**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Aug 08 02:59:57 2007 Aug 08 03:01:00 i can log in with one account now, but i used to have problems Aug 08 03:03:22 well Aug 08 03:03:26 can anyone edit the wiki? Aug 08 03:03:53 sparr, I can, what needs edited? Aug 08 03:03:57 http://maemo.org/community/wiki/applicationrepositories/ has a note at the bottom about a broken sources.list, explanation is in https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1777 Aug 08 03:04:17 solution is to delete the offending line Aug 08 03:04:24 in the wiki? Aug 08 03:04:25 and to tell people to stop putting invalid repository info on the wiki Aug 08 03:04:30 yes, first link is to the wiki Aug 08 03:04:51 Word of warning? Aug 08 03:05:02 aye Aug 08 03:05:17 where is the maemo menu system stored? tools/utilities/etc Aug 08 03:05:31 i need to rearrange some of those things, my Extras menu is ridiculously long Aug 08 03:06:50 spaetz, its under ~/.osso/ I thought Aug 08 03:07:39 oh nice applications.menu Aug 08 03:07:49 is there an official way to change it? Aug 08 03:08:00 sparr, its an xml file Aug 08 03:08:10 %gconf.xml Aug 08 03:08:10 omg Aug 08 03:08:13 a 1-line xml file Aug 08 03:08:18 1x3000+ chars Aug 08 03:08:21 sparr, I changed mine with line breaks Aug 08 03:08:30 does the OS change it back? Aug 08 03:08:33 and it still works with line breaks, no loss of performance Aug 08 03:08:38 sparr, no Aug 08 03:08:46 interesting Aug 08 03:08:52 when the OS adds to it, do you get single long lines? Aug 08 03:09:03 sparr, I haven't changed for that Aug 08 03:09:36 mmm ukmp is really nice Aug 08 03:09:42 what i mean is Aug 08 03:09:46 when you install something Aug 08 03:09:53 and Application Manager makes a new entry in the menu Aug 08 03:10:00 if it didnt die when i click on my hebrew folders Aug 08 03:10:02 how does it play with your changes? Aug 08 03:10:47 sparr, I mean I haven't checked for when you add something Aug 08 03:10:52 ahh Aug 08 03:10:57 my vi is all screwed up Aug 08 03:11:05 use nano Aug 08 03:11:07 when i insert, the first thing i insert is changed to a space Aug 08 03:11:18 and use this: Aug 08 03:11:20 xterm? Aug 08 03:11:20 <_Monkey> rumour has it xterm is the enhanced version of osso-xterm from maemo-hackers. It adds font and color selection support, URL opening through context menu, and a sidebar with additional keys such as Ctrl+letters. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/osso-xterm-advanced Aug 08 03:11:26 which is the advanced form of xterm Aug 08 03:11:34 nano? Aug 08 03:11:34 <_Monkey> it has been said that nano is a tiny text editor. Needs xterm/ssh. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/nano/ Aug 08 03:12:46 sparr, I cannot edit the wiki Aug 08 03:13:35 its not letting me log in Aug 08 03:13:42 hello rwhitby Aug 08 03:14:22 yes, ive got xterm Aug 08 03:14:26 annoyed that vi doesnt work Aug 08 03:14:35 backup applications.menu before editing Aug 08 03:14:42 pupnik_: bah :-p Aug 08 03:14:45 pupnik_, oh I did that definitely (: Aug 08 03:14:54 sparr, I would just use nano (: Aug 08 03:15:10 I only use vi if I ssh to my tablet Aug 08 03:15:16 I use nano for if I am on my tablet Aug 08 03:15:22 just seems to handle better Aug 08 03:16:24 i see stuff in applications.menu that arwe uninstalled Aug 08 03:17:23 i am ssh'd the the tablet Aug 08 03:18:19 i can't remove a submenu - i can remove a main menu entry tho Aug 08 03:23:05 oh god, people who use umpcs and dont know what a umpc is should not talk to me about web 2.0 Aug 08 03:23:59 especially when they complain that it doesnt work and go glassy eyed when i ask if they are running windows xp. Aug 08 03:26:35 haha Luria Aug 08 03:28:01 my favorite one is people who still use AOL but have a broadband service Aug 08 03:29:12 they think AOL provides the internet to them Aug 08 03:37:01 pupnik_, holy cow that (Maemo_Dev_Platform_v2.2_armel-rootstrap.tgz) is its own file system Aug 08 03:37:16 I thought it would install it Aug 08 03:37:27 "are you slicon valley?" "well, he's israeli, im local and he's german." "right, but are you silicon valley?" Aug 08 03:38:27 followed by "do you guys blog?" Aug 08 03:39:39 well, at least they had nice... oh wait, this channel is logged and indexed... never mind. Aug 08 03:40:23 haha Aug 08 03:40:28 ooo lightning Aug 08 03:40:39 I should shut my computer off even though I have a surge protector Aug 08 03:40:48 is there a vid capture/streaming app? Aug 08 03:41:00 for the n800? Aug 08 03:41:11 I know you can stream from slimserver to the tablet Aug 08 03:41:19 but I don't know about the reverse Aug 08 03:41:22 no, other way Aug 08 03:41:26 using the camera Aug 08 03:41:41 I am sure someone did it Aug 08 03:44:56 getting my applications.menu beat into shape Aug 08 03:45:02 whats up with tana_fi_menuname? Aug 08 03:45:11 no clue Aug 08 03:45:16 I remember seeing it Aug 08 03:45:32 xml is suppose to have lowercase elements anyways Aug 08 03:46:31 The open-source community is its own nation. Aug 08 03:46:59 pupnik_, with what laws? Aug 08 03:47:25 very few. gpl, lgpl etc Aug 08 03:47:30 heh Aug 08 03:47:32 with fatal exceptions Aug 08 03:47:42 pupnik_, I got the rootstrap installed in scratchbox Aug 08 03:47:51 now comes the emulator or not? Aug 08 03:51:39 erstazi: which one? Aug 08 03:52:29 pupnik_, well, my guess is that the scratchbox target is configure for different architecture than the rootstrap. Aug 08 03:52:36 I selected both arm and both maemo Aug 08 03:52:46 I will go through it again Aug 08 03:53:34 wait Aug 08 03:54:11 [sbox-Nokia770: ~/hello-world] > grep SBOX_CPU= /targets/links/scratchbox.config Aug 08 03:54:11 SBOX_CPU=arm Aug 08 03:54:25 [sbox-Nokia770: ~/hello-world] > file /bin/bash Aug 08 03:54:25 /bin/bash: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.4.17, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped Aug 08 03:54:33 that says they are the same Aug 08 03:54:40 and I should be fine there Aug 08 03:54:44 anyone able to get skype to go full size thumbboard? Aug 08 03:55:00 I did get an error: cannot run C compiled programs. Aug 08 03:55:03 cause center d-pad is mapper to "enter" and sends text Aug 08 03:55:05 and I swore I had gcc Aug 08 03:57:41 anyone around? Aug 08 03:58:03 grep SBOX_CPU /targets/links/scratchbox.config Aug 08 03:58:03 SBOX_CPU=arm Aug 08 03:58:04 SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD=/scratchbox/devkits/cputransp/bin/qemu-arm-0.8.1-sb2 Aug 08 03:58:45 can anyone help me with mounting a usb harddrive on my nokia770 Aug 08 04:00:44 i can mount the partitions in several places /media/ /mnt/ /home/../MyDocs/ and get read access to them, and write access in a root shell, but none of the apps in maemo (file manager, canoe) chave write persmissions Aug 08 04:00:55 is there a simnple linux setting im missing? Aug 08 04:01:55 mount option user Aug 08 04:02:38 hmm Aug 08 04:03:00 for the standard mount options on vfat see /etc/fstab Aug 08 04:03:04 ok ill try that, what about fstab i have tried with user option there (i copied the oem mmc1 line item and modified path and changed nouser to user Aug 08 04:03:15 you can create an fstab entry with similar options for your usb hard drive Aug 08 04:03:33 i did all that, fstab changes dont seem to work Aug 08 04:03:39 hrm Aug 08 04:04:53 after chmod on fstab to write then using both vi and text editor (leafpad) finally got changes to stay boot to boot, but doesnt seem to be having an affect, i still hafta mount with mount command Aug 08 04:05:32 whats the syntax for the mount command with user option enabled Aug 08 04:05:41 you are on territory not many people have been on Aug 08 04:05:52 i duno - mount has a big man page :) Aug 08 04:06:06 maybe -o user Aug 08 04:06:11 i am currently using mount -t vfat /dev/sda5 /media/usbhd5 Aug 08 04:06:37 mount [-fnrsvw] [-t vfstype] [-o options] device dir Aug 08 04:06:39 im am really a noob to linux (less than a week) other than this all othjer mods have gone well Aug 08 04:07:07 you learn fast Aug 08 04:07:19 :) Aug 08 04:07:34 in exchange for sleep ;) Aug 08 04:07:38 paired my 770 with a wiimote... Aug 08 04:07:39 770 rebooted Aug 08 04:07:40 nchntr, yeah, I do not know anyone who has attempted this yet Aug 08 04:07:41 fun Aug 08 04:08:09 people spoke of it but I don't recall anyone talking about an existing working external hard drive Aug 08 04:08:13 nchntr dumb question...did you umount the HD and remount after changes to fstab? lets say you had it mounted as /mnt/hd you would umount /mnt/hd then mount /mnt/hd . If you just specify the mount mount, mount will look in fstab for settings Aug 08 04:08:40 err.. 'the mount mount' should be ..'mount point' Aug 08 04:08:41 i powered down and let it restart Aug 08 04:08:49 that would do it Aug 08 04:09:09 hmm Aug 08 04:09:23 'night folks, thanks for ze help, I might be back on tomorrow with more of the bothering. We will see! heh ;) Aug 08 04:09:26 i have changed the locations of my mount a few times Aug 08 04:09:32 night JesseT78 Aug 08 04:09:41 mount point compares to mount in what way? Aug 08 04:09:49 wb dolske you iphone user! haha Aug 08 04:09:51 mount -t vfat -o user /dev/sda5 /media/usbhd5 << does that work? Aug 08 04:10:42 to use an external hard drive you need the usb hack/dongle, no? Aug 08 04:10:49 heh, I should remove that. I put in in a few weeks before the iPhone launch to confuse people. :) Aug 08 04:11:25 dolske ?? Aug 08 04:11:56 you could also try specifying the owner of the filesystem to be the regular nokia user "user" with userid (UID) 29999 and groupid (GID) 29999 Aug 08 04:12:17 hello world! got it Aug 08 04:12:20 ima try it in a sec, question 1st.. does it matter where i mount it at? i.e. some tutorials say /mnt/ i am using /media/ because thats where the mmc gets mounted.. anyone with linux knowledge know the difference or correctr place? Aug 08 04:12:25 Darksmurf: my quit message in Colloquy (on a Mac) was "iChat 10.5 [Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU like Mac OS X; en) Mobile/1A938a Safari/429.3]" Aug 08 04:12:28 pupnik_, thank you, I missed that emulator part Aug 08 04:12:36 nchntr: shouldn't matter where you mount it Aug 08 04:12:38 yw erstazi Aug 08 04:12:54 mount -t vfat /dev/ssda5 /media/usbhd5 tells 'mount' exactly what to do. /media/usbhd5 is the mount point..i.e. where to mount. if you had '/dev/sda5 /media/usbhd5 vfat user' in your /etc/fstab and you did a 'mount /media/usbhd5' it would look in fstab to see what settings to use..and your 'user' option would be in effect. Aug 08 04:13:23 * Darksmurf is looking to see if 'user' is the correct option Aug 08 04:14:15 * Darksmurf thinks 'man fstab' would have more info Aug 08 04:14:20 setting the userid might solve it. here the defaults on the 770 mmc vfat: /dev/mmcblk0p1 /media/mmc1 vfat rw,noauto,nodev,noexec,nosuid,utf8,uid=29999 0 0 Aug 08 04:14:51 is there anything in the interface (maemo) that would keep the appz from writing to certain dirs? i.e. most apps working dirs look to be in /MyDocs/ , Might i have to mount it there to get the maemo apps to have correect access? Aug 08 04:15:33 yea i copied that line, but removed the ,utf8,uid=29999 (wasnt sure if ther are device specific (RS-MMC) Aug 08 04:15:43 the uid could help Aug 08 04:15:48 that's the other thing yes Aug 08 04:15:56 agreed Aug 08 04:16:02 the stupid ol maemo apps don't give you access to the root filesystem Aug 08 04:16:20 yeah, it is pretty protected Aug 08 04:16:30 I was kind of bummed at first by that Aug 08 04:16:46 maybe i should mount inside /.documents/ ? Aug 08 04:16:48 you could mount to /home/user/MyDocs/.documents/myusb for example Aug 08 04:17:09 .documents? wouldn't that be hidden? Aug 08 04:17:54 the file browser shows the . directories Aug 08 04:19:18 ah Aug 08 04:19:30 * Darksmurf doesn't have a tablet yet...its on it's way Aug 08 04:23:54 no luck on mounting in .documents Aug 08 04:24:14 also cant get mount to take -o user Aug 08 04:26:21 is there a way to give root permissions to apps in Maemo, enable root at startup (is r&d mode only way?) Aug 08 04:26:54 it is showing with "mount" command as being mounted as type vfat (rw) Aug 08 04:28:55 nchntr tried editing fstab? '/dev/usbdrive /mnt/usbdrive vfat -options here-' then 'mount /mnt/usbdrive' ? Aug 08 04:29:30 yes i have :( Aug 08 04:29:50 and it currently mounted in ../.documents/Usb5 Aug 08 04:29:53 :-( Aug 08 04:29:54 as (rw) Aug 08 04:30:08 w/o a device I can't help Aug 08 04:30:35 hallo rkaway1 Aug 08 04:30:38 in xterm in root w/root perm. i can create a dir inside (on it) just all the maemo apps cant write Aug 08 04:30:57 oh well, ill overcome eventually :) Aug 08 04:31:09 and i can still use my files.. Aug 08 04:31:09 what happens if you log-in to xterm as user? Aug 08 04:31:13 nchntr, what does google say? Aug 08 04:31:29 IDK how to login xterm as user Aug 08 04:31:52 su user Aug 08 04:31:55 nchntr what do you see as 'ls -l' for the mounted dir? not the contents of it.. Aug 08 04:32:18 i see the contents Aug 08 04:32:19 while in '.documents' do ls -l Aug 08 04:32:27 with rw attributes (as root) Aug 08 04:32:36 who owns it? Aug 08 04:32:59 -rwxr-xr-x 1 daniel daniel 9217 2007-07-30 12:47 a.out Aug 08 04:33:29 drwxr-xr-x 2 user users 1024 Aug 7 18:32 myusb Aug 08 04:33:52 when mkdir as user response permission denied Aug 08 04:34:49 ok, when you 'ls -l' inside the mount point who owns the files? Aug 08 04:35:00 (as root) Aug 08 04:35:01 ahhh Aug 08 04:35:05 grrr Aug 08 04:35:09 wha? Aug 08 04:35:11 im currently as user Aug 08 04:35:44 ls -l shows Usb5 as drwxr-xr-x 5 root root Aug 08 04:35:53 hmm Aug 08 04:36:01 Usb5 is where mounted? Aug 08 04:36:05 as root... 1sec Aug 08 04:36:08 I thought 'myusb' was mount point Aug 08 04:36:20 you can 'chown user Usb5' to make user own it Aug 08 04:36:29 Usb5 inside /home/user/MyDocs/.documents.Usb5 Aug 08 04:36:34 last . = / Aug 08 04:36:48 chgrp users Usb5 Aug 08 04:36:56 Darksmurf, chown user:users Usb5 Aug 08 04:37:38 how did it get mounted under .documents? Aug 08 04:37:43 so odd Aug 08 04:38:22 operation not permitted (chgrp) Aug 08 04:38:29 shall i switch to root login Aug 08 04:39:03 nchntr, do you have becomeroot? Aug 08 04:39:04 erstazi ahh! Aug 08 04:39:13 if so you can just do: sudo gainroot Aug 08 04:39:19 and that makes you root Aug 08 04:39:22 nchntr yeah, you have to do those commands as the owner of the file Aug 08 04:40:03 erstazi he put it there so he could find it in the maemo apps Aug 08 04:40:18 ok so maemo and all apps will be logged in a user Aug 08 04:40:28 yeah..