as you find 'em. that's what I do. Aug 06 01:46:34 my key is a 1024 bit dsa key btw, just figured it out during signing Aug 06 01:47:42 let me try that here Aug 06 01:49:15 ahh forgot to update the version in setup.py hope it doesn't cause any packaging glitches. installs fine tho Aug 06 01:49:26 and i uploaded it already, now uploading to garage Aug 06 01:51:43 1024 bit dsa is created fine, but when creating a deb I get: Aug 06 01:51:45 gpg: protection algorithm 3 is not supported Aug 06 01:51:45 gpg: skipped "Jesse Guardiani ": unknown cipher algorithm Aug 06 01:51:45 gpg: [stdin]: clearsign failed: unknown cipher algorithm Aug 06 01:51:46 <_Monkey> i already had it that way, trevarthan. Aug 06 01:52:04 _Monkey: gpg: protection algorithm 3? Aug 06 01:52:04 <_Monkey> hmmm... protection algorithm 3 is not supported Aug 06 01:52:11 lol Aug 06 01:52:22 forget gpg: protection algorithm 3 Aug 06 01:52:28 forget gpg: protection algorithm 3 Aug 06 01:52:40 _Monkey: forget gpg: protection algorithm 3 Aug 06 01:52:41 <_Monkey> trevarthan, I didn't have anything matching gpg: protection algorithm 3 Aug 06 01:52:45 release on garage, repos will be updated in 8 or so minutes Aug 06 01:52:47 whatever. Aug 06 01:52:54 editing the maemo.org download page now :) Aug 06 01:59:59 I have crossed the vast internets to join others who think that cargo pockets were made to hold Debian Aug 06 02:00:16 lol. yeah they were. Aug 06 02:00:45 770 = best $135 my girlfriend will ever spend on me Aug 06 02:01:14 good girl Aug 06 02:01:24 kriebz, that is a great deal they ran, was it buy.com? Aug 06 02:01:38 woot Aug 06 02:02:03 it might have even been a bit cheaper Aug 06 02:03:25 kriebz is from my LoCo team and I was shocked to find someone else with a 770 but I guess it is a small world Aug 06 02:03:30 heh Aug 06 02:03:40 n800 fits in my jean's pocket. Almost exactly the size of a check box. Aug 06 02:03:47 this is a great community of people though, many serious developers and packagers Aug 06 02:04:07 I'm sad to see the platform move past the 770 Aug 06 02:04:17 although there are some serious drawbacks to the 770 Aug 06 02:04:33 kriebz, what do you mean the platform move past the 770? Aug 06 02:04:49 the newest whatever from Nokia only runs on the N800 Aug 06 02:04:54 pupnik, you know how I said these tablets can take a beating? I dropped mine twice today, haha thank god there is not a harddrive in this! Aug 06 02:05:18 kriebz, well, you could get OS2007HE, pupnik there dual boots I believe still Aug 06 02:05:23 erstazi: what is LoCo? Aug 06 02:05:52 ubuntu users group Aug 06 02:06:01 we're both from PA Aug 06 02:06:10 pupnik, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loco_team Aug 06 02:09:02 here's a weird question: can the onscreen keyboard be modified Aug 06 02:09:08 it's not very UNIX friendly Aug 06 02:09:27 kriebz, no its not, especially for - Aug 06 02:10:02 kriebz, I have found that if you press the shift key on the virtual keyboard, it will give you more unix-ey characters Aug 06 02:10:35 well, it will do the chars above the numbers, and some more braces Aug 06 02:11:08 also, terminal emulation is really, really bad Aug 06 02:11:19 am I using the wrong terminal program or something? Aug 06 02:11:22 xkbd is an alternative keyboard that lets you set up your own layout http://pupnik.de/xkbd.html Aug 06 02:12:10 kriebz, also, get xterm (advanced) and not just xterm Aug 06 02:12:25 can you be more specific about what terminal emulation problems you are experiencing kriebz? Aug 06 02:12:40 yes. backspaces never render properly Aug 06 02:12:47 you need xterm (advanced) then Aug 06 02:13:03 who is regular xterm for then? Aug 06 02:13:10 http://maemo.org/downloads/product/osso-xterm-advanced Aug 06 02:13:19 