(I think...) Aug 08 04:40:40 in fact, I'm sure of it Aug 08 04:40:44 oh Aug 08 04:40:49 and any directories i make hafta be done as user? or changfed to user Aug 08 04:40:49 becomeroot? Aug 08 04:40:49 <_Monkey> well, becomeroot is is easily obtained from [770/OS2006] http://eko.one.pl/maemo/dists/mistral/user/binary-armel/becomeroot_0.1-2_armel.deb or [770/OS2007HE and N800/OS2007] http://eko.one.pl/maemo/dists/bora/user/binary-armel/becomeroot_0.1-2_armel.deb or for a more long winded method http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_BecomeRoot Aug 08 04:41:16 i have become root installed and use sudo gainroot about everytime i use xterm Aug 08 04:41:20 you can't chgrp/chown a mountpoint, n00bs Aug 08 04:41:20 nchntr, under linux, user is a normal user.. limited abilities Aug 08 04:41:48 pupnik, oh duh, because root does the mounting anyways Aug 08 04:41:51 so then, if i need to be root to make any changes Aug 08 04:42:14 but then user cant access, i need to enable a root login for maemo? Aug 08 04:42:38 ugh.. and i thought all the case sensitive and typing (shell) made linux a pita.. :| Aug 08 04:42:59 nchntr: i think you should mount the volume with uid=29999 Aug 08 04:44:06 and mount it in MyDocs - that way it belongs to user "user" and all apps should see it and be able to write to it Aug 08 04:44:08 with fstab? Aug 08 04:44:43 yeah for great justicce Aug 08 04:45:45 ok so i need to delete all dirs and create a new one in /.documents/ (through file manager in maemo) so the dir will be created with user as owner Aug 08 04:45:49 anyone know how big the 1.4GB vmware image on the wiki expands to? Aug 08 04:46:09 i was joking about that n00bs thing btw - i'm clueless about almost everything myself Aug 08 04:46:17 then mount with fstab ,user, option and add uid=29999 Aug 08 04:46:21 pupnik, I didn't take offense Aug 08 04:46:27 normally mounting is automated for me Aug 08 04:46:39 rarely do I have to pull out the mount command even on a server Aug 08 04:46:39 we are all noob once sometime more than once :) Aug 08 04:47:03 I got my hello world app working on the n770 Aug 08 04:47:09 maybe i missed it - you have a battery-powered usb drive/ Aug 08 04:47:12 >? Aug 08 04:47:15 so now I know I got the right setup in scratchbox, I am going to roll Aug 08 04:47:25 nice erstazi :) Aug 08 04:47:42 and its all thanks to pupnik (: Aug 08 04:47:46 the savior of the day Aug 08 04:47:51 hell, the week! Aug 08 04:47:57 glad to help Aug 08 04:48:10 good stuff! Aug 08 04:48:13 now i want to mount usb drive for fun Aug 08 04:48:13 I owe you a beer if I am in Europe (: Aug 08 04:48:24 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=15169 Aug 08 04:48:33 USB cable is real inexpensive Aug 08 04:48:55 i made one Aug 08 04:49:02 anyone know how big the 1.4gb vmware image .tar.bz2 expands to? Aug 08 04:49:23 I'm at almost 2gb and not even close.. 1 hour in... Aug 08 04:49:27 then found out that the targus notebook USB hub $25 @ Bestbuy has one included Aug 08 04:49:29 Darksmurf, I never had them get bigger than 3gb Aug 08 04:50:01 as did the really small 120G usb Maxtor they had onsale for $80 Aug 08 04:50:09 but I never installed much on virtual OSes only the essentials Aug 08 04:50:22 nchntr, is that what you bought? Aug 08 04:50:29 yup Aug 08 04:50:33 does it get very hot? Aug 08 04:51:10 been running for 3 hours inside a zipped closed 5x4 daily planner and barely warm to the touch Aug 08 04:51:17 nice Aug 08 04:51:20 needs 2 usb ports for power Aug 08 04:51:27 not bad Aug 08 04:52:42 my nokia770 sets ina dash mount w/ usb cable to under passenger seat where daily planner is (with 120g and 4p hub and SD reader) plugs into a dual USB Power port (lighter) i got @ wallyworld $5 :) Aug 08 04:53:35 bluetooth GPS + maemomapper + my cell (T-Mobile) works like a charm except for routing an POI, harddrive= huge mo3 collection Aug 08 04:53:47 plays through a FM adapter Aug 08 04:54:52 nice Aug 08 04:56:11 and its good the way it is, i can access media files from HD but i really want to be able to drop files there, as i use it to sync with PC (and tivo :D ) Aug 08 04:56:18 I intend on mounting an nfs share over the net via wifi or cellphone to access more storage. I already stream my music from home. Aug 08 04:56:44 i can drop file to and fro my cell phone, dropping to hd is better than syncing with ftp program Aug 08 04:56:47 can someone ping me? I seem to be having network issues Aug 08 04:57:10 when ou get the nfs mounted take notes :) Aug 08 04:57:39 i was gonan go that route but a NAS under my seat in my car dont seem as easy as the big USB drive (but faster for sure) Aug 08 04:58:35 I already do it via a zipit wirelss (think 90mhz arm based linux box. designed to send IM messages. wifi only, small keyboard, small screen). Aug 08 04:58:37 i am having inconsistant results with smbrowse and samba.. need to lear how to setup a share from the n770 (another root shell excursion im sure) Aug 08 04:59:09 nchntr do you have access to a desktop w/ linux+samba? Aug 08 04:59:11 hehe i have an IMFree somewhere Motorola IM device around somewhere Aug 08 04:59:20 I have one of those also Aug 08 04:59:21 only when i boot a knoppix cd Aug 08 05:00:00 i have a viewsonic Router/NAS @ home it has samba IDE and USB share, but no time to dig it out and mess with it (after i move on a few months) Aug 08 05:00:36 i also got pissed cause you cant set security on it (at least not with the html config) Aug 08 05:00:57 at least for debian and slackware /etc/samba/smb.conf is VERY well commented. then type 'smbmount' as root and it'll give you an example mount command Aug 08 05:01:08 after all my learning with the n770 i may be able to get root access etc.. and change that.. but still need to learn that stuff Aug 08 05:01:35 sweet ill dig around there for more info Aug 08 05:03:38 in /etc/exports I have '/mnt/zipit *(rw)' it exports /mnt/zipit to ANY host w/ read write access. There is NO security...you could access it right now if you wanted. there are other options for exports to set hosts and other stuff. Aug 08 05:03:49 anyone familiar with the app horizon? Aug 08 05:03:53 then its just another mount command to connect to nfs Aug 08 05:04:47 yea just another command (to learn) hehe i have about 6 days of linux experience :o Aug 08 05:05:06 where is the command that give me 36 hours in a day.. 24 just aint 'nuff Aug 08 05:06:56 * pupnik passes around fresh made coffee Aug 08 05:07:32 hehe, too late for that, im on my last hour of the day.. :( Aug 08 05:07:41 <-- still @ work Aug 08 05:08:11 ah Aug 08 05:08:24 if you don't have a job or family, your day can be as long or short as you want Aug 08 05:08:52 pupnik, what if you have both? Aug 08 05:09:09 its the job that gets me Aug 08 05:09:14 then you probably shouldn't even be in IRC :P Aug 08 05:09:18 haha Aug 08 05:09:27 but i put in 50 hrs a week so they dont complain when im late Aug 08 05:10:00 you do admin work at night nchntr ? Aug 08 05:10:13 no im at work not working :) Aug 08 05:10:47 i work for a metal fabrication shop Aug 08 05:10:54 is there anything such a thing like a script to help build the maemo SDK enviroment? Aug 08 05:11:07 i help run the shop/labor/projects Aug 08 05:11:20 and do all the cadd and computer stuff Aug 08 05:11:43 ah ok rogers southeast Aug 08 05:11:44 im here late cause the facilities are better (cable inet, cable tv and noone around :) ) Aug 08 05:12:08 neat Aug 08 05:12:27 * pupnik has metalworking experience Aug 08 05:12:56 it is normal for my dmseg to repeat some aic23 powering down aic23 powering up aic23_init_power() done Aug 08 05:12:58 over and over Aug 08 05:12:59 saaib: you follow howto? Aug 08 05:13:13 nchntr: that's what i get - dmesg is not so useful by default Aug 08 05:13:17 we do architectural and ornamental metal work. Aug 08 05:14:08 sounds kinda fun actually Aug 08 05:14:09 so.. is OS2007 stable/useful enough for general use, or should I stick w/ 2006 (or even 2005)? Aug 08 05:14:56 what auto noauto setting? Aug 08 05:15:24 fstab has mmc1 mount as noauto but it does mount automatically Aug 08 05:15:28 i tried 2007he but went back to 2006. might play with it again on dual-boot Aug 08 05:15:48 pupnik, I'm following the Hildon Desktop Portability howto but I'm stuck building hildon_desktop code Aug 08 05:16:59 saaib: to set up stock maemo build environment in scratchbox you do not need to compile anything Aug 08 05:17:00 I'm totally new to the enviroment, so any pointers are welcome Aug 08 05:17:34 you wish to compile and build applications for maemo / Internet Tablet OS? Aug 08 05:17:41 that's correct Aug 08 05:17:54 what is your host operating system on PC? Aug 08 05:18:29 can anyone else get to http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=15169 ? Aug 08 05:18:33 I'll receive my device by friday (hopefully). I'll pretend to work on Fedora 6 Aug 08 05:19:44 i can get there darksmurf Aug 08 05:20:30 thank Aug 08 05:20:31 s Aug 08 05:21:00 scratchbox? Aug 08 05:21:00 <_Monkey> scratchbox is like the glue that ties it all together Aug 08 05:21:06 hrm Aug 08 05:21:23 what the heck..I can get there from my router..but my desktop Aug 08 05:21:45 pupnik, I tried to follow up the Maemo_2.2_Tutorial wiki page, but found out that only until I get my device I can download the SDK? then I find that the Hilton Dekstop should allow me to start without having the device. Aug 08 05:22:19 If I try to download the SDK it prompt for the table MAC, so I don't have it yet Aug 08 05:22:22 ah i think nokia must restrict downloads of the rootfs to device owners Aug 08 05:23:17 does the devices mounted is fstab show up in the mount command list? Aug 08 05:23:34 all mounted devices should show up Aug 08 05:24:04 saaib I wanted to have a look at the rootfs, but I ran into the same problem Aug 08 05:24:05 pupnik, is there any way for me to start coding using Maemo enviroment without having to wait for the device? Aug 08 05:24:20 so the mmc listing (last one) is the one from the default fstab (line 1) not a mount command issued later ? in start up seq. Aug 08 05:24:42 saaib: good question - there was a vmware image with scratchbox but i don't remember if it contains the maemo rootfs Aug 08 05:25:30 ok so then it must be something in the fstab line it dontlike :( Aug 08 05:26:11 if you mount /path/to/your/new/mountpoint it should look-up that mountpoint and report any errors to commandline Aug 08 05:26:25 Darksmurf, do you code on maemo? Aug 08 05:26:40 is there a mountpoint command also? Aug 08 05:26:49 saaib I'm in the same boat as you..waiting on the device Aug 08 05:27:17 where did you order it from? Aug 08 05:27:22 buy.com Aug 08 05:27:28 vnc works :) Aug 08 05:27:29 saaib I'm unpacking the vmware image pupnik mentioned...I've still got 45min to go. I'll let you know what I find. Aug 08 05:27:47 saaib, I got mine from buy.com as well Aug 08 05:28:04 Darksmurf, scratchbox works as well but I am doing the torrent as well Aug 08 05:28:07 ditto Aug 08 05:28:17 Darksmurf, actually, you are leeching from me Aug 08 05:28:19 I am done Aug 08 05:28:36 i got mine from tigerdirect Aug 08 05:28:46 hehe I guess we're all in the $144 dlls range :) Aug 08 05:28:58 erstazi ?? I didn't think I used the torrent.. Aug 08 05:29:03 saaib, I paid $129 Aug 08 05:29:09 Darksmurf, ah, I did Aug 08 05:29:24 erstazi, how long ago? Aug 08 05:29:42 unique311: multipac pac-man emu sourcecode (fast, with sound) for gp32 http://www.talfi.net/gp32_franxis/download.php?multipac%201.0%20source.rar Aug 08 05:30:04 cool... Aug 08 05:30:21 http://www.talfi.net/gp32_franxis/ <- screenshot Aug 08 05:30:22 saaib, um... a few weeks ago Aug 08 05:30:27 saaib, why? Aug 08 05:30:30 working on a flash games package.. Aug 08 05:30:48 i paid $140 + $42 for 2year accidental coverage Aug 08 05:30:51 saaib, I did the "sign up for googlecheckout" and I did with a new google username (: Aug 08 05:30:51 place the folder on mmc1 or 2 Aug 08 05:31:02 bookmard the index.html Aug 08 05:31:05 finally added a song position view to Kagu! https://www.guardiani.us/projects/kagu/changeset/309 Aug 08 05:31:09 and enjoy flash games and apps Aug 08 05:31:12 erstazi, ah! got it Aug 08 05:31:23 sweet trev - audio book fans will adore that Aug 08 05:31:25 One big step closer to having nice audio book support on the n800! Aug 08 05:31:29 saaib, even though I have a few google accounts already (: Aug 08 05:31:29 heh Aug 08 05:31:51 erstazi, lol, well you got to do whatever you got to do to get it cheaper Aug 08 05:31:57 what about speech to text? any open source and light weight and easily hildonized? Aug 08 05:32:15 saaib, sometimes, I did the free shipping and it came in 3 days, when they said 5-8 days Aug 08 05:32:19 so I was happy Aug 08 05:32:22 yeah, gonna do this ticket soon. like. tomorrow: https://www.guardiani.us/projects/kagu/ticket/26 Aug 08 05:32:47 erstazi, i only know of the CMU Sphinx Group Open Source Speech Recognition Engines. Aug 08 05:32:49 I am looking to port a speech to text Aug 08 05:33:18 ah just posted a comment on itt for you mr. trevarthan Aug 08 05:33:19 erstazi: check out the voxforge project. Aug 08 05:33:25 i got a 1gig RS-MMC from surpluscomputers.com <$20 fwiw Aug 08 05:33:40 erstazi: they use the Julius engine. it's better than CMU, IMO. Aug 08 05:33:42 voxforge... interestante Aug 08 05:33:51 erstazi, I've been checking a lot the status of the shipment. Aug 08 05:34:04 nchntr thanks for the link Aug 08 05:34:05 milhouse: oh no. you aren't yelling at me for my crappy looking Kagu UI too, are you? Aug 08 05:34:12 not at all :) Aug 08 05:34:33 unique311, did you get that psd working? Aug 08 05:34:41 for trevarthan Aug 08 05:34:45 long time ago.. Aug 08 05:34:50 ok good Aug 08 05:34:50 mhh. I tried one speech recon software along with the firecracker (X10) a couple years ago... I'll try to get the reference from my old pc Aug 08 05:34:51 but i am a bit concerned about how the ui eats cpu cycles all the time :( Aug 08 05:34:52 just have to make new icons Aug 08 05:34:56 bluetooth icons Aug 08 05:35:08 haha Aug 08 05:35:21 trevarthan: i think you mentioned something about pygame being the culprit... Aug 08 05:35:30 milhouse: valid question. I'll explain in the thread. Aug 08 05:36:23 trevarthan: ta. hopefully something can be done about it in the long term, the ui stealing cycles from a2dp (or other activities) is a bit of a bummer not really the "nokia internet tablet" way Aug 08 05:36:30 trev, im sorry, i dont know why, but i cant replicate my error with the scanner Aug 08 05:37:00 it didnt work when i wanted to demo it, and then when i wanted it to not work... Aug 08 05:41:05 ok this doesnt make sense... where can i add a mount command line to some kinda startup Aug 08 05:41:50 nchntr, what about fstab? Aug 08 05:41:53 it seems (since i boot from MMC that there are all sorts of mounted devices and dirs, but my fstab only has the rootfs and mmc1 (in oem form) Aug 08 05:42:01 in linux normally one adds a line to /etc/fstab and it mounts automagically with proper options - maybe not a good idea for the usb drive which will not always be connected Aug 08 05:42:35 im starting to agree, but the MMC technically isnt always there either Aug 08 05:42:46 nchntr, what about autofs? Aug 08 05:43:17 i have /dev/mmcblk0p2 as the 2nd part. on my MMC it is ext2 Aug 08 05:43:37 it gets mounted but not in the fstab (or am i looking at the wrong fstab?) Aug 08 05:43:58 nchntr, mounted devices should be shown in mtab Aug 08 05:44:09 cat /etc/mtab Aug 08 05:44:09 I think the kernel can tell when a card has been inserted and removed. It can tell when the cover is open. Aug 08 05:44:38 where else can i mount a device without using fstab Aug 08 05:44:50 is there a startup sequence file or something Aug 08 05:44:55 script? Aug 08 05:45:03 nchntr, /etc/rc.local ? Aug 08 05:45:21 maemo mapper is going to sell me a bluetooth gps unit... Aug 08 05:45:30 nchntr, you might want to write a script to check up availability of the usb device before trying to mount it Aug 08 05:46:02 where would i put that script? idk linux well Aug 08 05:46:59 milhouse: check the thread. response posted. Aug 08 05:47:25 nchntr, the easier will be to use autofs package to automount the usb device when needed, but a simple dummy daemon could do it and you can start that script from /etc/rc.local Aug 08 05:47:40 trevarthan: checking... :) Aug 08 05:48:18 milhouse: long term, I want to separate Kagu's front and back end components so that we can have the PyGame frontend *and* a GTK frontend. For users concerned with CPU usage, the GTK frontend will be the obvious solution. Aug 08 05:48:19 cant find /etc/rc.local Aug 08 05:48:39 milhouse: short term, well, I describe that in the thread. Aug 08 05:48:42 what other alternatives are there to pygame? Aug 08 05:49:05 milhouse: 3, currently, that I'm aware of Aug 08 05:49:10 milhouse: 1.) GTK Aug 08 05:49:27 milhouse: 2.) EFL (Canola will be using this in the next release) Aug 08 05:49:42 milhouse: 3.) Web interface and javascript/AJAX. I'm not opposed to this either. Aug 08 05:50:03 erm... Aug 08 05:50:11 milhouse: 4.) CLI frontend. Aug 08 05:50:57 trevarthan: some options then, but i guess a significant amount of retooling? Aug 08 05:51:07 I don't have time to code all of those myself, so if we want to see some of those in practice then Kagu is going to need help. I hope to lay out the foundation though. Aug 08 05:51:17 alright time for some ZzZ's im outtie, thanks for everyons help and suggestions tomorrow is another day Aug 08 05:51:22 yeah. retooling is a good word for it. Aug 08 05:51:31 trevarthan: sounds fair enough... see how efl looks in canola Aug 08 05:51:58 what about the openmoko widgets - they were gtk weren't they (i install the demo, seemed ok) Aug 08 05:53:15 2 hours 4min to unpack vmware image...4.17GB Aug 08 05:53:17 :) "looks" is so misleading. Anything can "look" excellent. even GTK can be themed. That's a function of the graphics artists behind a project. Of which we currently have none (but unique311 is stepping up there!) Aug 08 05:53:19 I'm not 100% sure about that. I *think* they're GTK widgets. Aug 08 05:53:41 milhouse: you saw how the widget became invisible during fast scrolling. Aug 08 05:53:56 trevarthan: yes, it certainly wasn't perfect Aug 08 05:54:09 milhouse: I personally prefer the responsiveness of the pygame scroll widget, but yeah, it'd be nice to try. Aug 08 05:54:36 We don't need a scroll widget to do a GTK frontend though. Aug 08 05:54:43 the only problem i have with the kinetic scrolling is that it sometimes jumps up/down which i think is due to it "locking" on to it's final resting position Aug 08 05:54:50 And we probably won't have one the first time around. Aug 08 05:55:10 milhouse: yeah. I call it "snapping". Aug 08 05:55:17 It's confusing? Aug 08 05:55:25 so I see a (modified) tux next to what could be a pda type device... w/ a status bar in vmware..what exactly is loading? Is this just the distro, or is it part of maemo? Aug 08 05:55:29 not confusing, but erm.. unattractive? Aug 08 05:55:39 ah. Aug 08 05:56:01 i'm not sure what to suggest as an alternative, but i wish it didn't do it! :) Aug 08 05:56:02 funny. some people bitched about the *lack* of snapping on the GTK widget. Aug 08 05:56:43 i think if you got rid of the OK button, you probably wouldn't need it to snap would you? Aug 08 05:56:56 Darksmurf: does the pda device type window have a globe in the upper-left-hand corner? Aug 08 05:56:59 are there any semi-mature alternate interfaces for the 770? openbox, gpe, etc? Aug 08 05:57:02 milhouse: I could always make it an option. Snapping is necessary while we keep the OK button. But once I get rid of that, we're free to do away with snapping too. Aug 08 05:57:14 openbox works somewhat Aug 08 05:57:18 exactly and milhouse will be happy :) Aug 08 05:57:21 pupnik no, now it has reverted to text console "Reading files needed to boot...." Aug 08 05:57:26 I guess it was the base OS Aug 08 05:57:49 trevarthan, not sure if I even come close to being a graphics artist....I like playing with photoshop. Aug 08 05:57:50 milhouse: I'll keep that in mind. remind me if I forget once the OK button goes away (probably not for another release or two) Aug 08 05:57:59 been drawing all my life though Aug 08 05:58:06 trevarthan: will do my best :) Aug 08 05:58:40 this made me laugh: http://www.whatmobile.net/forumvb/showthread.php?p=204981#post204981 Aug 08 05:58:42 unique311: that's ok. your work is very very very appreciated. I've been getting harrassed on ITT for lack of a decent theme. You're helping with that, so I'm very grateful. Aug 08 05:58:59 http://opensource.nokia.com/projects/maemo/maemo-hildon.jpg Darksmurf, this is what the 'desktop' looks like Aug 08 05:59:30 Alright gents, I've got to get some sleep. Night folks. Aug 08 05:59:41 cu Aug 08 05:59:43 the OK button...want a descent looking check icon? to replace that Aug 08 05:59:49 cya trevarthan Aug 08 05:59:58 peace Aug 08 06:00:06 unique311: yeah, that sounds good. cya. Aug 08 06:00:18 unique - is it worth glyphing up the ok button if it's going to go away within a release or two? Aug 08 06:00:37 just my opinion on time/effort/resources etc. :) Aug 08 06:01:52 Anybody fluent in pidgin for maemo irc usage? I'm trying to make the font smaller so i can see a wider range of conversation but i don't find the way Aug 08 06:03:07 don't have it installed right now... i guess the zoom keys have no effect? Aug 08 06:03:12 @qgil Aug 08 06:03:54 anyone here use maemo mapper? Aug 08 06:04:05 Mno milhouse Aug 08 06:04:20 im curious if it might be worthwhile to add an option to decrease the color depth for downloaded maps Aug 08 06:05:14 dropping google maps from ~256 colors to ~16 colors cuts the filesize in half Aug 08 06:06:34 pupnik so I'm in the so called 'Scratchbox enviroment" in the vmware image. It poped up another X server. Is there a way to start the nokia GUI? Or can I just view standard apps? Aug 08 06:06:59 There is font configuration under tools but seems to be for your outgoing text in IM, not to decide whether you want to see others texts in big or smaller fonts Aug 08 06:07:26 The app is neat though. A bit unstable still. Aug 08 06:07:35 qqil: yes. just re-installing pidgin then i'll root around to see if it's got any config files which might be ripe for editing Aug 08 06:07:45 Darksmurf: standard operating procedure in the scratchbox environment to start the GUI is export DISPLAY=:2 and run af-sb-init.sh Aug 08 06:09:15 Thx milhouse Aug 08 06:12:39 "A computer without microsoft is like a chocolate cake without mustard." - Unknown Aug 08 06:12:51 perfectly fine Aug 08 06:13:02 pupnik thanks for the help...headed to bed Aug 08 06:13:19 ok cheers! Aug 08 06:17:19 qgil - you can change the conversation font Aug 08 06:17:21 where can i find info on how ~/.osso/menus/application-menu and /etc/others-menu/* interact? Aug 08 06:17:53 ! [ -d /mnt/usb ] && mkdir -p /mnt/usb; while true; do for usb_dev in $(grep sd[a-z][0-9] /proc/diskstats | awk '{print $3}'); do mounted=$(grep /dev/${usb_dev} /etc/mtab | wc -l | awk '{print $1}'); [ $mounted -eq 0 ] && mkdir -p /mnt/usb/${usb_dev} && mount /dev/${usb_dev} /mnt/usb/${usb_dev}; [ -f /mnt/usb/${usb_dev}/.umount ] && rm -f /mnt/usb/${usb_dev}/.umount && umount /mnt/usb/${usb_dev}; done; sleep 10; done Aug 08 06:17:54 qgil: go to the buddy list, open the app menu -> Tools -> Preferences Aug 08 06:18:53 qgil: Conversations tab, then untick "Use font from theme" and choose your preferred font in the font choose (font family, style and size etc.) Aug 08 06:19:28 qgil: click close, and any *new* conversations will use your new font - existing conversations continue to use the old theme font Aug 08 06:21:04 qgil: NewCourier/Regular/12 point works quite well Aug 08 06:30:23 Milhouse i have tried that but i seem to be getting the same font Aug 08 06:30:44 even with new conversations? Aug 08 06:30:48 seems odd that there would be near 10MB worth of garbage media in Documents by default Aug 08 06:30:51 Let me restart... Aug 08 06:30:55 * sparr deletes Aug 08 06:31:12 and do you have the latest version of pidgin installed? Aug 08 06:33:20 milhouse: ahahà now it works! Aug 08 06:33:30 Weird Aug 08 06:33:45 odd, no need to restart pidgin here, although the new font only takes effect in _new_ conversations Aug 08 06:33:58 pupnik, in terms of start developing a test app (not looking at the maemo UI), any pointers? Every page that talks about detting development enviroment requires the SDK. It's odd Aug 08 06:34:04 ie. you need to exit/rejoin chats to pick up the new font Aug 08 06:34:20 i'm running pidgin 2.1.0 here btw (latest version) Aug 08 06:34:44 Ah ok, i didn't try exit/rejoin Aug 08 06:35:38 Anyway, works4me now (and the sound ping sounds loud enough) :) Aug 08 06:35:49 :) Aug 08 07:06:49 morning Aug 08 07:06:50 <_Monkey> aloha Aug 08 07:13:37 morning people Aug 08 07:15:11 keep the home fire burning... Aug 08 07:30:16 morning Aug 08 07:30:17 <_Monkey> aloha Aug 08 07:43:56 _Monkey: logs are at http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/ Aug 08 07:43:57 <_Monkey> OK, disq. Aug 08 07:44:10 logs? Aug 08 07:44:11 <_Monkey> logs are at http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/ Aug 08 07:49:20 Hi. Does anyone know if its possible to get conbtdialogs-dev package (from Nokia binaries) to Maemo 3.2? Aug 08 07:50:22 Looks like it is removed since 3.1 according to http://repository.maemo.org/stable/3.1/content_comparison.html Aug 08 07:51:00 I need to compile a certain SW in 3.2 that is developed with earlier Maemo. Aug 08 07:52:57 <`0660> might be more sensible to implement it with the new preferred way Aug 08 07:53:15 <`0660> and easier... Aug 08 07:54:55 Yep, that's what I'm afraid of:) Aug 08 07:55:44 ok Aug 08 07:55:58 place the folder in mmc1 or 2 Aug 08 07:56:13 inside it you will find index.html Aug 08 07:56:15 run it Aug 08 07:56:19 bookmark it Aug 08 07:56:24 http://www.divshare.com/download/1503325-ae5 Aug 08 07:56:35 `0660: Do you know anything about that package and what is used to replace it? I know nothing yet about that conbtdialogs-dev Aug 08 07:57:10 play all types of flash game via the web browser Aug 08 07:57:57 <`0660> no, i haven't used it Aug 08 07:59:46 the package is 26MB of flash goodness..well stuff to pass the times. Aug 08 07:59:57 minigolf is fun. Aug 08 08:00:58 i bet flash is a lot faster on the 800 Aug 08 08:01:32 well the particular games and apps work well on the N800 Aug 08 08:01:42 the 770 can play hamster dance, and badger mushroom Aug 08 08:01:44 i doubt 770 users will have issues with my package Aug 08 08:01:50 i'll test Aug 08 08:01:54 cool Aug 08 08:02:37 spent a good amount of time on it..I do not know html. Thank god for dreamweaver. Aug 08 08:02:39 homestarrunner is a bit too slow on the 770 Aug 08 08:03:41 don't have that. Aug 08 08:04:01 all the games in this package i made sure were running really good... Aug 08 08:04:14 the ones i did download that were slow..i got rid of them Aug 08 08:04:21 http://homestarrunner.com/sbemail.html Aug 08 08:04:34 found a descent pac-man while at it Aug 08 08:07:11 the other seven downloads. can you please let me know what needs to be fixed, likes and don't likes.. Aug 08 08:07:42 ok i got stuck on homestar again Aug 08 08:08:01 kinda annoying.. Aug 08 08:08:18 i was viewing it with my notebook.. Aug 08 08:08:47 i don't remember how long that email has been going on - long time Aug 08 08:08:59 sbemail4.html ruled for the temple of apshai reference Aug 08 08:14:32 pupnik, sbemail.html runs on the N800 Aug 08 08:14:59 yeah it's pretty strange stuff Aug 08 08:15:28 too slow on 770 though Aug 08 08:15:57 you have flash9 with the new firmware right? Aug 08 08:16:12 2006se here Aug 08 08:17:28 whoah 27MB Aug 08 08:17:42 idiot me dumped it onto home Aug 08 08:17:55 no Aug 08 08:17:59 mmc1 or 2 Aug 08 08:18:01 lol Aug 08 08:18:19 just bookmark index.html when you run it the first time.. Aug 08 08:18:42 ok Aug 08 08:20:21 doesn't want to untar on 770 Aug 08 08:20:40 untars fine on PC though Aug 08 08:20:44 tarred it with 7zip... Aug 08 08:20:49 might be the issue Aug 08 08:21:03 file ../MFlash.tar Aug 08 08:21:03 ../MFlash.tar: tar archiv Aug 08 08:21:15 ok Aug 08 08:25:10 Anyone got a sane (preferrably direct) link for that? Divshare gave the file once to me but it was aborted and now it doesn't give it anymore... Aug 08 08:25:22 wow lots of stuff Aug 08 08:26:03 does the 770 (2006) includes glibc 2.5? I'm trying to figure out which one to download from scratchbox Aug 08 08:26:26 why are you downloading glibc. that's in your root fs Aug 08 08:27:38 zuh Aug 08 08:27:42 hold on Aug 08 08:28:23 zuh, http://www.divshare.com/download/1503325-ae5 Aug 08 08:28:26 try again Aug 08 08:28:32 pupnik, scratchbox-toolkit-cs###-glibc-arm and glibc-i386, that's on the Maemo_2.2_Tutorial page Aug 08 08:28:40 if it fails..i'll upload it to another site Aug 08 08:29:02 but scratchbox has glibc-arm|i386 and glibc-2.5-arm|i386, which one should i use? Aug 08 08:29:07 i think it failed because alot of people were downloading it Aug 08 08:29:11 the lurkers Aug 08 08:34:18 i have cs2005q3.2-glibc-arm for 2.2 / gregale Aug 08 08:36:16 gravityball too slow, cubecrash doesn't display anything Aug 08 08:37:05 zuh, is it working? Aug 08 08:37:09 blix works ok except for end Aug 08 08:37:11 i have another link Aug 08 08:37:25 danm Aug 08 08:37:27 danm Aug 08 08:37:28 danm Aug 08 08:37:30 sucks Aug 08 08:37:46 maybe its a 2006HE only think Aug 08 08:37:50 i need more input Aug 08 08:37:54 pupnik, and the glibc version in the filesystem what version it is? Aug 08 08:38:34 hmm, myabe i should try it in the opera browser also.. Aug 08 08:38:37 apt-cache show libc6 Aug 08 08:38:45 Version: 2.3.5cs2005q3.2-4.osso18 Aug 08 08:39:21 bon dia / good morning Aug 08 08:39:29 rainy day in Barcelona Aug 08 08:39:57 same here - i should be outside working Aug 08 08:40:24 Where are you pupnik ? Aug 08 08:40:32 near frankfurt germany Aug 08 08:40:50 * pupnik will work in afternoon Aug 08 08:41:18 browser crash Aug 08 08:41:22 I'm at work now :) Aug 08 08:41:31 cubecrash is slow.. Aug 08 08:41:56 this was on that blix game Aug 08 08:43:06 gravityball is playable on here... Aug 08 08:43:10 blix also Aug 08 08:43:23 i'll make some notes in a textfile Aug 08 08:43:24 pupnik, thanks! Aug 08 08:43:32 yw saaib :) Aug 08 08:44:19 we've nice weather lately... sometimes a little host Aug 08 08:44:25 s/host/hot/ Aug 08 08:44:26 saaib meant: we've nice weather lately... sometimes a little hot Aug 08 08:44:29 zuh, http://boxstr.com/files/5875/MFlash.tar Aug 08 08:44:35 if divshare doesn't work Aug 08 08:44:54 bug 972 comment 3 Aug 08 08:44:54 <_Monkey> Bug 972 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=972#c3 Aug 08 08:44:58 moin Aug 08 08:45:01 that sounds like good news for the future Aug 08 08:50:24 unique311: thanks Aug 08 08:51:35 unique311: I got it now Aug 08 08:55:56 cool Aug 08 09:24:06 hello all; i'd like to embed JavaScript into one of my applications. can you help me finding a suitable interpreter library? i can't find prepackaged any. Aug 08 09:26:19 how about webkit Aug 08 09:27:53 konttori: do you mean https://garage.maemo.org/projects/maemowebkit ? Aug 08 09:28:13 good morning Aug 08 09:28:36 yeah Aug 08 09:29:18 maybe you want to strip it from unnecessary stuff, but that should have pretty good javascript lib. Aug 08 09:29:23 anyway, just an idea Aug 08 09:31:16 konttori: maybe i'm just being blind, but garage sais they haven't released any files, am i looking in the wrong direction? Aug 08 09:31:43 well, I think you could just take the original webkit as well. Or wait for them to release (or contact them) Aug 08 09:33:25 hi mallum Aug 08 09:33:37 hello florian Aug 08 09:34:22 hmm, thanks anyway. do you happen to know how it compares to the JS library of Mozilla (libmozjs) ? Aug 08 09:34:56 webkit for maemo can be built out of the webkit svn, apparently Aug 08 09:35:59 see this mailing list discussion which has some links to the webkit.org svn: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/25399#25399 Aug 08 09:39:15 http://www.atoker.com/blog/2007/08/07/webkit-maemo-port-n800-and-the-eal/ Aug 08 09:40:03 nice... with svg suppor too Aug 08 09:40:10 s/suppor/support/ Aug 08 09:40:10 milhouse meant: nice... with svg support too Aug 08 09:48:35 time to sleep, g'nit all Aug 08 10:03:46 new version of microb available in app manager... seems to install ok on top of the original release... not noticed any bug fixes or improvements (but then I thought the original was pretty good) :) Aug 08 10:05:29 i can't install the new microb, it depends on microb-engine Aug 08 10:05:44 should ask timeless when he's around Aug 08 10:06:45 it's strange to spot texrat walking down with qgil our offices. :) Aug 08 10:06:57 :) Aug 08 10:12:37 roope: is texrat a helsinki resident these days? Aug 08 10:20:42 no, he's just visiting. Aug 08 10:22:23 ahh... just wondering. He's been such a visible character at the internettablettalk Aug 08 10:26:55 yeah. :) Aug 08 10:30:17 omg. apple has finally launched numbers. sweet. Aug 08 10:31:12 the new imac design