kriebz, um... no clue haha Aug 06 02:13:46 kriebz, also, I have a sources.list that includes most of the *best* repos at http://c-wd.net/sources.list Aug 06 02:14:01 the old xterm had a courier font that was horrid, the new one is much nicer Aug 06 02:14:21 all the ones that require gpg are commented out because I haven't had the time to get the keys inputted into certificates Aug 06 02:16:04 cool Aug 06 02:16:10 installing the new xterm Aug 06 02:16:46 the UKMP thing doesn't run Aug 06 02:17:38 kriebz, you need python and the libs for it and also mplayer Aug 06 02:20:40 I don't think you need mplayer for UKMP. Only necessary if you want to do video, I think. Aug 06 02:20:48 and a cigarette Aug 06 02:21:03 trevarthan, well for uktube Aug 06 02:21:12 and playback of youtube flac Aug 06 02:21:13 yeah Aug 06 02:21:17 same thing sorry Aug 06 02:21:19 I am losing it Aug 06 02:23:49 New version of Kagu is out (1.0.2) if anyone wants to try it. http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8513 Aug 06 02:24:27 * pupnik will test Aug 06 02:24:46 nice - includes install link... (applauds) Aug 06 02:26:14 heh Aug 06 02:26:19 I will try it in a bit Aug 06 02:26:36 I had it installed but I had to uninstall it Aug 06 02:29:39 ok time to do some partition work be back Aug 06 02:33:32 trevarthan: did you get anywhere on being able to playback mono audio files on a mono bluetooth headset? Aug 06 02:33:56 (e.g. for podcast listening on your normal mono BT headset that you normally use for phone calls) Aug 06 02:36:35 os2006 is pretty stable Aug 06 02:38:19 rwhitby: no, not really. It hasn't been a huge priority for me as I've got an A2DP BT headset. It's a good idea though. Aug 06 02:38:40 kagu install link "Unable to complete secure transaction" https://garage.maemo.org/docman/view.php/304/205/kagu.install (?) trevarthan Aug 06 02:39:09 hmmm.... worked for me... probably a mirror update in progress? Aug 06 02:39:23 try it again I guess Aug 06 02:39:33 it should work without me being logged into maemo.org, yes? Aug 06 02:39:34 just worked for me too Aug 06 02:40:49 rwhitby: tell you what. I need to add seek support before audio books are even possible in Kagu. Once I've done that, I'll take a look at packaging up the Bluetooth-ALSA tools, and when that's done I'll have a look at mono BT audio. Sound good? Aug 06 02:40:52 logged in and got same error Aug 06 02:41:04 trevarthan: sounds awesome :-) Aug 06 02:41:34 pupnik: could it be a 770 specific error maybe? Aug 06 02:42:30 the python I find on maemo.org won't install on the 770 Aug 06 02:43:43 rwhitby: just for you man: https://www.guardiani.us/projects/kagu/ticket/17 Aug 06 02:44:03 kriebz: it doesn't install on the n800 either. get it here... Aug 06 02:44:06 python? Aug 06 02:44:07 <_Monkey> python is at pymaemo.garage.maemo.org! Aug 06 02:44:15 get it there kriebz. Aug 06 02:44:17 maemo-recorder.install works Aug 06 02:44:25 ty Aug 06 02:45:04 pupnik: might just be your mirror. Aug 06 02:51:58 thanks, guys Aug 06 02:54:25 I'm gonna go play some Shadow Run. Aug 06 02:56:33 i'll head to bed, night Aug 06 02:56:37 good release! Aug 06 02:56:43 cheers then Aug 06 02:57:26 night disq! thanks for the help with the release. Aug 06 02:57:38 only difference i could see was that in another one repo_deb came before repo_deb_3 Aug 06 02:58:32 pupnik_: is it working for you yet? Aug 06 02:58:52 no Aug 06 02:59:06 when i connect to maemo.org it asks me to accept an untrusted certificate Aug 06 02:59:29 i also tried putting a modified kagu.install on http://pupnik.de/kagu.install but opening that just gives me the text file Aug 06 02:59:36 :) strange. Aug 06 02:59:48 garage.maemo.org [62.61.85.33] **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Aug 06 02:59:57 2007