is a bit off, imho. it looks like an old 80's television. with the "surureunat", black edges. Aug 08 10:31:31 I agree. Also, no audience reaction in the launch event. Aug 08 10:31:35 And the "Jay Leno chin" still down at the bottom. :) Aug 08 10:31:37 It's like a no-news item Aug 08 10:31:46 ;) Aug 08 10:31:52 Yeah, the video ... There's really a power in getting a fanatical crowd to watch those events. Aug 08 10:31:58 That was presented really somewhere else, to non-fans. Aug 08 10:31:59 apple did a deal with intel though :( boo Aug 08 10:32:10 It makes a bit difference. To hear the claps after every sentence. Aug 08 10:32:12 Anyway, nice hardware upgrade and might look better when I see it live, but the presentation one didin't look that good. Aug 08 10:32:26 OTOH the BT keyboard looks like one I might switch to. Aug 08 10:32:28 i think apple is tired of underdog cpus Aug 08 10:32:30 Jobs even held some pauses, waiting for applause. Aug 08 10:33:12 true. Well, he got a few, but probably not in the places he was expecting them. Aug 08 10:34:12 Numbers really looks like a 'smart' way to use spreadsheets. Aug 08 10:43:05 oh, apple presented new stuff? Aug 08 10:43:28 I only owna macbook, but its enough for me to not wanna touch apple stuff again Aug 08 10:44:02 since > 6 updates they just don;t get the powermanagement work reliable :( Aug 08 10:44:02 yeah, apple launched new imac and ilife Aug 08 10:44:05 and iwork Aug 08 10:44:46 mh, nice for their targetgroup Aug 08 10:45:40 i really was fascinated by the iphone, until i got facts about it ... that was when i bought the n800 ;) Aug 08 10:50:03 i'm surprised how much crosstalk there is between iphone and n800 markets Aug 08 10:56:56 im waiting for openmoko Aug 08 11:01:54 any recent news on that? Aug 08 11:02:16 i'm not too intrested in openmoko untill they have a device with decent featureset.. Aug 08 11:02:24 the developer edition is out Aug 08 11:02:37 mass market edition in october Aug 08 11:03:21 that one will mave more storage, better cpu, and wifi Aug 08 11:03:51 yeah but that was old news Aug 08 11:03:55 that's all i know Aug 08 11:03:59 i just am interested in it Aug 08 11:04:05 and just adding wifi doesn't quite cut the featureset to decent Aug 08 11:04:07 ive been using the same phone for over 4 years now Aug 08 11:04:24 any phone is an improvement Aug 08 11:04:47 heh Aug 08 11:06:00 in the meantime i use a 770 Aug 08 11:06:06 so it's all ok Aug 08 11:07:43 i just prefer 3g over wifi quite a bit Aug 08 11:07:55 im not that fussed myself Aug 08 11:08:03 hsdpa rocks Aug 08 11:08:25 the reason my phone is so old now is because i hardly ever use it Aug 08 11:08:29 compared to edge, and has several advantages over wifi.. like being available Aug 08 11:08:49 a moko would be more like a toy than a phone really Aug 08 11:09:31 a greenphone would be more like a toy at this point too :\ Aug 08 11:10:37 i think that'd be even more of a toy than a moko Aug 08 11:10:47 but i don't really know anything about it so that's first impression Aug 08 11:11:30 anywho, g2g Aug 08 11:11:56 a cell phone is what an employer pays me extra for to be able to reach me when a server goes down Aug 08 11:13:28 alternatively what a girlfriend pays for to be able to nag me Aug 08 11:15:35 greenphone seemed quite nice tbh. but, boring featureset as a phone in this day and age(so, suck for personal use. and no market at least yet for apps so nogo profession wise) Aug 08 11:27:57 morning Aug 08 11:27:57 <_Monkey> aloha Aug 08 12:05:03 do you already know that tut?? Aug 08 12:05:04 http://tinyurl.com/22gh7q Aug 08 12:05:04 hi lardman Aug 08 12:05:08 hi there Aug 08 12:06:05 what's with the spam dubdibdub Aug 08 13:04:40 is there an os 2007 theme repository somewhere ? Aug 08 13:07:34 you can get the debs for the stock 2007 themes Aug 08 13:08:17 which repository should i use for that ? gonna try in sdk Aug 08 13:08:42 the bora repos Aug 08 13:10:07 if you are using os2006 you can search the web for themes-os07-14pt-0.1-1.deb Aug 08 13:11:20 "apt-cache search theme" doesn't return such themes-os07 package :( Aug 08 13:11:43 although i have repository.maemo.org bora configured Aug 08 13:12:34 in it2006 with mistral/gregale repos i see osso-theme-theme1 - Color variation 1 them etc Aug 08 13:16:41 hmm Aug 08 13:16:52 well i browsed 3.2 packages Aug 08 13:16:54 found nothing Aug 08 13:17:14 http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo3.2/ Aug 08 13:18:34 in canola how can i remove a tracks entry Aug 08 13:18:39 for some reason its found a track that isnt there Aug 08 13:18:46 and of course errors trying to play it Aug 08 13:20:05 amr, you can go to canola-conf and push the rescan button to update the file entries Aug 08 13:20:14 ah, ty Aug 08 13:24:22 tigert: by chance, do you know if there are debs for the n800 themes ? Aug 08 13:25:41 which themes? Aug 08 13:26:13 the official themes are not freely available, but plankton exists as deb, but it is not yet compatible with the latest release Aug 08 13:26:17 I need to fix it a bit Aug 08 13:26:36 sorry about the delay :/ Aug 08 13:26:47 we miss plankton Aug 08 13:29:36 Hey, kudos for the nokia mozilla browser developer. The updated version seems and feels much nicer than previous one. Aug 08 13:30:36 does it happen to you: when i launch my app in armel sdk (with qemu) i notice a big lag at the very beginning Aug 08 13:30:39 then it's smooth Aug 08 13:31:39 tigert: yes the official themes, why not providing debs when one can bother taking the files out of the device ? Aug 08 13:31:48 it didn't happen to me in mistral. I don't use qemu-armel anymore, I just cp over the binaries and use the device. Aug 08 13:32:15 also i never try to debug with armel/qemu, does it work ? Aug 08 13:32:19 never tried Aug 08 13:32:51 dont really remember Aug 08 13:33:08 konttori: at ukmp you just play videos on fullscreen right ? Aug 08 13:33:09 i think i couldn't get it to work and used intel target to debug instead Aug 08 13:33:15 yeah Aug 08 13:33:18 using mplayer Aug 08 13:33:27 basically just a call to mplayer Aug 08 13:34:31 guardian: they come with the device anyway Aug 08 13:34:45 guardian: so what use would they be separately? Aug 08 13:34:55 tigert: scratchbox perhaps? Aug 08 13:35:07 well, plankton is imho much nicer theme *cough* Aug 08 13:35:13 doesn't it still has the fugly it2005 theme Aug 08 13:35:20 it has plankton afaik Aug 08 13:35:23 at least it will have Aug 08 13:35:42 since the ugly 2005 theme is no more, plankton took its place Aug 08 13:35:42 konttori: yeah...I'm having problems playing videos (w/ mplayer) on a given wid (when I go to fullscreen and come back...xv crashes) Aug 08 13:35:43 tigert: checking the look & feel of my app in the sdk Aug 08 13:35:54 do you have 770? Aug 08 13:36:01 btw have you checked out kagu? you should :) Aug 08 13:36:08 guardian: it's pretty easy to copy the theme from the device to sdk.. Aug 08 13:36:17 konttori: daniel stone talked about this on the list some time ago... Aug 08 13:36:25 indeed it's easy Aug 08 13:36:32 apt-get install is even easier Aug 08 13:36:36 sure Aug 08 13:36:47 so, the problem is related to one vid? Aug 08 13:37:02 If that is the case, it sounds like it's a crash bug in mplayer Aug 08 13:37:18 and as such, you should contact serge and send the vid to him to test Aug 08 13:38:07 konttori: no..any vid...serge talked with dstone sometime ago on maemo-dev about this...serge was saying it was a bug on xv e dstone saying it was on mplayer hehe Aug 08 13:38:10 guardian: yeah Aug 08 13:38:30 guardian: but yea, currently they are part of the branding and thus not part of the sdk Aug 08 13:38:34 ahh... sounds nasty. which firmware do you have? Aug 08 13:38:42 konttori: the fact is that if you run mplayer and go to fullscreen and go back it doesnt crash...but if you give a xid with -wid then we have the problem =( Aug 08 13:38:48 konttori: last one.... Aug 08 13:39:06 -wid ... what's that? Aug 08 13:39:42 oh, you mean like playing in an app window? Aug 08 13:39:58 konttori: exactly Aug 08 13:40:16 ahh... all right. I'm getting it now. Sounds really annoying. Aug 08 13:40:41 also, sounds like a mplayer problem, as the default player is able to work that way. Aug 08 13:41:08 Hmm... I wonder if that applies to only gtk windows or also to sdl windows. Aug 08 13:41:21 because if it works in sdl, I might add that to the next version of ukmp. Aug 08 13:42:02 konttori: yeah..good point...I'm using gtk windows.. Aug 08 13:47:54 So, how should I call mplayer? Aug 08 13:48:05 what should be in the -wid ? Aug 08 13:48:13 Just the application name or what? Aug 08 13:48:39 ahh... it's actually an id. How can I get it? Aug 08 13:51:39 Hmmm nice: http://www.atoker.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/webkit2.png Aug 08 13:52:46 And this webkit browser even does SVG.. http://www.atoker.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/webkit3.png Aug 08 13:56:13 which repository should i configure, to get cairo in the sdk , Aug 08 13:56:15 ? Aug 08 13:56:37 konttori: using gtk ? Aug 08 13:56:45 konttori: it's the window id Aug 08 13:57:27 konttori: objects that have property "window.xid" Aug 08 13:58:04 disq: were you asking me about kagu? Aug 08 13:58:27 konttori: no :) it got mixed up i guess Aug 08 13:58:32 i was asking tigert Aug 08 14:02:23 ahh.. cool. Aug 08 14:06:27 Why do i get: mount: Mounting 192.168.1.18:/home/pub on /media/nfs failed: No such device Aug 08 14:06:37 When i try to mount my NFS-server on my Nokia 770 Aug 08 14:06:51 /media/nfs does exist Aug 08 14:21:45 hello folks Aug 08 14:22:26 hi Aug 08 14:22:26 <_Monkey> que tal, MoRpHeUz Aug 08 14:22:50 _Monkey? Aug 08 14:22:50 <_Monkey> NeoStrider? Aug 08 14:22:54 hahahhahah Aug 08 14:23:12 Who would know that Beryl acually helps me debugging my SDL game Aug 08 14:23:20 it makes it slower, just like it would be on the tablets Aug 08 14:25:01 hi NeoStrider Aug 08 14:25:20 hello erstazi Aug 08 14:25:23 whats up? Aug 08 14:25:37 NeoStrider, not too much, do you package for maemo at all? Aug 08 14:25:58 yeah...sure...but using MaemoWizard Aug 08 14:26:28 ah Aug 08 14:27:43 how do you set a maintainer's name when using dh_make? i have the parameter -e youremail@domain.com but there isn't a maintainer's name parameter, also should I prepend to the email address my name? Aug 08 14:29:29 control file? Aug 08 14:29:33 let me check here Aug 08 14:29:57 yeah Aug 08 14:30:00 control file Aug 08 14:30:08 "Maintainer: Daniel Monteiro " Aug 08 14:30:13 (from angstron) Aug 08 14:31:06 hmm Aug 08 14:31:13 ok Aug 08 14:31:21 I guess I will have to do that after I run dh_make Aug 08 14:32:17 thats what I do... Aug 08 14:36:02 NeoStrider, I am porting PocketSphinx Aug 08 14:36:12 what is it Aug 08 14:36:13 ? Aug 08 14:36:14 so far, all that I see that it depends on is Sphinxbase Aug 08 14:36:30 speech to text... so I can just speak into the nokia instead of tapping Aug 08 14:36:44 I think I found out where the input methods are stored Aug 08 14:36:58 I am going to read up tonight and see if I can add it as a method if this all works Aug 08 14:38:14 <|tbb|> that would be cOOl Aug 08 14:40:31 now to automate the adding of an input method, that would be nice Aug 08 14:50:24 erstazi: but the binaries do work? Aug 08 14:51:07 erstazi: how much did you get your n800 for Aug 08 15:10:18 got to go Aug 08 15:10:20 lunch Aug 08 15:10:38 hope erstazi get the voice thing to work Aug 08 15:12:11 bluehash, I have a 770 Aug 08 15:12:22 NeoStrider, I had to run to the shop for a second, I haven't installed anything yet Aug 08 15:12:39 I have some down time from svn'ing and vnc'ing my work Aug 08 15:12:48 ah ok...you want a second 770 for testing purposes, count on me Aug 08 15:12:52 well Aug 08 15:12:56 cya! Aug 08 15:16:03 bluehash, and I hear amazon has great deals on n800 Aug 08 15:16:42 don't buy on ebay, most of the people bidding do not realize the prices of other places that have the n800 for sale Aug 08 15:18:24 hello bipolar, shackan, bergie, klausade Aug 08 15:18:35 hi Aug 08 15:18:38 and hello * (everyone else) Aug 08 15:18:44 how are yinz today? Aug 08 15:24:52 hrm, trying to update my N800 - when I plugin the USB and then the charger - my desktop says "USB device found found at bus 005, device address 035" Aug 08 15:24:59 and then drops back to a prompt - without updating Aug 08 15:26:38 ajturner, I have a 770 so I am sorry Aug 08 15:26:52 there might be something on itt forums or maemo talking about that Aug 08 15:27:10 bergie should know! Aug 08 15:27:10 :) Aug 08 15:27:51 ajturner: what OS are you using to flash? Aug 08 15:27:59 ubuntu Aug 08 15:28:04 leenox Aug 08 15:28:14 have you done it yet on your laptop? Aug 08 15:29:48 I've always flashed from Mac Aug 08 15:30:02 there is a flasher on the mac? Aug 08 15:30:06 yeah Aug 08 15:30:07 ajturner, there is Aug 08 15:30:14 for 3.0? Aug 08 15:30:18 ajturner, ubuntu has a flasher as well Aug 08 15:30:27 well Aug 08 15:30:28 erstazi: I'm aware of that, which is where I'm stuck Aug 08 15:30:29 not just ubuntu Aug 08 15:30:47 http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_flashlatestnokiaimagewithmacosx/ Aug 08 15:30:48 erstazi: Thanks Aug 08 15:30:50 I only see the flasher-2.0 for mac Aug 08 15:31:24 bergie: that will work with 2007? Aug 08 15:31:44 I think it does... I used it to update my N800 at least Aug 08 15:32:50 ajturner, I think its just flashing for OS2006 Aug 08 15:32:55 so you will have OS2006 Aug 08 15:33:02 hi solmumaha and greentux Aug 08 15:33:26 erstazi: depends on the image I throw at it - what is not clear is how it will handle a 2007 image, but bergie sez it'll work Aug 08 15:33:37 ajturner, that is true Aug 08 15:33:42 can't hurt to try it Aug 08 15:33:48 erstazi: are you sure it can't? Aug 08 15:34:06 ajturner, that would seem fishy, I wouldn't do it myself, I prefer a stable method Aug 08 15:34:20 erstazi: which goes back to my original q Aug 08 15:34:23 ajturner, can you clarify your issues with using flasher 3.0 on ubuntu Aug 08 15:34:35 ajturner, I am on ubuntu myself but I do not have a n800 Aug 08 15:36:12 ajturner, http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithLinux (look at Flashing the Nokia N800) Aug 08 15:36:59 erstazi: I followed those instructions, and this is what happens: Aug 08 15:36:59 Suitable USB device not found, waiting Aug 08 15:36:59 USB device found found at bus 005, device address 035 Aug 08 15:36:59 ajturner@marchhare:~/Desktop$ Aug 08 15:37:04 it drops out, and never did the update Aug 08 15:37:19 I even tried the perl patch at the bottom Aug 08 15:39:31 ajturner, now, try it again Aug 08 15:39:36 run through the whole sequence again Aug 08 15:39:44 what? Aug 08 15:41:20 ajturner, follow Flashing the Nokia N800 again from the url I listed Aug 08 15:41:31 and see if we can get this to work again Aug 08 15:41:33 erstazi: why would it be diff't the third time I gry? Aug 08 15:41:34 try Aug 08 15:41:47 ajturner, there might be a method to this madness! Aug 08 15:41:48 haha Aug 08 15:41:58 you haven't explained a method yet Aug 08 15:42:02 I am assuming you tried this: N800: Now plug in the charger to switch on the N800 or switch it on using the power button WHILE holding the Home-butto Aug 08 15:42:27 s/Home-butto/Home-button Aug 08 15:42:53 yes, assuming the home button is the one with the icon of the house on it Aug 08 15:43:14 yes Aug 08 15:43:30 there, 6 times - no change Aug 08 15:43:45 hmm Aug 08 15:44:15 ajturner, you have a mac? do you have windows? Aug 08 15:44:21 those are your other sources Aug 08 15:44:37 I never heard anyone having a problem with running this flasher on ubuntu Aug 08 15:44:57 erstazi: I have all 3 - however, the only instructions referring to 2007 use the Flasher-3.0 which is linux only Aug 08 15:45:21 ajturner, nokia's website has a windows flasher Aug 08 15:45:29 maemo is where the linux flasher is Aug 08 15:45:33 so I just started the scratchbox enviroment on the vmware image. I got the maemo gui. but the control panel, etc is empty. How would I go about installing apps? From the console apt-get? Aug 08 15:45:56 Darksmurf, you can do it that way Aug 08 15:48:15 is there a way for me to get the 'real' control panel, etc? I'm just trying to see what the OS is like, not develop - yet. I havn't gotten my device yet. Aug 08 15:49:07 Darksmurf, I am not sure with the vmware image, I would suggest just installing all that, it should be on maemo Aug 08 15:49:16 Darksmurf, I would help more but I am working at the moment Aug 08 15:49:48 no problem thanks Aug 08 16:19:49 i guess it could be my spotty wifi but has anyone had hit&miss like behaviour using uktube on a 770? Aug 08 16:21:21 tso, sometimes Aug 08 16:21:31 right now I have a DNS issue to resolve with my router Aug 08 16:22:04 hit it with a hammer until it either behaves or stops working fully... Aug 08 16:22:14 heh Aug 08 16:22:20 actually, I think its now just Opera Aug 08 16:22:38 going to verify Aug 08 16:23:21 if its opera on the 770 your having issues with i can relate. given how good the opera on a desktop is, the opera on the 770 is just insane... Aug 08 16:23:36 i sure hope someone backport the webkit or mozilla stuff to 770 Aug 08 16:23:38 opera is alright for the desktop Aug 08 16:23:47 tso, minimo? Aug 08 16:23:50 minimo? Aug 08 16:23:51 <_Monkey> minimo is probably (Mini Mozilla) Web browser, a slimmed down version of mozilla browser aiming resource reduced devices. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/minimo/ Aug 08 16:24:16 tso, I got bored one night so I added _Monkey with response bait Aug 08 16:24:16 i looked into getting minimo installed but well... Aug 08 16:24:18 haha Aug 08 16:24:30 allways fun Aug 08 16:25:29 IRC works on 770 Aug 08 16:25:32 heh, rebuilding the software collection after reflashing the device (application manager started having issues) is a fun experience. had forgotten about the maemo-hacker.org stuff until i went to install pidgin Aug 08 16:25:38 now to see if the browser will give me what I want Aug 08 16:25:50 tso, do you know about sources.list? Aug 08 16:25:57 /etc/apt/sources.list Aug 08 16:26:04 nope :( Aug 08 16:26:06 ok Aug 08 16:26:07 ah Aug 08 16:26:18 well I have a sources.list for you: http://c-wd.net/sources.list Aug 08 16:26:42 basically, do you have xterm installed? Aug 08 16:26:50 hi jyro Aug 08 16:27:03 hi Aug 08 16:27:03 <_Monkey> privet, jyro Aug 08 16:27:30 im impressed by the number of protocols that pidgin supports Aug 08 16:27:46 tso, yeah, I still use gaim Aug 08 16:28:06 xterm? Aug 08 16:28:06 <_Monkey> xterm is the enhanced version of osso-xterm from maemo-hackers. It adds font and color selection support, URL opening through context menu, and a sidebar with additional keys such as Ctrl+letters. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/osso-xterm-advanced Aug 08 16:28:19 tso, if you get that xterm installed, then becomeroot Aug 08 16:28:26 then you can edit the /etc/apt/sources.list Aug 08 16:31:14 ok, links and links2 work Aug 08 16:38:16 woho, minimo didnt like me using the finger keyboard... Aug 08 16:44:10 ok, for all the bugs in opera, i still prefer it. on on-screen drag, issues with the finger keyboard, and not respecting the full screen button?! Aug 08 16:45:14 hmrf, i guess i should have looked closer at some stuff... Aug 08 16:48:03 the first time i sync with a new bluetooth input device, my 770 reboots. then it works fine. Aug 08 16:48:17 the first time my boss ran the OMWeather applet, ditto. Aug 08 16:55:44 so whats the password for user 'maemo' on the vmware image? Aug 08 17:27:35 bug 1682 - that's how nokia should use bugzilla!!! :) Aug 08 17:27:35 <_Monkey> Bug 1682 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1682 Aug 08 17:27:43 (thanks timeless) Aug 08 17:43:06 evening all... Aug 08 17:44:06 hi! I'm writing a little app with pygtk, should I be trying to get a gtk.Dialog to be fullscreen, or should I be making a modal gtk.window? Aug 08 17:44:42 any way to sync gpe calendar with a phone? Aug 08 17:47:12 Is there a howto somewhere on how to use the flasher to put the 2007 OS on a SD card in the N800? I already have a boot menu thing to ask if I want to boot from flash or internal ram. Aug 08 17:48:29 putting os 2007 on sd is pretty much the same as putting os 2006 on mmc Aug 08 17:49:15 I can't remember what switch I need for the flasher Aug 08 17:49:19 to say use the internal mmc Aug 08 17:49:37 i thought you said you had the boot menu installed? Aug 08 17:49:49 I did that *ages* ago when the n800 came out ;-) Aug 08 17:49:53 My memory is not so good Aug 08 17:50:58 milhouse: Do you know how to do it? Aug 08 17:51:08 the flasher way or boot menu way? Aug 08 17:51:14 errr Aug 08 17:51:17 I have the boot menu Aug 08 17:51:20 and I just got a new sd card Aug 08 17:51:31 I was hoping I could use the flasher to put the OS on the flash card and walk away Aug 08 17:51:34 if you have the boot menu, choose the 3rd option down Aug 08 17:51:46 no, that won't work Aug 08 17:52:03 you can't install the OS on to the SD card using flasher Aug 08 17:52:04 the third option is flash card (internal) Aug 08 17:52:07 ah Aug 08 17:52:27 I need to go out fairly soon so I'll just flash it normally and worry about making it work on the internal sd card later Aug 08 17:52:30 thanks for the help Aug 08 17:52:39 np Aug 08 17:59:47 whats the password for user 'maemo' on the vmware image? Aug 08 17:59:57 (scratchbox that is) Aug 08 18:17:16 do you use xnvserver on the device ? i find it slow :( Aug 08 18:17:28 guardian, I have used it before Aug 08 18:17:36 I used vncviewer Aug 08 18:17:51 and xvncserver is ok to view the tablet from a pc Aug 08 18:18:05 the server lets a remote connection to view whats on the tablet Aug 08 18:18:15 the vncviewer lets you view other desktops and use Aug 08 18:18:42 i'm running this server on the tablet http://mike.saunby.googlepages.com/x11vncfornokia7702 Aug 08 18:18:49 but it's a bit slow Aug 08 18:18:56 yes Aug 08 18:19:03 are you connecting to the tablet from a pc? Aug 08 18:19:04 i wonder if it's because of wifi or because the n800 is not powerful enough Aug 08 18:19:07 yeah from a pc Aug 08 18:19:11 what client are you using on the pc? Aug 08 18:19:18 what comes with ubuntu :) Aug 08 18:19:25 just typed vncviewer in command line Aug 08 18:19:29 ok Aug 08 18:19:36 would usb network be faster than wifi ? Aug 08 18:19:38 what ip address are you connecting to? Aug 08 18:19:42 guardian, no Aug 08 18:19:50 the ip of the n800 Aug 08 18:19:52 are you using wireless G or B? Aug 08 18:19:54 yes Aug 08 18:19:56 it's registered in dhcp Aug 08 18:20:05 so i just type vncviewer n800 Aug 08 18:20:08 ok Aug 08 18:20:19 what you might need to do is change the color depth and the resolution Aug 08 18:20:31 what screen resolution did you choose? Aug 08 18:20:38 where ? Aug 08 18:20:47 the color depth can be 8 and not 16 or whatever the n800 has Aug 08 18:21:15 guardian, Applications > Internet > Terminal Server Client Aug 08 18:21:18 i changed nothing to the server, since it's just clicking extras>x11vnc Aug 08 18:21:33 guardian, you have to change the settings in the client Aug 08 18:21:52 ok Aug 08 18:21:52 a color depth of 16 or 24 is a lot to transfer Aug 08 18:21:54 testing Aug 08 18:23:35 well not that better Aug 08 18:23:50 screen refresh is still slugish Aug 08 18:23:57 let me try some settings Aug 08 18:24:07 do you have rdesktop installed? Aug 08 18:24:09 specially when the mouse is moving fast Aug 08 18:24:15 yes i guess so Aug 08 18:24:56 guardian, sudo apt-get install rdesktop on your ubunu Aug 08 18:25:01 s/ubunu/ubuntu Aug 08 18:25:07 it's installed Aug 08 18:26:02 ok Aug 08 18:26:13 I believe thats the same as the Terminal Server client Aug 08 18:26:19 but I am going to give you a command Aug 08 18:28:34 guardian, rdesktop -u YOURUSERNAME -g 800x480 -e -b IPADDRESS Aug 08 18:28:42 anything in caps need changed to your settings Aug 08 18:29:11 you can change IPADDRESS to n800 Aug 08 18:29:13 it should work Aug 08 18:30:04 i don't have rdesktop server on the device Aug 08 18:30:10 you don't need it Aug 08 18:30:19 x11vnc will work with it Aug 08 18:30:37 doesn't work Aug 08 18:30:40 rdesktop -u YOURUSERNAME -p YOUPASSWORD -g 800x480 -e -b IPADDRESS Aug 08 18:30:44 I forgot -p Aug 08 18:30:56 with vncviewer i don't need any user/pass Aug 08 18:31:28 ah Aug 08 18:31:32 hmmm Aug 08 18:31:57 I don't run vncviewer through terminal on ubuntu, I use the actual GUI Aug 08 18:32:06 and it should have settings to alter the color depth and resolution Aug 08 18:32:12 well Aug 08 18:32:17 also if force bitmap updates is set Aug 08 18:32:19 with terminal server client Aug 08 18:32:24 i don't need to specify user pass as well Aug 08 18:32:34 hmm Aug 08 18:34:17 isn't usb networking faster ? Aug 08 18:39:22 guardian, I am not sure, but honestly, I use VNC every day, its a fact of life with that being slow Aug 08 18:39:53 if you can get the display colors or color depth down to 8 (it will only be 256 colors then) you will see an improvement Aug 08 18:40:14 there will always be a lag, its just a fact of things Aug 08 18:40:22 if you can look into NX, I would use it Aug 08 18:40:29 guardian, http://nomachine.com Aug 08 18:40:41 they have versions for *nux Aug 08 18:41:10 an nxserver on the device would be nice Aug 08 18:45:23 guardian, I am not sure if they have nxserver for ARM arch and debian Aug 08 18:45:32 they are closed source but NX client works nicely on ubuntu as well Aug 08 18:45:36 I have had to use it a few times Aug 08 18:46:06 i recently tried the new shadow session Aug 08 18:46:17 but keyboard layout is badly fucked up Aug 08 18:46:20 was not usable Aug 08 18:50:19 guardian, I vnc'ed to my nokia 770, I was able to type into xterm but not anything else with my pc's keyboard Aug 08 18:50:39 the command line needs tweaking and if I wasn't working I would mess with it more Aug 08 18:52:28 I need to get a plug in for the keyboard though Aug 08 19:04:42 ooh... new mplayer on garage just released by serge Aug 08 19:05:33 PNG and JPG support added to mplayer - good for kagu? Aug 08 19:05:41 and ALSA sound output Aug 08 19:05:51 hi guys, quick question, i'm sure it's a FAQ, but does the 770 run all the same software as the 800? Aug 08 19:06:03 kind of Aug 08 19:06:09 depends Aug 08 19:06:10 getting a 404 at http://maemo.org/faq/faq.html Aug 08 19:06:11 maybe Aug 08 19:06:37 the answer is yes, in most cases Aug 08 19:06:38 zaf, most of the time, there are apps that run on both, but I have found that no, there are some apps that will not Aug 08 19:06:56 s/most/many/ Aug 08 19:06:56 milhouse meant: the answer is yes, in many cases Aug 08 19:07:00 zaf, scratchbox has became a friend to me (: so I like to port Aug 08 19:07:34 zaf, I would stick to a good sources.list so you don't have to keep downloading through the browser Aug 08 19:08:10 just seeing how cheap the N770s are, and wondering if it's worth a new toy ;) Aug 08 19:08:44 zaf, I have a 770 Aug 08 19:08:58 zaf, and I am not upset with buying it Aug 08 19:09:10 how's the keyboarding? Aug 08 19:09:29 zaf, do you like tapping a screen or teaching it to do handwriting? Aug 08 19:09:39 prolly prefer tapping Aug 08 19:09:47 my handwriting is bad Aug 08 19:10:11 zaf, you can teach it your handwriting, its pretty good implementation Aug 08 19:10:27 if it can learn my handwriting, it's smarter than me Aug 08 19:10:30 zaf, I have a syndrome called doctor's handwriting Aug 08 19:10:44 but I am not a doctor Aug 08 19:10:50 yeah, my grandfather was a Dr, and i inherited that trait from him Aug 08 19:11:04 also you can ssh to it or vnc to your nokia Aug 08 19:11:10 nice Aug 08 19:11:23 hoping to use it as an ssh client mostly Aug 08 19:11:42 is the 800 just faster? Aug 08 19:11:50 zaf, if you buy one, I have a pretty decent sources.list and there are many apps we can suggest to you to download and install Aug 08 19:12:01 cool Aug 08 19:12:06 zaf, I would assume it is, especially being a newer model a year and a half later Aug 08 19:13:05 is it a usb host, or just device? Aug 08 19:13:34 what do you mean usb host precisely? Aug 08 19:13:43 can you plug usb devices into it? Aug 08 19:13:47 oh Aug 08 19:13:53 you can plug usb devices into it Aug 08 19:13:58 neat Aug 08 19:14:03 some people hook up keyboards, harddrives, etc Aug 08 19:14:17 the hard drive part is complex but the keyboard isn't Aug 08 19:14:31 I would suggest a bluetooth keyboard though Aug 08 19:14:46 really, it just breaks down to do you want to spend $130 or $330? Aug 08 19:15:01 yah Aug 08 19:16:24 for doing 770 development, would I be better off using scratchbox 0.9.8/maemo 2.0 or scratchbox 1.0.7/maemo 2.2? Aug 08 19:16:44 r4sput1n, do you have the latest updates? Aug 08 19:17:05 r4sput1n, I use latter myself Aug 08 19:17:22 s/use latter/use the latter/ Aug 08 19:17:23 erstazi meant: r4sput1n, I use the latter myself Aug 08 19:17:24 I have the latest stable OS update for the 770 Aug 08 19:17:32 then I would use the latter Aug 08 19:17:56 r4sput1n, scratchbox is great (: Aug 08 19:18:01 have you tried using the laika plugin for eclipse? Aug 08 19:18:05 no Aug 08 19:18:59 where do bugs about hildon go? Aug 08 19:19:03 which bug tracker? Aug 08 19:19:10 gnome, bugs.maemo, or something else? Aug 08 19:19:18 hildon is part of gnome Aug 08 19:19:18 erstazi: thanks Aug 08 19:19:25 r4sput1n, no problem (: Aug 08 19:19:32 r4sput1n, don't give in easy! Aug 08 19:19:40 timeless, I would say gnome Aug 08 19:19:57 ok, find me the component in http://bugzilla.gnome.org/query.cgi Aug 08 19:20:00 and i'll file it there Aug 08 19:20:46 timeless, want me to make it appear there haaha Aug 08 19:21:08 erstazi: you can't find it either :) Aug 08 19:21:56 Is there anyone with a IT-2005 OS Nokia 770 still around? I need something tested :) Aug 08 19:22:15 x-fade: um, i have access to a bunch of 770s Aug 08 19:22:18 i can flash... Aug 08 19:22:51 timeless: Just need the browser identification string :) Aug 08 19:23:02 hrm, um Aug 08 19:23:05 i might be able to cheat on that Aug 08 19:23:21 I have a few 770's but they are all 2006.. Aug 08 19:23:41 https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=hildon ? Aug 08 19:23:46 milhouse, if you're around, you might be interested in this: https://www.guardiani.us/projects/kagu/changeset/317 Aug 08 19:24:44 hello Aug 08 19:25:15 really? Aug 08 19:25:29 do you mean that change or another one? Aug 08 19:26:36 milhouse: that one. speeds up AVRCP commands. Aug 08 19:26:56 how complete does it need to be? :) Aug 08 19:26:58 ah, cool Aug 08 19:27:06 Mozilla/%s (%s; U) Opera 8.02 Aug 08 19:27:09 that's forward/back via the bluetooth headset? Aug 08 19:27:17 milhouse: yeah, and pause. Aug 08 19:27:27 i'll have to give that a go... will that be in kagu 1.0.3? Aug 08 19:27:35 sure will. Aug 08 19:27:41 that's from pe2 Aug 08 19:27:50 milhouse: hopefully we'll release this Sunday. Aug 08 19:27:52 marvelous. did you see serge has released a new mplayer with jpg/png/alsa support? Aug 08 19:28:13 * timeless is having trouble finding flashes Aug 08 19:28:22 timeless: I think the only thing I need is the browser number.. Aug 08 19:28:24 milhouse: yeah, I instigated that. Aug 08 19:28:35 so the 8.02 is sufficient? Aug 08 19:28:39 interesting, someone from Dallas is trying to hack into my itt forum account Aug 08 19:28:40 timeless: like 0.4.31 or 0.4.34 Aug 08 19:28:54 x-fade: is that from the ui? Aug 08 19:28:55 milhouse: slowly working toward making A2DP easy for people on the n800. :) Aug 08 19:28:55 cool - let me know when/if any script changes are required and i'll update my a2dp-for-dummies install script Aug 08 19:28:56 timeless: Nope.. those 2 were 2006. Aug 08 19:29:06 timeless: yeah, I guess so. Aug 08 19:29:18 milhouse: does your script install mplayer? Aug 08 19:29:26 timeless: Both are Opera 8.02 Aug 08 19:29:36 trevarthan: yes, it will Aug 08 19:29:39 An I think 2005 had 8.02 also? Aug 08 19:30:13 OK. Well, that mplayer release will hit maemo.org soon, if it hasn't already. You'll need to make sure the user has at least version .18 Aug 08 19:30:13 so it seems Aug 08 19:30:24 trevarthan: but assuming you can use the latest version from serge i'll update it to check the version and install only if necessary Aug 08 19:30:24 i'm just using edit.com on libopera.so :) Aug 08 19:30:41 it was faster than trying to find the download site :) Aug 08 19:30:47 milhouse: yeah. I'll be removing the binary from my site in a few days. Aug 08 19:30:52 trevarthan: i guess mplayer should be pulled from garage rather than your site? Aug 08 19:31:14 milhouse: should be pulled from maemo.org, not garage. once it hits maemo.org, that is. Aug 08 19:31:40 * timeless tries running the flasher Aug 08 19:32:06 trevarthan - yes, that makes life easier... can remove the wget mplayer-* entirely Aug 08 19:32:49 it's too bad AVRCP doesn't include seek commands. that would be handy Aug 08 19:33:09 timeless: I doubt that there are many people still on OS2005, but ... Aug 08 19:33:34 ok, flashing Aug 08 19:33:34 <_Monkey> flashing is headache enough, why make it worse Aug 08 19:33:41 it'll take 2mins Aug 08 19:34:17 * timeless can't make heads or tails out of this stuff Aug 08 19:35:26 flashed.. Aug 08 19:40:37 x-fade: i can't /msg :( Aug 08 19:40:42 Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; ; Linux armv5tejl; U) Opera 8.02 [en] N770/SU-18_0.2.2005.51-1_PR Aug 08 19:42:01 timeless: Hmm strange.. 2006 doesn't mention the exact flash version, but 2007 and 2005 do? Weird.. Aug 08 19:42:50 consistency is a virtue Aug 08 19:42:54 timeless: this is a mistral one: Aug 08 19:42:54 (we're not virtuous) Aug 08 19:42:56 Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; ; Linux armv5tejl; U) Opera 8.02 [en_GB] Maemo browser 0.4.34 N770/SU-18 Aug 08 19:43:32 what kind of streams can the maemo audio player play? Aug 08 19:43:36 is there a good list i can get somewhere? Aug 08 19:43:56 url visited? Aug 08 19:43:58 sparrw - nokia.com? Aug 08 19:44:24 sparrw - i think the various formats are listed in the tech specs for both 770 and n800 Aug 08 19:45:01 X-Fade, do you mean macromedia flash? Aug 08 19:45:16 "flash" usually refers to flash memory Aug 08 19:45:29 to flash is to rewrite the flash memory w/ alternate system software Aug 08 19:45:35 flash is a semi persistent storage Aug 08 19:45:38 timeless, depends on the context Aug 08 19:46:03 erstazi: assuming the context is the one between x-fade and me atm :) Aug 08 19:46:22 timeless, I suppose so (: Aug 08 19:47:36 x-fade: did that log work? Aug 08 19:47:36 howdy jnettlet Aug 08 19:49:03 * timeless tries to figure out how to download all sources from a pool Aug 08 19:50:01 timeless: Yeah, I think I have enough now.. Aug 08 19:53:28 hrm, i broke my emulator Aug 08 19:55:02 is it not fun breaking things? Aug 08 19:56:10 erstazi: when a single newline in a config file means your machine doesn't boot.. Aug 08 19:56:13 it kinda sucks Aug 08 19:56:20 s/config/xml config/ Aug 08 19:58:52 hey erstazi Aug 08 19:58:52 <_Monkey> erstazi is probably noticing some people use vmware Aug 08 20:16:39 _Monkey, forget erstazi Aug 08 20:16:39 <_Monkey> erstazi: I forgot erstazi Aug 08 20:18:36 hi Luria and twogood Aug 08 20:18:59 yo Aug 08 20:28:00 hi dolske Aug 08 20:28:26 * dolske waves Aug 08 20:29:21 Did a new MicroB come out, or am I just slow to update? I checked last night and get a 0.6, but didn't see any mention of it anywhere... Aug 08 20:31:20 x-fade: what was that url? Aug 08 20:31:34 dolske: found out today that it's mentioned in the ITT forum thread Aug 08 20:31:36 _Monkey and APT (apt from #debian on irc.debian.org) remind me of a bood I read. In the book humans had small computers implanted that they could use for many tasks; communications, storage of data, enhanced thought processes (used a lot in the book for chess), etc. Another use was to have an intelegence go out on the network (internet) and find data, perform tasks, etc. Aug 08 20:31:36 <_Monkey> Darksmurf: huh? Aug 08 20:31:42 bood = book Aug 08 20:32:29 Darksmurf: frederik pohl, the age of pussyfoot? Aug 08 20:32:45 disq: ah, I'll have to look again. Aug 08 20:32:57 dolske: i think that's 0.6 tho Aug 08 20:33:03 disq I don't think so. Aug 08 20:33:15 I'm not sure of the name :-( Aug 08 21:23:55 ANYONE AROUND? Aug 08 21:24:06 no Aug 08 21:24:43 lol, do you know of an image converter app for maemo, need to conver .png to .jpg Aug 08 21:37:51 anyone, anyone..... buler Aug 08 21:42:55 someone Aug 08 22:04:01 evening all Aug 08 22:58:17 Does anyone know of a program or mod for the N770 which will allow the screen to stay lit when the charger cable is plugged in? Aug 08 22:58:28 "acmonitor" Aug 08 22:58:38 thanks Aug 08 22:58:45 _Monkey: acmonitor? Aug 08 22:58:45 <_Monkey> wish i knew, disq Aug 08 22:59:29 _Monkey: acmonitor is at http://www.guardiani.us/index.php/N800_custom_packages#acmonitor Aug 08 22:59:30 <_Monkey> OK, disq. Aug 08 22:59:57 hope monkey is saving state between restarts Aug 08 23:15:02 Has anyone here used the 770's mic with Gizmo? Is it possible to use it reasonably well for phone calls? Aug 08 23:27:53 ok, now another horrible inappropriate question. Is anyone aware of any sort of desktop cradle for the N770? Aug 08 23:31:07 oops, hmm, actually acmonitor is kinda useless. You still can only keep the screen lit for a max of 2 minutes Aug 08 23:32:11 * MobileSim was just reading a review criticising that. Aug 08 23:33:57 quux: why 2 minutes max? that's the max amount you have on the 770? Aug 08 23:34:08 disq: yes Aug 08 23:34:40 2 minutes for backlight, 5 minutes to display switchoff, maximum Aug 08 23:34:57 ah, same here in the n800 Aug 08 23:35:16 maybe there's a hack to keep it indefinately (gconf editor?) Aug 08 23:35:28 dunno. Aug 08 23:35:52 hello Aug 08 23:35:53 It's kinda moot without some sort of desktop stand, though. Although I think I could build that Aug 08 23:36:04 i have one simple question Aug 08 23:36:21 i cant seem to find the answer to Aug 08 23:37:04 how exactly do I install Mistral Aug 08 23:37:10 on the 770 ? Aug 08 23:37:10 <_Monkey> somebody said on the 770 was jerky Aug 08 23:38:42 can anyone help me out ? Aug 08 23:39:07 artemisprime: nokia 770 product page should have the firmware updater which will download the latest firmware and flash it to the device Aug 08 23:39:47 i have the latest firmware Aug 08 23:40:12 dont i need to install Mistal in order for gaim to work ? Aug 08 23:40:21 mistral is version 2.0 of the firmware. latest firmware is 2.3 so it's newer, and you don't need mistral Aug 08 23:41:33 i get an error when i try to run gaim Aug 08 23:41:47 or the later version Aug 08 23:41:59 i forget what gaim is now called Aug 08 23:42:09 that's another thing. did you check the ITT forums? what's the error message? the newer gaim is pidgin Aug 08 23:42:09 <_Monkey> pidgin is, like, http://pidgin.garage.maemo.org/ Aug 08 23:42:13 yes Aug 08 23:42:14 ITT? Aug 08 23:42:15 <_Monkey> ITT is http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums Aug 08 23:42:17 thats it Aug 08 23:43:23 i have Aug 08 23:43:41 Version: 3.2006.49-2 Aug 08 23:43:41 <_Monkey> 3.2006.49-2 is probably the last (final) version of OS 2006 so you're up to date Aug 08 23:43:57 so its up to date\ Aug 08 23:44:18 how come i cant run pidgin then Aug 08 23:45:16 Version: 3.2006.49-2 is the firmware version or no ? Aug 08 23:45:26 i would assume so Aug 08 23:49:38 hello Aug 08 23:49:52 i never installed pidgin. how are you trying to install (.deb download/install from garage or install/download directly from the app manager)? does it install but not run, or simply refuse to install? Aug 08 23:50:28 download the .deb from pidgin site Aug 08 23:50:32 4.7 megs Aug 08 23:50:35 isntall Aug 08 23:51:39 then i cant run it Aug 08 23:51:39 you're probably missing a dependency that's not listed in the package's install file. is there a dependencies part in pidgin's site and did you download/install them as well? Aug 08 23:52:08 i thought it was cuz i didnt have mistral at first Aug 08 23:52:16 if you have pidgin installed try running it from the xterm (probably by typing "pidgin" and hitting enter, tho i'm not sure if that's correct) and look for the error message Aug 08 23:52:48 http://pidgin.garage.maemo.org/ Aug 08 23:53:32 how do i get to the xterm' Aug 08 23:53:48 xterm? Aug 08 23:53:48 <_Monkey> rumour has it xterm is the enhanced version of osso-xterm from maemo-hackers. It adds font and color selection support, URL opening through context menu, and a sidebar with additional keys such as Ctrl+letters. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/osso-xterm-advanced Aug 08 23:54:15 yes Aug 08 23:54:29 so it a new OS i need Aug 08 23:55:38 ? Aug 08 23:55:51 you need to get xterm and try running pidgin from there to get the error message. Aug 08 23:56:03 cuz right now Aug 08 23:56:06 it install Aug 08 23:56:07 s Aug 08 23:56:14 and i dont see it in the program list Aug 08 23:56:24 so i need to install xterm Aug 08 23:56:28 first Aug 08 23:56:31 right ? Aug 08 23:56:54 are you sure it installs? Aug 08 23:57:05 well, i can't help you any further, no experience with pidgin. Aug 08 23:57:07 it said it did Aug 09 00:02:13 i installed xterminal Aug 09 00:02:21 and that works Aug 09 00:02:48 but nothing when i type in pidgin from the prompt > Aug 09 00:02:49 ? Aug 09 00:06:06 does anyone know pidgin's path ? Aug 09 00:08:27 anyone gotten pidgin to run on 770 ? Aug 09 00:08:39 i cant seem to find the executable Aug 09 00:08:43 grrr.. Aug 09 00:11:56 where are the applications installed ?? Aug 09 00:12:02 what is the path ? Aug 09 00:15:01 -sh: Pidgin: not found\ Aug 09 00:18:55 it's /usr/bin/pidgin on n800 Aug 09 00:19:41 not really sure if thats what is executed by the entry in Extras though... running /usr/bin/piding did nothing Aug 09 00:20:15 sweet.. just got espeak->gst on the 770 to work, pretty nice Aug 09 00:22:04 artemisprime - it looks like the Extras menu does launch /usr/bin/pidgin but quite why it doesn't work from the command line is not clear to me Aug 09 00:22:48 its not in my extras at all Aug 09 00:22:59 doesn't sound like it's installed Aug 09 00:23:00 thats the problem Aug 09 00:23:11 i run the install file Aug 09 00:23:13 did you install the extra repository for pidgin on 770? Aug 09 00:23:18 and it says it installs Aug 09 00:23:28 i dont think so Aug 09 00:23:41 can u give me a link plz ? Aug 09 00:23:41 pidgin? Aug 09 00:23:41 <_Monkey> pidgin is probably http://pidgin.garage.maemo.org/ Aug 09 00:23:56 but that page doesnt help me Aug 09 00:24:09 its not clear Aug 09 00:24:22 what i need to install for the extra repository Aug 09 00:24:44 it looks like i need to install mistrall which i guess is not the case Aug 09 00:24:57 you need the repository listed in #2 below "Where?" Aug 09 00:25:18 also the repository in #3 (specifying mistral not bora) Aug 09 00:25:30 and finally the repository in #5 Aug 09 00:25:43 #2 is the install file Aug 09 00:25:44 then install pidgin once you've added those threee repositories Aug 09 00:25:47 yes Aug 09 00:25:58 then 3 has nothing to install Aug 09 00:26:00 add all 3 repositories _then_ install the application Aug 09 00:26:04 just a dir listing Aug 09 00:26:06 see ? Aug 09 00:26:18 what's a directory listing? Aug 09 00:26:32 click on the link for 3 Aug 09 00:26:40 its not a download Aug 09 00:27:01 you're viewing the reepository via a browser, that's not how the application manager views the repository Aug 09 00:27:02 artemisprime: you're supposed to add the repository, not click on any links Aug 09 00:27:04 whats the status of java on the N800? Aug 09 00:27:04 Aug 09 00:27:15 wtf Aug 09 00:27:38 ? Aug 09 00:27:45 well it bring me to the index of apt Aug 09 00:27:50 artemisprime: read #1 Aug 09 00:28:38 the app manager will add an additional path to the url you enter... ie. /dists Aug 09 00:29:41 but you don't specify /dists in the path.. it's automatic... don't worry, the pidgin instructions are correct Aug 09 00:30:17 im in the app manager now under new Aug 09 00:30:20 drill into the dists directory on maemo-hackers.org/apt and you'll see the bora directory which is where the app manager will be looking when you install the applications Aug 09 00:30:41 ok so add the 3 repositories as specified on the pidgin page Aug 09 00:30:42 are there any qte or gpe environments for maemo? the memory overhead of X is killing me Aug 09 00:31:14 thats the problem i cant Aug 09 00:31:18 or, same reason, are there any alternate WMs? maybe matchbox or something? Aug 09 00:31:24 i can only install whats in the list Aug 09 00:31:47 sparr: aren't they using matchbox already ? Aug 09 00:31:58 artemis - you're not making sense... what's the problem? Aug 09 00:32:08 how far have you got? Aug 09 00:32:13 shackan: yes, with a very heavy launcher on top of it. i would hope for 'raw' matchbox. Aug 09 00:32:17 "Matchbox window manager is featured as part of the Maemo platform as used on the Nokia 770 and N800." Aug 09 00:32:19 oh Aug 09 00:33:10 maemo-launcher is nice and all... but its overkill imho Aug 09 00:34:24 I don't think I even know what it does, apart from "launching apps" Aug 09 00:34:56 im working under the assumption that it also provides the on screen keyboard Aug 09 00:36:28 is there a list/forum/thread anywhere where people keep up with things that can be safely removed from the system? Aug 09 00:36:51 the default images/audio/video is an obvious choice, but im talking more deep stuff like the defunct visudo binary Aug 09 00:40:35 anyone willing to help me diagnose an rss feed reader bug? you'll need xterm, and an n800 with 4.2007... :) Aug 09 00:40:53 milhouse: 1 for 3, sorry :( Aug 09 00:41:03 hey Aug 09 00:41:06 milhouse Aug 09 00:41:07 <_Monkey> hmmm... milhouse is a bit concerned about how the ui eats cpu cycles all the time :( Aug 09 00:41:14 this is artemisprime Aug 09 00:41:20 sorr bout tha Aug 09 00:41:21 t Aug 09 00:41:21 lol - how true _monkey Aug 09 00:41:34 hello glizitch Aug 09 00:41:52 so where were we Aug 09 00:42:04 i dont know how to specify Aug 09 00:42:06 you were stuck and about to explain in detail where you were stuck Aug 09 00:42:11 yes Aug 09 00:42:27 at the install new apps screen Aug 09 00:42:28 _Monkey: forget milhouse Aug 09 00:42:29 <_Monkey> sparr: I forgot milhouse Aug 09 00:42:33 _Monkey: botsnack Aug 09 00:42:34 <_Monkey> :) Aug 09 00:42:43 nooo..... i liked that quote about me! :) Aug 09 00:42:56 ok, how'd it go with the repository details in item #2 ? Aug 09 00:43:27 in #2 Aug 09 00:43:33 i installed the deb file Aug 09 00:43:58 what deb file in #2? it's a repository Aug 09 00:44:18 did you add the repository to you application catalogue? Aug 09 00:44:19 the 4.7 meg file Aug 09 00:44:36 dude... have you added all 3 repositories succesfully? Aug 09 00:44:47 i guess not Aug 09 00:44:56 i dont think i know how Aug 09 00:45:05 follow the instructions Aug 09 00:45:18 1. Start Application Manager and choose "Tools ? Application catalogue" from the menu Aug 09 00:45:23 hello world Aug 09 00:45:25 i did that Aug 09 00:45:25 2. Click "New". Fill out the dialog that pops up as follows: Aug 09 00:45:34 etc. Aug 09 00:45:36 how do i find out if planet is aggregating my feed? Aug 09 00:45:38 there is no new to click Aug 09 00:45:59 i mean Aug 09 00:46:00 maemo defaults to runlevel 2, yes? Aug 09 00:46:14 all i can do is install "New" apps from the list Aug 09 00:46:27 no dialog box\ Aug 09 00:46:32 glizith - you don't have a button marked "New" when you click on Tools -> Application Catalogue? Aug 09 00:46:37 thats my problem Aug 09 00:46:52 i think you are confusing "applications" with "repositories" Aug 09 00:47:19 i am in the application manager Aug 09 00:47:23 right ? Aug 09 00:47:36 i dont have an application catologue Aug 09 00:47:40 Yes. OK, hhat happens when you click Tools -> Application catalgue... ? Aug 09 00:47:56 application manager ok ? Aug 09 00:48:21 "Tools" being in the menu that appears when you press the application menu button or click in the application title area Aug 09 00:49:48 Anyone else with OS 2006 able to confirm the behaviour of Application Manager, Tools -> Application catalouge...? I'm doing this from memory Aug 09 00:49:58 Application Manager Aug 09 00:49:58 <_Monkey> well, Application Manager is a lot safer than alternatives Aug 09 00:50:14 Application Manager is above control panel Aug 09 00:50:20 under tools Aug 09 00:50:29 Yes Aug 09 00:50:36 has anyone tried parallel init to make maemo boot faster? Aug 09 00:50:39 im there Aug 09 00:50:47 Once you have started Application Manager, we need to access *ANOTHER* menu called Tools Aug 09 00:50:56 Open the application menu for Application Manager Aug 09 00:51:08 do this in one of two ways - press the Menu button, or click in the application title area Aug 09 00:51:32 See a menu appear at the top of the screen with options Application, View, Tools, Close Aug 09 00:51:39 argh Aug 09 00:51:52 has he gone? Aug 09 00:52:03 ok Aug 09 00:52:13 cool, see the Tools option in the menu? Aug 09 00:52:14 i have 3 optionbs Aug 09 00:52:18 no Aug 09 00:52:27 what's in your menu? Aug 09 00:52:37 i can install new applications Aug 09 00:52:43 check for updates Aug 09 00:52:53 or show installed apps\ Aug 09 00:53:02 um.... press the freaking MENU button!!!! Aug 09 00:53:03 :) Aug 09 00:53:09 they're buttons Aug 09 00:53:46 holy shit Aug 09 00:53:49 im lame Aug 09 00:53:50 sorry Aug 09 00:53:56 i got it now Aug 09 00:53:59 np - but i want to strangle you ;) Aug 09 00:54:30 so now just type in the web address Aug 09 00:54:40 http://idefix.go-nix.ca/nix/pidgin-dist Aug 09 00:54:40 yes Aug 09 00:54:43 like that Aug 09 00:54:45 yep Aug 09 00:54:54 brilliant Aug 09 00:54:55 :) Aug 09 00:55:06 use mistral for Distribution in steps 3 and 5 Aug 09 00:55:15 sorry i just got this thing Aug 09 00:55:19 the other day Aug 09 00:55:20 you probably don't need to complete step 4 unless you want bonjour support Aug 09 00:55:26 nah Aug 09 00:55:33 no bonjour Aug 09 00:55:38 glizitch: no problem, we all have to learn sometime :) Aug 09 00:55:49 thanx for the help Aug 09 00:55:59 ill let ya know how it goes Aug 09 00:56:04 did you say you had tried to install pidgin previously? Aug 09 00:56:05 if ya wanna stick around Aug 09 00:56:13 i'll be around for another half hour or so Aug 09 00:56:17 yes i installed the 4.7 M file Aug 09 00:56:39 ill uninstall it Aug 09 00:56:50 ok, you might want to uninstall it if you can find it listed in "Show Installed applications" Aug 09 01:00:57 like Aug 09 01:01:19 #3 http://maemo-hackers.org/apt is that all i need ? Aug 09 01:01:38 enter that url in the Web Address Aug 09 01:01:43 mistral in Distribution Aug 09 01:01:46 and Aug 09 01:01:50 main in Components Aug 09 01:02:09 wait dont i need to add that in that catalog Aug 09 01:02:37 yes, fill in the fields Aug 09 01:03:03 would some kind soul try to access http://magao-test.buzznet.com (password is "intento", without quotes of course) Aug 09 01:03:12 Web Address = http://maemo-hackers.org/apt Aug 09 01:03:12 Distribution = mistral Aug 09 01:03:12 Comnponents = main Aug 09 01:03:31 btw you'll often see it expressed as http://maemo-hackers.org/apt mistral main - you should be able to work out what goes where Aug 09 01:04:00 gomiam - having a go now Aug 09 01:04:09 thanks milhouse Aug 09 01:04:30 won't accept the password, redirected me back to the password prompt Aug 09 01:04:48 ok, so it's not just me Aug 09 01:05:00 I was running out of hair to pull as it is Aug 09 01:05:01 :-D Aug 09 01:05:02 doesn't like me - won't let me in (firefox 2.0.0.5) Aug 09 01:05:16 it doesn't seem to be a Firefox only problem Aug 09 01:05:28 I've had problems with IE6 and Opera too Aug 09 01:05:32 sorry i've been distracted by Miss E now... Aug 09 01:05:37 no prob Aug 09 01:05:44 thanks for trying Aug 09 01:05:44 :) Aug 09 01:06:23 glizitch - how's it going? Aug 09 01:08:39 woohoo Aug 09 01:08:49 this sounds promising Aug 09 01:09:00 its installing Aug 09 01:09:04 fo real this time Aug 09 01:09:16 so all 3 repositories added ok? Aug 09 01:09:20 i think so Aug 09 01:09:23 smashing Aug 09 01:09:25 :) Aug 09 01:09:28 as far as i can tell Aug 09 01:09:41 this page make much more sense now Aug 09 01:09:47 silly me Aug 09 01:10:00 i was trying to "upgrade" to mistral Aug 09 01:10:02 earlier Aug 09 01:10:10 now i see why that is funny Aug 09 01:11:50 once you've installed the main application you need to install your protocols depending on which instant messenger service you want to use Aug 09 01:12:08 also install the smilies and sounds :) Aug 09 01:12:31 has anyone used initng on maemo? Aug 09 01:12:43 smilies == pidgin-emotes-default, sounds == pidgin-sounds Aug 09 01:13:17 i want to use aim Aug 09 01:13:30 but i i am having an error Aug 09 01:13:45 resolving login.oscar.aol.com Aug 09 01:14:02 nm Aug 09 01:14:08 im not connected Aug 09 01:14:14 my bad Aug 09 01:14:33 hehe Aug 09 01:14:40 deleting the locale file... Aug 09 01:14:41 not a great idea Aug 09 01:14:43 very humorous Aug 09 01:14:45 but not great Aug 09 01:17:20 * timeless frowns Aug 09 01:17:31 can someone please explain what sort of atom feed uris people use? Aug 09 01:18:26 sometimes i feel i'm the only person in the world without a personal blog... Aug 09 01:18:51 milhouse, don't worry, I don't blog either Aug 09 01:18:56 :D Aug 09 01:19:10 at least i'm not alone :) Aug 09 01:19:54 ugh I hate air conditioning Aug 09 01:19:59 anyone with an n800 able to spare me 5 minutes before i blow away a reproducible bug scenario? Aug 09 01:19:59 hi saerdnaer Aug 09 01:20:10 seeing as nobody at nokia seems to give a stuff Aug 09 01:20:17 milhouse, I should just buy a n800 to help you haha Aug 09 01:20:24 hi Aug 09 01:20:25 i'd pay you! ;) Aug 09 01:20:33 milhouse, on it! Aug 09 01:20:44 ha :) Aug 09 01:20:51 * erstazi thinks wife would kill me Aug 09 01:21:49 where's pupnik when i need him? :( Aug 09 01:22:55 awesome Aug 09 01:22:59 its workin Aug 09 01:23:09 excellent :) Aug 09 01:23:10 im on aim Aug 09 01:23:22 im trying to get in here on irc next Aug 09 01:23:23 hehe Aug 09 01:24:00 you'll be glad to hear that's one of the more complicated setups... most applications don't need any additional repositories or can be installed using the one-click install method (which automatically adds the repository to your application catalogue) Aug 09 01:24:30 is there some stuff i can read Aug 09 01:24:38 about repositories Aug 09 01:24:41 and stuf Aug 09 01:24:42 f Aug 09 01:24:47 this is all new to me Aug 09 01:25:06 i don't have any specific links but you could try the wiki on maemo.org Aug 09 01:25:20 http://maemo.org/community/wiki Aug 09 01:26:01 cool Aug 09 01:26:14 not sure if anyone else has any more relevant links Aug 09 01:26:50 Anyone willing to spend a couple of minutes helping me to verify a scratchbox setup? I already ask in #scratchbox but everyone is idle Aug 09 01:27:17 don't have scratchbox sorry :( Aug 09 01:28:23 only one more problem Aug 09 01:28:25 saaib, I can help Aug 09 01:28:29 i cant seem to enter text Aug 09 01:28:30 glizitch, I can also help you Aug 09 01:28:40 glizitch, enter text in what? Aug 09 01:28:41 in pidgin Aug 09 01:28:51 glizitch: hmmm Aug 09 01:28:52 oh, hmm I don't use pidgin, I just use gaim Aug 09 01:29:13 glizitch, did you install the protocols that you wanted? Aug 09 01:29:17 yes Aug 09 01:29:23 its running Aug 09 01:29:27 I am not sure then Aug 09 01:29:28 and connected Aug 09 01:29:29 and you've logged into AIM? Aug 09 01:29:31 yes Aug 09 01:30:02 saaib, what is your question? Aug 09 01:32:59 glizitch: are you able to type on other protocols? Aug 09 01:33:28 nope Aug 09 01:33:32 mmm... Aug 09 01:33:35 hmm Aug 09 01:33:47 i cant seem to connect to chat.freenode.net Aug 09 01:33:48 glizith - i just installed aim... do you have an example chat room i can test with? Aug 09 01:33:48 that's strange. I've tested pidgin on the N800 and it worked Aug 09 01:33:51 glizitch, what OS do you have? Aug 09 01:33:58 glizitch, its irc.freenode.net Aug 09 01:34:03 glizith - use chat.eu.freenode.net Aug 09 01:34:07 i am annoyed that 4MB of my base image is eaten by locales i will never use Aug 09 01:34:11 or wot erstazi said :) Aug 09 01:34:26 milhouse: i am on aim now Aug 09 01:34:31 * milhouse assumes glizith is in europe which may not be the case at all... Aug 09 01:34:33 i am rtmcarthur Aug 09 01:34:37 is anyone here equipped to generate new locale files? id love to have one with just en_US in it Aug 09 01:34:41 let me try chatting you Aug 09 01:34:41 i am in the US Aug 09 01:34:47 go ahead Aug 09 01:35:27 milhouse: are u sending an IM ? Aug 09 01:36:15 yes, just chatted you Aug 09 01:36:29 i see it Aug 09 01:36:31 my username is UBSSuck (erm... a little investment bank i once worked for...) Aug 09 01:36:34 but i cant respond Aug 09 01:36:44 you are typing text in the bottom window? Aug 09 01:36:58 the text box doesnt appear Aug 09 01:37:04 like it usually does Aug 09 01:37:21 do you see Font / Reset font / Insert ? Aug 09 01:37:54 i take it from that AIM chat I just received you found it :) Aug 09 01:38:01 glizitch: drop the virtual keyboard down Aug 09 01:38:07 resize the type box Aug 09 01:38:11 and click in it again Aug 09 01:38:16 it was squished Aug 09 01:38:20 i could see it Aug 09 01:38:22 it's too big at the beginning Aug 09 01:38:32 so weird things like that happen Aug 09 01:38:55 you may want to set full-screen too Aug 09 01:40:49 i addes u to my buddy list Aug 09 01:40:56 thanx for all the help Aug 09 01:40:58 As you can see from this test, it is possible to use Pidgin on #maemo through the N800 :) Aug 09 01:41:27 now I only need to make the default font size smaller :-D Aug 09 01:42:50 im trying the 770 right now Aug 09 01:42:51 gomiam: that's pretty straightforward, but be aware the font change only affects new conversations (so existing chat/conversation windows will still show the old font) Aug 09 01:42:58 built-in locale data is taking up 6MB of my base image. locale data for installed software is eating another 11MB Aug 09 01:43:00 this is unacceptable Aug 09 01:43:16 i dont want or need chinese translations of the text on my clock Aug 09 01:45:04 my SonyEricsson phone prompts me for the language i want to use when you install new firmware, then it spends the next few minutes deleting all the locals from memory i don't need. i thought that was quite cool, and something nokia could do for the tablets (perhaps with the option to retain all language locals) Aug 09 01:45:17 milhouse: i concur Aug 09 01:45:27 * shackan too Aug 09 01:45:38 obviously i need all the timezones, but other languages can be got shot of Aug 09 01:45:56 i only speak english, and even that only barely. Aug 09 01:46:05 glizitch: if you are still there Aug 09 01:46:19 freeciv installs over 4MB of locale data Aug 09 01:46:22 translations and such Aug 09 01:46:27 maybe file a bug/enhancement Aug 09 01:46:28 you may want to change the conversation boxes' text font to BitStream Vera 9 Aug 09 01:46:38 where are the translation/language files stored on a stock n800/770? Aug 09 01:46:55 this irc client sucks Aug 09 01:46:58 and use the Gtk extensions plugin to do the same for the message text box (where you tipe your texts) Aug 09 01:47:10 it says it doesn't know the /server cmd Aug 09 01:47:19 unknown command Aug 09 01:47:51 Maybe a locale blaster app could be developed. Aug 09 01:47:58 ok so now i know what the /server command does... Aug 09 01:48:11 hehe Aug 09 01:48:17 yeah Aug 09 01:48:19 I've seen such things on a Mac, anyway. Aug 09 01:48:26 if someone can point me in the direction of the language/translation files i'll see about filing an RFE in maemo bugzilla Aug 09 01:48:27 milhouse: the base base stuff is /usr/lib/locale/ Aug 09 01:48:27 but pidgin doesnt Aug 09 01:48:28 <_Monkey> Hmm. No matches for that, sparr. Aug 09 01:48:39 milhouse: package-owned stuff is /usr/share/locale (including some base packages) Aug 09 01:48:41 sparr: thanks Aug 09 01:49:21 4.1M for /usr/lib/locale on a N800 Aug 09 01:49:59 yeah Aug 09 01:50:04 Ok, now everything seems to be a bit better. I only need to make smaller pictures:) Aug 09 01:50:04 about the same for 770 Aug 09 01:50:05 9.2M for /user/share/local on my N800 (about 6-7 apps installed) Aug 09 01:50:10 Is there any known attempt (running or finished) to Tangofy Maemo? Aug 09 01:50:23 the one in /usr/lib/locale is from posix-locales, and my ubuntu desktop locale apps cant read it Aug 09 01:50:29 MobileSim: boooooooo tango Aug 09 01:50:46 < erstazi> guardian, I am not sure if they have nxserver for ARM arch and debian << i have talked to a guy who was porting this to a commercial ARM project Aug 09 01:50:53 the stuff in /usr/share/locale is package-specific, you can search around. not sure how big it is with a fresh install, probably 2-3MB Aug 09 01:50:55 bear in mind though Aug 09 01:51:02 that your internal flash is compressed Aug 09 01:51:03 MobileSim: that said... no. feel free to make your own. Aug 09 01:51:12 pupnik, ?? Aug 09 01:51:13 <_Monkey> well, pupnik, is there a nice tutorial for packaing for the N800 Aug 09 01:51:16 so 9.2M isn't necessarily how much space these locales take up Aug 09 01:51:20 pupnik, I typed that Aug 09 01:51:22 in terms of jffs2 space Aug 09 01:51:23 milhouse: ive got plenty of other easily compressed data that could take up that [little] space Aug 09 01:51:24 Oh, glizitch, if you don't care much for smilies and text fonting, remove the format bar too :D Aug 09 01:51:25 but who asked? Aug 09 01:51:55 MobileSim: tango doesnt scale down well enough, imho. very pretty for high resolution vector desktops. not so hot when i need 8x8 icons. Aug 09 01:51:56 gomiam: i just want to use irc Aug 09 01:52:06 how come it doesnt know any commands Aug 09 01:52:07 sparr - how much _real_ flash memory space are these language files consuming, considering text generally compresses quite well Aug 09 01:52:14 like /join #maemo Aug 09 01:52:16 MobileSim: the default maemo-launcher control panel and such could maybe use tango icons, but not the WM and ui stuff Aug 09 01:52:30 milhouse: the first one, 4MB, is compressed, so thats really 4MB Aug 09 01:52:33 glizitch, why don't you install xchat? Aug 09 01:52:52 milhouse: the text in /usr/share/locale probably compresses at least 10:1, so that 9MB is 1MB or less :) Aug 09 01:52:59 glizitch, in individual channels or pm's with only pidgin, you can't input commands Aug 09 01:53:05 I'm typing this from my N800 (thus my nick is gomiam2 Aug 09 01:53:07 there might be a setting to allow it Aug 09 01:53:21 but i cant connect Aug 09 01:53:35 glizitch: are you unable to connect to freenode? Aug 09 01:53:49 let me check my account settings and I'll relay them to you Aug 09 01:53:52 i guess i just cant join the channel Aug 09 01:53:59 i just tar'd /usr/lib/locale to /media/mmc2 and the uncompressed tar consumed 4.1Mb... compressing it now Aug 09 01:54:16 you can by typing /join #maemo on the freenode-connect CTCP window, for example Aug 09 01:54:28 sparr: slow going... Aug 09 01:54:28 you can add it as a chat on the main Pidgin window too Aug 09 01:55:18 ok, here's my freenode connection data for Pidgin Aug 09 01:55:35 erstazi, I downloaded and installer scratchbox, compiled the hello.c and hello.cc examples, but the hello-world-gtk example won't compile due to unable to find glib and gtk. This libs should come with scratchbox or I need to manually add them? Aug 09 01:55:50 Protocol: IRC (of course), Server: irc.freenode.net, Screen name: gomiam2 Aug 09 01:56:08 milhouse: localepurge is a debian package... it has no binary, just scripts. it deletes unwanted locales after every dpkg operation. very Not-Debian-Way, but it could work... Aug 09 01:56:29 (I'm typing this from my computer so I can do it faster) Aug 09 01:56:33 could work, but the benefit might be relatively small ? Aug 09 01:56:39 (still compressing the tar btw) Aug 09 01:56:56 saaib, did you make sure you grabbed all the devkits required? Aug 09 01:57:17 saaib, I am learning scratchbox myself Aug 09 01:57:21 before/after Aug 09 01:57:24 but thats the first thing I thought of Aug 09 01:57:27 i dont think /usr/lib/locale/ is going to compress much. its only one file (and a bunch of empty folders), and i thought it was already compressed Aug 09 01:57:34 -rw-r--r-- 1 user root 4278784 Aug 9 02:51 local.tar Aug 09 01:57:34 -rw-r--r-- 1 user root 852158 Aug 9 02:55 local.tar.gz Aug 09 01:57:36 its /usr/share/locale/* that will compress a lot Aug 09 01:57:42 ok, it's late enough. I'm going to get some sleep Aug 09 01:57:43 have fun Aug 09 01:58:03 ok, my bad on the precompressed notion... still, almost a meg, and thats assuming the filesystem compression is as good as hard-core gz, which it isnt Aug 09 01:58:21 milhouse: u see that ? Aug 09 01:58:22 erstazi, core, libs, devkit-cputrans, devkit-doctools, devkit-perl, toolchain-cs2005q3.2-glibc-arm and toolchain-cs2005q3.2-glibc-i386 Aug 09 01:58:37 sparr - indeed, it's probably a little less efficient but should still achieve a decent level of compression Aug 09 01:58:39 devkit-debian Aug 09 01:58:58 erstazi, do I need devkit-debian? (even if I'm not running debian?) Aug 09 01:59:04 glizitch - what did i miss? Aug 09 01:59:07 saaib, you are running debian Aug 09 01:59:14 did u get a msg Aug 09 01:59:19 saaib, both 770's and n800's run a debian-based distro Aug 09 01:59:21 from artemisprime ? Aug 09 01:59:23 saaib: yes, all of them (scratchbox is a debian system) Aug 09 01:59:26 erstazi, well technically, I guess :) Aug 09 01:59:27 in pidgin? no i logged out Aug 09 01:59:30 for the ARM architecture Aug 09 01:59:40 no on irc? Aug 09 01:59:43 I didn't downloaded the devkit-debian, let me install it Aug 09 01:59:45 saaib, I had those problems myself but I worked them out Aug 09 01:59:52 nothing received on irc Aug 09 02:00:01 im connected Aug 09 02:00:05 saaib, make sure you select that devkit when you login to scratchbox Aug 09 02:00:09 erstazi, besides that the tutorial only has a reference for the core, libs and toolchains tgz files Aug 09 02:00:09 but i cant join #maemo Aug 09 02:00:09 glizitch: to irc.freenode.net? Aug 09 02:00:13 yes Aug 09 02:00:21 do a Aug 09 02:00:22 did a freenode-connect window open? Aug 09 02:00:37 yes indeed do a /whois artemisprime Aug 09 02:00:41 im connected Aug 09 02:00:46 type /whois artemisprime Aug 09 02:00:47 how do i join a channel Aug 09 02:00:48 milhouse: so, still, its a meg wasted from our 64(?) meg base. well, 128 for you with n800 Aug 09 02:00:49 XD Aug 09 02:00:54 /join #maemo Aug 09 02:00:57 type that Aug 09 02:01:11 it will say unknown command Aug 09 02:01:15 nope Aug 09 02:01:18 I just tried it Aug 09 02:01:24 on pidgin Aug 09 02:01:38 oh, to join #maemo is a bit of a pain... in the Buddy List window open the Buddies menu then select Join a Chat and enter #maemo as the Channel with your IRC account listed... leave password blank. Click Join. Aug 09 02:01:40 I've been connected for several minutes, from Pidgin on my N800 Aug 09 02:01:55 milhouse: or you can add a Chat and get done with it Aug 09 02:02:12 but /join #maemo works, as the text I wrote as gomiam2 proves Aug 09 02:02:42 i couldn't get /join to work either Aug 09 02:02:46 grr Aug 09 02:02:49 thank you Aug 09 02:02:49 erstazi, so I downloaded and untar'ed the devkit-debian, once i log into scratchbox there is no target, running sb-menu shows no target, should I create a new one? Aug 09 02:02:50 well, then I'm lucky Aug 09 02:02:56 milhouse Aug 09 02:02:59 one little detail Aug 09 02:02:59 localepurge requires some packages we dont have for maemo Aug 09 02:03:04 type /join no /Join Aug 09 02:03:10 sparr: i agree it's taking up space you might need, have you run out of your 64MB? I never managed this in 12 months of owning a 770 Aug 09 02:03:14 unfortunately pidgin seems to be picky about that Aug 09 02:03:21 saaib, what OS are you on? Aug 09 02:03:34 Linux FC 6 Aug 09 02:03:51 /Join isn't understood by pidgin Aug 09 02:03:55 saaib, ah, ok I like RHEL based (: Aug 09 02:03:57 while /join i Aug 09 02:03:59 s Aug 09 02:04:11 milhouse: im going to run out really fast if i keep going... im down to 20MB free and ive put off installing a lot of things Aug 09 02:04:20 saaib, did you look in the extracted directory? does it have a configure? Aug 09 02:04:27 glizitch: I sent a private message to artemisprime. Did it get there? Aug 09 02:04:29 gomiam is right... "/join #maemo" does work :) Aug 09 02:04:40 enter it into the freenode-connect channel... Aug 09 02:04:45 erstazi, yes Aug 09 02:04:49 erstazi, checking for gtk+-2.0 >= 2.2 glib-2.0 >= 2.2... Package gtk+-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path. Perhaps you should add the directory containing `gtk+-2.0.pc' Aug 09 02:04:55 XD Aug 09 02:05:03 hmm Aug 09 02:05:19 milhouse: yeah, it's a nag that Pidgin is so picky about letter size Aug 09 02:05:19 Holy hit Aug 09 02:05:25 this is while running the autogen.sh script Aug 09 02:05:27 congratulations Artemisprime Aug 09 02:05:28 saaib, I didn't have this problem, I had other problems that I had to get pass, I think you need to grab the rootstrap Aug 09 02:05:31 It worked Aug 09 02:05:41 it was Aug 09 02:05:44 you should be able to talk privately to people with /query username Aug 09 02:05:49 the case sensitive Aug 09 02:05:56 what a pain Aug 09 02:06:03 glizitch: so true Aug 09 02:06:07 sparr... i guess that's probably a situation you may have to resolve by yourself... the chances of nokia implementing the language deletion trick is probably unlikely Aug 09 02:06:21 milhouse: well, im working on getting localepurge to work Aug 09 02:06:27 gomiam: it rather annoying cuz it automatically caps the first letter of a word Aug 09 02:06:30 saaib, hmm Aug 09 02:06:37 even after the forward slash Aug 09 02:06:38 saaib, try installing them Aug 09 02:06:40 then again, glizitch, if it's a channel you are going to visit frequently you are much better off adding a chat in your buddy list Aug 09 02:06:45 milhouse: lol... one of localepurge's dependencies is 10MB :) Aug 09 02:06:46 while it would be a good idea to delete them, the chances of people running out of space in normal circumstances are quite low (otherwise people would be complaining and they're not) Aug 09 02:06:48 glizitch: I know, I know. Aug 09 02:06:49 saaib, did you install Maemo_Dev_Platform_v2.2_armel-rootstrap.tgz? Aug 09 02:06:56 sparr: haha... duh Aug 09 02:07:03 saaib, wait, you have a 770 right? Aug 09 02:07:30 milhouse: but... localepurge MIGHT delete most of that 10MB :) Aug 09 02:07:33 and with the n800 increasing the amount of free space the problem is even less likely to be an issue going forward Aug 09 02:07:33 glizitch: if you wish, we can check Skype or Gizmo too :-D Aug 09 02:07:35 erstazi, not yet, it'll arrive on friday Aug 09 02:07:51 sparr: one would hope it will clean up after itself! Aug 09 02:07:53 i dont use them Aug 09 02:08:15 milhouse: localepurge depends on locales to get the list of locales... but locales provides plenty of locale data of its own. fun fun Aug 09 02:08:25 erstazi, I haven't installed any rootstrap yet, just verifying the scratchbox setup Aug 09 02:08:30 anyway. Time to go to sleep once and for all Aug 09 02:08:31 saaib, ah Aug 09 02:08:32 good night Aug 09 02:08:50 won't a small shell script do the trick? Aug 09 02:08:54 saaib, if you are trying to build and port for the arm arch, you need that root strap because its for the770 for say Aug 09 02:08:57 cya gomiam Aug 09 02:08:58 erstazi, but, since the gtk example is there I would imagine the scratchbox content should be able to compile it Aug 09 02:09:07 yeah Aug 09 02:09:10 I am not sure about that part Aug 09 02:09:21 I usually just follow the instructions it throws back at me Aug 09 02:09:25 milhouse u see that ? Aug 09 02:09:36 no Aug 09 02:09:47 are you trying to private chat me Aug 09 02:09:47 damn Aug 09 02:09:48 ? Aug 09 02:09:50 yes Aug 09 02:09:55 erstazi, that will be to install glib and gtk, which i guess then are included in the rootstrap? Aug 09 02:09:59 i just said thanx Aug 09 02:10:02 thats all Aug 09 02:10:06 i think it's a freenode setting to prevent spam Aug 09 02:10:13 i was wondering if u could see it Aug 09 02:10:15 oh Aug 09 02:10:24 saaib, well when I got that, I was able to do what I needed Aug 09 02:10:26 it worked for me Aug 09 02:10:44 saaib, normally you can just do: apt-get install applicationname Aug 09 02:11:37 hmmm maybe not, i've just tested with another irc nickname (not authenticated) and i could chat milhouse with that other nick Aug 09 02:11:45 so i'm private chattable :) Aug 09 02:11:59 let private chat you Aug 09 02:12:09 erstazi, can you tell me what devkits do you have in your current Target setup? Aug 09 02:12:17 i tried from the PC client too Aug 09 02:12:18 saaib, let me check Aug 09 02:12:19 no dice Aug 09 02:12:35 just chatted glizitch Aug 09 02:12:39 anything? Aug 09 02:13:01 saaib, make sure your compiler is cs2005q3.2-glibc-arm Aug 09 02:13:09 erstazi, i got that Aug 09 02:14:31 yes i chatted back ? Aug 09 02:14:37 i mean i did Aug 09 02:14:40 did u see it ? Aug 09 02:14:44 odd, not getting your replies Aug 09 02:14:48 so you saw my two chats? Aug 09 02:14:49 weird Aug 09 02:14:53 yes indeed Aug 09 02:14:56 on my pc Aug 09 02:15:02 most odd... Aug 09 02:15:02 saaib, cputransp, debian-etch, debian-lenny, debian-sarge, doctools, maemo3-debian, maemo3-tools, perl Aug 09 02:15:07 artemisprime is logged off Aug 09 02:15:07 sorry phone call Aug 09 02:15:10 oh well Aug 09 02:15:14 dont worry about it Aug 09 02:15:14 try chatting _monkey Aug 09 02:15:18 all it working Aug 09 02:15:28 is working i mena Aug 09 02:15:29 mean Aug 09 02:16:11 milhouse: never used dpkg --force so many times in one day :) Aug 09 02:16:12 erstazi, I have all those except the debian-etch and debian-lenny Aug 09 02:16:32 sparr... eugh, that doesn't sound good! :) Aug 09 02:16:47 erstazi, in top of that Target setup you extracted the Maemo_Dev_Platform_v2.2_armel-rootstrap.tgz? Aug 09 02:17:31 saaib, in your scratchbox find packages and put that tar there Aug 09 02:17:33 and then Aug 09 02:17:33 I --force'd a package to install despite broken dependencies. How can I tell apt to ignore those broken dependencies as I do other things? Aug 09 02:17:44 when you go to select a rootstrap you can select that as the rootstrap Aug 09 02:18:54 erstazi, ok, unpacking rootstrap now Aug 09 02:19:04 am not really an expect on apt or dpkg and fortunately haven't gotten in that kind of situation recently Aug 09 02:19:11 s/expect/expert/ Aug 09 02:19:11 milhouse meant: am not really an expert on apt or dpkg and fortunately haven't gotten in that kind of situation recently Aug 09 02:22:51 damnit Aug 09 02:23:10 i wish the busybox package "provides" instead of "conflicts" with coreutils and debianutils Aug 09 02:23:17 would make it easier to install non-maemo packages Aug 09 02:24:21 erstazi, woho! no more glib/gtk errors :) Aug 09 02:24:45 saaib, yeah the rootstrap helped me haha Aug 09 02:24:59 saaib, are you familiar with the debian way of things? (: Aug 09 02:25:13 erstazi, yes Aug 09 02:25:19 saaib, when I first started to mess with debian, I was confused... sudo what? each command? what? Aug 09 02:25:37 I still catch myself just typing su Aug 09 02:25:50 but I only go as root when I need to be Aug 09 02:26:03 erstazi, hehe, you might end up changind the uid of the user ! :P LOL Aug 09 02:26:25 saaib, yeah Aug 09 02:26:38 saaib, thats not an issue though Aug 09 02:27:08 erstazi, that's a standar system config if you want to use sudoers file Aug 09 02:27:27 but there are some crazy combinations people use to become root: sudo -s, sudo -i, sudo su, etc Aug 09 02:31:38 erstazi, the tutorial includes that Xephyr is part of the rootstrap, but I can't find it anywere, did you do anything else? Aug 09 02:32:19 ok, ive now got two packages installed that dpkg doesnt know about Aug 09 02:32:21 i can live with that Aug 09 02:32:27 the ends justify the means :) Aug 09 02:33:11 saaib, I heard a lot about Xephyr and I could not find it Aug 09 02:33:23 pupnik, did you know where Xephyr is? Aug 09 02:36:08 _monkey, xephyr? Aug 09 02:36:09 <_Monkey> xephyr is basically the X server Aug 09 02:37:15 ah! found it Aug 09 02:37:20 # tar -ztvf Maemo_Dev_Platform_v2.2_i386-rootstrap.tgz | grep Xephyr Aug 09 02:37:20 -rwxr-xr-x root/root 775356 2006-09-25 03:06:52 ./usr/bin/Xephyr Aug 09 02:38:19 nxclient would be great on the 770 Aug 09 02:38:30 pupnik, ah yes Aug 09 02:38:38 aha... pupnik! Aug 09 02:38:47 ? Aug 09 02:38:52 can you do me a favour? Aug 09 02:38:55 pupnik, I have used vncviewer and its not bad Aug 09 02:39:04 also I have vnc'ed to the 770 Aug 09 02:39:04 yeah vncviewer is good i agree Aug 09 02:39:11 the input for using your pc is flaky Aug 09 02:39:13 i want to confirm a bug on an n800/4.2007 Aug 09 02:39:14 milhouse: probably Aug 09 02:39:16 I use vncviewer (tightvnc) all days in work... Aug 09 02:39:23 in xterm-advanced, it works but in other apps Aug 09 02:39:25 pupnik: you have an n800? Aug 09 02:39:28 saaib, same here, its part of my job Aug 09 02:39:31 no Aug 09 02:39:35 oh ffs! ;) Aug 09 02:39:51 milhouse, pupnik and I do not like the new ways, the old ways with us! Aug 09 02:39:52 haha Aug 09 02:39:52 i'm surrounded by 770 owners! Aug 09 02:40:02 milhouse, screw you and your two SD cards Aug 09 02:40:04 slots Aug 09 02:40:07 i have an n800 but not handy :P Aug 09 02:40:15 s/SD cards/SD slots Aug 09 02:40:16 and my lush camera *cough* Aug 09 02:40:20 pfft Aug 09 02:40:35 erstazi, I use synergy, vnc and rdesktop for all my connectivity solution Aug 09 02:41:24 milhouse: i got localepurge working. 10MB freed (probably about 1MB compressed) Aug 09 02:41:47 milhouse: further investigation tells me nokia might be willing to use this... they have docpurge on the built in image, that deletes man pages and such Aug 09 02:42:03 was that purging both local locations? Aug 09 02:42:04 saaib, same here Aug 09 02:42:12 or just /usr/share/local ? Aug 09 02:42:18 just share Aug 09 02:42:21 the other one cant be purged Aug 09 02:42:24 I sadly have to connect to window NT terminal servers Aug 09 02:42:29 sparr: oh really? Aug 09 02:42:34 sparr: that's a bummer Aug 09 02:42:37 then vnc again to the computer I am working on Aug 09 02:42:37 the one in /usr/lib/locale is a single binary file, i cant find any compatible tools to take it apart Aug 09 02:42:52 although it would probably only free just over 1MB in terms of filesystem space Aug 09 02:42:53 sparr, a sledge hammer works (: Aug 09 02:43:14 sparr: uh ok, that would explain the odd du -h readings i saw but didn't investigate Aug 09 02:43:37 any dev working on vid conf support 4 n800 with pcs? Aug 09 02:43:55 1MB is plenty Aug 09 02:43:59 1-2% Aug 09 02:44:00 sparr: er yes... all the locals are empty and the entire 4.1Mb is in the file locale-archive Aug 09 02:44:12 erstazi, I feel your pain (TS) Aug 09 02:44:31 sometimes, I hate security haha Aug 09 02:44:36 i believe that 10MB freed up about 2MB of real space Aug 09 02:44:40 if df is to be believed Aug 09 02:44:47 but remote desktoping from home is a life saver Aug 09 02:44:54 instead of driving 3 hours through crap Aug 09 02:45:00 well worth it, in the long run... will keep saving space as I install new packages Aug 09 02:45:19 down side is that i added 1-2 seconds onto every package install. still worth it. Aug 09 02:45:32 well you only do the install once Aug 09 02:45:43 precisely **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Aug 09 02:59:57 2007